Some people like to call the Big E a bad dad cause he didn't cuddle his sons enough, but I reckon curing your son of super aids and then setting an evil Demon God on Fire is pretty "dad of the year" material. Speaking of which, help your dad shave his balls here : manscaped.com/majorkill
Majorkill you should make a video on the what the roles of each primarch would be if they all stayed loyal I know other youtubers have made videos on this topic but your opinions could be wildeldly different from theirs I would love to see it
I feel like at the beginning that Emperor truly loved his sons and even humanity but now that he’s own humanity has rotted away he feels only his duty. The emperor is the physical embodiment of the imperium itself: rotting, unfeeling, corrupted, tired but still the only thing keeping the horrors of chaos away.
I agree but I also think that the emperor did love his sons and humanity but he prevented himself from caring about his sons too much because he expected some of them to betray him just like how the laughing God replaced fulghum and the Khan the emperor was legitimately surprised that fulgrim betrayed him and that the Khan didn't I think the reason he legitimately loved Horus because he didn't think he would betray him and he truly didn't because at the end when the emperor obliterated his soul and chaos left him he was like no what have I done!
@@church_world_domination9357 The Emperor is pretty old, wouldn't be surprised he stopped caring after millennia. Seeing people he loved die, being betrayed, etc. At the end, I think he just feared caring again for something other than Mankind. He feared a love the would doom him
I see it as the opposite where becoming a god against his own will is a redemption arc. Space Dad thought he could achieve what he saw in his visions if he made everyone follow his rules and act in a manner to fulfill his visions like treating certain primarchs like shit instead of using his conscience. Turns out those visions were inaccurate and people wanted to worship him as a god. Now he is the will of humanity instead of the dictator of humanity
I was always a fan of the Big E being a caring but flawed father. Horus destroyed him due to his inability to hurt his son, until he realized just how far he'd gone.
Nah. That's old, old fluff. New fluff makes it pretty clear that Big E was always a megalomaniac who never listened to anyone, and whatever happened to him on Moloch slowly stripped away the last vestiges of his humanity. The father of the primarchs was a tyrannical narcissist at best and a psychic abomination at worse.
@Mikael some fans have theorized that Sanguineas entered the black rage he killed Horus and the emperor walked in and was like “good job son” but Sanguineas still on the black rage caught the emperor off guard and fucked him up causeing the emperor to kill Sanguineas in self defense and lie about what happened to preserve Sanguineas’ honor
The Emperor is in constant pain both physically and metaphysically for the past ten thousand years, and no doubt that Big E wasn’t in the best in the head.
@@magicznygosc9718 right, he could have done nothing and let the beast roll up and destroy all the small isolated human planets. What an evil guy not letting that happen
@@KMn048 The Emperor does make tactical and flawed decisions from time to time because by his own emission hes a human a particularly powerful human but still a man even now
I like the pseudo-tts version of the conversation, where tts emperor calls Guilliman extremely average and that he was "always just there" but that in the current age the imperium need a some form of normality to help them out right now and that he's just bland enough to do it.
Guilliman remembers his "talk" with Emperor different time every time he tries to recall how it looked like. How he remembered it first time was him being very emotional and that this conversation was quick. Although Custodes that was with him remembers it - Guilliman standing and talking to himself, while being calm. This custodes also claims that it was a long "conversation" which is completely opposite of what Guilliman says. So perhaps Emperor told him A LOT more, like for example what to do right now, but made Guilliman think that he though of it himself, while also creating fake conversation that is hiding the truth. That would explain why he recalls it differently each time. As to why would Emperor do that? He might wanted to hide the plan so that chaos gods could not learn of it. Considering he can posses Guilliman's body, Emperor might simply revel parts of his plan from their conversation the moment it is crucial for Guilliman to know it.
Maybe to hide the plan from chaos, most notably the octo-nerd, the memory of what to do and how to do stuff had to be revealed through an everchangi.g memory that gradually reveals his intentions, the custodes being uncorruptible may explain why his record states that the conversation went for a long time, a primarch though is corruptible so extra care is needed. It plays with the theme that big E moght view time differently now that he is more than human, maybe it's his way to fuck with tzeentch. Maybe the chrono strife is part of the plan, a chaotic mess in terms of timeline that might be a sort of psychic fog of war that big E uses as an advantage to manipulate events, people etc... Who knows ? Maybe he was the one to knock 13 times the bell in trayzins gallery, maybe he's the reason why fabius bile managed to create a perfect uncorrupted clone of fulgrim that just waits for the right moment to be released from stasis.
seems to me like big E planted a fragment of himself inside guilliman then and there which is why he was talking to himself (two souls or one fragment and one whole inhabiting the same body and having a convo ) which means big E can go around fucking with his mind all he wants (erasing/changing memories , visions ,psychic powers just for a laugh and ofc full on possession like what happened)
The emperor is not known for sharing important information in the right moment. In fact is the other way around. Information withholding when the time is dire is basically his specialty
0:02 “Why do I still live? What more do you want from me? I gave everything I had to you, to them. Look what they've made of our dream. This bloated, rotting carcass of an empire is not driven by reason or hope, but by fear, hate and ignorance. Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus's ambition than lived to see this. We failed Father. You failed Your sons and we in turn failed You. And now to compound our arrogance and vainglory, we have failed all of them too. Did Horus not say You sought Godhood? He build his rebellion on that claim. Oh, how he would gloat and laugh at the state of the Imperium now.” - Roboute Guilliman from Book 3 of Gathering Storm
I do feel that the emperor’s opinion of guilliman’s resurrection isn’t entirely his opinion, but instead his instinctual and practical opinion. I do imagine the emperor actually loves his sons, despite his dislike of their flaws, but he hasn’t been his full self since he splintered his love and empathy in order to kill Horus. When he pulls himself together he does shoe his love to his children, but it’s just too difficult to do that constantly so all that’s left is a cranky grandad most of the time, unless someone can glue his soul back together
His got alot on his plate, he needs his son to step up and take some of the load, his a flipping primarc a warrior who didnt need extra cuddling before the heresy i doubt he needs it now he nows gulli ans what his about, gulli just needed the big E's blessing to go out and get shit done.
*when learning that Roboute Guilliman has been resurrected* TTS Throne Emperor: "I SEE THAT YOU DID NOT REMOVE HIS LIFE SUPPORT AS I ORDERED, CAPTAIN-GENERAL!" TTS Little Kitten: ".... Well, at least Lord Guilliman has returned." TTS Magnus: "Wonderful, the Avenging Son has come back. And oh boy, he ain't gonna be happy when he sees the current Imperium after waking up his 10,000 years of beauty sleep." TTS Rogal Dorn: "Roboute Guilliman did not have a beauty sleep, Magnus. He was rendered into a 10, 000 years of coma after Fulgrim poisoned him with one of his Daemonic blades."
The Emperor is officially a warp God now. Everything he is doing (Deus Ex Machina a champion, invade a rival God's realm, etc.) Is stuff only the other gods had been able to do before.
He's a mortal still. Just one Chaos Cultist cutting one wire on the Golden Throne would kill the Emperor and doom the Universe Kharn slaughters Living Saints for a living
@@christiandauz3742 I'm not so sure about that. After all, souls travel to the warp upon death, the Warp is powered by feeling and believe, and big E has the faith, worship and love of the entire Imperium. The Chaos gods were mere thoughts once, who says a powerfull soul such as the Emperor's with the backing of the Imperial cult couldnt ascend upon death? To give context, the humans and other psychicly attuned races that live in the Tau Empire created a God of the Greater Good and you know how small that population is compared to the Imperium.
"Previously It would take the custodes years of discussion and meditation to know if the emperor made a fart or burp" Lol, this is why I love this channel.
I think Alfa was eventually going to combine the emperor with the star kid. And once he did, The Emperor would realize his past mistakes, ask for an apology from his sons. For The Emperor post reunion with star child, will regret his inhuman actions towards his sons.
I can see that now. Emps: AH, IT IS SO GOOD TO HAVE A PART OF MY SOUL BA-… Kitten: “My lord? Is everything alright?” [rain of sorrow start] Emps: SOB SOB SOB SOB JESUS FUCK WHAT KIND OF FATHER HAVE I BEEN?! [Magnus walks in] Magnus: “Hey, I’m back, did I miss anything?” Emps: SNIFF. MAGNUS, I AM SO SORRY FOR HOW I TREATED YOU. Magnus: “……What?” Emps: COME HERE SO I CAN GIVE YOU A HUG. Magnus: “……[looks at Kitten] Is this a bit?” Emps: COME HERE MAGNUS AND LET ME GIVE YOU THE FATHERLY LOVE I SHOULD’VE SHOWN YOU CENTURIES AGO! Magnus: “I don’t why, but this is terrifying! Please go back to being awful!” Emps: LET ME LOVE YOU, MY PRECIOUS RED BABY BOY! [Magnus flees in confused terror] Emps: LEEMAN! GO GET MAGNUS AND BRING HIM HERE SO I CAN TRY TO HUG OVER A THOUSAND YEARS OF SHITTY FATHERHOOD AWAY! Leeman [grins sadistically]: “with pleasure father.” [Leeman chases after him] Vulkan: “Can I get a hug too, father?” Emps: YES VULKAN! HUGS FOR ALL MY SONS! Vulkan: “YAY!” Corvus: “I don’t know how to feel about this.” [Rogal pops out of the floor] Rogal: “Ah, Corvus, there you are! I need your infiltration expertise to help me with something!”
