Love talking hands. You need to bring it back. As for the sub second complication. From a watchmaking point of view, it's the centre seconds which is the complication. Cheers!
Great video guys. You really helped me decide on pulling the trigger on a Panerai Luminor 1950 PAM 359. You mentioned the deLuca strap at one point. I bought one recently and returned it - the quality did not match the price. You mentioned in the video that you found a different strap supplier whom you like better Who would that be? Cheers!
hey guys. love your show. to answer your question, i'm pretty sure the cali dial only comes in radiomir cases. i have a pam 24 and i love it. great review of the luminor. i agree with most of your points apart from the discomfort. i find my pam sub extremely comfy. but im not feeling the ETA movement either. but hey, i heard they're making a base inhouse to replace the ETAs. hope to see more videos from you guys. thanks!
Fool and Six, love the videos and glad you are starting to produce a few more again. Out of interest, what size are your wrists? It would be useful to get a bit more science for when your'e doing the wrist-shots! Keep up the good work..
I have owned just about every major Rolex that has come out in the last 10 years, (many flavors of Sub, GMT, DSSD, DJ2, Daytona, Day-Date-2, and Sky) and have sold all of them but my Sky-Dweller once I got hooked on Panerai. I was seriously bored out of my mind with Rolex and couldn't find another brand that I liked that wasn't a copycat of everything else. Plus the small sizes that Rolex insists on never changing... with the 40mm Day-Date being the last straw for me. Then I discovered Panerai and dumped everything else. To me, my PAM312 and PAM507 are the most comfortable watches I've ever owned. The Sky-Dweller is the most comfortable and balanced Rolex I've ever owned with a close tie with the YM2. But the PAMs just feel at home on the wrist despite their size and don't scream for attention. The added beauty of PAMs is the customization. You can literally make the watch anything you want to match anything you wear. And with the Bronzo, it's never the same watch each week as it forms a patina. Panerai for life!
Most Panerai movements have moved in-house and are not ETA anymore. You can stick with you dainty 40mm ancient sub, but real men wear 44mm - 47mm. See Sly Stallone for details.
They have an Egiziano that's 60mm but that's just one watch. They wear 44 - 47's most of the time. I have since added the PAM 289 to my collection. Best movement I've ever owned. 8 Days power reserve, simply better than any automatic I've ever owned, maybe with the exception of the Skydweller... maybe. It's very accurate and well built. The rose gold looks better than Rolex rose, simply stunning.
ViperGuy Dodge I'm a newbie to Panerai and have the 005 but absolutely love it. I can't tell you how many compliments I get on it. Lol the egiziano is massive. I live in LA and see Arnold out and about almost every weekend when he has lunch at cafe Roma in Beverly Hills. He is always wearing the egizianio, lol you can almost read the time from across the street, but it actually looks really good on him. He and sly are prob the only guys that can really pull it off.
Love the review! Got the watch, you guys pretty much sealed the deal :) I would like to purchase the exactly same strap from Daluca, please help me out with the link or the name/serial number. Again great review!!
Pams are really comfortable to wear if you know how to wear a watch properly, the crown guard is not uncomfortable at all. It is a simple watch but unfortunately not for everyone, IMO it does not share other popular brands marketing strategy. It is not intended for the masses. Picture it like a pair of glasses looking for the right matching face.
Anyone saying Panerai is crap is simply cant afford one. I do own 2 myself. I love the fact that whenever I have one on my wrist very few people know what it is as oppose to my Rolex Sub C... I now officially wear my Panerai as the work/tool watch.
I own a 2013 PAM00000, I love the simplicity of the dial with no complications. It's not a sandwich dial, but it's beautiful! I find the watch is comfortable on my left wrist, even with the protruding crown protector. I do agree with you however on the fact that this watch is not and cannot be a true dress watch due to its DNA.
Hey Guys, great talk. In my collection I have included a Panerai 359 Lum. I often flip back and forth depending on how I dress but there is something about this piece which makes a statement much like a superhero.. Any way, this watch was meant to be worn more towards the forearm not the wrist, this is why the watch bothers you. Take a look how all action hero's wear them i.e. Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dwayne Johnson etc.
