The Real Reason Behind NewJeans Parents Supporting Min Heejin 👀 HYBE vs ADOR || The Haniverse
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- One of the biggest yet unanswered questions throughout this entire feud has been 'Why do NewJeans parents support Min Hee Jin?' - well today, I'm going to tell you!
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Remember in Rapunzel when the fake mother said "I love you," but was looking at Rapunzel's hair when she said it?
Same energy.
Exactly
Literally MHJ also reminds me kind of like mommy dearest BC one she is crazy and muputile and it seem all she cares about is the herself
yes a great example one maybe children will be able to understand.
I hope the girls get this…
If anyone is on IG… please please… let them know
bro!!!!!! what a comment.......... hahahahahahah, it's true what you said.
I'm done with MHJ and NJ. Let them face the consequences together
Res je.
I'll trust HYBE's decision on what happens to NJ IF they choose to keep them I'll forgive and try to like them otherwise ill trust that Hybe has a good reason for its decision & I'll be fine without them.
They never thanked Hybe.
These kids were instructed to not thank Hybe in award acceptance speechs.
Why should they, when he’s ignored them as well so why should they acknowledge him if he doesn’t acknowledge them, some of y’all are so far up bang hi-syuk/bh/hybe a** cause of bts so ask yourself how are you any different than how new jeans is to ador/min heejin
@@lovelydiva06 why would he greet them back when they don't even thank him in the awards shows lmao
@@lovelydiva06your so up MHJ's A/r/s/e. Doesn't matter, your girlies narcissist "mother" is getting kicked out and will most likely be going to jail/prison. Evil never wins. Suck it.
Let‘s not forget that Hybe paid everything to make New Jeans what they are now
@@lovelydiva06imagine u invested millions into someone and u don’t even get a thank you and how they never think of themselves as hybe artist. u expected him to greet them ?, pls bffr
Mess created by mhj and new jeans parents but other groups are suffering more .. illit receive so much hate , lee sserafim also and bts all the articles were against them without their any fault.. at this point i have not empathy for new jeans ,theirs parents and mhj
While I understand being angry about the smear campaign, that's not NJs' responsibility - blaming them just takes away the focus from the real culprit and tow wrongs don't make a right
@@TheHaniverse Someone is paying for those new accounts on social media smearing, BTS and other HYBE Groups. Someone is paying the South Korean Media to report on those smear stories as if they are real? I can make an educated guess just who is doing all this and it ain't HYBE. Remeber this all part of Ms Min project 1945 plan, that was planned to start in April.
Thank you for your video. I really wanted someone to talk about parents. I agree mostly but there is one thing, I have to ad. She is not an evil genius, she is just a typical narcissist. Nothing special about her, sorry. Sadly I know my way around narcissists and they all behave the same. They are lying in your face, they lie whenever they open their mouth, they lie about the most mundane things and they feed you all the lies to manipulate you. They know exactly what to say to whom to make them sympathize with them, to get them on their side. And she did this with the parents and the girls for two or more years. Obviously they think she is the truth. But the thing with narcissists is, they only care about themselves. MHJ will throw NJ under the bus if she has to and without any remorse, because the other thing about narcissists: they are always right, they are always the victims, they are the center of the universe, everyone else is beneath them.
I know the parents can't be blamed but it's time they wake up or their kids will lose everything or get hurt even more than they probably already are because of MHJ. Narcissists love to make other people feel bad about themselves with backhanded compliments and insinuations. The girls are probably already believe that they are unworthy and useless and talentless and only MHJ can give their existence worth or something. I'm not kidding. ... Sorry for ranting.
No need to apologise, I totally agree with you! I used the phrase "evil genius" because I see this from a marketing standpoint, what she's doing is essentially what marketers call 'self branding'. She's created an image and unfortunately everyone is believing it - it's not at all supposed to make her sound like a good person, it's just a hard feat to pull off.
I truly believe she is rotten to the core and I couldnt agree more, she is a total narcissistic. She credits herself for everything but she seems to forget the entire company worth of staff who also contributed to NewJeans - I think she believes her own grandeur to the point of delusion 🤧
But not all narcissists go to shamans for guidance & planning.
@@alwaysthinktwice6612 That gives her mental problems a whole new level of insanity. Not only does she do it because she wants to, but because she was ""called to it" like a freaking prophet. She basically drank her own cool aid.
Désolée les parents savaient d'où venait les fonds qui alimentés leurs enfants si nous nous le savions eux aussi et ils se sont montrés aussi ingrats que leur progéniture. Ils ne sont pas lobotomsés mais cupides. Ils ont vu qu'il lit réussissait et ils ont eu peur que cela leur enlève une partie du gâteau c'est tout. Ils sont autant à blâmer que miss narcisse. Mais je ne m'inquiète pas ils partiront tous de Hybe car Les garçons et les autres n'ont pas à respirer l'air toxique des traîtres. Petite sœur de BTS, elles en ont bien joué. Honte à eux tous
how could MHJ make NJ such an empty shell... and his mom and fas just support him.
Anyway the police is investigating MHJ since yesterday…
correct
Končno.
im korean
who sayd that bull sht?
thats false news
these days HYBE distribute false news eeverywhere
Grooming her victims. She conned them all.
And the public is letting her get away with it!!! It's so infuriating 😩
@@TheHaniverse Yes, all the components you mentioned.. a cautionary tale. So sad.
And i remember in one of their early interviews were they said bts was their seniors at hybe.
Being the 'little sisters' of BTS was a very common marketing strategy that was utilized to promote them, but theyve never expressed having the sort of relationship that say TXT and BTS have, and they've got very few interactions beyond dance challenges.
And JK smiled at the end of his challenge with Les serrafim vs hybe. He looked like he wanted to get out of there, no kidding. You could see he enjoyed the dancing though
YE!!! It's great video. ❤
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed 🥹💜💙🙏🏾
Parents only needed to see & admit that they and thier kids were going to be used as shields for Min in that moment and kept silent
I'll trust HYBE's decision on what happens to NJ IF they choose to keep them I'll forgive and try to like them otherwise ill trust that Hybe has a good reason for its decision & I'll be fine without them.
Nice, fair-minded breakdown of the issues that the parents are facing. Thanks.
Thank you for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed the video :3
I guess I am cynical because I can only see 2 possibilities as to the parents’ actions: either they have been brainwashed in the same way that the members have been groomed to depend upon MHJ, or the parents are like certain child celebrity parents that ended up only caring about how much money their child brought in rather than their child’s welfare. I can’t understand, however, how the parents don’t realize that Hybe (the financial backer of the group) would want New Jeans to succeed because their success brings more money to Hybe. So if all the parents care about is money, then they should side with Hybe. Maybe they (parents and the members) are all completely brainwashed because as an outsider, it seems pretty clear. 🤷🏻♀️
Couldn't agree with your more! The fact is NJs future is far more stable if they stay in HYBE, which is why the parents have never wanted them to leave HYBE, the issue is that they don't trust HYBE to manage NJs well without MHJ's input and 'protection' since she's painted HYBE as trying to sabotage them. They essentially want to have their cake and eat it.
