At the marathon, take the shoe that is stable enough with enough bounce and light as possible. I loved the AlphaFly V2 until about 32k and then I started to feel the weight and water soaked feet. But running a marathon on a very hilly course in a post tropical storm is NOT IDEAL! LOL This is where I'm hoping the AlphaFly V3 is going to be the perfect marathon shoe...for me. All the major brands need to work on their weight for their targeted marathon racers, they have had enough time to get their foams right to catch-up to ZoomX. We need a more level playing field for shoes, so then it comes down to the best shoe for each of our unique feet, and not feeling like you have to settle for a lesser product.
I have the rebel v4 and sc elite v4. Both midsoles need approx. 30 mile break-in. I just crossed 30 miles in the elite v4 and they feel amazing. Very comfortable at all paces and more bouncy now than they were out of the box.
Thanks man that's great to know - planning to do a 20+ long run in these within the next few weeks so they should be broken in after that. It's weird because I've never had a 100% PEBA shoe that needed break in before
Would love to hear adios pro 3 vs tyr valkerie comparisons. I prefer the less squishy 6mm drop of the adios pro 3 over vaporfly. the tyr looks to have a far better upper! Was a fan of the speed 3 as well except the horrible achilles slant/dig in design.
Hum very intersting, I think we are all fooled that the NB sc elite v4 would feel much softer and squishy than before, cause on video the compression makes it look so nice and comfy like a cloud.
Any shoes (super or otherwise) that fit the 3:30 - 4hr paces are well received. No point wasting money on a super shoe that doesn’t work at your effective pace.
NB is the only brand to offer a racer in a wide fit. Part of me wonders whether I should just race in a plated trainer, gives me more options, as many brands accommodate wider feet in their trainers (I'm Regular heel, 2E midfoot w high arches and 4E toe splay. 1080 Extra wide fits me well. Triumph wide was also a decent fit). I haven;'t got my speed back yet, and am not quite ready for a full marathon race (training for a half, hoping to get it back below 1:30).
Just got the NB V4 and took it for 11mi at marathon pace..much better than V3 which goes flat within a mile for me..V4 isn't quite as nice upper as V3 but feels about the same squishy and rolls smooth thru the foot strike..the V4 and the rocket x2 feel much alike at step in but not alike when running..for me the V4 feels faster and smoother and takes less effort to make her go..the only one I haven't tried that interests me this year is the Puma fastr V2..V1 is still the best upper I ever raced in..
I was wondering, next time you do a long run. please take into consideration when you have tired legs how the NB fares compares to all the supershoes.Example cielo X1. Alpha fly and so forth. Thanks
agreed- I'd like to see a head to head comparison between TYR and Endorphin Pro 3... now that the TYR discount brings it down to the same price (thanks). I'm also interested in learning about the Endorphin Pro 4 coming up. I'm ready to stash a couple pairs of Pro 3 (likely discounted) if Pro 4 is not much better. I get easily excited over these things😅
Just from my outside observation, the NB seems to have more of a long, sloping rocker, like the Mach 5 or More v4, where the TYR has a shorter, sharper forefoot rocker, more like the Metaspeed Sky+ or the Hyperion Max. With the sharper rocker, I feel like, as soon as I hit that pivot point, I'm rolling forward really fast.
