hes mad because they were smart. they had a good idea and knew it would make money had it been given the opportunity. these "dragons" are exploiters of up and coming entrepreneurs for profit
That bit just seemed idiotic on their part. Like, are they seriously gonna expect every potential investor to go out for drinks with them and become best friends? That just sounds like an idiotic mindset when you're talking business.
@BeGood 2Me That might be true but Touker is a fenomenal dragon who deserves his spot on the show. He's my favorite dragon next to Deborah. Also, this is a tv show made for entertaining. It doesn't matter how successful you are in business, if you're not entertaining on screen you're out. Touker is entertaining AF.
As a drummer I found this to be more of a novelty than anything else. That said I just looked them up and the company in 2021 is now worth an estimated $10 million.
Im a drummer too - I agree its more of a novelty but I can imagine how many kids would get into drumming after receiving one of these for Christmas or a birthday. IMO it is best suited for kids who want to drum and parents who cant afford a kit or deal with the noise.
I’m not a drummer, but the first thing that struck me is that you’re not hitting anything and therefore not having any bounce for the sticks especially for the snare.
Yeah but when one of them says "Oh I have a music education business that could literally use this and make you millions" its like, how many of those are on the planet?
"We would like to take you home with us Peter, see if we're compatible, maybe get a bit freaky, before we know for sure that this partnership will work"
As a drummer my self as soon as I saw this on dragons den I went and orders some online and they are quality! Also Aerodrums are now in all the major music stores in the country so they are doing ok from what I can tell. I think the dragons missed out to be honest.
Shill. They dodged a bullet. As even an amateur drummer I can tell these are pure overpriced gimmick. You will never improve as a drummer if you go from this to playing real drumheads and cymbals.
The moment i saw that pitch, i knew this could be the next big thing. I used to play the drums as a child, now been playing guitar since about 15 years. I still wanted to get back into drums. But there is no way if you life in a flat. Even E-Drums are too loud to use. While its not everything you need to learn how to drum, it would give me a way to practice at home, something which was simply impossible for me until then. And i know that this applies probably to most people playing drums, or who want to play drums. Its just a loud instrument.
Ive seen it commented a couple of times already but I need to say it: “You both are not the only experienced business people on the planet” The greatest ever line I’ve seen in dragons den
Ebiegberi Adonkie I’d normally agree with that angle, it’s definitely the more mature approach but I did take some guilty pleasure in seeing them being knocked off their high horses.
@@oxymoron02 still a huge growth since this episode, when the dragons said that 1,5 million valuation was silly. the estimate is probably based on sales, debt and so on.
What investment have they accepted since? That is the question. They may have realised there mistake over the equity share and actually accepted a similar offer to what they received from the dragons. Who knows
This is one of the best products I've seen in the den. It's really the dragon's lose. Kudos to these guys for sticking to what they believe it's worth, because this product is awesome and so cool!
Man what a brilliant idea. When I was young in the music world we all had guitars and a few even had bass guitars. Only the richest kids had drumsets. The thing stopping everyone from getting their bands on track was always finding a drummer to join the band. Every drummer was in like 5 bands simultaneously. The rest had to create simple drum tracks using software
the dragons are successful business people because they don't care about "jabs" and they don't let themselves be driven by ego. all they care about are favorable numbers
Been a drummer for a while. Played in all kinds of venues. Studio experience, the works. I can say for sure the sound quality is as good as any electric kit and you can load sounds. (Edit: The same kind of sounds lemme tell you, a lot of mainstream producers themselves would load in their keyboards, and happen to sell pretty well. Just saw the comment about this being a gimmick) the technique developed during air drumming actually transfers over to the real kit very well I just placed an order. For reference, with a drum module, rubber pads and similar sound quality, you would have to pay 600 minimum. I'm a big drumming nerd and am telling you, this is a quality product. I will be posting drum covers as soon as this product arrives Can't wait
reminds of when Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory learned how to swim without ever going into the water, claiming that the skills were "transferable"
The problem with this is that the actual physical drums are of massive importance to determining and helping your technique I can play like Steve Vai on an air guitar, less so on a real one
This exactly. More expensive v drum kits are actually constructed like actual acoustic kits specifically for the purposes of stage presence and, more importantly, physical feedback. Literally any electronically modeled instrument graduates in cost and quality as it begins to physically emulate its instrument. I understand the beginner appeal I guess but I highly doubt it would gain reputation as anything other than a joke among more experienced players.
I mean, as the technology progresses, you could be gigging with air drums. Basically it should be viewed as a separate instrument from traditional drums, from a playing technique stand point. Agreed, though, that it wouldn't be good for developing drumming technique for actual drums.
@@toproudtooadmitmitsake1842 Lighten up. It just a brief casual conversation, with anonymous people, about a subject that has very little importance... Do you fact-check every single bit of information that you come across when talking to random people? Or, are you sometimes agreeable because you have no reason not to be?
@@toproudtooadmitmitsake1842 I agree, I am deeply shocked that Christine would just blindly accept that random assertion without any clarification and having done no research into the claim herself. What is becoming of humanity when people just don't do their research? Research is so important. People need to learn to do their research because without their own research and only relying on another's research, how they the research that the other person is claiming as sound research be actually trusted as sound research? Well, it can't, and as you say, that faulty research is why people believe in the flat earth. I would hedge a bet on this example of unsound research that Christine believes in UFO's, 911 conspiracies, area 51, alien's, and other things.
The craziest part is that it's actualy 8 times what they offered because he wanted to give them 1/2 of the money for 4 times the equity stake offered. It was an outlandish offer, of course.
"The Aerodrums company net worth would need to be estimated but their recent revenue is £12 million per anum." They went into VR/AR experience to further add to the experience.
