Mini Excavator vs Skid steer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ธ.ค. 2018
- As a first piece of equipment where should a guy invest his money? In a Mini excavator or a skid loader. We put them toe to toe doing 3 common tasks to see how they perform against each other.
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I started with a shovel and bad sunburn.
Same
Only a shovel for me though
Yup
Same
Same
no comparison...they each can do what the other can't...mini ex cab dig staright down...skid can level dirt/sand/gravel etc. more efficiently...my opinion is they make an awesome team
Paul Gilbert you can get a pretty decent backhoe attachment for a skidsteer still can't go as big as a mini but if you only could get a skidsteer that attachment is better than nothing.
@@SKC640 cool ty for the info
More efficient depending on situation. Grading can be faster with a mini ex and ditch bucket I some scenarios
The skidsteer can't dig trenches as precisely and is not designed for digging trenches
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Best thing is to have both but choosing only one should be an excavator. Buy a mini ex + a dump trailer= PROFIT
I just got a 305e2, and just ordered the CAT Skid Steer coupler... So I can use a Skid Steer bucket, forks, ect.. (thats all I bought). Have the Mini, looking for the Truck.. The mini with Skid Coupler can do skid steer work, just not fast.... BUT i can do it, and better than what I just saw. Might have to make a video... Oh, when I buy my Skid Steer, I already own the forks, a bucket ect.. Win Win
I’m currently at the T/L/B stage and I feel like making that unit perform and learning on inferior equipment makes you a better operator when you get into a dedicated machine. Great Videos!!!
TRACTOR LOADER BACKHOE for me, in Minnesota it’s a year round tool.
I’ve got a KUBOTA BX23S and it mows grass, digs trenches, grades driveways, cuts brush, grapples fire wood and snowblows and plows. One machine does it all. I love it!!!
Great video! I like to see machines work.
Thank you !
I started with a TLB and I learned how to grade with the TLB. I even finished up a Airport with a TLB grading around Runways and Taxiways. It also had a set of pallet forks. It is about manipulating the weight of the TLB to get it to do what you need.
There better when they work together.
I run equipment as well but love watching others. I’ve learned a lot just from watching others operate so I say let it play !!!
I think it depends on what type of work you do. For instance I’m into building and remodeling. We do a lot of additions and decks. I was having to subcontract out my light excavation. It always seemed like a headache to get the timing right and it was costing me more on my bottom line. I bought a mini excavator this spring and I pretty much had it pay for itself this summer by doing my own excavation. So next summer that’s a 100% profit in my pocket. I most likely buy an skid loader next summer. But my point is you need to figure out what will fit your needs the best.
Man I’ve been debating this for months. I feel the same way. Don’t have any experience with “heavy” equipment and I wanted to buy an excavator and a skid for the same reason you just explained. I’m happy to hear it worked out for you
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The machines definitely compliment each other. At the same time, the operators level of experience matters too
Thats obvious but which one do you buy FIRST so you can afford the other? That is the balancing act of building your business.
of course. but also it depends what the job is. the skid loaders going to be faster sometimes. the excavator can do things a skid steer cant do.
Love these videos! This will be my 3rd year landscaping. I use a Mahindra TLB now and looking to go skid or mini this year. This answered a few questions for me!
Thanks!!
Awesome to hear that Aaron, hope you have a great third year!
ive been opperating equipment for many years and ive been landscaping since i was 15 but i still enjoy watching videos of it all because maybe ill learn something new.
Great video! It depends on what you are doing. A drainage contractor might might want a min excavator. A general landscaping company might want a skid steer and rent a min x when they need one. It all depends on where you are, and what you are doing! Up north, dirt and snow- skid first
Down south, clay and more clay- skid, or min x.
Thank you !
