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- The Journey concludes it's first full week but now it's time for some decisions.. perhaps what we thought we wanted isnt what we want?!
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Love this series. What i'd like to see is taking a step back and placing yourself in the shoes of someone that does not have your knowledge. How and where would they find out about mythic dungeons, stepping up, learning class, learning raids. Something you can't take away in the restrictions if your game knowledge, how and where does someone new pick that up.
yes, have Emma try the same thing next. . . she would not get there before BFA.
I've had mate that have essentially done this. Spoilers they quit and they're not coming back hahaha... I'm so alone.
Was just thinking that myself. As interesting as this series is, Mike has so much ability in playing, that this challenge is kind of lost on him.
this exactly. should have had a newb do this, or at least try to see this from the perspective of someone just starting to play wow. what does the game tell and not tell you?
I think this is the crux of it. Mike has a major advantage in knowing the mechanics and the crux of how to gear up. Sure, he is not helped by others in the sense of viewer raids, but he is not lost. He knows what he needs to do.
Having Emma do this would be a completely different story. I still love the series though and I think for what it's worth, Mike's doing his best in order to be as neutral as possible, so props to that.
I think a good idea at the end of the series would be to make a "how to find a guild" video. An to get a trial in a guild.
Trial guild would be a nice show.
This is a fantastic idea
Not sure if finding a guild is the best(unless he would join his own mythic raiding guild anonymously as a joke). His own idea seems to be better, being able to do anything he wants when logging the character seems to be best for most wow players as most of us are really time concerned. Finding stable 5 man group for m+ could be a good step forwards tho.
Think he means after he is done with everything else in order to help people find a good guild easier
aight, misunderstood, tho preach already made more than one video about how to join a guild
It's amazing how much your videos have helped me. I'm now pushing to get into raiding groups. Finally, after playing WoW since Vanilla, I'm starting to step up my game. You are the one person who is responsible for pushing me toward this. Thank you Preacher!
I get referred to by name a lot.
Mostly to tell me how much a tard I am, but it happens.
"Even bad publicity is still publicity."
-Angwe the Rogue
Good pug raid leaders deserve a medal or something, leading a pug is just so exhausting! Really appreciate those ballers.
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This project is such an eye opening experience. I've come across a few of these things myself but it's rare. Preach you are brave man for doing this project and I tip my American hat to you.
NoLimitsNick and it proves that you can't outgear some boss mechanics as some people think you can do 😂😂
Seanhousehead it also proves that you have to pull you're own weight in order to achieve something in WoW. Hard work pays off and you'll carry those achievements for all time.
NoLimitsNick Absofuckinglutely 🙌
This project makes me want to boost a toon and try this myself. Now that Mythic raiding can be cross realms, if he downs Mythic Argus with this...holy crap!
Nico Greco I say if you want to but I doubt Preacher would consider getting cutting edge in this experiment. I liked his orginal plan of ATOC. Legion raiding has been tough and I doubt he would go through it again.
When Antorus first was released, and i was pugging H Antorus on my fury warrior. On H High command, i always volunteered for pods and i always ended up with a pug with this particular prot pally and mw monk, and one time when i volunteered to do 2nd pod first, the prot pally said in raid chat "oh, you're that guy who always volunteer for THOSE specific pods in pugs last weeks. you're awesome."
A really interesting series which I commend Preach for, highly. I've viewed a lot of his TH-cam content over time, a lot of it very good, and even so these have been a real standout. Some trials and tribulations have clearly been involved, also. A thing I sincerely admire about Preach is, okay he's undeniably a very good player with a long line of raiding and other achievements, but what impresses me far more is that he has this very obvious desire to help people improve, and can set his own ego aside in that process - not something you see very often, at least to this degree. He is intelligent, also, not just in game terms, but beyond that - his various comments are frequently incisive, meaning they go to the nub of an issue, rather than a flood of detail around the edges.
I could go on but am time limited. I do hope this gets to you Preach. So you know, this is the first time I have ever commented on any TH-cam content and it took me a bit of time to discover how, without making some major gaffe (fingers crossed). Anyway for mine, this stuff has been very impressive - worth the pain I'd think.
I have to agree with majority of the community by say this series has been great, fun to watch and as a whole some good info about what is real for your standard player who doesn't really have any friends on the game, but still wants to play it.
Also I did see below was a comment about a video about joining guilds which could have some good positive points, as like we all know there are players who may be a little scared/nervous to join a clan, especially if they are a little inexperienced, due to not knowing a lot of the mechanics of the certain phases of the instances. This could be a useful tool for the newer guys/girls coming to the game for the first time for a little insight what to look for.
As a whole though I think the series has been really top notch and we all thank you for putting in the time and effort to put this content and info together for us! And we all look forward to what you bring to us further down the road!
Commented this on the last vid but please as an extra goal after Curve try and join a Mythic raiding guild, I think that's a huge new player experience thing that you've experienced the least.
