I totally dislike the 2022 Travato G. I was not a fan if the original bathroom and the new smaller bathroom is NOT doable. I do not like the bed configuration it makes getting sheets that fit well impossible unless you have them special made. More unnecessary dollars. Also if you have to replace the mattress that will be a high dollar expense. The airplane seats are stupid ugly and would be one of the first things I would replace and the table mounting is too awkward to be usable. Also the TV is a hazard where it is placed, I would either knock out an eye or smash the screen in no time. I would remove it entirely. Other than that I perfer your configuration.
I don’t like it... would not consider it. Your design is much better. The table up front and the seats are a bad design. The bathroom step up and not supporting a taller person??? I also agree that the cabinet wok looks cheap or poorly designed. Overall it looks like they downgraded the interior and went possibly for something easier for them to build at a lower cost increasing profit ... would not buy one...
I believe they were thinking about keeping the cost down after seeing what Jayco did with this same layout for under $100k. They are hoping for a home run on the Ekko for sure. I, for one, don’t believe these two RVs are singing to the same audience. There will always be a determined following for the ultra efficient stealth vans. There are still innovations that can be made in this genre. Disappointed that I’m not seeing any of them here.
I have a Travato 59G, but the new floor plan would not meet my needs. I travel with my adult children and need a second bed. My 6' 2" son would hate bending over in the bathroom the whole time. He worked in the van while I drove, which would not work with the new table setup. My standard poodles ride stapped in behind the driver's seat with the table down. I put padded waterproof crib on all four cushions to protect them from the dog paws, which would not work in new setup. Water, electrical controls, TV, lack of storage... Big NO for me. I would not buy.
So sorry I saw your Van first !! My wife says I compare every one I see to yours!! Can’t find another I like better...... Don’t apologize for your breathing due to mask,we all do the same. Can’t have you getting sick or worse. At least not before I find my new van!! lol Thanks for all you do to keep us informed and sharing your journey!! J.S.
Yeah, when doing a Volta Charge On Demand that new design makes one close the window whereas I can to the COD session with the window open as my tailpipe is mid-ship
2 3 point seats👎 loss of sleeper Rather get a smaller fridge and closet allowing for the flex seat from the Outlander Storyteller-or the like *either loose one friend and only seat 3 or add a single removable 3point seat on floor track mounts Bath sink 👍about time! BUT And the narrow commode area & Etta high floor 👎👎 Put in a swivel bath like the EKO And the sleek exterior for stealth👍 having to open the back door to access everything ? 🤦♀️🥴😤🙄🤒 Duh! Was someone out sick that day? Honestly how much could it possibly cost extra to install an access panel through that back door? Trust me there’s NOTHING inside there...I insulated mine I know *I’ve only owned my second hand T less than a year, and I’m ready to make suggestions to the professional engineers ....🤐 I’ll just keep DIY ing my way through my early 17G LOL
Thank you Winnebago! You added more value to my 2018 Travato due to your screw up for 2022! I hate what you did with the left side, outside speakers and interior design! The Travato 59G now looks like a cheap imitation of the original Travato! No I would not buy this one!
I think this new G floor plan is a miss for winnebago. Too bad, because the fan base was growing exponentially with the old version. Looks like they made decisions/choices based on cost savings measures on materials and to simplify production. 😕
Looks like a giant step backward. Wondering whose opinion they took when making these changes. They really should ask the opinions of current owners and influencers who review their products. They might find what they think is great is actually a bust.
Why would you put your city water and black tank flush inside your rig? Can not use it if it’s raining outside. Taking a hot long shower is now a security risk because the door needs to be open. And the bathroom… failure guys. Want to fix this. Put the water ports under the rig so you can hide them. Little inconvenient, but then they're hidden. Take this back to the drawing board and fix it. And stop cheaping out. Your fans and want to be’s are watching.
Unfortunately this takes the Travato off my list. The biggest loss is the extra bed followed by the much less useful work area. They made a lot of mistakes.
That should just be a separate floor plan that's made available. Changing the G to this is a fail and fills certain demographics. That exhaust near the window is a big no no. Great video Scott.
Greetings Scott, you currently have 2 full years of van life. If you buy again......Which van will you choose? What brand ? What floor layouts? with Lithium batteries ?
Great question Eddie… your question advanced to the VIEWER QUESTION OF THE WEEK to be fully answered on my weekly #vanlife RV show on TH-cam Live. Easier to say what my new RV must have… - Volta system - 59G floor plan with some improvements to non-2022 floor plan - open to other brand than Winnebago - no cassette toilet - more tank capacity - less storage - Ram Promaster - more 4-seasonish - rugged, but 4x4 or AWD not necessary What does your dream rig look like ?
