Thanks Joe. Would be keen to get a similar video on playing the mainsheet and explaining flattening the sail. I get it but I still find it counterintuitive that we can depower by letting out the mainsheet and spilling wind but also depower by pulling on the mainsheet and flattening the sail!
@Feeds Ravens wow, thank you. That is such a thought out and detailed answer. I'll read it through a number of times. I hadn't ever really considered the effect of drag in the way you explain it. I agree that it has to become instinctive, there's no way you can think through all that while flying along in and out of gusts, but like you, it really helps me to be able to understand all that beforehand to make sense of what I'm doing. Thanks again for taking time to give such a detailed response.
@@JoyriderTV @Feeds Ravens wow, thank you. That is such a thought out and detailed answer. I'll read it through a number of times. I hadn't ever really considered the effect of drag in the way you explain it. I agree that it has to become instinctive, there's no way you can think through all that while flying along in and out of gusts, but like you, it really helps me to be able to understand all that beforehand to make sense of what I'm doing. Thanks again for taking time to give such a detailed response.
Great video Joseph 👍 with regards to the explanation from Feeds Raven, the best way to spill wind off a H16 sail is to travel out rather than release the main sheet. Releasing the main sheet with reduce tension on the leech & the twist at the top of the sail which will spill the wind but not as quickly as keeping the leech tight & traveling out. You will see top teams crew work the traveller up wind more than releasing the jib. I’ve found this makes the boat sail much smoother upwind rather than the “up down” effect of releasing the main sheet & then pulling back on. You will also notice that traveling the main out will be less than releasing the main sheet. Hope this makes sense 👍
Joe, I use the traveler in a slight different way to depower the main while landing with wind from behind. If I'm sailing abeam or at brodreach and I need to stall the sail to slow down approaching the beach, I put the traveler at the center while hauling in the main sheet and easing the jib sheet. That's the only way to slow down my HC16 if I land with beam or broad reach sailing, easing the main will anyway let it work speeding up the cat, I think that stalling the main as I described is better and everybody in my beachmarina land like that with cats.
@@JoyriderTV well we land directly only when we have some surf, normally we luff head to wind a few meters off the beach to stop the cat and not scratching the hulls or helms on the sand. Keep in mind anyway that the normal thermal summer breeze in this part of central western Italy is around 12 to 15 kt and due to the shallow water and open sea coast, stronger winds bring rough and short surf that is not safe to sail on... especially with a HC 😉
Jo, your videos are amazing ...! So helpful. So easy to understand. This video is great to show and understand the different positions of the traveller. But do you have a video that shows how to handle all the things on the water, single-handed? There are plenty of lines when sailing single-handed, but unfortunately not plenty of hands. Usually only two LOL It would be great to show how to handle all the lines ... which hand, which line etc.?
@@JoyriderTV I've watched all your videos ... or most of them ;-) ... I know you published many solo onboard videos. But those videos show how to set traveller, how to set jib, how to whatever ... But I think I haven't seen a video that shows the handling of the lines only ...
When I was visiting a sailing course for a monohull sailboat, I was told to adjust the main sheet traveler so that the boom is in the middle of the ship for sailing between beam reach and close haul. In other scenarios they taught me to keep it in the middle. If I am correct you said it otherwise in the video so i was wandering if the theory is different on a catamaran or is this just different style of sailing.
Thank you Joe. Very informative and interesting, as usual 👍 One question, though: I didn't get if/where you covered the traveller settings when sailing with the spinnaker up. Specifically, if I am sailing (say, a F18) on a broad reach, chute up, in a 12-14 knots wind situation, ore more. I assume that the mainsheet will be sheeted in hard, to reduce drag and to support the mast. But what about the *traveller* , and what are my options to (de)power the mainsail without putting the stability of the mast at risk? Thank you in advance Dan
In that kind of wind the traveller would be central and then the mainsheet tight in the gusts and a little looser in the lulls. When overpowered with the spi up, don't touch the traveller or mainsheet. Just use the steering to deal with the gusts, easing a little on the kite as you bear off.
I think no need to switch the old jib system unless you're racing. You can just change the settings for point of sail and have it all the way out if it's windy.
Joe, thank you for your tutorial. Just a question: do you also move the traveller upwind, when beating against the wind? I mean, in light winds when sailing aganist the wind, can be the traveller be moved upwind?
I have had good success moving the traveler to windward up to 1/5 - 1/4 of the way. I had to release traveler and hold the car position with mainsheet (hard work in medium air and near impossible in a blow). Also had to move jib clew inboard to get it to work properly (narrow the slot) to avoid over sheeting and stalling mainsail, Used lazy/windward jib sheet as inhauler. I was seeing excellent speeds close hauled in 5-8 TWS @ 45 +/- TWA.
What is the jib traveller length of the rope? And a single piece of rope or a separate rope for port and starboard sides? I did not find any information on jib traveller rope assembly in your channel.