I have tried to make excuses for the New Jeans girls and their parents. It's true that they are young. It's true that they have and are being manipulated by MHJ. All that is true but it's also true that they remind me of entitled spoiled mean little girls who have been told that the world owes them. They don’t have any respect for other artists or elders in the company. Why should they expect the head of the company to know who they are and give them special treatment? He has many senior artists who have been in the business for years longer than them. Respect is earned not demanded. Instead of disrespecting other artists they could have taken the time to learn from them. .The sad thing is that MHJ is going to destroy the careers of these young girls if she stays in control of them. A young artist needs to try new things, explore new ideas and take risks none of that will happen under control freak Ms Min. As a parent I would have been concerned at the example MHJ is showing the girls, I would have worried about how controlling she is. I would want my child to follow her dream to be an idol but not at the expense of her losing her character and the abilities to be a caring person who can learn and grow. MHJ is a groomer in the worst sense of the word. As a parent I can’t believe they don't sense that, Having a strange woman take away my role as a parent is just one step too far. . That is what their parents have done. They let this woman steal their roles as parents.
All of this! Like just hearing her call them her kids was a huge red flag for me. Unfortunately so many parents in Korea are passive, they just care about the results their kids bring and are not involved much in the process, that why MHJ could get away with grooming them for so long.
I see all your points and believe you provided great explanation on the social pressure to raise your kids to succeed but Illit are also someone’s precious child but NJ parents are fine throwing them under the bus, to be harassed by the entire country to cover up for MHJ’s crimes and that's messed up. They're being greedy.
Absolutely! I don't say these points as an excuse for their actions, ultimately we all pay for the consequences regardless of our intentions, and I don't think anything is black and white, it could easily be a mix of everything.
But were they Source music trainees???
Yes! All members are confirmed to have joined Source Music as trainees before being picked for NJs, and MHJ has even confirmed this herself
Hybe put money to Ador do that NJ can debut. They have to ge grateful no matter what.
Last week I saw in the news "Famous drug dealer supported by Republicans." I thought for once they got caught.
When further they told who was the "Famous drug dealer" I just threw my hands to god and said "Yeah, im fucked"
All is optics and self imposed culture.... im not fkd alone.
In her most recent solo vlog, Danielle said she wanted to do a "girls trip" with the members and THEIR BOSS. So basically, the five young girls and this woman on a vacation together 😬 For that to seem normal to her says a lot
The conditioning is crazy!! I really hope the girls get psychological help after all this..
Hybe is not trying to screw New Jeans over. They make money for the company. MHJ and all her crap is the issue.
Are you sure about that? The parents said The Hybe CEO always ignored them and that they didn't support New Jean's as the others groups the amount of money for New Jeans debut comparing to Allit speaks volumes.
You all neeed to listen to what the Koreans say.
@@karentunelga7084 bro what not saying hi in an elevator once does not mean they are ignoring them, and i would say loaning 4 million dollars, their own floor on the company and all their staff and trainees is pretty generous.
@karentunelga7084 considering how crazy Newjeans parents are under the influence of MHJ. Bang probably doesn't want anything to do with them
If I were a parent, I’d believe my daughter’s talent will save her. To be honest, I am so over this sh*t. Loved the girls and I wholeheartedly believe their talents should be the star, and them being “MHJ’s girls” should not overshadow that. I don’t have emotional space anymore and I cannot dettach MHJ from the members. I hope they save themselves. I hope they realize MHJ did start their careers but she’s dragging them down now too. She may be “good” with what she does, but like anyone in the “creative world” she can be replaced. There’s no new concepts in the world. Everything is remade and repackaged time and time again. Everything is cyclical. But ill intentions and karma… ooooh that’s going to hurt big time when it comes back at you.
Honestly I agree with most of what you've said, but I do kinda disagree with that talent alone could save them. The kpop industry (like many others) is so unfair, it isn't just a matter of are the girl's talented, if (according the parents current beliefs) HYBE throws them in the dungeon and doesn't plan any activities for them, unfortunately there isn't much they can do. It's a sad reality but artists really are at the mercy of their companies.
I completely understand your fatigue with the situation tho, and I agree, being packaged as "MHJ's girls" is more of a negative now. Other huge groups like bts, bigbang and shinee, while tied to their companies were famous for their own contributions/talents, and I feel like NJs never got a chance to showcase themselves. I'm not a bunny tho, so I could just be out of the loop.
I do hope tjis situation gives them the opportunity to detatch themselves and create their own identity, but again, from the parents' perspective, that's also a huge risk if they dont trust hybe :c
@@TheHaniverse one thing that bothers me too is that if these parents were “so angry about what ‘Hybe did to them’ “ (which, is in fact, provide money, the machinery, and use the BTS privilege to be “successful”- but of course they are blind to that) aren’t they so greedy and not think about the other parents whose kids also had hopes and dreams of being idols too? What made their kids so special that only the NJ girls deserved to be the girl group of Hybe? Sadly, the brainwashing seeped well into their brains. Of course the world has bigger problems, and in this case it also still goes back to money and greed. I hope the girls save themselves. Hybe will not shelf them- they need to get their moneys worth. Especially with all the losses this narcissistic woman caused.
@@TheHaniverse The girls will need a lot of De programming'/counselling and time to heal. That will be different for each member. But all the tools are their within HYBE for their recovery. They also need to being isolated from the other artists within HYBE. It's that forced isolation that Ms Min placed upon them that has meant they are unable to see anything she she says might not be true. It's classic tactic of a manipulator insolate your victim so they can't hear or see anything other than what you are feeding your victim's mind. It's tactic of cults.
"Hybe can't shelf them" - this is an interesting debate in and of itself. Depending on what they can legally prove against MHJ, theres murmurs that she could still earn residually from her shares even after being kicked out for the next 2 years - so some are speculating HYBE my shelve them for that period so they dont have to payout MHJ. I think thats very petty and unlikely, but I also feel like the CEO of HYBE (Park Jiwon) is a super greedy, and it wouldnt be the first time a company shelved a very successful act.
Yes, they absolutely need time to heal from all of this. Its sad that HYBE basically has to keep them active to avoid public criticism when the last thing they need right now is to be thrust in the limelight while still adjusting to everything that's happening. They also need to be exposed to other artists (as I think you meant), being isolated means they get put in an echo chamber of just one opinion
I’ve been waiting for a take like this. People forget how long she’s been conditioning them. I fully believe she’s been tearing down Hybe the entire time she’s worked with them. I give the girls some grace bc of this.
Exactly this! If we can all admit she's a groomer/narcissist/manipulator, why are we victim blaming the victims?? NJs have basically been silent save the petitions, and MHJ was the one who revealed the elevator comments that got them dragged, and the parents have unfortunately refused to speak for themselves and entrusted her with everything as they had been for the last 2 years. I feel like all the hatred directed towards NJs and their family is just playing into the misdirection MHJs wants. It's also a possibility she is trying to ruin them as she knows she's on her way out, it's giving "if I can't have them, no one can."
Yes. Excellent Awareness to bring to the discussion. Something that hasn't really been thought abt.
@@TheHaniverse MHJ really is DIABOLICAL- DIABLO! 👽👹👹
All this criticism toward the parents serves to elevate MHJ in their eyes as the their 1 true protector & defender.