My band actually uses this product but more as an additive when we want to try some funky drum samples, not really as a primary source for drum tracking. Definitely a cool lil thing. Software can be kinda janky And that’s as of 2 days ago
This is the only comment worth reading... The rest of the drummers remind me of the days when ppl couldnt imagine making phone calls without pressing physical buttons...
Chris Jones we have not experienced any lag at all, which is awesome! The issues we have are with loading some samples and getting them on the correct “drum” Once you have your samples locked in, it works flawlessly
It's always funny how they calculate "they turned it down for 10%" no - they wanted to give 10% of the company away, the offer was 30% so they turned down the deal for 20%. Also dumb manipulation by Peter "10% is HAAALF of my offer", yeah then let's always start off with 99% offer and then cry how the inventor wants to lower it by NIIINE TIIMES. lmao this guy
yeah deb and the other lady didnt say if they were in or out, ive watched heaps of these and they always atleast show them saying they're out or make an offer.
This is the only time, I'm happy the ppl walked away from an investment. Tuka was way too harsh and Peter just wanted a good deal for the investors not too much for the two guys. Hope they get another investor soon. I don't play drums but that actually looked fun and makes me want to play. Peter body language was like darn, I missed out!
Dont need to be a drummer to be able to tell these would be a useless replacement for a real drum kit. I'm pretty sure there needs to be the physical feel of bounce back and vibration amongst other nuances.
yip. learn on this and then put someone in front of a real drum set and watch them fail. LOL. It would have sold as a "gimmick" though to enough people to make it viable. No heavy or voluminous kit taking up a whole room and you can wear headphones while pretending ....
You can use these to practice when you don’t want to use a real drum. On vacation When your neighbors complain a lot If you can’t afford to buy a drum kit.
The clips over time have been trimmed more and more to only highlight the interesting stuff for us, even though it can be quite confusing to know when a dragon is in or out :P
All drama aside, this is an entirely separate instrument from drums. Anyone starting out on this would have a hard time transitioning to the actual instrument and would probably have to unlearn a lot of bad habits it would encourage. If noise is an issue electric drums would likely still be a better option.
Yeah, almost like real drums have rims you can hit, resistance from drum heads, actual other pieces of kit that you could hit...so many "little things" that would have to be learned/relearned/unlearned.
One of the key aspects of understanding and learning the drums is mastering and manipulating the rebound from the drum heads and the fulcrum pivot on the drum sticks. As a drummer I would never want to use this product
Sarah - "They turned it down for 10% difference" Deborah [Quick calculation] - "Thats 5 % each sarah, 5 percent each! " Great product though! For a bedroom use to record your drum track, brilliant! I'm a buyer.
Hehe, Yann from Aerodruns. Sorry should have watched more DD before going on it. Seriously though, I assume the people who say yes on the show pull out if they find they don't get along with their "Dragon(s)"
As someone who played multiple instruments for all my life, including drums, I can see why this product would work for those who doesn't have space or money to buy a real drumkit. BUT, yes here comes the BUT; Playing airdrums wouldn't teach you one of the most important aspects of drums, the "resistance" from hitting the drums. The resistance helps you with your speed and how tight you play the rythm. I would instead invest in a electric drumset, which isn't more expensive than the airdrums, and with the electric drums you will get the "real" feeling that you would otherwise lack from playing airdrums. I dont wanna sound like a negative andy but the demostration drumming was very basic and he still played out of rythm, which is expected when you have no physical indicator hitting the drum.. Good idea but filled with flaws.
The lac of "feel" is certainly a major drawback but imagine you're on tour, sitting in a small hotel room. Even a small set of synthdrum pads may be too cumbersome, bulky and/or noisy in such a situation but with Air Drums you can still get some valuable basic practicing done.
@@tessjuel I agree on that part, it for sure can have a good use for some in a specific settings.. But the foundation of drumming is stick rebound and how you control the stick, that's how you get your technique, rythm, speed etc.. With the Aerodrums you could sit in your hotel room and maybe improve a drum fill, sure, but then again, since its a different type of playing, you will play it differently than on a real set, making the transition very different. People who are on tour often soundcheck hours before the real concert to get warm in their clothes, they often have so called "green rooms" with their sets already preconfigured where they go through the last preps, because the real sets are what matters. As I said in other comments, i completely get why this could be a good products, but it's definitely not a product you learn to play drums on, as the guys pitched in the episode.. My conclusion; If this truly was a revolutionary product that every drummer needs, they would be popular, and you would see famous/professional drummers use them.
@@guitarsolos89 I think we agree for the most part. These Air Drums should be a very good aid for mental exercises but although mental exercises are very valuable for any musician, they can never replace real practicing on real instruments. It's certainly not for beginners, you need some basic technical skills and experience before you can use something like this.
I generally like Deborah's attitude in this little game show. But in this case she did seem to show a bit of a superiority complex. It's a business proposal. 5% probably means a lot more to those inexperienced small guys than to a wealthy dragon.
I love how the drummer at the end kept looking at the guy as he blundered and insulted the dragons, wondering what on earth he was going on about. Then he steps in at the end, clearly not thrilled about it to turn down the offer to save his partner, now that's a friend.
@@aerodrumming It is and they are. Granted behind the scenes is where the real negotiation takes place but they have to pitch their company and worth in what you see. Whether the real company value is accurate or not is only part of it, if its a ludicrous amount with no facts to back it up then the dragons will rip you to pieces.
Some people on the show never seem to understand that its not just equity for money but equity for money and everything else they bring. Nick literally said "I have a musical education company" and they still noped him because he asked for less than half the company. The money they'd make from keeping that 30% would be far less than if they gave it away and Nick and Peter used their connections. It felt like Nick and Peter knew exactly what to do with this too.
