It’s always so interesting to me how we respond to foams differently. In a 2 hr run, with pace in it, my feet and legs will be trashed for days in FFTurbo/FfTurbo+. In ZoomX I’ll be totally ready for an afternoon session or the next morning. So interesting how we respond so individually…
Running Kaohsiung HM next week. The Superblast 2 have been my long-run juggernauts. They lock into marathon pace so well and are mighty stable. I haven't had the Zoom Fly 6 for long, but they have been comfortable, responsive, fast and fun for the couple of tempo runs I've used them for - excellent shoes. I am considering race testing them at the Tainan Half Marathon in March.
I'm surprised given you like chonky shoes. That being said, as a mid foot striker, there is nothing in the SB2 inherently for you. It might ever feel slappy.
@ indeed. Especially because this year I want to spend as little time at MP as possible, ironically. I’m exploring the polarized approach. Even in long runs, to go a bit faster than MP like in tomorrow’s run. I suppose it could backfire but so can anything. Loving the use-case graphics btw
@@MidLifeRunner I saw your video. Years ago I did about 6 months of MAF… got nowhere with it other than really understanding level of effort at easy paces. Coming from cycling I had a huge aerobic engine already so MAF really never helped me…. But I drank the koolaid. I see the value and “get” it… but from my experiments with Zone 1 running I’ve not seen of felt benefits. I’ll be curious where you get with it.
Reporting back. You nailed. DEFINITELY a tempo trainer and not a long run shoe with marathon pace in it. I mean, I CAN, but there are other shoes like Superblast for that. The zoom fly 6 sings at threshold efforts.
Good review....I respect your reasoning for shoe usage as you see it...👍🏾 Your reasoning to use race day shoes for important long runs resonates and makes sense to me....
I feel that the SB2's aberrant midsole width is there just to counteract its also aberrant stack height (though aberrant stuff has been often normalized lately). I bought that shoe in September (and it was 300 USD in Brazil back then), and I simply DETESTED that midsole geometry, the bevel, the sideflares, everything. The weight/bounce ratio of that FFBlast Turbo material is amazing, though. I just wish they had a "Novablast Mini" using that foam, something traditional, slim, and streamlined (maybe 36/28mm), but asking for less than 30mm is just too much to ask these days, isn't it? Happy new year and congrats for the recent achivements, Chris!
Exactly…. Asics defined that template with the SB1. The higher you go, the wider you make the shoe. Now all others are doing this with their maximal stack options. For running mararhon over in a straight line the added width and stack is fine and not that perceptible… but another else than that you realize how niche the SB2’s use case really use. To your last point… you may be interested in what Asics is doing in 2025 to the Superblast series… it’s going to anger many but it makes more sense (it’s likely becoming multiple shoes).
@@SagasuRunning Sure. Without an new foam or technology, what BIG improvements should come in a Superblast 3? I mean, the SB2 also "nust" corrected some small things like the stone collecting holes and the not that great rubber. Weight +- the same, upper I don't know. For my low volume quite narrow foot the SB1 upper hugs my foot better and gives me a secure feeling. The SB2 feels looser and I really have to put effort in lacing them up. Besides that, the Superblast are one of very few models where I use the lace loop method. In 1-2 i use also the last hole, in 1 I use the last instead of the second to last hole and the vast majority of shoes I lace as they come (without using the last hole). Superblast withour lace lock - impossible. So, the SB gets split up in a plated something and a non plated something? At least we know a "Sonicblast" shoe is coming in 2025 from Asics. Is this a new shoe or is it one of two directions of the Superblast? Conderning lower stack, a baby Superblast: How about a Noosa Tri with Superfoam? :)
@@CMDV8N3 They're owned by a 70-year-old corporation called Vulcabras, which makes industry boots and have been in the licensing/manufacturing/sales business for that long. They also represent/make shoes for Mizuno and Under Armour in Brazil. You may have heard that Brazil enforces some prohibitive importing taxes, which makes locally manufactured stuff highly competitive, specially when most people are technically lower-class. At this point, I think the "Corre" line by Olympikus is the best-selling in this country, followed closely by Italian brand FILA, which sort of put together a stronghold in Brazil for some reason. Both brands specialize in entry level shoes, and IMO Olympikus still falls short of a great foam, whereas Fila has some supercritical stuff that is getting there. Priced at around 80 dollars and weighing 208g in US9, the "Corre 4" daily trainer by Olympikus is omnipresent in Brazil, on streets and races alike. It is stripped down from comfort elements, not necessarily comfortable or durable, but it's definitely the epitome of the "Brazilian workhorse". It has a 32/24mm setup with EVA foam, and people just love it. The line also features a max stack shoe, very comfortable, and a graphene-plated supertrainer, both of which are unexpensive and very decent.
@@CMDV8N3 I wrote a huge reply telling all about this brand, but it was removed for some reason. But yeah, they have some good shoes, but they still lack a great racing foam!
Picked up both in December and have one run in each. ZF6 felt excellent at push to all out pace. SB2 felt incredible when needing to sustain push. The best way I can describe it is that it felt like it melted onto my foot after a while. I love both so far. Btw your heat map graphic is such a great visual addition and one of the best things I’ve seen in any shoe comps on yt.
They really are, the fact that the manufacturers don't have anything like Sagasu is just downright embarrassing, knowing nothing about a brand and going to their website it's nearly impossible to choose the right shoe. I thought mountain bikes were confusing, until I got into running lol
This is SUCH a succinct way to say it. ZF6 = push pace, SB2 = sustain pace. 👏🏻 Well said! I'm going to use that from now on to describe the SB2 against other shoes. Perfect!
Oh man...back at the end of my cycling days, just as road bikes where splitting into multiple categories and "gravel" bikes were starting... it was NEARLY impossible to tell what was what, especially manufacturer to manufacturer... beyond frustrating. That was one of the drivers behind the "performance matrix" I developed. it's not perfect, but it communicates the point.
Thanks Chris! Happy New Year 2025!! I'm not actively commenting these days but doesn't mean not watching or liking your content. Super happy to see you growing and collaborating with top brands. You deserve this phenomenal growth since you're working hard for it. This year and in coming years, you will continue to reach new heights. All the best. I'm happy to witnessing your growth from double digits subscribers.
Thank you. I was actually wondering where you went. It's been a while since I've seen you comment. You are one of the first commenters I remember when I first started out...so it's nice to see you still here. Happy 2025 to you! 🤙🏻
I have both and if I could only have one id choose the superblast 2. I tend to go towards the zoomfly 6 if I'm doing faster workouts upto 5k pace. Then long runs or if I'm going on holiday with only one shoe the superblast 2. I've ran fast 5 k in the superblast and it definitely can do it so has versatility for me. Having clocked over 650 miles in the og superblast and over 200 in superblast 2 maybe I've become accustomed to the shoe i don't feel any bulkness or that the shoe stops me from doing any run. Even offroad in the dry its fine. I wouldn't really take the zoomfly 6 passed 8ish miles as I tend to go for more stable cushioned options.
If I’m doing a long slow run I want a daily trainer. If I’m doing a long run with pace I’ll take either, as I said in the video. If I want a single shoe to cover a lot of types of speed training in might need in a build for a marathon I’ll take the ZF6 for the speed and durability…. But still do my important long runs in the super shoe I plan to race. The SB2 is a great shoe but I find its use case so narrow. The SB1 was fantastic when it was first out as there was nothing else like it on the market. But now, going into 2025, there are a handful of shoes that can offer what the SB2 does, but in different packages. The market has evolved and the SB2, while great, isn’t the only game in town.
@SagasuRunning I think you just suit a lot of Nikes models more than most. The superblast 2 is the ultimate daily trainer. There's still nothing quite like it available. Don't get me wrong for marathon runs of upto 21 miles i think the prime x v2 is better but the superblast 2 can still do them with ease just less propulsive. But then I wouldnt run a 5k or slow runs in the prime x either.
