The things that let you know Steve is a proper wheelsmith is he doesn't do fake laughter at every opportunity and also goes quiet at moments where serious concentration is required, owing to being on the ragged edge of the car's performance. So refreshing to watch. More of the same please
Soper has been around for a little while and has earned his stripes.I'd put, (the old), Chris Harris up there with him. Todays motoring shows have focused more on the money than ever before. My theory is that the cash and exposure brought in by the recent/current generation of 'casual enthusiasts' outweighs that brought in by the purists.
I’m impressed by the Civic given its price compared to these other two Germans. Combine that with a manual and I’d be happy to be handed the keys on any given road or day.
@@derbigpr500 I mean it’s £20k less than the A45 and less than half the price of the M3, while being relatively close in performance and having the additional fun factor of a manual transmission. If you think some fit and finish plus a 0.5-1.5 second advantage is worth £20-50k we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Of course, Japanese cars will always prevail, as German cars belong in a scrapyard. Additionally, Toyota and Honda produce the most reliable and fuel-efficient engines of all time-even a hybrid cannot surpass the Honda Civic.
@@intelligentcarreviews8592 Suppose it depends what "slow" car it is as I doubt very much an Austin Allegro to the max would put much of a smile on your face : )
Some were asking about other car's laptimes by Steve for different cars. M3 43.9s A45 44.9s Civic Type R 47.1s (against the Yaris), 45.6s (this video) Alfa 44.4s M5 45.7s RS6 46s GTI 48.8s GR Yaris 47.9s Cayman GTS 45.9s Alpine A 110s 47.4s
All 3 cars are seriously impressive to be honest. But for me, the humble Civic is the best. It's way more affordable and almost surely way, way more reliable and cheaper to maintain. And most importantly, it's a manual!
The Civic is One fine machine. Given the much less bhp and fwd shows that the chassis is a absolute masterpiece. A clear winner for me regarding price, performance, usability and reliability.
@@Sfisoul right, the fwd cant realy handle more power (on small Tracks/Traffic) but it doesnt realy need to either. The japanese are just clever and the Honda is just impressive on its own being able to race and perform against two completly different systems, powers and pricetags that would seem to give ALOT of advantage. But in the end it doesnt, shows the true work that whent in the Honda.
I was not arguing on design and on who spends their money on what and how mutch. That is optional. But sure, if it makes you happy above all things in life spending 35k euro + for looks its your choice.
Good video!! but..how is comparing a 40k vehicle to a 70k vehicle fair? I mean i love the video, but i sure hope 30k difference would get you better performance! I think the fact that we are comparing the type r to a vehicle totally out of its league (in price) just shows how much of a great car for the price the Type R is.
I think what this shows you is just how finally balanced a lot of these new hot hatches are. The I30N, Megane RS and Type R to name a few. And that’s before you go and start modifying them for some extra fun! It’s not a bad time to be a car enthusiast, that’s for sure.
Interesting comparison, certainly shows the immense capabilities of all of the cars. Would be interested to see how the FK8 Limited Edition compares to the A45s and the new Golf R.
Except that I would take it on! You need bigger balls to drive that M3 to the limit than in a hot hatch and your average Johnny Liftoff won’t know where the hot hatch had gone through the twisties.
What i take from this video is, that i now have a reason to like that the new M3 excists. Parked besides the new M3, the Civic Type R doesn't look quite as ugly. It's not much, but it's something.
@@ronaldov09 The AMG was on PS4S, as was the M3. The Civic was on Conti C5S. (tyre specs on screen between 0:13 and 0:43). Hate these comments where people cannot be bothered to watch the video first.
That is irrelevant. First, you are not paying for a laptime. Second, this is a very short track and it cannot use it's extra power. On other tracks the difference will be more. BMW said it is faster than the M4 GTS on the nurburgring.
I love Steve Sutcliffe he’s excellent at reviewing cars. Didn’t see him for a while and in the few vids he did he didn’t seem well. Glad to see him back to his old self and great videos.
If the comparison is already good, Steve just elevates even further making you thing about the real potential on The New M3 competition, because those two are the best in their class. That's pretty astonishing for a car with that kerb weight, the electronics do magic things in nowadays.
