I didn't have much workshop time this week but I happened to film this which turned out quite interesting video! We lost most of the last week on our car problems but now we have working car so we don't need to steal Timo's van any more for country side filming days :D If you wan't to see part of our car problems check Anni's video about buying pick-up truck for our company th-cam.com/video/Zyd-W8rCEOU/w-d-xo.html
I think the spikes on the Spikenator will buckle and fall outside the 1/2 mm tolerance if you do something tough like a hockey puck or paper. Perhaps shorten them?
I will probably make first easier crushes and then shorten them for tougher stuff. But if they got slightly bent they will self correct when they go into those holes
You should weld all the broken lathe and milling machine parts and tool holders into a trophy and present it to the next guy who crashes a machine in a spectacular manner. It's a long standing tradition in some machine shops.
Yeah, I had a job as a maint-mech and they wanted to know where all the $$ went, I showed them 4 of those 5 gallon plastic buckets full of broken parts....probably over 2,000 pieces in there of junk. mostly gears and bearings....5 years of guys beating the Heck out of everything...
You have massively impressive machinery in your workshop it’s so fascinating to watch in action. It is mind blowing to think just how much you could create and build using them. I am just glad you like to create and build scary shit that destroys things in the most fun way ever! 😂
Judging on how easily the past smashinator has bent tips. The likelihood of the spikenator having one spike go askew and causing a catastrophic chain failure in spikes should make this pretty fun to watch.
Cant wait for spikenator! I guess bearing speed limits are there for a reason. When I saw the title I thought maybe the main lathe bearing went. Now that would be exciting!
It's really easy to make those complicated tools with CAD and laser cutter. I just draw nice things and send files with email and then after sometime giant puzzle arrives to my door and I just bolt and weld everything together :D
1. I hope the O.D. of that workpiece wasn't critical... looked like the bearing failure spalled it a little bit. Ouch. 2. The offspray of that cutting-fluid is concerning; machinists have developed pneumonia-like lung diseases here in US from breathing shop air with vaporized cutting-fluid in it. Granted, it's over years of doing so; but it has been fatal in a few cases. Consider increasing viscosity slightly and lightly masking up when you have a job like this. I know you probably do dozens of jobs a year (if not per month) like this; so measures to preserve your health while doing so are warranted.
Most of my job involves getting replacement bearings from retailers and manufacturers to broken-down factories. It's neat seeing video of one actually failing.
A few ideas for extrustion machine hole shapes: 1. HPC (in the same font style as the SPIKENATOR 5 000 000) 2. Rifling-shaped holes, so the extrusions come out on an angle, similar to the water fountains you would sometimes see at a water park. 3. A dotted line in the shape of a Pentagram. Machining this would be a bit difficult (from what I understand at least) but the outcome and the extrusion would look absolutely amazing!
The long chips from the hard material is really annoying. I get them a lot from drilling 1-5/16 through EN30B. I usually put coolant on the bearings when they are running really fast. Cool video!
How hot does the cooling/lubrication fluid end up? Thermal imagery would be interesting, especially if it can catch the beginning of the bearing failure...
6:00 Put a nice lead-in radius or angle on the back of those slots for smooth extrusion. I think you would also get nicer results with the worm maker if you did the same to that.
Maybe even chamfering the exit to help slow down the exiting fluid speed would help retain the desired designs as they come out, but that I don’t know and is complete speculation.
You can also put the tabs that hold the extrusion shape deeper inside the chamber, or eliminate the tabs entirely and make it a long spike that comes from the back of the cylinder and have a complete circle or other shape in the extrusion.
All good info. Cheers gents. I didnt get to do a lot with extrusion. Only impact extrusion. I'm a toolmaker, among other things, but mainly worked in metal stamping/pressing.
Question: how much pull force (moving up) does the Hydraulic press have? Isn´t it the same as its pushing force? If it is, maybe you should make a way to pull these kinds of tools apart again. Of course you would have to clamp it down to the table too.