With the demand of Travado's, Winnebago PROBABLY has gone in full 24/7 production with cheaper, easier manufacturing and products....it certainly is a step down from your van...which I love....thanks again for all the tours at the RV show...I didn't have to get off the couch or miss a golf game...hahaha
This layout will cause me to keep looking. I’m aiming to go back to travel nursing in 2022 and was considering a Travato 59GL but with the extra bedding area in the front. If I wanted a rig that sleeps only two adults, It wouldn’t be this new Travato at all. And the new smaller bathroom is a definite negative. These two items (extra sleeping and larger bathroom) were the entire reason I was aiming for the Travato 59GL...So sad about these changes:-( And thank you for the video Scott...It was great like all of your videos.
Very disappointed in what they did. As the “leader” and #1 class B models they have opened the door to competition. It’s very hard to understand that real users would provide feedback that produced these changes. To me, it looks like they wanted to go cheaper and increase margins which never produces longterm gains. Not having the extra sleeping area makes no sense. Let’s see if they can fix this for 2022-2023.
Thanks for the walkthrough. Travota was on my shortlist but not anymore. So many things wrong with the new design. They are going cheap with the new design. Nothing is innovative about this rig. Bathroom is horrible, dinette area is a downgrade. Coachman have a much better quality class B just my opinion. Seems like more for less in term of cost. Cost more for less lol
@@gosmall.livelarge definitely a downgrade from your rig. Does the 2022 cost more? They need to drop the price down to 100k. Out the door 85k then I would consider. Wishing thinking but no way I would pay the over 100k for this rig.
I'm not a fan of the living room area - they put in highway-legal seats to carry up to four people but removed the bed so the van only sleeps two. I'd much prefer the bench style seat that the earlier models have. A better work area for us remote workers. TV placement is odd. Better if there was a fold down option between the driver and front passenger seat for it - then you can comfortably watch from the liv room area and bed. Or just remove it and add a spot for a mini projector and a pull screen by windshield. I think the 18 gallon FW tank is the Achilles heal of the Travato. I'd love to see someone magically expand that and add recirc system for the bath sink/shower. And why is the kitchen sink not undermount? So easy to to do.
Scott can you do a video where you install a Pioneer system in the dash of your Travato please! This model can never be as homey as yours. The color of the wood and the grain looks cheap. The dinette has been ruined. Looks like race car bucket seats, can't sit in the middle at all. Does your model really have a kitchen window where if you leave it open the sliding door would hit it? Ouch that seems crazy. Really like that they removed the outside speakers that was so 1980's. Is there no Jensen in the new model? It really is not needed. In our K the speakers are so awful so we use a Sony Bluetooth speaker. We pull out the TV and set it on top and that works great. Thanks for being at the RV show we miss them so much.
I think they are going Cheap cutting corners it’s interesting some of us are in the plus size and Winnebago is going smaller and smaller I think Winnebago is focusing more on their more expensive models and is letting the Travato die as I said a million times no innovation no imagination ... I’ve been looking at a TH-cam Channel that shows off the European models and they are SOOOO different and cooler .. We are on the hunt of a B van and it’s not going to be Winnebago that’s for sure .. Great videos Scott as always and thank you for looking out and using a mask it sucks but safety first..
The European models are light years ahead of ours! That's why I snagged a Hymer Aktiv - best quality B class van on the market but sadly US operation died out (but I hear it's being resurrected as Hymer USA out of Indiana while maintaining German built quality)
'Progress' even though this is 'new' is not necessarily better in my opinion. As a single senior woman, I would prefer a larger bath and I'm only 5'2" so for a tall male this would not be practical, and I would prefer a smaller mattress, thus larger storage in back. And putting all the dials on over the sliding door has eliminated a possible use of storage space/shelf. Thank you for the comparison tour.
So glad I have a pre 2022 G. Losing the puzzle bed, the inadequate table, the leg on the bed limits what the garage can carry, the loss of bathroom height, the protruding drawer pulls, the visuals of the murphy bed when up is not appealing, loss of storage under the murphy bed. The cabinets look cheap. The water tank is smaller. Can't imagine what WGO was thinking on this one.
Great summary of issues with the new model. It also appears the new water system requires the back door to be open to use/service/access. - Just crazy unless I'm missing something.
@@stephenbritt6557 nothing was explained to me when I purchased my 2022 GL.no one knew anything about it at the Dealership. (Not good business). I was told, 1. turn the inverter on that's all you need to be concerned about. 2. Turn it off when not in use. What a price to pay!
I see this rig as a one year model and it’s gone..... JMHO! Perfect for a mini person like myself but looks cheaply made and over priced!!!! Not a fan...but good video Scott!!!!
Missed the boat totally...that's what success and greed does...cheaping out. I think the drawers are stapled and glued. Coachmen is the new Class B in town!
I really like the GL. But two things suck about it. I’m 6’1 so the bathroom is out. And I can’t stand the chassis. I wish they’d make a Ford transit travato. 👎🏼
I agree, the design mistakes really negate any improvement made, it's really too bad. Let's hope they're already redesigning for 2023 and beyond! Thank you for the video.
