The Sudden Rise of Arc Browser
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2024
- You might have seen Arc making its rounds on social media. This is a story of genius product development, savvy marketing, and insane timing, and I kind of want to break it down.
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yep arc browser is VC funding, which means they're in the "user acquisition" phase, once they reach market saturation, the VCs will push for an ROI and that's when the encrappification happens.
I remember reading this concept somewhere. Thanks for reminding us of that.
I hope so. I feel bad using their product without being able to give them money. I hope they'll have a nice and fat monthly subscription fee for Arc+ or something.
Discord was initially distributed as a Skype and Teamspeak killer (like Arc, Chrome's killer), after which Nitro appeared there, but he does not lose popularity at all and still gets his “killer features”
Don't be hasty.
Until you notice that Arc is built ontop of Chromium, which is basically Chrome. Unless Arc is gone, you can never say Chrome is gone.
chromium is not chrome chromium is chrome except its open source and doesnt have any of the dumb google stuff
@@cry1ng-0ni0n_ but it's still owned by Alphabet which means they can alter whatever they want even unpopular altering such as manifest v3 which is peeking around the corner. And the other browsers still have to follow.
@@mical-9066 technically because it’s open source they can just choose not to implement manifest in their browser. that sounds like free marketing to me.
chromium ??? why they dont just build engine , i still dont want chromium because website force to check bot to work
@@cry1ng-0ni0n_it has most of the dumb google stuff... degoogled chromium doesnt
you should ALWAYS be suspicious when large groups of creators collectively tell you to use X technology
yes facts, but i am not paid lol. i just like using the app.
@@iamsamarthgowda damn you know you're killing it when you get lumped into the tech creator conspiracies at 222 subs ( EDIT: 223* 😉)
😂@@0siiris
@@0siirisand you get new viewers like me from youtube recommend (meaning you stroked the algorithm a bit)
@@iamsamarthgowdayea no my suspicion doesn't necessarily concern you
For me, the bad battery usage of this app shows that "vibes" only creates bad product.
Yeah it does hog up resources. But trust me vibes goes a long way for so many consumers. Whether we agree with it or not, many people make purchase decisions based on that.
@@iamsamarthgowda The vibes are kinda getting lost when it starts to lag under any load at all.
vibes isn't the problem, executing the vibes is.
That fact sucks, because you can make good vibes on a hair's width of resource usage.
If you look at projects like Enlightenment or XFCE, or LXQT, or even KDE -- they deliver fully featured experiences, and offer the ability to look ANY way you want, with very little draw. You could even build JWM (which uses about 120Mb of ram) to look like whatever modern UI you want to see -- and use it in the same way.
The biggest problem here is; people interested in vibes aren't writing good code, and people who write good code aren't interested in out of the box vibes.
When those two priorities come together, the team responsible usually starts pulling in hundreds of millions of dollars in short order.
I didn't expect you to have 144 subs. This video was very well edited and put together, keep up the good work!
Thanks a lot. Appreciate the kind words!
With this level of editing and professionalism your channel is about to blow up. It's just a matter of time and consistency. I got to learn something new today. Thanks
Thanks a lot appreciate it
but he uses a extremely outdated chrome logo in his thumbnail.
Vivaldi has had all these functions for a good while now
Word. Plus, Vivaldi doesn't force you to create an account just to open the browser. I spent ages on the waitlist for Arc on windows then finally downloaded only to face the demand that I create an account before the browser would open... no thanks. Sad, cause it looks cool. I will agree with a bunch of other commenters that the AI fluff is a waste of time.
nah im sticking to firefox until i die or it is discontinued
firefox is good, love to use it to do dev work
Smart and decent.
Same except Waterfox, which is basically fork of Firefox.
Use hardened firefox, libre wolf or Floorp. They are forks of firefox and better in every way.
Damn dude - I thought you had at least 100k subs, with that level of professional and high quality video. MKBHD in the making!
Needless to say that I subbed ;)
Thanks, appreciate it. Nowhere near MKBHD quality, he's on another level. Hope to get 1% of that lol.
All the browsers out there already and then we got this. Goes to show you that even if your business idea was already done, just do it anyway if you believe in it because anything can work.
The age old problem: Convenience vs Privacy, in the end convenience wins most of the time, even though it doesn't have to.
If there's one thing I'm tired of it's AI wasting my time, so thanks for clarifying why I *don't* want this browser. The rest honestly just looks like gimmicks that use more time and resources than they save.