We are going to turn lot of material away from that piece still so it doesn't matter. And those were pretty shallow scratches also since the material is so hard
How much damage did the failed bearing do to the piece being worked? Is there machining to be performed on the outside of the piece too, or will unplanned repairs be necessary where the bearing dragged on the piece?
It's going to be machined from the area where it got scratches so I didn't check how deep they were but they probably only 0.5mm or something like that deep
Have you asked Sandvic to come to your workshop and maybe provide an alternative carbide tip which has a better chip breaker for the drilling? When you started drilling the hole, the swarf didn't seem to want to break off I noticed. 😉
1:56 Oh, that explains what I saw today! I'm an apprentice machinist and I saw a drill bit with a hose hanging off of it and thought "what's that doing there??" Well, now I know! :DD
the extruder 5Mv2.0 you have drawn up there really needs to make continuous doughnut! so a stream out from the extrusion plate right into the hot oil continuously for another worlds first.
When you build the Spikenator you could have some large threaded holes in the top plate so you can use bolts to jack the plates apart, I think this would be easier than having to turn it over and push them apart through the larger hole you mentioned. If you put one next to each guide pin i think it would work pretty well and you wouldn't have to remove the central spike :D
Might I suggest a bracket on either side of the base to sit a small hydraulic jack on to raise the upper section. Just add a tab on either side of the upper plate for it to push against. That Spikenator looks good.
That's why we (at my work place) added a coolant system to this thing, so the bearings won't overheat. Also, the "Spikenator" reminds me at a "Pork & Beef Injector"^^www.gea.com/en/binaries/GEA%20Injector_tcm11-13742.jpg
First of all, let it be known that I am not a machinist or designer, so please forgive my comment if it seems far fetched or out of line. Looking at your extruder design, I though flush mount torx (star) screws would be better choice than bolts on the template plate mount. That way you could slice off the play-dough or whatever you extrude. Easier clean-up as well. I know it would be more work since it would require tapered holes on the templates and tapping the back plate for threads. Just a thought.
What if the holes/apertures in the extruder plate were drilled through the plate at angles other than directly perpendicular to the surface? Can extruded spaghetti be made to shoot out at many weird angles simultaneously?
I would like to see a large viewing window on the Spikenator. I think it would be satisfying to see first some of the material get pushed through, and then the spikes coming down. Maybe 3 smaller windows for strength.
What makes the cooling-water look that coffee like? is it that the water doesn't heat that much up? I work as a carpenter, so, I am totally noobish in drilling with my coffee.
Just have a single one inch hole , paint a brown ring around its edge . . & see how far you can 'crap' things out . . call it 'chocolate lips' . . everyone loves toilet humour.
You're making a giant pasta maker, so look at how they extrude different shapes (e.g. elbow macaroni (kyynärpää makaroni) or fusilli) and have fun! Also, do you want to allow extra room for larger bolts or internally threaded (blind - not full-depth) rod that's a softer metal than your bolts so you can replace them if and when they fail?
Looks like Anni's bracelet doesn't work so well as a lathe bearing ;-) BTW, in UK the Spikenator sounds like a medieval torture machine called the "Iron Maiden", and that's the source of the band name. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_maiden And I still want that lathe! I've got an old American one from the 1940s, but it's a right pain to do anything in metric!
Torturedevicebuildingskill +5000000. Are you sure you are not a decendant of the Spanish inquisition? ;) Gonna be fun to watch these epic tools in action!
For the new extruder, and S shaped hole might do interesting things. Or something similar with 3 blades in 120 degree symmetry instead of 2 in 180. Or it might be fun to find out how pasta extruders make hollow tubes and implement something similar if possible.
On the center hold of that Spikenator 5,000,000, you sould consider tapping that center hold, so you can run a long coarse thread bolt through it, and use an impact wrench to back the spike plate out. Seems like it would be a much better use of mechanical advantage, than simply trying to force it open with a rod.