I have owned a Gehl 5635 skid, Case 1845C skid, and now have a John Deere CT322. I also own a IHI mini-ex. my property is a 106 acre steep mountain side property in Oregon coastal mountains. Between my general contracting business and home. I would saying I am able to make 6x-10x time income with my CT322 but that is because of the attachments I own. 6' foot brush hog $185.00-$235/hr land clearing and mowing, extreme root grapple, pallet forks, 1/2 yard bucket with removable digging bar teeth, and my favorite attachment is the ABI SR3.
I have own and sold my Bradco 609 backhoe skid-steer attachment with 3 bucket sizes. The hoe attachment are terribly clumsy, terrible to store, terrible to move around on the job site, terrible to transport from down the road from job to the yard. for the $12,000 price look for a used mini excavator you will be much happier.
Around the house and farm the mini-ex get used 80% with the jobs I do for the land management, digging pond, trenches, cleaning ditches, building new access roads, taming slopes, culverts, and digging stumps ect. On my Job sites the Track-steer is used 80% of the time with the exception of the trenches and footings for the mini-ex.
Gehl are turds, they still use oil cooled engines? Lol and chain drives? Omg I used a Gehl for 1 snow storm yrs ago, I never offered to help again after that night, what a POS
My uncle started with a TLB like a lot of other people. He has been in business for many many years also and does also recommend the TLB for beginners. The first piece of construction equipment I ever ran was his TLB and I didn't hate it.
Long or time lapse is awesome cause it shows planning and maneuvers of the machines to beginner operators. The best skills of the trade are the ones you share.
Oh, and watching guys spin circles on any track machine drives me insane. In rock or gravel, it is super hard on them especially so on rubber tracks
Add a rounded bucket of 0-3 and 0° turning pad loaded with large boulders and sharp sticks all while keeping the machine in rabbit. WE GoT OurSELVES AN Operrratoorr here
Disclaimer This video for entertainment purposes only
I love the videos, but my toddler now has his favorite show. He is always excited to watch loaders and excavators. Love the extended sequence.
Interesting video. Both skid loader and mini excavator have there special purpose. And both are really handy machines to have. If starting out with a single machine I would go with a backhoe loader
Is it the first time the guy operated the mini, about as smooth as an earth quake and I can’t figure out the way he approaches the dig. It’s frustrating to watch him and he’s slow and untidy
Track loader wins all day just because it is so versatile. The amount of attachments are endless making it capable of doing anything. Jack of all trades and master of 1.
This was a super cool video, I am in between both pieces of equipment right now to level my slopped backyard-
Also- that attachment chews up trees like if they were nothing lol
Thanks Anderson !
Hello I'm an idahoan from Idaho and watch your videos every day even re watch and I love when you show equipment in action
Awesome! Thanks for watching !
I started out 2 year's ago with a jcb 214 backhoe. I love the backhoe, but im definitely ready for a skidsteer and a min excavator.. But grateful for the jcb. It got me started.. Thanks for the video. I loved it..
You're welcome Dave , congrats on 2 years! Thank you for watching
I used a skid steer to trench for years, even in heavy clay. Actually does a nice job creating a level bottom trench.
wish I could have seen that so I learn from you! Mine is always consistent...... Consistently ROUGH!
Longer sequences with voiceover or pip explanations of simultaneous views :) Love the channel. Thank you for making them.
Thanks for the support !!
Good breakdown of the pros and cons of both. Gotta have both in my opinion 😊
Always fun to bring equipment off the flatbed
Yep, thanks for watching !
I always love your videos but in this instance I think having the right attachments would have had a different outcome in the contests. Should have had a 4’ bucket for the mini x and a root grapple for the skid and they both would have done much better. I believe the mini x is the best first machine. Just my opinion. Still love the video. 👍
One of my favorite videos you have done. well done!
Thanks so much, really appreciate it !
Thanks for the video! Any thoughts for working on sloped terrain? Need to put in fence posts, grade paths and do general forestry clean up on varied terrain.
id love to see long equipment running videos love all your videos either way but love seeing the equipment work since i'm out of the game now :(
Thanks King Kobra!
