Block Sanding Primer - Essential Steps to a Mirror Finish
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- Body Filler done, what's next? Block sanding your primer to a mirror finish has its challenges. In this video we are going to walk you through the methods and tricks we use at Sylvester's Customs to achive that show car mirror finish. We will cover primers, sand papers, blocking with acrylic blocks and all the stuff in-between. Don't miss a second because Travis will be talking about it all.
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Video Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:45 Primer
3:36 Guide Coat (two types)
5:31 Sand Papers
8:21 Block Sanding Primer
14:17 Issues after Block sanding
16:15 How to fix Metal or Body Filler Showing
17:31 Closing - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Ive watched a lot of videos from a lot of channels regarding bodywork. Sylvesters customs is by far the best ive seen. Good job, thanks a bunch.
Thank you very much!!
I have used all your finishing techniques, hand blocked my car 7 times, sprayed sealer , base and clear, hand cut the clear with the block using 1000, 1500, 2000 and then 3000. Machine polish 2 times with compound and the 2 times with swirl remover and machine polish, your lessons are right on, my car is razor straight, the finish is a super high gloss and totally flat, the car came out absolutely gorgeous, I have won two car shows, it is a ton of work but now it was totally worth it, all done in my home garage, you rock, can't thank you enough for the lessons, this bitch is razor straight and awesome.
So glad to hear that!!! Would love to see it! If you are on instagram send pics!
Almost 40 years in the trade and I can tell you ! This is absolutely sound advice .
Thank you very much!
Straight to the point, serious and humble, that’s it!
Thank you
Only one way the right way 💯
Dude, I've been at this work for 25 years+ and always learning with each job. The way you calmly talk through steps and product without yelling and screaming and getting excited and ahead of yourself like other video tutorials on TH-cam,is a breath of fresh air. Fully 100% would trust you and your team to work on my own personal vehicle for a build. Awesome teaching. Much respect all the way from little old New Zealand 🤘🤘🤘👍👍👍
Thank you very much I appreciate it
I never feel like saying this or this way but damnit Sylvester, you left me wanting more!!! It is like we went to commercial and the clock ran out. Listen to me, I am not the type to watch epoxy dry nor get into a hurry, it’s just I was so caught up in the product, the tools, the method, it even crossed my mind to count the number of strokes on the block to be consistent and, and it stopped? 😢 That was a fast 17 minutes, I felt, well just keep going! I can’t believe I feel that. More. 😂
Lol thank you!! There will be more coming soon but new video every Friday we’re very happy that you love the videos.
I’ve never had my paper clog with guide coat spray can. I use a flat lacquer. I let it dry then take the majority off with a da using 180. In my opinion it’s okay to use a flat disk da to take off the top layer as you still are left with plenty of visual guide coat to sand flat. It’s faster this way as well and instead of laboring for hours to get the process started. It basically jumps the routine into hyper drive and the job is done much quicker with same results. IMO. But yes these so called steps can be different for different people and shops. Nothing is concrete. It’s what works best for you. I think you talk about sanding epoxy primer? I’ve never done that. When applying epoxy it’s usually sprayed on to protect the metal even before body work is being done. If you work the surface down to metal more epoxy is needed. Then comes several coats of surface primer on top. Perhaps all these years I’ve been doing it wrong. Perhaps the workers who use this method are all wrong and you are the only one doing it the right way. Sanding down epoxy. Which is rough and very difficult to sand.
It seems we differ in many aspects of body finishing. I guess there are always those who learn it a different way.
As long as the body is like glass in the end I don’t care who’s method you use.
Good job on getting these cars smoother than they ever were from the factory.
@@MrCbell57 Just remember Rick, there are different ways of doing everything. Some epoxy have a short or long open time. I read to make it right. Having VP2050 DTM epoxy based primer sealer is outside my allowance, but using a short stroke DA W/Interface pad keep lines sharp while braking the hard top layer. I will wipe down and spray my epoxy over bare metal break thru spots. I prefer the sealing part of a hard waterproof substrate before addressing scratches to pin holes. At least you are using your noodle and creating at 30-40+ year paint finish and for the, I salute you for caring! DK, Omaha.
