No idea why all people blame the plane for an obvious technical problem with the motors. It flies beautiful for me, just don't get too slow. 50km/h is definitely not too slow.
Hi, I have seen some of your long range videos with the binary. Could I ask if you ever managed to increase your range with the dji fpv system ? Did you manage to get beyond 6.8km?
@@beefybeef1326 Its a long time since your comment, but if you still need some tips - I managed to get 13 km where I hit the hard limit of the controller and it dropped from full signal strength to dead. Here is my parts list: DJI Ait Unit with Caddx Polar camera. * FCC + 1200mW * 2x TBS TRIUMPH PRO (SMA) - LONG RANGE - LHCP * 2x TBS Unify Pro 5G8 SMA Pigtail (MMCX) * 2x MMCX Cable M/F (10cm) DJI FPV Goggles v2: * FCC + 1200mW * Crytal HD patch antenna attached to bottom 2 ports * Crystal HD stubbies on top DJI FPV Controller: * Stock antennas
I have spent a few hours flying with differential thrust on my binary with full a manual receiver. That crash was definitely caused by a thrust imbalance. In hindsight, the only way to save it was to cut the power and glide for an emergency landing. Looking forward to the Drift review!
Hi I was just watching your lithium ion battery build so have I got this right 4s 6p pack will be able to deliver 60amps continuously 6p x 10 apps = 60a with 4 cells wired together to make to make a 4s 6p pack ? Thanks
I am having similar issue with Reptile Dragon V2 with F765 running Ardupilot. After some trouble shooting I am suspecting hardware issue more related to Pwm signal.
My mate's Binary flies quite well. After the first tip stall crash, he extended the wing area by 15%, and the rudder and elevators by a good bit more than that. The work was to improve glide as well - it hardly glides at all in stock with a large battery. Just looking at it, the proportions don't seem right.
Yup... apparently there is some merit to that... though not sure if I will find the motivation to extend anything... right now debating if even going to fix it up... I hate repairing squashed foam!!!
Yeah, antennas also work upside down and if you manage to get it below the plane you won't have many issues with the plane obstructing the view to the ground under certain orientations.
Would this be ok as a first wing? I have a DJI Air unit spare. How likely is a crash like this if I take it easy to try to keep it level and only turn gently?
@@ArxangelRC Oh ok thanks. What would you consider beginner? I have been recommended an x8 or other Bixler type craft by a few others. Apparently they should take an Air unit just fine for FPV.
Bixler might be OK.. X8... if we are talking about the wing... no idea, have no clue how that thing flies, so cannot say! I know the Volantex Trainstar is a good beginner model too!
Thought the same after the fact... did not consider it at the time of happening... all just happened so quickly... was not expecting it! Usually I do the stall testing a bit later into the flight... and at higher altitudes! :P
Very strange. Something very similar happened to mine. I was also using the Matek 722 Wing and INav. I should also mention that I was using the recommended power pack sold by SonicModell. I recently purchased a new one with all new electronics, hardware, and motors (not the SonicModell Powerpack). Still using INav, however, this time I am using a Matek F405 Wing.
@@ArxangelRC it does not have to be a crop, just a soft meadow or wild tall grass will do, bushes, anything other than hard ground, that goes for quadcopters too.
@@gewizz2 Yes... I live in the centre of a city, places with soft and thick crops are not easy to come by around here, and even that spot, where this plane crashed... you can see a rolling take off just transitioned to a crash... there was not time to move it over the grass area!
Last year I also got a binary and on its maiden it did that same thing for no reason at all. Mine survived a did better I spend a lot of time messing with it and tuning it to make to stop that crabbing , is still flying today. I have noted they seem to fly a lot better without the landing gear.
DAMMIT, MAN! I think you're right. That right wings leading edge was leading the lefts throughout all of the out-of-control footage. I saw abnormally large amount of yaw on the initial left turn on your crosswind leg. Motor!!
It's a real shame. It did look like you had different thrust in the air.... but weirdly took off in a straight line for the first few seconds. It was rolling down the runway in a straight line. I would expect it to veer off to one side while it was rolling down the runway. Very strange
@@ArxangelRC ah ok. By the way, there is a guy on the "RagTheNutsOff" channel that crashed a binary the other day. He was saying the same thing as you about the motors having different thrust... you might want to check out his video...