Getting into a guild with no experience to show, getting to a point where you feel your character is ready for Mythic, finding a GOOD guild, finding a guild at a time like now where the raid's been out for quite a while etc etc so many things that can make finding a guild really difficult, so few resources to learn how to find a GOOD guild and yet "get a guild" is the most common advice.
Even something as simple as deciding what level of guild to go for can be challenging, if you go for a guild that's downed one mythic boss you have to wonder why in all this time they've only killed one, but then if you aim even slightly higher then your further behind.
Im shocked if you have 90% plus logs you had a hard time getting into higher mythic guilds
I like this idea. Get curve and a solid ilvl and then ask the question " What do I have to do to engage in mythic raiding content " and showcase the process of searching for a guild, filling out applications, providing proof of competency, ect... This would be incredibly eye opening to people who have not done such things and find it to be a very scary barrier.
I got in a guild that finished US 87 in T17 and didn't need 95% logs...
Oh shit im the gimp warlock on the left at 13:37 :D
I'm not gonna lie. I've really been enjoying this series. I don't do the pug life very often. I've got two good guilds backing me up and fully willing to let me bring whatever I want to alt night raids or carry my undergeared characters through keystones. Seeing the game through the eyes of someone who refuses to join a guild and just let their hard work carry them to top is pretty incredible. I know your videos have even gotten a disbelieving tank in one of my guilds to actually try pugging sub-fifteen keys to see what things are like.
I would love to see you continue to the point where you can easily get into whatever group you want, since that's what most people think KSM and AotC will bring them. But if you get AotC and call it good there, that's fine, too, especially since you'd probably end up spending a fortune in name changes by then.
I’ve been really enjoying this series Preach and you’ve really inspired me to do more with my character. As stupid as this sounds I’ve always suffered with what I call Warcraft Anxiety, not joining groups or experiencing content because I thought “oh I can’t do that, I won’t be good enough” but thanks to this series I’ve started working through mythic dungeons and am working my way toward keystone master myself, hopefully get myself Curve too before BfA. Thanks again for this series :)
I definitely think getting to a point where no one asks a single question about getting you into content is a good idea. One where people can look at you and say 'Yep, he's damn good'.
i don't play wow anymore, but back in WoD i did raid a lot for "my first time". i watched a lot of preacher then, and the biggest tip i ever got was "volunteer, get noticed, be helpful" and it really did help me grow as a player, and WANT to know more. i would pug with a group through out the week, learn fights, then do guild runs on the weekends and teach them. was a fun experience for a "newbie".
Finally re upped my sub thanks to this video after nearly a year off. This series has given me a better idea of what to do. I started at the end if f wrath but never capped until mop. I had no clue what to do and just got bored. Thanks so much for this series it has given me goals and steps.
Yep. I came to Legion late, as in 2 months ago after not playing since Cata. I figured I would do the solo thing until the BFA prepatch hit then look for a guild. Pretty much got to where Preach is now on several characters and just said "this kinda sucks once you get past the novelty of the initial learning phase" and just stopped doing things on my max level characters except for farming mounts/transmog. Now I am leveling new characters, learning new classes.
I think I enjoyed the experience the most when I was learning how to do the fights. Watching videos, class guides, and doing my best each fight to see how I was progressing in my personal mastery of the class. The pug raids are like a tease of what I had in the past, an awesome guild that you could have fun with and get to know while raiding. No learning as a group or discussions about how and why things went wrong and new tactics to try. Just me by myself learning so that I personally could contribute more. The experience cemented my previous opinion that for me to truly enjoy the game I would need to find a guild.
Going to try shopping for a guild but very little seem to be recruiting atm in my battlegroup at this stage in the game. Might have to transfer but we will see.
This is by far my favorite series you have done.
Loving the series. Short story of my own ( although you'll probably never see it ). Returned 8 days ago to wow after a 5 months break. Couldn't get into an Antorus normal pug with Mythic Fallen Avatar Achievement ( yes, I rage quit wow after 400 KJ pulls ), and 950 ilvl ( mythic tos gear ) last week, so I had to beg some friends to queue with me. I was lucky that my old guild took me back, and carried me to kill a few bosses in mythic today ( I was prepared, even though my ilvl was low, because of your mythic antorus guide ). For mythic+ it was easier, since I was doing +16s and 17s in 7.3.0 with my tos gear. Got a friend to queue with me for the first run, looted my +16 key -> did all the dungeons 15-17 in a day. All that being said: Without friends or knowledge you have no chance to prove yourself, since people are asking 960 ilvl for normal antorus, 970 for heroic and mythic+. People are looking at ilvl. Personally, I decline 970+ in mythic+ with 10 dungeons completed in time (+15) and gladly take 950 with 100+ completions. ilvl doesn't cc trash, doesn't silence boss etc. Work is still in progress, 958 ilvl, 3/11M, only 2k raider.io score, but I expect to fully catch up in 2-3 weeks. The verdict: from zero ( mythic tos ) to hero ( ahead of the curve argus ) was a week/road full of frustrations ! p.s. Also a mage :)
This is a really enjoyable experience to hear about, its hard as you are dispelling quite a few beliefs I had about being unable to do certain things. Keep up the awesome vid Preach.
i would never have thought off enjoying this series so much, it's unbelieveable,
cuz i'm also thinking alot of the time when ppl ask is it worth starting again, how it would feel if someone starts from the total beginning.
and they don't even have knowledge like we do nowadays.
thank you for that mate!