30% of a company is massive and leaves absolutely no room for any other future investors, the dude was absolutely correct that there are other successful businesspeople in the world and if they give up 30% to one guy then there's no way they can work with those people. And it looks like they were right since the company went on to be a success
I must agree I would buy one ! I knew my parents could never afford drums nor do they have the space and time for me to learn. This would allow me to do it all ! Brilliant
This product isn't made to teach you how to drum, since theres no stick rebound. If you wanna play real drums without sound, electric drums are your best bet.
@@nrxvi6441 You are obviously using e-drums with headphones, that's the whole point with them, they are made to have same stick rebound as real drums but the sounds goes straight up in your headphones instead.. they are also pretty cheap. With Aerodrums, you won't get the stick rebound, which is the basic/foundation of drumming, the way the stick bounce and how you control it. Someone who's good at Nintendo wii bowling/tennis can't use that set of skill to play PHYSICAL tennis/bowling. This is just a simulation drumset designed for drummers who can already play but need to bring a set with them on for example a tour, which is a good thing. But for beginning playing drums, this is useless. I don't know how to type it to make it more clear for people to see the common sense here.
It's basically a "Wi" that can only play drums and it's not really a teaching product, the novelty value will soon wear off and then it's back to the drawing board.
I bought a set of these some years back and they work as intended surprisingly well but I couldn't deal with the hassle of the webcam alignment and you still need a fair bit of space to get it up to 100%. It's neat but I think you're better off saving several hundred bucks for a low end electronic kit.
Touker was right, it is a gimmick and I can’t imagine this teaches people how to drum accurately or correctly. Yes, perhaps gaming is their best ally but definitely not the professional instrumental side of things.
I disagree. I can see this taking on a huge following in the professional music world, but not for drummers. The electronic music world would love this. To input drums is quite painstaking and can take a long time if you're building up a drum track from scratch. If this software can integrate with software such as BFD and Drumagog, people who don't want an analogue or electronic kit at home have the ability to input a drum track in a fraction of the time. I feel they don't know the market well enough to know what they have to offer. Mix that with the gamin world as they mentioned, and they're onto a real winner here!
Their net worth currently is 10 million. Successful gimmick if anything. But alas, gimmick or not, the dragons only look at numbers, and 10 million is a pretty good number.
This is easy to realize with a Microbit and the Bluetooth-MIDI stack. It might not be so precise, but the gyro input can send trigger signals to another MIDI device, like a drumcomputer.
I always smile when the dragons says 'do you know the amount of work that its going to take to get this product to market'... all they will do is get someone to run it for them, check in now and again and thats that.....
Touker threw his toys out of his pram re: the valuation instead of making an offer in line with what he thought it was worth as what Peter and Nick did....
They have two of the most astute millionaires offered great deal, and one of them has a business already set up that could treble their sales overnight madness
This thing reminded of the Wii and the Xbox Kinect games. Also, I think that saying "this is for people that already know how to drum" is far more realistic than "this is for people that are learning."
Judging by their accent and the way they talked, i'm pretty sure they were delusional... Cause the presentation of the product was extremely poor, if they wanted a good advertising, they would've presented more packaged product, instead of showing what looked clearly like a prototype.
@@radelvishnevski9745 Not to mention it feels like I’m watching a poor man’s version of the Big Bang theory. The actual product might be rad but the way the guy with the Adam’s apple was talking got into my nerves. I bet the deal wouldn’t go through even if they accepted it here.
@@aerodrumming good luck getting a rock band drum kit. Those are sold out everywhere. I think this would pair better with rocksmith. Use it as an educational instrument which makes sense.
I find it crazy on a show where they regularly offer 5-7 times the share in the company originally asked for they still get so upset about the high valuations
The dragons should offered a dilution after there investment is repaid, cos I do think 40% is a bit greedy. It's a good product but I've never really warmed to these kind of drums. I don't think they give you the full best experience
As a musician, just like how there's a big market for weighted, "real" feeling electric pianos, this would absolutely not allow you to learn how to play drums or even learn. Only use case would probably be established drummers who are on limited resources that need a quick beat to churn out. Edit: I'm surprised the dragons even gave an offer. They should have taken them up on it. They also have a competitor btw, and that's midi drum pads.
Yeah this is a terrible replacement for actual drums. Electronic drum kits exist, so do practice pads. You need the physicality and velocity of the sticks to be able to learn to play. This would be a good product for demo recordings but beyond that.. no
I am a drummer and I would like this. But just for when I'm travelling. Only if I can costumize it. With for example using the tips of my toes on the ground while moving my heels iso the other way around
Jenny:- I can see the potential of the business, I’m personally impressed by how you handled Peter, therefore I’m -not- going to make you an offer on this occasion and say I’m out!
Someone really needs to work on these titles. I’m going to watch it anyway, so I’d rather a descriptive title than something misleading that’s intended to be clickbait.
can you blame them? it makes money and unless you click bait, youre getting nowhere in youtube. you might not dislike this idea atm but if you were in the place of the person who is running this channel, you sure as hell would do the same
verlene10 I think it would be different from them as it is a TV show. A lot of people (me included) are going to watch the video regardless of the title because I know of the TV show and I know I will like it.
"You both are not the only experienced people on the planet"
POWWW! 😂
i literally paused after that comment and laughed
My mother tongue is French and I even didn't understand what he said. Thanks for writing it down 😂
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I like his bluntness 🤣
@@Alpha32ify That''s because he wasn't speaking French, have you ever seen Allo Allo? 🤣🤣🤣
Not sure why Touker is so mad, they were offering 5% which should enable him to get out of bed.