I really like the pre-AI Arc, but I feel like they are wasting their effort on AI crap. Some of the AI features are OK, but most are just useless. The main browser is really good tho (you can just disable the AI and try out the browser itself).
Can't say I agree. I've been using Arc for over a year, and despite the fact that they've been focusing on AI-related features, you're not forced to use them, I barely use them myself, and it's still a fundamentally good browser.
@@thekingoflordagames3517Here's the thing tho: I don't trust people blindly running into the whole AI craze. We already know how models have extreme practically unfixable security/safety issues and how most large AI competitors do not really give a single fuck about privacy or data protection and just consume all data they can get. Someone implementing this kinda crap in a browser.. Let's just say that doesn't raise hopes the developers think about anything else privacy/safety, so I'll rather stick with the open source poison I know(chromium) than the poison where I can't even check how much of what I do will be send to some unknown third party.
@@zval No one even said your forced to use it so what are you not agreeing with lol?
Their clearly wasting their time with AI crap, everyone here including you just said they don't or barely even use it...
@@Milky____ Yes, in that part we agree. My point is that the first commenter specified how he didn’t want to use the browser because “AI is wasting his time”, and that I don’t agree with because it’s still fundamentally good regardless, and I don’t see that as a reason not to use the browser. Plus they are very active and transparent with development, and every release features some performance improvement in one way or another and shows that they listen to what their users say, and I value that. I’m not disagreeing that they’re wasting their time with AI stuff 👍
I've actually been on the arc wait-list for windows for a while now but since it's here I don't think I'm that hyped again. I'm the kind of person that tries a new browser but then goes back to chrome
Yeh.. sad to hear you are that kind of people.
i think arc for win isn't that good yet anyways.
Just stumbled on your video and I absolutely love it! The storytelling and the montage are incredible! Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks!
Can't wait to use 'Chrome but with pre-installed extensions'. I love using Browser that are just 'Chrome but with pre-installed extensions' every time they get released.
really nice edits and storytelling! your channel will surely blow up!
Can I ask if you use Adobe Creative Suite for your videos?
As Google basicly controls what gets pushed to chromium and what not, Arc still is Chrome at the End.
Slick edit, extremely professional. You're the only one I've found so far to put a larger perspective on Arc as many others squeeze out a 5 min video of simply the UX and nothing else.
I think I'll try it!
Excellent Editing and storytelling! I also have a small TH-cam channel, can you please tell me how and where you honed your editing skills?
Arc browser feels slow.
came here from the ali abdaal video and here to stay. gained yourself a new sub!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it 😊
Fun fact, in 2024 many TH-camrs telling viewers about Opera and how good it is willingly lying to their audience and denying the fact that Vivaldi has left Opera in the dust for some time now. And Vivaldi isnt owned by a chinese company (some may have concerns about that)...
Oh and the absolute majority of people using AI helper tools just use them out of sheer laziness.
1:34 Firefox: Am I a joke to you?
Since I am using Arc on windows its not having all the good stuff that one might find on mac, so right now I am just experimenting with but I like its minimalistic yet modern feel so far :)
How do you only have 295 subscribers?! This is a really well-put video!
Thanks, appreciate it
firefox can open websites, block trackers and ads, need more?
Working HW video acceleration on Linux that doesn't require 2 hours of trial and error while reading random blog posts and forums to set up 🥲
and you can just add a AI startpage😁
Yeah?? So can edge. So can safari. So can brave, Vivaldi, opera. A browser really isn't anything special. Sometimes it's just worth having fun with your computer experience. Maybe use it as a browser for things you wouldn't normally search?? Idk.
#1 closed source
#2 only works on apple
#3 requires you to sign up to install
how many more red flags do you need
None of those are necessary red flags.
#1 closed source They don't have to be open source!
#2 only works on apple That's bad but it's not a red flag. They might extend later. Hopefully for Linux. But I have not much hope.
#3 requires you to sign up to install . Some products need sign up. Not a red flag either.
Yet I think the founders behind Arc are full of shit. Their vision is very limited. Many of the features are actually anti users and they jump on all hype shiny BS trends. For me the real red flag is their marketing, the people and the tech bros investors behind them.
@@Kiev-en-3-jours you can't trust that any closed sourced software won't be evil
@@Kiev-en-3-jours Nope. Still red flags.