When you are gearing your own boosted character but preach uploads a vid, oh well
Not Going to lie, In 2 days of game time you have managed to get a higher item level and more legendary's on a single character than i do on my "main" Feral With 3 legendary's and an ilvl of 926... i am sad
Preacher this is one of the greatest guide videos ( and absolutely unique imo) I’ve ever seen. I enjoy your opinions, your recommendations and the frustration you get with pugs. Please continue series of this kind, much love from Germany
Love it Preach! Very interesting to see the PUG world. I am lucky enough to be apart of the core raiding team of a heroic guild. Seeing this struggle... looks rough. Very interesting...
I like how you went from zero to hero basically. The last video was downright "I will quit this" and to now be so optimistic about things. I mean, the game is influenced by other people so much, as a single player you'll go mental unless you meet good people. And maybe you're not even that good, but you decide that everyone else is bad as a safety mechanism or some ludicrous idea like that so you decide you're better of playing alone when you really aren't. I know when I came back to the game, I was crap cause I had no idea how stuff worked, but as someone who wanted to be better, I got better, tried everything and I can definitely say I'm a better and more satisfied player cause of it. /Beo
always good stuff, Preach. an authoritative, no spin, wow advocate and voice. thank you and ghosty too.
New video! Really good series btw. Suffer well.
I went through a similar experience levelling a new character during MoP on a new server after taking a six month break. Luckily, I found a guild doing Throne of Thunder during early-mid progression who were willing to take me (as a Warlock) despite the fact I was in mostly blues. And I pulled my weight, helped progression, soon became their top DPS caster (only a few melee were above me) and a core raid member. If I had to go through the shit Preach is subjecting himself to I'd probably have never made it and quit after a few weeks. And that was back before the insane grinds of modern WoW - and frankly, less elitism. New players in Retail must be going through hell right now.
Man this series has been very insightful being a new raider in legion. Thanks man and awesome job on these.
Mike one more 'milestone' you may want to consider doing, is completing your artifact challenge scenario or even all of the Warlock ones. It's one of the things that becomes unavailable post Legion (same with HC Argus mount that you'll get along with Curve, and Mythic +15 artifact skin tint that you already have; minus rated PVP sets), and a lot of new players will want to make sure they've unlocked them. Although with this ilvl it's as easy as learning the scenario and putting couple attempts in. Still though, something to consider.
As for M+, people want your Mythic+ Score to be high. Ilvl doesn't always secure your spot, 960 with a low M+ Score could mean they're a heroic raider, and may not know the dungeon well enough, so despite the high ilvl they're a risk. Lower ilvl but high m+ score on the other hand, can get into higher keystone groups easier.
Great series, keep it up!
I want to say thank you for making this. I have watch all three thus far and this is a lot of people including myself. For many reasons. I personally have some friends that play but we are not many. About 6 to 7. So we are faced with either pugging the raid or not going. We can split and try to find a guild that will take us all but again that is not as easy as it sounds. I am glad you are showing this side of the game.
Yeah, I'd like to see the challenge continue so you can get pretty much all what you've said in the video done on the character whenever you want.
I got my level 90 MoP time capsule DK to 110 a couple of days ago. I was farming MoP world bosses for mounts when I met this random guy, while in a que for LFR I forgot joining his group would remove me from the que. He said he would que with me to fasten the que times (he was a tank). After that, without getting any items he said that he would create a Normal PUG for Antorus (note that my ilevel was super low at this point). This boosted my ilevel quite a bit as some items dropped for him and for me. We started doing mythic dungeons and such together and my ilevel has caught up to my prior main. Guys like this are amazing. I do hate the fact that ilevel is everything nowdays, but I actually know what to do, and getting that "key" to invites that is ilevel is really helpful.
This is some of the most compelling content you've ever come out with. Keep up the great work!
Things like these makes me want to continue in trying to progres on my characters. Preach, I hope these positive things will keep on happening for your project!
This is a wondeful series Preach. I quit in NH Mythic due to a guild breakup and the barrier for re-entry recently seemed super high. I know you say that its a time sink and its massively inefficient to continue like this, but 939 ilvl, Keystone Master and Normal Antorus complete in 2 days played time is fantastic progress.
I think imma have to resub.
Agree with new goal, Keep this Up!!
I ran antorus normal for the first time ever last week, in a 2-4-15 pug group. We did the entire raid in like 2 1/2 hours. I died once and that was only because we wiped.
3 hours for the first 4 bosses is truly impressive!
Loving this series man, brings some real perspective :)
this series is amazing, and i agree with the change of the goal to be able to get into groups you want, that is what you want to do after all!