@Peter Hammer. I disagree. The new M3 is over styled with shapes just for the sake of having shapes. Look at the hood and by the tailpipes. Over styled begins to look like a clowns car.
@@plakic You two guys probably think that the E60 M5 was good-looking too. Clowns like you are the reason that BMW hasn't made a handsome car for 20 years.
What criteria was used when deciding which vehicles will be selected?...personally i think the M3 is not in the same "segment" as the other 2 cars...as someone else mentioned I think an RS4 and c63 would be a better comparison
TYPE R IS AWESOME. with a 2.0 engine size its not that behind from these 2 german cars. Imagine if Honda put their 3.0 engine in the Type R lol.. it'll be definitely the winner. Type R is more impressive to me.
The Merc has the same capacity engine. And I suspect if they fitted a larger engine in the Civic they'd destroy its balance (and would need to go AWD, which would increase the weight even further). I think it's fine as it is...
@@dlevi67 im just saying...actually if Honda fitted their type r with that same engine on the coming Acura Type S 3.0 which almosy weigh 4k pounds and still fast and strong. That can fit in the type r, they just have to make some adjustments on the body or maybe none at all. Honda engineers always come up with almost impossible things all the time. My point is if Honda really would want to destroy their competitions they could...but they care about affordability so thats what they do.
@@dlevi67 They always do to have achieve that. Ive owned nothing but Acura and Honda soI know ... oh, except 1 Mitsubishi 15' Evo X FE coz i just had to lol 😅 . I love the AWD SAWC on that thing.
Type r is a track weapon and did very well against the more powerful germans. Imagine what it can do with s few mods a tune up. 🔥🔥🔥. Theres a few on youtube 👍
Great to see these track reviews, especially considering the horrible lockdown measures. I just wish you would mention what tires each car came equipped with, it can make a huge difference as you well know. PS: I love, love the Civic. Wish it were rear driven but still love it.
I just wish the bmw drivers could actually push it fast or have the confidence to do so. I also wonder if you accidentally put it in drift mode since the new cars drift mode works same as the old launch mode but for me it’s all about how I come into and out of a turn that determines how tail happy it gets
I like your videos, but I have to say it again - don't render a 21:9 video in 16:9 because on 21:9 monitor it only fills 50% of the area on full screen, the rest are black stripes around the video. Render in 21:9 and youtube player will sort everything out on every device it will be played.
It's a shame BMW went backwards with weight. The F30 3 series, they aimed for 1500kg, and pretty much hit it depending on the engine and spec. Now we're up at 1800kg!! Damn! I don't think the old V8 M3 was that heavy except in convertible form.
Dang Steve has been on a race diet too he’s lost a lot of weight! Good video. I wonder how the Megane trophy r would compare against the M3 on this track. Can’t recall if it’s been tested or confirmed if quicker than the type R? 🤔
But only if they could have made it look as good as it apparently handles. The focus group for the styling must have been a bunch of meth-addled chimps. At this price point it needs the look as good as an Aston Martin Vanquish or an Alfa Giulia. The fact that the snout is so contentious proves that it was a major miss in the looks department.
@@nhlanhlamagagula7467 And some people like Surströmming. Well maybe that was an unfair comparison. The front sure looks better than the M440 version. I 'might' bite on a 2022 M3 in spite of my opinion of the nose... or wait for the next gen M2.
@@ByronWalter maybe the facelift they will trim the nostrils, this M3 has grown in size but handles well, new M2 will be gem.I hope the dont mess up the grill since they so hooked into big nostril.
@@didiermejia780 and you’ll be in my rear view mirror still driving a pretender with a Honda badge. M3s are in a different league son, take the advice given at the end of the video
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The things that let you know Steve is a proper wheelsmith is he doesn't do fake laughter at every opportunity and also goes quiet at moments where serious concentration is required, owing to being on the ragged edge of the car's performance. So refreshing to watch. More of the same please
I Agree
fake laughter part is a true story
Well put
Soper has been around for a little while and has earned his stripes.I'd put, (the old), Chris Harris up there with him.
Todays motoring shows have focused more on the money than ever before. My theory is that the cash and exposure brought in by the recent/current generation of 'casual enthusiasts' outweighs that brought in by the purists.
