Greetings All! Following many posts below, just a word on the operation of the Pi 5 power button. When power is first connected to the Pi 5 (ie the adapter is plugged in to the wall socket and/or switched on there), the Pi 5 immediately boots -- which is what happens in the first boot shown in the video. But if the Pi is then shut down but power is not removed, the power button can be pressed to boot it up again (which is what happens in the second two boots shown in the video). So those worrying that human intervention is neccessary on every boot, or after a power outage, need not fear. :)
@@ExplainingComputers I would hope that with the support of the company and users, that PCIe stuff will be better supported compared to other SBC's with PCIe/M.2 slots.
Here I am drinking my morning coffee and out of nowhere an EC video about RPi5 drops on my lap. Top notch production value as always, thanks Christopher!
Exactly. I have been search and there was not even a possible release date and the man just have it already? Next episode: explaining time travel machines.
Well he is the SBC youtube guy....Clearly Pi foundation wants to gauge demand, hence pre orders and getting info out there...so they can crank up suppliers if needed.
@@Henchman1977 Yes, many channels are releasing videos on this today, all at once. Almost as if it were a coordinated advertisement campaign by Raspberry Pi. Which is all right as long as they're transparent about it. Still it's good to remember they're doing it with a commercial purpose, that is, to create some hype for their new product.
This guy has perfectly captured the look and feel of late 70s early 80s bbc-open university-schools TV. Every episode takes me back to sitting in class and the tv and vcr being wheeled in for subjects the teacher didn’t have a hope of understanding.
Always loving EC's style of video: no BS, clear, nicely paced, and usually if not always tells all of what I would've wanted to ask about particular thing. Thank you for the great videos, as always. I'm always praying for you to be always healthy, happy, and be able to keep doing what you enjoy doing.
This is probably going to go down as the single most welcome bonus video of all time. Timed very nicely to coincide with the opening of Rpi5 pre-orders. Excellent video as always, Chris. You're truly a legend!
good timing? you know when companies send out demo products theres an NDA until xyz date dont you? thats why every channel have an exclusive on the same day......
What people like most about you is that you deliver a full review with such an honest way, straight to the point, straight to the hearts of your audience. Thank you
@@amiga68k75 can't think of anything considerable as a downside without being unfair
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@@amiga68k75 you lose some backward compatibility HW-wise (eg. case), no 3.5mm jack, H.264 hardware decoder was left out this time, still no VP9 hardware decode acceleration. (personally I think it's also sad that there's still no official Android or Windows on ARM images, despite it being the defacto ARM SBC on the market, but this might be very well on Google/Microsoft, not just the Pi Foundation). These are my complaints which are actually not so bad, otherwise it's a decent successor with near equal price. I think it's very good overall, the desktop performance is pretty impressive.
This announcement was kept under wraps better than most government Top Secret projects! I woke up today and had my inbox filled with Raspberry Pi 5 news. Just preordered mine with cooling. Appreciate the preview Chris! This upgrade is surely worth the price. Can't wait to get mine. Stay well. Rich
I have got one like 1,5 weeks ago. Finally my pre-order came in. Get the 8GB version while you can. Seems that the 5 is already sold out in my country for the rest of this year.
I’m happy to support you by joining your channel. Not because of the perks resulting of this but for the significance of your work. Thanks for maintaining a channel which continues to enrich the community.
The quality of Explaining Computer videos have long been and continue to be of first rate quality. Also super excited about the Raspberry Pi 5. The Pi 4 was a usable desktop replacement, but the Pi 5 looks like it can run most everything smoothly. Life just got a little better! 😊🎉
I really enjoy your videos. Your way of delivering details and specifications and not using background music or other annoying things that take the focus from the demonstration makes it all a treat to watch.
Yeah, I also noticed the no annoying music in the background. I wish TH-cam would have a feature for creators to have the background track as a separate track from the rest of the audio, so we could turn it off. I have no idea why every creator seem to have loud music over what ever they are doing for no good reason.
I am sold. I am definitely going to get one for myself and learn how to use it. I passed up Pi for a long time, not really knowing any better. Egg on my face. Lol. Can't wait for it to come out. Thank you for a very informative video.
Fantastic upgrade over the 4. Can’t wait until they are in stock. One again you provided a detailed product review without the hype. Stay safe Christopher.
Yay an extra video from the best TH-camr on TH-cam. The new pi seems promising although the lack of a audio jack sure sucks for some use cases. Hopefully they keep support for the Ethernet without a dongle.
Yup, I'll be sticking to the Pi4 for my desktop since I do use the audio out (even right now!). I definitely have other uses for the Pi5 performance that don't need it, though!
This was quite a crazy and sudden release. I am glad one of my favorite channels got the opportunity to receive this highly anticipated SBC.
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Very impressive, I'd say this is the degree of power required to make the RPI the device that can be both the allround computer, and the creator/learner device. They provide practically everything I was hoping for, and if they really keep that price it's most impressive! (and I was only expecting a RPI5 in 2024 - this timing makes it a brilliant christmas present!)
Gteat job Chris!!! Can't wait to get one!!! Will get it as soon as one comes out!!! Very informative video! I really enjoyed all the comparisons!!! Keep up the great work and again, thank you for all that you do!!!
I've been watching your videos for years now, and I want you to know how much I appreciate you for making them. You always give us great information that is always straight to the point. Thank you, sir.
This is painfully exciting! I adore this channel and I'm so thankful! It takes me back to the early 90s Manchester watching VHS education programs in school when the teacher needed a break 😂 but only a lot more interesting.
Seeing TH-cam load and play fluidly at 1080p on an SBC at this price is genuinely impressive, not to mention the responsiveness of the desktop in general. Unfortunate that they're sticking with micro hdmi, as I really don't trust it, however in every other aspect this seems to be a welcome upgrade
my i3 7020u laptop can barely play youtube videos on chrome and it's so laggy when entering the full screen mode. How this little piece can play youtube that smooth?
Yes. Small and fiddly. My pi4 was shipped with a defective cable. It broke the first socket on insertion. I was so excited I tried the second socket. In 10 seconds I had to figure out if I wanted a headless pi4. Decided to use as a media nas. It's fine, but not what I planned. Can't help feeling I full size HDMI would be more robust. And I would prefer one HDMI one display port to 2 HDMI
I did not expect to catch a release from one of your videos! Very surprising. I wish the PCI was 3.0 or more than one lane, but everything else looks fantastic. This is true desktop territory.
@@Winnetou17 That changes things quite a lot. Considering the ridiculous PCIe extension cables out there, I’d be quite comfortable running this at uncertified speeds. Can’t say I have much to complain about now.
An excellent initial review of this SBC. I am annoyed that the audio jack was removed, I’m sure the designers could have found room for it somewhere on the board.
@@pikachuchujelly7628 I think its because of the following: You are generally using the Pi with HDMI (which of course is audio as well as video) OR you are using your pi as some sort of server or control device, hence headless .... and you are SSH(ing) or VNC(ing) into to it.
This is very exciting, lots of good improvements but also some questionable choices too, probably the one that hurts the most is the removal of the audio jack, which wasn't just for audio but for analog video/composite/RCA too which will hurt retro gaming enthusiasts the most, also the CPU upgrade while very welcomed I felt is not a huge leap by any stretch and I'd like to see something a little bit more powerful, at least 2x RPi4's or a 8 core chip. Either way for desktop computing it looks great, can't wait for a Raspberry Pi 500 to give it to my mother to replace her aging desktop PC. Also Chris I would love to see some comparisons down the line with other mini PCs and current Pi clones!!