Looks like typical Winnebago to me.... uncomfortable seating, unusable tv placement and cut corners everywhere possible for the same price you can get another brand with quality.
We will be picking up our 2023 59 G in about a week. We purposely waited for the major upgrade : 9 speed automatic transmission, keyless entry and start, electronic steering ( no hydraulic), sensors and camera's throughout the rig, Sumo springs standard, new front end look. Its supposed to get up to 23 MPG now with the new tranny.
Appreciate this fair, honest review highlighting both good and bad points of the new model. As a long time G owner, your comments are particularly valued and instructive. Nice to see a review by an experienced owner that is not drinking the fandom KoolAid.
After seeing this i am more determined NOT to go with Winnebago. I’m looking at the Coachmen right now. Mainly for their quality cabinets and insulation.
All (No)WIN accomplished was to drive up the value of previous year Travato's! They pulled the same thing with the "Class A" Skinny Winnies (Via and Reyo) by eliminating the dual pane windows. That was a deal breaker for me. Time to check out the Coachmen NOVA!
Can’t believe Winnebago makes the newer model of Travato worse than the older/current model. Not a big fan of water hookups are all inside. Don’t like they made bathroom smaller.
Not a fan of the changes they have made to the G floor plan. If I bought a Travato it would have to be a 2019, or 2020 with the Volta system. I think they took a step backwards!
Terrible. Hate the removal of the 2nd bed. And putting the water inside definitely would make filling more annoying especially if you have bikes or other things on the rear. Only plus is the induction cooktop. Hate the rest of the changes
I'll have to pass on this. Why didn't they do a "Euro cassette toilet" Also use the double-pane euro windows that flip out from the bottom? Lastly, have the CEO sit in the bench seat for 3-5 hours and see if he /she likes it. As for the RAM vs FORD in safety features RAM lags behind Ford. Since I suffer from PTSD/TBI as a result of my injury in Iraq, I must have those "Safety Features" when driving.
Not impressed. This is the cheapest-looking $118K vehicle I've ever seen, actually. The cabinets look like particle board. The seats look hard and uncomfortable. The bed is ugly and looks like it was an after-thought, and not being able to standup in the bathroom is just bizarre. And do I understand you have to open the rear doors to fill water? Really? Weird. If Wal-mart sold an RV, it would be the Travato. Ugh.
My puzzle bed is the best guestroom ever not to mention an excellent gathering spot for cards. Without that and the roomy, wonderful bathroom, the new G is not a winner! Love my 2017! When the time comes for a new B, it won't be this one. Thanks for the tour.
Total disaster, almost bought a 2017 59G, this looks like they made alot of mistakes, sales will drop even in hot market, Solis is now the one to get PX.
If you have problems in that bathroom, a normal guy who is not as thin as you will find the bathroom unusable. Winnebago had the only usable floor plan for doing office work out there... and they ruined it. Wonder if Sportsmobile or a custom van maker can do the ok’d school plan. Definitely a thumbs down.
I so wanted the 2020 layout with the two bed design with the ultra quiet onan generator & larger frig. They lost me as a customer. Nothing like “improving” a design to the point it doesn’t sell as well. Not to mention all of the connections behind a closed/locked door.
that seat is weird looking .. i don't like it it at all... i only like the lagoon table but everything else sucks... horrible whoever did this should be fired
👎👎 You would think for the cost of these rigs, the improvements from one year to another would be significant and and improved. I would like to see a Winnebago spokesperson or dealer take us thru this.
This is trash. Add the exterior water inlet and put the 4 inches back in the bath. Us left handed people need the elbow room to wipe! Clearly it's designed for the 100% boondocking crowd. Maybe it will be labeled as the b/bl lol
You showed the water connections INSIDE the back door, but didn’t say how they get the hoses up in side the van while the doors or closed ! How the heck does that work ?!
One thing I noticed... it seems the new location for water inlets means you have to have your back door open to fill tanks. Is that correct? Not a fan of that. Also, if you notice at 14:38, their brochure seems to show the drivers seat turned around so the table can be used. So I guess if you need a table, you are required to turn the drivers seat? Wouldn't this mean passengers couldn't use the table if you are driving? Be seeing you!
yes on the water. Lagune table can be used by spinning seat around or using the provided “bench” seats. Buy another Lagune table for two tables i guess to seat more people at a table.
