One possible conclusion: through policies which allow the redistribution of wealth into the hands of the richest 1%, said group becomes literally the only group in the US with any money, at which point they leave and the country collapses. At this point one of three things occurs: the nation rebuilds, either at the same size or as a set is smaller nations comprised of one or more states from the original US, neighbouring countries absorb parts of the region into themselves to stabilize the region, or a more hostile nation annexes territory causing further destabilization.
@@Swampert384 let the billionaires leave. If they produce anything of value then there will continue to be a demand for it and a young entrepreneur will step in and provide it. It might take 20 small companies to replace one large corporation but that's better than the nation being held hostage by their threats.
his building design shows you exactly how he views those that are the working class propping up his bank account. instead of paying taxes they want to imprison us.
@@spiderpickle3255 Sorry, but no. Many prisons and most jails have no windows and the glass panel fictive window streaming florescent light is copied from cell design. All prisons are modled on the panopticon conception of Utilitarian philosopher Jeremy Bentham, and the plastic faux window provides the necessary backlight to make observation of the prisoner easier for the Oinker in the observation station. Jails have about the same level of natural light as a submarine. That is how the controlling power demands it to be.
@@spiderpickle3255 u can't even call it a window. Most of the time it's frosted so u can't see out of it and it never opens. It's also maybe two inches wide if that and so high up you can't see out of it and even if u could it's frosted glass so u can't really. That's not a window. Maybe speak for yourself because your friends know Jack sh*t
@@Valvad0ss the federal pen near where I live does in fact have windows that can open and are large enough to be nothing else but a window. Just depends on the level of the prison, the one nearby being level 2 (low security)
So when a student wakes up at 3AM to the sound of the fire alarm and the smell of smoke, they stumble to the door, and find out that the door is hot to the touch, are they able to escape through the "fake window"? Can they at least open the "fake window" so that they can breathe?
The thing that stuck with me was that the design designates TWO exits in the entire building for 4500 students! In a fire scenario most would be dead, from the stampede to the only doors, and the rest from smoke inhalation and the fire itself. I find it hard to believe any jurisdiction in this country would sign off on this monstrosity.
How could you escape through a fake window? If it were a hole in the side of the building it would be an actual window. This is just a lighting panel. The point of it is that the bedrooms are not on the outside of the building meaning you can fit a lot more bedrooms in the building because you can use all the space, not just the outside.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 you know the question was asked because it is a "fake window". What are you trying to tell us here? Please read the first comment again. 🤦♂️🤦♀️
It reminds me of the rooms the poor Chinese factory workers have to live in because they have run out of room for all the people. They have many suicides in those buildings
It seems to me that Mr. Munger was never a college student, or at least never lived in an actual dormitory. If he had, he would realize that students stay in their rooms to study, which they need to spend a lot of time doing in order to graduate, the whole purpose for being there. Socializing only happens when the studying is done, and it does not need to be forced by the methods he thinks it does. The lack of windows presents a serious problem when the electricity goes out. Plus he does not have any plans for an emergency, particularly fire escapes and exits, which are essential since fires can certainly occur in dorms. All in all, a poor design, in violation of numerous building codes, which the consulting architect certainly realized. Hopefully, it will be rejected by the university, which can overrule even billionaires.
"Plus he does not have any plans for an emergency, particularly fire escapes and exits," he had consulting architects. I'm sure they'd have put those things in. my college had suites like that, but with windows. and fire exits. iirc, the buildings held about 250 students, tho, not 4500.
I lived in a college dorm not that long ago. Studying never happened in it. Studying happened at the library. The dorms had people sneaking in booze and dope mostly and kids acting stupid. That is why so many get out and can’t gain employment to pay for all of those loans. Don’t try to tell me kids cannot work and go to college. I got 2 degrees, the last in engineering and I worked an almost full time job while getting it. I studied at the library at night, took my classes in the morning, worked construction after lunch and every weekend and holidays and got out with about 10k in debt. So yes, if you want it you can do it.
