Biggest thing I saw is one operator is way better than the other. The approach he took to some of the challenges and how he moved material made for the win.
We had a 100HP ASV for REA Utility work we used to do way way north Alberta. The ASV kicked every other skid steer to the curb. We use to use CAT and CASE, replace both machines with the one ASV, production stay the same. They are the only machine if your serious that is. Great video, great test.
DM I really am enjoying all of your videos comparing equipment. Had no idea ASV was even still around! ASV was a trac machine before anyone even offered tracks on skid steers... love the videos, thanks for taking me along!
@rustytr How is there reliability though? I am seeing and reading bad reviews about how expensive they are to repair bc they break down more than other brands. Thanks.
guy in the cat looks like it was his first day operating a skid, also would like to see a cat with the asv track system compared to an asv, both seem like great machines though!
Dennis Cimaf sends a representative out to "tune" the head to each specific machine. So swapping it is not recommended. Plus to run that you need the polycarbonate door and FOPS!
@@TERRORoftheLORD I presume you mean installing a flow restriction fitting in hydraulic line to prevent the machine from "biting off more than it can chew" so to speak? I would think since Mr. Grenedek was comparing two machines of the same Hp rating it would be fair to put the same attachment on the "compared machine" with " no modification".
CAT 289D hydraulic HP is 62 GPM. ASV RT75 is 68 GPM (closer to 69 GPM). The numbers don’t lie. Plus, the ASV can run all day without overheating the hydraulics. Flow X Pressure/ 1714 I’ll take an ASV any day over the others.
Im not a huge fan of CAT but that ASV weighs about 1,300lbs less then the CAT and they both are at the same HP level. Its by nature going to be slower in movement & less responsive, its moving 1,300lbs more around the whole time. The CAT 259D is a more comparable machine. With that said youd think it would have been able to drag the ASV around when they were hooked up? Another fun video Stan! Well worth the watch!!
Cat also seems like it has way more weight in the back. Guess its designed for more weight to be put on the front and probably has more power dedicated to hydraulics. Just all a guess though.
I would imagine it has different hydraulic pumps as well but I’m not sure. In the weight and pulling test yes you’d think it should have pulled the asv then because of the weight. But keep in mind that asv’s track system has far superior traction especially on sand like that. Those tracks are incredibly grippy. There kind of 2 totally different machines for built for different purposes. Was an awesomely entertaining video though that’s for sure! Haha love it!
1300 lbs equates to more fuel to run the machine and more fuel to move it from job to job. If the ASV has the same productivity with less weight it means a money saver money maker for me.
ASV makes a solid machine. They are comfortable and have traction that is superior to most other brands. They were made for the forestry industry and to be used in remote situations where getting stuck or stranded could make or break you. I switched over this year from John Deere and the pros definitely out weigh the cons. My only real complaint is the visibility while using the forks attachment for delicate loads. Overall ASV is great. The Deere was also a solid rig and reliable just older. I've ran a few cats they were like Cadillac's on the inside with every bell and whistle. You definitely pay for that stuff I think a comparable ASV is more affordable and the new ones are very impressive.
Lol the rebuild and frequently required rebuild of ASV undercariage is insane. Nice when new but they become costly machines quickly. Il take the undercarriage of the cat
I have a cat 289C and have operated ASV as well. I will give it to the ASV as far as smooth operating ability. Visability out of the rear of my cat is fine. The bar does not bother me unless i am looking for airplanes. My only problems with ASV tracks is they are high maintanance. And even though they are lighter on their feet which has its advantages. Its a huge disadvantage in the snow.
What about vertical lift on the Cat vs non one ASV? Loading ten wheelers? Didn't Cat use to use the ASV style undercarriage and the replacement cost turned off customers? Performance when new was great but with age was scary expensive?
What I have found here, in North-East Iowa, is that Cat's skid steer service is spotty. If the "big" stuff is running your screwed on getting a skid steer serviced. The skid steers are Cat cheapest item so you can understand the focus. I owned an ASV 15 years ago. It was total junk. I know they redesigned them but I am still leery of the product. I know lots of folks talk up every other brand but I have owned about all of them and Bobcat still makes a pretty darn good product.
Hi Guys, Good video. I've been reading in the comments that alot of guys worry about the Plastic and rubber rollers on the ASV/Terex machines. You can buy all the Idlers and Bogies made from Alloy from Bair Products in Kansas. We found it much less expensive to run with no problems.
I’d really like to see what you think of a Kubota skid loader. Your mentioning that the cat has a lack of/slow power. I operate a kubota svl 65 and that thing is super smooth, lightening fast, responsive, and has tons of power. We use it for firewood production so it’s moving solid oak logs all day. The frosting on the cake is we have a great kubota dealer in our area as well
This is not a rip on the guys, but they both need more seat time in a skidsteer for this to be a fair test. Would of also been cool to see what machine could lift more. I enjoyed the video tho. the head to head push test was pretty cool. Keep up the good work!
@@highball7347 I have been around this stuff along time ,and just by watching these guys i can tell you they could use some more seat time in a skidsteer. They just did somethings that were inefficient. for example. @16:44 notice how he digs in to virgin ground coming down the pile? He has not developed a good enough feel for the machine to know where the edge of his bucket is at without seeing it. There are other things i noticed about both guys, but im not going to sit and pick them apart like that. im not saying they are bad operators by any means, just need more time.