Another badass video. Seriously appreciate the no ego, no secrets kept, direct approach to showing how you get these finishes to come together.
Hope we are helping you out with those projects. Looking forward to seeing how they come out. Thanks for watching our stuff!!
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So much good advice, especially for us newbies. I tell myself I'll never paint another car because of the intense labor and patience needed , then I see the oem paint jobs and cost of a good decent paint job and say " here we go again". Keep up the great videos.
Haha no joke it’s not cheap these days
I have learned soemthing from EVERY video I have watched....excellent work, thanks!
Great to hear!
I appreciate the simplicity and 'oversharing' of these videos. Especially providing the products you use, as there are an insane number of options for novices to weed through.
Thanks for watching 👊🏻
No doubt. Killer page!!!
I appreciate you explaining stuff like you do and sharing tips and tricks that you by no means have to....unlike some of these fucking nimrods in the comments. I do appreciate guys that say they have done it for years and still learn new stuff....that is someone truly taking pride in their craft. I learned a long time ago that you never stop learning....people don't always realize what a blessing it is to get this kind of info that took someone years to perfect ...and its free without months of schooling. Thanks for what you do.
Awesome, thank you so much.
Learn something new everyday, this industry has changed techniques and products over they years sometimes hard to keep up but information offered in videos like this are great free educational tools. Thanks
Finally a guy who knows his game. I am a painter over 30+ years...and can relate to this video.
Thank you very much 🙌🏻👊🏻
So UPDATE!!! I just got my starter kit of Linear Blocking tools in today. GAME CHANGER for me! I am rebuilding a McLaren 570s that had every body panel damaged. The roof has been a real challenge to get right. It was close, but not perfect. It will be perfect now! Thank you!
So very glad to hear!
Enjoyed the video...well done. You have great teaching skills
Thank you, I hope you come back for more videos.
My first teacher in metal work always told me, that to feel dents I had to use bare hand. And called other who use gloves stupid. I did'nt changed my opinion about this for few years, even when worked in auto repair center. Used to meet that man, and tell him that people in there use gloves. And we laughed at them together. I did'nt even try to use glove. Just few years ago it was a discovery for me.
Yeah it’s the older way to go about it. However if they are going off of their hand vs blocking with guide coat I 💯 guarantee their cars aren’t as straight
You really are a great teacher and humble about it. I have always paid places to paint my restorations but I'm getting to where I want to do this on my own. Thank you for the great videos.
Thank you, I hope we can keep getting you videos that help you along that journey .
Me too , too many bad experiences with over promise and under deliver.
hey brother I'm digging the videos, iv owned my own shop for almost 10 years and it is nice seeing things done the way they are supposed to. watching your videos is like taking a refresher course and getting rid of all the bad habits iv accumulated threw out my time in the industry. I just had to close my shop and move it to my home base I was really disappointed for a bit, but without the overhead iv been able to concentrate on quality and these videos are a reminder that people still do and appreciate it. Good job brother and thank you
That’s awesome very glad to hear! Thx for watching!!
Glad to hear just trying to shed some light on the folks who think the work we do is easy. Quality is key keep up the good work! Thx for watching 👍🏻
Watching these videos is soothing.
Glad you enjoy them. Many more soothing videos in the works. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for doing these videos. Learning a lot of " little" tricks and tips, which can add up to big things!
You got it, they certainly do. Hope you keep watching. There’s a lot more to share.
Dude this was an awesome and very descriptive video ! Most of my questions were answered ! So glad to see someone who explains all the small details. Keep the vids coming brother !
Thank you!
Excellent attention to detail on explanations - thanks for taking the time to explain the strategy with process, tools, and materials !