I have to be dead honest, I wasn't looking forward to this series, but it's exactly what I've been going through since coming back after 6 years and I appreciate it so much more now.
I'm in a guild that does nothing except pay for my guild repairs. At ilvl 950, my biggest issue is finding a guild enjoys progression but doesn't make a job out of it. All for paying my dues, but there seems to be so little between folks who are/think they are top end and people who as you point out want to be carried or skip the learning aspect of the game.
By and large a silent watcher but this has been one of the better series of videos made on the game that i've watched in a very long while. Not the same old datamined news or opinion pieces. Top job!
I checked some of my own recordings and i actually declined your request for a MOS 13, my friend is even saying that we should inv the mage because the warlock had to low ilvl.
Karma struck and we got a 962 DH and 958 Mage which couldn't deal with fragments and Scythe on 2nd boss and we ended up disbanding after 4 wipes. We are calling it ilvl roulette when pugging and the person doesn't have RIO.
I'm really enjoying this project, it's amazing to see what you experience in a "Guild less" environment when looking at the raiding scene at this point of the expansion
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i have to admit it IS interesting watching u do this challenge as a newbie solo-pug lyfe gangsta. Many of us have been doing this ON and OFF since dungeon finder was introduced in wrath and especially Cata when Heroic dungeons got a but more difficult - what ur experiencing, many of us have long past come to terms with and now have new mentalities, as well as new standards, expectations, and strategies to augment those days when we are not getting lucky...
But watching u try to piece together how a solo pug player thinks & plays with only a week into this...ur going to have to do it for much much longer and then ull get the pros for playing this way (not having to rely on a guild or 19 other player's schedules or having to conform to a guild's standards and being able to play YOUR way is refreshingly...FREE-ing if that makes any sense).
Id sometimes prefer to go with my guild, but ive also burnt out on raid leading a team with a mix of good and bad players and its not always fun. solo lyfe has its downsides but DEFINITELY has its up sides - its about wat u want from the game and of course solo players are going to give feedback to the devs to make the game more solo friendly because they dont want to go back to some cancerous guilds and have adopted a new style of play.
Everything eventually does come to an end...even my favorite guilds and raid teams eventually disband as is life so i dont bother trying SUPER hard to get into the perfect guild anymore - just enjoy my time with the game; and thanks to lfr & dungeon finder- i dont feel left out in those years when im NOT trying for mythic achievements.
"Challenge is its own Reward" is what i say or at least the prestige can also be the reward, but challenge for challenge's sake, not because it's the way its meant to be played.
I really love this series preach, although i'm a bit late to the party on it. I haven't raided (not competitively, i mean not a single raid) since patch 4.1 of cataclysm. I only played PVP in most of cata and all of mop, didn't play wod, and played legion very casually, i never ran M+ or did anything beyond LFR except maybe the off normal/hc run on non-current content. I think i'm going to spend BFA trying to get into raiding and progress my character like you are now, except I will have no idea what i'm doing and will have to learn how all of these things work now from essentially scratch. Should be an interesting experience. If it goes very south, I guess i can always flee back to my old friend pvp or go to classic when it comes out.
I've just been through this process myself took me about 3 weeks to get to 950 ilvl from 865 which I just got yesterday from normal ABT run. I haven't had as bad time as you but I hardly done any mythic+. I've just came back from a long break after I cleared TOV hc. Came back my guilds totally changed and I don't know 99% of the people in it any more so solo play was my only my choice. The ilvl requirements are a pain in the ass, if anyone looked at my achiv they would have seen I've cleared nearly every raid since wrath on normal(pre-wod)/heroic(post-wod) when they were current content but no one will invite because you have low ilvl. Blizzard need to implaiment a way to view a players skill lvl in game with out ilvl or external sources. Hoping to get my curve today if not before reset then off to take a break till bfa pre patch.
Great series! I agree that your suggested goal seems reasonable.. And again, great series. I click it immediately when I see the new vids.
man, this series is gold. I don't play wow for almost 2 years now and I can't wait to see it all.
My character name is Pally and obviously I’m a paladin. So I get referred to my name quite often lol :)
I Love this series, this was me on Draenor, I managed to find a good guild by the start of Legion almost at the same time I found your guides Now I'm tanking in a 5/11 Mythic guild
And the best part is having friends to play with!
This series has been awesome!
Yeah change the goal to the “do wtf I like”
Top vids Preacher 👍🏻
Thank you so much for this series, it has been a godsend 🙏
You are awesome, thank you
Go for it. This whole experiment should be drained for as much as it can. It’s good insight to the wow community. Do as much s you can :)
I agree with what's been said that you should put in a "tutorial" about where a new player can pick up a lot of the knowledge that you have. I really like the series, but let's face it. Your game knowledge, which you've picked up across years of playing WoW, is helping you a LOT. How can a new player pick up this knowledge? How can a new player learn how to play their class and spec, and how to handle various boss and mythic+ mechanics?