Removing that audio jack must have taken some courage. ∗cough∗ While I’m typing this on a lovely new machine in a full-size desktop case that I got a few months ago, I found out its onboard analog audio interfaces would not support my 5.1 surround-sound speakers. It could have been done via the optical interface, I suppose. But I found the easiest solution was to get a separate external USB audio box that does 7.1 out. I’m sure that same box will work fine on the Pi 5. In fact, I think it’s bigger than the Pi 5.
Personally the design decisions make a lot of sense to me. A faster chip would likely have dramatically increased the price point of the RPi 5 and the power consumption which would be a step away from their philosophy. Performance comes with a cost and it is exponential.
Really impressed by this; looks like it's actually a viable decktop replacement! Would love to see an all-in-one keyboard computer version - a Pi 500! Look forward to seeing how an nvme drive does, and if you can boot from it!
Thanks for bringing us the latest news with a proper in depth review. Well done to Raspberry Pi for making it available to a content creator that we all know and trust. Let's hope there are plans for the Pi5 to be installed in a keyboard since this looks to be a serious alternative to a desktop computer for many users. Thanks again Christopher.
Excellent video, as always. For me the RPi ship has pretty much sailed. During the supply chain crunch, I stopped buying Pi's and retasked old PC's from my junk pile. Then bought some new x86 mini PC's with 4 cores and 7 watts power draw. Unless I need the discrete I/O pins or super small size, I see little reason to use a Pi now. But please keep reviewing the Pi ecosystem, because you do it so well, and we need to always keep up with things!
Yeah the mini PCs with Alder Lake-N are fantastic for many of the things a Pi is good for, and the price is pretty comparable once you factor in accessories. Media server, pihole, HTPC, kids' cheap computer for learning Python/messing with Linux, etc. And while those don't expose GPIO pins, the Raspberry Pi Pico (or other cheap MicroPython-capable MCU boards) are a great way to learn about circuit design and hardware control. Many Raspberry Pi projects would work just as well on a Pico. There's definitely still plenty of use cases where a Pi 5 makes the most sense, of course.
Lack of GPIO is more or less overcome by the abundance of cheap microcontrollers with loads of GPIOs. And then you get addicted to measuring and monitoring everything 😂
@@wereoctopus I can't find any mini PC which isn't at least five times the price of a Pi 5.. unfortunately. Or let's say four times, after adding (non-SD) storage, power supply, box. I've seen many interesting presentations (on this channel and elsewhere) of mini PCs, it's just that they're all very expensive as far as I can tell.
@@tohaason I don't know what prices are like where you live, but I'll take your word for it. Here in Australia a 4GB Pi 5 is $103 AUD, though currently out of stock. Right now, I can buy a Beelink Mini S12 Pro for $299 AUD. That has an Intel N100 (four 12th-gen E-cores), and includes 16GB of RAM and a 500GB SSD. Other mini-pc brands are ~$250 with similar specs, or ~$200 for less RAM and SSD space. I have no idea if Beelink just has a bigger profit margin, or if the difference is down to better-quality components, tech support/documentation etc. I just have one mini-PC, so can't run any comparative benchmarks :-) Older mini-PCs (e.g. with 11th-gen Intel "Atom" cores, the forerunner of their E-core architecture) are also about $200, maybe less. Again, relative pricing might be different where you are. And earlier Pi models are cheaper and in stock. I'm a big fan of the Pi 3A+, which is $40 here.
955K subscribers - This channel deserves 1Mio ! Give the man what he deserves ! We need at least another 50k subscribers here - His videos are always on point - best information about SBC Computers you can find ! Great Job as always
This is the first Raspberry Pi since the original that I haven't bought at launch. Factor in the heatsink and power supply (let alone the new peripherals) and you're pushing £100 which is a far cry from the original aim of cheap computing. I'm sure it's a fantastic piece of hardware supported by equally fantastic software, but it's too rich for my taste.
I would suggest probably near £80 if the $80 launch price for the 8 GB Pi 5 alone equates to around £60. On a good day, you might get a used 3rd or 4th generation Core i5 SFF PC with 8GB RAM slightly cheaper but I think the Raspberry Pi price is competitive on that basis. Ultimately, you could buy much cheaper and lower-powered SBCs that may do what you need but you then have to do more work yourself - "swings and roundabouts" as they say.
Seems fair to me. Just a desktop cpu or a nuc/sff or whatever is easily 100$ If your just email checking or hobby projecting or even doing something more serious, 100 currencies is a very low cost of entry. I hope it drives used prices of older pi models down and brings more to the market.
@@FacialVomitTurtleFights I see you're a strong believer in trickle-down economics, and all the bottom-squeeze that's going down. The Pi4 1GB was 35$ and the 4GB was 55$, in 2019. Yet here you are 4 years later trying to gaslight everyone into thinking 100 bucks is "just fine"... Of course, you would never *only* spend 100$ on it, because you will need to cool it and accessorize it massively. Probably increasing the cost into the 200s, easily. Still think you're just an AI, honestly...
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Sadly US dollar prices often translate directly to the price in UK pounds - currently the $80 variant is pre-ordering for £79. I'll wait too I think, see what happens to Pi4 prices (though the 5's a fine upgrade and i'll likely get one eventually, especially if the GPU is a decent performer).
It took me by surprise, I didn't expect the new model this fast, I really like it, I thought the processor speed wouldn't be that high, I was expecting something around 2 but never thought it was going to be 2.4 which is excellent, I would have liked standard HDMI ports though. I would have never imagined a Pi with an active heat sink, or on/off switch. I can't wait to see how well it performs on Retro gaming since some systems were not playable with the RP4, Good news, Cheers
It'll be interesting to see what kind of cases will be available for it. The active cooling part is no longer optional, i guess, unless you want to disable 3 of 4 cores?
EC is the kind of channel you can sip a nice cup of coffee or hot cocoa and watch and be content as a fellow computer enthusiast can be. Great work as always!
The audio jack removal is one of the worst changes ever. It has very practical uses when it comes to Raspberry Pi. One of my projects relies on it, so I will not be upgrading it.
@@terrydaktyllus1320The point went straight over your head 🙄 That's extra hardware that was previously never needed and limits media use without adapters sticking out
@@terrydaktyllus1320adapters this, dongles that... this is the issue with new hardware... making us buy extra bits and bobs to achieve basic functionality
I would like to know if the fan cooler is a necessity rather than an accessory? I suppose if you are going to use applications such as Blender it will be pretty much a necessity. Would you be able to perform any general heat teats? Thanks Chris.
Well this turns my week and my plans on their heads. Thanks for that! I am definitely switching my Pi 400 to desktop use once I get a Pi5, since that PCIe interface is too good to pass up for a NAS/home server.
Great come back for the Raspberry team !! thank you for the lovely video, even without Mr Scissor :) At least, there something cheaper and friendlier than the 3588 boards !
I am very impressed with this. Especially the power button part. Thank you for the explanation in the comments. Well done and thank you for creating yet another excellent and very informative video.
It looks good from your initial demo, thanks for this video. The extra power and specification is welcome but not sure what I will do with it yet because it's always the case now that there are used SFF PCs on eBay that can be purchased and used for an equivalent price anyway - so I've been using those and Orange Pi boards to build a lot of solutions, especially during the chip shortage. I expected the release of the Pi 5 to be reasonably imminent (though thought it might be on "Pi Day" 2024) and the $80 price tag for the 8GB version is a fair price - so no real complaints but likewise I've just been getting on and building the stuff I need to as ever without being sat "with baited breath" and waiting for its release. I do look forward to seeing how Gentoo Linux will run on it.
Thanks for presenting the new Raspberry Pi5 and offering a sneak peak! Much appreciated. Great first look and review. Great straight forward presentation, you have a very marketable voice! Outstanding job!