Liked the video review, raises some interesting points, I suppose Panerai could be considered the marmite of watches, personally I love my luminor base titanio, purchased at the original Panerai Orologerie in Firenze. The experience of buying and owning an authentic Panerai completely outweighs any argument about money saved by buying a fake, in my opinion. This is a watch I wear for myself, nobody else and it will go with me to my grave. I own other watches but none so far have the charisma of my Panny.
Mr. Rolex man, please shut it with your posh comments. You obviously dont like the watch which is very apparent due to the fact that you wear a rolex. Didnt have anything good to say.
Yes, but there's nothing wrong with that. Watch afficionados are allowed to like and to wear quartz pieces, as long as they know the difference and clearly S-6 is one of them, otherwise they would be talking about advantages of the Eco-Drive, no?
I don't know where he got his, but search in google for 2D-straps, they might have something similar to what you are seaching for. Lots of vintage choice.
The lilting cadence of the Rolex wearer is just as irritating as the lilting cadence of every male Starbucks barista on the planet. Couldn't get through two minutes much less twenty. Superficial posh talk.
I liked Panerai a lot until their "318 movement scandal" That presented them in a light of a company trying to rip you off, and i lost my love for them, BUT i would still most likely buy one if I had extra cash!!!
First, when you say "tool watch" do you mean every-day / functional watch, or do you mean a watch worn by a guy who's a "tool"? Hopefully these aren't synonymous. But what I're really like to know is whether the Fool actually Jony Ive. We all know that Apple has a fascination with watches. Could you review that I(k)pod Hemipode I've seen you wearing?
You can buy an extremely nice replica for $200 which 2% of the real price, so for 2% of the real deal you get 98% of the real deal. I am businessman, so in my world, ONE HELL OF A DEAL!
Just spend $300 more and get a 1:1 one, it'll be almost impossible to tell the difference. The biggest give away on the $200 one is that no AR coating is applied on the class.
If the brand is good enough for Stallone, it's good enough for me, lol. In all seriousness though the 1950 Regatta Rattrapante is quite astonishing to me.
I don't own either so I don't have a horse in the race, but that Panerai is about a million times nicer looking than the Rolex on the guy on the right's wrist. That model wouldn't be my first choice, but still...
I wish you wouldn’t say the crown guard is just a gimmick, it’s not it is a tool so that even in a wet suit the navy divers didn’t have to fiddle wit a screw down crown because the lever seals the crown for waterproofing , do your research
If a pam on 6497 is retailing for $10, $8 goes into its much hyped up marketing. Ironically, these two faceless tongue - wagging men were not wearing Paneria.
i know panerais have a big following but for the price they are i would want an inhouse movement. for the same price or even cheaper id go for the zenith el primo watches dont get me wrong i love the look of panerais but they are very overpriced
This is the only watch where I would recommend a high quality homage (not replica!!) as this is just such a stupidly over priced watch with a $250 movement. There is nothing Italian about this watch anymore. Honestly, save yourself a fortune, buy one of the high quality homages. In my experience there is next to no difference in quality between a high quality homage and the real thing.
Hmm.. I see your point. However, Its not about how much the watch costs to make? You'll find 99% of brands regardless of the product, have substantially! lower costs associated to their product.. so what are you paying for ? - You're paying for Brand, for the history, the style, legitimacy.. Yes you can buy great replicas... but at what cost? You're basically "a walking lie"?... Itd be like driving a fake ferrari... if you desperately want people to think you have money and thats what makes you happy then go for it... but as for someone like myself and real watch lovers out there, its really not about the money, its about what that brand is and everything it stands for... Just my 2cents haha..
Actually, a good USD500 replica would do a better job in this regard. It feels and works exactly like the gen one and more importantly, you can brilliantly take the piss out of those who paid (literally) 15 times for it.