It’s easy to make a machine look bad when you want too. Cat is by far the best machine, best service and hold their value far more than ANY other competitor
I beleive that but I've run case and deere nothing beats a cat or bobcat I used to have cats but I have one only me and the ceo son get operate and my helper the son of the company owner is very DEMANDING of equipment me have a new Komatsu pc88 with 200 hrs on doesn't have a straight piece of sheet metal on it so it's been sank 3 times in mud where it wouldn't rotate
Get all skid steers together, from all makes in the same horse power, then do test, because you can't put a shredding head against a bucket on land clearing test that's like putting a spoon against a track hoe. The other tests when the ASV has a bucket on was alot better.
The cat isn't highflow like the asv you can't run the mulching head on that cat. Cats don't make their machines high flow till 92hp asv are high flow at 72 hp and above.
Interesting,very well put together.We run Deere and never have tried a ASV.Kubota isn’t bad.We thought the Cat cab was small and hard to get in and out.
Bobcat has the same rear cross member as the cat, so it really isn’t worth continually commenting on. It’s how they accomplish their vertical lift geometry. Not a big deal. Cats problem is their rear end is significantly taller blocking all back and down visibility.
I have been looking at used skid steers at a big auction and I must say the ASV has the smoothest controls out of the all the ones I operated. They are just so smooth and feel great.
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Nothing against you guys but I have spent a long time running an ASV with a forestry head and you are being very unsafe around that. Those can pick up rocks and hurt and even kill people if they are hit by them. You shouldn't be walking around there when that thing is running and having another guy in a machine without the proper protective cage is dangerous.
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I demoed both asv and cat I went with a cat 289d3 over them all and I was super impressed with the new bobcat t76 or whatever it was awesome machine by the way dealer was the thing for me and not price also all within 5k of each other and I abused the hell out of each
Caterpillar Ford you're right as long as it doesn't burn down from the shitty wiring first. I do like the cats but have a neighbor with a big excavation company and has lost 2 new cats from faulty wiring. The first one he couldn't prove it was the machine so had to use his insurance but the second machine they stopped the fire in time and cat realized it was their fault. I do like that cat took full responsibility and replaced the second machine and covered all the cost and money lost from the first one that the insurance didn't cover actually they handled it so well I gained a lot of respect for cat when it happened. I am a bobcat guy myself but wouldn't think twice about buying anything cat because of Ziegler and all the dealer support.
If you haven't traded this thing in by 5 years, this probably isn't your primary business. These machine reach a BER point which is beyond economical repair. I get what your saying but if you're smart and this is your primary business, trade them out every 3 or 4 years utilizing the warranty. It's sad but these machines are disposable and take a hell of a beating, especially in the forestry business.
So even though the ASV has "way more power," it stalled in the dirt test, which is what I can't stand about ASV, they're gutless. The reason the Cat has the bar in the back is for the vertical lift feature. Good luck loading a full-size truck with the ASV. Also, don't bother using the ASV is gravel, because it will destroy that rubber and plastic roller system.
Exactly, love our CAT 287, but it chews off rubber wheels like its its job in stone or mud. Have to do wide 3 pts turns. We did steel wheels in back, but the idler wheels across bottom get replaced yrly
I think the stalking thing is the asv will deliver 100% power until it just stalls the engine. The cat starts to throttle the hydraulic pumps so it won’t stall the engine. (Like riding the clutch) someone correct me if I’m wrong but that’s what I’ve heard before from some people.
my opinion, cat and asv both have have good and bad points ,it also depends on the operator as well and how much experience they have. , but thats just my opinion
This is great stuff. As for Pickup trucks, I would tell you not to use them for plowing snow. Use construction or agricultural equipment for snow. Trucks were designed for payloads and towing, not pushing things. Even in my town, the DOT stopped using class 8 trucks with plows and now just uses Volvo wheel Loaders for snow. Even the heavy duty class 8 trucks were feeling the bad effects from plowing.
@@getsum697 Everyone that spends money on a machine is Biased and self justifies the purchase by convincing themselves that what they bought is the best. You see this in everything from trucks to equipment to tools. For equipment the best brand is whichever one has the best parts and service department in your area.
I hear you but after one hazelnut harvest I already know that I never want to use a Weiss McNair JD-40 ever again. Too bad my boss doesn’t like the cool Italian machines 🤷🏻♂️
I own an ASV RC60 now. I have driven all of them. New Holland, cats, takahuuuuachia, bobcasts etc. I will stick with the older versions of the ASV line. I work circles around everyone else. My partner has a bobcat and hell if you want to tear up someones yard while trying not to, use a bobcat T190 or t250 You will get that job done. I mostly do concrete demolition, if it is a slab in a back yard and we have to haul out over the lawn, we only use the ASV. Pushing piles of Dirt, ASV. One summer we had a t190 and a t250 and the ASV RC60. We only used the ASV. The electrical gremilins killed the 250 (electrical controls suck) and the 190 had a piece of gravel get in-between the frame and oil pan and wear a hole in the oil pan. We did not have time to pull the engine so it sat till winter. On the ASV we could have done it in an evening. Bobcat has made it hard to keep buying them. I have found the best thing for my production is to keep my older ASV working.
I think that may also be because like they said the cat does have a little delay and if you watch closely you can see that delay overall you can tell that the asv has a lot more power efficiency that the cat lacks
I never ran ASV but I can't stand running CAT skid steer anything! The cat is slow, clunky,jerky and prefer foot controls for the bucket /boom operation. Like older new hollands
Looks like the ASV has more hydraulic horsepower and the wider tracks sealed the Cats fate. As I see it, the ASV did lose the lift and dump head to head which surprised me. Was it just me or did the buckets look to be different sizes in that test?
I thought the ASV performed faster than the CAT. I have often wondered what a comparison between these 2 machines be like. Now I know. I used to own an MD-70, POSI-TRAC.