I think that it isnt really just "the emperor" anymore, but he has become a god prayed to by countless billions, hence he is affected by their desires, whims and pleads for aid, slightly but ever constantly changing him to humanity's need. Then him being split apart and suffered for 10k years will cost you some personality lol, sure he did manipulate his sons, but imo he definitely loved them, even if just as "tools", he was still proud of them I think.
If the Emperor get somehow recovered and is able think for himself again, he would clearly see the mistakes he made, and he would immediately act to repair what can still be repaired, mourn what can't be repaired, and ask his surviving sons for forgiveness.
If he was maintaining the network with the occasional disruption, he could of been completely busy being the system of travel. He also might have returned upon recharge of clean warp energy. Admiral spire was the main leader during the 13th crusade.
The Emperor actually loved his "sons" in his own weird, detached way. He had to banish his compassion to kill Horus. Vulcan gave him hope with his humanity. Its understandable if he sees Rob as a tool because of him being further detached from his already miniscule compassion.
Guillaman: "My father didn't even deign to call me his son - truly he was always a cold, uncaring man" The Emperor: "My soul is literally disintegrating apart, as I hold back hordes of daemons and 4 eldritch gods, boy! FFS, get out and do something and quick!"
Until the Nids show up and eat everyone; but then the Silent King is gonna have initiated the command protocol to reunite the Necrons but then the Eldar will wake up Ynnead which will unlock all their abilities but then the Orks are gonna see everyone else wildin the fuck out and become demi/krorks and the Tau will exist... for like 5 seconds while everyone else goes War of Heaven 2 on each other's asses.
And then rest of the royalist primarchs return and even Omegon with a giant alpha legion army( the alpha legion always stays behind the scenes and build their numbers so they are probably a million give or take) the emporer wakes up and reveals his whole demon army and opens the giant stack of tech he has from the dark age of technology. Even expecting some ships lost in the warp since the dark age of technology show up to help the imperium.
I reckon the shadowlight in the Cain series would be the thing the Eldar and Orkz would want to get their hands on. It's old one tech from the war in heaven.
If it was any other primarch it wouldn't have been so sad. Either the others already knew how the emperor viewed them or wouldn't care. But the most human of the primarchs got his heart wrenched with reality.
Guilliman likely already thought that the Emperor viewed the Primarchs more as masterfully crafted tools than as His actual children. Say what you will about Bobby G, but _none_ of the Primarchs were as acutely aware of the actual state of reality as he is; that doesn't mean that the Emperor being a dick doesn't hurt Roboute emotionally, but more that he already expected it and was able to shrug-off the disappointment. I have to disagree with this being the most-sad of the Primarchs for this revelation to occur to, however. That would have been Sanguinius; Sanguinius would have been _devastated_ to know that the Emperor never loved him... or anyone else, for that matter, including Horus.
@@anthonylamonica8301 I mean the excerpt of guillimans after thoughts from the emperor was pretty straight forward. It stung and a lot of realizations hit him AFTER. As for Sanguinius I disagree. He always made it clear to his brothers he knew EXACTLY what he was and his role from the emperor. You can see hints of this with Khan and with Horus in a few examples. Also his deal with the Emperor over Baal
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I found it quite interesting how Guilliman remembers his conversation with The Emperor differently each time he thinks about it, according to Plague Wars and Godblight. The only person to have a fully objective view of what the conversation entailed was Trajann Valoris, and he described it was Guilliman having a perfectly normal amicable conversation with nobody in particular. It's as if The Emperor has been split into countless shards of himself, and Guilliman, having the big beefy Primarch brain that he does, is actually able to converse with those shards all at once, albeit in a scattered way and he can't even remember most of it.
I like the video but I feel it should have mentioned that the Emperor actually had some love for Guilliman, He called him "My last loyal son, my pride"
I'm just waiting for the first loyalist demon primarch to happen. If the Legion of the Damned function like the Emperor's version of demons and the Living Saints are like greater demons then how sick would it be for Corax to pop up still looking like a badass demon crow to save G-man next time he's in trouble? That would be an interesting discussion between the 2 bros. Emperor might have to step in psychically to stop G-man from attacking Corax which would then also become a Corax/Emperor reunion. Or for the Legion of the Damned leader looking suspiciously similar to Ferrus to show up and confirm his identity and show off his cool new flame effects to his resurrected brother.
I don't think The Emperor only sees his sons as tools.. if that were the case, he'd have put some in the bin for being useless / more work than they're worth, such as Angron. Even though he sees that Angron will die from the nails, and not able to achieve nearly what his original purpose was, he keeps him alive. Magnus is offered a second chance to come back to the Imperium, and Horus he has a hard time killing until he is given absolutely no choice and nukes his soul. Interactions with Russ and Vulkan for instance seem genuine and warm. But the Emperors' not just a man, he seems to be an amalgam of powerful aspects and some times one of those aspects seem to be more dominant than others at particular times.. While on some levels E certainly will see his sons and basically everyone in the Imperium as resources to manage, I think he also cares for them, even the messed up useless ones who hate his guts. Also by the time RG is reunited with him, E has been hooked up to the throne for 10,000 years fending off chaos... Gonna be grumpy af.
You’d have a point, except Malcador the Bro explained that the Primarchs, including their failures and betrayal, were all part of the Emperors plan. So even when they weren’t perfect they were still useful, so he kept primarchs like Angry boi alive. Magnus wasn’t offered a second chance because he was loved- he was offered a second chance because he was needed to get the big E off the throne.
Nurgle: Chilling and watching the Imperium burn. The Emperor (Magically appears in front of Nurgle. Ready to clap his buttcheeks): I heard that you've been talking some SMACK about me.
I really don't like how people interpret the conversation. "Tool" was one of the words used. But also "Son" and a number of other terms. Also, Valoris later states that his version of the conversation doesn't fit Guilliman's version. It was normal conversation for Valaris. That's odd and I would suspect that Guilliman's memory is incorrect. After all, he always seems to remember something different.
I have a theory about Tyberos, hear me out… He’s a failed primarch clone! That explains his size. And the reason why he is so ugly is beacuse the person who cloned him failed. And it also explain why he MIGHT be equiped with primarch weapons
@@primary2630 yup i mean whats fun Specialy if u own armies of a dieing empire. Now they kinda sound like hope returned. Just being a grim evil for the sake of it sucks.
I really like Big E having more of a slightly more active role. He isn't walking around destroying bitches, he's still in his chair. Only as you said, there's a sense of "there's a possibility here" which means that other races and Chaos can actually do stuff, that more Grimdark can be carried out without it being defeat for the Imperium. The lore is in an interesting place, they need to keep this up.
Well then there's the Dawn of Fire series where chaos builds a cannon to shoot literal ghosts at the Imperials, and the only way to stop the ghosts from eviscerating everything is reciting prayers while shooting. So I think Emps is actually sick of Chaos shenanigans and is going to make some asspulls over and over
Too bad. Chaos is the only one that has absolute power. Kharn killed Celestine and another Living Saint more powerful than her Kharn has never died once after the Siege of Terra. Celestine has died Hundreds of Thousands in her very short career.
@@christiandauz3742 Meanwhile Guilliman miraculousy is revived and does permanent damage to Nurgle. I never said Emps was consistent. Only that he was going to use hacks more often.
@@Lightscribe225 Permanent damage? Nurgle and his infinite number of gardens are fine Slaanesh didn't die in Age of Sigmar and she was in a much worse predicament
@@christiandauz3742 Not so fine considering that Nurgle for once was very, VERY angry. Like the damage was small, a paper cut, but the fact that it's a permanent mark is a sign that it was the Emps working his Super Bullshit powers through Bobby-G and Nurgle was pissed that Morty let the Anathema into his garden.
I like the emperor being the personification of the Imperium. The poetry of the Emperor unintentionally actually becoming the god of humanity in a way is oddly fitting. Plus I definitely like the idea of Big E and crew being able to give chaos a taste of their own medicine now. It's definitely a far more dynamic and interesting setting now lol
A thought just popped into my head. If the Emperor could cure the Godblight and resurrect Guilliman from all the new energy he could be gaining from the new warp tear, could it be a sign that he is slowly beginning to regenerate from his wounds from Hours as well and that we may be seeing the Emperor returning in a more stable form at some point down the line?