Great video! Considering the TYR. I am a heavier runner because I strength train a lot as well. I also have wide feet. So Nike's are out. What do you think between the Tyr or the new Hoka cielo. Thanks. Also, which New Balance shoe would you recommend between the SC trainer and the 1080v13. Thanks
TYR Valkyrie has a much more traditional running shoe feel and the Cielo X-1 feels super tall and rockered. Running warehouse measured the stack on the Hoka at 46mm in the heel, 39mm in the forefoot (it comes in under the 40mm legal limit for the pros due to the way the heel is measured officially, but it feels like that 46 for sure). The TYR feels more normal to run in but the Hoka gives more speed assistance from the super bouncy foam and rocker. TYR has better stability and is lighter weight - will probably have a bit better durability from the rubber coverage and beaded PEBA (I usually get 300 miles from that in Saucony's shoes). I would suggest the Hoka if you only want something for racing a marathon and the TYR if you want something to train in and race in - it would be great to pair with the 1080 and you could use the TYR for long runs with marathon pace and speedwork. SC trainer v2 is great as well but i prefer running my relaxed days in non-plated shoes and the 1080 is a better option for that
I think I would rather choose the racer from New Balance before the TYR shoe 🤔 But for racing and tempo workouts I‘m trusting my good old Vaporfly next%2. Of course for racing and tempo workouts I wear different pairs of the Vaporfly next%2 😃 Maybe I will change my mind about down the river but for now it works for me very well 🙌 In the next hour I will find out if my right leg fully recovers from what ever or I have to rest more time 😃 Wish me luck ✌️🔥😍
@@supwell A question then comes to my mind. Why wouldn’t you wear the Next%2 for a full marathon? I ran three full and one half marathon in them and on every event they did almost a better job than me 😂 I would love to hear opinion about it why you choose the way choose in terms of the use for the Next%2 😃
@@pranayama-running-Jendrikvaporfly 2 is definitely a good choice for the marathon - I prefer a little more cushion and stability for the marathon, so I chose the endorphin pro 3 for my last one. Still not sure what I'll be racing in for my next marathon
@@supwell interesting 😃 I think I will run in my next%2 as long as their‘re good in this and next year because this carbon fiber plate racers aren’t that cheap 😄 So I don’t buy a new pair when one of them are still good to go 😍 But of course I‘m standing in front of the question someday if I stay with Nike or try another brand like Saucony or New Balance 🤔 Because in my eyes that are the two brands right now are rocking the running market and not only with top of the chain racers. The whole variety of their shoes are so awesome 🙌 I mean you‘re experiencing it first hand 🙏
I did feel the effort was a bit easier on the set that I did in the TYRs because I was warmed up already but there's no way I was at a 145 bpm at that pace - that's a watch tracking error. This COROS heart rate monitor is great sometimes and completely off other times. I don't train by heart rate but I may need to strap on the chest strap next time for more accurate data for these comparisons
That's a super fun shoe but not as stable as these two, a bit of that softer, easier to compress foam like the Nike ZoomX/old version of fuelcell and a more aggressive forefoot rocker feel than either of these. More comfortable for everyday training paces than the SC Elite v4 - almost felt like an SC trainer v2 at my warmup paces and then shifted character and came alive for faster running. Really good rubber coverage on the Gara as well - took them on a light trail for the first run and they were great. Upper runs a bit long and narrow in the Gara and lockdown didn't feel as clean as in the TYR. Still need to do a 20+ mile long run in the Gara so stay tuned for another update after that
Thanks for that comprehensive response. I expected no less from a fellow Carolinian (I'm in Greensboro)! Do you attribute the relative instability more to platform narrowness (if any) or to the midsole foam?
hahah i love it! and both - the platform on the gara is a little narrower and foam is a little softer than the tyr and new balance. but it's still more stable than a shoe like the vaporfly; it's just that the sc elite v4 and tyr are two of the best racers for stability @@johnwhitesides566
Great videos man. TYR carbon shoe is like 60% off in India costing about 100 bucks. I am a brand new runner who is pretty tall (6'3 190 lbs) and have a slight overpronation on the left feet. I have a 10K coming up. Should I grab these shoes for raceday and speed workout or stick with my Tempus for everything. I am not a fast runner by any means. I run like 11 min miles on my speedy days.
I would love to see more content on the hoka. Last video I saw with them in it, I think you were saying that might be up there for one of your favorites. I’ll be using my vaporfly 2 for a marathon in March as it’s getting too close to race day to try a different shoe like the hoka but I’ll be running another in October. I don’t know what to pick yet
Love the content, nobody puts in miles like you. If you are getting rid of those size 10 SC Elite's... I'll take them lolol.
thank you! and i wish i could but unfortunately i need to send the 10s back to them
I've been loving this new style of yowana outdoor videos
thanks! 🙌🏽
I thought the jack Daniels work out involved a lot of drinking and getting drunk 🤣
Fuel with a bottle of Jack Daniel’s and run run run. 😊
At the marathon, take the shoe that is stable enough with enough bounce and light as possible. I loved the AlphaFly V2 until about 32k and then I started to feel the weight and water soaked feet. But running a marathon on a very hilly course in a post tropical storm is NOT IDEAL! LOL This is where I'm hoping the AlphaFly V3 is going to be the perfect marathon shoe...for me.
All the major brands need to work on their weight for their targeted marathon racers, they have had enough time to get their foams right to catch-up to ZoomX. We need a more level playing field for shoes, so then it comes down to the best shoe for each of our unique feet, and not feeling like you have to settle for a lesser product.
I have the rebel v4 and sc elite v4. Both midsoles need approx. 30 mile break-in. I just crossed 30 miles in the elite v4 and they feel amazing. Very comfortable at all paces and more bouncy now than they were out of the box.