@@joefrederick6471 I wish we had more young people like you in the US. It is only my opinion but it seems that since parents focused on providing luxuries for themselves and their children by having two working parents that these parents either did not have the time or take the time to instill proper values. Many of their children were raised by virtual strangers in day care centers, after school programs or in home babysitters. The consequence is US society is failing.
@@deborahmerkerson1145 thank you. I did have my mother at home and my father was a farmer while also taking care of other farms and also doing any odd job he could find to make some extra. He was out most days just like any other job and on the weekends, but on the weekends he had help (me lol).
So this guy's so disassociated from normal people's everyday reality that his idea of a living space is a place that makes you so uncomfortable you want to leave it.🤔
It makes sense to me, it’s safer in harsh weather and given that most young people today are extremely anti-social it seems like a great idea to give everyone their own little space, and a big common area where they can all get to know eachother and have real interactions. I kind of love this idea.
@@Twatshot it doesn't make much sense in regard to architectural standards in residential buildings where the goal is to increase access to natural lighting and comfortability of living space. Also, if you make communal areas interesting enough and desirable to be in then you don't have to make residences undesirable to be in in order to force the residents into the communal areas. This guy is just another rich dip$#!+ indulging his own fantasies, like one of the koch's kids, with no skill and little concern for how the spaces will affect the people in them.
Arrogance of an ossified billionaire. (Retired architect here.) I shudder at the thought of students living in this termite hive. Don't think any jurisdiction would issue a building permit without some sort of operable windows for emergency egress. Thankfully for society we don't get to live forever no matter how rich.
Agreed. Dr. Thomas Story Kirkbride certainly knew the importance of humans having windows, natural lighting and fresh air circulation. I believe he called it "Moral Treatment", and we know who his clients were, it appears they were given better regard a century ago. I went to a State University of New York school, (U.B.) and the dorms there were all palatial in comparison and all had large opening windows and at least double the square footage, even on my ninth floor single. I.M. Pei designed the dorm I first lived in, it was also very efficient and cost effective architecture, even semi-modular I believe, but also a comfortable and relatively spacious place to reside.
Count me as a devil's advocate here. Couldn't we simply mimic natural light and create the same effects as is being attempted here? I guess I'm coming from the perspective of someone that has spent a little too much time in a VR headset lately. Are windows really that exciting, or are they largely artifice and a healthy dose of neurons in our brain telling us that there's a grandiose outdoors just beyond our precipice, beckoning us to be a part of the world? The entire criticism about the building revolving singularly around windows seems a little silly regardless. That's literally the chief complaint: Windows. Can emergency egress not be accomplished by having multiple exits immediately outside the doorway in the communal space? What's the difference?
@@niarazu3883 And if a fire or a shooter is right outside my door and I have no other way out of the room, then what? Are you that unimaginative? Human beings need natural light and fresh air to maintain good mental and physical health. Ask any physician or health professional. It has nothing to do with wondering what’s “out there” in the “great beyond” or whatever such nonsense you are postulating.
Charlie designing a dorm? A building for public use? How's it possible that the local authority will even certify it "fit-for-human-occupation", OR that a licensed architect will even affix his signature to it? Buildings (especially public ones, and for human occupation) are legally supposed to follow "life safety" codes, which include codes for natural lighting and ventilation (which is WHY apartments are designed with EVERY HABITABLE ROOM with window, amongst others) AND wattabout fire-safety which include escape routes and capacity of route to evacuate within a certain time (usually 15min). So was this "death trap" ever build or it is just fake story?
Aw, Munger's not a bad guy. Disconnected from the average person, sure. Probably less because of his money and more because he's almost 100 years old and lives like a monk.
@@austinluepkes5484He paid only a small part of the buildings cost with his donation. That is ok for nebulous thing like buildings name, but not ok when one gets to determine everything about the building, and others paying the majority of the costs for the building.
@@austinluepkes5484 Yeah, nah. The whole thing costs 1.5+ billion. It is also 1/3 more expensive per student to build that other dorms. NBC NEWS: "The proposed building, dubbed Munger Hall after donor Charlie Munger, would house 4,500 students in a 1.68 million-square foot complex with only two entrances. The project is expected to cost $1.5 billion."