I have a theory that when psykers are fed to the emperor that their souls aren’t destroyed but assimilate into his soul and become a part of his consciousness and he can’t always control them. So when talking to G man he was struggling to over power all of them so that’s why it was so incoherent. But when he possessed Robute that was him using every drop of power he had to spare.
Guilliman is my favorite primarch after reading lord of ultramar, he is a caring dude who is willing to listening to the doubt of his sons, what could trouble them and try to fix or make them adapt, constantly trying to improve the life of people and genuinely believes in mankind, and wise and kind ruler who is........ quite naive, I was surprised to see how naive he is at times, believing that adaptability is abole all else and that customs and rituals are pointless without a solid purpose (despite the idea of a ritual is contradictory since the point of a ritual is the ritual itself, but that's more a philosophy/spiritual statement that kinda bothers me to a personal level) or how fucking obsessed he is with honor, culture or history, to the point they almost get body by some random orks cuz guiliiman didn't want to destroy some old structures left by an old human civilization
I like that despite probably being the brother he detest the most he admits that someone with the knowledge and skills of Lorgar would had been a great asset given the state of the Imperium after 10K years of decay and regression towards superstition; it is also heartwarming in a way that he tried to give his sons skills that were useful beyond just conquest so when The Great Crusade was finished they would had a place in the new age they helped to create through fire and war, it was a noble goal and tragically naive too. He really seems to be someone that has a very acute grasp of reality while at the same time having some idealism, seemly contradictory traits that make him interesting.
@@g.sergiusfidenas6650 Naive, but if it wasn't for the Hours Heresy? Let's be honest if it wasn't for the Hours Heresy the space Marines all would have found a much better galaxy. Orks could have been dealt with. Necrons could have been dealt with. Eldar stick to themselves for the most part. Tyranids, if the empire didn't have to spend so much resources on dealing with everyone else? Probably could be dealt with a lot easier. Even now the Tau only exist because everyone else is too busy shooting at eachother to take more than pot shots at their empire.
Afaik G man is the one who actually means business and gets shit done. "I'm here to kick xeno/chaos asses and to taxes. *And I'm all out of taxes"* -- Rowboat Guilleman, probably
Personnaly the "cold" big E that G man sees at first isn't the "true" Emperor I think, I mean, his soul, thoughts and spirit are basically broken into thousands of shards, plus he's salty as fuck ! becoming the one thing he has ever say he wasn't (being a god) and seeing how the Imperium has become When he becomes temporarily whole again, wa have see the true Emperor, he was n,ot the best dad, but in a way he was caring for his sons, I mean, he obviously "loves" the Custodes and in a way mankind, so why not the Primarchs ? he's just as flawed and humans as the rest of mankind, plus he has always tried to not taking liking to anyone because he wanted to have a "bigger picture vision" of what he was doing so yes, a father, a not perfect one yes, but still
My Head canon is that due to the fact that Belisarious Cawl killed Captain General of the Custodian Guard Kitten, and Rogal dying to calm down the Emperor's Wrath, and due to the fact that Cawl is really necessary right now and can do nothing about it. Emperor decided to direct his bitternes at Guilliman considering that right now Cawl is the 3rd most important person in the imperium
He’s also mad that the other Custodes went away, Corvus went warp hunting, magnus left, the Star child died, Leman went with Draigo back into the warp, and Vulcan went back into exile
I like to think when the Emperor's body dies, the golden throne and all of the tech attached to his body will simply revive it as the physical manifestation of the Omnissiah while the Emperor himself transcends to godhood in the warp. So while the Emperor is in control of his own body at the moment, the conversation could be hinting that the Emperor is letting an AI that could be assisting him take over for immediate conversations, cognitive thought, etc but is still essentially a programmed copy of himself so they would in their own sense be the Emperor but two entirely different entities. It would be cool to see an undead mechanical Emperor rally Mars to a new technological era while the God Emperor tears shit up in the warp and brings reform and control to psykers, along with not needing sacrifices he would have greater trust / influence with them making them less prone to being used by Chaos.
I've always heard people say it could be one way or another but it being both is honestly so interesting. I could imagine the mechanicus splintering more and choosing between the God Emperor or the Omnissiah.
As much as i loved the fresh lore with Godblight etc. i would love it if GW would just pick up the pace a bit... like the worst thing (besides the Miniature prices) is how fricking slow the story progresses, like we can all see that the current path is 90% the return of several primarchs, be it demon or loyalist but it always feels that the overall story moves forward only every 10 years or so. Its infuriating how long it takes sometimes, even the Horus Heresy took 16 years to reach Terra...
GW going for that historical accuracy to parallel 40k. We're looking at around 150-200 Years as far as story progression (and profit margins), so hope they come up with those rejuvenat treatments soon otherwise we might miss out on seeing Russ or the Khan coming back :P
I'm glad to hear that the Primaris project is now a work blessed by the Emperor. Hope to hear a story soon of the Custodes punishing the Templars for what they did.
I always took it as Emps got to regenerate a bit because the warp rift is powering him up a bit, humanity's psychic power is increasing as a whole, and the astronomican got shut off for a bit letting him cool off and regenerate a little. Having him back in any capacity besides being in the background is insane though
I think my favorite part of Majorkill videos, other than the spicy takes on the lore, is that you actually show or talk about the cost of your sponsors.
Big E started treating his creation as sons after he got to know them. Much to Malcadors surprise... I don't think Big E would lie about his feelings for his sons to Malcador. It even started Before he found any of them.
@@discussedbalkanslav7828 Yeah, Mortarion wanted to kill Roboute Guilliman but the Emperor possessed Guilliman then banished Morty and burned Nurgle literally. I wonder did Angron fight Guilliman again?
Man I love watching your videos because they give me a sense of what some of the characters think. Like sure, you meme your way through a lot of stuff, but I truly understand what you mean. also you ended up getting me into reading the books. Just picked up one about Cawl about a week ago. Im writing a Fan-Novel about a group of characters that me and my friend are making, and this video helps a lot, as well as your other Emperor videos, as my Character is essentially going to Rise up and become a Primarch through a bunch of Cawl like experiments, even though he will become Primearch it will not happen for a long time. Hell I even considered making a Trilogy, or a lasting series about him because I dont want to fuck it up. 40k has a way to build somethings up, or just jerk it off like Matt Ward did, and I dont want our Legion/Chapter of marines and Primarch to be to strong right away. I want to take it slow, add a shit ton of bloody fights, but build the story and characters in a dope way.
The current story I see the Emperor going through is one of a previously Jaded father too caught up in his work to notice or give attention to his sons. However after having some serious issues and nearly dying he finds his som still is there for him and he begrudgingly accepts his help, then when he returns home he finds his son has taken care off all of his work and is worn out but still trying his hardest, so he finds some love he didn’t know he had for him. It’s actually really touching and if it wasn’t 40K it might’ve been one of those cheesy chick-flicks in a movie theater somewhere.
Wow nice I never took the opening of the rift and the spilling of warp juice into the galaxy meant that the big E is also refreshed by it, I only thought that it will only make the influence of the warp gods ever more stronger on the material world
I don’t understand the dislike, like you said it’s clearly explained that the veil between the warp and real space was thinned and warp based powers were amplified during this time. That to me is a pretty definitive answer for the Emperor saving Roboute, he won’t be able to do it always because the warp barrier usually prevents him directly interfering in the physical world, But ya know, since he is without a doubt an extremely powerful warp god at this point makes it easy to believe.
I actually don’t like how they rewrote the emperor as an amoral and utilitarian despot. When everything sucks the grimness is diluted. The true grimdark scenario can only exist when there are actually wholesome and pure characters/intentions but they get twisted and destroyed. Having the emperor be an actual loving father that wanted to take humanity forwards as his chosen children but then becoming a comatose object that is adored as a cruel god that is used to justify the aberrant state of the imperium because his most beloved son was mislead by the evil of chaos is by far a better situation than just having an uncaring and cold monarch that simply sort of got btfo, his plans got ruined and is now just a less impressive but equally as uncaring god. It seems now people think its darker to basically create a situation where good doesn’t exist in the first place, sort of like an “oh you thought this guy actually loved humanity and was relatable? Fuck you” to the fanbase, but that just makes the heresy less impactful.
I agree. Turning the Emperor into really nothing more than an asshole really does seem like a "fuck you" to the fanbase. "Evil despot suffers" is justice. "Good man suffers" is grimdark tragedy.
40k already make it seem there is no good man to begin with. Even if there was, you already know they're going to fail, so why bother root for them and all.
@@Tacoguy1000 Because that is the real base of tragedy. And if you know everything is going to become corpsestarch then yes, why would I care and root for this universe at all ?
@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 I mean, I know the feeling, but at the same time, it is 40k, you kind of expect everything to already be at it's worst from the get go.