Thanks man that's great to know - planning to do a 20+ long run in these within the next few weeks so they should be broken in after that. It's weird because I've never had a 100% PEBA shoe that needed break in before
@@supwell I know, and it very well could be in my head, but it feels very similar to how the Rebel v4s foam changed after some use.
Would love to hear adios pro 3 vs tyr valkerie comparisons. I prefer the less squishy 6mm drop of the adios pro 3 over vaporfly. the tyr looks to have a far better upper! Was a fan of the speed 3 as well except the horrible achilles slant/dig in design.
Hum very intersting, I think we are all fooled that the NB sc elite v4 would feel much softer and squishy than before, cause on video the compression makes it look so nice and comfy like a cloud.
Any shoes (super or otherwise) that fit the 3:30 - 4hr paces are well received.
No point wasting money on a super shoe that doesn’t work at your effective pace.
NB is the only brand to offer a racer in a wide fit. Part of me wonders whether I should just race in a plated trainer, gives me more options, as many brands accommodate wider feet in their trainers (I'm Regular heel, 2E midfoot w high arches and 4E toe splay. 1080 Extra wide fits me well. Triumph wide was also a decent fit). I haven;'t got my speed back yet, and am not quite ready for a full marathon race (training for a half, hoping to get it back below 1:30).
Just got the NB V4 and took it for 11mi at marathon pace..much better than V3 which goes flat within a mile for me..V4 isn't quite as nice upper as V3 but feels about the same squishy and rolls smooth thru the foot strike..the V4 and the rocket x2 feel much alike at step in but not alike when running..for me the V4 feels faster and smoother and takes less effort to make her go..the only one I haven't tried that interests me this year is the Puma fastr V2..V1 is still the best upper I ever raced in..
I was wondering, next time you do a long run. please take into consideration when you have tired legs how the NB fares compares to all the supershoes.Example cielo X1. Alpha fly and so forth. Thanks
Definitely - long run test video of the hoka cielo x1 is coming soon. Will do one of the sc elite v4 as well
I’d like to see the Deodoras compered to the vaperfly 3 or something similar to them. I like soft bouncy shoes and the deodoras looked nice and soft
Yeah for sure - stay tuned for that comparison
@@supwell thanks I will look forward too that 😃
TYR sounds like the the Endorphin Pro 3.
agreed- I'd like to see a head to head comparison between TYR and Endorphin Pro 3... now that the TYR discount brings it down to the same price (thanks). I'm also interested in learning about the Endorphin Pro 4 coming up. I'm ready to stash a couple pairs of Pro 3 (likely discounted) if Pro 4 is not much better. I get easily excited over these things😅
Yup for larger runners.
Man.. really Lookin for TYR X Saucony. Valkyrie X pro 3 x pro 4.
Just from my outside observation, the NB seems to have more of a long, sloping rocker, like the Mach 5 or More v4, where the TYR has a shorter, sharper forefoot rocker, more like the Metaspeed Sky+ or the Hyperion Max. With the sharper rocker, I feel like, as soon as I hit that pivot point, I'm rolling forward really fast.
yeah great observation - that is spot on
Stack is for size US 9.
The new balance sc elite V4 has just 4mm drop that does not push you forward like a Vaporfly..
Great video! Considering the TYR. I am a heavier runner because I strength train a lot as well. I also have wide feet. So Nike's are out. What do you think between the Tyr or the new Hoka cielo. Thanks. Also, which New Balance shoe would you recommend between the SC trainer and the 1080v13. Thanks
TYR Valkyrie has a much more traditional running shoe feel and the Cielo X-1 feels super tall and rockered. Running warehouse measured the stack on the Hoka at 46mm in the heel, 39mm in the forefoot (it comes in under the 40mm legal limit for the pros due to the way the heel is measured officially, but it feels like that 46 for sure). The TYR feels more normal to run in but the Hoka gives more speed assistance from the super bouncy foam and rocker. TYR has better stability and is lighter weight - will probably have a bit better durability from the rubber coverage and beaded PEBA (I usually get 300 miles from that in Saucony's shoes). I would suggest the Hoka if you only want something for racing a marathon and the TYR if you want something to train in and race in - it would be great to pair with the 1080 and you could use the TYR for long runs with marathon pace and speedwork. SC trainer v2 is great as well but i prefer running my relaxed days in non-plated shoes and the 1080 is a better option for that
@supwell Thanks. Keep up the great work! Really enjoying your videos.