What I like: The bench by the door is gone, making the interior roomier up front The automotive style seats, as long as more padding is added to them. They don't look very comfortable they way they are now The smaller table issue can be resolved by using a second Lagun table on the passenger side if needed Wider bed for couples Getting rid of the shower floor pump What I dislike: This is a deal breaker for me. No exterior connection for water hose and cable/satellite hookups. Or is there an opening somewhere and I didn't see it in the video? If not, what was Winnebago thinking? No way will I consider buying an RV that you have to use the water pump at all times and refill the tank when city water is available. Same goes for having to run coax cable through a window or the rear door molding Price. Winnebago is pricing itself out of the B market. Newcomers such as Coachmen and Thor are offering a lot more for the buck. For the price, Pleasure Way offers much nicer and better built units The bed frame color is unattractive, it looks like it came from a prison I don't care much for the W door latches on the cupboards. They look cheesy.
Overall it's still a winner, the only nuance would be the interior. Looking at the underside of the bed would get tiresome although it would be down most of the time 4 me. The front lounge has lost some of it's charm & finnish, not in need of extra bed, so the extra room is inviting. Water connection might be somewhat of a nuisance The overall 59g new/old is still hard 2 beat, it's hard 2 find the perfect class B ( I hate propane) .... TY 4 the video
I totally dislike the 2022 Travato G. I was not a fan if the original bathroom and the new smaller bathroom is NOT doable. I do not like the bed configuration it makes getting sheets that fit well impossible unless you have them special made. More unnecessary dollars. Also if you have to replace the mattress that will be a high dollar expense. The airplane seats are stupid ugly and would be one of the first things I would replace and the table mounting is too awkward to be usable. Also the TV is a hazard where it is placed, I would either knock out an eye or smash the screen in no time. I would remove it entirely. Other than that I perfer your configuration.
Great comments Sharon.
I really don't understand why vendors take a good thing and make it worse not better.
It is a curiousity
Cutting cost and increasing the bottom line.
It's always to save money. Always.
I don’t like it... would not consider it. Your design is much better. The table up front and the seats are a bad design. The bathroom step up and not supporting a taller person??? I also agree that the cabinet wok looks cheap or poorly designed. Overall it looks like they downgraded the interior and went possibly for something easier for them to build at a lower cost increasing profit ... would not buy one...
Great points Richard. thx for your input
Bathroom too small for most people now
Thx LA G
Good day from Godley Texas,
My only comment is, What in heck were the designers thinking? 😞😞😞
GODLEY TX. !! I’m scratching my head too
I believe they were thinking about keeping the cost down after seeing what Jayco did with this same layout for under $100k. They are hoping for a home run on the Ekko for sure. I, for one, don’t believe these two RVs are singing to the same audience. There will always be a determined following for the ultra efficient stealth vans. There are still innovations that can be made in this genre. Disappointed that I’m not seeing any of them here.
I have a Travato 59G, but the new floor plan would not meet my needs. I travel with my adult children and need a second bed. My 6' 2" son would hate bending over in the bathroom the whole time. He worked in the van while I drove, which would not work with the new table setup. My standard poodles ride stapped in behind the driver's seat with the table down. I put padded waterproof crib on all four cushions to protect them from the dog paws, which would not work in new setup. Water, electrical controls, TV, lack of storage... Big NO for me. I would not buy.
Meeting once’s needs is what a proper floor plan is all about
So sorry I saw your Van first !! My wife says I compare every one I see to yours!! Can’t find another I like better...... Don’t apologize for your breathing due to mask,we all do the same. Can’t have you getting sick or worse. At least not before I find my new van!! lol Thanks for all you do to keep us informed and sharing your journey!! J.S.
Happy to be a little part of your Journey J Stevens !
Looks like a cheap knock off of the "original" T's. Who thought of putting an exhaust fan under a window? Darwin award.
Yeah, when doing a Volta Charge On Demand that new design makes one close the window whereas I can to the COD session with the window open as my tailpipe is mid-ship
Liked the video did not like the changes to the van.
Appreciate that Lori !
Like the video but a big NO on the news Travato. It's a shame they went 5 steps backwards.
appreciate the liking the video Dave!
No way! Floorplan on 2022 is aweful.
sorta agree with you Sharon !
2 3 point seats👎 loss of sleeper
Rather get a smaller fridge and closet allowing for the flex seat from the Outlander Storyteller-or the like
*either loose one friend and only seat 3 or add a single removable 3point seat on floor track mounts
Bath sink 👍about time!
BUT
And the narrow commode area & Etta high floor 👎👎
Put in a swivel bath like the EKO
And the sleek exterior for stealth👍 having to open the back door to access everything ? 🤦♀️🥴😤🙄🤒
Duh! Was someone out sick that day? Honestly how much could it possibly cost extra to install an access panel through that back door?
Trust me there’s NOTHING inside there...I insulated mine I know
*I’ve only owned my second hand T less than a year, and I’m ready to make suggestions to the professional engineers ....🤐
I’ll just keep DIY ing my way through my early 17G LOL
funny solution... loose a friend
Thank you Winnebago! You added more value to my 2018 Travato due to your screw up for 2022! I hate what you did with the left side, outside speakers and interior design! The Travato 59G now looks like a cheap imitation of the original Travato! No I would not buy this one!