Maybe the weird stuff the emperor was saying is one of the souls seperating and speaking as an individual rather than the one person they are all supposed to be?
I think the emperor is just playing 5d chess. Making guilliman think he doesn't love him so guilliman goes "screw you dad, I'm gonna go fix EVERYTHING"
The doom and gloom and “its all pointless” nature of 40k is what kept me from getting too close. I actually started diving DEEPER into the novels when I read the Dawn of Fire novels that released
All the "things never advancing, never progressing, ever" of 40k is what prevents me from investing time and money in this IP. All the never ending grimderpness just doesn't appeal to me.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 It depends though, Berserk for example is something pretty much grimdark but still very interesting and relatable. 40k also has it's glorious moments like Guilliman being cured and waking up, and Indomitus Crusade for example, which keeps me very motivated to follow the lore.
I think he loves his sons. but being everywhere all at once is taxing on the brain even before he got put on the throne. I remember somewhere the emperor being described as being "distant" or distracted. He is and has been under constant psychic assault from the warp from all 4 chaos gods and has a galaxy spanning imperium he's trying to hold together. Anybody would seem a little distracted
True. Added to this he was always a big picture kind of guy and I think sometimes that tendency would manifest in him being more distant and cold towards some of his sons. Instead of putting the big picture on the back burner and focusing on being more in the moment. Some may call Big E a badly written character for some things he's done but I believe he's simply just a complex character and not one dimensional
@@Brynngar1983 Also true. I believe in the new books it's been stated that Guilliman remembers his convo with Big E differently each time and according to the Custodes he was in there for a few hours and seemed to be normal
Guilliman’s godblight vision quest/mega trip handled this really well. Showing how the Emperor viewed the primarchs as tools, explaining how Guilliman felt about that, all whilst scaring the shit out of Morty. Plague Wars books are pretty damn good
I feel like Big E rezing G man and lighting Nurgles garden on fire was the 40k equivalent of, “Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho!” Emps is going on the offensive again!
Majorkill you should make a video on the what the roles of each primarch would be if they all stayed loyal I know other youtubers have made videos on this topic but your opinions could be wildeldly different from theirs I would love to see it
For me, a lot of this came from the descriptions of the interactions with the Emperor in 'The Master of Mankind' by ADB. I felt when reading it that the Emperor was coming across as cold and distant, referring to his sons by numbers instead of names, because he was talking to a representative of the Adeptus Mechanicus. And I've always felt the Emperor reflects what his audience expects, his psychic persona - that's certainly the feeling I got from it. But then other authors ran with this representation and it became normalised in other books. The next time I see ADB on a signing, I'm going to ask him if that was the intent...
With everything going on in the lore at the moment I sense a Horus Heresy rematch i the not so distant future. Mark my words we will see more primarchs return soon. The Lion will awaken, the Dawn will rise, The Salamander shall show his scales once more, the Wolf and the Revan shall return from the warp, the Khan will ride again and maybe.. Just maybe.. The Angel shall fly once again.
I like to think that Morty was super pompous about thinking he won the battle, only for him hear "BOOOOOOOYY!" across the battlefield. It came from guilliman's direction, but it wasn't his voice, It was the emperor's. Suddenly guilliman gets back up in a psychic ray of light killing every daemon it touches and roundhouse kicks mortarion into the warp. I'm pretty sure Morty had it coming out both ways that day
He probably can. Within the warp beings that are direct opposites of eachother or represent opposing concepts can harm eachother even if they aren't the same level of strength. It's why the chaos gods feared the emperor and why the emperor and custodes could do nothing to drach'nyen. They're hard counters for eachother
@@brendanmuller7301 No. No I don't think so. Tricking choas was big enough. Setting one of their god aflame with his mind, is something else. In a sense he still is, but not so much.
Some people like to call the Big E a bad dad cause he didn't cuddle his sons enough, but I reckon curing your son of super aids and then setting an evil Demon God on Fire is pretty "dad of the year" material.
Speaking of which, help your dad shave his balls here : manscaped.com/majorkill
Should do a video with on G mans personal priest Mathew and how big that man’s balls really where….js
I agree
Majorkill you should make a video on the what the roles of each primarch would be if they all stayed loyal I know other youtubers have made videos on this topic but your opinions could be wildeldly different from theirs I would love to see it
Dude they retconed this with new emperror/guilan vs mortarion/nurgle showdown. Apparently emperro cuddled Gay man a lot.
My girlfriend works for them, she prolly sent you the razor Major, Love you, keep em clean bruh
I feel like at the beginning that Emperor truly loved his sons and even humanity but now that he’s own humanity has rotted away he feels only his duty. The emperor is the physical embodiment of the imperium itself: rotting, unfeeling, corrupted, tired but still the only thing keeping the horrors of chaos away.
Exactly! The Emperor is the Imperium and the Imperium is the Emperor.
In his quest to save Mankind he lost his Humanity. Ironic
I agree but I also think that the emperor did love his sons and humanity but he prevented himself from caring about his sons too much because he expected some of them to betray him just like how the laughing God replaced fulghum and the Khan the emperor was legitimately surprised that fulgrim betrayed him and that the Khan didn't I think the reason he legitimately loved Horus because he didn't think he would betray him and he truly didn't because at the end when the emperor obliterated his soul and chaos left him he was like no what have I done!
@@church_world_domination9357 The Emperor is pretty old, wouldn't be surprised he stopped caring after millennia. Seeing people he loved die, being betrayed, etc. At the end, I think he just feared caring again for something other than Mankind. He feared a love the would doom him
I see it as the opposite where becoming a god against his own will is a redemption arc. Space Dad thought he could achieve what he saw in his visions if he made everyone follow his rules and act in a manner to fulfill his visions like treating certain primarchs like shit instead of using his conscience. Turns out those visions were inaccurate and people wanted to worship him as a god. Now he is the will of humanity instead of the dictator of humanity
I was always a fan of the Big E being a caring but flawed father. Horus destroyed him due to his inability to hurt his son, until he realized just how far he'd gone.
Nah. That's old, old fluff. New fluff makes it pretty clear that Big E was always a megalomaniac who never listened to anyone, and whatever happened to him on Moloch slowly stripped away the last vestiges of his humanity. The father of the primarchs was a tyrannical narcissist at best and a psychic abomination at worse.
I think it was more of:
-I can fix him.
*Blam close call*
-Fuck, I gotta put him down
horus was a cool dude until chaos seduced him and i think it was his choice and has daddy issues
@Mikael some fans have theorized that Sanguineas entered the black rage he killed Horus and the emperor walked in and was like “good job son” but Sanguineas still on the black rage caught the emperor off guard and fucked him up causeing the emperor to kill Sanguineas in self defense and lie about what happened to preserve Sanguineas’ honor
Angron would like to disagree with you
The Emperor is in constant pain both physically and metaphysically for the past ten thousand years, and no doubt that Big E wasn’t in the best in the head.
Yeah. His mind is quite literally split into pieces with his soul and he is picking those pieces slowly back together.
All of that pain came to his because of his actions.
@@magicznygosc9718 right, he could have done nothing and let the beast roll up and destroy all the small isolated human planets. What an evil guy not letting that happen
@@KMn048 The Emperor does make tactical and flawed decisions from time to time because by his own emission hes a human a particularly powerful human but still a man even now
Don’t forget the fact that thousands of psychers are being sacrificed to him
I like the pseudo-tts version of the conversation, where tts emperor calls Guilliman extremely average and that he was "always just there" but that in the current age the imperium need a some form of normality to help them out right now and that he's just bland enough to do it.
A bland man for a weird time. The only way you can balance the Imperium.
Excuse you, but TTS is cannon and anything GW writes is fanfiction
So idiocracy but 40k.
@@guidosartorelli3811 strangely accurate
@@guidosartorelli3811 well yes.
Guilliman remembers his "talk" with Emperor different time every time he tries to recall how it looked like. How he remembered it first time was him being very emotional and that this conversation was quick.
Although Custodes that was with him remembers it - Guilliman standing and talking to himself, while being calm. This custodes also claims that it was a long "conversation" which is completely opposite of what Guilliman says.
So perhaps Emperor told him A LOT more, like for example what to do right now, but made Guilliman think that he though of it himself, while also creating fake conversation that is hiding the truth. That would explain why he recalls it differently each time.
As to why would Emperor do that? He might wanted to hide the plan so that chaos gods could not learn of it. Considering he can posses Guilliman's body, Emperor might simply revel parts of his plan from their conversation the moment it is crucial for Guilliman to know it.
Maybe to hide the plan from chaos, most notably the octo-nerd, the memory of what to do and how to do stuff had to be revealed through an everchangi.g memory that gradually reveals his intentions, the custodes being uncorruptible may explain why his record states that the conversation went for a long time, a primarch though is corruptible so extra care is needed.