We have a 289D with a gyro trac 400 mulching head on it and it balances well, yes it’s a little ass heavy with just a bucket but full bucket or mulcher and it balances well. I would like to see the 277 against the ASV as they have the same style undercarriage.
So you're comparing open cab vs enclosed. Radial lift vs vertical lift. And 2 completely different track systems. Just because they're same horsepower let's compare them. BTW why try a 287D cat same track system as ASV. Surprised most of the time your videos aren't so off.
Compare the life and cost to replace the undercarriages. The Cat CTL will last longer and be cheaper per hour than the MTL undercarriage and can be used in less forgiving terrain.
What a great comment.......... He probably compared them because they were the two machines that were on that job site. Rent the two machines you want tested and send them to him I'm sure he will be happy to run the tests you want.
Interesting video. Now, it's not fully scientific as there are many variables, but I appreciate the effort to try and keep it as fair as possible by switching operators and using same size buckets. I also enjoyed the video from a purely entertainment aspect, so I rate it about 13 out of 7 hardhats.
When I need a skid steer or mini excavator it's a cat rental it's close to home comes on a trailer. 299 cat for 200 a day. 305 mini both cabbed for 250 sip fuel. And best part avail able. 24/7 with a quick call due to working relationship with rental dealer.
Not to bad of a video. I will say it's not just the machine its also the operator. Two different skill levels with them a good operator knows their rig very well. I'm not sold on the ASV I've ran em and cat. I'll still take a cat because I can make them dance around any other Skiddy.
I've always thought a typical skid steer dirt bucket was half a yard range. A brief search only turned up one yards in the light material bucket range. I may be wrong but I don't want people getting screwed but thinking their bucket is bigger than it is. Also can you explain how it's right to sell dirt By the ton...vs buy the yard...cause the amount of dirt in a yard is the same wet or dry. A ton with water in it in my mind would be less volume than a dry ton (rain storm vs drought) Just ranting from a guy who's local gravel pit went from selling by yard to ton and price doubled at least.
This was cool, I enjoyed it. I bet these opportunities don't come along very often, but what about putting the ASV against a Kubota, Deere, Volvo, Bobcat or a Takeuchi, then a 5-6 way test, That would really be something. JMO. Keep Em Coming.
Hey Stanley if you ever get the chance to come to Wisconsin you should check out delaneys surplus I know you would love it. It’s not any old surplus you could even make a video!
I would say this was a really cool video but the guys that's actually out there running these is where the honest reviews come through still a cool video no doubt about it 👊👊👊👍👍👍👍👍
Apples and oranges as far as the flotation of those two different track/drive systems. Cat is heavier in the rear no matter what, that being said the MTL Cat would have been a much closer comparison of flotation as it is the exact same drive system.
I ran a asv about a month ago it was new only 16 hours but I must say I went full throttle for week hauling and pushing dirt tried to stall it out and it took all i gave it and it was impressive never had a skid even twice the size put out the work I got from the asv
I'm on a big farm and we use two cat skid steers we have one 279D track and 262D tire rig and hands down cat is the winner with service and we had a ASV sr 80 before the cat and there service sucked and it was in the shop more than it did any work
It is well known in the industry that the asv style undercarriage has more flotation. Cat sales their version and clearly markets it as the major difference as well. The standard undercarriage on that 289 is more rugged, and cheaper to replace, but less flotation. Not an apples to apples comparison, as I think the 259 cat would be more comparable, but close. I have a 299d2 and love it. I like the way the new asvs are going and hope they continue to do well.
The guy running the cat makes me wonder to say the least,your running a loader bucket,not a forestry 🌳 tree grinder,so how is this test fair??. There isn't a ASV dealer within 100 miles of my house,but there is a Cat dealer within about 25 miles of my house.
This is a hit piece just like the liberal news where honesty is not part of the process. This video is a hit piece where they wanted a certain outcome and loaded the evidence to make it so. Garbage.
Its my personal opinion of course. If the operator of the machine knows his machine and he is skilled at his craft, makes all the difference when you put equipment of equal performances together. I own a tree service and I prefer to run Husqvarna chainsaws over any other brands. I do own Stihl chainsaws and I have run Poulan chainsaws. I was a wild land fire fighter in the state of California for 8 years and i was a 1st sawyer on a type 1 hand crew. Our function was to put a "freeway" thru the forest with hand tools. A crew composed of(1) Fire Captain, (2) Sawyers, (2) sawyers pullers(hardest job on crew), (5) Pulaskis, (5) McLeod's , Drag spoon and Swamper. I was stationed in Northern California and I have over 2500+ fire hours on a Husqvarna 372xp chainsaw w/24" bar running usually full comp chains. We cut a lot of brush and fell a lot of tree's. When we weren't fighting forest fires we were brushing back state roads in Mendocino county of fir trees. I lived with a saw in my hands year round. 372xp our fire saw and a 371xp as our grade saw. I got a little time on these . People ask me what about Stihl's 660 or 440...Those are good saws also. They are equal in some specs.....but I have run the 372xp. I know my saw...I can break it down in the dark, I know where my 'bar tip' is at all times. I know how to hold it and where to hold it in all types of brush or trees I'm dismantling. Basically my saw is a 3rd appendage. long story...sorry. What I want to convey is its usually the operator that makes the difference.
Once again Late to the channel. Had a snow day today (we don’t snow plow in okc)and did nothing but watched your videos on learning better business practices etc. watching this video and seeing the ASV machine I’m Impressed(especially coupled with all the other ASV videos you’ve done). Our local dealer is a big truck thermo king dealer(refer trucks/trailers). Are all ASV dealers set up with multiple lines of equipment? I’ve always run Bobcats outside of rental machines and this next year I’ll be buying a machine. I’m a pool builder/landscaper. Thanks for all the info!