I do agree, though, that your proposed new goal sounds like a better ending point than Ahead of the Curve would be. Having a character that can jump into most content (excluding mythic raids) at pretty much any time, and perform reasonably well, is the goal of most casual-ish players, after all.
I'm not sure how often a warlock changes their spec and how much difference these changes make to their playstyle, but I don't necessarily think that changing your build to the top builds from heroic raids is a good tip. It might help you maximize your DPS, but in other cases it might damage it. Back in the start of Legion, I went boomkin on my druid, because I'd tried feral with the recommended min-max builds and I absolutely hated it. However, roughly at the release of Argus, I tried a different spec, which uses Moment of Clarity in place of Bloodtalons and Brutal Slash in place of Savage Roar. Suddenly, I was outperforming what I'd ever done on my boomkin, even with worse trinkets, with a playstyle I found fun and interesting. I also had a much less complicated rotation, and two fewer buffs to keep up and buttons to press. Now, obviously, the feral druid specifically is at a bit of an odd place for this - with the optimal build, you have like 3-4 buffs and as many bleeds that all need to be kept up at all times, while your most powerful bleeds ALWAYS need to be buffed by Bloodtalons and your other buffs, or your damage plummets, and so on and so forth. The tiniest mistake ruins your DPS, and even a perfect playstyle gives a kinda noticeable, but still small, benefit over other builds. I don't know how major the difference between various builds is for a warlock... but my point is, as long as it doesn't completely ruin your damage, you should probably go for a build you enjoy, rather than a min/max-ed build designed to push your DPS past its potential as long as you play it perfectly. A new player isn't going to play a complicated spec perfectly. And if their spec and build are too complicated, they're more likely to change to a different spec, which they understand reasonably well, rather than try and maximize their performance in a build they likely do not enjoy playing.
Personally, I'd also be kind of interested in seeing this challenge completed with a tank and healer spec as well, to compare the difficulties and time spent. Obviously, that doesn't simulate being a new player very well - tanking and healing are skills new players need time to adapt to - but it would still be a fun viewing experience for casual or returning players.
Oh Preach, nobody cares for Keystone Master which can be bought. It is all about your raider.io score.
Alithia451 true
yep, maybe it's not fair but if people see a ~930 with keystone master 95% of them will think he bought it
Yep all about Mythic plus score
Alithia451 yep, we even have customers that are 2.2k score just from us boosting them only 2 or 3 dungeons a week lol
I agree with you Alithia. Anyone who is posting high keys and not looking at raider.io is having more headaches then needed.
Gym analogy spoke to my heart, when preach already speaks to my soul.
I'm enjoyin this series more than I thought I would... True its a little a jagged because you have knowledge of the game but what can you expect.
Your video has been an eye opener for me, in a way you would not expect. I cannot commit to a raiding schedule due to my work (my days off mix each week). So I have to raid like THIS, and it always a toss up from being a pain, to painless. I do not enjoy PVP and the "solo end game" is non existent outside of doing a weekly mythic plus. I really do not understand why I play this game. I miss being in a guild where the group activities are more enjoyable.
i really like your noobie series. i think you should do more :)
some things that get you the mentality of getting things done quick is that people don't like seating in queue for 6 hours a day because they don't have 6 hours a day.
i think most people come back from work and have like 1-2 hours of gaming and they want to do mythic+ and raids but they can't because of the time commitment.
and it all comes back to nostalgia because they used to game a lot more then 1-2 hours a day and now that they can't they are frustrated and don't want to invest in the game and they become what you saw as a "noobie"
I can't say I shared your experience in terms of when I was able to join consistent pugs. At 936 as a solo DPS I was completely unable to join a +15 or even a normal raid. What people seem to be looking for (and what I look for) is raider.io score. I can't blame people for doing it either because that seems to be the only reasonable indication of where someones competency is. You may find people who have low scores who are good, but you rarely find someone with a score 1800+ who really can't handle it. It's a safe pick most of the time. And as you mentioned in your last video, It's very easy right now to have a high ilvl character and have no ability to play at that level. You can buy AOTC and Keystone Master... So as many others have said, I would take an undergeared dps if they had a good score, rather than an over geared dps with no score.
I totally love this series. Keep up the awesome work!
I've been following along on my Warlock while you've done the project - I am 903 ilvl with only the legendary quest ring. (unlucky with drops I guess) and as someone who had been working 8-16 every day it really seemed to be...simple? Trying to not use friends or anything, no flying on this account, all it takes is being willing to grind and you can get up there, then you have to be willing to take charge and you'll get into higher mythics than you normally would. I even got into a normal mode antorus and we did everything.