DIABOLICAL is truly the only word to describe her, but here are some others: Nefarious, *Specious* Malevolent. Deceptive.
I had to drag out my dictionary cuz I rarely have occasion to use the word "Specious."
i saw someone on twitter saying that mhj is painting a narrative that newjeans as group is nothing without her creative direction, and honestly i couldnt agree more.
I still remember in 2022 a lot of kpop stans (armys in particular) were saying that they find it weird how mhj is constantly pushing herself to the forefront as the "mastermind" behind newjeans. SHE CHOSE the members, SHE CHOSE the concept, SHE CHOSE the songs, literally everything was her (and hers only) decision. Almost as if other staff and new jeans members themself had no hand in the success. Which is a extremely questionable thing to do, considering that mhj is just a creative director not a producer, she in fact did not write the songs that made newjeans successful.
Can you imagine bang pd, saying something like this, that all of bts's success was because of him. Like armys would be MAAAAAD. I find it weird that bunnies dont find it questionable
Yes yes YES! I COULDNT AGREE MORE. Look at some of the biggest names in kpop history, Bang PD continously said BTS were the makers of their own fame, YG never once claimed he was responsible for BigBang's success, even Lee Soo Man never claimed his idols were nothing without him.
It's crazy that the fans can't see through her - maybe it's because NJs' contribution to their own success is more lowkey/not as obvious, but it says a lot about MHJ's mindset. I also think it's a deliberate way of her making the fans feel like they have to support her if they want the current NJs to continue
But we are adults and have more experience of life, have degrees behind us even children of our own, have no doubt come across manipulators ourselves so have learnt to pick of the signs.
Everyone's experience is different and having a degree doesnt mean being well versed in a completely different industry. I dont think victim blaming people who are manipulated by abusers is productive or fair
Very true
@@TheHaniverse Not victim blaming at all just saying it's sad that many of these taken in/manipulated, are young, immature not worldly wise, haven't had the life experiences to understand what's going on. It's sad however it's true and that's NOT victim blaming, it's simply stated truth.
If the girls and their parents want them to stay with MHJ, let them pay their dues and leave, start their own company, and see if they will get the same benefits they got while under HYBE. I don't think so.
I am a mother of a 30yr young woman. I would be open to talking to both sides. Every incident has two sides and unless you are willing to hear both sides you won't have a clear understanding of the incident. I am a retired nurse and I can say that I have worked 10+years without some doctors smiling and acknowledge me. Do I feel it is disrespectful, not at all. It was my job to understand that they may be stressed, could be distracted be having alot of thoughts on their mind. I think that the parents messed up by not speaking with Bang PD, when he offered. Hybe set them up for success by giving the best of everything. It is always a team effort. New Jeans would be treated alot worse at other entertainment agencies. I guess the girls will need to learn for themselves that "the grass is not always greener on the other side".
All the applause! I couldn't agree more and you expressed it so beautifully! I totally agree with you about the perspective issue, honestly there could be SO many reasons he didn't acknowledge them, but people always want to assume malice, forgetting that people are people. In reality we don't have any 'proof' that HYBE abused NJs beyond MHJ's words, and while I understand the parents have been gaslit for years, they should also be mature enough to know that there are multiple sides to every story.
She didn't pick them they were handed to her by hayb from source music against their objections
It’s really hard to admit that you have been conned. It’s why people find it so difficult to escape cults. I think the parents must be in turmoil. They want the best for their daughters and have been groomed to believe that that means MHJ
Ex👏🏾act👏🏾ly👏🏾! You perfectly summed it up - and while its such a shame, the cult leader is the real villian..
Groomed is the exactly right term.
You're not taking into account that Danielle and hanni we're raised in Australia. Listening to both their parents. I would say their parents are just more opinionated andnot really following Korean culture. The other three girls I agree with you on
yes i was thinking the same. their parents are more exposed to Western thinking and surely could google and check things more thoroughly. Although MHJ paid many media outlets to attack Hybe.. so it might be difficult for them to discern real news from media play
Exactly, the families in Australia don't face the crushing financial constraints or supposed public opinion pressure that form a substantial part of OP's argument. It's possible and even likely that some of these families are already wealthy, which is normal for idols these days. They're focused on making sure the paychecks keep coming, I guess? Wanting MHJ to stay under Hybe despite weeks of internecine media play and lawfare reflects an astonishing lack of awareness. It's like the parents have been living in a hermit cave for the last 6 months.
One of the mothers did a media interview where she publicly complained about Illit copying, exposing those members to even more bullying and harassment.
The parents let MHJ essentially dictate a letter of complaint to Hybe because, among other things, the chairman of Hybe's board of directors failed to greet a teenage girl in an elevator. Along with more copying complaints.
They and their daughters also submitted a petition to the court despite everything that's gone public including MHJ's own kkt remarks about planning to destroy Hybe, a plan which we now know stretches back to at least 2021.
Ador wasn't profitable until last year and even now they're barely 5% of Hybe revenue. Who exactly signs the checks these parents and their daughters are cashing? It's not MHJ. The startup money and industry support all came from Hybe, which ultimately means BTS.
That's true, I hadnt considered that, but I do also think the parents would feel a need to stay united, if they started in-fighting things would get so much messier. Exposure to foreign culture definitely does change their perspective but their peers would still all be Koreans.
But now the parents know, some MHJ actions are now in the open…so the parents can apologize to Hybe and talk to their daughters so they apologize to….and explain that they were duped by MHJ…they can turn all this mess into a success story, that is if they let Hybe take charge of NJ and don’t do trouble again and stay in their places…probably international side can understand and give them the benefit of the doubt and forgiveness….but we will see…it take humility to apologize when you were wrong.
Thats the thing, all the 'evidence' comes from HYBE. From their perspective it's all lies so there isn't anything to make them seriously doubt her yetm
And then there's pride, in Korea (and many Asian cultures) it is so hard for people to admit they were wrong even in personal matters. Now imagine admitting you messed up to the entire country 😔
@@TheHaniverse Then, if not able to acknowledge the fact that they were duped and still not willing to apologize, then be ready for the consequences that will be much worse then apology…they just have to play the victim card to save face…they should be good at this by learning from MHJ…if they do in the future, just remember that I predicted it…and I am sure not the only international people who think the same…we will see.
Po toči zvoniti je prepozno.
Unfortunately, unless the parents come to realize for themselves that they all are the victims of a narcissist, or until they do or say something that causes her to turn on them and throw them under the proverbial bus, nothing she says or does will make them leave her side. That's how narcissists work. Once they have you, only they can let you go, and when that happens, be sure that it will be your fault not theirs. Having been married to a narcissist for 20 years, I can definitly recognize the signs. I think, as a parent myself, it all boils down to who can offer the girls the best opportunities, provide them with the funding, the guidance, and everything else they need to become better at who they are and what they do. Are these girls even going to school, to help prepare them for life beyond their idol days? Nothing has been said about this, that I know of, except that mhj has said that she wants them to be with her after their contracts expire, which is a huge red flag. Does she not want the girls to have their own lives without her, or is she planning on them living under her thumb forever? This whole situation stinks, not only of manipulation, gaslighting, and conditioning, but of cult-like grooming. Somebody needs to get those girls and their parents away from her asap, and get them all deprogammed!
i wish we could find out how the parents reacted to the leaked texts that discussed getting the parents to write letters to Hybe discussing their concerns. Maybe they have changed their opinions now it's clear they were manipulated into taking this action for MHJ's own gains.