Here's to resale value going up !
A couple of pluses, 3 times as many negatives. Worthless for a 6' solo guy. Off the considered list!
Yeah... I get it
Talk about twelve steps backwards. With all the new class B and B plus vans entering the market they have really knock themselves to the bottom. Booo
Booo-hoooo... I’m with your Mary!
I think this new G floor plan is a miss for winnebago. Too bad, because the fan base was growing exponentially with the old version. Looks like they made decisions/choices based on cost savings measures on materials and to simplify production. 😕
You might be right on those points
Looks like a giant step backward. Wondering whose opinion they took when making these changes. They really should ask the opinions of current owners and influencers who review their products. They might find what they think is great is actually a bust.
Agree with you !
Why would you put your city water and black tank flush inside your rig? Can not use it if it’s raining outside. Taking a hot long shower is now a security risk because the door needs to be open. And the bathroom… failure guys. Want to fix this. Put the water ports under the rig so you can hide them. Little inconvenient, but then they're hidden. Take this back to the drawing board and fix it. And stop cheaping out. Your fans and want to be’s are watching.
Well said Dan !!
Unfortunately this takes the Travato off my list. The biggest loss is the extra bed followed by the much less useful work area. They made a lot of mistakes.
Patrick, Thanks for sharing!
That should just be a separate floor plan that's made available. Changing the G to this is a fail and fills certain demographics. That exhaust near the window is a big no no. Great video Scott.
I agree 100%
Greetings Scott, you currently have 2 full years of van life.
If you buy again......Which van will you choose? What brand ? What floor layouts? with Lithium batteries ?
Great question Eddie… your question advanced to the VIEWER QUESTION OF THE WEEK to be fully answered on my weekly #vanlife RV show on TH-cam Live.
Easier to say what my new RV must have…
- Volta system
- 59G floor plan with some improvements to non-2022 floor plan
- open to other brand than Winnebago
- no cassette toilet
- more tank capacity
- less storage
- Ram Promaster
- more 4-seasonish
- rugged, but 4x4 or AWD not necessary
What does your dream rig look like ?
I recently placed an order on Thor Sequence A20 with pop-top, and solar panel.......hope to see you soon after June!
With the demand of Travado's, Winnebago PROBABLY has gone in full 24/7 production with cheaper, easier manufacturing and products....it certainly is a step down from your van...which I love....thanks again for all the tours at the RV show...I didn't have to get off the couch or miss a golf game...hahaha
Glad you didn’t miss a golf 🏌️ game !!
Lack of puzzle bed is a big downgrade in versatility.
Agree with you!
I am very disappointed with Winnebago at this moment
understood...
Regression with a larger price! So Sad!
thx Larry
This layout will cause me to keep looking. I’m aiming to go back to travel nursing in 2022 and was considering a Travato 59GL but with the extra bedding area in the front. If I wanted a rig that sleeps only two adults, It wouldn’t be this new Travato at all. And the new smaller bathroom is a definite negative. These two items (extra sleeping and larger bathroom) were the entire reason I was aiming for the Travato 59GL...So sad about these changes:-( And thank you for the video Scott...It was great like all of your videos.
Thanks for that N & J
Very disappointed in what they did. As the “leader” and #1 class B models they have opened the door to competition. It’s very hard to understand that real users would provide feedback that produced these changes. To me, it looks like they wanted to go cheaper and increase margins which never produces longterm gains. Not having the extra sleeping area makes no sense. Let’s see if they can fix this for 2022-2023.
With you all the way,
Have they given you feedback on why the changes to layout and quality? I thought water capacity and other upgrades would have been on the list.
so now you can bring 2 people with you that have no place to eat or sleep. horrible
LOL... WORSE is bring 4 people with you but only sleep 1... AND everyone has to use a public toilet facility because !
Thanks for the walkthrough. Travota was on my shortlist but not anymore. So many things wrong with the new design. They are going cheap with the new design. Nothing is innovative about this rig. Bathroom is horrible, dinette area is a downgrade. Coachman have a much better quality class B just my opinion. Seems like more for less in term of cost. Cost more for less lol
sorta have to agree with your points. Coachmen is a beauty
@@gosmall.livelarge definitely a downgrade from your rig. Does the 2022 cost more? They need to drop the price down to 100k. Out the door 85k then I would consider. Wishing thinking but no way I would pay the over 100k for this rig.
@@gosmall.livelarge when is your coachmen beyond walkthrough going live?
I'm not a fan of the living room area - they put in highway-legal seats to carry up to four people but removed the bed so the van only sleeps two. I'd much prefer the bench style seat that the earlier models have. A better work area for us remote workers. TV placement is odd. Better if there was a fold down option between the driver and front passenger seat for it - then you can comfortably watch from the liv room area and bed. Or just remove it and add a spot for a mini projector and a pull screen by windshield. I think the 18 gallon FW tank is the Achilles heal of the Travato. I'd love to see someone magically expand that and add recirc system for the bath sink/shower. And why is the kitchen sink not undermount? So easy to to do.