It plays with the theme that big E moght view time differently now that he is more than human, maybe it's his way to fuck with tzeentch.
Maybe the chrono strife is part of the plan, a chaotic mess in terms of timeline that might be a sort of psychic fog of war that big E uses as an advantage to manipulate events, people etc...
Who knows ?
Maybe he was the one to knock 13 times the bell in trayzins gallery, maybe he's the reason why fabius bile managed to create a perfect uncorrupted clone of fulgrim that just waits for the right moment to be released from stasis.
Honestly sounds like a Big E move if ever there was one
That is unfortunately a very BIG E ploy
seems to me like big E planted a fragment of himself inside guilliman then and there which is why he was talking to himself (two souls or one fragment and one whole inhabiting the same body and having a convo ) which means big E can go around fucking with his mind all he wants (erasing/changing memories , visions ,psychic powers just for a laugh and ofc full on possession like what happened)
The emperor is not known for sharing important information in the right moment. In fact is the other way around. Information withholding when the time is dire is basically his specialty
0:02 “Why do I still live? What more do you want from me? I gave everything I had to you, to them. Look what they've made of our dream. This bloated, rotting carcass of an empire is not driven by reason or hope, but by fear, hate and ignorance. Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus's ambition than lived to see this. We failed Father. You failed Your sons and we in turn failed You. And now to compound our arrogance and vainglory, we have failed all of them too. Did Horus not say You sought Godhood? He build his rebellion on that claim. Oh, how he would gloat and laugh at the state of the Imperium now.” - Roboute Guilliman from Book 3 of Gathering Storm
Guilliman was right about this, but there is still hope for Mankind. Guilliman is this hope
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@@lettuceguacamolebacontomat9813 cringe
Neutron stars for balls to not only speak to Big E but chastise him.
I do feel that the emperor’s opinion of guilliman’s resurrection isn’t entirely his opinion, but instead his instinctual and practical opinion. I do imagine the emperor actually loves his sons, despite his dislike of their flaws, but he hasn’t been his full self since he splintered his love and empathy in order to kill Horus. When he pulls himself together he does shoe his love to his children, but it’s just too difficult to do that constantly so all that’s left is a cranky grandad most of the time, unless someone can glue his soul back together
He likes Sanguineous, Vulkan, and Corax for sure. I'm sure he probably likes Dorn too.
His got alot on his plate, he needs his son to step up and take some of the load, his a flipping primarc a warrior who didnt need extra cuddling before the heresy i doubt he needs it now he nows gulli ans what his about, gulli just needed the big E's blessing to go out and get shit done.
@@aethertech i thougt dorn was dom from f&f
@@liam1666 did you have a fucking stroke writing this?
"Does shoe his love" lol
The emperor when Booby G was revived was like “finally son you came back from the shop with milk and cigarettes”
*when learning that Roboute Guilliman has been resurrected*
TTS Throne Emperor: "I SEE THAT YOU DID NOT REMOVE HIS LIFE SUPPORT AS I ORDERED, CAPTAIN-GENERAL!"
TTS Little Kitten: ".... Well, at least Lord Guilliman has returned."
TTS Magnus: "Wonderful, the Avenging Son has come back. And oh boy, he ain't gonna be happy when he sees the current Imperium after waking up his 10,000 years of beauty sleep."
TTS Rogal Dorn: "Roboute Guilliman did not have a beauty sleep, Magnus. He was rendered into a 10, 000 years of coma after Fulgrim poisoned him with one of his Daemonic blades."
Bonus points if G man is played as god I hate what my legion has become
Gulliman: Oi fuckers , take this flaming sword to your chest.
Do you hear the voices too? I do.
Good thing G-Man has a strong heart, if he saw the logistics of the current Imperium he would have a heart attack
@@alexpaul4144 he just incinerates Cato Sacarius into the warp and back
Whenever you say "but he died..." my heart skip a beat for a second, but then it comes "...BUT HE SURVIVED!!" so i can relax. You always got me there.
"Did you die?"
"Sadly, yes. BUT I LIVED!"
Whenever he says it like that, "but he died.." i kinda smile to myself and go "but he survived" cause i know it's 100% coming
"by being dead...
...in pretend"
The Emperor is officially a warp God now. Everything he is doing (Deus Ex Machina a champion, invade a rival God's realm, etc.) Is stuff only the other gods had been able to do before.
He's a mortal still. Just one Chaos Cultist cutting one wire on the Golden Throne would kill the Emperor and doom the Universe
Kharn slaughters Living Saints for a living
@@christiandauz3742 I'm not so sure about that. After all, souls travel to the warp upon death, the Warp is powered by feeling and believe, and big E has the faith, worship and love of the entire Imperium.
The Chaos gods were mere thoughts once, who says a powerfull soul such as the Emperor's with the backing of the Imperial cult couldnt ascend upon death?
To give context, the humans and other psychicly attuned races that live in the Tau Empire created a God of the Greater Good and you know how small that population is compared to the Imperium.
@@axios4702
Chaos Gods can bring back Alpharius and Konrad Curze from the dead anytime and anywhere
Emperor can't revive Ciaphas Cain
@@christiandauz3742 or the Emperor will return some time later after his current body finally died
@@deviliciouspanda2430
Doubt it
After Magnus permanently killed Malcador Alivia Sureka, another Perpetual, sacrificed her life to bring back Malcador
"Previously It would take the custodes years of discussion and meditation to know if the emperor made a fart or burp" Lol, this is why I love this channel.
I think Alfa was eventually going to combine the emperor with the star kid. And once he did, The Emperor would realize his past mistakes, ask for an apology from his sons. For The Emperor post reunion with star child, will regret his inhuman actions towards his sons.
I can see that now.
Emps: AH, IT IS SO GOOD TO HAVE A PART OF MY SOUL BA-…
Kitten: “My lord? Is everything alright?”
[rain of sorrow start]
Emps: SOB SOB SOB SOB JESUS FUCK WHAT KIND OF FATHER HAVE I BEEN?!
[Magnus walks in]
Magnus: “Hey, I’m back, did I miss anything?”
Emps: SNIFF. MAGNUS, I AM SO SORRY FOR HOW I TREATED YOU.
Magnus: “……What?”
Emps: COME HERE SO I CAN GIVE YOU A HUG.
Magnus: “……[looks at Kitten] Is this a bit?”
Emps: COME HERE MAGNUS AND LET ME GIVE YOU THE FATHERLY LOVE I SHOULD’VE SHOWN YOU CENTURIES AGO!
Magnus: “I don’t why, but this is terrifying! Please go back to being awful!”
Emps: LET ME LOVE YOU, MY PRECIOUS RED BABY BOY!
[Magnus flees in confused terror]
Emps: LEEMAN! GO GET MAGNUS AND BRING HIM HERE SO I CAN TRY TO HUG OVER A THOUSAND YEARS OF SHITTY FATHERHOOD AWAY!
Leeman [grins sadistically]: “with pleasure father.”
[Leeman chases after him]
Vulkan: “Can I get a hug too, father?”
Emps: YES VULKAN! HUGS FOR ALL MY SONS!
Vulkan: “YAY!”
Corvus: “I don’t know how to feel about this.”
[Rogal pops out of the floor]
Rogal: “Ah, Corvus, there you are! I need your infiltration expertise to help me with something!”
@@eatinganemone89 Jaghatia khan appears and is like: dude your pretty terrible.
Emps: I know and I am forever sorry about it, hug?
Jaghatia khan: yea
I miss TTS so much.
Soooooo much...
I always thought Alpha was going to have Kitten become the father figure the Primarchs needed
I think that it isnt really just "the emperor" anymore, but he has become a god prayed to by countless billions, hence he is affected by their desires, whims and pleads for aid, slightly but ever constantly changing him to humanity's need.
Then him being split apart and suffered for 10k years will cost you some personality lol, sure he did manipulate his sons, but imo he definitely loved them, even if just as "tools", he was still proud of them I think.
If the Emperor get somehow recovered and is able think for himself again, he would clearly see the mistakes he made, and he would immediately act to repair what can still be repaired, mourn what can't be repaired, and ask his surviving sons for forgiveness.
If he was maintaining the network with the occasional disruption, he could of been completely busy being the system of travel. He also might have returned upon recharge of clean warp energy. Admiral spire was the main leader during the 13th crusade.
The Emperor actually loved his "sons" in his own weird, detached way. He had to banish his compassion to kill Horus. Vulcan gave him hope with his humanity. Its understandable if he sees Rob as a tool because of him being further detached from his already miniscule compassion.
Guillaman: "My father didn't even deign to call me his son - truly he was always a cold, uncaring man"
The Emperor: "My soul is literally disintegrating apart, as I hold back hordes of daemons and 4 eldritch gods, boy! FFS, get out and do something and quick!"