… but the SB2 isn’t a daily trainer. 🤷🏼♂️Also we have VERY different tastes in shoes it seems. That’s totally fine. It’s good there are lots of options out there to find what works for you.
@SagasuRunning I don't understand your definition of a daily trainer. Superblast 2, cusion, comfort , durability, energy return can be used at slower paces upto 5k paces and long runs up to marathon. I don't get which part makes this shoe not a daily trainer.
@@kevinclark5086 Daily trainers are the shoes that will eat up most of your miles. Some prefer their daily trainers to be versatile across different paces, while others (usually beginners, slow runners) prioritize comfort more than versatility. If you don't mind using your $200 SB2 as your primary go-to running shoes including short ~5km easy, casual runs and not for long distance speed training, I'd say you do you and go ahead put in the work.
@@SagasuRunning was considering between this and the speed 4 and my brother in law is able to get the zf6 50% off retail price. This is a no brainer. :)
I bought the ZF 6 and did 2 runs 8km and 12km. For my longer runs i prefer the SB2 is more stable and my legs feel fresher after those runs. My same size in both (US9) Zoom Fly 6 feels a little shorter in lenght and toe box ... better half size up if you want longer runs with those
I didn’t expect such comparison! Today (before the video) I had a thought that SB ride is kind of addictive. It’s not about versatility or even long runs.
@ Yes, very good point. What’s your opinion on the SB2 upper? From aesthetics point of view and quality of material I find it a stunning upper. I’ve noticed that to really connect with a shoe, all boxes must be ticked, including looks. Could it be a factor behind SB’s success? Or Evo SL’s for 2025? Both very beautiful shoes.
@@yiann1sk I like it, I think it was an improvement for the shoe...however I REALLY liked the upper on the SB1. I love Asics's simple race uppers and that one was great...but i know why most didn't like it. I know many are disappointed with the Evo SL upper... but I rather like it for what it is. it's not the material I expected, but it performs in the same way. The tongue on the ESL is wonky, that I agree, but it also not the end of the world and works fine. The Evo SL certainly has the looks. I actually think the "Evo" silhouette is destined to become an iconic Adidas staple. Maybe not Adidas Originals level, but still a staple.
@ Guarantee it will become a staple look. Destiny is there too, it premiered with a World Record, Assefa kissing it, remember? Evo SL upper is not as premium as SB2 (I was expecting way worse), but it does the job and considering the price lower than both SB2 and Pegasus Plus the shoe is a great value proposition overall. I wanted to ask you the other day: why do you think they didn’t gusset the tongue? Is about production cost or they just wanted to justify the higher price for other expensive models?
I have no idea about the tongue. Adidas has a LONG history of awful tongue and laces on Adizero shoes. It’s almost like they are trying to make them bad sometimes. The ESL tongue is a pain, but it is simple enough to get in the right place. I don’t care about a gusset but I’d have like the tacking style they did on the AP4 and A9.
I know this video is going to trigger a lot of people, but you summed both shoes up perfectly. I don't care how good the shoes feel, if they cost $200 they make a bad pair of daily trainers period. No shoe lasts 1000km without the foam losing its pop. Daily trainers are the shoes that will eat up most of your miles, versatile enough and not clunky across different paces. I don't know why a lot of run influencers crowned the $200 SB2 as the best all around daily trainers when they are meant for long distance speed sessions. Most non-elite runners are not going out there putting in 30-50 km at flat ~7:00 pace a week. If I'm looking for daily trainers, I'd rather buy 2 pairs of discounted Supernova Prima than a pair of SB2 for the same amount of price, but that's just me.
Just tried the Z6 for indoor practices and they worked so well. But glad to have ur feedback for the zoomfly. SB felt so good running fast past 15 miles. Excited to try the Z6 for Chicagos built
Its available in Germany on Asics website (all sizes) but the colourway is not good ... on the other hand same problem with Zoomfly 6 here only available in womens colours or the premium 🙄 one
Iam one of these creatures that uses the SB2 for everything. If I dont know what to wear... Sb2 always works. I understand when people say its not really a shoe for easy days, Iam used to Super stiff shoes and strong levers. But is that the only reason why you dont like it as an easy day shoe or do you have some more? (just want to understand it better)
Same reasons I wouldn't recommend a plated shoe for easy days... overly firm and stiff. However, with the SB2 you also get blocky and slappy due to the sheer size of it. Overall not a very fun experience compared to something like the Novablast 5 which IS designed for easy running.
Agree with your analysis except that pace can be subjective for each individual. I find the ZF6 great at easy paces as well as my easy pace is 8 min/mile as opposed to another runner at that pace could be there steady pace in your matrix. Great content as always.
Pace is relative. Which is why o never really mention exact paces… more the type of pace and that implies the level of effort and force into the ground. All of that is individual and relative. Still though… the ZF6 does easy pace ok, as in rest periods between reps or a warm up or cool down… but it’s not a shoe I’d ever take out for an easy run.
Thanks for this comparison. Will you be reviewing ZF6 against Boston 12? I have ZF6 arriving next week and enjoyed B12 a lot as tempo trainer in 2024. I agree with the narrowish SB use case, I only use it for pacey long runs and nothing else, though it does get a lot of coverage that way too.
Not planning on it. Though i will do the ZF6 vs B13 when it releases. The ZF6 is going to feel familiar coming from the B12...just in a softer and more bouncy package. Similar roll of the toe, though the ZF6 wants you up on your toes more than the B12 did. The ZF6 is more "fun", but the B12 is a bit more "stable" due to it's overall stiffness.
Chris, I'm struggling to agree with your ongoing thesis that the only thing the SB2 is designed for is long running with MP/faster segments. Sure, you're not going to bolt them on for 800m sprint repeats on a track, but outside that they're fair game for almost anything imo. Yesterday I used them in a funky tempo/10km pace segment, with small MP pieces, on a treadmill...and they were awesome! Light, stable, on point, zero chaffing. And feet recovered really nicely. But my main point here is: you say they're not for slow running or base building running (8:05), but that doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of how one normally tackles a long progression run in a marathon training block. Tomorrow for example I am doing 32km comprised of 8km base / 5km MP / 8km base / 5km MP / 6km base; for the 22km of base running within that, it's no different to me just...going on a 22km base run. The SB2 doesn't transform into something entirely different because it 'knows' it has MP segments in it. What am I missing? Thanks as ever for your awesome content.
The run you described it EXACTLY the type of run the SB2 is intended for. That run would be a bit too easy to justify doing it in your race shoe and while your daily trainer could handle it, having a shoe like the SB2 min/maxes. I would argue that run is very different than just s 22km LSD. I'm not saying the SB2 is a bad shoe, it's brilliant at what it is intended for. However, it's not the holy grail it is made out to be. That run you outlined though is a perfect example of what the shoe is intended for. Personally speaking, I don't respond to FFTurbo+ that well. If I did that 32k run you outlines in the SB2 my legs would be shot the next day. I enjoy the foam, but it's brutal for recovery for me.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for your reply. I hear you 100%, and agree that it's not the panacea that most ShoeTubers describe, but it feels like you're pigeonholing the shoe without qualifying your view with evidence. The vast majority of runners can use this thing for pretty much anything, including up-tempo/speed work. I think this highlights the issue of the shoe companies -- and by extension, reviewers? -- wanting to label certain shoes with certain tasks in order for them to build brand loyalty/a rotation, when the reality imo is that most shoes can do most things. Last weekend I did a very similar run to today's (>30km, mix of 5:15-5:45 easy + 4:00-4:15 RP) and I wore my Metaspeed Sky Paris - and it was absolutely fine. So back to the SB2, saying "that's ALL it can do" is somewhat misleading. Not trying to be provocative here Chris, just some healthy debate. The SB2s did great on the run today btw ;)
I’ve actually discussed the issue ALOT in my SB2 review and “vs” as well as my monthly “shoe talk” series. I’m not trying pigeon hole the shoe, it’s a fun shoe, but it’s designed to be VERY niche… on purpose. 🤷🏼♂️
I use former race shoes (over 100 miles) as tempo and mararhon pace shoes. The only other type of shoe I need then is a an easy/recovery shoe. That way I dont need anything in between. Right now I use More v5 as easy/recovery while usibg Alpha fly 2 and Metaspeed Edge Paris for tempo/threshold/marathon pace.
