Can Ride Command Work On Indian Scout? | Wrecked 2022 Indian Chief Rebuild Pt. 5
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- 💭 If you've ridden a Scout, you've probably wanted to know whether cruise control or Ride Command functions were possible. While I don't have a Scout to test on, I do go over how Ride Command works on the 2022 Indian Chief and what's needed to possibly get it to work on Scout or other Thunderstroke models.
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If we consider that the list price of parts is generally about 3 times their cost, this indicates that a factory Ride Command equipped "premium" version of the Scout, with cruise control, and everything except perhaps ride modes, should be possible with a price increase of only a little over a thousand dollars. Now, that's a premium package I would actually buy.
Should I get another Indian Scout and test out this theory?
Yes. Absolutely.
And maybe a Springfield...😊
If it may work on a scout, any chance it'll work on brother Octane?
I'm skeptical. Is the scout software, firmware all the same with the bike the RC came off of? Like u said, would the scout modules be aware of a display....
What if the scout us display ready but the displays emselves were not. Then maybe it would work.
Seems like something an honest Indian tech or engr could answer w/o putting too much money into it.
Scout has different firmware, but the speedometers use a 16-pin connector like Chief's ride command. If you can match the wiring, it could work. And most Indian techs won't know the answer because they go by the book. An engineer probably won't answer that lol.
Scout could already be display ready. If you wiring up the ride command the same as to the speedo wiring on Scout, Power to Power, Can To Can, etc. It very well could work and then it's just mounting the GPS (which plugs into ride command and not the ECM) on the bike somewhere. And, mounting the ride command to the handlebar somehow. Obviously, I'm very curious about this haha.
I always thought it would be cool if the scout had some of the updated features some of the bigger bikes do. Maybe not all, but some. I ride a 2016 Scout and it would be cool to have some more of the modern technology on it. I do like the old fashioned odometer, but some updating would be cool to see. It also might make some owners upgrade to the newer models.
Good video topic! Something else I have questioned is the parts from the FTR. One part in particular is the cruise control from the FTR to the Scout Bobber Twenty. An electronic CC is available from McCruise in Australia and is a supposed to be a suburb product but love having options!
Really cool. Great explanation Brandon!
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As an aside - I think it should be an absolute no brainer to introduce the ride command to the Springfield. Especially the more modern designed dark horse. Come on Indian!
Agreed. I'd think it would be on all touring models after the buzz with Chief. It could be they're keeping it analog for the older crowd too. But, they could just offer it in a higher trim like Chief/FTR.
@@BrandonBicasso I think Springfield is supposed to be less bells and whistles for that crowd that doesn't want all of that. I would still love it if they made it a possible accessory though because I want a Springfield, and I'd also love to be able to have/use that display. Especially if I get a Dark Horse Springfield. I'm not worried about how well GPS works though. I want to get, and use, some motorcycle maps from Butler, and kind of get around a bit old school that way. I'd probably use my phone and Google maps for the more turn by turn to get to a camp site sort of thing though.
@@BrandonBicasso agreed on both accounts.
Love what they did with that new 101 Scout….now waiting fer them to come to their senses and offer an optional analog speedo/tach
You can buy the analog tach and remove the digital screen. No different than buying another exhaust, foot pegs, seat etc. Plug and play. Still has cruise control, fuel gauge, power modes and traction control with the analog.
With the release of the new 2025 scout models, you were on to something here.
I tried to make it work as well, but don’t have the necessary tools to get it to successfully work.
I just didn't have the bike at the time to try it. I spoke to an engineer about it for '25 Scout. Said it could work with some wiring swaps. It's just a display that takes information from the ECM so you could wire a different one to it if you wanted. You just won't get cruise control and the modes. That info isn't written into the ECM so you'd have to rewire the bike to get that.
What if we swapped the ECU or flashed the older one?
I’m thinking about the cost. I would rather spend the money on my 22 bobber. 1) It’s paid off. 2) It only has 1500 miles on it. 3) It’s an ICON ABS with the vin 190101. So, I would rather spend the money on swapping an ECU, wiring harness and speedo instead of forking over $16,000 plus, plus.