He is a guitarist. So no drum for him.
hes mad because they were smart. they had a good idea and knew it would make money had it been given the opportunity. these "dragons" are exploiters of up and coming entrepreneurs for profit
The only drumsticks Touker gets out of bed for are chicken ones.
Because he's arrogant and he believes he is the only one that is right.
Great comment. Lol!
Madlads went on dragons den to ask Peter Jones out on a date
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@@ShadowLynx777 Yep! I agree!👍😂
Ahaha, for some reason I thought of Count Dankulas Mad lads, before I realised what you meant.
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That bit just seemed idiotic on their part. Like, are they seriously gonna expect every potential investor to go out for drinks with them and become best friends? That just sounds like an idiotic mindset when you're talking business.
Looks like Touker woke up on the wrong side of his spacious bed.
Never seen him start off so angry 😂
BeGood 2Me ye not the fact he’s a multimillionaire successful business man
BeGood 2Me you mean not an all white dragons? You sound like a bigot
BeGood 2Me There’s no argument to be had your ignorance is there for all to see.
@BeGood 2Me That might be true but Touker is a fenomenal dragon who deserves his spot on the show. He's my favorite dragon next to Deborah. Also, this is a tv show made for entertaining. It doesn't matter how successful you are in business, if you're not entertaining on screen you're out. Touker is entertaining AF.
As a drummer I found this to be more of a novelty than anything else. That said I just looked them up and the company in 2021 is now worth an estimated $10 million.
And remember folks, net worths are 100% accurate. Your favorite celebrities thank you.
Im a drummer too - I agree its more of a novelty but I can imagine how many kids would get into drumming after receiving one of these for Christmas or a birthday. IMO it is best suited for kids who want to drum and parents who cant afford a kit or deal with the noise.
it reminds me of Guitar Hero a bit.
it'd be good for kids trying to get into music but they don't have to make the full commitment
@@12XxXHandlesAreStupidXxX123 why is it a novelty tho? Im not a drummer but id imagine it does the same thing?
I’m not a drummer, but the first thing that struck me is that you’re not hitting anything and therefore not having any bounce for the sticks especially for the snare.
Touker: Offers Office Space
Aero drum: uses less space
Touker: 😤
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now that makes perfect sense!
So that's why he's mad. Haha. I finally get it. 😂
Touker has been very angry in recent episodes. Something is troubling him. He needs help.
Apparently this is from 2012/2013
@@phaldaz more like 2015/2016...
phaldaz he needs Jenny 😂
Yeah! Touker- what the hell? I thought he was a nice guy...
He ran out of his office space
"you are not the only experienced business people on the planet"
Lmao Peter had no answer to that.
@MegaCarboman A factual statement is never ridiculous.
@@wthwasthat8884 Telling an investor "I can just find other investors" isn't the best idea.
Yeah but when one of them says "Oh I have a music education business that could literally use this and make you millions" its like, how many of those are on the planet?
@@Sugarman96 It is when that investor is trying to leverage you under the guise of being the only solution to your problem.
That made me laugh....:)
Sarah “I’m Just Trying To Understand” Whillingham
She's so hot tho
Brilliant, she comes across so thick
@@khansahib7110 but is she shaved?
@@Mogamishu defo...
ha yeh she does say that...."im just trying to understand what im doing here with real entrepreneurs"
I feel bad for that guy. Imagine having to carry around balls *that* big all the time
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Why is Touker so angry? He could have just said, "You're valuation is ridiculously high, I'm out."
He was trying to impress Peter Jones
He’s a diva!
I'm glad you noticed that. He became so angry.
He's on his monthly menstrual cycle!
@@tonestones9445 exactly what i thought ahaha
If I had a penny for every time Peter says "You're going to regret this" I wouldn't need a dragon investment.
This is literally two comments above you 🤣
There's 103 episodes, even if he said it 10 times an episode that's still only £10.30.
@@Nysvarth you must be fun at parties
@@TheNix999 you must be the annoying one 😂
Lololol
"We would like to take you home with us Peter, see if we're compatible, maybe get a bit freaky, before we know for sure that this partnership will work"
I read this in a german accent in my head.😅😅😅😅😅
Too funny - both of you!
yas, perhaps you peter could tantalize my wife vhile I sit in zee cuck-chair?
Legend has it they are still in the bar, waiting for Peter
The company is worth 12million £
As a drummer my self as soon as I saw this on dragons den I went and orders some online and they are quality! Also Aerodrums are now in all the major music stores in the country so they are doing ok from what I can tell. I think the dragons missed out to be honest.
Shill. They dodged a bullet. As even an amateur drummer I can tell these are pure overpriced gimmick. You will never improve as a drummer if you go from this to playing real drumheads and cymbals.
@@FungusMossGnosis This feels like a product for people who would have never thought to own/learn a drum kit in the first place.
@@FungusMossGnosis putting in 10 hrs a week on this kit is better than 0 hrs a week on no kit
The moment i saw that pitch, i knew this could be the next big thing. I used to play the drums as a child, now been playing guitar since about 15 years. I still wanted to get back into drums. But there is no way if you life in a flat. Even E-Drums are too loud to use.
While its not everything you need to learn how to drum, it would give me a way to practice at home, something which was simply impossible for me until then. And i know that this applies probably to most people playing drums, or who want to play drums. Its just a loud instrument.
If the response is good and it is good at reacting to different levels of attack and such, yeah this would be great
Touker pissed bcos he still hasn't got rid of those office spaces yet !!
He's probably pissed because these 2 don't need his office space either, lol.
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Ive seen it commented a couple of times already but I need to say it:
“You both are not the only experienced business people on the planet”
The greatest ever line I’ve seen in dragons den
Ebiegberi Adonkie I’d normally agree with that angle, it’s definitely the more mature approach but I did take some guilty pleasure in seeing them being knocked off their high horses.