This is how I am most of the time...which is why I normally don't cover this class of shoe often...but these two are rather special and unique in the category so they get my attention.
100% agreed with your performance matrix. I have both superblast2 and zoom fly6. SB2 has a "one pace" sweet spot which is in between my marathon and easy pace. The shoe will feel like a boat and require more effort if I'm going faster (and slower, strangely). ZF6 just make a fast running felt easier, only my heart rate disagree with that 😆
Hi, loving your videos so far! Am working towards my first full marathon sometime in the end of this year.. (aiming for 4-4.5 hours). Which one of these shoes would you recommend to pick up? (Preferably 1 shoe to cover for long run trainings + race day) ES4, Superblast2, ZF6 or NB SC trainer V3? Thanks🎉
that is a question only you can answer, physiology and biomecanics are so different from one to another that a blind advice would be just a shoot in the dark. Test if you can, and see what feels best and most comfortable, then try on longer runs if your shoe still works for you after 20k or so. I personally love the Superblasts and I know people who successfully raced in them, but I raced my marathons in Vaporfly v1s until last year because they still beat the many supershoes I tested since I got them. Adios Pro 3 gave me blisters, Endorphin Pro 3 underfoot pain on longer runs, VF2 too snug, VF3 a little unstable for my right ankle, ..., these are all excellent shoes, but I can only find out the me issues when I test them, just like you have to. Your options are all good shoes, if they work for you. Good luck!
@@SagasuRunning currently I’m running in NB5 for daily miles & Rebel V4 for uptempo / speed work. Have an upcoming half marathon that I’ll probably be racing with the NB5..
Great review and comparison! I like - on paper - the relatively small footprint of the ZF6 which is something that draws me back from the SB2 albeit it being so popular and well received. A similar shoe to the ZF6 seems to be the Endorphin Speed. How would you compare both?
The ES4 is a bit different. The plate in it is much less present, it's more there for stability, and the foam is less dynamic. The best comparison to the ZF6 currently in 2025 would be the Evo SL... a video I'll have out in the coming weeks. The Boston 12, while a much older shoe, is also in the same general use case, though the ZF6 is more dynamic and fun than the B12, which is more stable.
Would you consider picking ZF6 for the same use case as Takumi Sen line? My TS8 are close to the end of life and I’ve started looking for speed training pair to replace them. Thanks!
Not really. The TS8/9 and especially TS10 are much more of race shoe(s), much more similar to the Vaporfly or upcoming Streakfly 2. The Adidas direct analog to the ZF6 is the B12… but the Evo SL really is the 2025 shoe rhat will got toe-to-toe with the ZF6… I’ll have that “vs” video in a few weeks.
As a heavier runner I love the Superblast 2 for long runs but have a hard time running fast in them. The Zoom Fly 6 is much better for speed sessions but I wouldn't wear them for a run longer than 12 miles. Both work great in my rotation
Thanks for the review I was waiting for. I know you tend to do your workouts in super shoes. Would you say Zoom Fly 6 is your favorite plated trainer so far? I mean a shoe that can be a bridge between a daily trainer and your race shoe. What if your daily trainer happens to be Pegasus Plus Adidas Evo SL or Novablast 5?
I was always a fan of the ZF series, up until the 4, then I just switched to VFs for everything. The ZF6 is a great tempo shoe. Like what the B12 used to be for Adidas. It is a good bridge between a daily trainer to a super shoe. I’ll have a video out soon that will go into Nike rotation building using the ZF6 and Nike’s other tempo trainers. The three shoes you mentioned all would work with the ZF6, though there is a lot of overlap between them all.
I’m not interested in the Hyperion Max 2 at all… I did try to find the Hyperion 2 here in Taiwan but to no avail. I’ll see if I can find the Hyperion 3….
@@SagasuRunning your lost cuz it’s great but I guess it’s a matter of what works for you and for other as the superblast were a catastrophe for me. Leaving my legs so tired for the next sessions. Again my 5k time is 18:05 and 10k is 39:08 21.1kms 1:29.
I feel like in the disclosure at the beginning you should mention that you are working directly with Nike on developing "brand storytelling" or whatever it was you said. Simply saying that they sent you the shoe is not a full and accurate disclosure.
It’s totally accurate. That storytelling is telling the stories about the shoes, product design, use cases and history… which is what I do here. There is nothing else to it. If that changes I’ll disclose it at that time.
@@SagasuRunning I really disagree. You said in your December video that you're going to be collaborating with Nike on content and, as you said, building relationships within the product and comms teams, and that Nike approached you "looking for storytellers." I'm not sure how you can say this isn't worth disclosing on a product head-to-head between Nike and another brand. It's far far more consequential in terms of potential bias than who paid for the shoes.
Right now they means being seeded shoes for review, nothing else. Allowing me to continue what I do, and always have done, on this channel with no editorial change or oversight on Nike’s part. Overtime, this may change, my hope is that it will… and at that time I’ll disclosure any additional access I have. Until then, my current disclosure covers it, just the same as any other brand I work with.
@@5kribblesI agree the bias is pretty apparent in this head to head. It’s a shame I always felt this channel was better and above that. Also, I’m no Superblast fanboy but it is clear Nike’s money came through for someone.
Can't do the exact same comparison myself as ASICS only offers up to the Novablast 5 in their pecking order for my US 14. Think the difference is much more marked for me in those as ZF6 is a shoe I can take out for intervals sessions, tempo runs and long runs whereas Novablast feel is a more of a plodder although I did over 90 mins it in yesterday so there is some overlap but not on fast days although likes of FOD Runner can bang out 5:30 pace in his but think says more about his ability generally! Currently suffering from Achilles issues, I felt straight away in the ZF6 was a better bet than most shoes in not overly rubbing. The Novablast 5 does a bit but it is not too bad and not a complete "deal breaker". It actually feels better running than walking so not a shoe I would want to wear casually. Oddly then having a very padded heel counter feels just irriates the bursa around my Achilles more. Is the Superblast 2 similar to the Novablast 5 in the heel counter?
The NB5 Achilles counter is more similar to the ZF6. The SB2 is a totally different design that would pressure your Achilles… you’d likely immediately feel it.
@@SagasuRunning ah maybe "helpful" then that I can't use them. That said don't recall much comment on this generally so maybe not an issue for too many. I was trying to work out the other day why my Nike Wearallday "trainers" are best for me in this regard. Think partly less padding, less tighter a fit, the arch support insoles got in them that raise my heel and generally a very firm ride compared to actual running shoes. Feel I almost need to wear a pair of Crocs sometimes!
Nike usually has pretty soft Achilles flares on their shoes. I don’t suffer from Achilles issues often, at best some mild chaffing or blistering if left too long…. But Asics shoes are the one brand that can really wreck my Achilles. The Metaspeeds have always been brutal for me… though the Paris series was ok.
@ yeah think this is one thing about different brands and the basic fit. Like say can always spot a Hoka shoe. Pity Nike don’t do the Mo Farah special Pegasus very low heel counter but that might not necessarily be the “answer” else all shoes would be like that and then I guess loads of heel slip complaints
Hope you would also cover New Balance in 2025, they've got some very attractive race shoes and trainers. This review reminded me of the SuperComp Trainers. They're hard to get a hold of in my region though.