You'd need an aftermarket ECM like Haltech or MaxxECU and rewire each sensor on the bike. Everything is there for cruise control. ABS, wheel speed sensor, electronic throttle and body, cluth/brake sensor. Indian ECMs use the VCM for cruise control to work and Scout pre '25 doesn't have that. I dunno on the cost but I'm studying the wiring to try and get ride command on my Scout. The first 5 wires (on the speedo) between Chief/Scout are the same. (CAN High, CAN Low, Switched Power, Instrument Fuse out, Ground) Oil Pressure, Fuel Light, High Beam and Mode button aren't. Other than the oil pressure on another pin on Chief, the other stuff is sent over the CAN bus. (Diag, Nav, maybe?, Fuel Guage) What I don't know is if Scout/Chief are sending the same stuff over CAN, but they do send similar stuff like turn signals, speed, rpms from the ECM to the speedo. I did put my Scout speedo on Chief last night and while it powers on, it doesn't do anything beyond that. (I don't have a fob programmed so couldn't put the pin in) Still researching it.
Thanks again. Looking forward to more of your content. Keep up the good work!
Did you had a chance to test it on a Scout? I am REALLY interested, no matter the cost... If the speed, rpm and the basic indicators are shown it is a big win. I already enlarged the tank so if it works, I can try to fit in the tank the Chief fuel level detection system and see if it works.
I didn't. Don't have access to a Scout. Depending on which Scout model you have, wires will have to be spliced off the main harness. The speedo harness doesn't disconnect like the Chief's harness.
@@BrandonBicasso I have the 2021 Scout Bobber. Well, I don't have a Chief ride command speedometer, but I will gladly pay for a solution, if it really works :)...
If you'll ever get a scout and you'll be able to test it, please share the results. Thanks!
The ECM on the Scout does not send the same data out at all. It is a much simpler fuel map system, rather than a full controller. I think a better solution would be someone who has an ODB2 interface to a head unit. That would be pretty cool, and almost all the data is available over ODB2.
It has to send out a fuel light indicator, speed, engine speed, miles, engine codes and other basic info. People didn’t think Chief would work without the ride command so it’s an open idea at this point. The ECM is a different Bosch model so it wouldn’t work anyway but with enough effort anything is possible. Depends on whether it’s worth it.
I would think it would be easier on a Springfield for sure! It's just a chieftain without the faring. Wiring harness and ecu are probably the same
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On the Scout it is limited space under the seat compared to the other bigger bike. I added multiple add ons and some things had to have terminal removed soldered together with one terminal. That will be the challenge with the scout space.
I’d love to have a Ride Command on my Springfield but I don’t have the $3000 to be the first attempt and not being sure that it will work. I’ll wait to see if Brian R. converts his ‘18 before I make the jump...
If you can get the screen to work, I'd think the rest could too! If someone brings me a Springfield, it wouldn't take much to try. I may see if I can fiddle with it on the Chieftain I have.
@@BrandonBicasso As I was changing a light bulb on my Springfield, I noticed that it had a 16 pin connector in the nacelle that must have been for the Chieftain fairing. I assume that they both use the same wiring harness. I’m not sure if the 17 Chieftain had the fancy display or just the old digital type.
It you figured this out, I'll do this for my Rogue.
Would be game changing
Easy answer no
Complicated answer it could. But the ecm programming would also need to be different along with sensors.
For all the other pieces yes, just to get the display to work.. I think it's less complicated. Granted, I need a bike to try it on.
@@BrandonBicasso well im talking with Technical experience as a vehicle technician and the understanding how all these systems work.
I’ve been wondering about this ever since I got my Scout Bobber. I don’t see why it couldn’t work 🤷🏽♂️
The screen and GPS can definitely work. Everything else, nah. I've been researching the cruise control idea (Between Chief and Scout), but the ECMs from Bosch are different. Will have to dig deeper on it.
I don’t think it’ll work, as you said the ride command screen simply receives its info from the ECM on the chief. The ECM on the Chief is far more capable than the scout ECM. The scout ECM isn’t even capable of storing the mileage information, it depends on the scout speedometer for that. I do know however the while the scout ECM is not capable of storing the mileage, it is capable of cruise control. If Indian would just update the hand controls on the scout, you can pretty much be guaranteed the next iteration of scout hand controls, will allow cruise control. I’d also guess to say they may be able to sell the updated hand controls as another one of their expensive accessories, and make cruise possible on the older scouts.