I think things like the KakaoTalk messages would make them waver, but ultimately those messages are released by HYBE and MHJ has said they're 'edited out of context', plus the parents already have a prejudice against HYBE so it'd be easier to turn a blind eye. Someone did comment that they've gotten their own legal representation now though, so hopefully, they're trying to form an opinion independent of MHJ.
Someone said MHJ is giving mother gothel vibes and DAMN that's true.
I kinda find myself disgusted when I see those kids getting involved in this. MHJ is using their innocence to boost her own image and it's nauseating. Not that these are comparable, but the n@zis used to do it to, the most inhumane of these generals whould take pictures of them having fun (in a wholesome way) with little girls, same with Kim Jong Un who revealed his little girl to the world and acted like a father figure in front of the cameras to make them sympathise. MHJ is just like that. MHJ, the millionnaire CEO made the korean public side with her because she managed to make them think that she was a brave oppressed female employee in a patriarcal world, like she was one of them (notice how simple her clothes were during her recent appearances, no fancy watches and suits like the ones she'd wear before).
BSH is no angel, but it disgusts me how she made people think that HYBE had nothing to do with New Jeans success and that she was their demiurge. Heck, even NJ themselves don't have anything to do with it, it was only HER ideas (oh, until you realize that New Jeans is actually practically plagiarized from and older less famous group). I hope that these girls don't geniuinely think what they say when they don't even mention HYBE in their success, because they wouldn't get everything offered to them on a silver plate, including their beautifully done nose jobs and Gucci modelling contacts at 16-17 years old if it weren't for HYBE. This might have been harsh but I geniuinely hate the fact that they, and their parents, got involved in this, utterly disgusting.
Edit: My grammar isn't making any sense, cut me some slack I'm feverish 😂
I agree with everything except the insults at NJs members, they are kids and I dont really understand how people expect them to have so much worldly knowledge as teens who've been groomed for 2~5 years
Reason they were tricked is simple. Min Hee Jin knows the typical thought process of Koreans. The fact they were tricked means their train of thought was as predictable as any stereotypical dummy to MHJ. This means they needed to be greedy, fearful, and gullible.
Min Heejin se bo miselno procesno pogovarja sama s seboj, ko bo pristala v ječi.
Thank you for explaining the parents from viewpoint. I’m from the US, and I immediately saw the dishonesty from MHJ. As a parent of a child in the industry, I didn’t understand the parents actions. I also have corporate background, and understood what HYBE had to do legally. Now, I understand that what MHJ did wasn’t something that many Korean expected her to be so openly dishonest. Now, I understand the situation of parents, they are probably afraid now. This may end they kids career for something they had nothing to do with. Their only option is to stick with MHJ, she is the only person they have been communicating with at Hybe. She also was a top executive in the company, so they trusted her. But now they need to step back and reevaluate everything for their kid’s. Get an attorney and study about the industry their kids are in, not just their new lifestyles.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 So SO refreshing to see an informed parent! Unfortunately this sort of passive mindset is not unique to idol's parents, its genuinely concerning how many parents in Korea so their kids as social commodities and future care givers - Korea is so advanced in some areas, but socially SO behind.
I fear anything they do now will already be too late though. Korea moves fast and the court decision about the injunction, and HYBE's decison about MHJ/NJs' future, will all be made on Friday. Anything they try now will essentially be preparing for the future (still worth doing tho!)
Thank you for watching tho, and for such a thoughtful comment! I'm glad I could provide some cultural insight 💜
@@TheHaniverse Do you think now that the police are investigating Ms Min as of today do you think this will make the parent stop and think?
I doubt it tbh, being investigated is different from being gound guilty, and also the police and judicial system are super corrupt in Korea, and have already shown leniency to big companies (Samsung is a great exam), so they could easily see it as HYBE using the system.
In my opinion, it would take A LOT to wake them up at this point.
The parents chose to block communication with Hybe when all this started. They could have listened to what Hybe had to say and make an informed decision but as revealed in the kakao messages they were a part of MHJs plan to side with her to help take down Hybe. They are thinking about money only, if not they would have thought their kids gratitude and humility, they themselves would exhibit gratitude and humility. The only complaint of abuse they can come up with is NJ is not the 1st gg of Hybe and Bang PD didn't greet them in the elevator, very absurd. They should be thankful they debuted with such privileges and not in debt and should be the first to greet Bang PD, they are his junior and employee. SK custom alone dictates the opposite of their behavior. They will have to pay the consequences of their behavior. Just hope they learn before they self destruct. 💜
Since they are trusting a narcissist, I'm thinking that she told them not to have any communication with HYBE, knowing that if they learned from HYBE what she had been doing in secret, it would confuse them enough to begin asking her questions.
I read that the parents of NJ have finally gotten separate legal representation independent of MHJ and Hybe. Hopefully, they didn't hire attorneys based upon MHJ recommendation.
Oooh do you know when exactly that happened? Maybe they're preparing to finally deal with HYBE themselves directly once MHJ is kicked out?
They all should clear the 16 th floor of HYBE building MHJ New Jeans all Ador employees security should send them packing……why on earth Bang PD gave this woman 18% of the company also 3 million dollars from his own pocket for her to buy shares highest salary of all HYBE executives plus 22 million dollars for New Jeans star up…tell me this is not madness..I think Bang PD was under her spell
While I understand the outrage (and do think Bang PD has terrible business sense) - I don't think the NJs members did anything wrong, they are children, minors, and have been groomed by her for YEARS. If someone made you believe they were the very reason for your existence, it would be hard to turn your back on them, especially when you add in cultural aspects like being indebted to someone and blind respect for your elders.
Let's focus on the true evil at the head of all this: MHJ herself. Directing anger anywhere else is falling into her trap
@@TheHaniverse I agree the gurls got nothing to do with but it’s will be unmanageable for them HYBE the parents how they can move forward after that???it’s best to send everyone packing and wish them luck
The parents cant do anything after MHJ leave except try to end NJs contracts which they definitely wont do unless MHJ starts her own company. At that point its about giving the girls psychological help, distancing the parents from the professional workings, and continuing business as usual. I dont think theres any reason for HYBE to want to get rid of NJs, otherwise they wouldnt be going through all this mess in the first place.
@TheHaniverse I agree HYBE will attempt to keep and support NJ. They have no desire to do anything to further devalue the group and will give them some time but If the toxicity continues they will cut their losses.
All of the societal factors that you mentioned with regards to the parents can still be distilled down to greed. Just because they say they want to stay with Hybe under MHJ only, doesn't mean they didn't know that she wants to leave with Ador. I feel no sympathy for them and I believe that they are irresponsible to not seek business and legal advice separate from MHJ and Hybe.