I never understand people that make comments like this because it's very easy to be a real hypocrite without realising it. If you've ever sold a house, a car or something on eBay, all of us look forward to getting the best possible price for what we sell - if someone buys your house for, say, £5000 more than the price you were expecting for it, do you hand them back the £5000 with a letter saying "Here's a refund because you paid too much for it"? It's called *capitalism* and you are allowed to demand whatever price you think goods or services can demand. It's the same thing that allows you to buy cheap and shiny gadgets at reasonable prices from China anyway when there is an abundance of particular items. It works *both* ways. You can argue that scalping isn't *moral* but there's no law against it - and the best way to combat it is to get some self respect and a backbone to avoid FOMO and just not pay scalper prices - look for a cheaper alternative or wait until prices drop. But don't whine when someone else does the same thing as you - expecting the highest possible price when they sell something.
I would love to see a video editing comparison with the RiPi4 and 5. That would really show a difference in performance and maybe alongside RISC 5 SBCs as well
Sadly Kdenlive did not work properly (no video display) in the pre-release software I had available to test. But I will test it out as soon as it is works. :) This should be a good video editing SBC.
It's always exciting to see a new launch from Raspberry Pi. The system has evolved massively since the Pi 1, it looks like it would be easily usable as a "daily driver" general use PC. There is some clever thought gone into the design, I really like the potential for expandability. I'm certainly looking forward to getting my hands on one.
It may be a bit too little too late after all the availability problems. I just use ex-lease 1L PCs now. Much better value but clearly not suiting every situation formerly the domain of the Pi.
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Thanks for this Chris. After an explosion of RPi5 videos over last couple of days I've been looking forward to hearing your take on it. Excellent video as ever, just the right pace for me to keep up with you!
Awesome, informative, and well made video. You make absolutely excellent videos, approachable for the newer techies, and informative for the more tenured bunch too. As far as the RPi5, its hard to get excited when just these past 2 weeks were the first I've seen the RPi4s available. Hopefully paper launches are only for gpus... I'm disappointed to lose the 3.5mm audio jack, disappointed at the lack of eMMC, dislike the lack of a full size HDMI adding to the number of peripherals, and agree that the lack of color coding is disappointing on GPIO. I like the clock battery, love the power button, like the increased I/O speeds, love the MIPI ports, and am happy to see the next gen processor speeds. I am conflicted on the PCIe connector. I feel they could make a m.2 slot for a 2242 drive which is more and more common and affordable. This would cover the vast majority of users of the PCIe slot and you could use adapters for abnormal use cases. This eliminates the need for a HAT. But as someone who will relish the abnormal use cases, I like this slot.
I have the same toughts on the PCIe connector. The bottom side of the board is "empty", so a 2242 m.2 stick would fit perfectly. The same, with the HDMI connectors. They could use a dual HDMI connector, like the USBs or again, the bottom side of the board is empty, two normal sized HDMI would fit perfectly. If they do that, then we can have the audio jack back too.
@@talos86 I couldn't agree more, constraints are supposed to encourage innovation, they're just wasting so much of their limited space by ignoring the bottom of the board. They keep adding the need for more peripherals: microHDMI, PCIe ribbon cable, USB audio, etc. Tell me how many people are using dual monitors with a raspberry pi; I'm guessing not many.
Thanks for the review Chris. I hope you won't mind that I ordered an 8GB Pi5 before watching your video. PCIE is fabulous. Got an email at 7am telling me of the release. I didn't get around to ordering until about 1pm. Left it too late! This is going to be mega popular. I hope I get one this year :0)
It is exciting to see the Raspberry Pi 5, but when I look at the pricing with all of the accessories (sans keyboard/mouse) we are getting into the territory of those small form factor, Celeron based PCs on Amazon by companies like BeeLink. I am still going to get a Pi 5 to learn about the system, but the value for this to be a "first computer" for a child is slipping away. Thanks for the great review and it looks like I will have some fun next spring when the ecosystem matures a little around this board.
My thoughts exactly. See... back in 2015, these Pi's made sense, as they were low power-based little things that anyone could acquire and tinker with on the cheap. Fast-forward past 2020 to current year; it costs more upfront and it will most likely be scalped like the Pi 4 was. Since the introduction of these mini PCs (AKA: mobile laptop components shoved into those small boxes), like you said above, the cost vs performance doesn't make as much sense once you start adding up cases and other accessories for the Pi. For $50-$100 more, you're honestly better off buying one of those mini x86 PCs instead.
I am a bit disappointed there isn't a "500" model for this. The form factor of the RPi 400 seemed to make more sense for the price point, considering what I use it for.
I love that they freed up the pcie from the doc with the addition of the south bridge chipset. This is going to make a LOT of interesting add on boards possible that just weren’t before. But arguably just as exciting is the RTC and accompanying battery port. Can’t wait to see these more powerful and expandable Pi in the wild and all the fun things people make with them. And the inevitable Pi 5 “super computers” are going to feel just a little more super than before. The south bridge also makes me wonder how the CM5 is going to turn out, and if it will be on module or if the carrier boards will have to have the south bridge to handle I/o, and if so if that means it’s possible to have even more i/o than the pi5 coming off that south bridge.
What a surprise! Thanks for the great demo Chris. I think this Raspberry Pi is going to be a winner. 4K video yeah! This is a genuine desktop replacement for a tiny price. Time to watch Jeff now :)
My first impression is that the base price is too high. It is no longer an obvious choice compared to the competitors. I would also rather have an audio jack than a tiny, inconveniently-located power button.
Thank you for the surprise, Chris! Aside from the controversial removal of the 3.5mm jack, I would have also liked to have seen a 16GB and 32GB option. But all together this is a very welcome upgrade. Looking forward to seeing how it performs in various situations.
Well timed video, as I just pre-ordered mine and now I have watched your review, I can’t wait to get my hands on it. RPi 5 is long awaited and much anticipated & by the looks of your tests, it does not disappoint. Thank you for another fantastic review.
Brilliant video as always - and naturally you're right regarding the PCI-E interface. To me there is almost nothing worse than a unmotivated placement of a connector. I'm really looking forward to the arrival of the M.2 HAT. Performance wise ... it should almost catch my beloved Phenom II X4 (I know the old giant is backed up by a R7-250, which most likely, I guess, pulls the BCM chip totally apart). But I haven't played a game in about five years og really don't utilize the power of the 140W chip nor the 65W GPU. For me there is one big problem though - the lack of a 3.5mm Jack connector. I do love a good 3.5mm jack connector.
Thanks Chris for the Raspberry Pi =V preview. I intend to order one when they are available. Well it loos lie that 2024 is going to be better for us SBC enthusiasts! Have a nice day!
Amazing video. I just want to note I've noticed those cheap SSD to USB adapters work well but if you get a self powered one in some cases (including PCs) can run much faster. Some SSDs can draw over 1 amp on their own and I know the USB ports are designed to allow this much current draw so I don't know the exact reason for this. I have tested it on several devices and it's faster on about 80% of them. Again not sure why but thought I'd mention it.
Looks promising. Curious to see how well this runs a more demanding desktop environment like KDE Plasma or GNOME. These singleboard computers are slowly becoming viable options for everyday computing.
So you don't already have access to enough devices like PCs, laptops, tablets and mobile phones that are already viable options for everyday computing for a lot of people? Technological progression and advancement allow more computing power to be fit into smaller spaces, and with lower power consumption, but if the core design concept of the Pi is to be a desktop replacement then why have GPIO pins on it that allow interfacing to external devices? KDE Plasma and GNOME are bloated, they are far too filled with unnecessary eye candy. I have a reasonably good desktop experience running my own build of Gentoo Linux with a light i3 desktop on an original Pi and original Pi Zero. Sure, you're not going to be playing YT videos on them any time soon but they are perfectly viable systems for other computing applications.