Love these vids...I'm saving up for a skid steer... Right now all I have is a 74 Chevy 3500 dump truck and shovel and pick... But getting the jobs done
Thank you!!
A backhoe loader in the best all rounder should have done a 3 machine comparison
More machines working please and do like more long demos on latest equipment
Good vid, got the info I needed. Thanks guys
Living in NH with some big hills on the property. A mini ex and a tractor for me. I wouldn’t dare drive a skid loader on my slopes
You need the both of them if just had to choose I would have to go with excavator
You should check out the hybrid ones that's a cross between a mini and a skidsteer its a pretty cool set up I think in the future when its refined more they will be everyone's first pick.
Let’s see skid steer with different buckets like rake bucket for the roots and backhoe attachments
I love the videos and they help me so much to find tools I could use for different things
That's good to hear Logan, thank you !
Great video! I bought a Gehl 4835sxt years ago for work around my house. Got lucky on a John Deere harley rake and a preperator for 3k for both back in 2008, when times were slow. Started getting people wanting some work done a couple of years ago here and there. Decided to add a brand new Kubota KX040-4 and now I'm turning work away. I only do side work because I have a full time job at a car factory, but I'd say they work like yeng and yang together. Love the channel. Love theses comparison videos and the trade show ones too.
One thing I saw was the lack of use of the blade on the mini-ex. When he moved the pile of dirt to the center he could have pushed a large portion of it into place as he repositioned. Also on the land clearing it would have been interesting to see the difference in blading vs digging out the palmettos. I guess that’s just me though because I got started on a dozer.
My exact thoughts. This video made me cringe.. I could have moved that pile with the mini x almost as quick as the skid.. helps having dozer experience and a good operator
Wow, never seen a chipper/shredder like that at the end.
Both machines are great. It all boils down to what you need out of a machine. I personally think all around machine especially if you take on jobs of all sorts is hands down definitely the skidloader. There's almost a attachment for any job that you'd ever want to take on. The quality of the work and time to get it done depends on how well the operator knows their machine and attachments capabilities. My hat off to operator's that know how to operate through the use of feel instead of only GPS or sensors because your a true operator.
I started with a skid but quickly bought a mini. They each have their strong points.
after 30+ years we still dont have a full size skid but have everything else
Skid with a few key attachments
Get a decent backhoe attachment for the skidsteer and a guy could do quite a bit.
Sam klien agreed on that .. 11ft bucket attachment.
Teeth bucket, guick spade, forks, and done...
Swing arm backhoe, tooth bucket, root grabber rake, auger, fork, hydraulic breaker
@@steveheilman2925 I've a gheil with forks, tooth bucket, smooth bucket, power broom, snow blower, and backhoe attachments. Still wish I had a mini with a blade for most of the real digging stuff.
Love to see more equipment running
Thanks John!
Every machine has its positive and negatives. I’m also contemplating which one I want as well. 12k mini-ex with a 4’ low pro bucket with a smooth edge is a pretty dangerous combo we use at my work a lot and it really bridges the divide between the two machines. But I’m also doing a lot work in tight quarters and a lot of the time we just load straight into a truck because we don’t have room to stockpile or loose dirt somewhere. I instantly was going to go Skid steer but it got me thinking for sure.
Buy a good used TLB with quick attachs on both ends and rent the other pieces as needed until you can afford to buy them.
Need a 4 in 1 bucket for that skid
I run a ditch witch xt850. It's small for alot if things but it's very handy for others.
I just bought my 1st machine and its a Yannar Vio-35 6A mini-x. But thats because I do phone/fiber placement that require's mainly trenching. If not for that I would have to say a skid loader every time. Great comparison .
18" Deep!!!! We have to go down 42" here to get below frost line (I live at 7000' in the Colorado Rockies)
Hi based in ireland, No one runs a skid steer, every one runs a mini excavtor along with aarticulated mini dumper. i higher standard of work can be achieved with a excavator and we move soil with a low cost mini dumpers .
Thanks for sharing Willie!