Very unlikely… I’ve not seen any massive change in their material, design or engineering direction from 2024. So I doubt I mention them much on this channel until they change course. Maybe 2026…
He said multiple times before that New Banalce shoes are crap in his opinion. Bad engineering, spongy foams and everything he finds bad or is not a bit interested in.
I have more then 500k on SB but I would not think to compare it to ZF6. The SB is a marathon shoe that can work many pace good enough but doesn’t feel nimble and it’s balky. After long tempo workout today in the ZF6 it’s definitely better comparable to my Asics Magic Speed 4. The MS4 feel more nimble even though on paper it has more stack height. It’s also work well for a variety of paces and it got some edge when it come for speed do to a more pronounced rocker,and stiffer plate. For easy run during intervals it’s close the MG4 is a bit smoother in transition but the Nike ZF6 a bit more comfortable actually the ZF6 step in comfort is exceptional for a pure tempo shoe. Overall I like the ZF6 very much so far it’s impressive. I have also used much in the past Endorphin Speed 3-4 And Boston 12 But those shine in different they have their strengths yet they don’t give the overall comfort of the easy pace smoothness with the performance as the MS4 or ZF6. Nike nailed this ZF6 totally but the MS4 surprisingly was there first. And gladly I didn’t let the dry data turn me over from the MS4
I didn't initially think about comparing them either... but after running in them both i see why people do. I know a lot of people are tying to make a choice between these two and/or looking to figure out when to use what.
as always: depends on the EDIT: shoe size. Google says it is 34/42 as you stated. Maybe this is for US mens 9 and he has a different size? But i belive he has also mens size 9. Probably he measured his pair? Sadly, the shoe is not yet on runrepeat, where they measure EVERYTHING and also compare it to the stats the company says.
@@philipppuchner1115 you meant depends on the shoe size right? But surely you would use the world athletics baseline shoe size when making comparisons - plus he does normally have a size 9 like you say.
@@m_yson ah yes, sorry for the mistake, of course i meant the stack height depends on size. I think the only runnig shoetuber mentioning this all the time is Eddbud. He is always giving the official stack height (in the norm size US 9 i think it is used) and then the stack height anf weight of HIS size, i think UK 12 it is. Yes of course I would use those standards. Strange that some companies meassure the stack height and therefore resulting drop elsewhere it seems, since the website runrepeat, where they measure everything, the cut the shoes open and measure some things again (like the foam, not just from the outside of the shoe inwards), often comes to quite different numbers and drops. TL;DR: I forgot what he said in the video what the drop was I have to admit.
I always use size US 9 on my channel. World Athletics measures from a EUR 42 (US 8.5)...but most brands develop shoes with US 9 as the base (and then scale up and down from there) and it's still the most common sample size across the industry. It also happens to be my shoe size.
Man, people just cannot handle any sort of negative feedback or criticism regarding SB2. I love the ASICS Metapeed Paris Edge. It’s my all-time favorite. But I tried the SB1 and thought it was complete junk. I haven’t tried the SB2 because fortunately for me, I don’t need to wear boats on my feet for stability.
Superblast 2 looks like a daily runner on steroids and hence a crowd pleaser. Nike seem to have done a lot of effort on performance models plus Nike may discount Zoom Fly 6 on sales while Superblast is never on sale.
The Superblast was designed as the training shoe for the Asics Athletes. For them to have the same foam to run in, without having to use the aggresive race shoes all the time. And so the Superblast was borne.
Never actually run in a Superblast. But the even higher stack height and very wide base is a bit off-putting to me. Also it's significantly more expensive(220€ vs 170€) and almost never discounted.
It normally is too me, but the SB is a special shoe. It defined the maximal stack template. That being said, it's a shoe I rarely run in, but see a place for it in a marathon build.
It's not actually daily trainer... 🤷🏼♂️ At least from Asics's perspective. They see it as a super shoe more than a daily trianer (thus the price) and where it seems to be evolving to in 2025 will make that even more clear.
Superblast 2 is my favorite shoe but it seems a lot of people expect it to be a cushiony shoe based on its stack height and geometry, and are then disappointed when they run in it. Asics should put a warning label on the box, or something.
I bought the Adidas Adizero Pro 4 here in the UK, arriving on Monday 6th. Aiming to use these for my first marathon in March (Barcelona) hoping I like them and work well with my / running style
@@buntyboomboom2978 I got mine yesterday. If you like soft and squishy, you're going to love them! I like the ride of the SB2, but they do tend to beat my legs up. The AP4 is very comfortable.
@@SagasuRunning superblast 2 can do everything eazy runs tempo runs long runs and even marathon if you desire...can u say the same 4 the Nike...remember the SB does all this without a plate and from stats the nike is a brick...🤔
I use both in my long run. Both are doing great. But I can tell my feet feel better on the SB2 after 2hr+ run.
It’s always so interesting to me how we respond to foams differently. In a 2 hr run, with pace in it, my feet and legs will be trashed for days in FFTurbo/FfTurbo+. In ZoomX I’ll be totally ready for an afternoon session or the next morning. So interesting how we respond so individually…
Is that with fuel zoom X or with a bit of zoom X and a carrier foam ?
It doesn’t matter ZoomX or ZoomX with a carrier… I know my legs will be good.
Running Kaohsiung HM next week. The Superblast 2 have been my long-run juggernauts. They lock into marathon pace so well and are mighty stable. I haven't had the Zoom Fly 6 for long, but they have been comfortable, responsive, fast and fun for the couple of tempo runs I've used them for - excellent shoes. I am considering race testing them at the Tainan Half Marathon in March.
That will be a good comparison between those two shoes in that use case. Good luck with both races. 🤙🏻
Another year I haven’t picked up the Superblast. Taking zoom fly 6 for a juicy run tomorrow. Very excited to take it down to HM/threshold paces
I'm surprised given you like chonky shoes. That being said, as a mid foot striker, there is nothing in the SB2 inherently for you. It might ever feel slappy.
@ indeed. Especially because this year I want to spend as little time at MP as possible, ironically. I’m exploring the polarized approach.
Even in long runs, to go a bit faster than MP like in tomorrow’s run. I suppose it could backfire but so can anything. Loving the use-case graphics btw
@@MidLifeRunner I saw your video. Years ago I did about 6 months of MAF… got nowhere with it other than really understanding level of effort at easy paces. Coming from cycling I had a huge aerobic engine already so MAF really never helped me…. But I drank the koolaid.
I see the value and “get” it… but from my experiments with Zone 1 running I’ve not seen of felt benefits.
I’ll be curious where you get with it.
Reporting back. You nailed. DEFINITELY a tempo trainer and not a long run shoe with marathon pace in it. I mean, I CAN, but there are other shoes like Superblast for that. The zoom fly 6 sings at threshold efforts.
Good review....I respect your reasoning for shoe usage as you see it...👍🏾 Your reasoning to use race day shoes for important long runs resonates and makes sense to me....
Glad to hear it! 🤙🏻
I feel that the SB2's aberrant midsole width is there just to counteract its also aberrant stack height (though aberrant stuff has been often normalized lately).
I bought that shoe in September (and it was 300 USD in Brazil back then), and I simply DETESTED that midsole geometry, the bevel, the sideflares, everything.
The weight/bounce ratio of that FFBlast Turbo material is amazing, though. I just wish they had a "Novablast Mini" using that foam, something traditional, slim, and streamlined (maybe 36/28mm), but asking for less than 30mm is just too much to ask these days, isn't it?
Happy new year and congrats for the recent achivements, Chris!
Exactly…. Asics defined that template with the SB1. The higher you go, the wider you make the shoe. Now all others are doing this with their maximal stack options.
For running mararhon over in a straight line the added width and stack is fine and not that perceptible… but another else than that you realize how niche the SB2’s use case really use.