Spikenator, tee sivuun kanssa lovi (-et) mistä voi vääntää ruuvarilla tms. Voi olla että lävistettävän materiaalin läpi ei saa ruuvaria ja kaikki on jumissa (teidät tuntien)
Cool ideas, but I think the spikenator is going to be really annoying to use when you need to remove the impaled objects from all the spikes. Also, if spikes bend, you are going to have a bad time fixing it :D
Why don't you mill a groove in the "hole plate" or the base of the spike plate, around the edges and then drill a small hole in the x axis (looking at your screen), connecting to that groove. You can use that to get the Spikenator unstuck with compressed air!
That bearing burnout was badass! I hope that wasn't riding against the finished face of the part, yikes! And may I recommend some fresh Finnish roadkill for the SPIKENATOR 5,000,000; do you have opossum up there? 🚘🐾💀
I didn't have much workshop time this week but I happened to film this which turned out quite interesting video! We lost most of the last week on our car problems but now we have working car so we don't need to steal Timo's van any more for country side filming days :D If you wan't to see part of our car problems check Anni's video about buying pick-up truck for our company th-cam.com/video/Zyd-W8rCEOU/w-d-xo.html
Beyond the press first comment to you
I think the spikes on the Spikenator will buckle and fall outside the 1/2 mm tolerance if you do something tough like a hockey puck or paper. Perhaps shorten them?
I will probably make first easier crushes and then shorten them for tougher stuff. But if they got slightly bent they will self correct when they go into those holes
Make a 5 point star for the Extruder... And put it upside down!
l..l
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What if you place springs on each guide post of the Spikinator 5,000,000 to assist in raising the spikes?
4:13 - Anni: "I saw sparkles." I believe that's the new industrial term. 👍
You should weld all the broken lathe and milling machine parts and tool holders into a trophy and present it to the next guy who crashes a machine in a spectacular manner. It's a long standing tradition in some machine shops.
Yeah, I had a job as a maint-mech and they wanted to know where all the $$ went, I showed them 4 of those 5 gallon plastic buckets full of broken parts....probably over 2,000 pieces in there of junk. mostly gears and bearings....5 years of guys beating the Heck out of everything...
You have massively impressive machinery in your workshop it’s so fascinating to watch in action.
It is mind blowing to think just how much you could create and build using them.
I am just glad you like to create and build scary shit that destroys things in the most fun way ever! 😂
Bearing failures can be very dangerous... so you must deal with it. 😎
Judging on how easily the past smashinator has bent tips. The likelihood of the spikenator having one spike go askew and causing a catastrophic chain failure in spikes should make this pretty fun to watch.
Maybe tapered holes on the bottom plate would prevent that. (???)
Wow, that is an Abom-sized Lathe ! Great video.
I reckon the bearing died early from being run too quickly, and maybe the steady rest was chooched down Abom tight.
I shed a single tear when I saw the Spikenator. That thing just looks too awesome. I super excited to see what you guys have to spike up.
I can not wait to see your new videos with the new tools! super excited!!!
Cant wait for spikenator! I guess bearing speed limits are there for a reason. When I saw the title I thought maybe the main lathe bearing went. Now that would be exciting!
We broke the gearbox couple months ago but it wasn't main bearings. Luckily those russian machines are really simple to fix
Beyond the press Probably built like T34 tanks were. Idiot proof and simple but got the job done!
from what I have learn in video games, you just need to use a Hand Hammer to fix old Russian gear.
A hammer & chisel will fix most things .
These 3D models are wonderful. It's cool when such serious and modern approach is used. It's like our future is right here right now!
It's really easy to make those complicated tools with CAD and laser cutter. I just draw nice things and send files with email and then after sometime giant puzzle arrives to my door and I just bolt and weld everything together :D
1. I hope the O.D. of that workpiece wasn't critical... looked like the bearing failure spalled it a little bit. Ouch.
2. The offspray of that cutting-fluid is concerning; machinists have developed pneumonia-like lung diseases here in US from breathing shop air with vaporized cutting-fluid in it. Granted, it's over years of doing so; but it has been fatal in a few cases. Consider increasing viscosity slightly and lightly masking up when you have a job like this. I know you probably do dozens of jobs a year (if not per month) like this; so measures to preserve your health while doing so are warranted.