We need to go to the pub and discuss this lmfao
first sign of alcoholism. ha ha.
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@@tc6070 really? ah dammit lol
Then on to a club ...... then ........who know's ......... the night is young
@@tc6070 give him a break he’s just French 😆😂
"As of 2021, the company is estimated to be worth about $10 million."
seems like they did OK without giving up a huge chunk to the dragons :)
"estimated" by who?
Also £10m is a verrrry small sum in the business world.
@@oxymoron02 still a huge growth since this episode, when the dragons said that 1,5 million valuation was silly.
the estimate is probably based on sales, debt and so on.
What investment have they accepted since? That is the question. They may have realised there mistake over the equity share and actually accepted a similar offer to what they received from the dragons. Who knows
@@cheemus1275 that is true, we dont know :)
No there not it’s my brother it’s went now we’re so stop liering
Would love to see Nick Jenkins back in the den, one of my favourite dragons.
yeah i like Nick a lot, but my all time favorite is Richard Farleigh.
Richard Farleigh did diddly squat on the show
But erm... He's right there... In the video...
@@Deffa7 not true he invested more during his time on the show than anyone else at that point.
@@Deffa7 Richard Farleigh invested in Levi Roots Reggae Reggae Sauce along with Peter Jones. That company became worth over £50 million.
This is one of the best products I've seen in the den. It's really the dragon's lose. Kudos to these guys for sticking to what they believe it's worth, because this product is awesome and so cool!
That was funny, at the end, with the dragons trying to make each other feel better.
The state of Unai Emery in this video 😂
Glad I'm not the only one who thought this, was wondering what he'd been up to since he was sacked by Arsenal
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ROFL, spot on mate
I also saw the resemblance
Good Ebening
The way Nick looked up at the ceiling towards the end when they questioned Peter...
Love it when you catch Peter laughing on the end when another Dragon starts a rant.
Man what a brilliant idea. When I was young in the music world we all had guitars and a few even had bass guitars. Only the richest kids had drumsets. The thing stopping everyone from getting their bands on track was always finding a drummer to join the band. Every drummer was in like 5 bands simultaneously. The rest had to create simple drum tracks using software
Dragons wanted deal so bad they shrugged off the “jab” of “ you are not the only businessmen “ and asked for equity clarification answer
the dragons are successful business people because they don't care about "jabs" and they don't let themselves be driven by ego. all they care about are favorable numbers
@@Xcarbonizer they do care about ego though, lol
@@specialboye4910 they HAVE ego, but they don't let their decisions be driven by it, hence why they're highly successful
@@Xcarbonizer They've also had many failures...
@@toproudtooadmitmitsake1842 everyone fails at one point or another. but that doesn't make them any less successful
Been a drummer for a while. Played in all kinds of venues. Studio experience, the works.
I can say for sure the sound quality is as good as any electric kit and you can load sounds.
(Edit: The same kind of sounds lemme tell you, a lot of mainstream producers themselves would load in their keyboards, and happen to sell pretty well. Just saw the comment about this being a gimmick)
the technique developed during air drumming actually transfers over to the real kit very well
I just placed an order.
For reference, with a drum module, rubber pads and similar sound quality, you would have to pay 600 minimum.
I'm a big drumming nerd and am telling you, this is a quality product. I will be posting drum covers as soon as this product arrives
Can't wait
Got mine coming today and I can't wait! I'm gonna make aerodrums glad they walked away 😎
reminds of when Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory learned how to swim without ever going into the water, claiming that the skills were "transferable"
The problem with this is that the actual physical drums are of massive importance to determining and helping your technique
I can play like Steve Vai on an air guitar, less so on a real one
This exactly. More expensive v drum kits are actually constructed like actual acoustic kits specifically for the purposes of stage presence and, more importantly, physical feedback. Literally any electronically modeled instrument graduates in cost and quality as it begins to physically emulate its instrument. I understand the beginner appeal I guess but I highly doubt it would gain reputation as anything other than a joke among more experienced players.
Awesome reference! Lol
I mean, as the technology progresses, you could be gigging with air drums. Basically it should be viewed as a separate instrument from traditional drums, from a playing technique stand point. Agreed, though, that it wouldn't be good for developing drumming technique for actual drums.
Hence a massive market because most people aren't looking to learn the actual drums, they are just looking for a fun time
Actual physical drums also costs a lot more, and take up a lot of space?
They are still in business, Fictitious Capital LTD, but Richard Lee left this year. As of 2018 they had only 250k assets, quite small
Knight Ride963 its really good how you can find out this information I wouldn’t know how to do it.
It’s all public in companies house
@@CleoptraMonrow Kinda concerning how you just accept it with no proof check this is how flat Earth started
@@toproudtooadmitmitsake1842 Lighten up. It just a brief casual conversation, with anonymous people, about a subject that has very little importance... Do you fact-check every single bit of information that you come across when talking to random people? Or, are you sometimes agreeable because you have no reason not to be?
@@toproudtooadmitmitsake1842 I agree, I am deeply shocked that Christine would just blindly accept that random assertion without any clarification and having done no research into the claim herself. What is becoming of humanity when people just don't do their research? Research is so important. People need to learn to do their research because without their own research and only relying on another's research, how they the research that the other person is claiming as sound research be actually trusted as sound research? Well, it can't, and as you say, that faulty research is why people believe in the flat earth. I would hedge a bet on this example of unsound research that Christine believes in UFO's, 911 conspiracies, area 51, alien's, and other things.
"20% Is too high, that's 4x our original offer. Our counter offer is 10%"
WeLL tHatS hAlF oF MiNe
The craziest part is that it's actualy 8 times what they offered because he wanted to give them 1/2 of the money for 4 times the equity stake offered. It was an outlandish offer, of course.