I was noticing that 18 gallons too. The one thing that desperately needs boosting went untouched.
GOOD POINTS
Scott can you do a video where you install a Pioneer system in the dash of your Travato please! This model can never be as homey as yours. The color of the wood and the grain looks cheap. The dinette has been ruined. Looks like race car bucket seats, can't sit in the middle at all. Does your model really have a kitchen window where if you leave it open the sliding door would hit it? Ouch that seems crazy. Really like that they removed the outside speakers that was so 1980's. Is there no Jensen in the new model? It really is not needed. In our K the speakers are so awful so we use a Sony Bluetooth speaker. We pull out the TV and set it on top and that works great. Thanks for being at the RV show we miss them so much.
Hi TCC... no plans to modify the chassis dash with alarm systems nor stereos. Thx for comments
Looks like the changes were made to speed up construction and assembly time. really a downgrade
Thx Ken
I think they are going Cheap cutting corners it’s interesting some of us are in the plus size and Winnebago is going smaller and smaller I think Winnebago is focusing more on their more expensive models and is letting the Travato die as I said a million times no innovation no imagination ... I’ve been looking at a TH-cam Channel that shows off the European models and they are SOOOO different and cooler .. We are on the hunt of a B van and it’s not going to be Winnebago that’s for sure .. Great videos Scott as always and thank you for looking out and using a mask it sucks but safety first..
The European models are light years ahead of ours! That's why I snagged a Hymer Aktiv - best quality B class van on the market but sadly US operation died out (but I hear it's being resurrected as Hymer USA out of Indiana while maintaining German built quality)
Yikes
@@gosmall.livelarge hey Scott good evening Look up the TH-cam Channel The German Channel and you’ll c what I’m talking about
Nope. They went backwards. Awful changes to the bathroom especially. 👎🏼
Thx Gypsy!
Wow new 2022 really sucks... 2020.5 was excellent 59GL model... what happened? Having 2nd puzzle bed was perfect for having guests over... 😥 sad...
Agree. Hoipefully they reconsider
Nope. Looks really cheap
With you on that
i like your's Winnebago ....... i think it is more comfortable .... they messed up big time for this new design
Agree with you
WOW!!! They really screwed up the bathroom. The bathroom was the best feature of the previous gen 59g/gl.......
Agree with you
Hard corners, square edges, irregular floor, ... It all says cheap, not quality.
Yeah, you made some good points. Thx for commenting !
Seems really disappointing in all the ways you’ve noted.
Thx Kathi... sorry to be negative on their effort, but lots of changes that wouldn't work for me and many (as it turns out)
They WRECKED it!
truth
'Progress' even though this is 'new' is not necessarily better in my opinion. As a single senior woman, I would prefer a larger bath and I'm only 5'2" so for a tall male this would not be practical, and I would prefer a smaller mattress, thus larger storage in back. And putting all the dials on over the sliding door has eliminated a possible use of storage space/shelf. Thank you for the comparison tour.
GLAD IT HELPED!
I feel like I’d snag on everything
Total agreement
So glad I have a pre 2022 G. Losing the puzzle bed, the inadequate table, the leg on the bed limits what the garage can carry, the loss of bathroom height, the protruding drawer pulls, the visuals of the murphy bed when up is not appealing, loss of storage under the murphy bed. The cabinets look cheap. The water tank is smaller. Can't imagine what WGO was thinking on this one.
Thx Diane
Great summary of issues with the new model. It also appears the new water system requires the back door to be open to use/service/access. - Just crazy unless I'm missing something.
@@stevebritt the water tank inside wont freeze!
@@stephenbritt6557 I might just my new WBC to a homeless!
@@stephenbritt6557 nothing was explained to me when I purchased my 2022 GL.no one knew anything about it at the Dealership. (Not good business). I was told,
1. turn the inverter on that's all you need to be concerned about. 2. Turn it off when not in use.
What a price to pay!
I always like your honest unbiased opinion !
Thx EP… trying to keep it real.
Whoa! Not smart Winnebago. This layout looks cheap compared to the 2019 Travato GL!!! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING???
I have to ask the same question
Only change I like is the kitchen faucet..... not a fan of pop-up faucet. Great video's.
Fair enough!
This van happens when you design by committee.
Committee and bean counters !
Nope.
Yep!
Why no Volta?
Volta Pure3 is an option. That 59G model at the RV SuperShow did not have Volta.
Usually try to look at the bright side but I’m having trouble finding it...