Spikenator vs lithium battery; can't wait!
Better yet, a LiPo (Lithium Polymer) battery. Commonly used for powering Radio Controlled (RC) vehicles.
That bearing was very dangerous and would attack at any time. Thank you for dealing with it.
at 6:00 i actually heard wife- extruding machine i was like: Watafak?? Poor Anni
Pipe
I absolutely love these heavy machining videos, you and anni teach me lots, I appreciate it, thansk
You always have the best music in your videos. Love it.
Most of my job involves getting replacement bearings from retailers and manufacturers to broken-down factories. It's neat seeing video of one actually failing.
A few ideas for extrustion machine hole shapes:
1. HPC (in the same font style as the SPIKENATOR 5 000 000)
2. Rifling-shaped holes, so the extrusions come out on an angle, similar to the water fountains you would sometimes see at a water park.
3. A dotted line in the shape of a Pentagram. Machining this would be a bit difficult (from what I understand at least) but the outcome and the extrusion would look absolutely amazing!
The long chips from the hard material is really annoying. I get them a lot from drilling 1-5/16 through EN30B. I usually put coolant on the bearings when they are running really fast. Cool video!
Very interesting. More lathe work please
Moi Lauri, can’t wait to see the Spikenator 5 million in action! That will give plenty of laughs with so many things to spike! Kiitos!
As someone that doesn't do that kind of thing, I would have loved watching you fix that bearing
How hot does the cooling/lubrication fluid end up? Thermal imagery would be interesting, especially if it can catch the beginning of the bearing failure...
6:00 Put a nice lead-in radius or angle on the back of those slots for smooth extrusion.
I think you would also get nicer results with the worm maker if you did the same to that.
MPAH1981 yeah having a nozzle effect to help he extrusion process should definitely improve the end results.
Maybe even chamfering the exit to help slow down the exiting fluid speed would help retain the desired designs as they come out, but that I don’t know and is complete speculation.
You can also put the tabs that hold the extrusion shape deeper inside the chamber, or eliminate the tabs entirely and make it a long spike that comes from the back of the cylinder and have a complete circle or other shape in the extrusion.
All good info. Cheers gents. I didnt get to do a lot with extrusion. Only impact extrusion. I'm a toolmaker, among other things, but mainly worked in metal stamping/pressing.
Did you build the coolant spray shield? It looks like it is on skateboard wheels? Very cool.
Question: how much pull force (moving up) does the Hydraulic press have?
Isn´t it the same as its pushing force?
If it is, maybe you should make a way to pull these kinds of tools apart again. Of course you would have to clamp it down to the table too.
Basement ScienceE The pull force is basically nothing compared to push force.
“Drilling big hole (Gone wrong!)” would have been the better title, indeed 😂
You need to sell merchandise that says " I almost died" 😁
It looked like the seized roller was chewing up the outside of the part you were drilling - did you have to scrap it, or was it ok?
We are going to turn lot of material away from that piece still so it doesn't matter. And those were pretty shallow scratches also since the material is so hard
How much damage did the failed bearing do to the piece being worked? Is there machining to be performed on the outside of the piece too, or will unplanned repairs be necessary where the bearing dragged on the piece?
It's going to be machined from the area where it got scratches so I didn't check how deep they were but they probably only 0.5mm or something like that deep
Have you asked Sandvic to come to your workshop and maybe provide an alternative carbide tip which has a better chip breaker for the drilling? When you started drilling the hole, the swarf didn't seem to want to break off I noticed. 😉
Ooh, can you do the extruder shape that's used for making things like spiral pasta? So things come out kinda corkscrewed?
1:56 Oh, that explains what I saw today! I'm an apprentice machinist and I saw a drill bit with a hose hanging off of it and thought "what's that doing there??" Well, now I know! :DD
Hi guy's looking forward to see the new tools at work it should be pretty gooood lol. Have a great day!
the extruder 5Mv2.0 you have drawn up there really needs to make continuous doughnut! so a stream out from the extrusion plate right into the hot oil continuously for another worlds first.