Always appreciate the informative and general cheerfulness of your videos. It was a pleasant surprise to find out that a raspberry pi 5 is being released and it's even nicer that you managed to get the chance to critique it on all our behalf.. Will be intriguing to see if/when a pi500 will be released to succeed the 400. Although at this moment in time it's better to be happy with the evolution on pi5 from pi4
👍Excellent as usual. I appreciate the separating of your claims and findings from RasPi claims: " I asked RasPi this; they said that." Good form! Thank you.
Pi5 is a pretty awesome (and unexpected) update! I really like most of their changes and improvements. However, I think the Achilles heel of this design is going to be the single PCIe lane. The Pi4 was able to get away with that, but that's going to be a _massive_ constraint over the lifecycle of the Pi5. It may result in an unexpectedly short lifecycle getting us to Pi6 faster than expected.
Raspberry Pi could do a great job of making commercial products if they wanted to, but I think they are entrenched in the academic and hobbyist market. For now they are comfortable in their niche. Someday, the cost of hardware will cross the performance required by heavy duty tasks. Maybe RP10. After that, Raspberry Pis will be routers, NAS, firewalls etc...
I wish they would get rid of the two micro HDMI ports and go back to one standard port. The heat and power consumption is also a bit worrying. A device like this shouldn't need a fan.
I wish they would put out a 4B that draws less than 2 Amps. The gap between Pi and Arduino keeps getting bigger. They are too focused on making a desktop PC replacement.
Oh dear... new Pi and there's always someone expecting to "crowbar" Microsoft's bloated and privacy-hating OS onto it. A piece of advice - just teach yourself Linux and keep Microsoft's "big fat nose" out of your personal life. Sure, the learning curve takes effort initially to overcome, but the rewards come later. I personally rid myself of my Microsoft abuser when support for Windows 7 ended (though I was "on the way out" at that point anyway) and I haven't looked back since.
I imagine - for some use-cases - the dedicated io silicon will make the cpu feel very fast indeed. More cycles per second and fewer wasted on stuffing bytes into ethernet/usb 👍
This looks quite good in comparison to its predecessor! It seems that technological progress is severely slowing down on many fronts, so it's nice to see the massive improvements without a massive increase in size, power draw, and price.
Greetings All! Following many posts below, just a word on the operation of the Pi 5 power button. When power is first connected to the Pi 5 (ie the adapter is plugged in to the wall socket and/or switched on there), the Pi 5 immediately boots -- which is what happens in the first boot shown in the video. But if the Pi is then shut down but power is not removed, the power button can be pressed to boot it up again (which is what happens in the second two boots shown in the video). So those worrying that human intervention is neccessary on every boot, or after a power outage, need not fear. :)
Can that be configured? There are times I would prefer it in "previous power state" mode.
WoL would be a plus too.
The button may be a simple circuit breaker which equivalent to manual unplug and replug
@@ysts3452 I have my doubts about that, considering how sophisticated the power system is on this board.
Do you can connect external graphics card in PCIe slot? Is NVme M.2 supporting?
I keep watching these videos but never had the money to buy any Raspberry Pi 1, 2, 3, 4, and now 5!
We don't get special extra episodes that often-thank you for taking the time to get this video out to us this week!
Will Red Shirt Jeff be moding this ?
Thanks Jeff -- I only break the schedule for a new Pi. Loved your video -- I knew you would want to push the PCIe to its limits. :)
@@ExplainingComputers I would hope that with the support of the company and users, that PCIe stuff will be better supported compared to other SBC's with PCIe/M.2 slots.
@@nekomasteryoutube3232 And looking at pictures it looks like they have made it easier to do the wifi jack mod on this too. (U.FL Connector)
I watched Jeff's RPi5 video immediately before Christopher's, and I'm glad there's room for both styles. I enjoy both! RPi5 on preorder now...
Here I am drinking my morning coffee and out of nowhere an EC video about RPi5 drops on my lap. Top notch production value as always, thanks Christopher!
Exactly. I have been search and there was not even a possible release date and the man just have it already? Next episode: explaining time travel machines.
That time I'm in the toilet 🚽😂
Same here. Just got up and ... this!
Same here, Just delightful to watch.
Great time to be in the toilet lads!
The fact you were sent one prerelease shows the massive respect the SBC producers and community have for you.
The Raspberry Pi Foundation always sends Chris a new board, just like they do with other TH-camrs.
Hey guys .let us not get too sweaty..
Well he is the SBC youtube guy....Clearly Pi foundation wants to gauge demand, hence pre orders and getting info out there...so they can crank up suppliers if needed.
Looking at my feed seems lots went out for review
@@Henchman1977 Yes, many channels are releasing videos on this today, all at once. Almost as if it were a coordinated advertisement campaign by Raspberry Pi. Which is all right as long as they're transparent about it. Still it's good to remember they're doing it with a commercial purpose, that is, to create some hype for their new product.
This guy has perfectly captured the look and feel of late 70s early 80s bbc-open university-schools TV. Every episode takes me back to sitting in class and the tv and vcr being wheeled in for subjects the teacher didn’t have a hope of understanding.
I made exactly that comment a few weeks back. Chris Serle and Ian McNaught-Davis on The Computer Program.
Agreed, and imo in the very best way not negative connotations.
That’s the main appeal of his videos. I used to live getting up in the early hours as a kid and watching the open university programmes.
Hilarious! You're right, but it's actually very good, and he get's subscribers!
@@dna9838 Absolutely!
Always loving EC's style of video: no BS, clear, nicely paced, and usually if not always tells all of what I would've wanted to ask about particular thing. Thank you for the great videos, as always. I'm always praying for you to be always healthy, happy, and be able to keep doing what you enjoy doing.
This is probably going to go down as the single most welcome bonus video of all time. Timed very nicely to coincide with the opening of Rpi5 pre-orders.
Excellent video as always, Chris. You're truly a legend!
Raspberry PI is overpriced and overhyped imo.
That's no coincidence.
@@aladdin8623 it's justified by full supports and documentations imo.
That was by design.
good timing? you know when companies send out demo products theres an NDA until xyz date dont you? thats why every channel have an exclusive on the same day......
What people like most about you is that you deliver a full review with such an honest way, straight to the point, straight to the hearts of your audience. Thank you
i like the video, although is quite advertising. what about the downsides of the rpi5?
Yep your spot on, he’s extremely knowledgeable and no fluffing around
He's been doing it this way for a very long time. :)
@@amiga68k75 can't think of anything considerable as a downside without being unfair
@@amiga68k75 you lose some backward compatibility HW-wise (eg. case), no 3.5mm jack, H.264 hardware decoder was left out this time, still no VP9 hardware decode acceleration. (personally I think it's also sad that there's still no official Android or Windows on ARM images, despite it being the defacto ARM SBC on the market, but this might be very well on Google/Microsoft, not just the Pi Foundation). These are my complaints which are actually not so bad, otherwise it's a decent successor with near equal price. I think it's very good overall, the desktop performance is pretty impressive.
Thanks for your hard work and excellent presentations!
Thanks for your support, most appreciated. :)
Good to see you again, sir. Best no nonsense reviews on the Tube. Must be nice to get your hands on this, you deserve it!
This announcement was kept under wraps better than most government Top Secret projects! I woke up today and had my inbox filled with Raspberry Pi 5 news. Just preordered mine with cooling. Appreciate the preview Chris! This upgrade is surely worth the price. Can't wait to get mine. Stay well. Rich
Greetings Rich. :)
Not me. No 3.5" audio jack means it's useless. That's what it's made for. No media? No, I don't want some crappy bluetooth. GARBAGE!