Me too... hate raining this parade but have to keep it real
Thumbs down! I love the original 59G floorplan but would not purchase this version.
right?! I’m in line with your thinking
Not a fan.
thx for commenting
Wow! They sure have went up in price. I believe the 59GL is close to $180,000 now!
On the MSRP, yes.
If they wanted to make some worthwhile changes, try bigger holding tanks.
Truth... less storage and more tank capacity would be nice.
Winnebago REALLY messed this one up. Boooo, hisss! They better go back to the drawing board.
Hope WGO is taking your feedback BobbyJ
I just agree with Scott on all this
thx for sharing
I see this rig as a one year model and it’s gone..... JMHO! Perfect for a mini person like myself but looks cheaply made and over priced!!!! Not a fan...but good video Scott!!!!
Right on
This means no 2022 Travato for me. Waiting for you to sell yours 😜
LOL… good to know I have a buyer if/when Lilly his the market.
Is it still a gas stove?
New Travato 59G I think comes with propane and the GL comes with induction. At least that is what I have been told.
Missed the boat totally...that's what success and greed does...cheaping out. I think the drawers are stapled and glued. Coachmen is the new Class B in town!
We shall see
Some of the cabinets look like they store nothing. Everything looks cheap. The bathroom is obviously for shorter people.
interesting observations
I really like the GL. But two things suck about it. I’m 6’1 so the bathroom is out. And I can’t stand the chassis. I wish they’d make a Ford transit travato. 👎🏼
good to know
Your older Travato is so much better than this new model , what was Winnebago thinking ??
Right?!
I agree, the design mistakes really negate any improvement made, it's really too bad. Let's hope they're already redesigning for 2023 and beyond! Thank you for the video.
I like your thinking
Looks like typical Winnebago to me.... uncomfortable seating, unusable tv placement and cut corners everywhere possible for the same price you can get another brand with quality.
Fair points Faith !
Cheap looking wood/cabinet works,not even close to European RV,s, winnebago has a talent how to screw up everything, those knobs, laughing matter
Interesting points Z S
This layout feels cramped with the bed down, and really for only 1 person now right? hmmm...
great points !
Thumbs down. The flex seating and small bed is what was nice about the old version. Oh and a 5’10 shower height? Really?!
right !
I don't like the changes they've made. I'll have to look for a used 2019 model.
Totally understand. Thanks for sharing
We will be picking up our 2023 59 G in about a week. We purposely waited for the major upgrade : 9 speed automatic transmission, keyless entry and start, electronic steering ( no hydraulic), sensors and camera's throughout the rig, Sumo springs standard, new front end look. Its supposed to get up to 23 MPG now with the new tranny.
Great job !
They ruined it. I would never pay 116k and without volta. No way. POS. You could get a class C for this price on a sprinter with new safety equipment.
Hey David. Volta is still an option on the Travato, but the floor plan changes are like WOW! bad IMHO
Appreciate this fair, honest review highlighting both good and bad points of the new model. As a long time G owner, your comments are particularly valued and instructive. Nice to see a review by an experienced owner that is not drinking the fandom KoolAid.
Fair enough Roger!!! Like many, I want to see the 59G flourish in a see of me-too K-style floor plans.
After seeing this i am more determined NOT to go with Winnebago. I’m looking at the Coachmen right now. Mainly for their quality cabinets and insulation.
Coachmen is making a fine RV these days
All (No)WIN accomplished was to drive up the value of previous year Travato's!
They pulled the same thing with the "Class A" Skinny Winnies (Via and Reyo) by eliminating the dual pane windows. That was a deal breaker for me.
Time to check out the Coachmen NOVA!
yes!
Can’t believe Winnebago makes the newer model of Travato worse than the older/current model. Not a big fan of water hookups are all inside. Don’t like they made bathroom smaller.
I’m with you George
Not a fan of the changes they have made to the G floor plan. If I bought a Travato it would have to be a 2019, or 2020 with the Volta system. I think they took a step backwards!
appreciate your comments
Terrible. Hate the removal of the 2nd bed. And putting the water inside definitely would make filling more annoying especially if you have bikes or other things on the rear.
Only plus is the induction cooktop.
Hate the rest of the changes
Good points M M
You were in Florida, lane of the free. Take the mask off.
masks required at the RV show in Jan 2020. Masks still required in Oct 2021 in much of CA and OR currently
The bathroom situation makes the headroom even worse for me. I thought this was a dumb "upgrade" the moment I saw the Winnebago video announcing this.
agree with you
I prefer the old G floor plan. I liked the big table and the extra bed among other things.
truth
I'll have to pass on this. Why didn't they do a "Euro cassette toilet" Also use the double-pane euro windows that flip out from the bottom? Lastly, have the CEO sit in the bench seat for 3-5 hours and see if he /she likes it. As for the RAM vs FORD in safety features RAM lags behind Ford. Since I suffer from PTSD/TBI as a result of my injury in Iraq, I must have those "Safety Features" when driving.