Sub mariner Man, your comment makes no sense lol.... and with a youtube name like Sub mariner.. I would think you would at least have some sort of appreciation for the real thing.. but Oh well. Also - You can't take the piss out of anyone who has paid full retail (for something that will be better quality, and Oh not to mention, its genuine!) - The reason is because, for the people who can afford it - Its not expensive? .. You seem to forget That 10,000 for you, may be very expensive, but for someone with a lot of $$.. 10 grand is like 100 bucks ... so you're not really taking the piss out of someone who can afford to buy something of genuine quality and it financially does not impact them in any way shape or form? - the joke is on people who buy replica, and try and pretend they have $$$... That, my friend.. is far more amusing....
Dude, it makes no sense to say it makes no sense simply because u do not share the view. You r not right simply because u don't like what I think. And judged by your razor sharp argument, I feel you don't get the point. But that is ok. Cheers.
I wouldn't consider a counterfeit Reverso for even a moment, such is the respect I have for it, but if I were into Panerai - which I am not - I would hesitate paying so much for one, even used.
I don't know what to think when you're wearing a Rolex and talking about people being "Tools" and dodgy images... That's just my personal opinion thought, people wearing Rolex and Hublot's look like such tools.
Ah, excellent. The granular textured dials are brilliant. It is one of my favorite features of the surpremely sophisticated dial of my beloved Girard-Perregaux Laureato. Have you found that you receive the attention of morons when wearing this watch? The type of idiotic attention that certain watches can is the reason that I no longer wear Rolex, quite sadly. Needs to look beaten? Give it to Prodigal Wife.
Fantastic watch, very simple, solid, and nice.But is not Italian anymore, Swiss Made bay Swiss guys in Switzerland with Swiss parts.Eta movement is like AK47, durable, cheap to fix, solid, an will last a lifetime.The only problem is ,that is cheap, but Rolex movement is cheaply made as well,
Panerai are great looking watches but every one who I came who wear that watch were Ass Holes types...I am not kidding !!!This Brand attracts them ...that s why I will not go for it for sure.....Love that watch itself ...what a shame....
fari ben I've only seen a hand full of them in the wild to be honest. I own one, and my friend does as well. I don't think I've met an asshole wearing one.
Hardly see them in the wild as well. the only time I see a fair amount of them is when I am out in Beverly Hills. a lot of people walking around BH seem to have them.
Great discussion guys. Thank you for sharing.
Love talking hands. You need to bring it back.
As for the sub second complication. From a watchmaking point of view, it's the centre seconds which is the complication. Cheers!
Great video guys. You really helped me decide on pulling the trigger on a Panerai Luminor 1950 PAM 359. You mentioned the deLuca strap at one point. I bought one recently and returned it - the quality did not match the price. You mentioned in the video that you found a different strap supplier whom you like better Who would that be? Cheers!
Zenith are absolutely brilliant and I very much agree with the points you've raised :-)
Love the review guys, keep em coming
Love the concept behind these videos!
Peace.
Bring this channel back!!!
Which model of Daluca strap is this one?
It looks quite thick.
Excellent review tks.
Great vid guys. very informative and thought provoking. Pams are not my cup of tea, but very entertaining chat. Lots more vids to come I hope
Which color did you specifically purchase from DaLuca? It looks fantastic!
Great review guys! Fantastic channel.
Come on guys, bring back the Talking Hands, we haven't heard from you awhile now!
What kind of time piece is Straight Six wearing in this video? Very nice.
Versatile versus changeable is a great insight.
hey guys. love your show. to answer your question, i'm pretty sure the cali dial only comes in radiomir cases. i have a pam 24 and i love it. great review of the luminor. i agree with most of your points apart from the discomfort. i find my pam sub extremely comfy. but im not feeling the ETA movement either. but hey, i heard they're making a base inhouse to replace the ETAs. hope to see more videos from you guys. thanks!
Brilliant review.
Awesome video guys, thank you. Hopefully get one of these PAM 111's next year.......if i can find one that is! :-)
Fool and Six, love the videos and glad you are starting to produce a few more again. Out of interest, what size are your wrists? It would be useful to get a bit more science for when your'e doing the wrist-shots! Keep up the good work..