Same here in Denmark. If not a mini dumper then a motor wheel berrel with tracks.
Cool brush shredder in background glad you showed it working
Great information love this video we have both and could not do without either you need the skid steer and the mini x to stay ahead of demand for work 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
They compliment eachother... not compete with.... 2 totally different machines for 2 totally different purposes. Also your operators blow
My 12 year old can run the skidsteer better than this guy and tears up the ground less than half as much. Spinning on axis is the absolute worst thing to do with skidsteer also, destroys the internals on the undercarriage. Definitely meant to compliment each other
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@@JustMe-999a So if he's a douche bag for expressing his opinion, I guess that makes you one as well.
@@ClinttheGreat nope. Just you.
I love my mini skid steer! I started with it and grossed over 350k in 1 year my new toy is a mini x now! IN 1 MONTH MADE 10K WITH IT! Id start with a skid steer (mini) for residential work
You made that much renting it or using it
Recently we needed a new septic drain field, they did the job with a late model TLB/4wd. 2 guys less than a day. Soil conditions were similar to beach sand. They had a track skid on site to skim out top soil at the end. TLB seemed like the right tool.
I want to see more equipment work in your videos i find it interesting to watch equipment work all day
Thanks for the feedback Ryan !
Personally if I have compatible-equipment I would attach a excavator arm to the skid steer.
Those suck
WITH THE NICK Jcb 1cx
Take a look at the Mecalac MCR machines (6, 8, or 10t). There’s your Two in One.
I was thinking something more like an attachment like those bushwhackers, forks, buckets,etc...those are good ideas but the jcb 1cx cant lift up itself up with its back hoe bucket but the front can. And the Mecala MCR is more of a mini excavator, but they are good for saving money instead of buying two different vehicles, and are good for small projects.
Useless! Waste of time and money. At that point u might as well buy a worn out backhoe from a town lol
Howdy, hard choice but minie ex.
Yes I love watching this from beginning to end!! I feel like you can get a better feel of the equipment!!
Thanks a lot for watching Jeff!
Stanley "Dirt Monkey" Genadek , this episode helped me a lot!! Before the pandemic hit I was close to buying used, some of the private owners had cheaper prices but stuff they were selling was risky at best!!
I started with a case 850B with a 4 in 1 bucket (45,000 lb) and a dump truck. Purchased for a specific job of moving a hill of 20,000 cubic yards of dirt. Now that I am retiring and doing fun projects for myself and family, I am getting a mini-excavator with a thumb that I can haul around easily on my utility trailer. Being able to get into tight places and work without making a huge mess is really nice.
I'd like to watch the entire sequence to learn what I can and see mistakes as they occur.
I’d like To see this test with a mecalac versus owning these 2 cats. Compare price and transport and labor as well.
TangledUp WithCombs agreed but I would add a JCB 1CXT
I agree, would love to see a Mecalc in this same test....A wheeled mecalac, you can drive to the site, it's much faster than any tracked machine to move around and with 3 steering modes, allows great flexibility for moving or repositioning the machine and you don't mess up the ground like tracked machines do. the 3 piece boom allows for farther and closer working range which means less moving the machine. A mecalac is certainly much better than a TLB, but it's also 4x as expensive. its lifting and breakout force is far superior to any excavator or skidsteer in its weight class due to excellent geometry and mechanical/hydraulic design. One thing I don't like about the Mecalac is how loud it is specially when reved up, not sure why they don't use a quieter engine. Also, it is not as efficient as a dedicated loader when it comes to loading or moving material. Another downside is that the controls are completely different and very specialized so there's a learning curve...not a good thing if you have multiple operators, but not a problem if you're an owner/operator. Another advantage is that you can tow a dump trailer with it which allows you to carry all your attachments to where your need them and move dirt longer distances than just 20 or 50 feet. Another great thing about the mecalac is that you can also grab all your attachments backwards which allows more flexibility and opportunities with all your attachments. Unfortunately, the 11MWR that I wanted was going to cost me $250k for the machine plus another $100k for all the attachments....but it's a dream machine...some day.