I gotta say I've been leaning towards either a Cat 289D or a Kubota 95-2 but having watched some of your vids I'm getting more convinced to go with the ASV 75!
good video you are right about dearler support . What happed with travis's 120 asv that was breaking down all the time . Asv was going to buy it back. were I work we got a new cat 289D the boom was off by 1in on one side . it was was great if you wanted fall going a certain way . Nobody said any thing when i found out our cat dealer R.P. said it was fine . one of i guys saw them changing a boom out on a one at dealer . The boss just dropped it we are still useing it we have 2 . The 287C has 5000 hrs 3rd set of tracks numerous hyd hoses blown . break a bucket release pin cly hose you you will lose alll your hyd fluid. I could go on get all brands togeather and do real world test not the BS video the manufactures make. thanks stanley keep the videos coming
Work in muddy conditions with wet clay in the winter and see how bad that asv freezes up and will not move. Or if it can move you will smoke the wheels and destroy the rollers. They are great for final grading and great floatation but for very heavy hard work the undercarriage does not hold up well and is 3 times the price for parts.
It would be interesting to know the long term maintenence cost of running each one are. I looked after a terex pt100g working inforestry with a fecon drum mulcher working mostly in sand for several years & undercarriage costs were horendous. Not to mention hyd pump drive coupling failures every 1000hrs.
Have you checked out the new(ish) Wacker Nueson skid loader or track loader? No dpf, crazy warranty, Kohler diesel, but I’ve never seen one on a job site around here. It would be really interesting to see you do a review on one.
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Biggest thing I saw is one operator is way better than the other. The approach he took to some of the challenges and how he moved material made for the win.
But they switched machines every time.
Not having operated, owned or ever even used a skid steer, I am now in the market for an ASV. Great Video!
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We had a 100HP ASV for REA Utility work we used to do way way north Alberta. The ASV kicked every other skid steer to the curb. We use to use CAT and CASE, replace both machines with the one ASV, production stay the same. They are the only machine if your serious that is. Great video, great test.
Service and support on ASV is supposedly horrible.
Good lord that forestry head is insane.
DM I really am enjoying all of your videos comparing equipment. Had no idea ASV was even still around! ASV was a trac machine before anyone even offered tracks on skid steers... love the videos, thanks for taking me along!
You're welcome, thanks for viewing !!
Actually Takeuchi was the first compact tracked loader.
You know it’s a good video when a 20 min video feels like a 5 min video.
Thanks Ivan, happy that you like it !
ASV is going to be a big contender in the skid steer market for sure
@rustytr How is there reliability though? I am seeing and reading bad reviews about how expensive they are to repair bc they break down more than other brands. Thanks.
I noticed that the cat had standard tracks instead of the multi terrain tracks like the asv
Those are the factory equipped tracks for both machines
guy in the cat looks like it was his first day operating a skid, also would like to see a cat with the asv track system compared to an asv, both seem like great machines though!
Then it WOULDN'T be a CAT
CORRRCT ?
@@DynoDieselWagon Cat has multiple machines equipped with ASV tracks from the factory.. 247 257 267 277 287 and 297
@@todddavis5433 very expensive under carriage
@@todddavis5433 but then they would have to do an honest comparison.
Did I miss the forestry head on the CAT portion of the video? Seeing the difference between hydraulic flow rates would be useful.
Dennis Cimaf sends a representative out to "tune" the head to each specific machine. So swapping it is not recommended. Plus to run that you need the polycarbonate door and FOPS!
@@TERRORoftheLORD I presume you mean installing a flow restriction fitting in hydraulic line to prevent the machine from "biting off more than it can chew" so to speak? I would think since Mr. Grenedek was comparing two machines of the same Hp rating it would be fair to put the same attachment on the "compared machine" with " no modification".
CAT 289D hydraulic HP is 62 GPM. ASV RT75 is 68 GPM (closer to 69 GPM). The numbers don’t lie. Plus, the ASV can run all day without overheating the hydraulics.
Flow X Pressure/ 1714
I’ll take an ASV any day over the others.
This is a hit piece from the beginning.
Im not a huge fan of CAT but that ASV weighs about 1,300lbs less then the CAT and they both are at the same HP level. Its by nature going to be slower in movement & less responsive, its moving 1,300lbs more around the whole time. The CAT 259D is a more comparable machine. With that said youd think it would have been able to drag the ASV around when they were hooked up? Another fun video Stan! Well worth the watch!!
Appreciate it Carson, thanks !
Cat also seems like it has way more weight in the back. Guess its designed for more weight to be put on the front and probably has more power dedicated to hydraulics. Just all a guess though.
Actually, I think the ASV still has more hydraulic power.
I would imagine it has different hydraulic pumps as well but I’m not sure. In the weight and pulling test yes you’d think it should have pulled the asv then because of the weight. But keep in mind that asv’s track system has far superior traction especially on sand like that. Those tracks are incredibly grippy. There kind of 2 totally different machines for built for different purposes. Was an awesomely entertaining video though that’s for sure! Haha love it!
1300 lbs equates to more fuel to run the machine and more fuel to move it from job to job. If the ASV has the same productivity with less weight it means a money saver money maker for me.