It looks to me your pitch up was very steep which caused you to lose airspeed and stall. I think the FPV feed showing 54km/h is not showing the absolute minimum speed. Your nose was pointed way up right before it stalled; the FPV feed appears to show at the time before the extreme pitch up. I think you had a stall due to too much pitch up and you did not have enough altitude to recover. Regardless, I think even 54km/h is not fast enough for such maneuver. I fly mine with arduplane and my FBW MIN parameter is set to 30mph and I'm flying near 2kg AUW. At 30mph, that is for level flight, no turns. Anything else, I increase speed. Sorry you had such a bad maiden. Hope you get it fixed up. It does fly great!
Probably will not get it fixed up... quite a line after this one... so finding it hard to justify spending time repairing it and trying to get it flying properly! Also... speed was accurate... and since this is GPS ground speed... at an incline angle... real speed is higher... and I was going against the wind! Stall came in the turn, it was just too high of a banking angle! Was OK while going straight!
sorry for the loss of your plane. just one of those things. motor or maybe esc issue i guess. in hindsight gliding it down no throttle may have may have saved it. but on to the next :)
Solution to your problem. ESC/ Motors where out of sync. super easy fix. 1. turn on your transmitter & push the throttle to the full up position. 2. connect a battery to your plane while the throttle is fully open 3. both motor and esc will begin to beep and sync both of them together 4. the beeping will continue for about 2-3 minutes. 5. after 3 minutes unplug the aircraft battery and turn off your transmitter 6. turn on you transmitter with throttle at 0 & turn on your plane . 7. increase the throttle very slowly until both motors spin at the same time. if they do not spin together at the about 1-8% throttle complete steps 1-7 until they are in sync. video solution: th-cam.com/video/_DEHWejMGRM/w-d-xo.html i had this happen to me before just a stock twin engine plane crashed 40 seconds after flying come to find out the motors where out of sync.i repair it and flew again and never had this again i usually do this when ever i fly twin motor aircraft.
Not out of sync!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One motor was just harder to spin than the other one, and would stop much sooner when power was removed!
Finding a spar around here would be an issue... and I don't think I am willing to put anymore effort or time into this one... only to end up the same next chance it gets!
man that sucks, even your little girl looked sad when she went to the wreck, this is a strange one about the motor thrust but a very likely cause of the fail, dont fix it, take bits out and move on
Yes, thrust differential, but not during takeoff?....The way it powered round to the left seems to back it up as a theory I agree. Big fat lipo in a model with questionable wing area and even fatter motor nacelles..I wouldn't bother repairing it... IMO.
@@EnglishTurbines Well... sounds like the plane is prone to doing this with or without properly working motors... I am done wasting my time with it! Stripping it today, and will be getting to work on the VTOL!
Nikola, this plane is known for stalling due to the short wingspan. It was reported few times by the community. With the help of little DIY the wings could be extended to mitigate this issue. All in all the plane has nice fuselage but the wings are a no-go. Nice video as always.
Sorry my friend this is the problem with the wing aera from the binary I extended my wing for this raison instagram.com/p/B74VTEIo8nl/?igshid=e7sowl5xhaql
Yes, I had heard people extending the wings on this one... definitely not something I was willing to do! I mean... what is the point of putting out such a beautiful plane... if I have to go around cutting and gluing before it even takes flight...
Well... I was looking forward to seeing it flying properly... but I guess that won't happen now! Also, the Alba is probably much better... but doesn't look nearly as good! :P
_"Taxi it back!"_
Hahahahahahaha... yeah... that would have been interesting!
Indeed!
No idea why all people blame the plane for an obvious technical problem with the motors. It flies beautiful for me, just don't get too slow. 50km/h is definitely not too slow.
Hi, I have seen some of your long range videos with the binary. Could I ask if you ever managed to increase your range with the dji fpv system ? Did you manage to get beyond 6.8km?
@@beefybeef1326 No, for now I think it's not possible
@@fwing thanks for letting me know
@@fwing Yeah... definitely needs more speed, and possibly flaps for take offs and definitely for landings!
@@beefybeef1326 Its a long time since your comment, but if you still need some tips - I managed to get 13 km where I hit the hard limit of the controller and it dropped from full signal strength to dead. Here is my parts list:
DJI Ait Unit with Caddx Polar camera.
* FCC + 1200mW
* 2x TBS TRIUMPH PRO (SMA) - LONG RANGE - LHCP
* 2x TBS Unify Pro 5G8 SMA Pigtail (MMCX)
* 2x MMCX Cable M/F (10cm)
DJI FPV Goggles v2:
* FCC + 1200mW
* Crytal HD patch antenna attached to bottom 2 ports
* Crystal HD stubbies on top
DJI FPV Controller:
* Stock antennas
Tipp stalled. Almost 90° in turn and small wing area. Not surprised.