To your last point… you may be interested in what Asics is doing in 2025 to the Superblast series… it’s going to anger many but it makes more sense (it’s likely becoming multiple shoes).
@@SagasuRunning Sure. Without an new foam or technology, what BIG improvements should come in a Superblast 3? I mean, the SB2 also "nust" corrected some small things like the stone collecting holes and the not that great rubber. Weight +- the same, upper I don't know. For my low volume quite narrow foot the SB1 upper hugs my foot better and gives me a secure feeling. The SB2 feels looser and I really have to put effort in lacing them up.
Besides that, the Superblast are one of very few models where I use the lace loop method. In 1-2 i use also the last hole, in 1 I use the last instead of the second to last hole and the vast majority of shoes I lace as they come (without using the last hole). Superblast withour lace lock - impossible.
So, the SB gets split up in a plated something and a non plated something?
At least we know a "Sonicblast" shoe is coming in 2025 from Asics. Is this a new shoe or is it one of two directions of the Superblast?
Conderning lower stack, a baby Superblast: How about a Noosa Tri with Superfoam? :)
@@ucatani Brazil? How about Olympikus? I’m in US, so don’t know much about them other than their aesthetics are 🔥
@@CMDV8N3 They're owned by a 70-year-old corporation called Vulcabras, which makes industry boots and have been in the licensing/manufacturing/sales business for that long. They also represent/make shoes for Mizuno and Under Armour in Brazil.
You may have heard that Brazil enforces some prohibitive importing taxes, which makes locally manufactured stuff highly competitive, specially when most people are technically lower-class. At this point, I think the "Corre" line by Olympikus is the best-selling in this country, followed closely by Italian brand FILA, which sort of put together a stronghold in Brazil for some reason. Both brands specialize in entry level shoes, and IMO Olympikus still falls short of a great foam, whereas Fila has some supercritical stuff that is getting there.
Priced at around 80 dollars and weighing 208g in US9, the "Corre 4" daily trainer by Olympikus is omnipresent in Brazil, on streets and races alike. It is stripped down from comfort elements, not necessarily comfortable or durable, but it's definitely the epitome of the "Brazilian workhorse". It has a 32/24mm setup with EVA foam, and people just love it. The line also features a max stack shoe, very comfortable, and a graphene-plated supertrainer, both of which are unexpensive and very decent.
@@CMDV8N3 I wrote a huge reply telling all about this brand, but it was removed for some reason. But yeah, they have some good shoes, but they still lack a great racing foam!
Picked up both in December and have one run in each. ZF6 felt excellent at push to all out pace. SB2 felt incredible when needing to sustain push. The best way I can describe it is that it felt like it melted onto my foot after a while. I love both so far.
Btw your heat map graphic is such a great visual addition and one of the best things I’ve seen in any shoe comps on yt.
They really are, the fact that the manufacturers don't have anything like Sagasu is just downright embarrassing, knowing nothing about a brand and going to their website it's nearly impossible to choose the right shoe. I thought mountain bikes were confusing, until I got into running lol
Yeah, it seems like a small thing but graphics makes such a big difference than you trying to communicate nuanced information.
This is SUCH a succinct way to say it. ZF6 = push pace, SB2 = sustain pace. 👏🏻 Well said! I'm going to use that from now on to describe the SB2 against other shoes. Perfect!
Oh man...back at the end of my cycling days, just as road bikes where splitting into multiple categories and "gravel" bikes were starting... it was NEARLY impossible to tell what was what, especially manufacturer to manufacturer... beyond frustrating.
That was one of the drivers behind the "performance matrix" I developed. it's not perfect, but it communicates the point.
They really do...my design and agency background taught me that deeply.
Thanks Chris! Happy New Year 2025!! I'm not actively commenting these days but doesn't mean not watching or liking your content. Super happy to see you growing and collaborating with top brands. You deserve this phenomenal growth since you're working hard for it. This year and in coming years, you will continue to reach new heights. All the best. I'm happy to witnessing your growth from double digits subscribers.
Thank you. I was actually wondering where you went. It's been a while since I've seen you comment. You are one of the first commenters I remember when I first started out...so it's nice to see you still here. Happy 2025 to you! 🤙🏻
I have both and if I could only have one id choose the superblast 2. I tend to go towards the zoomfly 6 if I'm doing faster workouts upto 5k pace. Then long runs or if I'm going on holiday with only one shoe the superblast 2. I've ran fast 5 k in the superblast and it definitely can do it so has versatility for me.
Having clocked over 650 miles in the og superblast and over 200 in superblast 2 maybe I've become accustomed to the shoe i don't feel any bulkness or that the shoe stops me from doing any run. Even offroad in the dry its fine.
I wouldn't really take the zoomfly 6 passed 8ish miles as I tend to go for more stable cushioned options.
If I’m doing a long slow run I want a daily trainer. If I’m doing a long run with pace I’ll take either, as I said in the video. If I want a single shoe to cover a lot of types of speed training in might need in a build for a marathon I’ll take the ZF6 for the speed and durability…. But still do my important long runs in the super shoe I plan to race.
The SB2 is a great shoe but I find its use case so narrow. The SB1 was fantastic when it was first out as there was nothing else like it on the market. But now, going into 2025, there are a handful of shoes that can offer what the SB2 does, but in different packages. The market has evolved and the SB2, while great, isn’t the only game in town.
@SagasuRunning I think you just suit a lot of Nikes models more than most. The superblast 2 is the ultimate daily trainer. There's still nothing quite like it available. Don't get me wrong for marathon runs of upto 21 miles i think the prime x v2 is better but the superblast 2 can still do them with ease just less propulsive. But then I wouldnt run a 5k or slow runs in the prime x either.
… but the SB2 isn’t a daily trainer. 🤷🏼♂️Also we have VERY different tastes in shoes it seems. That’s totally fine. It’s good there are lots of options out there to find what works for you.
@SagasuRunning I don't understand your definition of a daily trainer. Superblast 2, cusion, comfort , durability, energy return can be used at slower paces upto 5k paces and long runs up to marathon. I don't get which part makes this shoe not a daily trainer.
@@kevinclark5086 Daily trainers are the shoes that will eat up most of your miles. Some prefer their daily trainers to be versatile across different paces, while others (usually beginners, slow runners) prioritize comfort more than versatility. If you don't mind using your $200 SB2 as your primary go-to running shoes including short ~5km easy, casual runs and not for long distance speed training, I'd say you do you and go ahead put in the work.
Zoom fly 6 = best shoe I’ve ever owned (since 1982!). Fast and absorbs all road shock.
Wow. Since 1982!? The ZF6 is a great shoe… but best ever? 💪🏻
I just put in the order for the zf6. My very first pair of plated shoes.
Good start. I great introduction to plated shoes. Enjoy them.
@@SagasuRunning was considering between this and the speed 4 and my brother in law is able to get the zf6 50% off retail price. This is a no brainer. :)
The ES4 was fun, not as aggressive or fast as the ZF6. The plate in the plate in the ZF6 is much more present than the ES4.
I have both. But I haven’t ran in them yet. Still using my og super blast. I’m also a us9. Thank you for another great review. Happy new years!
Happy 2025.
I bought the ZF 6 and did 2 runs 8km and 12km. For my longer runs i prefer the SB2 is more stable and my legs feel fresher after those runs.
My same size in both (US9) Zoom Fly 6 feels a little shorter in lenght and toe box ... better half size up if you want longer runs with those
To your last point… I did mention that…
Easy choice for me, since I’m frugal🤣. Zoom Fly goes on sale occasionally while Superblast never will. Great review.
There is that too.Well said.
I didn’t expect such comparison! Today (before the video) I had a thought that SB ride is kind of addictive. It’s not about versatility or even long runs.