I think it's interesting if this goes on until you've reached the point that you can join whichever groups you want, get curve and just have basically reached the "endgame" of the endgame.
to me this shows how quickly you can go from needing to get gear to needing to get a guild/solid group inorder to do content. sure a normal person might need a couple of weeks more just to learn the content properly.
while sure you can do heroic antorus and M15+ in a pug setting but that is clearly the point where you go from needing half the group to know what they are doing to a overwhelming majority know what they are doing.
i would say people expecting to do both easly in a pug setting ether needs very high ilvl or just needs to get a proper group of known good actors.
i used to lead a normal ICC 25 man pug clear group. sure not the hardest thing to do but the ammount of leadership and inspecting it took to build that group to get it clearing i might aswell just have started a guild since it is pretty much what you are doing. (this was on a alt i wanted gear on)
The joys of having a 4 letter character name. Its quick to write, so people use it :D
Keep this up! Maybe in BfA we will get a season 2? :D
I thought about what you said in terms of being referred to as your character name by people outside your guild. I don't really pug much but the most recent time was when I was on my main and someone joined the group, saw me, and said: "Oh Casimir's in here cool I've played with him before and he's a solid healer". I still remember it even though it was a few months ago because it made me feel really good and they thanked me at the end saying they were really strapped for a healer.
Awesome relevant modern content as standard fella.
I've been playing since alpha, retired from hardcore raiding since BC due to having children (only reason BT was imba). Was lucky enough to be in a high end raiding guild that tasted many satisfactory Silvermoon server firsts.
I have missed it and think what if only..... played ever since in the shadows just casually building up toons to cap.
With this project to hear 3hrs on normal raids pugging on four bosses (which is the world i could easily live in) does not entice me to come back to raiding. I cannot commit to set days and times due to growing up with a family (rightly so). Raiding was always the "golden thread" of endgame of wow, yet more and more its becoming a life wasting experiences....
I love the game but its needs something else, mythic plus was a good stab but hope for more with each xpac? Maybe btfa world pvp to bring back some fun times, time will tell hey!
Great vid man, I think I seriously need to look at how I’m playing the game. Love watching your videos!!
"nothing is close to 960" imagine he gets the head the only slot he wont replace cause bis leggo.
loving the series keep it going
Its really fun to watch you do these vids, as a loner in the wow universe it's interesting to see how you tackle and talk about all these issues you encounter. I hate the pug atmosphere and would love to skip it, but I see now that without it I can't experience content :/
try to get a guild fam is more fun
Loquendero Amv id love to. But imo "good" guilds are hard to find if you know what im saying. Got any good tips?
Why is that the conclusion you draw from this? he is trying to encourage you to find a guild, get out of the pug world. You dont have to put up with that to see content, get a guild.
Laptas as i said in the previous comment, its hard to find a "good" guild these days. And yes, my comment seems abit gloomy. I wish i had a guild and could have that sweet guildexperience. If you have a good tip for a guild id be happy to check it out! :)
Best series you made so far. Thanks.
Getting one full clear is a good point for the challenge, seeing as thats "everything there is to see", and where a lot of people probably would stop. At what point you get auto accepted is good too
This is a very entertaining series to watch. Really love what you doing. Im just disappointed it had to be a warlock. As a moonkin before I had so much trouble in the pug world before I hit 960 itemlevel. Gear scaling for boomkin and for some classes are realy hard. To do over a million on single targets with low itemlevel is really hard. Would have loved to see you do this challenge with a boomy
Love this series, it really shows how much this ilvl threshold/gatekeeping has made it into my own gameplay and made me more conscious about it. Started explaining more and my own runs became smoother as a result. Makes me wonder how much of this is caused by the LFD tool vs. when you had to make a name for yourself on the server by being good at the class you played. With Antorus Mythic becoming cross-realm would you consider pugging that as a milestone?
While I love this series and your comments regarding the experience, there's a big asterisk regarding this experience. Preach has tons of experience and knows *what* to do not only in leveling but also in dungeons and raids, a new player would struggle in the mythics and raids, at least initially. Not sure if this was addressed by preach or via comments, but I kind of wonder what this experiment would yield with a completely green character.
After long time I got back in the game. An just like your new character I'm in the same boat.
Guild basically died when I was away, we were never top raiding group, but there was HC progress.
So after just 3 months I have 3 930ilvl characters and no incentive to continue to play the game.
To low ilvl to get invited to finish higher keys, no achievement to try normal raids, that people stopped doing any way, and progress further.
I did manage to get in some kind guild few days back, and all that is left know to see will this help me out to do at least something else in this game besides WQ...
I do understand that people want to play alone and PUG world is enough for them, but that isn't and never was my play style.
So in my last stretch I will try to ether progress or just stop because, when you play with others, and experience that group progression and satisfaction after you kill boss or clear dungeon, playing with PUG just leaves bitter taste and game starts to become stale and tiresome.
I have loved this series so far and pretty much sums up my time in wow at the moment since my guild stopped raiding after nightold, and due to uni commitments I don't want to join a guild until I have finished in April, the solo play and ques are shite and every time you get a so called required achievement to join grps they bring out something else.
This downtime, was one of the reasons I quit. In a mythic guild- mains become boring outside of the weekly m15 and raid. And the experience you have is quite similar to the one I would have on alts. Which is where I would spend my time outside of the guild activities
I remember playing on my hunter during Wrath.
I was doing Naxx 10 with 8 other people, one of the dps had left. Nobody wanted to spend time on looking for a dps for the four horsemen.