Yeah... :(
I have spent a few hours flying with differential thrust on my binary with full a manual receiver. That crash was definitely caused by a thrust imbalance. In hindsight, the only way to save it was to cut the power and glide for an emergency landing. Looking forward to the Drift review!
Right... I have thought about that too... but a bit too late... oh well... working on the Drift review now! :)
Yep, probably Esc or motor failure. I'm sorry for your loss.. :(
Motors and ESCs are still working OK!
dont feel bad i crashed mines last week......im done with the binary......went with a different long range plane.....no issues yet
Which one?
Hi I was just watching your lithium ion battery build so have I got this right 4s 6p pack will be able to deliver 60amps continuously 6p x 10 apps = 60a with 4 cells wired together to make to make a 4s 6p pack ? Thanks
Yes, that is correct!
Look on the bright side... At least it didn't get lost.
Hahahaha! Indeed! Would have been much worse!
I am having similar issue with Reptile Dragon V2 with F765 running Ardupilot. After some trouble shooting I am suspecting hardware issue more related to Pwm signal.
Hmmmm... weird indeed! Never had an issue with those controllers! Even this one is now in another plane and working properly!
My mate's Binary flies quite well. After the first tip stall crash, he extended the wing area by 15%, and the rudder and elevators by a good bit more than that. The work was to improve glide as well - it hardly glides at all in stock with a large battery. Just looking at it, the proportions don't seem right.
Yup... apparently there is some merit to that... though not sure if I will find the motivation to extend anything... right now debating if even going to fix it up... I hate repairing squashed foam!!!
Glad to see I'm not the only one who lawn darts brand new planes!!!
;-)
Hahaha, you are most definitely not! :) It is how we learn!
Oh wow. Themes the breaks. I'm sure its a fine flying model. Will you do another one?
Nope. :)
is your VTX antenna upside down? Is this a thing I should try for better range?
Yeah, antennas also work upside down and if you manage to get it below the plane you won't have many issues with the plane obstructing the view to the ground under certain orientations.
2:57 a photo of the ZOHD Drift pops upp
Indeed it does! :P
Would this be ok as a first wing? I have a DJI Air unit spare. How likely is a crash like this if I take it easy to try to keep it level and only turn gently?
This is not a beginner plane! Please don't waste your money and risk ditching the hobby because of this plane!
@@ArxangelRC Oh ok thanks. What would you consider beginner? I have been recommended an x8 or other Bixler type craft by a few others. Apparently they should take an Air unit just fine for FPV.
Bixler might be OK.. X8... if we are talking about the wing... no idea, have no clue how that thing flies, so cannot say! I know the Volantex Trainstar is a good beginner model too!
@@ArxangelRC Thanks I will take a look 👍
Good luck! :)
used plane in decent shape for sale
plane comes in parts and pieces as picked up on the crash site.
Crash footage available as Bonus too,
or 15% off a new one at crashgood lol
Hahahahahahahaha... this is a giveaway only item now! :P
Perhaps you could have saved it by cutting power and gliding it in for a softer landing... IDK
To late for that, but I was thinking the same
Thought the same after the fact... did not consider it at the time of happening... all just happened so quickly... was not expecting it! Usually I do the stall testing a bit later into the flight... and at higher altitudes! :P
bummer. sorry to hear!
Well... sometimes it happens!
Very strange. Something very similar happened to mine. I was also using the Matek 722 Wing and INav. I should also mention that I was using the recommended power pack sold by SonicModell. I recently purchased a new one with all new electronics, hardware, and motors (not the SonicModell Powerpack). Still using INav, however, this time I am using a Matek F405 Wing.
I was also using the stock power pack! Just one of the motors was not the same as the other one!
i always test new planes above dense crops on fields, so it has soft landing.
Well... I guess you are lucky then... I do not have that luxury... also... where in the world do you have dense crops year round?!
@@ArxangelRC it does not have to be a crop, just a soft meadow or wild tall grass will do, bushes, anything other than hard ground, that goes for quadcopters too.
Well... over the winter periods... none of that is to be found around here!
@@ArxangelRC why not? do you live in a dense city? well, just keep a look out for said soff areas.
@@gewizz2 Yes... I live in the centre of a city, places with soft and thick crops are not easy to come by around here, and even that spot, where this plane crashed... you can see a rolling take off just transitioned to a crash... there was not time to move it over the grass area!