"The Aerodrums company net worth would need to be estimated but their recent revenue is £12 million per anum."
They went into VR/AR experience to further add to the experience.
God... I love it when Peter gets put in his place.
My band actually uses this product but more as an additive when we want to try some funky drum samples, not really as a primary source for drum tracking. Definitely a cool lil thing.
Software can be kinda janky
And that’s as of 2 days ago
This is the only comment worth reading... The rest of the drummers remind me of the days when ppl couldnt imagine making phone calls without pressing physical buttons...
As a drummer myself I thought this was a cool product and could see myself using it but the software looked very clunky.
@dread true there is nothing in my comment that talks about replacing drums, nor the OPs comment!
I was wondering how accurate these are... I'd imagine any lag would be the death of the product. How are they in that regard?
Chris Jones we have not experienced any lag at all, which is awesome!
The issues we have are with loading some samples and getting them on the correct “drum”
Once you have your samples locked in, it works flawlessly
Not "5% each", they turned down the offer of being disrespected by a bullying oaf that owns part of their business.
Good for them!
It's always funny how they calculate "they turned it down for 10%" no - they wanted to give 10% of the company away, the offer was 30% so they turned down the deal for 20%. Also dumb manipulation by Peter "10% is HAAALF of my offer", yeah then let's always start off with 99% offer and then cry how the inventor wants to lower it by NIIINE TIIMES. lmao this guy
@@Paciffic they were willing to give away 10% each to Peter and Nick
Did I miss Deborah giving feedback? She hardly said anything the whole time!
They edit down the videos a bit for TH-cam so it's possible she did say something
yeah deb and the other lady didnt say if they were in or out, ive watched heaps of these and they always atleast show them saying they're out or make an offer.
Keaton Jones Yes exactly! That’s what I thought
They edited out the dragons saying I'm out
They'd never edit out the declaration for Jenny.
This is the only time, I'm happy the ppl walked away from an investment. Tuka was way too harsh and Peter just wanted a good deal for the investors not too much for the two guys.
Hope they get another investor soon.
I don't play drums but that actually looked fun and makes me want to play.
Peter body language was like darn, I missed out!
they got a great offer
Never thought I'd see the day where the Dragons Den youtube uploader people would use the word "triggered" in their title.
2020 is horrible isnt it
Yes it is. I hope my life improves.
How come?
@@StoriesWithPrentice
This virus and other personal issues. That's all i can say.
Trying to appeal to it's mass gen z audiences😂😂
That's the biggest Adams Apple I've ever seen.
Suck on them
Funny how he said going for a drink first is needed before the deal is made 😂
Twats 🤣
There is absolutely no way somebody can learn to play drums with this. It's like saying you can learn to play guitar by playing air guitar
this!
Exactly, rebound is half the battle of the sticks
Potentially possible with VR.
@@rustynail9516 not really, you need an actual guitar to properly learn
@@crystalbutterfly2758 lies.
Dont need to be a drummer to be able to tell these would be a useless replacement for a real drum kit. I'm pretty sure there needs to be the physical feel of bounce back and vibration amongst other nuances.
This is exactly why an electrical drum kit is the only closest thing. Closest not exact.
What about haptic feedback with these sticks that might make it “more” realistic
yip. learn on this and then put someone in front of a real drum set and watch them fail. LOL.
It would have sold as a "gimmick" though to enough people to make it viable.
No heavy or voluminous kit taking up a whole room and you can wear headphones while pretending ....
You can create a shock vibration in the drumstick to give sensation of bounce back
You can use these to practice when you don’t want to use a real drum.
On vacation
When your neighbors complain a lot
If you can’t afford to buy a drum kit.
Did I miss something? Not all the dragons declared themselves out before they considered the offer from the 2 boys
The clips over time have been trimmed more and more to only highlight the interesting stuff for us, even though it can be quite confusing to know when a dragon is in or out :P
I thought that... Deborah hadn't made an offer or declared herself out had she?
All drama aside, this is an entirely separate instrument from drums. Anyone starting out on this would have a hard time transitioning to the actual instrument and would probably have to unlearn a lot of bad habits it would encourage. If noise is an issue electric drums would likely still be a better option.
Yeah, almost like real drums have rims you can hit, resistance from drum heads, actual other pieces of kit that you could hit...so many "little things" that would have to be learned/relearned/unlearned.
A clash of personalities? Touker shouted at them for 2 minutes then declared himself out.
Incidentally, Touker autocorrects to toilet.
One of the key aspects of understanding and learning the drums is mastering and manipulating the rebound from the drum heads and the fulcrum pivot on the drum sticks. As a drummer I would never want to use this product
This might be the best product I've seen on dragon's den.
Chill out with the Thumbnail, looks like Peter dropping F-bombs!
This episode probably gave them so much publicity. Now i wanna buy some even though im not a drummer.
Sarah - "They turned it down for 10% difference"
Deborah [Quick calculation] - "Thats 5 % each sarah, 5 percent each! "
Great product though! For a bedroom use to record your drum track, brilliant! I'm a buyer.
They were both wrong though.
@@bluceree7312 what's the right answer andry.
The dragons turned down a fantastic offer for 10% difference. That's 5% each too.
@@argothiel that's brilliant. Changed my mind!
@@argothiel The dragons stood to lose very little compared to the entrepreneurs.. Who's really crazy?
I wanna see what Dragons Den episodes they watch where afterwards they go to the pub to discuss it.