You guys are great! This video convinced to get a 111 :)
I have owned just about every major Rolex that has come out in the last 10 years, (many flavors of Sub, GMT, DSSD, DJ2, Daytona, Day-Date-2, and Sky) and have sold all of them but my Sky-Dweller once I got hooked on Panerai. I was seriously bored out of my mind with Rolex and couldn't find another brand that I liked that wasn't a copycat of everything else. Plus the small sizes that Rolex insists on never changing... with the 40mm Day-Date being the last straw for me. Then I discovered Panerai and dumped everything else. To me, my PAM312 and PAM507 are the most comfortable watches I've ever owned. The Sky-Dweller is the most comfortable and balanced Rolex I've ever owned with a close tie with the YM2. But the PAMs just feel at home on the wrist despite their size and don't scream for attention. The added beauty of PAMs is the customization. You can literally make the watch anything you want to match anything you wear. And with the Bronzo, it's never the same watch each week as it forms a patina. Panerai for life!
+ViperGuy Dodge you have a 150 dollar pocket watch movement in a 5 k watch. I stick with my rolex submariner/Explorer II.
Most Panerai movements have moved in-house and are not ETA anymore. You can stick with you dainty 40mm ancient sub, but real men wear 44mm - 47mm. See Sly Stallone for details.
don't Sly and Arnold wear the 60mm panerai?
They have an Egiziano that's 60mm but that's just one watch. They wear 44 - 47's most of the time.
I have since added the PAM 289 to my collection. Best movement I've ever owned. 8 Days power reserve, simply better than any automatic I've ever owned, maybe with the exception of the Skydweller... maybe. It's very accurate and well built. The rose gold looks better than Rolex rose, simply stunning.
ViperGuy Dodge I'm a newbie to Panerai and have the 005 but absolutely love it. I can't tell you how many compliments I get on it. Lol the egiziano is massive. I live in LA and see Arnold out and about almost every weekend when he has lunch at cafe Roma in Beverly Hills. He is always wearing the egizianio, lol you can almost read the time from across the street, but it actually looks really good on him. He and sly are prob the only guys that can really pull it off.
Love your videos
I love the strap you have it. Where did you buy it? You have a link to a website?
great review, keep it up guys
Anyone know where to get this vintage leather strap or similar? Looks so great on the pam!
www.dalucastraps.com/ Daniel makes some amazing watch straps.
Thank you for this video!
I wish you guys would show all the watches in your collection at one time
Love the review! Got the watch, you guys pretty much sealed the deal :) I would like to purchase the exactly same strap from Daluca, please help me out with the link or the name/serial number. Again great review!!
what is the name of the watch of the guy on the right side with metall bracelett?
Absolutely gorgeous watch. I really don't get the hate this brand receives. I for one think Panerai is a wonderful brand.
Pams are really comfortable to wear if you know how to wear a watch properly, the crown guard is not uncomfortable at all. It is a simple watch but unfortunately not for everyone, IMO it does not share other popular brands marketing strategy. It is not intended for the masses. Picture it like a pair of glasses looking for the right matching face.
yup same here, lovin it!
I LOVE that strap. You say that you've found better strap suppliers than Deluca... could you point us towards some of your top picks?
Anyone saying Panerai is crap is simply cant afford one. I do own 2 myself. I love the fact that whenever I have one on my wrist very few people know what it is as oppose to my Rolex Sub C... I now officially wear my Panerai as the work/tool watch.
i cannot get my eyes off the oyster quartz worn by straight six. what is his wrist size?
Imthiaz Jamal it isn't an oyster quartz, it is a 1530
I own a 2013 PAM00000, I love the simplicity of the dial with no complications. It's not a sandwich dial, but it's beautiful! I find the watch is comfortable on my left wrist, even with the protruding crown protector. I do agree with you however on the fact that this watch is not and cannot be a true dress watch due to its DNA.
Hey Guys, great talk. In my collection I have included a Panerai 359 Lum. I often flip back and forth depending on how I dress but there is something about this piece which makes a statement much like a superhero.. Any way, this watch was meant to be worn more towards the forearm not the wrist, this is why the watch bothers you. Take a look how all action hero's wear them i.e. Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dwayne Johnson etc.
Why did you test the watch on your wrist backwards . Then mention the crown is not comfortable .