@@PatPatych Well at least someone told you there are legit reason for an app to be closed source or ask for a sign-up. Yellow flags maybe? It now work on Windows by the way. Now let's see if they make it work on Linux or not. Not porting it to Linux within a year.. that would be a red flag.
@@Kiev-en-3-jours None of these are legit reasons. At all.
Theres a reason this browser came out on MacOs first and iOs right after, it just feels like software designed for apple users, if you know what i mean
Yes agree. It def does feel like software designed for Apple users in mind. But I guess that is okay to some extent? There are so many apps on Apple App Store that are MacOS only and are super successful. Let's see how they progress.
Congrats on 200 subs!
I think there is a small error in your wording (chrome is not the default search engine for iPhone *Google pays Apple a boat load of money for Google to stay the default search engine) Chrome is the Browser?
Yes sorry that is correct.
I noticed that too
Arc browser is still based on Chromium tho. Sadly Chrome domination won't end in foreseeable future
So is Edge…
@@SouthAfricanAmericayeah, dont use edge
I'd absolutely love the folders in firefox but I just hate everything else with arc. Hopefully this induces competition.
for someone who rarely has a browser full screened due to the use of Power Toy's zones, a browser with a sidebar wouldn't work for me. I'd lose so much real estate
Actually arc is the most immersive browser and it will give you the most real estate compared to any other browser cause the vertical tabs pop in and out when you're browsing
command + s mate
use it and you'll know
@@ubervincent exactly
It doesn't stay pinned.
@@subh1953 is it really that much of a difference to chrome. When Chrome uses the title bar for tabs, and then one more line under for the address bar and buttons, and that's it? I don't need to remove where my tabs are cause that would just be the title bar anyway
for me "productivity" and "browser" are just two things that don't get together very well. For me there are mostly 2 metrics I care about: performance and add blocking. AI is somewhat the antifeature. It eats all the battery, and the constant surveillance that is necessary for current AI to work make adds even worse.
this video is like watching a 5 minute paid advertisement
I dunno Safari's always going to be better on Mac due to HW integrations. Plugins do suck though. Will give ARC a try.
I use Firefox, but this sounds promising. I'll have to try it out!
edit: nvm didn't realize this was mac only so far
Good vid! Your editing is crazy!
> Complains about Google's monopoly and their privacy issues
> Proceeds to recommend Arc not foss browser as an alternative and promotes how convenient is it to use everything by the Arc ecosystem.
Edit: yes i watched the whole video. and no, the customizations and styles are not much of a selling point for me. "Hardcore users" would rather use something that actually gives them freedom to do anything, so i consider Arc marketed towards the "techbros" rather than hardcore power users.
Anyway, nice video & editing tho! Keep going.
Thanks for the comment. Yeah honestly my only gripe with them is the open source part and their obsession with AI right now. I do think the other things they have done (though other browsers have them) are unique or at least marketed really well as being unique. I do think these tech bros are power users compared to the overall general population. I guess my main point is that the team really seems to care about the quality of the product and are just great at marketing and I do think those are the companies that will win in this next phase of software. Whether you want them to win or not is a personal opinion.
I'm not switching yet. Coming from Chrome, Arc's UI looked really confusing.
I have never, ever heard about this browser. I'm not joking
Thanks for the video!
The team of Arc tries their best at doing something beautiful, but I believe that the solution to most of the problems they try to solve is just to put it into offline, physical reality. I'm now trying to figure it out with a prototype of physical operating system, but it seems that tech might go into a direction of balance between digital and physical realities, and that's why a new browser, at least for me and people around m, solves such problems worse then completely offline solutions - for individual work and creative / everyday tasks for sure, but in perspective to collaborative tasks as well.
Interesting points you make. I do think they are prioritizing aesthetics over other functionalities.
I think for a business like Arc that is trying to get people to switch over, they have to do this. Otherwise, its gonna be hard to go viral and convert users.
However, I do think there are many features they have that other browsers do not and when I go back and try the others, I'm often missing the simple life improvements that Arc provides.
subbed, really well made content, great work
Thanks!
HOLY SHIT! This guy only has 144 subs?? Yooooo, I'm a day 1 fan! This totally feels like a youtube vid from a 4 million sub channel
That means a lot, thanks for such a nice comment. Appreciate it!
been aware of it for a while because of theo but not tried it myself yet, might give it a go
I've been using Vivaldi for a couple of years now and it's hella good, dnw, I'm still not quite fond of AI tools doing everything (convenience over security) and Vivaldi is an open source project (only the UI is closed source)
I like the customisation part of arc
Seems way too overhyped for a browser, i mean it's cool but like cmon it's nothing special, as vivaldi or even edge has pretty much everything they are so much jumping about
hey man. great work!!