We just got a mini excavator last year after 3 years full time demolition. Prior to that, only had a skid steer. For demolition. The point is, there's nothing you can't do with any machine if you're a good enough operator.
Yo this video is great I really wish I could drive a skid steer one day I alway love your vids Stan keep it going
Thank you , plan on it !
The fella in the skid steer needs more experience.
Interesting viewpoints. Down here (NZ) I would say excavators outnumber skid steer by a significant margin, with the latter mostly being on building sites to move material.
Last related company I worked for had, with normal replacements taking into account, at least 20 excavators in their fleet from 1.3T to over 20T (over that, they'd just hire for the specific job)and NO skid steers, because they were not suitable for the work. All had trench, rock and weed (the larger, wide ones for loose material) buckets and some had picks for hard materials, etc. With quick hitches/couplers on all but the lightest machines, swapping out buckets was a speedy affair and so there wasn't really an issue with a small bucket limiting material transfer - and, remember, buckets are normally reversable for cleaner material pick up. There was a comment made about forks for the s/steer for shifting pallets, but they are also available for most excavators or, as we did for some special tools, make a set up - otherwise use strops, as we generally did.
Oh, forgot, we did have a couple of small, articulated loaders for when there was a fair bit of material to be moved and, when there was a LOT of earthworks involved, we either hired machines or sub-contracted the work out.
In the end, might simply come down to personal preference - and, perhaps, if s/steers are so common you could look at an excavator and do subcontract work for those who don't have one but still find it more economical to have someone do it faster and neater than have an operator in a s/steer messing around? Get on-line and check out some of the attachments available for each machine - you may be surprised just what is available for each, like rock breakers, auger drives for pilings/fencing, etc. that can add to the revenue earning potential of the machines.
Oh, and check out the Duckgirl videos - wheeled rather than tracked, but same operating principle.
Lastly, who the heck gave the thumbs down?
Thanks for watching !
I started with a bobcat e20 mini excavator in hopes to purchase a skidsteer or ctl in the next few years
Well, I just purchased a 3025E Deere. Really hard to beat the 0% financing with all the attachments and the lower cost. That paired with the dump trailer paid with cash I am hoping to increase my lawn business to more landscape. Been researching my county/state laws and it looks like I would need a contractors license to start any type of hardscape. Seriously thanks for this channel, it's helping a lot.
Happy to hear that and thanks for watching !
buy a tractor, then a mini skid, then a mini ex. then a full skid. Best way to grow into what you got
Mimi loader, mimi ex, compact loader, back -hoe.
The mimi loader saves the most money on labor. And compliments the mimi ex amazingly. Plus it stops the beginning guys from getting in over there heads and the mini loader can do so much.
everybody doesn't have all that money...lol
Need some decent operators lol
Exactly
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^ expert operators. Funny how they pop up it of nowhere.
Hahaha agreed
You know, I was thinking that too, but this video is supposed to be people starting out which probably aren't masters at the machines.
I love it!!!! Long work to watch!
Thanks for watching !
Hands down make more longer videos 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 love your work mate 🤙🤙
Thank you Matthew!
Why not get an excavator attachment for a skid steer? Seems like the “best” of both worlds.
Because they suck
Randy Kirk not once did I say they were the most efficient pal, all I said was it’s work. Right or wrong?
@@bentodd3859 ya every piece of equipment in the world "works". Golden star for you. just stating a fact about them things
Randy Kirk sorry I don’t know the ins and outs of landscaping what I do is geared toward larger construction jobs with bigger equipment equipment for each specific task.
The guys that I know that have those pieces of garbage have them sitting in the backs of their yards. When they have that type of work they just call me now.
*VIDEO IDEA* What brand of equipment to buy if you wanna start your own business like case, cat, or JCB
JCB xD
Good idea Bradley, thank you !
Takeuchi digger, case tractor, cat skidsteer
Hitachi 😋
Value backup service over brand.