Another comment said it in a very succinct way. The ZF6 = push pace, The SB2 = sustain pace. I fully agree.
@ Yes, very good point. What’s your opinion on the SB2 upper? From aesthetics point of view and quality of material I find it a stunning upper. I’ve noticed that to really connect with a shoe, all boxes must be ticked, including looks. Could it be a factor behind SB’s success? Or Evo SL’s for 2025? Both very beautiful shoes.
@@yiann1sk I like it, I think it was an improvement for the shoe...however I REALLY liked the upper on the SB1. I love Asics's simple race uppers and that one was great...but i know why most didn't like it.
I know many are disappointed with the Evo SL upper... but I rather like it for what it is. it's not the material I expected, but it performs in the same way. The tongue on the ESL is wonky, that I agree, but it also not the end of the world and works fine. The Evo SL certainly has the looks. I actually think the "Evo" silhouette is destined to become an iconic Adidas staple. Maybe not Adidas Originals level, but still a staple.
@ Guarantee it will become a staple look. Destiny is there too, it premiered with a World Record, Assefa kissing it, remember? Evo SL upper is not as premium as SB2 (I was expecting way worse), but it does the job and considering the price lower than both SB2 and Pegasus Plus the shoe is a great value proposition overall. I wanted to ask you the other day: why do you think they didn’t gusset the tongue? Is about production cost or they just wanted to justify the higher price for other expensive models?
I have no idea about the tongue. Adidas has a LONG history of awful tongue and laces on Adizero shoes. It’s almost like they are trying to make them bad sometimes.
The ESL tongue is a pain, but it is simple enough to get in the right place. I don’t care about a gusset but I’d have like the tacking style they did on the AP4 and A9.
I know this video is going to trigger a lot of people, but you summed both shoes up perfectly. I don't care how good the shoes feel, if they cost $200 they make a bad pair of daily trainers period. No shoe lasts 1000km without the foam losing its pop. Daily trainers are the shoes that will eat up most of your miles, versatile enough and not clunky across different paces. I don't know why a lot of run influencers crowned the $200 SB2 as the best all around daily trainers when they are meant for long distance speed sessions. Most non-elite runners are not going out there putting in 30-50 km at flat ~7:00 pace a week. If I'm looking for daily trainers, I'd rather buy 2 pairs of discounted Supernova Prima than a pair of SB2 for the same amount of price, but that's just me.
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Just tried the Z6 for indoor practices and they worked so well. But glad to have ur feedback for the zoomfly. SB felt so good running fast past 15 miles. Excited to try the Z6 for Chicagos built
I recently ran the ZF6 on a treadmill and agree...it worked very well. The SB is a long run shoe, that is what it does well.
@ indoor practices meaning indoor tracks with banks! Sorry. But I’m glad there’s good feeling on treadmills too:)
Oh man… the ZF6 on an indoor track… I can imagine. I felt like a boat on a 400m outdoor track.
@ went in with your comment in mind. (Forefoot striker naturally) so it didn’t feel as bad! Surprising given the stack
Availability & price is such a massive factor. the SB2 doesn’t seem to exist in Europe, I think ASICS have been just messing with us 😂
They are everywhere in most of Asia. I've heard Asics's is having supply issues with FFTurbo+ foam. What they do get goes to the Metaspeeds first...
Its available in Germany on Asics website (all sizes) but the colourway is not good ... on the other hand same problem with Zoomfly 6 here only available in womens colours or the premium 🙄 one
Iam one of these creatures that uses the SB2 for everything. If I dont know what to wear... Sb2 always works.
I understand when people say its not really a shoe for easy days, Iam used to Super stiff shoes and strong levers.
But is that the only reason why you dont like it as an easy day shoe or do you have some more? (just want to understand it better)
Same reasons I wouldn't recommend a plated shoe for easy days... overly firm and stiff. However, with the SB2 you also get blocky and slappy due to the sheer size of it. Overall not a very fun experience compared to something like the Novablast 5 which IS designed for easy running.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you. Then Im just a weirdo, Im fine with that lol
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Agree with your analysis except that pace can be subjective for each individual. I find the ZF6 great at easy paces as well as my easy pace is 8 min/mile as opposed to another runner at that pace could be there steady pace in your matrix. Great content as always.
Pace is relative. Which is why o never really mention exact paces… more the type of pace and that implies the level of effort and force into the ground. All of that is individual and relative.
Still though… the ZF6 does easy pace ok, as in rest periods between reps or a warm up or cool down… but it’s not a shoe I’d ever take out for an easy run.
@ thank you for explaining your thoughts. That’s why imo you create the best content
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The shoe matrix gets me every time.
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Thanks for this comparison. Will you be reviewing ZF6 against Boston 12? I have ZF6 arriving next week and enjoyed B12 a lot as tempo trainer in 2024. I agree with the narrowish SB use case, I only use it for pacey long runs and nothing else, though it does get a lot of coverage that way too.
Not planning on it. Though i will do the ZF6 vs B13 when it releases.
The ZF6 is going to feel familiar coming from the B12...just in a softer and more bouncy package. Similar roll of the toe, though the ZF6 wants you up on your toes more than the B12 did. The ZF6 is more "fun", but the B12 is a bit more "stable" due to it's overall stiffness.
Yowana said that he can feel the plate in the Zoom Fly 6, what do you think about that? I am 84Kg.
Yeah you can feel it after some miles, but its not so bad
You can a little bit but it isn't as harsh as asics plates or something like that
También el Superblast es firme,también se ha dicho...
@@michaelcaricoosuperblast 2 does not have plates
@@Devildog81 And? He said Asics plates, as in other Asics shoes with plates. The topic was Zoomfly and the plate, not that Superblast has a plate.
Chris, I'm struggling to agree with your ongoing thesis that the only thing the SB2 is designed for is long running with MP/faster segments. Sure, you're not going to bolt them on for 800m sprint repeats on a track, but outside that they're fair game for almost anything imo. Yesterday I used them in a funky tempo/10km pace segment, with small MP pieces, on a treadmill...and they were awesome! Light, stable, on point, zero chaffing. And feet recovered really nicely.
But my main point here is: you say they're not for slow running or base building running (8:05), but that doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of how one normally tackles a long progression run in a marathon training block. Tomorrow for example I am doing 32km comprised of 8km base / 5km MP / 8km base / 5km MP / 6km base; for the 22km of base running within that, it's no different to me just...going on a 22km base run. The SB2 doesn't transform into something entirely different because it 'knows' it has MP segments in it. What am I missing?
Thanks as ever for your awesome content.
The run you described it EXACTLY the type of run the SB2 is intended for. That run would be a bit too easy to justify doing it in your race shoe and while your daily trainer could handle it, having a shoe like the SB2 min/maxes. I would argue that run is very different than just s 22km LSD.
I'm not saying the SB2 is a bad shoe, it's brilliant at what it is intended for. However, it's not the holy grail it is made out to be. That run you outlined though is a perfect example of what the shoe is intended for.
Personally speaking, I don't respond to FFTurbo+ that well. If I did that 32k run you outlines in the SB2 my legs would be shot the next day. I enjoy the foam, but it's brutal for recovery for me.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for your reply. I hear you 100%, and agree that it's not the panacea that most ShoeTubers describe, but it feels like you're pigeonholing the shoe without qualifying your view with evidence. The vast majority of runners can use this thing for pretty much anything, including up-tempo/speed work.
I think this highlights the issue of the shoe companies -- and by extension, reviewers? -- wanting to label certain shoes with certain tasks in order for them to build brand loyalty/a rotation, when the reality imo is that most shoes can do most things. Last weekend I did a very similar run to today's (>30km, mix of 5:15-5:45 easy + 4:00-4:15 RP) and I wore my Metaspeed Sky Paris - and it was absolutely fine. So back to the SB2, saying "that's ALL it can do" is somewhat misleading.