ASV makes a solid machine. They are comfortable and have traction that is superior to most other brands. They were made for the forestry industry and to be used in remote situations where getting stuck or stranded could make or break you. I switched over this year from John Deere and the pros definitely out weigh the cons. My only real complaint is the visibility while using the forks attachment for delicate loads. Overall ASV is great. The Deere was also a solid rig and reliable just older. I've ran a few cats they were like Cadillac's on the inside with every bell and whistle. You definitely pay for that stuff I think a comparable ASV is more affordable and the new ones are very impressive.
The ASV and Cat are both 2 of the best skid steers I have used yet
Lol the rebuild and frequently required rebuild of ASV undercariage is insane. Nice when new but they become costly machines quickly. Il take the undercarriage of the cat
I have a cat 289C and have operated ASV as well. I will give it to the ASV as far as smooth operating ability. Visability out of the rear of my cat is fine. The bar does not bother me unless i am looking for airplanes. My only problems with ASV tracks is they are high maintanance. And even though they are lighter on their feet which has its advantages. Its a huge disadvantage in the snow.
lmao @airplanes
I love the skid steer stuff!
Thank you and glad you liked it!
What about vertical lift on the Cat vs non one ASV? Loading ten wheelers? Didn't Cat use to use the ASV style undercarriage and the replacement cost turned off customers? Performance when new was great but with age was scary expensive?
What I have found here, in North-East Iowa, is that Cat's skid steer service is spotty. If the "big" stuff is running your screwed on getting a skid steer serviced. The skid steers are Cat cheapest item so you can understand the focus. I owned an ASV 15 years ago. It was total junk. I know they redesigned them but I am still leery of the product. I know lots of folks talk up every other brand but I have owned about all of them and Bobcat still makes a pretty darn good product.
Appreciate the comments, thanks!
Hi Guys, Good video. I've been reading in the comments that alot of guys worry about the Plastic and rubber rollers on the ASV/Terex machines. You can buy all the Idlers and Bogies made from Alloy from Bair Products in Kansas. We found it much less expensive to run with no problems.
Thanks for the comments!!
I’d really like to see what you think of a Kubota skid loader. Your mentioning that the cat has a lack of/slow power. I operate a kubota svl 65 and that thing is super smooth, lightening fast, responsive, and has tons of power. We use it for firewood production so it’s moving solid oak logs all day. The frosting on the cake is we have a great kubota dealer in our area as well
Great video Stanley. I'm glad you brought in Travis. He is an awesome source for the forestry/land clearing business.
Thank you Warren !
Loved the CAT 297D at my last job. The backup camera was probably the best feature of it, as well as the HVAC cab.
This is not a rip on the guys, but they both need more seat time in a skidsteer for this to be a fair test. Would of also been cool to see what machine could lift more. I enjoyed the video tho. the head to head push test was pretty cool. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching and for the feedback Jay!
@@highball7347 I have been around this stuff along time ,and just by watching these guys i can tell you they could use some more seat time in a skidsteer. They just did somethings that were inefficient. for example. @16:44 notice how he digs in to virgin ground coming down the pile? He has not developed a good enough feel for the machine to know where the edge of his bucket is at without seeing it. There are other things i noticed about both guys, but im not going to sit and pick them apart like that. im not saying they are bad operators by any means, just need more time.
Thanks Jay! I don’t run these everyday anymore but we did have a lot of fun!
Jay Som Stan seemed to be a bit bias towards Cat lol. How can they not agree which one runs faster, even with the forestry attachment?
@@jaysom2240 Yea. The guy in the cat is very new, and with a more experienced operator, it would have been a lot closer.
I still use the ASV 2810! It's the go to machine for so much. It's so versatile
It’s easy to make a machine look bad when you want too. Cat is by far the best machine, best service and hold their value far more than ANY other competitor
I have a 279d and it sucks
I beleive that but I've run case and deere nothing beats a cat or bobcat I used to have cats but I have one only me and the ceo son get operate and my helper the son of the company owner is very DEMANDING of equipment me have a new Komatsu pc88 with 200 hrs on doesn't have a straight piece of sheet metal on it so it's been sank 3 times in mud where it wouldn't rotate
To the guy that said cat has good visibility get in a bobcat u can see everything she's the asv have a fecon sheild
To the guy that said cat has good visibility get in a bobcat u can see everything she's the asv have a fecon sheild
I like watching how much dirt the Cat looses while moving compared to the Asv. In my opinion, the suspension alone makes the Asv better.
Thank you for watching!
Get all skid steers together, from all makes in the same horse power, then do test, because you can't put a shredding head against a bucket on land clearing test that's like putting a spoon against a track hoe. The other tests when the ASV has a bucket on was alot better.
The cat isn't highflow like the asv you can't run the mulching head on that cat. Cats don't make their machines high flow till 92hp asv are high flow at 72 hp and above.
Interesting,very well put together.We run Deere and never have tried a ASV.Kubota isn’t bad.We thought the Cat cab was small and hard to get in and out.
Thank you !
Bobcat has the same rear cross member as the cat, so it really isn’t worth continually commenting on. It’s how they accomplish their vertical lift geometry. Not a big deal. Cats problem is their rear end is significantly taller blocking all back and down visibility.
I have been looking at used skid steers at a big auction and I must say the ASV has the smoothest controls out of the all the ones I operated. They are just so smooth and feel great.
Only ran one once, most comfortable skid ive ever ran, but found it acking torque.
I’d like to see the asv rt 120 vs cat 299 d both with forestery packages
It may not seem intuitive but, if you put the spout on top of the pour jug in stead of the bottom it will pour smoothly with out splashing or burping. This works with oil, antifreeze, water, Hydraulic fluid containers even gas cans. Try it.
Good tip Loren, thanks for watching !