I wasn't expecting that before 2024! It's Christmas already! I love that we got the usual full presentation of this Pi5 from you Chris. Awesome video!
Good luck getting one for Christmas.
Hopefully we can get our hands on one before Christmas 2023.
A new Explaining Computers video at this hour? A rare treat! :)
I have got one like 1,5 weeks ago. Finally my pre-order came in. Get the 8GB version while you can. Seems that the 5 is already sold out in my country for the rest of this year.
Wow, I am seriously impressed by the Raspberry Pi 5, it seems to perform really well, and still with the same form factor. Awesome stuff!!
Love your videos. No flashy nonsense. Just facts presented in an organized and easy to understand presentation.
he's the best in that regard - by far!
Yes. So refreshing.
I’m happy to support you by joining your channel. Not because of the perks resulting of this but for the significance of your work. Thanks for maintaining a channel which continues to enrich the community.
Thanks for this. :)
The quality of Explaining Computer videos have long been and continue to be of first rate quality. Also super excited about the Raspberry Pi 5. The Pi 4 was a usable desktop replacement, but the Pi 5 looks like it can run most everything smoothly. Life just got a little better! 😊🎉
@@ExplainingComputers I've ordered the memory hat- how many TB maxes Pi out?
I really enjoy your videos. Your way of delivering details and specifications and not using background music or other annoying things that take the focus from the demonstration makes it all a treat to watch.
Thank you very much!
Yeah, I also noticed the no annoying music in the background. I wish TH-cam would have a feature for creators to have the background track as a separate track from the rest of the audio, so we could turn it off. I have no idea why every creator seem to have loud music over what ever they are doing for no good reason.
I second that! It's so difficult to find good information around presented in a serious and calming way. Thank you for these awesome videos, Chris.
I am sold. I am definitely going to get one for myself and learn how to use it. I passed up Pi for a long time, not really knowing any better. Egg on my face. Lol. Can't wait for it to come out. Thank you for a very informative video.
Good luck with your Pi 5 adventure! :) The first boards ship this week, but there is a waiting list now.
Fantastic upgrade over the 4. Can’t wait until they are in stock. One again you provided a detailed product review without the hype.
Stay safe Christopher.
Yay an extra video from the best TH-camr on TH-cam. The new pi seems promising although the lack of a audio jack sure sucks for some use cases. Hopefully they keep support for the Ethernet without a dongle.
"Raspberry pi" let remove the audio jack .
"Apple" hold my beer ...audio jack gone power jack gone... USB C gone.
Yup, I'll be sticking to the Pi4 for my desktop since I do use the audio out (even right now!). I definitely have other uses for the Pi5 performance that don't need it, though!
Yeah thats the mayor drawback
@@KarstenJohansson Puts me off buying one. How do you get audio out now ? Presume via HDMI ?
@@the_retag Mayor?
Seriously never change, ur channel rocks
This was quite a crazy and sudden release. I am glad one of my favorite channels got the opportunity to receive this highly anticipated SBC.
Very impressive, I'd say this is the degree of power required to make the RPI the device that can be both the allround computer, and the creator/learner device. They provide practically everything I was hoping for, and if they really keep that price it's most impressive! (and I was only expecting a RPI5 in 2024 - this timing makes it a brilliant christmas present!)
Gteat job Chris!!! Can't wait to get one!!! Will get it as soon as one comes out!!! Very informative video! I really enjoyed all the comparisons!!! Keep up the great work and again, thank you for all that you do!!!
My day has been made! Another amazing video Chris. Your content is always very informative and entertaining.
I've been watching your videos for years now, and I want you to know how much I appreciate you for making them. You always give us great information that is always straight to the point. Thank you, sir.
What a pleasant surprise Chris.. a midweek video is all I need 👍🏻
This is painfully exciting! I adore this channel and I'm so thankful!
It takes me back to the early 90s Manchester watching VHS education programs in school when the teacher needed a break 😂 but only a lot more interesting.
Always happy to see a new review or tutorial from you, always straight to the point and clearly explained as it should be!
Thank You.
Seeing TH-cam load and play fluidly at 1080p on an SBC at this price is genuinely impressive, not to mention the responsiveness of the desktop in general. Unfortunate that they're sticking with micro hdmi, as I really don't trust it, however in every other aspect this seems to be a welcome upgrade
YT didn't have any problems being played at 1080p on an RPi 4.
Have you had issues with micro hdmi?
my i3 7020u laptop can barely play youtube videos on chrome and it's so laggy when entering the full screen mode. How this little piece can play youtube that smooth?
Yes. Small and fiddly. My pi4 was shipped with a defective cable. It broke the first socket on insertion. I was so excited I tried the second socket. In 10 seconds I had to figure out if I wanted a headless pi4. Decided to use as a media nas. It's fine, but not what I planned.
Can't help feeling I full size HDMI would be more robust.
And I would prefer one HDMI one display port to 2 HDMI
@@Alpha-kl4joQuite possibly your system is bloated
I did not expect to catch a release from one of your videos! Very surprising.
I wish the PCI was 3.0 or more than one lane, but everything else looks fantastic. This is true desktop territory.
Despite the limited bandwidth, it could be good for the latency which might make a lot of difference.
Jeff Geerling in his video said that 3.0 is supported, but not certified, so you have to enable it manually.
@@Winnetou17 That changes things quite a lot. Considering the ridiculous PCIe extension cables out there, I’d be quite comfortable running this at uncertified speeds. Can’t say I have much to complain about now.
An excellent initial review of this SBC. I am annoyed that the audio jack was removed, I’m sure the designers could have found room for it somewhere on the board.
Gotta copy Apple at all costs. Though for what most people use the Pi for, it probably isn't used much.
@@pikachuchujelly7628 I think its because of the following: You are generally using the Pi with HDMI (which of course is audio as well as video) OR you are using your pi as some sort of server or control device, hence headless .... and you are SSH(ing) or VNC(ing) into to it.
This is the review I was waiting for. I could and have listened to this man talk about SBCs for hours.
Another superb rundown, thanks Chris!
This is very exciting, lots of good improvements but also some questionable choices too, probably the one that hurts the most is the removal of the audio jack, which wasn't just for audio but for analog video/composite/RCA too which will hurt retro gaming enthusiasts the most, also the CPU upgrade while very welcomed I felt is not a huge leap by any stretch and I'd like to see something a little bit more powerful, at least 2x RPi4's or a 8 core chip. Either way for desktop computing it looks great, can't wait for a Raspberry Pi 500 to give it to my mother to replace her aging desktop PC.
Also Chris I would love to see some comparisons down the line with other mini PCs and current Pi clones!!
Removing that audio jack must have taken some courage. ∗cough∗
While I’m typing this on a lovely new machine in a full-size desktop case that I got a few months ago, I found out its onboard analog audio interfaces would not support my 5.1 surround-sound speakers. It could have been done via the optical interface, I suppose. But I found the easiest solution was to get a separate external USB audio box that does 7.1 out.
I’m sure that same box will work fine on the Pi 5. In fact, I think it’s bigger than the Pi 5.
> at least 2x RPi4's
it is in 2 - 2.5x range, Jeff Geerling and ETA Prime showed more benchmarks
Personally the design decisions make a lot of sense to me. A faster chip would likely have dramatically increased the price point of the RPi 5 and the power consumption which would be a step away from their philosophy. Performance comes with a cost and it is exponential.
Unpopulated VID header near camera/display connectors looks like a composite out to me
Mmh, some would immediately want to know where to solder your own audio-out connection for SDR applications, without tampering with the HDMI.