Hello! By any chance can you advise where can i find hobie 16 spare parts with international delivery (to Russia)? I am looking in particular for a main traveller with a car (incl used ones)
@@JoyriderTV nah, no dealers in Russia :( I’ve found and bought a traveller with a new car from Harken . Same hole distance but looks more reliable: H-shaped, rollers. No longer a monotype design, of course 🤷♂️
Hi Joe, when under spinnaker on a Tiger, I understand the mainsheet acts as the backstay and has to remain under full tension, however does the traveller car have to remain centred?
If it's windy then the traveller should be in the centre due to the apparent wind. If the boat slows down you can ease the traveller a little to prevent oversheeting but if you've been double trapeze upwind then the centre is the spot downwind.
Thanks for explanations that I fully agree with from my experience. That said, I'm not used to HC16 main sail, more used to mylar sails, where we may depower by twisting the upper part of sail with centered traveller, like one does on a windsurf. How do you see that ?
More down hall certainly opens the leach of the sale up like on a windsurfer, it also serves to flatten the sale moving the centre of effort down and forwards. Because the 16 doesn’t have a pre-bent mast, we use the traveller more for losing power.
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Joe, i have been sailing hobie 16 for years. I still watch your basic video and always learn something. You do an excellent job. Thanks
Thanks very much, I'm still learning as I go too.
Joe I have just got myself a maricat 4.5, never sailed before. I would be lost without your videos. You are a great teacher 👍
Thanks Terry, and congratulations.
I'm glad that the videos are helping.
Great tutorial as always, can’t wait to get sailing again in three weeks. Thanks a lot!
You got me laughing ! Your travellers move so smoothly, just another reason for a upgrade boat. Loving the shorts. Thank you Joe!
So glad! 🤩
Very helpful. Its like Joe is my personal trainer.
Thanks! I'm glad the videos are helpful
I said to myself, Joe forget to do a video about the Catamaran traveller. I was wrong :-) Bravo sir....
Thanks!!
Thank you! I just bought a Hobie 16 and this is exactly what I needed.
Glad I could help!
Excellent explanation thank you for another great video joe.
Thanks Joe. Would be keen to get a similar video on playing the mainsheet and explaining flattening the sail. I get it but I still find it counterintuitive that we can depower by letting out the mainsheet and spilling wind but also depower by pulling on the mainsheet and flattening the sail!
Will do - that's going to be one of the next in this series. For now you can have Stefan's explanation below:
@Feeds Ravens wow, thank you. That is such a thought out and detailed answer. I'll read it through a number of times. I hadn't ever really considered the effect of drag in the way you explain it.
I agree that it has to become instinctive, there's no way you can think through all that while flying along in and out of gusts, but like you, it really helps me to be able to understand all that beforehand to make sense of what I'm doing.
Thanks again for taking time to give such a detailed response.
@@JoyriderTV @Feeds Ravens wow, thank you. That is such a thought out and detailed answer. I'll read it through a number of times. I hadn't ever really considered the effect of drag in the way you explain it.
I agree that it has to become instinctive, there's no way you can think through all that while flying along in and out of gusts, but like you, it really helps me to be able to understand all that beforehand to make sense of what I'm doing.
Thanks again for taking time to give such a detailed response.
Great video Joseph 👍 with regards to the explanation from Feeds Raven, the best way to spill wind off a H16 sail is to travel out rather than release the main sheet. Releasing the main sheet with reduce tension on the leech & the twist at the top of the sail which will spill the wind but not as quickly as keeping the leech tight & traveling out. You will see top teams crew work the traveller up wind more than releasing the jib. I’ve found this makes the boat sail much smoother upwind rather than the “up down” effect of releasing the main sheet & then pulling back on. You will also notice that traveling the main out will be less than releasing the main sheet. Hope this makes sense 👍
Thanks for a very clear and concise explanation. Btw. some dinghies do have traveller, for example OK dinghy.
You're welcome!
Great advice Joe, can you do one of these on how to take advantage of apparent wind 👊
Great suggestion! Thanks
Just got my first cat a couple days ago these videos are great and are the reason I got one I’m 14 on my dads account thanks, Hamish
What cat did you get?
Nice one Hamish, great choice to get into cat sailing. It'll be with you for a very long time!
Joe, I use the traveler in a slight different way to depower the main while landing with wind from behind.
If I'm sailing abeam or at brodreach and I need to stall the sail to slow down approaching the beach, I put the traveler at the center while hauling in the main sheet and easing the jib sheet.
That's the only way to slow down my HC16 if I land with beam or broad reach sailing, easing the main will anyway let it work speeding up the cat, I think that stalling the main as I described is better and everybody in my beachmarina land like that with cats.
Nice, good skills there. It must be a bit tricky once you've hit the beach and you want to let it out if it's windy though.
@@JoyriderTV well we land directly only when we have some surf, normally we luff head to wind a few meters off the beach to stop the cat and not scratching the hulls or helms on the sand.