Somewhat off topic, I want to put the factory analog tach kit made for a Scout on my FTR1200 base model. The speedometers look identical however Indian doesn’t say it will work on FTR. I’m not worried about fitment, just wiring. The kit harness just plugs into the tach on one end and the diagnostics plug on the other. Any thoughts, looks like you know more than the average bear!
It may not work directly, but splicing a few wires into the harness could get it to work. The ride command was said to not work on FTR and someone got it to work before it was officially put on as a standard option.
Well i guess they heard us all and now got that on the new scouts
I've been waiting for someone to experiment with this.......
I need to know more about the FTR conversion as I’ve been wanting to do this to my FTR. This screen is what the FTR’s ride command should have been.
Here ya go. instagram.com/p/CaAWf32Bzv8/?igshid=NDRkN2NkYzU=
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Lol, I’d have to shut the channel down if I did that 😂. Can’t keep the lights on.
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Hi! please tell me if the speedometer from the Indian Scout 2019-2023 will fit the 2016 model (Indian scout sixty)?
I would say yes, but I really love the analog needle. If I ever get one of the Indian bikes that has the digital display, but also has the physical analog option, I am going to choose analog. Indian has a perfectly good phone app for the rest of that.
P.S. I only have time for half of the video at the moment, but I will watch the rest at my lunch break.
No worries Fam. I feel you on the analog! I'm glad there's a choice still for those that want it.
agreed, i prefer analog. But the digital "analog" needles the ride command has would fulfill my needs.
When Indian upgrades the Scout to be on a level with a Harley Sportster S Except for the ridiculous suspension the Scout could have all the tech of the larger Indians making the older models retroactive probably not financially feesible
Might not be feasible. For someone who's willing to get their hands dirty, it can be a fun rewarding project.
Question i am replacing my bars with taller ones and i need to diconnect the ride command but one of the plugs seems hard to diconnect, its got a red clip on it that moves up and down, any idea how this connector comes off?
Pull the red clip away from the ridecommand. It snaps in. Using a screwdriver makes it easier. Then you can press and release it. Sorry for getting back so late.
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Awesome info man. Two questions. Do the Scout and the Chief use the same diameter handle bars (for the grip controls) and will the ride command bolt up to where the Scout speedo mounts?
Not sure on the bar diameter. The Chief may be slightly bigger. The ride command uses a different handle bar mount. That’s why I wish I had a Scout to really compare.
@@BrandonBicasso Indian needs to step up and give you a Scout
Very informative.
Always trying to spread some Knawledge.
*Nice to see someone tinkering.* I imagine the Ride Command is just software so it needs to be installed on the ECU to work. I'm surprised it gets GPS from a cellular transmitter. Map software from '06 used a USB antenna to pick up GPS signals - no cell towers needed.
They should off a kit from the factory for a universal kit
I agree. The wiring is very close.
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Where can you get a ride command replacement?
Indianmotorcycle.com service parts section.
So anywhere from 3500$ - 5000$ option for a scout if it was actually offered maybe someone could just make an aftermarket ecu for the scout that could accept the ride command?
Maybe not on the higher side since parts cost more individually. $3500 sounds about right though.
Springfields have cruise control, but only riding modes form 2017 and up. My 2016 does not have modes :)
Right! First year they introduced the modes on ThunderStroke. Thanks for clarifying 🤟🏾
@@BrandonBicasso no probs 👌
My 17 doesn’t have ride modes. The 18 is the first with modes.
What Ed to find out do you think that that new ride command would plug and play into a 2019 FTR 1200S?
I think it will. Ride command enabled bikes to Ride command enabled bikes is easier. It has all the tech inside to use all the features.
Also, there’s a custom FTR out there with Chief’s ride command screen on it. I shared it somewhere in the comments.
I'd like to know if I could swap in Ride Command on my regular Chief. I imagine it's just installing the parts, and the left controls for media.
If it’s a 2022, absolutely. Just need the extra pieces.
@@BrandonBicasso that’s exciting. These videos have been great as they have basically turned into and instruction video on how to work in my bike should I ever need to replace anything. It was also great to learn that the bike history isn’t stored in the display.