I can see MHJ getting close in order to manipulate NJ and their families, and she's good at it. After all, her job is creating illusions. But Source gave most of NJ their opportunity. MHJ had it easy. She didn't have to go out on the streets and build a group completely from scratch. She got on an elevator and said thank you for culling the heard, I'll have that trainee and that one...HYBE has put out millions for their development, promos, and MV's, so where's the gratitude for that? I'd love to know what MHJ told the families when someone surely asked if HYBE is all about money then why push NJ aside since the company owns 80% of ADOR and NJ is profitable. Why cut off the potential gravy train? The way she has never given credit to talent shown by groups she'd worked with prior to coming to HYBE should have been a red flag. She's always claimed 100% of the credit for any awards or praise that groups she worked with received and whined about folks copying "her" concepts. When she joined HYBE, I knew there was going to be drama because no one there disrespects their artists' talent or, as management, seeks the spotlight the way she does. Coming from SM, MHJ never understood HYBE corporate culture and severely underestimated its management. I could be wrong, but I think HYBE will give NJ one, and only one, chance to reconcile after MHJ is gone. We'll know soon if pragmatism will overcome NJs' gratitude towards MHJ.
I couldn't agree more 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I think theres a 70% chance MHJ gets kicked out (the 30% is the injunction) but I really have no clue what NJs will do after that, especially with the influence of their parents - I just hope they make the sensible choice
MHJ has probably been telling the parents they would have to pay back all the expenses and the buy out of 5he contracts if Hybe gets rid of her. They would be liable for ALL of the money due to Hybe w/o MHJ protecting them…according to MHJ.
That and so much more, lord knows what else she could have told them this entire time!
Ne samo starši tudi Min Heejin bo plača in to kar veliko.
Responsible parents who love their children & have invested emotion, time & funds into them would have verified everything MHJ said to them. Blindly believing everything she said through the years w/out corroboration is the height of irresponsibility.
Plus it's easier for parents to obtain info to verify than in the past cuz of the Internet esp in a country as tech-saavy as SK.
Also, in a society like SK where gratitude is esteemed, it's odd that the parents bestowed gratitude on MHJ but not HYBE.
As you said, NJ don't create their own lyrics or music. HYBE provided the musical cadre of talented song writers, musicians, producers, sound & tech engineers. Company also provided the practice studios, travel planning, security, distribution channels to sell their music through, access to luxury brands for lucrative ambassador deals, marketing PR, access to establised artists to help promote them, & their salary.
Are the parents & NJ so gullible that they think all that was provided by MHJ (who had to borrow from Bang PD just to buy her initial shares in NJ)?
If so, then it proves they --- NJ, parents, & MHJ --- were given too much, too soon. Things easily gotten are never much appreciated.
I absolutely agree with you! Unfortunately a lot of parents in Korea are very passive about their kids; as long as they show 'results' they dont look into what theyre doing much.
Also I can totally see MHJ packaging everything as not 'HYBE staff' but 'ADOR staff'. A lot of people, including K-pop fans, don't understand how the multilabel system works, so they cant see what's 'hybe' and whats 'ador' and how those two sides intermix
MHJ is being extremely unethical. I can’t believe people believe anything she says. I hope the girls see the light.
How calculated she is is honestly scary 😨
Ker imajo kisle možgane.
Love the cameo from Augustus 🐈⬛
I wholeheartedly agree with literally everything you said. There’s so many layers to this entire thing and at this point, it’s become bigger than the actual legal case that’s being dealt with.
He'll get his formal introduction soon 🥰
Yes, there are so many layers, but all of this just works to shield MHJ - if you were the oarents, what would be your move tho? 🤔
I truly think those trucks and wreaths were sent by MHJ claiming to be bunnies. It was done so quickly after donations were requested by a new account on Twitter, and they apparently cost tens of thousands of dollars. Evil genius, like you said.
This!!!! I think I mentioned this in my breakdown, but the timing of the 'karmy' trucks switching to 'bunny' trucks was weird. Also karmys would NEVER do something that associates BTS with negative press, even if it isnt a direct criticism of them. The whole thing spells so fishy to me!
Še ptiči so čivkali, da je vse to delo Min Heejin. Min Heejin ima še veliko greha v sebi. Počasi se bo vse razkrilo.
Thank you for providing the cultural context. I'm struggling to follow all the nuances of this situation, and the parents' support was one of the things puzzling me. I'll have to check out your full breakdown as well!
I don't blame you at all, there are SO many layers and it's so easy to get distracted from the heart of the issue - though I think this is all by MHJ's design!
A few things have changed, but the breakdown is definitely going to help you follow the main issues and block out the noise 😤
Also thank you for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed 🥰
I'm sorry to say this but new jeans parents are terrible what type of parents would let their children be sexualised,harrased and being talked shi abt by their CEO I'm sick of mhj new jeans and their parents
민희진은 심각한 나르시시스트입니다
그녀는 SM에 다닐때부터 샤이니에 대한 쇼타콘 의혹부터 맡는 모든 그룹에 대한 일괄적인 비주얼디렉팅을 사람들이 지겨워했습니다
이번 사태도 어도어를 가지기 위한 민희진의 계획이 드러난것이며 부모님들에게 모종의 제안을 한것이 아닐까 하는게 사람들의 생각입니다 그렇지않으면 많은 사람이 욕하는 민희진과 소통하며 하이브와 이야기를 하지 않을리 없기 때문입니다.
그리고 민희진이 어도어의 모든 권한을 가지고 있었으므로 아이들을 가스라이팅 하기 쉬웠을것입니다.
전 완전히 동의해요! 연습생 때부터 멤버들과 식구들이랑 자주 연락하고 가스라이팅만 했다보니 이제와서 뭐가 진짠지 뭔가 거짓인지 몰라서 지금까지 믿고 왔던 민희진만 계속 믿게 되는 것 같아요. 사람이 안쓰럽고 헷갈릴 때 전에 알고 았어던 '사실'들만 보게 돼죠 ㅠㅠ 하이브쪽에서 무슨말을 해도 믿기지는 못하겠죠...
@@TheHaniverse 멤버들이 무슨 잘못이겠냐만 이제는 너무 멀리 가버린듯한 느낌이에요
사람들이 뉴진스에 대해 좋은 감정을 가지는 사람이 많이 없네요 이건 팬덤인 버니즈의 무분별한 악플때문이기도 하지만 민희진이 자꾸 언급하면서 사이가 좋고 단단하다 이런것 때문에 더욱 피로감을 호소하죠 저 역시 어느정도 마음이 떠나있구요 ㅠㅠ
표현이 너무 정확히 하셨네요!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 저도 같은 생각입니다. 애들은 굳어 애들인데 근데 언급될 때마다 한쪽으로 묶어버리게 되잖아요 게다가 '사람이 끼리끼리 논다'는 생각이 들 사람 한두명도 아니에요. 부모님도 너무 민희진 편에 쓰니까 자식도 반대할 수가 없고요.
Ok at the end they don't want to loose the goose with the golden eggs!!! In my opinion hybe should cancel them since njs did talked crap about the goose BTS
The parents are silly for not talking to HYBE. They better be advised that HYBE is in control. They still want to buy MHJ crap then they better be ready for New Jeans to regroup. They will never be the same. They will forever have a shadow of bad karma all because of MHJ
I totally agree but it's easier said than done. If you've been told something for 2+ years, it's hard to go against it. And if you believe a huge corporation while lie to put you in a tough space, then they wont believe anything hybe says. MHJ has really mentally messed them up 😩
That is why I am saving my money for BTS concert. I am not following these little children. They think they hot now😂. Wait for next year when BTS returns.