@@gottliebdee263 Chris Harris is a GRASS
I can simply connect with Steve's reviews better than anybody else's. He's THE automotive authority in my book.
True
Yes me too it’s the best. Henry Catchpole is also great too.
This basically shows how impressive the civic is.
Shows how useless it is against four wheel drive and rear wheel
Those civics are crazy impressive at the track but I still rather have the confidence of awd especially with torque vectoring
10years later. I bet the civic has the best depreciation than the rest.
Many haters here 🤭👻
@@alexk3469 lost
A like for Steve. He's one of the greats!
I’m impressed by the Civic given its price compared to these other two Germans. Combine that with a manual and I’d be happy to be handed the keys on any given road or day.
What do you mean "given it's price" , it's the worst value for money here compared to the quality you get.
@@derbigpr500 I mean it’s £20k less than the A45 and less than half the price of the M3, while being relatively close in performance and having the additional fun factor of a manual transmission. If you think some fit and finish plus a 0.5-1.5 second advantage is worth £20-50k we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
The FK8 is manual only?
@@D3JXY Yes, 6 speeder only.
👍🏼
@@YusufGinnah I was responding to Alan as he seemingly didn't know that and was questioning the car. I know its manual 😊
Type R for sure, the best car.
Hahahahahaha no
@@BLACKRAINW11 poor id
Of course, Japanese cars will always prevail, as German cars belong in a scrapyard. Additionally, Toyota and Honda produce the most reliable and fuel-efficient engines of all time-even a hybrid cannot surpass the Honda Civic.
The good news is the Honda or merc won’t have to see that front end in the rear view mirror!
I don’t think these are the competitors to the m3
That is kind of the point of this video. Did you even watch ?
Who said they are
Give it 15 years and the type r will have kept its value than the others
Type R has its heritage. It will last until Honda wants to f*** it up.
Not really a lot of cross-shopping with these three. Still fun to watch.
Thats not the point is it.
The new M3 is absolutely brutal, inside and out! Love it!
Me too
Yes...me too
I suppose you enjoy spending a premium on a car that frequently breaks down. Well, enjoy.
This video makes me want the Type R even more....
I wasn’t so sure about this video in the first act, but it really came together at the end. Top marks. Worthy conclusion.
Looked like Steve was having the most fun in the Type R
Slow car fast is the best fun!!!
@@intelligentcarreviews8592 Suppose it depends what "slow" car it is as I doubt very much an Austin Allegro to the max would put much of a smile on your face : )
@@highlander834 true words
@@highlander834 beats walking.
@@intelligentcarreviews8592 slow car, ffs everyone a millionaire these days
Costs less than half of an M3, has a manual, cheap to maintain, and has bullet proof reliability. Type R all the way.
Some were asking about other car's laptimes by Steve for different cars.
M3 43.9s
A45 44.9s
Civic Type R 47.1s (against the Yaris), 45.6s (this video)
Alfa 44.4s
M5 45.7s
RS6 46s
GTI 48.8s
GR Yaris 47.9s
Cayman GTS 45.9s
Alpine A 110s 47.4s
Bmw once again nailed it with new gen m3! The ultimate out the box machine always at the top of the game.
Faster than a Cayman GTS? Wow. M is the fastest letter in the alphabet 😂
BMW have properly nailed it
The type r is faster than an RS6!? Wow....
@@richiebtime489 the RS6 and M5 were in the wet though
Impressive, the m3 keeps shaming critics with its performance!
Just like Barbra Streisand and Céline Dion.
All 3 cars are seriously impressive to be honest. But for me, the humble Civic is the best. It's way more affordable and almost surely way, way more reliable and cheaper to maintain. And most importantly, it's a manual!
The Civic is One fine machine. Given the much less bhp and fwd shows that the chassis is a absolute masterpiece. A clear winner for me regarding price, performance, usability and reliability.
the cheaper car will always be better value but that doesn't mean that the others aren't worth it
The lack of absolute bhp is part and parcel of it's masterpiece chassis. It probably wouldn't go that much faster with more horsepower
@@Sfisoul right, the fwd cant realy handle more power (on small Tracks/Traffic) but it doesnt realy need to either. The japanese are just clever and the Honda is just impressive on its own being able to race and perform against two completly different systems, powers and pricetags that would seem to give ALOT of advantage. But in the end it doesnt, shows the true work that whent in the Honda.