Until the Nids show up and eat everyone; but then the Silent King is gonna have initiated the command protocol to reunite the Necrons but then the Eldar will wake up Ynnead which will unlock all their abilities but then the Orks are gonna see everyone else wildin the fuck out and become demi/krorks and the Tau will exist... for like 5 seconds while everyone else goes War of Heaven 2 on each other's asses.
The Tau are just sitting there being so silent that nobody notices them. As if they move a single faction would single handedly kill every fish person
@@steffanyschwartz7801 they have achieved the ability to stand so incredibly still that they are invisible to the eyes of the gods.
@@inserisciunnome they do have weaker souls so it makes sense
And then rest of the royalist primarchs return and even Omegon with a giant alpha legion army( the alpha legion always stays behind the scenes and build their numbers so they are probably a million give or take) the emporer wakes up and reveals his whole demon army and opens the giant stack of tech he has from the dark age of technology. Even expecting some ships lost in the warp since the dark age of technology show up to help the imperium.
I reckon the shadowlight in the Cain series would be the thing the Eldar and Orkz would want to get their hands on.
It's old one tech from the war in heaven.
Sounds like the emperor has been dealing with the mother of all depressions for ten thousand years and is only now finally coming out of it.
If it was any other primarch it wouldn't have been so sad. Either the others already knew how the emperor viewed them or wouldn't care. But the most human of the primarchs got his heart wrenched with reality.
Guilliman likely already thought that the Emperor viewed the Primarchs more as masterfully crafted tools than as His actual children. Say what you will about Bobby G, but _none_ of the Primarchs were as acutely aware of the actual state of reality as he is; that doesn't mean that the Emperor being a dick doesn't hurt Roboute emotionally, but more that he already expected it and was able to shrug-off the disappointment.
I have to disagree with this being the most-sad of the Primarchs for this revelation to occur to, however. That would have been Sanguinius; Sanguinius would have been _devastated_ to know that the Emperor never loved him... or anyone else, for that matter, including Horus.
@@anthonylamonica8301 I mean the excerpt of guillimans after thoughts from the emperor was pretty straight forward. It stung and a lot of realizations hit him AFTER.
As for Sanguinius I disagree. He always made it clear to his brothers he knew EXACTLY what he was and his role from the emperor. You can see hints of this with Khan and with Horus in a few examples. Also his deal with the Emperor over Baal
@Anthony LaMonica Dorn probably also would have taken it pretty hard
@@anthonylamonica8301 I think Jaghatai would be the least bothered by the revelation of what the Emperor really was, they never really saw eye to eye.
@@Zipa7 I wonder who would care less, the Khan or Angron
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I honestly was confused at first xD
@@aizoid4735 aha didn’t realise at first it said loved. Should be moved.
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@@bobnish1 kinky ;3
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@@NeonKnight83 Why would anyone want to strangle his dog?
I found it quite interesting how Guilliman remembers his conversation with The Emperor differently each time he thinks about it, according to Plague Wars and Godblight. The only person to have a fully objective view of what the conversation entailed was Trajann Valoris, and he described it was Guilliman having a perfectly normal amicable conversation with nobody in particular. It's as if The Emperor has been split into countless shards of himself, and Guilliman, having the big beefy Primarch brain that he does, is actually able to converse with those shards all at once, albeit in a scattered way and he can't even remember most of it.
I like the video but I feel it should have mentioned that the Emperor actually had some love for Guilliman, He called him "My last loyal son, my pride"
He did mention it, watch the video before commenting.
I'm just waiting for the first loyalist demon primarch to happen. If the Legion of the Damned function like the Emperor's version of demons and the Living Saints are like greater demons then how sick would it be for Corax to pop up still looking like a badass demon crow to save G-man next time he's in trouble? That would be an interesting discussion between the 2 bros. Emperor might have to step in psychically to stop G-man from attacking Corax which would then also become a Corax/Emperor reunion. Or for the Legion of the Damned leader looking suspiciously similar to Ferrus to show up and confirm his identity and show off his cool new flame effects to his resurrected brother.
I don't think The Emperor only sees his sons as tools.. if that were the case, he'd have put some in the bin for being useless / more work than they're worth, such as Angron. Even though he sees that Angron will die from the nails, and not able to achieve nearly what his original purpose was, he keeps him alive. Magnus is offered a second chance to come back to the Imperium, and Horus he has a hard time killing until he is given absolutely no choice and nukes his soul. Interactions with Russ and Vulkan for instance seem genuine and warm. But the Emperors' not just a man, he seems to be an amalgam of powerful aspects and some times one of those aspects seem to be more dominant than others at particular times.. While on some levels E certainly will see his sons and basically everyone in the Imperium as resources to manage, I think he also cares for them, even the messed up useless ones who hate his guts.
Also by the time RG is reunited with him, E has been hooked up to the throne for 10,000 years fending off chaos... Gonna be grumpy af.
You say that, but Primarch's II and XI would probably disagree if the Emperor hadn't put them in the bin for being more trouble than their worth.
You’d have a point, except Malcador the Bro explained that the Primarchs, including their failures and betrayal, were all part of the Emperors plan. So even when they weren’t perfect they were still useful, so he kept primarchs like Angry boi alive. Magnus wasn’t offered a second chance because he was loved- he was offered a second chance because he was needed to get the big E off the throne.
Ofc hes gonna be grumpy, imagine the cramps and backpain from sitting for 10,000 years, while the chair you're sitting on is a torture device
@@JAMBUILDER08 can confirm that it's true, been injured and barely get to do stuff. Not in Big E's way but I know the feeling
@@anthonylamonica8301 I mean Primarch's II and XI must have done shit really bad that lead to it.
Nurgle: Chilling and watching the Imperium burn.
The Emperor (Magically appears in front of Nurgle. Ready to clap his buttcheeks): I heard that you've been talking some SMACK about me.
I really don't like how people interpret the conversation. "Tool" was one of the words used. But also "Son" and a number of other terms. Also, Valoris later states that his version of the conversation doesn't fit Guilliman's version. It was normal conversation for Valaris. That's odd and I would suspect that Guilliman's memory is incorrect. After all, he always seems to remember something different.
I have a theory about Tyberos, hear me out… He’s a failed primarch clone! That explains his size. And the reason why he is so ugly is beacuse the person who cloned him failed. And it also explain why he MIGHT be equiped with primarch weapons
Maybe...just maybe
I have a wild ass theory that he is actually Rogal Dorn.
Why do people have these wonky theories about Tyberos? Man was probably just one of those 13 year olds who are like 6’ 6” when he got recruited.
He had Gigantism most likely.
Maybe he's just a genetic anomaly, took a bit to well to his modifications and implants.
Honestly think this was the best thing gw done with 40k lore in a loooong time
Actually advancing the plot
@@primary2630 yup i mean whats fun Specialy if u own armies of a dieing empire. Now they kinda sound like hope returned. Just being a grim evil for the sake of it sucks.
be cool if chao's wins then the nids destroy everything, the nerd rage would be epic and worth it.
@@MusMasi nids cant eat demons
@@primary2630 or the necrons
I really like Big E having more of a slightly more active role. He isn't walking around destroying bitches, he's still in his chair. Only as you said, there's a sense of "there's a possibility here" which means that other races and Chaos can actually do stuff, that more Grimdark can be carried out without it being defeat for the Imperium.
The lore is in an interesting place, they need to keep this up.
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@@civilizedhuman7875 “civilized human”… I have doubts about that, unlike my own username
@@civilizedhuman7875 Obi-Wan Kenobi: "So uncivilized."
@@62sy the irony
Well then there's the Dawn of Fire series where chaos builds a cannon to shoot literal ghosts at the Imperials, and the only way to stop the ghosts from eviscerating everything is reciting prayers while shooting. So I think Emps is actually sick of Chaos shenanigans and is going to make some asspulls over and over
Too bad. Chaos is the only one that has absolute power.
Kharn killed Celestine and another Living Saint more powerful than her
Kharn has never died once after the Siege of Terra. Celestine has died Hundreds of Thousands in her very short career.
@@christiandauz3742 Meanwhile Guilliman miraculousy is revived and does permanent damage to Nurgle. I never said Emps was consistent. Only that he was going to use hacks more often.
@@Lightscribe225
Permanent damage? Nurgle and his infinite number of gardens are fine
Slaanesh didn't die in Age of Sigmar and she was in a much worse predicament
@@christiandauz3742 Not so fine considering that Nurgle for once was very, VERY angry. Like the damage was small, a paper cut, but the fact that it's a permanent mark is a sign that it was the Emps working his Super Bullshit powers through Bobby-G and Nurgle was pissed that Morty let the Anathema into his garden.