You got it, we hope the future videos can help you as well.
These videos of yours are some of the most informative out there. Very thorough, Very well done easy to understand.
Thank you very much
This is awesome what a totally different way of thinking outside the box.. Can`t wait for the next episode.
Thank you very much glad you enjoyed it
I don't mind sharing info with people that come in with questions, but I try really hard to stress that I'm putting in 10 hours a day on a car. My, experienced 10 hours might equate to 20 of theirs. So, if they are planning nights and weekends, they should definitely keep that in mind because I have had countless people come in after getting discouraged, half way through their projects and now it's going to cost them anymore to have me go in and fix/finish it!
Love the videos... This is my new first stop to check for new videos... I think you are just in the beginning to something much bigger... Your method and presentation is great for the DIY people.. .Thanks...
Thanks for the amazing compliment. We plan on bringing you a lot more.
I have to agree with all the body guys, even though I've been doing this semi professionally for some years now I really do enjoy watching someone with your degree of skill and teaching ability in action..Thanks for sharing!
You got it, more to come. Thanks for watching.
Thanks SYLVESTER great suggestions 👍 appreciate your time sharing it.
My pleasure
Great info & well presented as always. Thanks for sharing your expertise & experience with us.
Rick
You are Welcome, more to come stay tuned.
Just found your videos and I am addicted. Can't wait for the next video.
Thank you so much. We will be putting some together very soon
Thanks for the video. You explain everything really good and thorough. On this video along , you answered a lot of questions for me.
Thank you for watching!
Best explanation I've ever watched good job making sense
Thank you!
I really appreciate you sharing your craft. There's a lot of channels that do a good job at showing how it's done and you can even tell they care, but you are a cut above the rest. After watching your videos i actually feel confident in starting to practice and get ready to give it a go.
I appreciate that! Thank you so much
Awesome walk through! Thank you
You got it, thanks for watching.
Thanks for your details and simplicity. Subscribed!
Thank you!!!
Great presentation. For someone who attempted to paint a panel on his own (and made a ton of best-effort mistakes), this information will make the next attempt turn out so much better.
Awesome, glad we could help you out.
you are a great teacher thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thank you for watching.
Hey, just wanted to say thank you for your videos. I recently discovered your channel and I sooo appreciate how you get to the point, keep giving good information every minute and no fluff. Super informative. I just ordered a Linear blocking tool set and used the discount code. Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much!!
Just from the first couple seconds of the video your presentation is sub worthy… 👍
Thank you
Great stuff. 👍
This is a fantastic video I really appreciate you taking the time to give us these tips. Great content!
Thank you very much
Helpful! I've been using the linear blocks now for awhile and looking forward to getting onto some larger landscapes like hoods and roof with them!
That is where they really shine!
So much sanding.... Thankyou man. This channel is definitely more detailed than others I have found!
Glad you think so! Thank you
Appreciate the awesome tips and tricks, this will help out a lot. Thanks
You are welcome more to come.
Good video! Got a lot of respect for you guys that chase ultra show quality.
Thank you very much we’re still learning too 👍🏻
@@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS ain't we all lol.
Awesome video !! Love all of your information and tools and how to get stuff done . Also your time to show us how to just keep getting better and better. You are the MAN!!!😁
My pleasure! Thx for watching
Thanks for taking the time to make this video it helped alot .
Glad it helped
WOW, so much great info. Thanks
Thank you for watching
Thanks for the excellent video.. well done.
Thank you
Excellent video! Super helpful
Thank you!
Cool video brotha. Thanks for sharing knowledge 👍🏼
Thx for watching
Man I've watched this twice etc in my brain, and saved to revisit keep up the awesome vid learni g a lot!!!!
If you didn’t notice this video has chapters in the description. Click on the time next to the chapter you want and you will go right to it. Thanks for watching glad it’s helping out.
This is another great video …. Thank you 👍
Thank you
Extremely great video you guys are great.