Nothing against you guys but I have spent a long time running an ASV with a forestry head and you are being very unsafe around that. Those can pick up rocks and hurt and even kill people if they are hit by them. You shouldn't be walking around there when that thing is running and having another guy in a machine without the proper protective cage is dangerous.
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I love the editing style!! Awesome video!!
Appreciate it, thanks !
Asv looks like alot smother tracking unit. Would make a big difference in a 10 hr day
I demoed both asv and cat I went with a cat 289d3 over them all and I was super impressed with the new bobcat t76 or whatever it was awesome machine by the way dealer was the thing for me and not price also all within 5k of each other and I abused the hell out of each
Can't believe you picked the first cousin of the terex pt30 that you love so much...
Come back in 5 years and compare these two machines.
Cat easy lol
Caterpillar Ford you're right as long as it doesn't burn down from the shitty wiring first. I do like the cats but have a neighbor with a big excavation company and has lost 2 new cats from faulty wiring. The first one he couldn't prove it was the machine so had to use his insurance but the second machine they stopped the fire in time and cat realized it was their fault. I do like that cat took full responsibility and replaced the second machine and covered all the cost and money lost from the first one that the insurance didn't cover actually they handled it so well I gained a lot of respect for cat when it happened. I am a bobcat guy myself but wouldn't think twice about buying anything cat because of Ziegler and all the dealer support.
If you haven't traded this thing in by 5 years, this probably isn't your primary business. These machine reach a BER point which is beyond economical repair. I get what your saying but if you're smart and this is your primary business, trade them out every 3 or 4 years utilizing the warranty. It's sad but these machines are disposable and take a hell of a beating, especially in the forestry business.
These machines won't last 5 years if they don't get new operators lol
In 5 years who cares? both machines will have made their owners alot of money and both will have been sold or traded in...
So even though the ASV has "way more power," it stalled in the dirt test, which is what I can't stand about ASV, they're gutless. The reason the Cat has the bar in the back is for the vertical lift feature. Good luck loading a full-size truck with the ASV. Also, don't bother using the ASV is gravel, because it will destroy that rubber and plastic roller system.
Exactly, love our CAT 287, but it chews off rubber wheels like its its job in stone or mud. Have to do wide 3 pts turns. We did steel wheels in back, but the idler wheels across bottom get replaced yrly
287 has same ASV bottom, awesome in snow tho lol
Different product line, but we stayed with Hitachi excavators because the CATs were way too gutless.
I think the stalking thing is the asv will deliver 100% power until it just stalls the engine. The cat starts to throttle the hydraulic pumps so it won’t stall the engine. (Like riding the clutch) someone correct me if I’m wrong but that’s what I’ve heard before from some people.
@@CarsonSchifsky you are correct, sir!
my opinion, cat and asv both have have good and bad points ,it also depends on the operator as well and how much experience they have. , but thats just my opinion
Good point Timothy, thanks for watching !
This is great stuff. As for Pickup trucks, I would tell you not to use them for plowing snow. Use construction or agricultural equipment for snow. Trucks were designed for payloads and towing, not pushing things. Even in my town, the DOT stopped using class 8 trucks with plows and now just uses Volvo wheel Loaders for snow. Even the heavy duty class 8 trucks were feeling the bad effects from plowing.
Thanks Trent!
Plowing beats trucks bad. You know this, man.
Cool how the ASV could turn 180 within it own tracks.
Put 2000 hours on each machine and try it again. You will have exactly what you paid for.
Wrong
@@richardoverbaugh4922 Right! Anyone reviewing a machine without MANY hours on it is just spitting in the wind and VERY BIASED!
@@getsum697 Everyone that spends money on a machine is Biased and self justifies the purchase by convincing themselves that what they bought is the best. You see this in everything from trucks to equipment to tools.
For equipment the best brand is whichever one has the best parts and service department in your area.
I hear you but after one hazelnut harvest I already know that I never want to use a Weiss McNair JD-40 ever again.
Too bad my boss doesn’t like the cool Italian machines 🤷🏻♂️
I own an ASV RC60 now. I have driven all of them. New Holland, cats, takahuuuuachia, bobcasts etc. I will stick with the older versions of the ASV line. I work circles around everyone else. My partner has a bobcat and hell if you want to tear up someones yard while trying not to, use a bobcat T190 or t250 You will get that job done. I mostly do concrete demolition, if it is a slab in a back yard and we have to haul out over the lawn, we only use the ASV. Pushing piles of Dirt, ASV. One summer we had a t190 and a t250 and the ASV RC60. We only used the ASV. The electrical gremilins killed the 250 (electrical controls suck) and the 190 had a piece of gravel get in-between the frame and oil pan and wear a hole in the oil pan. We did not have time to pull the engine so it sat till winter. On the ASV we could have done it in an evening. Bobcat has made it hard to keep buying them. I have found the best thing for my production is to keep my older ASV working.
Thanks for the comments Cameron
The guy on the cat doesn’t look like he has much experience
I think that may also be because like they said the cat does have a little delay and if you watch closely you can see that delay overall you can tell that the asv has a lot more power efficiency that the cat lacks
The drivers switched though so ...
I never ran ASV but I can't stand running CAT skid steer anything! The cat is slow, clunky,jerky and prefer foot controls for the bucket /boom operation. Like older new hollands
Great video, I like all the head to head videos you have been doing lately.
Thank you !!
Looks like the ASV has more hydraulic horsepower and the wider tracks sealed the Cats fate. As I see it, the ASV did lose the lift and dump head to head which surprised me. Was it just me or did the buckets look to be different sizes in that test?