I'm genuinely excited for this board. I'll be getting one myself once it's available.
Great video and very timely thank you ❤️
Immediately went and pre-ordered one 😀
I wonder if they’ll update the RPi 400 with this new architecture?
Probably not for some time but a pi 500 would be pretty sweet.
Ras pi 5 feels like 10 series nvidia or 5600x amd
Really impressed by this; looks like it's actually a viable decktop replacement! Would love to see an all-in-one keyboard computer version - a Pi 500!
Look forward to seeing how an nvme drive does, and if you can boot from it!
RP3 was so frustrating, just a little too slow. RP4 much better, but this 5 like you said looks desktop quick. Hope there is an RP500.
I hope R500 would have build in NVME slot, even 2230 would be enouth
I was thinking of mounting one of these inside an old Commodore64 chassis.
A straight talking summary as usual - really great work as always.
Thanks for bringing us the latest news with a proper in depth review. Well done to Raspberry Pi for making it available to a content creator that we all know and trust.
Let's hope there are plans for the Pi5 to be installed in a keyboard since this looks to be a serious alternative to a desktop computer for many users.
Thanks again Christopher.
Excellent video, as always. For me the RPi ship has pretty much sailed. During the supply chain crunch, I stopped buying Pi's and retasked old PC's from my junk pile. Then bought some new x86 mini PC's with 4 cores and 7 watts power draw. Unless I need the discrete I/O pins or super small size, I see little reason to use a Pi now. But please keep reviewing the Pi ecosystem, because you do it so well, and we need to always keep up with things!
Yeah the mini PCs with Alder Lake-N are fantastic for many of the things a Pi is good for, and the price is pretty comparable once you factor in accessories. Media server, pihole, HTPC, kids' cheap computer for learning Python/messing with Linux, etc.
And while those don't expose GPIO pins, the Raspberry Pi Pico (or other cheap MicroPython-capable MCU boards) are a great way to learn about circuit design and hardware control. Many Raspberry Pi projects would work just as well on a Pico.
There's definitely still plenty of use cases where a Pi 5 makes the most sense, of course.
That's what I was thinking, too since the price has been creeping up for the pi's.
Lack of GPIO is more or less overcome by the abundance of cheap microcontrollers with loads of GPIOs. And then you get addicted to measuring and monitoring everything 😂
@@wereoctopus I can't find any mini PC which isn't at least five times the price of a Pi 5.. unfortunately. Or let's say four times, after adding (non-SD) storage, power supply, box. I've seen many interesting presentations (on this channel and elsewhere) of mini PCs, it's just that they're all very expensive as far as I can tell.
@@tohaason I don't know what prices are like where you live, but I'll take your word for it.
Here in Australia a 4GB Pi 5 is $103 AUD, though currently out of stock.
Right now, I can buy a Beelink Mini S12 Pro for $299 AUD. That has an Intel N100 (four 12th-gen E-cores), and includes 16GB of RAM and a 500GB SSD.
Other mini-pc brands are ~$250 with similar specs, or ~$200 for less RAM and SSD space. I have no idea if Beelink just has a bigger profit margin, or if the difference is down to better-quality components, tech support/documentation etc. I just have one mini-PC, so can't run any comparative benchmarks :-)
Older mini-PCs (e.g. with 11th-gen Intel "Atom" cores, the forerunner of their E-core architecture) are also about $200, maybe less.
Again, relative pricing might be different where you are. And earlier Pi models are cheaper and in stock. I'm a big fan of the Pi 3A+, which is $40 here.
Crushing it as always with your vids - keep up the great work my friend!
955K subscribers - This channel deserves 1Mio ! Give the man what he deserves ! We need at least another 50k subscribers here - His videos are always on point - best information about SBC Computers you can find ! Great Job as always
thank you Chris, have a great week, oooo wel it almost weekend so good weekend soon !!!
You too!! It is a big weekend -- with a special 500th EC video posting Sunday. :)
This is the first Raspberry Pi since the original that I haven't bought at launch. Factor in the heatsink and power supply (let alone the new peripherals) and you're pushing £100 which is a far cry from the original aim of cheap computing. I'm sure it's a fantastic piece of hardware supported by equally fantastic software, but it's too rich for my taste.
I would suggest probably near £80 if the $80 launch price for the 8 GB Pi 5 alone equates to around £60.
On a good day, you might get a used 3rd or 4th generation Core i5 SFF PC with 8GB RAM slightly cheaper but I think the Raspberry Pi price is competitive on that basis.
Ultimately, you could buy much cheaper and lower-powered SBCs that may do what you need but you then have to do more work yourself - "swings and roundabouts" as they say.
Are you just an AI sent-in to justify rising prices?
Seems fair to me. Just a desktop cpu or a nuc/sff or whatever is easily 100$
If your just email checking or hobby projecting or even doing something more serious, 100 currencies is a very low cost of entry.
I hope it drives used prices of older pi models down and brings more to the market.
@@FacialVomitTurtleFights I see you're a strong believer in trickle-down economics, and all the bottom-squeeze that's going down.
The Pi4 1GB was 35$ and the 4GB was 55$, in 2019.
Yet here you are 4 years later trying to gaslight everyone into thinking 100 bucks is "just fine"...
Of course, you would never *only* spend 100$ on it, because you will need to cool it and accessorize it massively. Probably increasing the cost into the 200s, easily.
Still think you're just an AI, honestly...
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Sadly US dollar prices often translate directly to the price in UK pounds - currently the $80 variant is pre-ordering for £79.
I'll wait too I think, see what happens to Pi4 prices (though the 5's a fine upgrade and i'll likely get one eventually, especially if the GPU is a decent performer).
It took me by surprise, I didn't expect the new model this fast, I really like it, I thought the processor speed wouldn't be that high, I was expecting something around 2 but never thought it was going to be 2.4 which is excellent, I would have liked standard HDMI ports though. I would have never imagined a Pi with an active heat sink, or on/off switch. I can't wait to see how well it performs on Retro gaming since some systems were not playable with the RP4, Good news, Cheers
I expect the first thing people will be doing is overclocking it anyway - so you may get closer to 2.8 or 3.0 GHz clock speeds on it - we shall see.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of cases will be available for it. The active cooling part is no longer optional, i guess, unless you want to disable 3 of 4 cores?
@@simpletongeek You could probably passively cool it but you'd need a BIG heatsink and therefore a special case.
@@simpletongeekYou can keep it fanless at the cost of crippled performance.
@@jimbotron70 I wonder how much under clocking is necessary? 🤔
Finally a new Pi after so many years
EC is the kind of channel you can sip a nice cup of coffee or hot cocoa and watch and be content as a fellow computer enthusiast can be. Great work as always!
Just saw the announcement 30 minutes ago, very happily surprised to see you did an early video on it, you must have been so excited for this!
The audio jack removal is one of the worst changes ever. It has very practical uses when it comes to Raspberry Pi. One of my projects relies on it, so I will not be upgrading it.
There are cheap adapters to split audio off of HDMI into separate audio and video outputs - it's no biggie.
@@terrydaktyllus1320The point went straight over your head 🙄
That's extra hardware that was previously never needed and limits media use without adapters sticking out
Yeah I plan on making a music player, and no 3.5mm jack kinda sucks
@@terrydaktyllus1320adapters this, dongles that... this is the issue with new hardware... making us buy extra bits and bobs to achieve basic functionality
Built in audio was poor. Like 90s poor. A proper hat or digital hdmi far better
I would like to know if the fan cooler is a necessity rather than an accessory?
I suppose if you are going to use applications such as Blender it will be pretty much a necessity. Would you be able to perform any general heat teats? Thanks Chris.