Thanks!
It doesn't support Linux so that's a pretty big L for company.
algorithm gonna love this
On window its not out yet?
iirc mac os only
It's coming in spring
A browser should be as simple as possible while blocking ads and trackers
Arch seems to complicated
Your brain must be very aerodynamic
Great video. I'm your 250th sub
Good channel subbed :)
yes new browser. every browser rise AND falls even harder the moment ppl see that it is not that good as the others like brave, vivaldi, firefox, librewolf and co
literally never heard of this. sounds like a fad that will die out within a few weeks at most.
Arc is based on chromium, its not going to be much different.. addons are still going to take up a ton of memory, and you are going to have to use a maximum of 15 at a time.. addon management will prolly also be terrible
Why do you need 15 add-ons?
@@subh1953who needs more than like, 3 add ons. I don't even use add-ons most of the time
basically, its spyware
"it's the marketing that really makes you switch over" ok
Insane video
I think you should capitalize your title, to look more "Polished", the editing is already very good.
Lowercase all the way!!!! Let me think about it haha
Quick and easy decision to subscribe. Great production quality and insightful commentary.
DUDE! :D
- from someone who works on Arc
Not open-source, don't trust them for a second unfortunately.
yes true not open source, we can all wish it was but hard to expect them to be when they have raised venture funding. The numbers just don't work like that. Yes some companies open source and do really well, but I'm not holding it against them (right now at least)
@@iamsamarthgowda my issue is trust. A browser requires too much of my trust. Also I work in open-source professionally, there are ways to raise funds for public good projects, it can be very hard though sure.
So all I'm saying is while I don't hold it against them, I also don't feel I can trust all my personal information to a relatively unknown, closed-source, unregulated project. We simply use browsers for too much.
Yeah they are still haven't relese the windows version right? So...
They have, it's just not on windows 10. At least, now it's available on 11
@@badatsomerhing So now I'm on linux. LOL unfortunate.
@@chanukanadun oh well. Hope Linux treats you well
well i don't really care what fancy features a browser has, if it's not gecko-based i ain't using it, i don't want to support the big company whose browser and engine they can just randomly change and the web has to adapt because they're like 70% of the market
Dude tf , you have only 184 subscribers 😱.
i dont have any ai in my arc browser...
update it? I don't know but I see it in mine. They also launched mobile app that is very AI heavy
A new frontend for Chrome spells doom for Chrome? doubtful
Naaaah not open source. I'm sticking to Firefox
All these side tabs, folders and workspaces are already in Edge. So the product design is a piece of crap. And I didn't find any marketing here either: I didn't see any ads for this browser anywhere. Also, this browser is in full development and is only available on Apple devices
meh in some years they're gonna get acquired by some company anyway
Zoomers invented Vivaldi Browser
I can't tell if this is figurative or sarcastic, but the creator and CEO of Vivaldi is Gen X
How much does Arc pays those YT channels 🤣
I hope you aren't a clown channel of sorts cuz You sir have earned my sub 🎉
haha, i'll try not to be, still experimenting with stuff. thanks for subscribing, appreciate it a lot!
This guy completely ignores existence of privacy oriented browsers. Also ignores ton of other feature rich browsers to promote this VC funded AI piece of spyware junk. Firefox, Opera, Epic, Vivaldi and plenty of more clandestine operators simply don't enter his vocabulary. As if we can only choose between Google and MS. Which is exactly how little PR shits work.
He'll say he is just independent, he'll he is not shilling, he'll say he just has a few subs.
Exactly what an industry plant would say when building a marketing campaign.
Absolutely shameful. Another Gary V . student of soul selling and scams
Nah sorry I'll stay on Firefox
- Is it open source?
- Does it use a new engine instead of being yet another Chromium reskin?
If the answer to either of these is "no", then it's worthless 💀
I can't wait until the day when the ARC browser goes the same way that the CAKE browser did.
If It's based on Chromium It is not a new browser.
true, but aren't all these browsers that launch Chromium based
so edge, brave etc arent browsers, too?