Great comparison!👍 I’ve got a Cat 247B Track loader with a Cummings engine and ASV track system? Lots of power and traction !
Thanks Anton !
cummins*
I thought the ASV performed faster than the CAT. I have often wondered what a comparison between these 2 machines be like. Now I know.
I used to own an MD-70, POSI-TRAC.
Thanks for watching Bill !
No ASV dealer in our area. Central Valley in California. Our Cat dealer is awesome to work with,
Huh, good to know. Have a good dealer makes a world of difference👍
ASV hands down ! (or would that be bucket down?)
We have a 289D with a gyro trac 400 mulching head on it and it balances well, yes it’s a little ass heavy with just a bucket but full bucket or mulcher and it balances well.
I would like to see the 277 against the ASV as they have the same style undercarriage.
The ASV looks smooth and the CAT looks clunky. No matter who's the operator.
So you're comparing open cab vs enclosed. Radial lift vs vertical lift. And 2 completely different track systems. Just because they're same horsepower let's compare them. BTW why try a 287D cat same track system as ASV. Surprised most of the time your videos aren't so off.
I know!! All the cats from a 257 259 246 262 287 289 ate all 74 hp 😂
Compare the life and cost to replace the undercarriages. The Cat CTL will last longer and be cheaper per hour than the MTL undercarriage and can be used in less forgiving terrain.
I understand fully
Looks like a job site, and he just took advantage of what was on site for a video..
What a great comment.......... He probably compared them because they were the two machines that were on that job site. Rent the two machines you want tested and send them to him I'm sure he will be happy to run the tests you want.
Interesting video. Now, it's not fully scientific as there are many variables, but I appreciate the effort to try and keep it as fair as possible by switching operators and using same size buckets. I also enjoyed the video from a purely entertainment aspect, so I rate it about 13 out of 7 hardhats.
Thanks Daniel!
The undisputed champion ASV!
It would be good to see the CAT use the mulching head too! Great Video Guys. Good Commentary and Good comparison
When I need a skid steer or mini excavator it's a cat rental it's close to home comes on a trailer. 299 cat for 200 a day. 305 mini both cabbed for 250 sip fuel. And best part avail able. 24/7 with a quick call due to working relationship with rental dealer.
Great video, I love these types of content.
Shine on
Thanks Louis!
Very nice video, love your videos. Me and my dad have 2 Bobcats on our farm and are very pleased. Greetings from Sweden.
Hello Marcus, thank you for watching !
Not to bad of a video. I will say it's not just the machine its also the operator. Two different skill levels with them a good operator knows their rig very well. I'm not sold on the ASV I've ran em and cat. I'll still take a cat because I can make them dance around any other Skiddy.
Thanks Matt!
That giant bar you're complaining about is meant for higher bucket lift and the cat has a backup camera
That forestry head is WICKED! I want to play with one for awhile.
Faster controls and better speed is great... but which one has the run time without failure?
ASV also has hydraulic over hydraulic pilot controls vs the Cat electric over hydraulic, Ill take the Hydraulic over hydraulic any day
Yup, I like to tell the machine what I want it to do, not the other way around.
My CAT rep is hands down #1 in service and my cat machine was not higher than the other available brands in my area
I've always thought a typical skid steer dirt bucket was half a yard range.
A brief search only turned up one yards in the light material bucket range. I may be wrong but I don't want people getting screwed but thinking their bucket is bigger than it is.
Also can you explain how it's right to sell dirt By the ton...vs buy the yard...cause the amount of dirt in a yard is the same wet or dry. A ton with water in it in my mind would be less volume than a dry ton (rain storm vs drought)
Just ranting from a guy who's local gravel pit went from selling by yard to ton and price doubled at least.
This was cool, I enjoyed it. I bet these opportunities don't come along very often, but what about putting the ASV against a Kubota, Deere, Volvo, Bobcat or a Takeuchi, then a 5-6 way test, That would really be something. JMO. Keep Em Coming.
Thank you Jeff and thanks for the suggestion !
yup pushing the piles back was good test
all comes down to the operator, if the machines have the same same specs there is no reason not to get the same performance, just saying
You are assuming that all manufacturers are honest with their specifications...
That's not the case.
Really good comparison review,I’m subscribed!
Thanks for the sub Franklin and glad to have you here!
That was an awesome test! Nice job👍
I totally agree. No matter the pros and cons you gotta go to a place with costumer service.
Thanks I’m definitely going ASV
Hey Stanley if you ever get the chance to come to Wisconsin you should check out delaneys surplus I know you would love it. It’s not any old surplus you could even make a video!
Thanks for the suggestion, I will keep it in mind !
I go there every week!
I don't recall ever leaving there empty handed lol.
I would say this was a really cool video but the guys that's actually out there running these is where the honest reviews come through still a cool video no doubt about it 👊👊👊👍👍👍👍👍
my local council have bean using ASV for years they seam to never have a problem with them. but i like my JCB.
Amazing video, Thank you. I went and looked at the ASV VT100 today. I am sold. I am trading in my one year old Bobcat T770.
Apples and oranges as far as the flotation of those two different track/drive systems. Cat is heavier in the rear no matter what, that being said the MTL Cat would have been a much closer comparison of flotation as it is the exact same drive system.
I ran a asv about a month ago it was new only 16 hours but I must say I went full throttle for week hauling and pushing dirt tried to stall it out and it took all i gave it and it was impressive never had a skid even twice the size put out the work I got from the asv
COMPARE THE ASV 120 VS CAT 299D2XHP/BOBCAT T870
Looks like a lot of fun, and hilarious to watch! :D Thanks!
Thank you !