Hehe, Yann from Aerodruns. Sorry should have watched more DD before going on it. Seriously though, I assume the people who say yes on the show pull out if they find they don't get along with their "Dragon(s)"
As someone who played multiple instruments for all my life, including drums, I can see why this product would work for those who doesn't have space or money to buy a real drumkit. BUT, yes here comes the BUT; Playing airdrums wouldn't teach you one of the most important aspects of drums, the "resistance" from hitting the drums. The resistance helps you with your speed and how tight you play the rythm. I would instead invest in a electric drumset, which isn't more expensive than the airdrums, and with the electric drums you will get the "real" feeling that you would otherwise lack from playing airdrums. I dont wanna sound like a negative andy but the demostration drumming was very basic and he still played out of rythm, which is expected when you have no physical indicator hitting the drum.. Good idea but filled with flaws.
The lac of "feel" is certainly a major drawback but imagine you're on tour, sitting in a small hotel room. Even a small set of synthdrum pads may be too cumbersome, bulky and/or noisy in such a situation but with Air Drums you can still get some valuable basic practicing done.
@@tessjuel I agree on that part, it for sure can have a good use for some in a specific settings.. But the foundation of drumming is stick rebound and how you control the stick, that's how you get your technique, rythm, speed etc..
With the Aerodrums you could sit in your hotel room and maybe improve a drum fill, sure, but then again, since its a different type of playing, you will play it differently than on a real set, making the transition very different.
People who are on tour often soundcheck hours before the real concert to get warm in their clothes, they often have so called "green rooms" with their sets already preconfigured where they go through the last preps, because the real sets are what matters.
As I said in other comments, i completely get why this could be a good products, but it's definitely not a product you learn to play drums on, as the guys pitched in the episode..
My conclusion; If this truly was a revolutionary product that every drummer needs, they would be popular, and you would see famous/professional drummers use them.
@@guitarsolos89 I think we agree for the most part. These Air Drums should be a very good aid for mental exercises but although mental exercises are very valuable for any musician, they can never replace real practicing on real instruments. It's certainly not for beginners, you need some basic technical skills and experience before you can use something like this.
Brilliant comment, thanks!
I would sell it to Sony or Nintendo. They would definitely buy it for a few millions. They spend that on R&D
As a drummer I think this is awesome!!!
They actually went on to have a very successful business
Aerodrums is now worth $10 million. Kudos, gents! 💰
'5% each Deborah says. I recall her not accepting a 5% reduction when she makes an offer. 2 faced and double standards.
@oktopustrainer No not at all, when it comes to a deal, your consideration is irrelevant, Anjum is absolutely right.
quite right, they get all offended when asked to drop 5%
I generally like Deborah's attitude in this little game show. But in this case she did seem to show a bit of a superiority complex.
It's a business proposal. 5% probably means a lot more to those inexperienced small guys than to a wealthy dragon.
I love how the drummer at the end kept looking at the guy as he blundered and insulted the dragons, wondering what on earth he was going on about. Then he steps in at the end, clearly not thrilled about it to turn down the offer to save his partner, now that's a friend.
Touker: It’s too small
Producers: You ever seen music production plugins ?
He'd have a heart attack over Waves OneKnob
It seems Yann and Richard would only march to the beat of their own drum. Ba bum tssh.
🤣🤣
BA BUM TSSH..... Drum Roll Please
Hehe, fair enough, but like most Dragon's Den offers, it wasn't really serious valuation wise. It's a show:)
@@aerodrumming It is and they are. Granted behind the scenes is where the real negotiation takes place but they have to pitch their company and worth in what you see. Whether the real company value is accurate or not is only part of it, if its a ludicrous amount with no facts to back it up then the dragons will rip you to pieces.
Joke was shite as it was already told by the commentator. Unlucky.
Damn, have these dudes never heard of music production? thats enough of a market within itself. For portable use with DAW's
Their VR version of this looks pretty neat (on their website)
Some people on the show never seem to understand that its not just equity for money but equity for money and everything else they bring. Nick literally said "I have a musical education company" and they still noped him because he asked for less than half the company. The money they'd make from keeping that 30% would be far less than if they gave it away and Nick and Peter used their connections. It felt like Nick and Peter knew exactly what to do with this too.
30% of a company is massive and leaves absolutely no room for any other future investors, the dude was absolutely correct that there are other successful businesspeople in the world and if they give up 30% to one guy then there's no way they can work with those people.
And it looks like they were right since the company went on to be a success
I must agree I would buy one ! I knew my parents could never afford drums nor do they have the space and time for me to learn. This would allow me to do it all ! Brilliant
To be honest, as somebody who's interested in drumming but lacks the space or money, this seems like a great product.
This product isn't made to teach you how to drum, since theres no stick rebound. If you wanna play real drums without sound, electric drums are your best bet.
As the guy above stated e-drums are a way better option.
e-drums without sound? the sticks hitting the plastic can sometimes be too loud for comfort
@@nrxvi6441 You are obviously using e-drums with headphones, that's the whole point with them, they are made to have same stick rebound as real drums but the sounds goes straight up in your headphones instead.. they are also pretty cheap. With Aerodrums, you won't get the stick rebound, which is the basic/foundation of drumming, the way the stick bounce and how you control it. Someone who's good at Nintendo wii bowling/tennis can't use that set of skill to play PHYSICAL tennis/bowling. This is just a simulation drumset designed for drummers who can already play but need to bring a set with them on for example a tour, which is a good thing. But for beginning playing drums, this is useless. I don't know how to type it to make it more clear for people to see the common sense here.
This isn't drumming
Good on them for knocking back the deal.
it looks like something you'd find in a science centre
This company wildly succeeded. Wonderful product.
It's basically a "Wi" that can only play drums and it's not really a teaching product, the novelty value will soon wear off and then it's back to the drawing board.
Lol not really. Far from it in fact.
The only thing similar to a Wii is that it traces the position of the controller
Yann from Aerodrums, check out my replies to others about learning/teaching.