Not trying to be provocative here Chris, just some healthy debate. The SB2s did great on the run today btw ;)
I’ve actually discussed the issue ALOT in my SB2 review and “vs” as well as my monthly “shoe talk” series.
I’m not trying pigeon hole the shoe, it’s a fun shoe, but it’s designed to be VERY niche… on purpose. 🤷🏼♂️
I use former race shoes (over 100 miles) as tempo and mararhon pace shoes. The only other type of shoe I need then is a an easy/recovery shoe. That way I dont need anything in between. Right now I use More v5 as easy/recovery while usibg Alpha fly 2 and Metaspeed Edge Paris for tempo/threshold/marathon pace.
This is how I am most of the time...which is why I normally don't cover this class of shoe often...but these two are rather special and unique in the category so they get my attention.
100% agreed with your performance matrix. I have both superblast2 and zoom fly6. SB2 has a "one pace" sweet spot which is in between my marathon and easy pace. The shoe will feel like a boat and require more effort if I'm going faster (and slower, strangely). ZF6 just make a fast running felt easier, only my heart rate disagree with that 😆
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Hi, loving your videos so far! Am working towards my first full marathon sometime in the end of this year.. (aiming for 4-4.5 hours). Which one of these shoes would you recommend to pick up? (Preferably 1 shoe to cover for long run trainings + race day)
ES4, Superblast2, ZF6 or NB SC trainer V3?
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that is a question only you can answer, physiology and biomecanics are so different from one to another that a blind advice would be just a shoot in the dark. Test if you can, and see what feels best and most comfortable, then try on longer runs if your shoe still works for you after 20k or so.
I personally love the Superblasts and I know people who successfully raced in them, but I raced my marathons in Vaporfly v1s until last year because they still beat the many supershoes I tested since I got them.
Adios Pro 3 gave me blisters, Endorphin Pro 3 underfoot pain on longer runs, VF2 too snug, VF3 a little unstable for my right ankle, ..., these are all excellent shoes, but I can only find out the me issues when I test them, just like you have to.
Your options are all good shoes, if they work for you. Good luck!
What do you currently run in?
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@@therunophil thanks for the detailed response!
@@SagasuRunning currently I’m running in NB5 for daily miles & Rebel V4 for uptempo / speed work. Have an upcoming half marathon that I’ll probably be racing with the NB5..
Great review and comparison! I like - on paper - the relatively small footprint of the ZF6 which is something that draws me back from the SB2 albeit it being so popular and well received. A similar shoe to the ZF6 seems to be the Endorphin Speed. How would you compare both?
The ES4 is a bit different. The plate in it is much less present, it's more there for stability, and the foam is less dynamic. The best comparison to the ZF6 currently in 2025 would be the Evo SL... a video I'll have out in the coming weeks. The Boston 12, while a much older shoe, is also in the same general use case, though the ZF6 is more dynamic and fun than the B12, which is more stable.
Would you consider picking ZF6 for the same use case as Takumi Sen line? My TS8 are close to the end of life and I’ve started looking for speed training pair to replace them. Thanks!
Not really. The TS8/9 and especially TS10 are much more of race shoe(s), much more similar to the Vaporfly or upcoming Streakfly 2. The Adidas direct analog to the ZF6 is the B12… but the Evo SL really is the 2025 shoe rhat will got toe-to-toe with the ZF6… I’ll have that “vs” video in a few weeks.
As a heavier runner I love the Superblast 2 for long runs but have a hard time running fast in them. The Zoom Fly 6 is much better for speed sessions but I wouldn't wear them for a run longer than 12 miles. Both work great in my rotation
I can see the use case… they can compliment one another well for a heavier runner.
Thanks for the review I was waiting for. I know you tend to do your workouts in super shoes. Would you say Zoom Fly 6 is your favorite plated trainer so far? I mean a shoe that can be a bridge between a daily trainer and your race shoe. What if your daily trainer happens to be Pegasus Plus Adidas Evo SL or Novablast 5?
I was always a fan of the ZF series, up until the 4, then I just switched to VFs for everything.
The ZF6 is a great tempo shoe. Like what the B12 used to be for Adidas. It is a good bridge between a daily trainer to a super shoe.
I’ll have a video out soon that will go into Nike rotation building using the ZF6 and Nike’s other tempo trainers.
The three shoes you mentioned all would work with the ZF6, though there is a lot of overlap between them all.
Super trainers, I used the brooks Hyperion max 2 very stable shoe but it is amazing that’s another one should be tried
I’m not interested in the Hyperion Max 2 at all… I did try to find the Hyperion 2 here in Taiwan but to no avail. I’ll see if I can find the Hyperion 3….
@@SagasuRunning your lost cuz it’s great but I guess it’s a matter of what works for you and for other as the superblast were a catastrophe for me. Leaving my legs so tired for the next sessions. Again my 5k time is 18:05 and 10k is 39:08 21.1kms 1:29.
And the new zoomfly it’s terrible at easy runs seems like the shoe is fighting against you again my experience.
It’s likely going to be very similar to the HM2… but with better foams and a more aggressive geometry.
im looking for a versatile workout shoe like the zoom fly 6 what would u say are best alternatives to zoom fly 6? is evo SL like that?
Currently, in the first week of 2025 the Evo SL and possibly the Novablast 5 (if you respond to the foam).
I feel like in the disclosure at the beginning you should mention that you are working directly with Nike on developing "brand storytelling" or whatever it was you said. Simply saying that they sent you the shoe is not a full and accurate disclosure.
It’s totally accurate. That storytelling is telling the stories about the shoes, product design, use cases and history… which is what I do here. There is nothing else to it.
If that changes I’ll disclose it at that time.
@@SagasuRunning I really disagree. You said in your December video that you're going to be collaborating with Nike on content and, as you said, building relationships within the product and comms teams, and that Nike approached you "looking for storytellers."
I'm not sure how you can say this isn't worth disclosing on a product head-to-head between Nike and another brand. It's far far more consequential in terms of potential bias than who paid for the shoes.
Right now they means being seeded shoes for review, nothing else. Allowing me to continue what I do, and always have done, on this channel with no editorial change or oversight on Nike’s part.
Overtime, this may change, my hope is that it will… and at that time I’ll disclosure any additional access I have.
Until then, my current disclosure covers it, just the same as any other brand I work with.
@@5kribblesI agree the bias is pretty apparent in this head to head. It’s a shame I always felt this channel was better and above that. Also, I’m no Superblast fanboy but it is clear Nike’s money came through for someone.
Can't do the exact same comparison myself as ASICS only offers up to the Novablast 5 in their pecking order for my US 14. Think the difference is much more marked for me in those as ZF6 is a shoe I can take out for intervals sessions, tempo runs and long runs whereas Novablast feel is a more of a plodder although I did over 90 mins it in yesterday so there is some overlap but not on fast days although likes of FOD Runner can bang out 5:30 pace in his but think says more about his ability generally! Currently suffering from Achilles issues, I felt straight away in the ZF6 was a better bet than most shoes in not overly rubbing. The Novablast 5 does a bit but it is not too bad and not a complete "deal breaker". It actually feels better running than walking so not a shoe I would want to wear casually. Oddly then having a very padded heel counter feels just irriates the bursa around my Achilles more. Is the Superblast 2 similar to the Novablast 5 in the heel counter?
The NB5 Achilles counter is more similar to the ZF6. The SB2 is a totally different design that would pressure your Achilles… you’d likely immediately feel it.
@@SagasuRunning ah maybe "helpful" then that I can't use them. That said don't recall much comment on this generally so maybe not an issue for too many. I was trying to work out the other day why my Nike Wearallday "trainers" are best for me in this regard. Think partly less padding, less tighter a fit, the arch support insoles got in them that raise my heel and generally a very firm ride compared to actual running shoes. Feel I almost need to wear a pair of Crocs sometimes!