Keep in mind anyway that the normal thermal summer breeze in this part of central western Italy is around 12 to 15 kt and due to the shallow water and open sea coast, stronger winds bring rough and short surf that is not safe to sail on... especially with a HC 😉
Jo, your videos are amazing ...! So helpful. So easy to understand.
This video is great to show and understand the different positions of the traveller.
But do you have a video that shows how to handle all the things on the water, single-handed?
There are plenty of lines when sailing single-handed, but unfortunately not plenty of hands. Usually only two LOL
It would be great to show how to handle all the lines ... which hand, which line etc.?
Any of my solo onboard videos will show how i get on with it but not a specific video.
I'll get onto making a specific one in the next days.
Thanks
@@JoyriderTV I've watched all your videos ... or most of them ;-) ... I know you published many solo onboard videos.
But those videos show how to set traveller, how to set jib, how to whatever ...
But I think I haven't seen a video that shows the handling of the lines only ...
Great job, thanks!
Thanks!
Very helpful, cheers!
You're welcome!
When I was visiting a sailing course for a monohull sailboat, I was told to adjust the main sheet traveler so that the boom is in the middle of the ship for sailing between beam reach and close haul. In other scenarios they taught me to keep it in the middle. If I am correct you said it otherwise in the video so i was wandering if the theory is different on a catamaran or is this just different style of sailing.
Because there is no kicker/vang on a catamaran the way that we control the sail is different.
Thank you Joe. Very informative and interesting, as usual 👍
One question, though: I didn't get if/where you covered the traveller settings when sailing with the spinnaker up.
Specifically, if I am sailing (say, a F18) on a broad reach, chute up, in a 12-14 knots wind situation, ore more.
I assume that the mainsheet will be sheeted in hard, to reduce drag and to support the mast.
But what about the *traveller* , and what are my options to (de)power the mainsail without putting the stability of the mast at risk?
Thank you in advance
Dan
In that kind of wind the traveller would be central and then the mainsheet tight in the gusts and a little looser in the lulls.
When overpowered with the spi up, don't touch the traveller or mainsheet. Just use the steering to deal with the gusts, easing a little on the kite as you bear off.
@@JoyriderTV Thank you Joe :-)
@@JoyriderTV Thank you :-)
Awesome videos! Any tips for a jib without a traveller, as on the hobie getaway?
Just to play the jib to the telltales - tight for upwind half for the reach and loose for downwind
Yes but I have the old system. Manual jib trailer with the nob and one to one main rope.
To hard to switch?
I think no need to switch the old jib system unless you're racing. You can just change the settings for point of sail and have it all the way out if it's windy.
Joe, thank you for your tutorial. Just a question: do you also move the traveller upwind, when beating against the wind? I mean, in light winds when sailing aganist the wind, can be the traveller be moved upwind?
The main traveller will never go more than the centre.
@@JoyriderTV thank you . facebook.com/groups/113205032069113/permalink/3257459507643634/
I have had good success moving the traveler to windward up to 1/5 - 1/4 of the way. I had to release traveler and hold the car position with mainsheet (hard work in medium air and near impossible in a blow). Also had to move jib clew inboard to get it to work properly (narrow the slot) to avoid over sheeting and stalling mainsail, Used lazy/windward jib sheet as inhauler. I was seeing excellent speeds close hauled in 5-8 TWS @ 45 +/- TWA.
What is the jib traveller length of the rope? And a single piece of rope or a separate rope for port and starboard sides? I did not find any information on jib traveller rope assembly in your channel.
I measured - 3m
Hi Joe...how are you... is there a shop in Greece that sells spare parts for hobie cat 15?
Let me know what it is that you're looking for, there is a chance that we'll have one. email me totaljoyrider@icloud.com
Hello! By any chance can you advise where can i find hobie 16 spare parts with international delivery (to Russia)? I am looking in particular for a main traveller with a car (incl used ones)
I found this - www.hobie.com/dealers/?country_code=DO
@@JoyriderTV nah, no dealers in Russia :( I’ve found and bought a traveller with a new car from Harken . Same hole distance but looks more reliable: H-shaped, rollers. No longer a monotype design, of course 🤷♂️
Hi Joe, when under spinnaker on a Tiger, I understand the mainsheet acts as the backstay and has to remain under full tension, however does the traveller car have to remain centred?
If it's windy then the traveller should be in the centre due to the apparent wind. If the boat slows down you can ease the traveller a little to prevent oversheeting but if you've been double trapeze upwind then the centre is the spot downwind.
No concepts...
Please could you elaborate? I would like to improve my videos if you feel that there was something missing.
Thanks for explanations that I fully agree with from my experience.
That said, I'm not used to HC16 main sail, more used to mylar sails, where we may depower by twisting the upper part of sail with centered traveller, like one does on a windsurf. How do you see that ?
More down hall certainly opens the leach of the sale up like on a windsurfer, it also serves to flatten the sale moving the centre of effort down and forwards. Because the 16 doesn’t have a pre-bent mast, we use the traveller more for losing power.
@@JoyriderTV thanks fir explanation 👍✌