Did you ever fix the plane?
Yeah, fixed it to the trash can! :P
Do you think this model needs a bit more wing area?
Definitely! And not a bit...
You could just add another wing section, they sell wings separately.
@@christophbader3713 I do not believe a model, that requires such heavy mods to make it fly... at all... requires any more effort put into it!
Stabilization is possible thanks to Flight controller?
It was in Manual mode!
@@ArxangelRC I mean: has Flight controller stabilization function in Rc?
Yes, the plane had an iNav flashed F722 Wing.
i had the same problem yesterday with 2 planes... they both did exactly the same thing as yours did... it sounds like you lost a motor
All working... just one of them is harder to spin... and was like that since the build!
Thanks for the honest review let the pilots make up their mind for this one ☝️
Yup... even this is some result!
Last year I also got a binary and on its maiden it did that same thing for no reason at all. Mine survived a did better I spend a lot of time messing with it and tuning it to make to stop that crabbing , is still flying today. I have noted they seem to fly a lot better without the landing gear.
Could be... but this was my chance to finally have a scale looking FPV plane with a landing gear... :S
My Binary yawed out of control 6 seconds after my maiden takeoff. It yawed to the left significantly and I wasn't skillful enough to save it :(
So another one bites the dust...
DAMMIT, MAN! I think you're right. That right wings leading edge was leading the lefts throughout all of the out-of-control footage. I saw abnormally large amount of yaw on the initial left turn on your crosswind leg. Motor!!
Yeah... plane has issues!
I was actually thinking of buying this the other day. But decided to go for the Mini Talon instead..iv heard its the better plane.
Yeah I've got a couple of mini Talons, they are very good, was thinking of getting this but seen other problems and tip stalls I may give it a miss.
Yeah... sad, but true...
It's a real shame. It did look like you had different thrust in the air.... but weirdly took off in a straight line for the first few seconds. It was rolling down the runway in a straight line. I would expect it to veer off to one side while it was rolling down the runway. Very strange
It was trying to, and I did compensate that with the rudder all the while it was rolling on the ground!
@@ArxangelRC ah ok. By the way, there is a guy on the "RagTheNutsOff" channel that crashed a binary the other day. He was saying the same thing as you about the motors having different thrust... you might want to check out his video...
Yeah, I saw that! :) Too bad...
It looks to me your pitch up was very steep which caused you to lose airspeed and stall. I think the FPV feed showing 54km/h is not showing the absolute minimum speed. Your nose was pointed way up right before it stalled; the FPV feed appears to show at the time before the extreme pitch up. I think you had a stall due to too much pitch up and you did not have enough altitude to recover. Regardless, I think even 54km/h is not fast enough for such maneuver. I fly mine with arduplane and my FBW MIN parameter is set to 30mph and I'm flying near 2kg AUW. At 30mph, that is for level flight, no turns. Anything else, I increase speed. Sorry you had such a bad maiden. Hope you get it fixed up. It does fly great!
Probably will not get it fixed up... quite a line after this one... so finding it hard to justify spending time repairing it and trying to get it flying properly! Also... speed was accurate... and since this is GPS ground speed... at an incline angle... real speed is higher... and I was going against the wind! Stall came in the turn, it was just too high of a banking angle! Was OK while going straight!
Almost looks like a servo or servo horn/clasp failure? But either way I'm sorry to see it crash. Better luck on the new 1,000 flights 😉
🥃cheers🍻
Thanks! All servos, motors, and ESCs seem to be working OK, no horns broken!
@@ArxangelRC so strange maybe a brown out ?
Nah... controls were working all the way to the ground! :)
Man that sucks, thanks for sharing !
Indeed it does! :(
sorry for the loss of your plane. just one of those things. motor or maybe esc issue i guess. in hindsight gliding it down no throttle may have may have saved it. but on to the next :)
Yup... my thoughts exactly!
maybe try a finwing albabird, read good things about it
Yes, have heard about that... but this one is sooooooo much better looking!
Welcome to INAV - Team Failsafe
Hahaha, not sure iNav was the issue this time! :P
The spiral looks like a big plane of mine that had the motor came off mid flight, same thing, on first turn, but was turning right haaha
Hahahahaha... well... in this case motor was still attached... but yeah... sounds like it sucked for you too!