That is totally relative. If you also care about how a car looks, the Civic is incredible ugly. Therefore if you ask me, it is too expensive for sure.
I was not arguing on design and on who spends their money on what and how mutch. That is optional. But sure, if it makes you happy above all things in life spending 35k euro + for looks its your choice.
Good video!! but..how is comparing a 40k vehicle to a 70k vehicle fair? I mean i love the video, but i sure hope 30k difference would get you better performance! I think the fact that we are comparing the type r to a vehicle totally out of its league (in price) just shows how much of a great car for the price the Type R is.
I think what this shows you is just how finally balanced a lot of these new hot hatches are. The I30N, Megane RS and Type R to name a few. And that’s before you go and start modifying them for some extra fun! It’s not a bad time to be a car enthusiast, that’s for sure.
Interesting comparison, certainly shows the immense capabilities of all of the cars. Would be interested to see how the FK8 Limited Edition compares to the A45s and the new Golf R.
Except that I would take it on! You need bigger balls to drive that M3 to the limit than in a hot hatch and your average Johnny Liftoff won’t know where the hot hatch had gone through the twisties.
Yep, it boils down to what's more use-able, and more fun.
Hello civic
You have to remember that they are bringing a xdrive out later this year!
Yep and it will be just near 1.900 kg
@@robinmarples5198 1715kg, where u getting those infos? braindead
@Karol Szymon Wiśniewski i dont think 2.9, i think more like 3.2, the M5c can do 0-60 in 2.90s
@Karol Szymon Wiśniewski ///M all the way.
Lovely car, Lovely design, amazing speed.
@Karol Szymon Wiśniewski Quarter mile times are not what M cars are about at all.
Nice to see Steve back behind the wheel again, also significantly lighter himself too.
What i take from this video is, that i now have a reason to like that the new M3 excists. Parked besides the new M3, the Civic Type R doesn't look quite as ugly. It's not much, but it's something.
Ik think no one does talking and driving fast as good as Sutcliff.
New M3 is very fast and on top of that, you can have as much grille as you want and then ... even more
The New Great M3 competition!
Love to see you put the m3 back around the track when its properly dry, they're all epic cars
The M3 would have done even better, if the track had been as dry as it was for the two others.
Man that BMW is quick.
Yes, it certainly is quick-at breaking down every day, isn't it?
An extra 30k for a second. Great German engineering but not buying from the eu. Would go for the Honda 👍
@@ronaldov09 The AMG was on PS4S, as was the M3. The Civic was on Conti C5S. (tyre specs on screen between 0:13 and 0:43).
Hate these comments where people cannot be bothered to watch the video first.
@@dlevi67 Sorry my mistake. I did watch the video but thought the Merc was on the Contis
That is irrelevant. First, you are not paying for a laptime.
Second, this is a very short track and it cannot use it's extra power. On other tracks the difference will be more.
BMW said it is faster than the M4 GTS on the nurburgring.
Steve your enthusiasm, clarity of communication, experience and driving skills make your videos such a pleasure to watch, thank you auto express!
Would have been nice to see M3 vs C63 vs RS4
Imagine honda next type r 400hp dualclutch awd:Superb!!!
This shouldn't ever happen...
The M3 has a face only a mother would love.
Show the M3 ZF auto's downshifts, need to see how crisp they are.
not as crisp as the dct’s but still quite fast
I love Steve Sutcliffe he’s excellent at reviewing cars. Didn’t see him for a while and in the few vids he did he didn’t seem well. Glad to see him back to his old self and great videos.
Would like to see it again with Civic running Michelin rubber. I suspect it could be a photo finish.
Could you do M3 v M2 comp please?
The m2 will come next year
Moral victory to the Civic.
losing 2 seconds on a short circuit like this is like comparing worlds best woman sprinter to Usain Bolt
I’d still take the type R
First love both but the Civic is better value..
If the comparison is already good, Steve just elevates even further making you thing about the real potential on The New M3 competition, because those two are the best in their class. That's pretty astonishing for a car with that kerb weight, the electronics do magic things in nowadays.
When the best looking car in a comparison is an A Class, you know there’s something seriously wrong with today’s designers
seeing the M3 in person it looks way better than they AMG, not even comparable.