Liked the video review, raises some interesting points, I suppose Panerai could be considered the marmite of watches, personally I love my luminor base titanio, purchased at the original Panerai Orologerie in Firenze. The experience of buying and owning an authentic Panerai completely outweighs any argument about money saved by buying a fake, in my opinion. This is a watch I wear for myself, nobody else and it will go with me to my grave. I own other watches but none so far have the charisma of my Panny.
The "bad" made no sense to me. The easy legibility is apart of the watch's statement.
That guy on the right, that watch with the cream/champaign dial. What watch brand and model is he wearing. Anyone??
+AjaxForever It's a Rolex Oysterquartz Datejust.
+AjaxForever Wrong answer from Mattia T - this is a Rolex 1530 (very very very very rare)
1530 rolex extremely rare its achingly beautiful
Mr. Rolex man, please shut it with your posh comments. You obviously dont like the watch which is very apparent due to the fact that you wear a rolex. Didnt have anything good to say.
scotch whisky is it good ?
The Singleton is quite good and at a fair price point as well. Cheers from Canada :)
Is that a OysterQuartz straight six is wearing?
Yes, but there's nothing wrong with that. Watch afficionados are allowed to like and to wear quartz pieces, as long as they know the difference and clearly S-6 is one of them, otherwise they would be talking about advantages of the Eco-Drive, no?
No, it's the ref. 1530.
Tudor Bertea
No.
Nice! Anyone know the name of the jazzy intro music?
The Panerai is nice, but I have to ask. Is that a Rolex Oysterquartz on the right?
I don't know where he got his, but search in google for 2D-straps, they might have something similar to what you are seaching for. Lots of vintage choice.
The lilting cadence of the Rolex wearer is just as irritating as the lilting cadence of every male Starbucks barista on the planet. Couldn't get through two minutes much less twenty. Superficial posh talk.
I liked Panerai a lot until their "318 movement scandal"
That presented them in a light of a company trying to rip you off, and i lost my love for them,
BUT i would still most likely buy one if I had extra cash!!!
First, when you say "tool watch" do you mean every-day / functional watch, or do you mean a watch worn by a guy who's a "tool"? Hopefully these aren't synonymous.
But what I're really like to know is whether the Fool actually Jony Ive. We all know that Apple has a fascination with watches. Could you review that I(k)pod Hemipode I've seen you wearing?
If you wear it on your right wrist, get a left handed version with the crown on the other side.
Thank you!
I was more drawn to the Datejust and Daytona being worn on the wrist :)
You can buy an extremely nice replica for $200 which 2% of the real price, so for 2% of the real deal you get 98% of the real deal. I am businessman, so in my world, ONE HELL OF A DEAL!
Just spend $300 more and get a 1:1 one, it'll be almost impossible to tell the difference. The biggest give away on the $200 one is that no AR coating is applied on the class.
If the brand is good enough for Stallone, it's good enough for me, lol. In all seriousness though the 1950 Regatta Rattrapante is quite astonishing to me.
Intemporal Design, iconic , this is a casual - functional watch not a dressing watch !...
I don't own either so I don't have a horse in the race, but that Panerai is about a million times nicer looking than the Rolex on the guy on the right's wrist. That model wouldn't be my first choice, but still...
"Where do you summer?"
there are 40mm versions
I wish you wouldn’t say the crown guard is just a gimmick, it’s not it is a tool so that even in a wet suit the navy divers didn’t have to fiddle wit a screw down crown because the lever seals the crown for waterproofing , do your research
oH man i love this swatch its fsos goood ypo!
Do you really need help figuring what time it is... Hahahaa Very true!
This Panerai smokes the Rolex 👍👍
If a pam on 6497 is retailing for $10, $8 goes into its much hyped up marketing. Ironically, these two faceless tongue - wagging men were not wearing Paneria.
lol "bulked up dumb action heroes". @ 10:27
Where is the guy on the right from? Very peculiar accent.
Fun video though!
i'm in love with panerai. fck rolex
dude your talking to the wrong guy in front of you she (the one who wear rolex) is sooo annoyingly unaware of Panerai watches duuuaahh!
i know panerais have a big following but for the price they are i would want an inhouse
movement. for the same price or even cheaper id go for the zenith el primo watches
dont get me wrong i love the look of panerais but they are very overpriced
This is the only watch where I would recommend a high quality homage (not replica!!) as this is just such a stupidly over priced watch with a $250 movement.