Time for some testing with cutting out a motor. At a high altitude ha ha
I do have video of such an experiment with an MTD plane! :)
I feel sorry for this girl, she probably had a SHOCK)
You just don't know kids. The eyes said "That was fun, Daddy! Do it again!" :D
Hahahaha, she was quite entertained in her own little girly way... not really stressed about it! Just gave her something to talk about for days! :)
Sorry for thr crash
Thank you!
Great video as usual!!
Haha, thanks! Especially given the end result! :)
Solution to your problem.
ESC/ Motors where out of sync. super easy fix.
1. turn on your transmitter & push the throttle to the full up position.
2. connect a battery to your plane while the throttle is fully open
3. both motor and esc will begin to beep and sync both of them together
4. the beeping will continue for about 2-3 minutes.
5. after 3 minutes unplug the aircraft battery and turn off your transmitter
6. turn on you transmitter with throttle at 0 & turn on your plane .
7. increase the throttle very slowly until both motors spin at the same time.
if they do not spin together at the about 1-8% throttle complete steps 1-7 until they are in sync.
video solution: th-cam.com/video/_DEHWejMGRM/w-d-xo.html
i had this happen to me before just a stock twin engine plane crashed 40 seconds after flying come to find out the motors where out of sync.i repair it and flew again and never had this again i usually do this when ever i fly twin motor aircraft.
Not out of sync!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One motor was just harder to spin than the other one, and would stop much sooner when power was removed!
Replace the spar and glue the nose. It doesnt seem like a difficoult repair from the video :)
Finding a spar around here would be an issue... and I don't think I am willing to put anymore effort or time into this one... only to end up the same next chance it gets!
you should take a MULTIPLEX TWINSTAR
Have heard they fly well... but also that they are pretty tight with gear space!
Bummer!
Indeed!
Gutted for you re the motors. Feck. Im sticking to one motor planes :/
Well this is the first time I am running into an issue of the sort... and I have quite a few twins!
man that sucks, even your little girl looked sad when she went to the wreck, this is a strange one about the motor thrust but a very likely cause of the fail, dont fix it, take bits out and move on
Indeed what I intend to do!
Phoenix 2400 glider is the best fpv plane
Yup... it is pretty darn nice!
Yes, thrust differential, but not during takeoff?....The way it powered round to the left seems to back it up as a theory I agree.
Big fat lipo in a model with questionable wing area and even fatter motor nacelles..I wouldn't bother repairing it... IMO.
It was a LiIon! During the take off I was pulling it to the right, as it was trying to go left all the time!
@@ArxangelRC I have since seen another of these pile in with a left turning spiral...Did you have contra rotation?
Yes!
@@ArxangelRC Weird....
@@EnglishTurbines Well... sounds like the plane is prone to doing this with or without properly working motors... I am done wasting my time with it! Stripping it today, and will be getting to work on the VTOL!
Nikola, this plane is known for stalling due to the short wingspan. It was reported few times by the community. With the help of little DIY the wings could be extended to mitigate this issue. All in all the plane has nice fuselage but the wings are a no-go. Nice video as always.
Thanks! Yeah... really not a fan of fixing planes out of the factory...
Wait for Ari send you one more hehe
Haha, doubt it!
Sincere regrets over your Binary crash , that was really frustrating. Thanks for the warning
Thank you!
Sonicmodell has these over priced as a kit. The electronics are over priced too. Wish they would make these cheaper in price.
Right... well... there are a lot of details to it... so perhaps it really does cost that much!
@@ArxangelRC I still would love to have one and put a Matek FC on it.
Well then... get it, put the Matek in... and hang it on the ceiling, and just enjoy the view! :)
Sorry my friend this is the problem with the wing aera from the binary
I extended my wing for this raison
instagram.com/p/B74VTEIo8nl/?igshid=e7sowl5xhaql
Yes, I had heard people extending the wings on this one... definitely not something I was willing to do! I mean... what is the point of putting out such a beautiful plane... if I have to go around cutting and gluing before it even takes flight...
Stall
Yup!
Какая боль.
:(
Hii
Hi
Oop's
Yup!
I wanted this to be my next fpv plane but after that... No
Albabird flies MUCH better. I have both.
Well... I was looking forward to seeing it flying properly... but I guess that won't happen now! Also, the Alba is probably much better... but doesn't look nearly as good! :P
ArxangelRC but it flies so sweet despite looking like a pregnant bumblebee.
Hahahaha, yeah... once you get up to 60 and are too scared to slow it down! :)
Stall 😂
Yup!
I love these twin-tractor, high wing models but I'll be staying away from this one.
Certainly seems like a wise choice!