I will indeed be going more tests.
Well this turns my week and my plans on their heads. Thanks for that!
I am definitely switching my Pi 400 to desktop use once I get a Pi5, since that PCIe interface is too good to pass up for a NAS/home server.
What plans? The RPi 5 isn't even available yet.
LOL, you're going to use a PCIe 2.0 x1 interface in a NAS?
@@Okurka. The plan to buy a raspberry Pi 4B 8GB model primarily.
Great come back for the Raspberry team !! thank you for the lovely video, even without Mr Scissor :) At least, there something cheaper and friendlier than the 3588 boards !
I am very impressed with this. Especially the power button part. Thank you for the explanation in the comments.
Well done and thank you for creating yet another excellent and very informative video.
It looks good from your initial demo, thanks for this video.
The extra power and specification is welcome but not sure what I will do with it yet because it's always the case now that there are used SFF PCs on eBay that can be purchased and used for an equivalent price anyway - so I've been using those and Orange Pi boards to build a lot of solutions, especially during the chip shortage.
I expected the release of the Pi 5 to be reasonably imminent (though thought it might be on "Pi Day" 2024) and the $80 price tag for the 8GB version is a fair price - so no real complaints but likewise I've just been getting on and building the stuff I need to as ever without being sat "with baited breath" and waiting for its release.
I do look forward to seeing how Gentoo Linux will run on it.
A brand new RPI5!!! I hope silent 3rd party passive coolers if possible.
I imagine this will be possible.
@@ExplainingComputersChris, I got an idea for you new video, let's compare the new rpi5 and the orange pi 5/radxa. Pi5
Like the look of it. PCI is a huge positive. Also the bird is a Cormorant. Used for fishing in China I think.
It's only PCIe 2.0 x1.
Thanks for presenting the new Raspberry Pi5 and offering a sneak peak! Much appreciated. Great first look and review. Great straight forward presentation, you have a very marketable voice! Outstanding job!
Thank you! Always looking forward to new videos. Cheers
Very nice upgrade over the pi 4. The big question is, will they actually be available in reasonable quantities and at non-scalper prices?
I never understand people that make comments like this because it's very easy to be a real hypocrite without realising it.
If you've ever sold a house, a car or something on eBay, all of us look forward to getting the best possible price for what we sell - if someone buys your house for, say, £5000 more than the price you were expecting for it, do you hand them back the £5000 with a letter saying "Here's a refund because you paid too much for it"?
It's called *capitalism* and you are allowed to demand whatever price you think goods or services can demand. It's the same thing that allows you to buy cheap and shiny gadgets at reasonable prices from China anyway when there is an abundance of particular items. It works *both* ways.
You can argue that scalping isn't *moral* but there's no law against it - and the best way to combat it is to get some self respect and a backbone to avoid FOMO and just not pay scalper prices - look for a cheaper alternative or wait until prices drop.
But don't whine when someone else does the same thing as you - expecting the highest possible price when they sell something.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I'm sorry internet-officer. I won't let it happen again! Clown.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Found a scalper.
I would love to see a video editing comparison with the RiPi4 and 5. That would really show a difference in performance and maybe alongside RISC 5 SBCs as well
Sadly Kdenlive did not work properly (no video display) in the pre-release software I had available to test. But I will test it out as soon as it is works. :) This should be a good video editing SBC.
@@ExplainingComputersDon't suppose you tried a car racing (fast changing) 1080p 60fps youtube video?
It's always exciting to see a new launch from Raspberry Pi. The system has evolved massively since the Pi 1, it looks like it would be easily usable as a "daily driver" general use PC. There is some clever thought gone into the design, I really like the potential for expandability. I'm certainly looking forward to getting my hands on one.
It may be a bit too little too late after all the availability problems. I just use ex-lease 1L PCs now. Much better value but clearly not suiting every situation formerly the domain of the Pi.
I'm very excited about the news you provided in this video. I'm glad that the friends from the Raspberry Pi Foundation chose you to present their new and amazing product. Great video.
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Thanks for this Chris. After an explosion of RPi5 videos over last couple of days I've been looking forward to hearing your take on it. Excellent video as ever, just the right pace for me to keep up with you!
Are they going to release a pi500? If the PCIe slot were accessed underneath that would give off a huge Amiga vibe!
Uhm . . . nice idea.
The new Pi's pretty good! Though the fact that they removed the audio jack really made me sad.
There are cheap adapters to split audio off of HDMI into separate audio and video outputs - it's no biggie.
Look the Pi foundation were just being very courageous!!!!!!!!!
Awesome, informative, and well made video. You make absolutely excellent videos, approachable for the newer techies, and informative for the more tenured bunch too.
As far as the RPi5, its hard to get excited when just these past 2 weeks were the first I've seen the RPi4s available. Hopefully paper launches are only for gpus... I'm disappointed to lose the 3.5mm audio jack, disappointed at the lack of eMMC, dislike the lack of a full size HDMI adding to the number of peripherals, and agree that the lack of color coding is disappointing on GPIO. I like the clock battery, love the power button, like the increased I/O speeds, love the MIPI ports, and am happy to see the next gen processor speeds.
I am conflicted on the PCIe connector. I feel they could make a m.2 slot for a 2242 drive which is more and more common and affordable. This would cover the vast majority of users of the PCIe slot and you could use adapters for abnormal use cases. This eliminates the need for a HAT. But as someone who will relish the abnormal use cases, I like this slot.
I have the same toughts on the PCIe connector. The bottom side of the board is "empty", so a 2242 m.2 stick would fit perfectly. The same, with the HDMI connectors. They could use a dual HDMI connector, like the USBs or again, the bottom side of the board is empty, two normal sized HDMI would fit perfectly. If they do that, then we can have the audio jack back too.
It will be interesting to see how sales of the Pi4 and Pi5 compare in the next few years.
@@jimmybrad156 especially in emulation.
@@talos86 I couldn't agree more, constraints are supposed to encourage innovation, they're just wasting so much of their limited space by ignoring the bottom of the board.
They keep adding the need for more peripherals: microHDMI, PCIe ribbon cable, USB audio, etc. Tell me how many people are using dual monitors with a raspberry pi; I'm guessing not many.
No Sound.... My Raspberry is my "TV" Sound Blaster Speakers + Big old Flat Screen --- Howl.......
What a lovely video. I have never used R. Pi. in my life and this was a very pleasant introduction for me.
Thanks for the review Chris. I hope you won't mind that I ordered an 8GB Pi5 before watching your video. PCIE is fabulous.
Got an email at 7am telling me of the release. I didn't get around to ordering until about 1pm. Left it too late!
This is going to be mega popular. I hope I get one this year :0)
It is exciting to see the Raspberry Pi 5, but when I look at the pricing with all of the accessories (sans keyboard/mouse) we are getting into the territory of those small form factor, Celeron based PCs on Amazon by companies like BeeLink. I am still going to get a Pi 5 to learn about the system, but the value for this to be a "first computer" for a child is slipping away. Thanks for the great review and it looks like I will have some fun next spring when the ecosystem matures a little around this board.
My thoughts exactly. See... back in 2015, these Pi's made sense, as they were low power-based little things that anyone could acquire and tinker with on the cheap. Fast-forward past 2020 to current year; it costs more upfront and it will most likely be scalped like the Pi 4 was.
Since the introduction of these mini PCs (AKA: mobile laptop components shoved into those small boxes), like you said above, the cost vs performance doesn't make as much sense once you start adding up cases and other accessories for the Pi. For $50-$100 more, you're honestly better off buying one of those mini x86 PCs instead.