Girl love your vid! This content is very informative. I hope you also post this to other socials...since theres alot of bias & negative misinformation going around made by antis about this issue
Thank you so much! 🥹 I posted on Twitter and will be editing some shorts later to try and reach people on IG!
I try not to share too much of my opinion when talking about these nuanced issues, but for this video I couldn't help but let my disdain show through. I do see NJs and their families as victims, they're just kids, and it's so sad how people are directing their anger at them instead of the main culprit 🥲
As a bunny the new jeans members are quite vocal and communicate with bunnies a ton! They just do ,Most of it on the app phoning. This may be why it seems non Stan’s don’t know as much about them. There are times where I won’t check the app for a few days and when I open it there will be over 100 messages sent from MULTIPLE members as well as voice calls and live videos calls that I will have missed. I can deff culturally see why things are happening the way they are. It’s just a sad situation especially for the members.
Thanks for sharing this info
Oh, thanks for this insight! That's such a shame though, if they were able to communicate more openly then they'd be able to build an even bigger fandom :c
And yes, MHJ aside, I truly feel for the girls and I wish them the best outcome out of all of this.
Regardless of the situation in korea i couldnt see myself as a parent ignoring the fact this women has called herself a mother to my child freakly its weird i understand if my child my feel that way but this women is proclaming herself its weird not to mention her obsession with young actors and movie's about child sexual abuse
Honestly underrated opinion! I thought was a red flag from the jump too! A lot of people are giving her the benefit of the doubt in Korea because she's single and childless in her 40s(?) so they see it as like her surrogate children or something, but I think it is so freaking weird.
Best out come of this k-drama is I found your channel😁. I really like your breakdown an possible explanation in relation to Korean culture. Subscribed & 👍🏼.
You are literally too sweet! 😭😭😭(Pun not intended!) Thank you so much ;v; I'll do my best to keep posting informative and fun content!
Les parents et les gamines ont choisi ouvertement leur camp. Hybe a demandé à les voir et ils ont traité BPD et Hybe de méprisables après avoir mangé à leur table et continuent de le vouloir en compagnie de leur mère de substitution. De qui se moquent-on. Se sont-ils retournés une seule dur les dommages infligés aux autres groupes avec tous les propos haineux et insultants qu'ils subissent?? Non.
Les parents ne sont pas des enfants, ils ont un cerveau et ils auraient du s'en servir. Je suis désolée le 16ème étage doit-être débarassé: MHJ, les parents, les NJ et toute la clique. Il n'y a pas de place pour les ingrats, les traitres et autres.
Dans cette histoire tout le monde a été insulté par leurs actions conjointes pas seulement Hybe ou BPD mais tous ceux qui travaillent pour Hybe et qui ont travaillé au succès de ces gamines ingrates qui ont été apparemment élevées à ne pas respecter et être reconnaissante.
Thank you for your unbiased video. Can you explain why the Kmedia hasn't reported properly on this issue so Korean GP would be better informed, after MHJ Press Con? MHJ was only able to get away with gaslighting bc the official media platforms didn't write articles explaining that Hybe couldn't fabricate court evidence & all the data was collected lawfully. I dont see KBS & Naver and news report doing an unbiased and serious piece. only few TH-camrs have been doing fact checks but I think the Knews are shameful. Bangtan did so much for Korea, and they've worked hard to build a company so be torn apart like this, I feel that no respectful news reporter got MHJ fact checked. Otherwise her claims could have been shut down since April.
You made two really great points!
Unfortunately the kakao messages we're seeing from the court case were essentially 'leaked'. The court hearing was not open to the public and HYBE can not officially reveal their argument, so technically they cant be confirmed.
Also, not all the evidence was available yet - the audit has been an ongoing thing and theybe had to read through thousands of files and messages. The messages you mentioned only got 'revealed' on May 17th.
Furthermore, even if the news reported on them being real, many people still wouldnt believe it. The media, the news, the court, even the police are all well-known for being corrupt in Korea. Each media outlet picks a side and only reports things that support their side, so there are news outlets reporting favoring HYBE and others favoring ADOR. I know from my own work experience, a lot of the content is provided directly from the company and then rewritten by the outlet, so it being in the news doesnt instantly make it true.
HYBE have been doing things the legal way but MHJ has been using mediaplay to sway the public bc public opinion has direct influence on court rulings. Judges who go against public opinion basically say goodbye to their careers.
@@TheHaniverse thank you for explaining..it makes sense. with the ruling in her favour you can see the SK courts really sided with the public opinion.. it's sad. i always wanted to visited Seoul bc of Bangtan & kdramas but now my opinion about their social justice is very low
watching your video helped me understand the parents probable pov
Thank you! 🥺 I'm glad I could be of assistance!
Intitled kids
Pls, do not make excuses for New jeans!
Most of you forgot that some of new jeans members were Kpop trainees for 1-4 years under Source music aka. Hybe which means they must have some ideas how things are working in entertainment industry especially the one who was trainee for 4 years.
They must have some ideas what Min HeeJin has been feeding them are morally wrong but they still have followed, acted that ways & after every ugly truths has came out, they are still following, siding with her & protecting her.
The people who has good head on their shoulders, who has good humble nature & who has good moral compass, would never act as these girls were acting.
And they are with Min HJ for only 2 years not years & years!
They have been treated like princesses & everything has been handed to them & provided to them with silver platers & that everything was paid by Hybe & because they are not some dumb idiot, they probably knew these things!
Did they ever thanked Hybe or Bang PD for all the privileges that they were receiving?
No!
Instead they actually have accused Bang PD, the Head of their mother company Hybe, the one who has thousands of employees, more then 900 young trainees, 400 dancers & 200 idols & artists under his wings & under his payroll, for not greeting them when they passed by.
This alone show how spoiled they are, how narcissistic & egotistic their mindset are & how they think themselves as some kind of special being that should always be treated as some kind of loyalty!
You can simply compare the behaviors of new jeans to behaviors of BTS, the real loyalties of Hybe !
These girl might have some talents & show some potentials but they just don’t have good characters & with how they have behaved, they have strong potential to be mini Min HeeJin in near future!
I literally didn't mention the NJs members actions at all in this video so I'm not sure where this is coming from, but I do totally disagree that a trainee understands the job of literal CEOs in their company. Their job is to perform, anything beyond that is completely out of their scope, and they are also literal children. Besides their petitions, NJs have not done anything during this entire fiasco, so I'm not sure where all this malice is coming from, but you're basically falling into MHJ's trap if you're directing your attention anywhere but her, when she is the cause of all of this.
Lady u need to a grip on what u saying!the mess the girl did is just plain greedy!
This video isn't about MHJ its about NJs parents? When did I say she wasn't greedy? 👀
@TheHaniverse thing is use the parent for benefits not the group ! It all about the greet ! But fact the parents and the is being deceive by another to naive to see in front them ! U can with them if like ! But the whole thing is a mess! Everybody express their thoughts and nothing is solved it just going in circles!in any case the girl group are going to be hurt by this and the parents would not know what to do! Anyway you are analyze it it's not going to be play the girls benefits such a shame!