Yes, brave and edge are chromium
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@@iamsamarthgowdafirefox is not chromium and is noticeably absent from this video, considering you talk about the privacy concerns with chrome as a particular point of tension between users and chrome. firefox has more market share than arc can hope to have for a long time and i'd argue its current privacy-oriented pitch is more compelling to those who may be willing to switch web browsers at all than what arc is offering
thought this guy had millions of subs, oh well
not for now at least lol
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Arc is not on Windows 10 = dead product
Windows 10 is a dead product. Like seriously, it's already got a death date. I get not liking Windows 11, but like, Change is good sometimes?
Proprietary browsers are not acceptable. Firefox CSS can do most of that anyway.
Okay, so...the focus on AI is a bad thing, really. AI is notoriously unreliable. If you care at all about the information you're getting being true, then you don't want AI search. Even the company's own videos demonstrating AI search/tab renaming/etc. show massive errors. One example provided by the company itself about changing car tyres was not only wrong, but actively dangerous. AI search simply isn't good enough, unless you're just interested in being fed information without caring whether or not what you're being told is true. And, ironically, because it's presented authoritatively, even if there are citations, people are far less likely to check them.
And that's just with the current state of the internet. More and more content is itself AI generated, so that's *two* or more layers of hallucinations and misinformation in your search results.
Seriously, just try searching for information on a subject that you already know a lot about. You'll very quickly stop believing that AI search is up to the task.
In addition to that, both Josh Miller and another dev have acknowledged that the direction their browser is going in is going to cut off the revenue stream for the people who create the content and that this will seriously damage the internet as a whole because those creators will simply stop creating the content that is being relied on. Their solution? They don't have one. They just say that the internet will adapt like it has before - all while selling this feature on the fact that the internet is barely useable at the moment.
You're right, though, when you say that the reason the browser has been as succesful as it has so far is down to empty hype. Almost all of its features have been around for a long time. Vertical tabs, for example, are about 15 years old. And they've managed to successfully market them as a revolutionary idea. They keep marketing it as better than Chrome, and that's really their niche - people who have never used a browser other than Chrome and who'll be wowed by a pretty but intrusive UI.
The current state of the browser isn't sustainable. They're bleeding money from the AI apis. So, what's the long-term plan? Well, one suggestion is super-SEO. Companies pay them to prioritise their own products in the AI search results. That'd take some engineering, but is a likely avenue.
But, honestly, it's not the most likely. In one video Miller admitted that they spent over a year developing AI features because they couldn't find a good use for them, and they didn't work very well. But they kept developing them, not because they were a good solution to a problem which existed, but because they were a current buzzword and they were afraid the browser would seem dated if it wasn't steeped in AI features. Why make it appeal to techbros with things like AI features? Likely because the business plan is the same as Miller's previous company - use hype to get a loyal userbase for a product to make it as appealing as possible to Silicon Valley, and then sell it for millions to a big player who will gut it or kill it.
My guess is that within a year of the open launch for Windows there will be a news story about the company being acquired by a FAANG company.
arc browser is literally just chrome in a wrapper. they're not innovating.
Chrome didn't really innovate either, they just made a stable web browser from what I can glean off the Internet.
Innovation isn't always everything, sometimes it's just usability or visual appeal that makes something worth it.
Example for the last statement is every iPhone after iPhone 12 essentially being the same phone with different specs.
people are lazy to search for the good pizza recipe so they need AI to recommend them some these days :DDDD you cant make this stuff up
Go support Ladybird!
Arc = Chromium + a bunch of gimmicks
its still chromium though
Arc seems like a fad
could be, but compared to all other browsers i have tried, I am sticking to this one more than the others.
I have it on Windows I used it in a mac vm before. I still use chrome. You can do so much with Chrome with chrome flags and also Chrome has tab groups like arc... and you can even hide them and re open them later... so you clearly aren't much experienced with chrome yet. There are many chrome flags that make chrome look better too... if you were a real developer you would know that... But i guess you use apple garbage so does not surprise me.
yes i do use apple garbage, arc was made for mac first. i am a real developer, chrome is slow. arc is slow too, just has a much nicer experience in my opinion.
This was very passive aggressive. Bro... It's a fucking browser. Chill.
this is just chromium but now the bar is on the side and other stupid shit >:(
i dont like it
nah chrome is better
the decade old google chrome logo is not funny. also you look like big ytuber but have 166 subs 🤣🤣
Just too much of hype.. It's not that good
Hooray, a chrome reskin number 9999. If you want something actually different, just get firefox.
wake up babe new spyware just dropped
sounds like a hype train to me...
not interested