@Peter Hammer. I disagree. The new M3 is over styled with shapes just for the sake of having shapes. Look at the hood and by the tailpipes. Over styled begins to look like a clowns car.
@@fskof so have you seen it live?
@@peterhammer6915 Yes and driven one
@@fskof 100% agree with you. M3 is a confused mess of features trying to outshout each other for attention. And M4 is worse!
As much as I dont want to, I still love the Angry chipmunk face M3. I'm a sucker for a sexy looking saloon, and it's cracking driving dynamics.
I like the new look.
@@plakic You two guys probably think that the E60 M5 was good-looking too. Clowns like you are the reason that BMW hasn't made a handsome car for 20 years.
Thanks for the great laps, Steve...Well done and I’m now more appreciative of our M-1
Sutcliffe in 3 of my favorite cars? YES PLEASE!
Nice video. Better to watch than the endless drag race format videos that people seem to knock out.
Drag races are much cheaper to run (and film) and require far less skill...
What criteria was used when deciding which vehicles will be selected?...personally i think the M3 is not in the same "segment" as the other 2 cars...as someone else mentioned I think an RS4 and c63 would be a better comparison
You are of course correct. However, the premise was, for the same money as 2 of the quickest hatches, does the BMW justify its whopping price tag?
I see...well for fun sake then, the hot hatches have really great performance outputs overall cause they literally seconds off the mark of the m3
@@ramiromaney3499 Yes exactly. The M3 (as shown) is just as much a status symbol as a performance car, in my opinion. Especially here in the UK.
What is the difference between this channel & EVO?
Interested to see what the new Renault Megane RS Trophy-R can do on your test track?
Great video as always STEVE and you are looking a lot younger these days keep up the good work
Interesting comparison thanks guys.
I’d like to see the new golf r vs the a45s around this track
I doubt that the new Golf R could even beat the CTR.
No one care golf r anyway they are just another version of mini cooper.
TYPE R IS AWESOME. with a 2.0 engine size its not that behind from these 2 german cars. Imagine if Honda put their 3.0 engine in the Type R lol.. it'll be definitely the winner. Type R is more impressive to me.
always have been more impressive around a track imo
The Merc has the same capacity engine. And I suspect if they fitted a larger engine in the Civic they'd destroy its balance (and would need to go AWD, which would increase the weight even further). I think it's fine as it is...
@@dlevi67 im just saying...actually if Honda fitted their type r with that same engine on the coming Acura Type S 3.0 which almosy weigh 4k pounds and still fast and strong. That can fit in the type r, they just have to make some adjustments on the body or maybe none at all. Honda engineers always come up with almost impossible things all the time. My point is if Honda really would want to destroy their competitions they could...but they care about affordability so thats what they do.
@@berlinmae07 Maybe. Or maybe it's nothing to do with affordability and everything to do with balance and driving fun.
@@dlevi67 They always do to have achieve that. Ive owned nothing but Acura and Honda soI know ... oh, except 1 Mitsubishi 15' Evo X FE coz i just had to lol 😅 . I love the AWD SAWC on that thing.
I mean, what kinda tires do you have on that Type R?
Would like to see what a Limited Edition FK8 on CUP 2 tires would’ve done 😉
It's on screen between 0:13 and 0:31
The A45///AMGs looks so mean , i adore it .
For anyone asking what's the point of this, it's right at the end of the video.
So bang for your buck would be the type r. It's honestly not that slow even tho it has way less hp and is fwd. Not surprised at the outcome at all.
You were right about the horsepower deficit, but it's more the manual box than the FWD that also slows things up
A 340i is cheaper than any type r and is rear wheel drive and is better than any fwd car
Love these comparisons. Thanks Steve!
More comparisons like this please. This was excellent 👍🏻
Hm the Honda doesent have as good tires right??? And a somewhat wet track is not very good for a front wheel car!
Unique comparison Steve. Great Job!
So each Second you want to gain would cost 20.000?
Nah I'd stick with the Type R...
A 330i is cheaper than any type r and is rear wheel drive and is faster you don’t even need a m3
All those rapid camera switches reminds me of movies made with shaky cam. It would be much better if you guys just stick to the front view.