When they looked at the dps meter, they noticed I was the lowest on dps.
But they didn't kick me, instead they gave me the job of tanking both of the horsemen at the back.
I did it perfectly, but we still wiped because they couldn't down the other horsemen.
The group fell apart after that wipe.
But it left a memory in my mind of actually getting an important job giving me a chance to shine even though I did the lowest dps.
I wonder if I ever experience something like this again, either as the person that gets the job or seeing someone else get it due to low dps.
It does show that in some cases, dps doesn't matter at all, as long as you can do the job it's all fine.
I say you should get curve, then gear to the point of "finding a mythic raiding guild", aka, get to the point of what you would look for in a mythic raider to be ready to go for progression
That will take weeks so I doubt it will be like this daily videos but maybe 1-2 weekly.
This has been a great series of invaluable information to inexperienced players. Kudos.
I had a blast in WoD from pugging heroic raids, it can be rough from time to time, but you eventually work up a roster of people who are solid, and make a ton of friends. More so if you don't mind leading the raid.
I spend a lot of time in the pug world, around the 15 - 17 key bracket. At least in my experience, myself and others who ask for raider.io and so on do actually check those. I generally choose members based on a mix of raid experience and past M+ experience, as well as alts (if they have any.) In my opinion raider.io is a fantastic tool to find good pugs, and it's served me well as I very rarely have a "bad" PUG.
Irony alert
You know what this game could use? Some kind of leveling system, where you could gradually get to know your class and face increasing challenges that are suited to your ability. This could be in the form of a number that represents your level, and it would grow together with the challenges, or demands, that you face and conquer. So, initially, those demands can be simple, like an NPC asking for something you need to get, or some mobs that she needs killed and stuff, but would progress in difficulty and rewards. Later, that would evolve to things that you can't really do alone, so you would need to ask other ppl for help and work together, communicating and really playing as a team.
Loving this series Preach! Although (at least from my perspective) when I do pug M+ I always write that I'll check raider.io, and I actually do lol and my pugs normally go very smoothly. I recently boosted a character as well, and you'll be surprised how much smoother the runs are when you get to 15+ (which you may already be experiencing). Sadly this just isn't possible below 15, since no good players are gonna bother with anything from like 11 - 14 because why would they when they can just farm 15+ dungeons, I build a good of very geared people with good scores and we absolutely smashed a +18 MoS yesterday, considering I was like 948 at the time I was definitely carried a bit haha :).
Edit: I'll turn people away even if they are geared if they have a shit score, I realise that's kinda of shitty but at the end of the day I want a smooth run.
I have an idea, this would involve a lot of time so feel free to throw it out.
You mentioned yourself that in the pug world you need to play by the pug rules.
I know you've not had much experience with M+ rating but maybe going for a decent M+ rating along with curve might be something to aim for, then your character can do whatever they like.
Otherwise I honestly think trying to join a guild once you've got your first goals done would be good, show how someone with nothing else on their account can just hop into a guild and can get themselves known.
Just ideas, great series anyway mate!
I think you've already proved two points. The primary point being that bettering yourself leads to greater opportunities within the game, instead of whining on a forum about the flaws in the game itself.
The second unintended point you've also proved is that this game is EXHAUSTING to play. Even if you're not a solo player, the amount of daily/weekly stuff we had to do over months to optimise our characters just to BE that better player consumed so much time - if you're a solo player it's even worse because you have to factor in all that time staring at a group finder.
But because all that optimisation is available, top players do it and have ridiculously efficient characters for smashing out content - medium and lower level players occasionally experience what it's like to have a player like that in their groups and after that all they can think about is how much easier it was, and all they're faced with is how much work it will be to make it to that level. They lose tolerance for lesser groups and they don't even play to have fun anymore, they're just grinding away to get to that next step.
I dunno, I play because I like punching internet dragons and a raid full of wipes is more interesting to me than a one and done clear. and I do everything in my power to make myself a better player, I'm not the target here. Loving the series though.
My suggestion would be if you could somehow find a way to join a heroic progression guild as a silent member. Don't inflate your item level too high to a point where you stand out, just stay slightly undergeared but performing at a level where you're a midpack player and show what it's like to actually work for your rewards.
This is a really great series just on the mythic +15 key thing there is an addon that shows how many 15keys youve actually completed this could be the reason why you not getting to groups even with the achivment
Awesome series! I'm really looking forward to the next few videos because i'm stuck in 945 without a curve and a chance to ever get into HC group. I'm curious how you're going to get yours done :) Also T21 4-piece is a quite good dps boost, you should get it ;) Thanks again for doing this.
One other thought that comes to mind is that not everyone IS going to play their class as well as you, and their performance in pugs may not shine as much. One thing I've learned is to "never lose confidence from your mistakes but always learn from them" (got that from a Star Trek poster). More than once I have seriously derped up a pug to where I could have had a crisis of confidence, but collected myself and got back in the saddle and bounced back with a very solid performance. Just something I would throw out to new players.