Im a little confused, the points in your comment are directly agreeing with my video 😅
It's basically Stockholm syndrome.
Exactly, and I doubt they have anyone to tell them that they're suffering from it 💀
@@TheHaniverse They'd rather be seen as bullheaded than admit they committed a grave mistake trusting that hag. Similarly, most of the MHJ supporters are standing ground on their hate even though there is overwhelming evidence that they were all fooled. They'd rather be dead than admit their mistake.
Korean don't understand about sublabel
Tbh, it is a completely new concept in Korea so I'm not surprised, but I doubt the parents know how the regular sustem works either 💀
Še marsikaj drugega ne razumejo. Imajo dvojna merila.
in term of 'what's the real reason?' might be not easy to get, as we are not them.
people believed what they(we) want to believed, which come from 'experience' and 'information' (and a lot of things), then lean to each of their(our) 'priority' which are (also) not the same.
so this might be them so 'believed' this is the best for their kid.
despite the fact that 'believed' & 'information' can be manipulated.
the aware of it and making verification (question) sometime is not easy. (because it's somehow seem like OCD) (as i think, all too much and too little, all are not good, 'mean line' might be established, but! for every people 'mean line' are not the same, both position and thickness.)
so, anyway, what we can do are wait & see & learn from it.
have a good day. :)
I’m probably a fan of conspiracy theories😂, but it seems to me that it’s all about money, they are all MHJ and parents and third parties, for example, a shaman, agreed to destroy HYBE so that Ador could separately take the label for himself. MHD will manage the label, and everyone who supported her will receive dividends. people are all predictable, the main motive is always money and power. MHD had its own support group in Ador, its two vice-presidents, and the collusion with investors. I think she promised her parents a lot, of course she didn’t reveal some details to them, but there was an opportunity to win until Hybe found out in time that someone had snitched on them. Of course, I could be wrong, but from the outside it seems so
No matter how NJ are good of MHj without the funds of HYBE they are nothing.
you ask what would we do... and honestly is hard put yourself in korean culture with this, even tho I come from EU country with similar ghistory like S.Korea...
I would trust my guts, and she gives bad vibes... but lets pretend that she was saing all this shit about Hybe and BSH and all for all this years and she is only point of contact and knowlage inside, yes I would trust her to the point, like I belive even after conference etc... I would still trust her. But with so many things coming from Hybe side and people debating and staring to say that she is "bad", I would go and read everything I can, all info I could get. If all info I read give me mixed feeling I would hire lawye and here comes korean context I don't know how it works there... but at this point I have money my kid is mayking big money. I would ask outsider - lawyer I would look consoltation with someone from enterteitment industry and discret. I would take all things a could finde in net, this is big case so for sure most lawyer has opinion and knowlage too... and I would ask what are possible outcomes here, the best scenarios the worst, etc. and then I would decide what to do. But I don't know if I would be happy to me talked all the time fow I support. but the problem is If only one set of parent is not so sure you have also rest that have influence with you, also even if one set of parents would't be happy to be used she still can say she that parent support her as long as 50% is on her side she can use "parents" as general statment.
I never listened to this girls but I hear thier songs here and there, but it wasen't for me, I don't listen to any GG. But with all this woment is talking how she presenting this group as her baby, I honestly look at them now as dolls and it is not fair of course it is not but how can I look at them different when I hear that they do all what this women said, how they look at hybe, how they behave, plus her talking that the girl comfort her (?!). No. She choisen girls and made them into what she wanted... it is sad, but I honestly think they will have hard time without her bc she made them dependable... I think they really belive that there is no future without her.... and as hybe I would also shelf them, I saw comments here, and I know hybe can't do it now bc it would be bad press and whatever they agreeded to do has to be done. but later I wouldn't trust them with not going to mhj and tell her about everything, then fact that you have build them up plus build their peronalites, and mental imige... I don't know much about CEO of Hybe (park jiwon?) you wrote he is greedy, I really dont' know. But if he has any head to business she would put them on break for year or so buils Ador brand and do cleaning... then work with them with fresh eye. I honestly think they should go to therapy or do little theraly group think...I don't know how with this in korea.
Is there option that they would terminate contracts bc they would want go with mhj that bad?
Honestly so many good points in your comment!!
In terms of the actions of the parents, I think you're completely right in that, that would be the best course of action, but I think the only problem is timing. All of this has taken place in just 5 or so weeks, and not all the evidence is compiled in a neat way for them to look through. They don't have access to court files and it would take weeks to go through every single news articles and distinguish facts from hearsay. I think their situation sucks because they haven't had any time to prepare a proper response.
I also agree on the dependability comment. To answer your main question though: yes, they could try to terminate their contracts on the belief that HYBE is not acting in their best interest, but they would also have to legally prove this. FIFTYFITY (the gg that sang the 'CUPID' song that was all over the internet) also tried to terminate their contracts last year and the court ruled against them because they had no grounds for termination - I have no doubt a powerhouse like HYBE would be able to make a strong case.
It would also be a huge risk to NJs to leave HYBE. MHJ doesn't have a company yet, and will likely have to pay a bunch of fines for what she's done, so there's no knowing how long it will take her to make a new company. Also all the IP like their group name, fandom names, characters, collabs and ofc, music, belong to HYBE, so they'd have to let that all go and start from scratch with a new identity and team. The infrastructure that HYBE provided is not something a new company can manage, unless MHJ gets some crazy investments and has good connections - but I feel like most people in the industry wouldn't want to deal with her now.
@@TheHaniverse I read about 50/50 when people started saying "will be this another 50/50?". So from what I understand they also had some bad people around them that manipulated them in beliveing that they can get better results somewhere else, and that CEO is missplacing money they make, but from law point he didn't do anythinig wrong....
Oh I know how much is to lose, that they would have to pay money and lost name and couldn't use songs, etc, bc it would be IP of Hybe... So I know for everyone looking from sides it dosen't make sens, but I simply wondered if there is option that they would think about it even tho all the loses. Bc yeah it dosen't make sens for us and from buissnes standpoint too but I honestly don't know what in their heads right now.
Also from messages I saw she and her minion talked about how much would cist to buy them out, and she said it is too much money...
The worst is it if they would make this decision of course they would lose, like it would be from they side and they don't have evidence that something is wrong, they don't even have debet from training, good position from start... So they would have to pay for termination, and of course Hybe would take everything, and I don't know if they can go to work in the same position from start or would have to wait after termination bc of contracts.
And in my head I see how this women also leave them, as long as she don't need them, and as long as she isn't working in, she wouldn't need group of girls without anything, so why care... Especially I think she would only care to get her money and lessen lose.
But also I agree that I can't see how people wouldn't want to work with her now. If I was investor and she couldn't deliver what I want, plus have moody reputation I would step back ... But what about new Lee Sooman company, hmm she was talking how good realationship they have. But I don't know if anythinig she is saying have any worth soooo...
@magdalenagabrowska8169
Yes, in short the producer of Cupid told the girls their company was stealing the profits since they were hardly making money despite the song blowing up (because streaming services pay artists jack all). They believed the producer and all tried to terminate their contracts on the basis of misplaced funds, but the company proved they never did and the girls lost. Since then the company has basically shelved them as punishment, the company continues to earn from their past success (as do they) but they cant further their careers and will lose relevance as time passes, basically ending their careers. Its a very mean thing to so but thats what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you in kpop.