@@Lightscribe225
Nurgle could send the Purge to kill every last non-Traitor Cadian for revenge
There are Traitor Cadians including Nurgle ones
I like the emperor being the personification of the Imperium. The poetry of the Emperor unintentionally actually becoming the god of humanity in a way is oddly fitting. Plus I definitely like the idea of Big E and crew being able to give chaos a taste of their own medicine now. It's definitely a far more dynamic and interesting setting now lol
A thought just popped into my head. If the Emperor could cure the Godblight and resurrect Guilliman from all the new energy he could be gaining from the new warp tear, could it be a sign that he is slowly beginning to regenerate from his wounds from Hours as well and that we may be seeing the Emperor returning in a more stable form at some point down the line?
I have a theory that when psykers are fed to the emperor that their souls aren’t destroyed but assimilate into his soul and become a part of his consciousness and he can’t always control them. So when talking to G man he was struggling to over power all of them so that’s why it was so incoherent. But when he possessed Robute that was him using every drop of power he had to spare.
awww that's so sweet
Telling Nurgle himself that your going to fuckin kill him is metal asf
Guilliman is my favorite primarch after reading lord of ultramar, he is a caring dude who is willing to listening to the doubt of his sons, what could trouble them and try to fix or make them adapt, constantly trying to improve the life of people and genuinely believes in mankind, and wise and kind ruler who is........ quite naive, I was surprised to see how naive he is at times, believing that adaptability is abole all else and that customs and rituals are pointless without a solid purpose (despite the idea of a ritual is contradictory since the point of a ritual is the ritual itself, but that's more a philosophy/spiritual statement that kinda bothers me to a personal level) or how fucking obsessed he is with honor, culture or history, to the point they almost get body by some random orks cuz guiliiman didn't want to destroy some old structures left by an old human civilization
I like that despite probably being the brother he detest the most he admits that someone with the knowledge and skills of Lorgar would had been a great asset given the state of the Imperium after 10K years of decay and regression towards superstition; it is also heartwarming in a way that he tried to give his sons skills that were useful beyond just conquest so when The Great Crusade was finished they would had a place in the new age they helped to create through fire and war, it was a noble goal and tragically naive too. He really seems to be someone that has a very acute grasp of reality while at the same time having some idealism, seemly contradictory traits that make him interesting.
@@g.sergiusfidenas6650 Naive, but if it wasn't for the Hours Heresy? Let's be honest if it wasn't for the Hours Heresy the space Marines all would have found a much better galaxy.
Orks could have been dealt with.
Necrons could have been dealt with.
Eldar stick to themselves for the most part.
Tyranids, if the empire didn't have to spend so much resources on dealing with everyone else? Probably could be dealt with a lot easier.
Even now the Tau only exist because everyone else is too busy shooting at eachother to take more than pot shots at their empire.
Afaik G man is the one who actually means business and gets shit done.
"I'm here to kick xeno/chaos asses and to taxes. *And I'm all out of taxes"*
-- Rowboat Guilleman, probably
8:05 literally Deus ex machina and it's fucking awesome
Jokes on you, Majorkill, Warhammer nerds don't have kids - only tools. Some favoured, others not so much.
Personnaly the "cold" big E that G man sees at first isn't the "true" Emperor I think, I mean, his soul, thoughts and spirit are basically broken into thousands of shards, plus he's salty as fuck ! becoming the one thing he has ever say he wasn't (being a god) and seeing how the Imperium has become
When he becomes temporarily whole again, wa have see the true Emperor, he was n,ot the best dad, but in a way he was caring for his sons, I mean, he obviously "loves" the Custodes and in a way mankind, so why not the Primarchs ? he's just as flawed and humans as the rest of mankind, plus he has always tried to not taking liking to anyone because he wanted to have a "bigger picture vision" of what he was doing
so yes, a father, a not perfect one yes, but still
My Head canon is that due to the fact that Belisarious Cawl killed Captain General of the Custodian Guard Kitten, and Rogal dying to calm down the Emperor's Wrath, and due to the fact that Cawl is really necessary right now and can do nothing about it.
Emperor decided to direct his bitternes at Guilliman considering that right now Cawl is the 3rd most important person in the imperium
The Emperor is just jelly that Guilliman can walk without having to stretch after ten thousand years
He’s also mad that the other Custodes went away, Corvus went warp hunting, magnus left, the Star child died, Leman went with Draigo back into the warp, and Vulcan went back into exile
@@steffanyschwartz7801 Isn't the star child actually awakening during the current Indomitus Crusade?
I like to think when the Emperor's body dies, the golden throne and all of the tech attached to his body will simply revive it as the physical manifestation of the Omnissiah while the Emperor himself transcends to godhood in the warp. So while the Emperor is in control of his own body at the moment, the conversation could be hinting that the Emperor is letting an AI that could be assisting him take over for immediate conversations, cognitive thought, etc but is still essentially a programmed copy of himself so they would in their own sense be the Emperor but two entirely different entities. It would be cool to see an undead mechanical Emperor rally Mars to a new technological era while the God Emperor tears shit up in the warp and brings reform and control to psykers, along with not needing sacrifices he would have greater trust / influence with them making them less prone to being used by Chaos.
I've always heard people say it could be one way or another but it being both is honestly so interesting. I could imagine the mechanicus splintering more and choosing between the God Emperor or the Omnissiah.
As much as i loved the fresh lore with Godblight etc. i would love it if GW would just pick up the pace a bit... like the worst thing (besides the Miniature prices) is how fricking slow the story progresses, like we can all see that the current path is 90% the return of several primarchs, be it demon or loyalist but it always feels that the overall story moves forward only every 10 years or so. Its infuriating how long it takes sometimes, even the Horus Heresy took 16 years to reach Terra...
GW going for that historical accuracy to parallel 40k. We're looking at around 150-200 Years as far as story progression (and profit margins), so hope they come up with those rejuvenat treatments soon otherwise we might miss out on seeing Russ or the Khan coming back :P
It would be cool if they made a non canon series that advances the plot. But I don't think it's a good idea
The plot is so slow that we have a better chance experience the colonization of Mars in our lifetime than seeing the end of WH40K
@@vtr0104 get all the machines you can. In order to see the end of warhammer we must become proto Scitari
@@steffanyschwartz7801 :)))
Hmm a boxer ad during pride month?
A COINCIDENCE ?!
I THINK NOT !!!
I'm glad to hear that the Primaris project is now a work blessed by the Emperor. Hope to hear a story soon of the Custodes punishing the Templars for what they did.
Not the first time he's binned a load of loyal warriors, nor the last. The Primari shouldn't get too comfortable.
I always took it as Emps got to regenerate a bit because the warp rift is powering him up a bit, humanity's psychic power is increasing as a whole, and the astronomican got shut off for a bit letting him cool off and regenerate a little. Having him back in any capacity besides being in the background is insane though
I think my favorite part of Majorkill videos, other than the spicy takes on the lore, is that you actually show or talk about the cost of your sponsors.
I don't think I could've ever said I had a favorite youtuber till now
Big E started treating his creation as sons after he got to know them.
Much to Malcadors surprise... I don't think Big E would lie about his feelings for his sons to Malcador.
It even started Before he found any of them.
When a skeleton in a chair farts so hard he cures your poison specifically made to kill him
The God blight virus is so deadly that it can kill a Primarch? The Chaos gods have been doing their homework for 10,000 years.
Papa Nurgle did his best
@@discussedbalkanslav7828 Yeah, Mortarion wanted to kill Roboute Guilliman but the Emperor possessed Guilliman then banished Morty and burned Nurgle literally. I wonder did Angron fight Guilliman again?
Interesting video idea.
Happy Father's Day between the Man-Emperor of Mankind and the Primarch must have been very awkward
Man I love watching your videos because they give me a sense of what some of the characters think. Like sure, you meme your way through a lot of stuff, but I truly understand what you mean.
also you ended up getting me into reading the books. Just picked up one about Cawl about a week ago.
Im writing a Fan-Novel about a group of characters that me and my friend are making, and this video helps a lot, as well as your other Emperor videos, as my Character is essentially going to Rise up and become a Primarch through a bunch of Cawl like experiments, even though he will become Primearch it will not happen for a long time. Hell I even considered making a Trilogy, or a lasting series about him because I dont want to fuck it up. 40k has a way to build somethings up, or just jerk it off like Matt Ward did, and I dont want our Legion/Chapter of marines and Primarch to be to strong right away. I want to take it slow, add a shit ton of bloody fights, but build the story and characters in a dope way.
The current story I see the Emperor going through is one of a previously Jaded father too caught up in his work to notice or give attention to his sons. However after having some serious issues and nearly dying he finds his som still is there for him and he begrudgingly accepts his help, then when he returns home he finds his son has taken care off all of his work and is worn out but still trying his hardest, so he finds some love he didn’t know he had for him.
It’s actually really touching and if it wasn’t 40K it might’ve been one of those cheesy chick-flicks in a movie theater somewhere.