CEO tush test !!
Not impressed. This is the cheapest-looking $118K vehicle I've ever seen, actually. The cabinets look like particle board. The seats look hard and uncomfortable. The bed is ugly and looks like it was an after-thought, and not being able to standup in the bathroom is just bizarre. And do I understand you have to open the rear doors to fill water? Really? Weird. If Wal-mart sold an RV, it would be the Travato. Ugh.
thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Ick.
man of few words, but well said.
My puzzle bed is the best guestroom ever not to mention an excellent gathering spot for cards. Without that and the roomy, wonderful bathroom, the new G is not a winner! Love my 2017! When the time comes for a new B, it won't be this one. Thanks for the tour.
Thanks for sharing Nancy
Total disaster, almost bought a 2017 59G, this looks like they made alot of mistakes, sales will drop even in hot market, Solis is now the one to get PX.
Solis PX is cool. Was thinking of releasing a tour video on that rig too.
If you have problems in that bathroom, a normal guy who is not as thin as you will find the bathroom unusable.
Winnebago had the only usable floor plan for doing office work out there... and they ruined it.
Wonder if Sportsmobile or a custom van maker can do the ok’d school plan.
Definitely a thumbs down.
Apprecaite that !
No sir, not impressed. Going to have to look for a used Travato when I go to buy my van.
Yeah... I get it
I so wanted the 2020 layout with the two bed design with the ultra quiet onan generator & larger frig. They lost me as a customer. Nothing like “improving” a design to the point it doesn’t sell as well. Not to mention all of the connections behind a closed/locked door.
yeah, they made some missteps for sure.
that seat is weird looking .. i don't like it it at all... i only like the lagoon table but everything else sucks... horrible whoever did this should be fired
thx for watching
👎👎 You would think for the cost of these rigs, the improvements from one year to another would be significant and and improved. I would like to see a Winnebago spokesperson or dealer take us thru this.
That would make an interesting video. They may never talk to me again though!
Too bad I preordered it last summer with a 5k non-refundable deposite. How hard is it to modify adding a front bed with a sturdy table ?
good question that I cannot answer. 2022 model so vastly diff than the previous with many deficiencies in many minds. Excted you made a move forward!
This is trash. Add the exterior water inlet and put the 4 inches back in the bath. Us left handed people need the elbow room to wipe! Clearly it's designed for the 100% boondocking crowd. Maybe it will be labeled as the b/bl lol
LOL Brian ! thx for your points
You showed the water connections INSIDE the back door, but didn’t say how they get the hoses up in side the van while the doors or closed !
How the heck does that work ?!
without a inlet through the floor that I noticed to thread hoses through I think one opens the door to fill the tank, disconnect, and close the door.
One thing I noticed... it seems the new location for water inlets means you have to have your back door open to fill tanks. Is that correct? Not a fan of that.
Also, if you notice at 14:38, their brochure seems to show the drivers seat turned around so the table can be used. So I guess if you need a table, you are required to turn the drivers seat?
Wouldn't this mean passengers couldn't use the table if you are driving?
Be seeing you!
yes on the water. Lagune table can be used by spinning seat around or using the provided “bench” seats. Buy another Lagune table for two tables i guess to seat more people at a table.
What I like:
The bench by the door is gone, making the interior roomier up front
The automotive style seats, as long as more padding is added to them. They don't look very comfortable they way they are now
The smaller table issue can be resolved by using a second Lagun table on the passenger side if needed
Wider bed for couples
Getting rid of the shower floor pump
What I dislike:
This is a deal breaker for me. No exterior connection for water hose and cable/satellite hookups. Or is there an opening somewhere and I didn't see it in the video? If not, what was Winnebago thinking? No way will I consider buying an RV that you have to use the water pump at all times and refill the tank when city water is available. Same goes for having to run coax cable through a window or the rear door molding
Price. Winnebago is pricing itself out of the B market. Newcomers such as Coachmen and Thor are offering a lot more for the buck. For the price, Pleasure Way offers much nicer and better built units
The bed frame color is unattractive, it looks like it came from a prison
I don't care much for the W door latches on the cupboards. They look cheesy.
great points !
I think a few of their designers moved over to Thor.
LOL :)
This is a no for me. 😕
Sadly, I agree with you Richane.
Overall it's still a winner, the only nuance would be the interior. Looking at the underside of the bed would get tiresome although it would be down most of the time 4 me. The front lounge has lost some of it's charm & finnish, not in need of extra bed, so the extra room is inviting. Water connection might be somewhat of a nuisance The overall 59g new/old is still hard 2 beat, it's hard 2 find the perfect class B ( I hate propane) .... TY 4 the video
you are welcome
Definite "fail" for me.. if you are going to lose the extra sleeping area upfront then a Panoramic RV has a much better floorplan.
thx Anita !