M3 for me all day long. In person the grille actually looks really attractive. BMW needs to sort out their configurator
Fanboy has spoken
Type r is a track weapon and did very well against the more powerful germans.
Imagine what it can do with s few mods a tune up. 🔥🔥🔥. Theres a few on youtube 👍
Good to see you Steve. Its been a while.
You should make those comparison on Launching control too !
Civic Type R Manual gear shift... 😎 Not many of them left..
it would be interesting to try the civic with the same tires as the other two cars ..
Great to see these track reviews, especially considering the horrible lockdown measures.
I just wish you would mention what tires each car came equipped with, it can make a huge difference as you well know.
PS: I love, love the Civic. Wish it were rear driven but still love it.
Maybe watch the video? Tyres used are on screen between 0:13 and 0:31 (A45S and Civic) and 0:33 and 0:43 (M3)
I just wish the bmw drivers could actually push it fast or have the confidence to do so. I also wonder if you accidentally put it in drift mode since the new cars drift mode works same as the old launch mode but for me it’s all about how I come into and out of a turn that determines how tail happy it gets
Let me guess the civic is the fast car between the three
This guy is more of a racer whose other job is as a getaway driver...Love Steve Sutcliffe's content
Why didn’t you compare the Dacia Sandero as well? That thing is rapid with the right driver
I like your videos, but I have to say it again - don't render a 21:9 video in 16:9 because on 21:9 monitor it only fills 50% of the area on full screen, the rest are black stripes around the video. Render in 21:9 and youtube player will sort everything out on every device it will be played.
For the money the Civic wins I would say. Steve's smile was telling.
BMW G80 ///M3 POWER 6 speed manual My Dream Car
Steve and Tiff Needell for the win
Should have just thrown in the GR yaris for the fun of it
Slightly unfair power to weight but M3 2 wheel drive so fairly even , New M3 is a beast and I’m slowly warming to the front end
M3 comp vs a 992 c2s please
The Honda Civic Type R GT has an excellent chassis and a great engine. And good one's in a few years will go up in value.
Last time that BMW M3 went to 39.1 and the Alfa Romeo Julia 44.4 , now we see the BMW going to 43.9 , What's the matter about that ?
Challenge accepted. Seriously that looks fun.
It's a shame BMW went backwards with weight. The F30 3 series, they aimed for 1500kg, and pretty much hit it depending on the engine and spec. Now we're up at 1800kg!! Damn! I don't think the old V8 M3 was that heavy except in convertible form.
Good one, loved it.
M3 vs GT4 please Steve and Autocar!
would really like to see how fast the new golf R will do around this same track
Next on AutoExpress GR Yaris vs Lamborghini Aventador. Pointless test
Steve is legendary 🙌
M3 is a beast
Dang Steve has been on a race diet too he’s lost a lot of weight! Good video. I wonder how the Megane trophy r would compare against the M3 on this track. Can’t recall if it’s been tested or confirmed if quicker than the type R? 🤔
Don't judge by the looks but by the performance and character...Keep shining M3, Keep shining and shame the critics
But only if they could have made it look as good as it apparently handles. The focus group for the styling must have been a bunch of meth-addled chimps. At this price point it needs the look as good as an Aston Martin Vanquish or an Alfa Giulia. The fact that the snout is so contentious proves that it was a major miss in the looks department.
Bru fck the M3...
@@ByronWalter It just the grill, the rear looks stunning and overall it looks bold and aggressive
@@nhlanhlamagagula7467 And some people like Surströmming. Well maybe that was an unfair comparison. The front sure looks better than the M440 version. I 'might' bite on a 2022 M3 in spite of my opinion of the nose... or wait for the next gen M2.
@@ByronWalter maybe the facelift they will trim the nostrils, this M3 has grown in size but handles well, new M2 will be gem.I hope the dont mess up the grill since they so hooked into big nostril.
The Honda no where near the same league as the other cars
M3 ; the badge says all you need to know.
1.7 faster than a manual CTR.
@@didiermejia780 and you’ll be in my rear view mirror still driving a pretender with a Honda badge. M3s are in a different league son, take the advice given at the end of the video
@@hackney4eva in the real world with its twisting, broken tarmac, you wouldn't know which way the CTR went.
Now let's try the TYPE R LIMITED