Fully support the idea of pushing it as far as it can go!
I remember solo playing Wrath. I wound up crafting some PVP purps to push GS, then swapped out when we started the dungeon. I had guildies to play with and we could always steam roll dungeons in blue/greens, but the rando experience was like this. Too much focus on gear not enough on learning
I love you for doing this. I think Communities in BFA will go a long way to help out in group making... I'm in a solid guild they do mythic progression, 2/11M so for heroic they are good not really mythic raiders, but they raid on workdays. I can't play that much during workdays so I raid on weekend and I usually have to pug heroic. We have social guild normal run. I managed two weekends in a row to make pug group i was lead off to do a full clear... But man was is hard and so much off putting down markers so fucking much... If i had somehow a place where i could inv people but not add them to battleswag cuz i don't really want 50-60 people on battleswag and that is how much u need to be able to make group from random people you met that know how to play the game.
Lol. I had curve for a while. After a few months I couldn't be arsed to even link it even though I had it because I didn't care that much. We all knew what they were really after and I was 960+ and knew I would get an invite either way.
Love what your doing.... I played vanilla. ....it is an eye opener. Best memory. The tank broke and ran away. We used my pet as the tank and barley made it
A lot of people like me who pug and pug and pug and pug without joining a guild mostly do so for a specific reason. I'm good at what I do, I know that. I've been playing the same class for 10 yrs now. I just know what I'm doing and I don't need to think about doing it too hard to do well. The issue is finding a good group or guild to run with. So a story about that.
During WotLK, I played a rogue (heh). I had 12 FPS... and I'd never been in an ICC group that ever killed more than Marrowgar. That was my life for almost a month. Go in at reset, kill Marrowgar, repeat. I then started thinking about joining a well known guild on my server, they were in the top 10 for raiding that expansion on that server. Filled out that application like I was trying to get into a 6-figure job. A day or so later I got a message telling me that my application was denied because my FPS and gear were too low. But I was an assassination rogue, I could outdps most pug groups with white daggers as long as I had my poisons on.
Well, I didn't get in, and I was crushed. I was never going to find a guild worth being in that would let me join. I rolled in at reset and sat in Dal looking for a pug to join. Boom, guy popped up in chat, his name was kinda familiar. They were looking for a rogue. I whispered him, "I'm a Rogue, my gear isn't amazing, but I can perform." A moment of silence, then that juicy invite came. Once I got into the group i realized why the guy's name looked familiar. He was the GM of the guild I had just tried to join, and this boys and girls, was their weekly alt run, and they needed a rogue for the traps. In about an hour and a half, they had killed up to Sindy in 25m. Some of those fights had even been Heroic because they considered them easy. I had never been past Marrowgar and here I was standing in front of Sindy. To top things off, I was the only leather-wearer in the group and all that had dropped the entire run was rogue gear. I literally replaced every single piece of gear except for my boots, cloak and bracers with 25m gear. My DPS went from 14k to 23k in the scope of an hour.
They went ahead and called it there for the night and I left the group. A few minutes later I got a whisper. "Hey, we really liked your performance, would you like to join our guild?" I joined the guild, joined their static, and raided with them for the rest of WotLK (the guild apparently imploded while I was in boot camp, as I came back to the guild no longer existing). It was quite litterally the most fun I've ever had in the game, and that remains true today. I'm not sure if it's different on EU, but finding a good guild isn't easy and most of the time, waaaaaay more trouble than it's worth. A good non-toxic, content clearing guild on NA is definitely part of a very small minority.
There are a lot of people like me pugging and pugging, hoping that they end up in a guild group that happens to like their performance enough to send them an invite.
Blizz enabled Antorus mythic for X-realm. I Think the new target must be Pugging Antorus Mythic up to imonar!
Great series I really like to stare into the abyss that is pugging. And the flashes of light that sometimes happen.
Hey preacher, Also remember most players will start the game as clickers. Now before the clicker hate remember I am a mythic raider and top 200 cutting edge as a clicker. I parse mostly orange and zero people know that I click. However, I have hit a brick wall and know the only way I can perfect my game play is doing key binds. I am not doing any clicking what so ever in BFA. Its all key binds and if I suck then I suck and I will get better as the expansion goes on but I know that months into BFA I will finally break through barriers I have not been able to as a clicker like 2k+ pvp rating. Changing to key bind as a clicker for 20+ years is extremely hard. It is also hard because I am a damn good player in cutting edge mythic raid guild as a hidden clicker. I know alot of the content is harder and I really have to know what is going on and what is going to get me killed and plan ahead.
I've no opinion on where you stop I liked the orginial goals. Just wanted to say good I'm loving this series
I feel like there's a couple of clear milestones you've hit, if you wanted to go the extra mile you could try to push towards a level 20-24 M+ dungeon cleared in time, work towards a proper full clear of heroic Antorus. I mean at the end of the day I feel like the goals of the challenge have been fulfilled. All that's really left is an hc clear or a raider.io m+ score push lol.