I'm on a big farm and we use two cat skid steers we have one 279D track and 262D tire rig and hands down cat is the winner with service and we had a ASV sr 80 before the cat and there service sucked and it was in the shop more than it did any work
It is well known in the industry that the asv style undercarriage has more flotation. Cat sales their version and clearly markets it as the major difference as well. The standard undercarriage on that 289 is more rugged, and cheaper to replace, but less flotation. Not an apples to apples comparison, as I think the 259 cat would be more comparable, but close. I have a 299d2 and love it. I like the way the new asvs are going and hope they continue to do well.
I think you mean the 257D, which has the ASV undercarriage.
@@spidyr2k correct. The xx7 series cats have the asv undercarriage.... that's what I get for typing while half asleep
The guy running the cat makes me wonder to say the least,your running a loader bucket,not a forestry 🌳 tree grinder,so how is this test fair??.
There isn't a ASV dealer within 100 miles of my house,but there is a Cat dealer within about 25 miles of my house.
This is a hit piece just like the liberal news where honesty is not part of the process. This video is a hit piece where they wanted a certain outcome and loaded the evidence to make it so. Garbage.
That was wicked
You guys deserve respect
It was a real clash
❤️ IT
What a character- love it !
Very entertaining
Thank you !
To be honest its operators choice to which what machine you like. I love our cases at work and there amazing machines!
Very true Antonio, thanks for watching !
Its my personal opinion of course. If the operator of the machine knows his machine and he is skilled at his craft, makes all the difference when you put equipment of equal performances together. I own a tree service and I prefer to run Husqvarna chainsaws over any other brands. I do own Stihl chainsaws and I have run Poulan chainsaws. I was a wild land fire fighter in the state of California for 8 years and i was a 1st sawyer on a type 1 hand crew. Our function was to put a "freeway" thru the forest with hand tools. A crew composed of(1) Fire Captain, (2) Sawyers, (2) sawyers pullers(hardest job on crew), (5) Pulaskis, (5) McLeod's , Drag spoon and Swamper. I was stationed in Northern California and I have over 2500+ fire hours on a Husqvarna 372xp chainsaw w/24" bar running usually full comp chains. We cut a lot of brush and fell a lot of tree's. When we weren't fighting forest fires we were brushing back state roads in Mendocino county of fir trees. I lived with a saw in my hands year round. 372xp our fire saw and a 371xp as our grade saw. I got a little time on these . People ask me what about Stihl's 660 or 440...Those are good saws also. They are equal in some specs.....but I have run the 372xp. I know my saw...I can break it down in the dark, I know where my 'bar tip' is at all times. I know how to hold it and where to hold it in all types of brush or trees I'm dismantling. Basically my saw is a 3rd appendage. long story...sorry. What I want to convey is its usually the operator that makes the difference.
Thanks for the comments Richard !
Once again Late to the channel. Had a snow day today (we don’t snow plow in okc)and did nothing but watched your videos on learning better business practices etc. watching this video and seeing the ASV machine I’m
Impressed(especially coupled with all the other ASV videos you’ve done). Our local dealer is a big truck thermo king dealer(refer trucks/trailers). Are all ASV dealers set up with multiple lines of equipment? I’ve always run Bobcats outside of rental machines and this next year I’ll be buying a machine. I’m a pool builder/landscaper. Thanks for all the info!
We take our asv to cat all the time and they always work on it, a lot of the parts are interchangeable.
That tracks are actually designed and manufactured by cat, many of their tracked machines have the same track system.
Mason Stansberry actually Cat’s MTL undercarriage is manufactured by ASV
Do the push and pull test on hard pack dirt
I gotta say I've been leaning towards either a Cat 289D or a Kubota 95-2 but having watched some of your vids I'm getting more convinced to go with the ASV 75!
good video you are right about dearler support . What happed with travis's 120 asv that was breaking down all the time . Asv was going to buy it back. were I work we got a new cat 289D the boom was off by 1in on one side . it was was great if you wanted fall going a certain way . Nobody said any thing when i found out our cat dealer R.P. said it was fine . one of i guys saw them changing a boom out on a one at dealer . The boss just dropped it we are still useing it we have 2 . The 287C has 5000 hrs 3rd set of tracks numerous hyd hoses blown . break a bucket release pin cly hose you you will lose alll your hyd fluid. I could go on get all brands togeather and do real world test not the BS video the manufactures make. thanks stanley keep the videos coming
Thanks , will do !
5K hours and 3 sets of tracks thats pretty damn good.
super video boys, Love the ASV, you think it would be worth it to put the ASV against the JCB?
Can you do comparison between a skid steer and the popular compact tractors that are becoming popular.
11:45 the workers in the back are like- hey guys so are we going to build this house or what?
Work in muddy conditions with wet clay in the winter and see how bad that asv freezes up and will not move. Or if it can move you will smoke the wheels and destroy the rollers. They are great for final grading and great floatation but for very heavy hard work the undercarriage does not hold up well and is 3 times the price for parts.
guys thanks this did help me a lot did not know what to buy but I do now.
It would be interesting to know the long term maintenence cost of running each one are. I looked after a terex pt100g working inforestry with a fecon drum mulcher working mostly in sand for several years & undercarriage costs were horendous. Not to mention hyd pump drive coupling failures every 1000hrs.
I've never heard of asv before, looks like a good machine but what is the dealer network like
Have you checked out the new(ish) Wacker Nueson skid loader or track loader? No dpf, crazy warranty, Kohler diesel, but I’ve never seen one on a job site around here. It would be really interesting to see you do a review on one.
I will keep it in mind, thanks Mike !