Thank you!
pleasure to watch your videos its very educative
Thank you!
Nice job wearing a mask while you are sanding! Trust the guide coat. It hasn’t lied to me yet!
Thanks so much for this video and for starting your channel. 4-5 years ago I was trying to get show car mirror finishes on test panels and just couldn't. I'd get rid of orange peel, but still see minor waves as I'd look up/down the panel. After months of research, no use. Nobody seemed to have an answer as to why it wouldn't end up laser straight. So I eventually gave up and took a break. Having returned to find this video and your channel, i've now regained the motivation to try again!
That’s awesome glad to hear they are helping you
Great info!!
Glad you think so! Thank you
Great explanation!!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you sir
Great video great tips as well
Thank you!!
PPG have providing automotive paints and primers for the auto industry for 80yrs. Can't go wrong with that. I've binged on several vids. I'm hooked, hope to see some body restoration, qtr skins, rust repairs / I get it not much in Cali cars.
Thank you very much as a matter fact the 61 impala we will be doing quite a bit of metal work including rust repair quarter panel replacement custom-made firewall and floors the plan is to build a full custom car and show how to do the entire process for people at home 👍🏻 thanks for watching
excellent videos ! I am writing all this down , so I have the notes to refer to come purchase time !
sent your video's to a guy in Canada doing a 55 nomad , to help this " NOVICE " do a better job , he could care less , he my's well be painting a " trash can " he can't even take the old paint off , just wants to be done with it !! ( AND IT WILL LOOK LIKE A TRASH CAN WHEN HE'S DONE ) !!! keep up the great videos & taking the time to share your valuable knowledge with us !!
Thanks for watching! I hope we can help that 55 Nomad out.
Excellent vid. Great car.
Thank you
Great video man!
Thank you!!
we never had nice blocks in the 70s but somehow i got them straight when i turned 48 one finger on each hand folded inwards to palm from years of solvent doctorsaid and then i had to learn how to use my my inward part of thumb to feel lows 32 years in on floor battles now under my belt.so many showcars now im 60 and doing plastic cars and pdr now im 60 and still fulltime.your eyes and your feeling of even a thumb and knowing is a big part to of making things flat and straight.and sometimes you can just look at a finished classic and say that bodyline looks to rounded it more than likely got buried in mud and 10 paintjobs over time
great content very informative
Thank you
Thanks!
Thank you!!
Been learning a lot from your channel brother.
This video here opened my eyes big time.
I wanna take a class of yours on blocking for sure.
Thank you. We have one October 28 and 29th. If that works out for your schedule feel free to email me and I can send you the details or message me on Instagram either one. Sylvesterscustoms@yahoo.com
@@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS thanks for the info, I'm gonna arrange to be there. Thanks again brother.
awesome vid ...thanks man
Thank you!
thank you very much for sharing this. We really owe you one!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS we have been venturing into the paint world lately and went in blind with our first project (will be on our channel soon) with this second one however we will be following a lot of what you have in your channel! I'm sure our finished product is going to be much better this time around with your help 👍
@@superbimmerbros That’s awesome very glad to hear we have a lot more tutorials coming soon thanks for watching
Very good video amigo
Thank you!
Thank you
You're welcome
Nice video 👍
Thank you, lots more to come.
Fantastic job man! Really miss my booth now. Thanks a lot. 😖
Thank you, we are just trying to keep those memories alive for you.
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Subscribed a month ago really great channel you have.Thanks for the advice will try it when I am doing my old Holden. That long sanding block would great to have to. 👍👍
Appreciate that Craig, we will be getting some more content out for you soon. We really love those blocks.