Are there any modern Indian bikes that have ride command, but also a physical key? I remember my Indian demo rides, all the bikes that had ride command had a fob without a physical key. So there's a good chance the bike wouldn't even run if the ride command was telling the ecu there is no key(fob), even if 6ou were able to adapt the wiring harnesses
The ride command is just a display. It doesn't tell the ECM anything security related (to my knowledge). The WCM controls security and sends info to the ECM on whether a fob is present. If not, it displays the pin code screen (my assumption the ECM is sending that to show on screen). Remember, you can ride a Chief without the ride command screen so it's not required. If the fob is there, the WCM sends a signal to the ECM saying everything is good and to allow the fuel pump, etc. to go.
Also, no modern Indians with ride command and a key ignition. I have a video explaining this a bit more on how the security works because one of the Chiefs doesn't have a fob. Should be up in a few days.
Thanks for the video! Any info on the FTR conversion you mentioned or how well that went?
This is all I have. instagram.com/p/CaAWf32Bzv8/?igshid=NDRkN2NkYzU=
Thank you!
I would love to see if this could work on a Springfield as well.
Would be easier on the Springfield since it has Cylinder Deact., Power Modes and a big touring wiring harness/bar controls.
@@BrandonBicasso Something to try when you rebuild a Springfield after these Chiefs. 😉
I would love to have this on my 2021 Vintage Dark Horse! I’d pay the 2k-3k to get it done even. I don’t think it would fit in place of the current speedometer but if it did that would be amazing.
It would need some modification to fit in that area, but not impossible.
Well dang…… if only I would have bought a Scout instead, I woulda gladly lent it to ya to test your theory 😮
I might just buy another ; )
@@BrandonBicasso out of curiosity I checked and the one miss Amanda Bramble had is already sold…….now that Scout was a lil BEAST!
@@soganoflarider I only buy wrecked now anyway :)
Seriously, try to put that thing on a scout. would be awesome if that could work, then i might justify getting a rogue instead, and save myself 10k by ditching the chief.
Well, even if I got it to work, I’d still pick Chief over Scout. But if I have the opportunity, I will try it!
@@BrandonBicasso Cool! Curious to why you prefer the chief? Im soon getting my licence, so sadly i havent tried em yet. Love the look on the Chief though.
The size of it compared to Scout along with the ability to upgrade the motor. ThunderStroke is very fun to work on.
The wiring and the software won’t work. Or atleast that’s what I’m expecting.
I’ve heard people try it out on the forums and their dealerships said it wouldn’t work. But that’s hearsay.
I've had techs not know you can start Chief without the screen lol. I do know you will probably have to splice wires on a Scout's wiring harness because the speedo harness isn't detachable like Chief. They both use a 16-in connector tho. If Scout's ECM says this is power, this is CAN etc. Matching it to the same connectors on the Ride Command can work. Dang I wish I had a Scout to try this on haha.
you are about to piss Indian off! 😂😂😂
It’s cool when they do it, it’s a problem when I do it! 😂
@@BrandonBicasso exactly!!!!! 😉 I’m a brand new Chief Darkhorse owner in part because of you, partly because of the ride command option. Thank you for how you rock with the community.
I guess Indian was paying attention 😁
I will say it will not work, on any bike that was made in a year before the ride command came out. Consider the RC the "next gen". But who has $1800 to just throw at something that is unknown? Im sure the older ECU's don't have the data output the RC's need to work correctly.
Yeah, I’m not sure. But, it’s all 1/0s so there’s always potential.
So the answer was maybe? I don’t get this video.
Spend the $700 on the screen and splice your wires to find out. The point was explaining how it all worked.
Now I see why bikes are so expensive.
i have a scout that needs ride command ☺️ jus sayin ......
Of course lol
@@BrandonBicasso so that's a yes? love u man 😁🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️
No idea then. lol.
Yeah, it's a lot of work to make it work for the majority. It's possible tho.
My GPS has been failing on my 22 chief. Does not do turn by turn it freezes up on the first turn and just buffers never working really frustrating. Have to pull over. Trying to figure out where I’m going. I’m gonna get killed because of it. Deep lose Indian!
I’ve had that happen before. You can check in the settings if there are updates available.
@@BrandonBicasso fully updated and still not working. On my 10K service I’ll have the dealer take a look. They said last time the update would fix it, which doesn’t seem to have worked
Yeah, I’ve had it ghost routes and do a few other weird things before while in traffic. 😬 Been vocal about its issues before.