I think I would rather choose the racer from New Balance before the TYR shoe 🤔 But for racing and tempo workouts I‘m trusting my good old Vaporfly next%2. Of course for racing and tempo workouts I wear different pairs of the Vaporfly next%2 😃 Maybe I will change my mind about down the river but for now it works for me very well 🙌 In the next hour I will find out if my right leg fully recovers from what ever or I have to rest more time 😃 Wish me luck ✌️🔥😍
I love the Vaporfly 2! Best half marathon racing shoe
@@supwell A question then comes to my mind. Why wouldn’t you wear the Next%2 for a full marathon? I ran three full and one half marathon in them and on every event they did almost a better job than me 😂 I would love to hear opinion about it why you choose the way choose in terms of the use for the Next%2 😃
@@pranayama-running-Jendrikvaporfly 2 is definitely a good choice for the marathon - I prefer a little more cushion and stability for the marathon, so I chose the endorphin pro 3 for my last one. Still not sure what I'll be racing in for my next marathon
@@supwell interesting 😃 I think I will run in my next%2 as long as their‘re good in this and next year because this carbon fiber plate racers aren’t that cheap 😄 So I don’t buy a new pair when one of them are still good to go 😍 But of course I‘m standing in front of the question someday if I stay with Nike or try another brand like Saucony or New Balance 🤔
Because in my eyes that are the two brands right now are rocking the running market and not only with top of the chain racers. The whole variety of their shoes are so awesome 🙌 I mean you‘re experiencing it first hand 🙏
Looks your HR is quite a bit lower in the TYR??
I did feel the effort was a bit easier on the set that I did in the TYRs because I was warmed up already but there's no way I was at a 145 bpm at that pace - that's a watch tracking error. This COROS heart rate monitor is great sometimes and completely off other times. I don't train by heart rate but I may need to strap on the chest strap next time for more accurate data for these comparisons
Why didn't NB just send you a 10.5? It's like they don't trust your size request or something. 😜
He said in the video - they didn't have 10.5 available.
How would you slot the Diadora Gara relative to these two?
That's a super fun shoe but not as stable as these two, a bit of that softer, easier to compress foam like the Nike ZoomX/old version of fuelcell and a more aggressive forefoot rocker feel than either of these. More comfortable for everyday training paces than the SC Elite v4 - almost felt like an SC trainer v2 at my warmup paces and then shifted character and came alive for faster running. Really good rubber coverage on the Gara as well - took them on a light trail for the first run and they were great. Upper runs a bit long and narrow in the Gara and lockdown didn't feel as clean as in the TYR. Still need to do a 20+ mile long run in the Gara so stay tuned for another update after that
Thanks for that comprehensive response. I expected no less from a fellow Carolinian (I'm in Greensboro)!
Do you attribute the relative instability more to platform narrowness (if any) or to the midsole foam?
hahah i love it! and both - the platform on the gara is a little narrower and foam is a little softer than the tyr and new balance. but it's still more stable than a shoe like the vaporfly; it's just that the sc elite v4 and tyr are two of the best racers for stability @@johnwhitesides566
@@supwell Understood (I'm getting Alphafly 1 vibes?). I'll stay tuned for your long run review.
Me loving my Adios Pro 3, and has absolutely no interest in either shoe. Also me, oh Yowana posted a new video dope. Smh keep it up lol
😂🙌🏽
All shoe are manufactured in same factory… cause all feels the same
Looking forward to a TYR review like seeing more info on them.
Thanks for the content. Seems like my SC 4 foam changed for the better around 10-15 miles.
Great videos man. TYR carbon shoe is like 60% off in India costing about 100 bucks. I am a brand new runner who is pretty tall (6'3 190 lbs) and have a slight overpronation on the left feet. I have a 10K coming up. Should I grab these shoes for raceday and speed workout or stick with my Tempus for everything. I am not a fast runner by any means. I run like 11 min miles on my speedy days.
I would love to see more content on the hoka. Last video I saw with them in it, I think you were saying that might be up there for one of your favorites. I’ll be using my vaporfly 2 for a marathon in March as it’s getting too close to race day to try a different shoe like the hoka but I’ll be running another in October. I don’t know what to pick yet
Love the Vaporfly 2! That's my favorite half marathon shoe. Stay tuned for more on the hoka - I'm getting a long run in that one soon
What is considered a heavy runner for women? I’m 5’5 at 120. These shoes look awesome or would vapor flys be better. Thanks!
And what came to my mind when you holding the two shoes side by side is that the outsole of the TYR shoe looks like a real car tire 🛞😁👍
yes so true! the tread on it really does look like a tire - hopefully it's as grippy as tire rubber as well. still need to test it in the rain