@@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS That sounds great looking forward to it. 👍
feeling and visual are 2 different aspects the first can lie to you like you would not believe, believe your eyes(guide coat) before your hands.
on your primer you can get it in industrial form ppg cre same stuff without fancy labels at way lower cost . we love it
Yep we have used it when you couldn’t get vp2050 nearly the same product. 🤘🏻👌🏻👊🏻👍🏻
Thanks for another helpful video. I'd be curious to know your process for the doors. For example, do you do initial filler and sanding work for the door on a panel stand and then reinstall on the car. Then skim the door and fenders/quarters together and sand to get it all lined up? I echo the comment below about wanting to understand the filler in the gaps. I'd be really interested to see how you refine your gaps as well.
Thank you for the question. We will post a short video explaining why we do it and the process. Keep an eye out next week for it.
them are cool blocks i bought the foam ones with the 3 rods that you pushed through and you could pull out to adjust.well he dyed a few years ago and his wife no longer wanted the buisness so that company is no more i think i bought them back in 2012 i still have them and they work good to foam handles are wearing away though bondo dust eats them up if you dont keep them blown clean
SHOWTIME!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for watching!!
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and expertise. It's much appreciated! I noticed that on the spec sheet for VP2050 that there are 3 different reducers and 3 different thinners specified for the product. Do you always use one of the reducers or thinners? If so, can you please expand on what you do?
We will touch base on that in a future video for you. We use D8767 reducer
Lol I feel u on sanding bro.im a chef but also do panelbeating. Good tips.keep ul the good work
Will do, thanks for watching.
Only a pleasure.me and my triplet brother don't own a workshop buy we get the job done.we busy building ourselves up.we busy with a mini cooper.built a wide arch bodykit for it and it's getting a k24 powerplant...we taking the flat process up to 1500 before paint
@@craigsolomon8292 be careful going up that high in grits paint will not adhere. I don’t paint anything above 800 most days 600 is best you need a tooth for it to adhere 👍🏻
That primer is hard as a freaking rock!...we demoed it at our shop and I hated trying to block it because it's so hard to cut.
Yes but only when you are getting through the top shiny part. Then it sands killer. That is also why I start with 120 and work up from there. Once you get used to getting your body work perfect and using this product you’re not having to re-prime the car or do a bunch of extra work.
I appreciate the detailed explanation. I'm going to watch this and the other videos again and take notes! Thank you for the videos.
Also after you finish with the 220 grit should you prime the vehicle again? Or wait for the next video? 😀
We will be doing the next step video soonish but if it all cleans up and you don’t have any burn throughs showing you can start wet sanding with 500-600 then you are ready for sealer and paint.
I’ve actually seen the difference in using hook and loop verses a stick on paper. We use hook because it’s less fuss. Yet for straighter bodywork you need the sticking sand papers used in flat blocks for best finish. Crazy I’d have never believed it actually was true but I’ve seen it with my own eyes many times. For a daily driver it’s not a big deal but a show car it definitely is a big deal. Thanks.
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Great info and Great Video. Thank you for sharing your years of experience, it really is priceless information. I do have a question, why didn't you block all the way to the bottom (over the rocker) Just easier to do separately? Or since it will be so close to the ground you don't have to worry about it as much as the rest of the panel? Thanks I feel like blocking the center of the panel to the edges I could do pretty effectively but doing all the edges, fender flares, body lines etc would be very troublesome for myself. Thanks
In this video keep in mind I only sanded for 2 minutes just to show on here I will spend all day blocking this side making sure to move around evenly. The rocker should be done as nice as the rest just get a good chair and take your time
What make dry sticky paper do you prefer Travis? I've been using dura gold and find the adhesive is a royal pain to clean up on the linear blocks. Just shot my hood after following your procedures using the linear blocks. Except for a few dust flecks my fault. Wow!! The quality of depth and flatness is amazing. It looks like the paint is poured on. Absolutely dead flat with no ripples form the overhead light reflection. Very happy. Also I left the VP 2050 for at least 8 weeks before blocking. I've heard some complain that its tough to sand. Sure its a little tough to break through at first, but in a way I like that, its more forgiving that way. If its too easy to sand its easy to blow through. Once again you and the guy that sells the blocks have helped me immensely. Cheers John..