Nike usually has pretty soft Achilles flares on their shoes. I don’t suffer from Achilles issues often, at best some mild chaffing or blistering if left too long…. But Asics shoes are the one brand that can really wreck my Achilles. The Metaspeeds have always been brutal for me… though the Paris series was ok.
@ yeah think this is one thing about different brands and the basic fit. Like say can always spot a Hoka shoe. Pity Nike don’t do the Mo Farah special Pegasus very low heel counter but that might not necessarily be the “answer” else all shoes would be like that and then I guess loads of heel slip complaints
do a comparison between the magic speed 4 and the zf6 too, thanks
Not going to happen. I don’t own the MS4 nor do I plan on buying one. I’ve said my piece on that shoe already…
whats the difference between nova blast and superblast??
Asics Novablast 5 and Asics Superblast 2 - You likely no longer need both
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Hope you would also cover New Balance in 2025, they've got some very attractive race shoes and trainers. This review reminded me of the SuperComp Trainers. They're hard to get a hold of in my region though.
Very unlikely… I’ve not seen any massive change in their material, design or engineering direction from 2024. So
I doubt I mention them much on this channel until they change course. Maybe 2026…
He said multiple times before that New Banalce shoes are crap in his opinion. Bad engineering, spongy foams and everything he finds bad or is not a bit interested in.
I bought both 🤷♂️
Thats one way to solve the dilemma...
If only the superblast was available but its not available anywhere
Come to most of Asia… it’s everywhere as it’s not very popular here.
@SagasuRunning Not in the middle east sadly cant find it anywhere
It is interesting how the show is popular in some places and not in others.
I have more then 500k on SB but I would not think to compare it to ZF6.
The SB is a marathon shoe that can work many pace good enough but doesn’t feel nimble and it’s balky.
After long tempo workout today in the ZF6 it’s definitely better comparable to my Asics Magic Speed 4.
The MS4 feel more nimble even though on paper it has more stack height.
It’s also work well for a variety of paces and it got some edge when it come for speed do to a more pronounced rocker,and stiffer plate.
For easy run during intervals it’s close the MG4 is a bit smoother in transition but the Nike ZF6 a bit more comfortable actually the ZF6 step in comfort is exceptional for a pure tempo shoe.
Overall I like the ZF6 very much so far it’s impressive.
I have also used much in the past
Endorphin Speed 3-4
And Boston 12
But those shine in different
they have their strengths yet they don’t give the overall comfort of the easy pace smoothness with the performance as the MS4 or ZF6.
Nike nailed this ZF6 totally but the MS4 surprisingly was there first.
And gladly I didn’t let the dry data turn me over from the MS4
MG4? Is this a 2 times typo of MS4 or do you mean another shoe or something else?
@ yap sorry it’s typo I meant MS4
I didn't initially think about comparing them either... but after running in them both i see why people do. I know a lot of people are tying to make a choice between these two and/or looking to figure out when to use what.
The shoe matrix is the GOAT
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Isn't the Zoom fly 6 34mm forefoot and 42mm in the heel?
as always: depends on the EDIT: shoe size.
Google says it is 34/42 as you stated. Maybe this is for US mens 9 and he has a different size? But i belive he has also mens size 9.
Probably he measured his pair? Sadly, the shoe is not yet on runrepeat, where they measure EVERYTHING and also compare it to the stats the company says.
@@philipppuchner1115 you meant depends on the shoe size right? But surely you would use the world athletics baseline shoe size when making comparisons - plus he does normally have a size 9 like you say.
@@m_yson ah yes, sorry for the mistake, of course i meant the stack height depends on size. I think the only runnig shoetuber mentioning this all the time is Eddbud. He is always giving the official stack height (in the norm size US 9 i think it is used) and then the stack height anf weight of HIS size, i think UK 12 it is.
Yes of course I would use those standards.
Strange that some companies meassure the stack height and therefore resulting drop elsewhere it seems, since the website runrepeat, where they measure everything, the cut the shoes open and measure some things again (like the foam, not just from the outside of the shoe inwards), often comes to quite different numbers and drops.
TL;DR: I forgot what he said in the video what the drop was I have to admit.
Not in the spec/sample size...which is the one referenced and happens to be my size (though Nike now uses a US 10 for their specs).
I always use size US 9 on my channel. World Athletics measures from a EUR 42 (US 8.5)...but most brands develop shoes with US 9 as the base (and then scale up and down from there) and it's still the most common sample size across the industry. It also happens to be my shoe size.
Man, people just cannot handle any sort of negative feedback or criticism regarding SB2. I love the ASICS Metapeed Paris Edge. It’s my all-time favorite. But I tried the SB1 and thought it was complete junk. I haven’t tried the SB2 because fortunately for me, I don’t need to wear boats on my feet for stability.
While this is a bit harsh, I agree. The SB isn't a holy grail. It's a training tool.
Superblast 2 looks like a daily runner on steroids and hence a crowd pleaser. Nike seem to have done a lot of effort on performance models plus Nike may discount Zoom Fly 6 on sales while Superblast is never on sale.
The Superblast was designed as the training shoe for the Asics Athletes. For them to have the same foam to run in, without having to use the aggresive race shoes all the time. And so the Superblast was borne.
The SB2 is a marathon training tool. The ZF6 is a tempo trainer.
Never actually run in a Superblast. But the even higher stack height and very wide base is a bit off-putting to me. Also it's significantly more expensive(220€ vs 170€) and almost never discounted.
Bc superblast 2 is a very versatile, reliable as it will last. And it’s a daily trainer as well. Totally worth it I own them
@Devildog81 Not sure I would use a 45mm heel stack shoe as a Daily Trainer myself. All a matter of personal preference of course.
The firm peba does make it feel more agile than the stack height might suggest
It normally is too me, but the SB is a special shoe. It defined the maximal stack template. That being said, it's a shoe I rarely run in, but see a place for it in a marathon build.
It's not actually daily trainer... 🤷🏼♂️ At least from Asics's perspective. They see it as a super shoe more than a daily trianer (thus the price) and where it seems to be evolving to in 2025 will make that even more clear.
Sold the SB2 after 55k, didn't like the firmness and didn't click with my running style. For me, the NB Balos is better than the SB2
Oh man… you like them mushy and soft I see. It’s good there are lots of options out there for everyone.
Superblast 2 is my favorite shoe but it seems a lot of people expect it to be a cushiony shoe based on its stack height and geometry, and are then disappointed when they run in it.
Asics should put a warning label on the box, or something.
I bought the Adidas Adizero Pro 4 here in the UK, arriving on Monday 6th. Aiming to use these for my first marathon in March (Barcelona) hoping I like them and work well with my / running style
@@buntyboomboom2978 I got mine yesterday. If you like soft and squishy, you're going to love them! I like the ride of the SB2, but they do tend to beat my legs up. The AP4 is very comfortable.
Llevando placa la nike debe de estar un paso x encima de la Asics
Lo siento. No creo que el traductor de Google lo haya entendido...
Two tribes go to war
Haha. Wait until I get tot he Evo SL 💥🌋🧨
@@SagasuRunning It's gonna be an all out war. I be getting my snacks ready and everything ⚔🔫💣
Come on 😂
Where are we going?
Fan boy 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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@SagasuRunning I haven't run in zoom fly 6 but omg needs to be exeptional to be better than superblast 2....I sincerely dought that...😁🤗
The SB2 isn’t the holy grail. It’s a great long run training, maybe the best on the market…. But that is a very narrow niche use case.
@@SagasuRunning superblast 2 can do everything eazy runs tempo runs long runs and even marathon if you desire...can u say the same 4 the Nike...remember the SB does all this without a plate and from stats the nike is a brick...🤔
Try doing 400s in the SB2 or run 1mile race pace… “everything” is more than the marathon.