This was possibly the best combo of dragons on the show
I bought a set of these some years back and they work as intended surprisingly well but I couldn't deal with the hassle of the webcam alignment and you still need a fair bit of space to get it up to 100%. It's neat but I think you're better off saving several hundred bucks for a low end electronic kit.
And for that reason, you're out.
Touker is in one of his angry rant mode, he's is normally so chill.
Touker was right, it is a gimmick and I can’t imagine this teaches people how to drum accurately or correctly. Yes, perhaps gaming is their best ally but definitely not the professional instrumental side of things.
I disagree. I can see this taking on a huge following in the professional music world, but not for drummers. The electronic music world would love this. To input drums is quite painstaking and can take a long time if you're building up a drum track from scratch. If this software can integrate with software such as BFD and Drumagog, people who don't want an analogue or electronic kit at home have the ability to input a drum track in a fraction of the time. I feel they don't know the market well enough to know what they have to offer.
Mix that with the gamin world as they mentioned, and they're onto a real winner here!
Yann from Aerodrums, check out my replies to others about learning/teaching.
@@thekickingmule Yep. As a midi input for adding a bit of swing and organic feel to otherwise manually programmed drums it would be great.
Their net worth currently is 10 million.
Successful gimmick if anything.
But alas, gimmick or not, the dragons only look at numbers, and 10 million is a pretty good number.
This is easy to realize with a Microbit and the Bluetooth-MIDI stack. It might not be so precise, but the gyro input can send trigger signals to another MIDI device, like a drumcomputer.
I always smile when the dragons says 'do you know the amount of work that its going to take to get this product to market'... all they will do is get someone to run it for them, check in now and again and thats that.....
effin ell for 10% each for that small investment of half each, that was super generous of the scientists. I am glad they are worth 10 million now.
I'm Jenny and I like alcohol, therefore let's go for drinks and I'm in. I've moved from the free water on the show to alcohol.
midlife crisis hits everyone
Pulled the dragons pants down these lads
Touker threw his toys out of his pram re: the valuation instead of making an offer in line with what he thought it was worth as what Peter and Nick did....
They have two of the most astute millionaires offered great deal, and one of them has a business already set up that could treble their sales overnight madness
Imagine going to a show and just seeing this 😂😂
This thing reminded of the Wii and the Xbox Kinect games. Also, I think that saying "this is for people that already know how to drum" is far more realistic than "this is for people that are learning."
1:30 dude literally sounds like an a.i. robot
Wow, didn't know they went on the den
Aero drums are awesome!
It seems like they used the Den for free advertising. That or they were truly delusional about how much their company was worth.
Judging by their accent and the way they talked, i'm pretty sure they were delusional... Cause the presentation of the product was extremely poor, if they wanted a good advertising, they would've presented more packaged product, instead of showing what looked clearly like a prototype.
@@radelvishnevski9745 Not to mention it feels like I’m watching a poor man’s version of the Big Bang theory. The actual product might be rad but the way the guy with the Adam’s apple was talking got into my nerves.
I bet the deal wouldn’t go through even if they accepted it here.
A drum set being one of the most tactile feed back driven instruments on the planet. This idea is drumb :P
This is literally a homebrew version of rock band lol
Hello, Yann from Aerodrums. Well in Rock band you have plastic drums that take a lot of space and make a lot of noise when you hit them.
@@aerodrumming good luck getting a rock band drum kit. Those are sold out everywhere. I think this would pair better with rocksmith. Use it as an educational instrument which makes sense.
That was a hardcore hook at the beginning haha
I find it crazy on a show where they regularly offer 5-7 times the share in the company originally asked for they still get so upset about the high valuations
They later went down to the Den pub to pitch for investment over drinks :)
The dragons should offered a dilution after there investment is repaid, cos I do think 40% is a bit greedy. It's a good product but I've never really warmed to these kind of drums. I don't think they give you the full best experience
its a gimmick. they shouldve taken that money and ran
Man I would actually like to try this out.
“It is a one of a kind product” has this man never heard of the hit game Wii Music
As a musician, just like how there's a big market for weighted, "real" feeling electric pianos, this would absolutely not allow you to learn how to play drums or even learn. Only use case would probably be established drummers who are on limited resources that need a quick beat to churn out.
Edit: I'm surprised the dragons even gave an offer. They should have taken them up on it. They also have a competitor btw, and that's midi drum pads.
Yeah this is a terrible replacement for actual drums. Electronic drum kits exist, so do practice pads. You need the physicality and velocity of the sticks to be able to learn to play. This would be a good product for demo recordings but beyond that.. no
electric pianos are great to not lose all of your abilities. unnecessary hate.
I am a drummer and I would like this. But just for when I'm travelling. Only if I can costumize it.
With for example using the tips of my toes on the ground while moving my heels iso the other way around
Peter Jones fabulously demonstrating the need to go out for a drink before closing!
Jenny:- I can see the potential of the business, I’m personally impressed by how you handled Peter, therefore I’m -not- going to make you an offer on this occasion and say I’m out!
I've learned more from Dragons Den than I ever did from any business textbook. Now I feel like starting up my own business.
Someone really needs to work on these titles. I’m going to watch it anyway, so I’d rather a descriptive title than something misleading that’s intended to be clickbait.
for-profit justifies the means.
can you blame them? it makes money and unless you click bait, youre getting nowhere in youtube. you might not dislike this idea atm but if you were in the place of the person who is running this channel, you sure as hell would do the same
@@verlene10 the sad state of things indeed
verlene10 I think it would be different from them as it is a TV show. A lot of people (me included) are going to watch the video regardless of the title because I know of the TV show and I know I will like it.
What happened to the BUY BACK offer?! Drop to 10% each after money repaid. 🤦🏽♂️