Very glad to hear. My favorite paper at the moment is sunmight
Very good video have learnt some especially about the paint curing and guide coat,one negative on why is here no dust extraction?
Dust extraction systems are not designed in a way to get your car straight.
i made that mistake years ago i didnt let primer dry enough on a 70ss chevelle quarter at lead seam and in hot sun it would swell and then when it cooled down it looked ok but not like it shoulda been
finally real show quality tips. Just in time for my resto project.. well almost. so far I've used ppg shopline epoxy, then filler, sealed over filler with epoxy, now featherfill (gallon on site) next time I'll use your suggestion for primer. after featherfill, 2K sealer primer?
I don’t use any feather fill I only use vp2050 but yes you could do it that way 👍🏻
I'm 65 years old I built so many cards I lost count in the 80s it costs so much to build a car now that's going to sit in your garage most of it's life I still use single stage paint on my cars might not be perfect but I drive mine everyday
I saw a car that was done by Foose on their tv show. It was shrunk all over. I let my car’s sit in primer for a few weeks In direct sun if possible. Love the video.
Thank you yeah, the problem is people see Paint and they get anxious to get the car even letting the clearcoat sit for many months before cut and polish is ideal
Good video, about the best explanation of trusting guide coat. If I may make a suggestion, buy and use a good quality pair of knee pads, in 20-30 years you'll thank me. Thanks for the discount code, I'm retired and disabled and starting on my 64 Galaxie it'll come in handy
Yeah we have some most of the time I’m sitting in a chair LOL rolling back-and-forth on that that is adjustable up and down I just got down on my knees because we were filming a quick video thanks for watching there’s a lot more to come
Such great info. Love the level and amount of sharing, especially with paint n body being my absolute weakness in restos. I'm going to be shamelessly copying every nugget I can! I'll be starting to strip down the body of the 69 Dart next month. It's got a ton of relatively flat surfaces so that'll help, but I'm quite concerned about getting all the body lines to get and stay crisp through the process. Hopefully you have a car and video that will address the blocking process when you have bodylines to maintain. It might be common sense, but I definitely would love to see and absorb YOUR technique!!
Thank you! Not only do we have videos on bodywork we also have a video on doing the body line last. 👍🏻
@@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS Apologizes! Since discovering your channel I havent been able to binge and watch them all...YET!!👍
@@wheels-n-tires1846 right on I know the feeling 👍🏻
I like using House of Kolor KDA3000 DTS epoxy hybrid sandable high build primer. Can also be mixed as a medium build or sealer. I also like Specialist Paints 2K DTM it is exactly the same way. I dont get shrink with either one
Whatever works. However they all have shrinkage it’s a matter of how much they get. Only way to know is to weigh it on separate panels as it dries to see when they stop losing weight.
This works for primer and sealer all in one
Yep one stop shop makes it so nice
Great video. It all makes perfect sense. Is spot putty a no no because it will eventually shrink differently than the primer?
We use glazing putty just make sure it’s not a 1K product only 2k with a hardener
Thank you very much for all the time you put into these videos!
Quick question.. if you blow through the primer and have to spot prime that section how do you avoid going through again if technically the blow through is a high spot and doesn't require any more build .. but everywhere around it is low
Thank you for your time
You need to have the metal work completed and the bodywork needs to be perfect before you do any primering. If you are having areas that goes through multiple time then the body work is not right spend more time in the beginning would be my recommendation. I hope that helps
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Ok thanks
Awesome work. Love your videos man, very helpful and informative. If this is an epoxy product, is it necessary to use a sealer before basecoat is applied? Thanks.
It is an epoxy high build. So if your substrate is all covered meaning no break throughs and sanded good you can go directly to paint. But if you use a sealer it will cross link and adhere better yet. So it’s not a must but Is recommended.
@@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS thank you! Makes sense.