I have been thinking mini ex then skid
Thanks for comparison vid Stan. Can you please do a mini skid comparison vid. Cheers
Thank you Evan, will keep it in mind!
I started with a mini TLB and I still have it. I HATE IT!! BUT! It got me started!
I am 15 years old and I started on a Kubota l48 loader-backhoe
Work on getting a CDL and don't let the world stop you.
Awesome Isak, work hard and you will be successful!
Thanks Mr T
Lol also learned on an L48 they're great machines! Never got a lick of maintenance and never had a problem. Yeah they're not precise but I think the versatility of a tlb can't be beaten if you can only afford one machine. Can always rent a skid or mini but I don't think renting a tlb ever makes much sense. Not to mention some jobsites are so small it's only feasible to have one machine. Last of all nobody ever mentions how much less damage a tractor does to an established yard.
Get away from the loader backhoe and learn mini excavator and tracked skidsteers, and u dont move the dirt or trees with rear of any machine! Remember that! Treat the back of any machine like it's the front of your 50k $ car!
He was digging the entire time off the drive gears. Its excavator 101 to not dig over drive sprockets po ut 2 actual operators in the machines and it will be fair
and put the blade down for f sake when you dig...lol
Unreal interesting video... Thinking about it myself.
Your doing great dude!
Appreciate that Blake, thank you !
TWO DIFFERENT TOOLS
We all know this is just an excuse for a couple of buds to get together and play on some equipment. I would advise anyone who wants to buy equipment and get into the industry talk to someone and or read the comments below of people who own and have operated these two types of equipment and more to point you in the right direction. There is no one machine that does it all the most efficient at everything. Also renting is an option if you buy one and rent the others I get you have to be competitive in pricing but I do it time to time.
Noticed that differences in skill or experience of your two drivers made differences on each task. For my residential property I would easily go with the mini-x. Skid best at repetitive material movement. Nice vid. Like the equipment vids but you can mix in fast forwarding / normal / slo-mo with music to mix it up.
It’s definitely cool watching the real whole work
Step 1. Find “decent” operators
Step2. Get equipment
Step.3 etc
That was painful to watch two guys I have no idea how to run equipment making one hell of a big mess
Dennis Harvey exactly what I was thinking! Lol
@@belllpatrick For entertainment purposes only should have been a disclaimer at the beginning.
After years of only having a skid loader and now having a mini x and a Vermeer CTX 100 I don't know why we waited so long! You can do a lot with a skid loader, but having a mini just makes jobs go so much better
I started with a backhoe and im pretty happy with it. Its an old ford 555 and it does everything i ask of it.
If Travis could operate that excavator worth a damn... Why not ever use the damn blade?
lol
The guy on the mini needs some training, he should have it turned around and drop the blade while digging to steady the machine out.
Both machines have their strengths and weaknesses so I believe it really comes down to the condition of the property you have and what needs to be done. For me I'm hoping to purchase some virgin land in the future which will more than likely need tree felling, stump removal as well as road creation and site cleaning. I believe the mini ex is superior to get this work done, so I would most likely purchase that machine first. The skid loader would also be on my wish list so I would definitely try to acquire one soon after the mini ex purchase. With both these machines at my finger tips, it would make quick work at getting the property developed and ready for living in a short time.
you can get tons of attachments for a skid steer to help with all of this stuff. that is y I would pick a skid steer
You can also get a bucket buddy for your mini ex.
At least you pick to equal amateur operators.
Hahahah that was great, the more i watch this channel the more i see why hes focusing on TH-cam
A mini excavator can make you way more money than a skid. My skid is used for moving dirt and level the ground. This excavator operator is slow as fuuc lol
I started with TLB and then bought mini excavator 3 months ago. I’m now buying a skid steer as well. IMHO both are necessary
Overall I think that it depends on what sort of jobs you are doing such as digging out a trench or bringing in bulk goods to a site so I’d go for both of them in an ideal world