There is nothing Italian about this watch anymore. Honestly, save yourself a fortune, buy one of the high quality homages. In my experience there is next to no difference in quality between a high quality homage and the real thing.
Hmm.. I see your point. However, Its not about how much the watch costs to make? You'll find 99% of brands regardless of the product, have substantially! lower costs associated to their product.. so what are you paying for ? - You're paying for Brand, for the history, the style, legitimacy.. Yes you can buy great replicas... but at what cost? You're basically "a walking lie"?... Itd be like driving a fake ferrari... if you desperately want people to think you have money and thats what makes you happy then go for it... but as for someone like myself and real watch lovers out there, its really not about the money, its about what that brand is and everything it stands for... Just my 2cents haha..
Actually, a good USD500 replica would do a better job in this regard. It feels and works exactly like the gen one and more importantly, you can brilliantly take the piss out of those who paid (literally) 15 times for it.
Sub mariner Man, your comment makes no sense lol.... and with a youtube name like Sub mariner.. I would think you would at least have some sort of appreciation for the real thing.. but Oh well. Also - You can't take the piss out of anyone who has paid full retail (for something that will be better quality, and Oh not to mention, its genuine!) - The reason is because, for the people who can afford it - Its not expensive? .. You seem to forget That 10,000 for you, may be very expensive, but for someone with a lot of $$.. 10 grand is like 100 bucks ... so you're not really taking the piss out of someone who can afford to buy something of genuine quality and it financially does not impact them in any way shape or form? - the joke is on people who buy replica, and try and pretend they have $$$... That, my friend.. is far more amusing....
Dude, it makes no sense to say it makes no sense simply because u do not share the view. You r not right simply because u don't like what I think. And judged by your razor sharp argument, I feel you don't get the point. But that is ok. Cheers.
I wouldn't consider a counterfeit Reverso for even a moment, such is the respect I have for it, but if I were into Panerai - which I am not - I would hesitate paying so much for one, even used.
why does straight-six always say bloody and chap its clear he is American and his friend is the Brit
ease up on the scotch guys im a bottle of jack guy so i dont blame you!
To be honest I agree on the Watch Snob on his take of Panerai , sorry guys
Nice Rolex on right :-)
Wish I had a Pan! But like my Sub.
I don't know what to think when you're wearing a Rolex and talking about people being "Tools" and dodgy images... That's just my personal opinion thought, people wearing Rolex and Hublot's look like such tools.
Ah, excellent. The granular textured dials are brilliant. It is one of my favorite features of the surpremely sophisticated dial of my beloved Girard-Perregaux Laureato.
Have you found that you receive the attention of morons when wearing this watch? The type of idiotic attention that certain watches can is the reason that I no longer wear Rolex, quite sadly.
Needs to look beaten? Give it to Prodigal Wife.
Fantastic watch, very simple, solid, and nice.But is not Italian anymore, Swiss Made bay Swiss guys in Switzerland with Swiss parts.Eta movement is like AK47, durable, cheap to fix, solid, an will last a lifetime.The only problem is ,that is cheap, but Rolex movement is cheaply made as well,
could you all get over yourselves. its a fucking watch.
its a watch review/history of panerai segment for those who are into watches. what did you expect?
McDonalds !
Bapaw imu
The guy on the right wares £10 watch :)
+lulek marchewaski What brand and model is that?
I don't know ;)
+lulek marchewaski it's a Rolex Oysterquartz Datejust. :)
and cheap scotch ;)
Panerai are great looking watches but every one who I came who wear that watch were Ass Holes types...I am not kidding !!!This Brand attracts them ...that s why I will not go for it for sure.....Love that watch itself ...what a shame....
fari ben I've only seen a hand full of them in the wild to be honest. I own one, and my friend does as well. I don't think I've met an asshole wearing one.
Hardly see them in the wild as well. the only time I see a fair amount of them is when I am out in Beverly Hills. a lot of people walking around BH seem to have them.
Panerai is poop