I am a bit disappointed there isn't a "500" model for this. The form factor of the RPi 400 seemed to make more sense for the price point, considering what I use it for.
I literally was googling info on the Pi 5 2 hours ago to see if one was gonna come out this year haha this is crazy!
I love that they freed up the pcie from the doc with the addition of the south bridge chipset. This is going to make a LOT of interesting add on boards possible that just weren’t before. But arguably just as exciting is the RTC and accompanying battery port.
Can’t wait to see these more powerful and expandable Pi in the wild and all the fun things people make with them. And the inevitable Pi 5 “super computers” are going to feel just a little more super than before.
The south bridge also makes me wonder how the CM5 is going to turn out, and if it will be on module or if the carrier boards will have to have the south bridge to handle I/o, and if so if that means it’s possible to have even more i/o than the pi5 coming off that south bridge.
Super as always Chris, thanks for getting this video out so quickly
What a surprise! Thanks for the great demo Chris. I think this Raspberry Pi is going to be a winner. 4K video yeah! This is a genuine desktop replacement for a tiny price. Time to watch Jeff now :)
My first impression is that the base price is too high. It is no longer an obvious choice compared to the competitors. I would also rather have an audio jack than a tiny, inconveniently-located power button.
I expected 8 cores ... but still not bad for 4 cores with 50% improvement. My guess is that RPI 6 will have 8 cores and DDR5 memory.
Thank you for the surprise, Chris!
Aside from the controversial removal of the 3.5mm jack, I would have also liked to have seen a 16GB and 32GB option. But all together this is a very welcome upgrade. Looking forward to seeing how it performs in various situations.
Jeff geerling said in his video 16gb is not out of the game, just not on launch
@@the_retag I did see that afterwards. That'll be nice if they do release that version. I'm still a little surprised they didn't launch with it.
No Sound - My main use for my Raspberry is as my "TV" - Sound Blaster Speakers + Big Flat Screen - What am I going to do ?
@@maryginger4877 sound hat
I seldom leave a comment but this time I do it to help boost other views. Thank you for the video
Well timed video, as I just pre-ordered mine and now I have watched your review, I can’t wait to get my hands on it. RPi 5 is long awaited and much anticipated & by the looks of your tests, it does not disappoint. Thank you for another fantastic review.
Looks like a great SBC. The responsiveness of the GUI is impressive.
Brilliant video as always - and naturally you're right regarding the PCI-E interface. To me there is almost nothing worse than a unmotivated placement of a connector. I'm really looking forward to the arrival of the M.2 HAT.
Performance wise ... it should almost catch my beloved Phenom II X4 (I know the old giant is backed up by a R7-250, which most likely, I guess, pulls the BCM chip totally apart). But I haven't played a game in about five years og really don't utilize the power of the 140W chip nor the 65W GPU.
For me there is one big problem though - the lack of a 3.5mm Jack connector. I do love a good 3.5mm jack connector.
The real question is: can they keep it in stock at a reasonable price? If not, very little of the rest matters.
You are always my go-to guy for stuff like this. Keep up the good work. Cheers!
I appreciate that!
Thanks Chris for the Raspberry Pi =V preview. I intend to order one when they are available.
Well it loos lie that 2024 is going to be better for us SBC enthusiasts!
Have a nice day!
Amazing video. I just want to note I've noticed those cheap SSD to USB adapters work well but if you get a self powered one in some cases (including PCs) can run much faster. Some SSDs can draw over 1 amp on their own and I know the USB ports are designed to allow this much current draw so I don't know the exact reason for this. I have tested it on several devices and it's faster on about 80% of them. Again not sure why but thought I'd mention it.
Looks promising. Curious to see how well this runs a more demanding desktop environment like KDE Plasma or GNOME. These singleboard computers are slowly becoming viable options for everyday computing.
So you don't already have access to enough devices like PCs, laptops, tablets and mobile phones that are already viable options for everyday computing for a lot of people?
Technological progression and advancement allow more computing power to be fit into smaller spaces, and with lower power consumption, but if the core design concept of the Pi is to be a desktop replacement then why have GPIO pins on it that allow interfacing to external devices?
KDE Plasma and GNOME are bloated, they are far too filled with unnecessary eye candy. I have a reasonably good desktop experience running my own build of Gentoo Linux with a light i3 desktop on an original Pi and original Pi Zero. Sure, you're not going to be playing YT videos on them any time soon but they are perfectly viable systems for other computing applications.
Always appreciate the informative and general cheerfulness of your videos.
It was a pleasant surprise to find out that a raspberry pi 5 is being released and it's even nicer that you managed to get the chance to critique it on all our behalf..
Will be intriguing to see if/when a pi500 will be released to succeed the 400. Although at this moment in time it's better to be happy with the evolution on pi5 from pi4
👍Excellent as usual. I appreciate the separating of your claims and findings from RasPi claims: " I asked RasPi this; they said that." Good form! Thank you.
Pi 5 is indeed impressive. This is also another well done analysis of the Raspberry product.
Pi5 is a pretty awesome (and unexpected) update! I really like most of their changes and improvements. However, I think the Achilles heel of this design is going to be the single PCIe lane. The Pi4 was able to get away with that, but that's going to be a _massive_ constraint over the lifecycle of the Pi5. It may result in an unexpectedly short lifecycle getting us to Pi6 faster than expected.
Raspberry Pi could do a great job of making commercial products if they wanted to, but I think they are entrenched in the academic and hobbyist market. For now they are comfortable in their niche.
Someday, the cost of hardware will cross the performance required by heavy duty tasks. Maybe RP10. After that, Raspberry Pis will be routers, NAS, firewalls etc...
A PCI-E connector finally means we can get multiple real SATA connections.
I wish they would get rid of the two micro HDMI ports and go back to one standard port. The heat and power consumption is also a bit worrying. A device like this shouldn't need a fan.
I wish they would put out a 4B that draws less than 2 Amps. The gap between Pi and Arduino keeps getting bigger. They are too focused on making a desktop PC replacement.
@nerfherder4284 That's an interesting viewpoint. You're right. Price was always no.1 priority as far as I remember.
I'd be genuinely curious how Windows on Raspberry Pi will run this. Good vid as always!
It should run pretty well, not just due to the more powerful CPU, but also the RPI I/O chip.
Oh dear... new Pi and there's always someone expecting to "crowbar" Microsoft's bloated and privacy-hating OS onto it.
A piece of advice - just teach yourself Linux and keep Microsoft's "big fat nose" out of your personal life. Sure, the learning curve takes effort initially to overcome, but the rewards come later.
I personally rid myself of my Microsoft abuser when support for Windows 7 ended (though I was "on the way out" at that point anyway) and I haven't looked back since.
I imagine - for some use-cases - the dedicated io silicon will make the cpu feel very fast indeed. More cycles per second and fewer wasted on stuffing bytes into ethernet/usb 👍
Exactly. It is hard to convey the difference it makes to the experience in a video.
Agreed, and if the addition of the I/O chip meant there was no room for the audio jack then so be it - better I/O is far more important.
That was a nice surprise actually. I really really love your thorough reviews. Can't wait for more of your reviews.
The song of you intro is so satisfying, i keep playing it over and over again
This looks quite good in comparison to its predecessor! It seems that technological progress is severely slowing down on many fronts, so it's nice to see the massive improvements without a massive increase in size, power draw, and price.
Did he mention price?
Ahh yes just watched again lol
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Wow - I am very interested, particularly price and horsepower.
Can't wait for these to cost 3x its original price and never be in stock.
Excellent video as ever. Answers all the questions I would have asked given enough time!
Nice review! Just asking: the analog audio jack has removed., is there still audio via hdmi on RSP5? Other audio solutions working on RSP5?