Also I agree wirh tou on all the other things. But to answer your last question: lee sooman has a non compete with his sales of shares to hybe that he wont be active in the domestic music industry for X amount of time (i believe 5 years but dont quote me on that!) Their current contract with MHJ also has a non compete if she quits, but I dont think thats valid if she gets fired and I'm not sure if its domestic or global. In theory she could worl with LSM on an overseas project, bjt I doubt. She left SM because she didn't want to be under LSM's system and do her own thing, and its clear her end goal.is her own company anyway.
This needs to be researched, but someone said Danielle writes some verses for NewJeans music. I find it hard to believe because the only time I saw anything about it was when I searched social media. No guarantee it is true, so I still do not know if Danielle writes any music for NewJeans.
The best way to find out is checking the song credits, if she wrote something her name should be on there 🤔
Your cat meowing to be held is so cute! I really appreciate you making this video, I had no idea what was going on in detail and this video really helped me get the just on just how insane this situation is
He's such a clingy fellow! He honestly wanted pets but being held had to do for the moment 😅
Also thank you! I'm glad the video was helpful! I felt like a lot of context was being lost and honestly it's very easy to demonize everyone on the 'other side' but most situations aren't black and white.
also we know now that her plan in 2021 was to steal ADOR FROM HYBE AFTER THE 3 YEARS HAS PASSED. so she knew she needed the parents and the girls on her. it would pressure hybe to let nj go. but i think she did began to care for the girls after some time. but what is the time frame for when she called them fat pigs? was this new or old?
Im not sure the exact timing of the pig comments but its supposed to be from before all this news broke. The thing is, for the people who believe MHJ's side, they believe those messages are edited anyway 🫠
I think she cares about the money they bring, and once they stop, she won't " care" anymore. I think she loves how reliant they are to her. She doesn't care for them.
This all now makes so much sense. Thank you for this. It has helped me have so much more compassion for the parents.
I'm glad I could shed some light! 🥺 I do sympathise wirh them but I also dont think they're entirely free of blame, it's a very hard spot to be in though.
I loss my sympathy for both the parents and the girls when they refused to have conversations with Hybe, the parent company, that pays all the bills. The parents were unable to teach the young women how to navigate work place issues. How are the girls supposed to learn that it is okay to argue or have different ideas from others, but communication is the key to resolution and success. 🤔
This is the first time where i regret supporting a group...
Newjeans did thank hybe in the first win at music shows.
But don't you think it's strange they haven't thanks them since? 🤔
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04:38 ur logic here is weak, check ur info and data related to MHJ's plan to create a diversion for their real 1945 mission
You missed the point I'm making, I'm speaking from the parents' perspective about confirmation bias - not the actual truth. I don't believe illit had anything to do with this whole situation, but I'm saying MHJ can use the timing to spin a lie and manipulate the parents more because they already believe her inherently. I have an entire timeline of everything thats happened with sources, I'm very well informed 😅
@TheHaniverse yesh yeah i get it now, I was sidelined by my stupidity that i forgot about the premise of this video heheh, my bad... yes I just subscribed to ur channel I will check ur contents for sure... tc man ✌️
@poppette1978 thats okay, it happens and thank you so much for watching and subbing 💜🙏🏾
wait I meant sidetracked not sidelined, I had this nagging feeling that I confused one with the other so I googled it and I was right, see I told u that's the proof of my aging brain... anyway pls ignore me... when ur getting old and easily triggered sometimes we become a heckler or a troll without planning to be heheh
no worries just ignore people like me who have nothing else to do but watch opinion rants vids and conspiracy theories as a hobby heheh no seriously I think I will enjoy ur channel so go girl and more power and health and I teresting content to u 🙏🏼
I would hope Kick out MHJ from HYBE put in NJ in HIATUS for 5 years.
Too loud
The bigger question is why some of you are so blindly by your love for bts that you don’t see through bang hi-syuk ruse, neither one of them are exactly good people are about self and money at the expense of whomever, both are also liars and manipulators but some of y’all only see the wrong in min-heejin because bang pd can do no wrong in your eyes cause of bts, this man acts like a child not wanting to speak to teenage girls cause of his issues with min-heejin, they haven’t done anything to him, his issue is with min-heejin not them, even how he use to treat v, acting he doesn’t know him or his name for the longest time and even now he’s very neglectful towards v and it’s just childish and ridiculous but all y’all see is min-heejin flaws but not bang pd and it’s cause of bts and if you say it’s not, your a liar who needs to learn to separate the two, bang pd bh/hybe doesnt stan you like you stan them, your just a dollar sign, remember that while going out your way to defend them smh
Girl, breathe, no one even mentioned Bang PD in this video 😅 you said yourself neither are good people, but ignoring some kids in the elevator is not the same as breaking your legally binding stakeholder agreement and planning a management takeover. Youre literally comparing hurt egos to breaking the law. Youre turning a legal issue into petry fan wars, you thinking the fact I like BTS means I have to love hybe is also a prime example of the kind of conditioning yall are falling into, I have ZERO loyalty to hybe or bang pd.
Also you clearly havent seen any of my other content, i have criticised bang pd PLENTY when necessary, and I also have no hard feelings for NJs and believe they are very much victims of MHJ - its very weird how you seem to be ride and die for this random woman though, or you see anyone not siding with her as siding with hybe. This video wasnt even about her 🤷🏾 but go off I guess.
Wow they way that you immediately think that people are on bang si hyuk's side if they criticize min hee jin is so ridiculous
We love BTS, bang pd not so much 😂😂 we know both bang pd and mhj are bad, but mhj is a different kind of bad, she also actively wanted to ruin BTS (her own words). That does NOT compare to bang pd not acknowledging the girls in a lift 🤦♀️ he didn’t acknowledge some of the BTS boys in the beginning too. Not that the behaviour is acceptable, but It’s nothing new about him..
one thing is for sure, if the girls and their parents don’t apologise, they are done for.. no bunny support can help them. They will be made an example of in the corporate world of Korean entertainment, like 50 50. You don’t try to break your contract as soon as you start being successful.
The girls could learn a lot from BTS and black pink. They persevered, they were resilient, hard working and came out on top at the end of their contract period. Like the BP members could refuse 30 million and go off on their own! It takes a different level of success to be able to do that, a level that NJ have sadly not reached.. good luck to them for their future 🙏
And does mhj stan you or know you personally the way you're defending her? I support bts not hybe .. maybe not be so hypocrital okay? Yeah and if mhj's issue is with bang pd /hybe why did she name drop so many groups especially illit who are minors by the way and receiving unnecessary hate because of her. Armys are mad she named dropped bts.. period. Why couldnt she keep them out of her mouth, armys don't start wars but we retaliate when we need to..we dont attack but we will definitely defend our boys
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Care to explain what part is delulu to you? 🤔
@@TheHaniverse what is delulu?
Delulu is slang for a delusional person that originated from the kpop community to talk about fans who thought they actually had a chance with their idol, but has progressed beyond that!