14 dislikes = International Stretch Armstrong Collector's Club!
Keep up the good work, enjoy Your videos.
When you build the Spikenator you could have some large threaded holes in the top plate so you can use bolts to jack the plates apart, I think this would be easier than having to turn it over and push them apart through the larger hole you mentioned. If you put one next to each guide pin i think it would work pretty well and you wouldn't have to remove the central spike :D
Did the bearing failure cause any damage to the piece of steel you were drilling? Or not enough to really care about?
I'd be more worried about the steady-rest casting itself, you can always turn another piece...
Might I suggest a bracket on either side of the base to sit a small hydraulic jack on to raise the upper section. Just add a tab on either side of the upper plate for it to push against. That Spikenator looks good.
Looks good!
Maybe extrude a heart-shaped-hollow-profile.
And the spikenator May work better with blunt spikes
Is that cutting fluid just dirty af or is it supposed to be brown :D
Does that monster have a z axis force meter or spindle meter? If not you are certainly braver than I
That's why we (at my work place) added a coolant system to this thing, so the bearings won't overheat.
Also, the "Spikenator" reminds me at a "Pork & Beef Injector"^^www.gea.com/en/binaries/GEA%20Injector_tcm11-13742.jpg
Spikenator 5 000 000 is a real tuomiopäivän machine :D
First of all, let it be known that I am not a machinist or designer, so please forgive my comment if it seems far fetched or out of line. Looking at your extruder design, I though flush mount torx (star) screws would be better choice than bolts on the template plate mount. That way you could slice off the play-dough or whatever you extrude. Easier clean-up as well. I know it would be more work since it would require tapered holes on the templates and tapping the back plate for threads. Just a thought.
What if the holes/apertures in the extruder plate were drilled through the plate at angles other than directly perpendicular to the surface? Can extruded spaghetti be made to shoot out at many weird angles simultaneously?
Use springs on the Spikenator to push the spike plate back up.
Such a cool living! I'd pay for a day or a tour of your shop, so long as I got to take a gift with me too 😉 ♥ from the 🇬🇧
Thank goodness all of you are safe after being snatched from the jaws of death. I shall never try that at home. Good, quick video. Thanx.
Do an HPC in the design! That would be cool for when you get rid of the dangerous animals!
I would like to see a large viewing window on the Spikenator. I think it would be satisfying to see first some of the material get pushed through, and then the spikes coming down. Maybe 3 smaller windows for strength.
Why can't the Spikenator be pulled apart with hydraulics by attaching a cylinder each side?
What makes the cooling-water look that coffee like? is it that the water doesn't heat that much up?
I work as a carpenter, so, I am totally noobish in drilling with my coffee.
Its cutting fluid.
Aha! Kiitos! Many Thanks!
Right away googled it and learned something new ^_^
A devil-horn shaped extruding piece as well would be cool!
Just have a single one inch hole , paint a brown ring around its edge . . & see how far you can 'crap' things out . . call it 'chocolate lips' . . everyone loves toilet humour.
You're making a giant pasta maker, so look at how they extrude different shapes (e.g. elbow macaroni (kyynärpää makaroni) or fusilli) and have fun! Also, do you want to allow extra room for larger bolts or internally threaded (blind - not full-depth) rod that's a softer metal than your bolts so you can replace them if and when they fail?
Looks like Anni's bracelet doesn't work so well as a lathe bearing ;-)
BTW, in UK the Spikenator sounds like a medieval torture machine called the "Iron Maiden", and that's the source of the band name.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_maiden
And I still want that lathe!
I've got an old American one from the 1940s, but it's a right pain to do anything in metric!
Steady Rest (in Peace) for that bearing.
Look at the size of that steadyrest!
What is the chemical that is being used as coolant?
I hope that you changed all three of those Lauri,for safety reasons.
It must have cooked the bearing going so fast. All the grease is probably burnt.