Emps when seeing Guilliman returns; *"Thank fucking god...me? Somebody sane around here!"*
Big blue.
Everyone comment your favorite name for him.
Robot killaman✌🇫🇮
Bigbooty gorillaman
Robot Girlyman
Rowboat Guerilla-man
Magnus is Big Red then?
Your advertising for manscaped always makes me chuckle, very well done. :)
Wow nice I never took the opening of the rift and the spilling of warp juice into the galaxy meant that the big E is also refreshed by it, I only thought that it will only make the influence of the warp gods ever more stronger on the material world
I don’t understand the dislike, like you said it’s clearly explained that the veil between the warp and real space was thinned and warp based powers were amplified during this time. That to me is a pretty definitive answer for the Emperor saving Roboute, he won’t be able to do it always because the warp barrier usually prevents him directly interfering in the physical world, But ya know, since he is without a doubt an extremely powerful warp god at this point makes it easy to believe.
I actually don’t like how they rewrote the emperor as an amoral and utilitarian despot. When everything sucks the grimness is diluted. The true grimdark scenario can only exist when there are actually wholesome and pure characters/intentions but they get twisted and destroyed. Having the emperor be an actual loving father that wanted to take humanity forwards as his chosen children but then becoming a comatose object that is adored as a cruel god that is used to justify the aberrant state of the imperium because his most beloved son was mislead by the evil of chaos is by far a better situation than just having an uncaring and cold monarch that simply sort of got btfo, his plans got ruined and is now just a less impressive but equally as uncaring god.
It seems now people think its darker to basically create a situation where good doesn’t exist in the first place, sort of like an “oh you thought this guy actually loved humanity and was relatable? Fuck you” to the fanbase, but that just makes the heresy less impactful.
I think there are good reasons for why he acts the way he does.
I agree. Turning the Emperor into really nothing more than an asshole really does seem like a "fuck you" to the fanbase.
"Evil despot suffers" is justice. "Good man suffers" is grimdark tragedy.
40k already make it seem there is no good man to begin with. Even if there was, you already know they're going to fail, so why bother root for them and all.
@@Tacoguy1000 Because that is the real base of tragedy.
And if you know everything is going to become corpsestarch then yes, why would I care and root for this universe at all ?
@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 I mean, I know the feeling, but at the same time, it is 40k, you kind of expect everything to already be at it's worst from the get go.
Ironically this was one of the few times the emperor was actually honest and open with one of his son's.
Maybe the weird stuff the emperor was saying is one of the souls seperating and speaking as an individual rather than the one person they are all supposed to be?
The Emperor has become the machine god now it's starting
The robots knew this would happend
The Emperor did the "Bad Product" line before Stan Edgar
"Dies but he survives " -KajorMill
For someone who is 30,000+ years plus, he never the time to read the "Daddy and me" books when he made the primarchs I guess.
Do any of y'all have the quote of him calling Guilliman his son again?
I think the emperor is just playing 5d chess. Making guilliman think he doesn't love him so guilliman goes "screw you dad, I'm gonna go fix EVERYTHING"
The doom and gloom and “its all pointless” nature of 40k is what kept me from getting too close. I actually started diving DEEPER into the novels when I read the Dawn of Fire novels that released
All the "things never advancing, never progressing, ever" of 40k is what prevents me from investing time and money in this IP. All the never ending grimderpness just doesn't appeal to me.
@@victuz Fair enough, but you can't really find this anywhere else though like this
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 It depends though, Berserk for example is something pretty much grimdark but still very interesting and relatable.
40k also has it's glorious moments like Guilliman being cured and waking up, and Indomitus Crusade for example, which keeps me very motivated to follow the lore.
Read Roboutian Heresy. Without spoilers, it's even darker, but there is hope. The fanfic is still being written, and it's quite interesting.
I want a John Wick moment with the Emperor. "People keep asking if I'm back" thing
I think he loves his sons. but being everywhere all at once is taxing on the brain even before he got put on the throne. I remember somewhere the emperor being described as being "distant" or distracted.
He is and has been under constant psychic assault from the warp from all 4 chaos gods and has a galaxy spanning imperium he's trying to hold together. Anybody would seem a little distracted
True. Added to this he was always a big picture kind of guy and I think sometimes that tendency would manifest in him being more distant and cold towards some of his sons. Instead of putting the big picture on the back burner and focusing on being more in the moment. Some may call Big E a badly written character for some things he's done but I believe he's simply just a complex character and not one dimensional
@@MrFredstt He exists on an entire other level than literally anybody else. Except for maybe Magnus.
@@Brynngar1983 Also true. I believe in the new books it's been stated that Guilliman remembers his convo with Big E differently each time and according to the Custodes he was in there for a few hours and seemed to be normal
"You are not a god, not a hero, you are simply a Bad Product"
- Big E to Horus
Guilliman’s godblight vision quest/mega trip handled this really well. Showing how the Emperor viewed the primarchs as tools, explaining how Guilliman felt about that, all whilst scaring the shit out of Morty.
Plague Wars books are pretty damn good
Dude you are funny as fuck I love the commercials that you do you do the best commercials, lmao
Day two of asking for bug fucker lore.
Who was that guy? Lost Primarch that was responsible for the Tyranids? (The Tyranids being literally Bug F--ers because of genestealer patriarchs?)
"BUT HE SURVIVES" ah, classic.
Sooo... What you're saying is that Big E was drunk when he was making saints... So we shall not expect them to be perfect... That sounds familiar...
Big E: Did you shutting down Gulliman life support, Kitten?
Possesses his son.
Benches Nurgle.
Refuses to eloborate.
Leaves to suffer in silence again.
Not my son, a tool, a product *maoihead
Fascinating. Maybe a "Daddy Issues of the Traitor Primarchs?" Some were legitimate, such as Angron's. Others weren't.
Lograr too, methinks
@@Overlord99762 and Magnus.
Yeah Magnus really got the short end of the proverbial stick. His downfall was an acute case of "Bad Timing"
Came for W40k lore, pissed myself with laughter at the pistol and cartwheel attempt. Brilliant, keep it coming 😅
I feel like Big E rezing G man and lighting Nurgles garden on fire was the 40k equivalent of, “Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho!” Emps is going on the offensive again!
Big E: you did what with an Eldar?????
Majorkill you should make a video on the what the roles of each primarch would be if they all stayed loyal I know other youtubers have made videos on this topic but your opinions could be wildeldly different from theirs I would love to see it
So the great rift and his son's determination übercharged emps to the point of actually helping him? That's crazy
The Big E, after Bobby G shows up: "Wait a sec. didn't I gave the order to unplug his stasis chamber?! Okaaaay, that's kinda awkward...."
I love the BME reference in the sponsorship part.
For me, a lot of this came from the descriptions of the interactions with the Emperor in 'The Master of Mankind' by ADB. I felt when reading it that the Emperor was coming across as cold and distant, referring to his sons by numbers instead of names, because he was talking to a representative of the Adeptus Mechanicus. And I've always felt the Emperor reflects what his audience expects, his psychic persona - that's certainly the feeling I got from it. But then other authors ran with this representation and it became normalised in other books. The next time I see ADB on a signing, I'm going to ask him if that was the intent...
With everything going on in the lore at the moment I sense a Horus Heresy rematch i the not so distant future.
Mark my words we will see more primarchs return soon.
The Lion will awaken, the Dawn will rise, The Salamander shall show his scales once more, the Wolf and the Revan shall return from the warp, the Khan will ride again and maybe.. Just maybe.. The Angel shall fly once again.
all new major kill videos start at 2:00
Big E claiming his father of the year prize once more.
2 uploads in 24 hours? I made a mess... 😳
I like to think that Morty was super pompous about thinking he won the battle, only for him hear "BOOOOOOOYY!" across the battlefield. It came from guilliman's direction, but it wasn't his voice,
It was the emperor's. Suddenly guilliman gets back up in a psychic ray of light killing every daemon it touches and roundhouse kicks mortarion into the warp. I'm pretty sure Morty had it coming out both ways that day
This makes the scene in godblight make so much more sense, thanks
Wow.. The Big-E saying that he is going to kill Nurgle into his face. Those words carry a lot. Not sure if he can do it.. yet.
He probably can. Within the warp beings that are direct opposites of eachother or represent opposing concepts can harm eachother even if they aren't the same level of strength. It's why the chaos gods feared the emperor and why the emperor and custodes could do nothing to drach'nyen. They're hard counters for eachother
@@brendanmuller7301 Wow. The thought of Emps getting a gas can, and lighting Nurgle aflame. 30k and 40k Emps differ so much.
@@Kareszkoma Some don't even think they're the same being.
@@brendanmuller7301 No. No I don't think so. Tricking choas was big enough. Setting one of their god aflame with his mind, is something else. In a sense he still is, but not so much.
Yooooo good vid
The Emperor returns! There is Hope as always and forever!
woah