Can we see the bearing replacement?
Do you have the CAD files for that extruder? I'd like to make a shape but keep it a surprise :)
25 seconds, had to pause just to say "OMG FALLOUT SHIRT!!!" Ok, back to the video
Our entire family is now saying ‘pretty goood’.
Torturedevicebuildingskill +5000000. Are you sure you are not a decendant of the Spanish inquisition? ;) Gonna be fun to watch these epic tools in action!
What kind of materials can be extruded with that.
Try making an extruder plate that has angled holes, or milling some angled slots. I wonder what the thing will do coming out like that?
Like the death-star rays, converging into one stream!
For the new extruder, and S shaped hole might do interesting things. Or something similar with 3 blades in 120 degree symmetry instead of 2 in 180. Or it might be fun to find out how pasta extruders make hollow tubes and implement something similar if possible.
Music is always good!
On the center hold of that Spikenator 5,000,000, you sould consider tapping that center hold, so you can run a long coarse thread bolt through it, and use an impact wrench to back the spike plate out. Seems like it would be a much better use of mechanical advantage, than simply trying to force it open with a rod.
Spinning a heavy metal object to Heavy Metal music. Meta.
Spikenator, tee sivuun kanssa lovi (-et) mistä voi vääntää ruuvarilla tms. Voi olla että lävistettävän materiaalin läpi ei saa ruuvaria ja kaikki on jumissa (teidät tuntien)
beware, some matter with get stuck between the spikes of the spikenator and you'll have a hard time getting it out.
Cool ideas, but I think the spikenator is going to be really annoying to use when you need to remove the impaled objects from all the spikes. Also, if spikes bend, you are going to have a bad time fixing it :D
I am quite sure that it's going to be really hard to use but I also think that it's going to get shit load of views :D
you should use castrol hyspin oil, put loads on the rollers and keep applying it and you should never have that problem
That's crazy you would think those little tips that are just screwed in with small screws would be yanked off by the force of drilling lol
2 ideas. 1, try to extrude your logo with the extruder that you showed. 2, use the spikenator 5,000,000 on powerbanks, or Li-Po batteries.
Redhair = 🔥🔥🔥
You could probably aim coolant at the bearings to make them last longer. Assuming it's a heat dissipation failure and not just wear/aging failure.
Yeah!! Nice Fallout t-shirt, where does go to get one of those?
you should totally make a TH-cam play button thingy :D
that's a great idea :D
make a play button mold and then press some softer material into it
+TMM
Hmmm... Gold is pretty soft ;)
that's what i meant xD kudos for improving my comment :D
From some super hard steel
have you thought of building a more powerful press? also make a unicorn extruder
Great idea on new extruder ;]
Since it's TH-cam, you HAVE to make a Dollar Sign extrusion plate! $$$
I love the music. Who is it?
03:12 Literally my asshole after eating Taco Bell
I use those drills all the time
Why don't you mill a groove in the "hole plate" or the base of the spike plate, around the edges and then drill a small hole in the x axis (looking at your screen), connecting to that groove. You can use that to get the Spikenator unstuck with compressed air!
Extruder nozzle shaping suggestion: pooping butt
How do you have so much cool machinery :O
Could you use some of the milling lubricant on the guide rollers to keep them cool at higher speed?
Sometimes I have tried that when they are already in bad condition and it helps for a while but I think it's bad for lubrication.
Beyond the press Cool! Thanks, Laurie!
Please make the spikenator! Also I would like to see the puking smiley face
Hahaha I like the "almost died"
Spikenator 5m looks like some medieval torture device😧
That bearing burnout was badass! I hope that wasn't riding against the finished face of the part, yikes! And may I recommend some fresh Finnish roadkill for the SPIKENATOR 5,000,000; do you have opossum up there? 🚘🐾💀
How about using the Smashinator 5000000 for high speed Playdoh extrusion?
Well, ya gone done and let da smoke out of 'er!
On the base plate put two wings where the guides bolt so you can support to press apart