Part of the disconnect is he's incredibly successful in his chosen field, the disconnect is assuming that translates into any other field. And the parts of his personality that for him to where he is today are the same traits he's applying to architecture. Less dramatic but my guilty pleasure are those shows about failed businesses where some expert, usually with an accent, yells at them for being idiots. There's a lot of people who have made a lot of money and have decided to go into a related but dissimilar field. Like someone who was a caterer opening a restaurant or someone who figured being a landlord translates to hotel. And they all have they ideas from their old fields that definitely worked for them before. If they took ten minutes to ask anyone with more experience that works for them they'd be better off but hubris gets in their way.
@Luke Rabin • 10s of millions of Americans agreed with you when they voted for a builder to be President of the USA. I gave up voting for "business" people once I was forced to do a real analysis of the job qualifications for President. Business people get to hire and fire but a President needs to work with a legislature chosen by others.
@@Name-cz5jj if that socalled rich billionaire is Trump he started his fake empire with daddy's money. Daddy bailed him out of failed venture after venture until he died and ever since the bankruptcy courts have bailed him out of his debt. His hotel in DC has gone down the toilet now too. Trump's not a business man I would follow
Do we start a gofundme, Kickstarter, what do we have to do to make this happen? Even tho he’s passed, Bubbles Houdini def shoulda had some formal wear, being oh so debonair with his long hair!
Foolish to say architects disagree when one of them isn't an architect. Just as well he didn't want to try his hand at surgery, or the design of a computer operating system.
@@Chicago48 how could a building be energy efficient if it requires electricity to produce the light and air that under regular circumstances would come through windows? It’s not rocket science to see that the whole thing is a vanity project, an energy drain made merely to prop up one old billionaire’s fragile ego.
This is exactly why allowing billionaires to donate their money instead of taxing it is so wrong, they are completely dislocated from reality and the needs of people.
@@bmphil3400 but what about govt, is not a helpful response to the topic of billionaire taxation policy. We need to increase the corporate tax rate asap bc these guys "donating" or "contributing" to society is merely a facade as seen in the video above
@@bmphil3400 not when it is *for the people* - the problem is that currently it is for the corporations. Not to mention, cold war propaganda brainwashed multiple generations into believing *all* government oversight is wrong. The most quintessential example is every how other developed country's governments actually negotiate prices of medicine and medical care on behalf of their people - whereas in America they allow corporations to charge whatever they want. The fallout of cold war propaganda created a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts where they convinced everyone that government is by it's very nature corrupt, which allowed ours to become so. Now we have legalised bribery, bought off politicians, and rampant insider trading - all at the detriment OF THE PEOPLE. Furthermore - you can't expect a fundamentally exploitative and corrupt economic system (capitalism) to remain "free and fair" when the governing body - the government - is *allowed* to become corrupted. The only way to fix a broken economic system is to first fix the broken political system. If you assume the political system will always be corrupt or broken, then your economic system will follow suit by default.
That looks worse than a glorified detention center. Even inmates get an actual window. Only plus to this is it looks like it is a single bedroom and not roommate style like most dorms. This is what happens when you let someone nearly 100 years old and has no idea what a young person or human needs to thrive, dictate from his Billion dollar life. I bet his bathroom is bigger then my whole apartment, thank God for my 4 windows.
Usually people pay extra to have single dorms later on. We had to live with a roommate the first year and it helped me meet people. We certainly left our rooms plenty and happily. The point in him making them singles is to isolate them from other people and any sense of the outside world with the theory that it will make them want to seek social interaction in their common areas. Jails and prisons don’t always have windows, but exposure to sunlight is very important to one’s mental health. The only thing that makes this better than jail or prison is that they do have the freedom to come and go as they please. Most normal cells are not that small, solitary is 8x10 and I am assuming these are not much larger. Like the other architect said this, “is a social and psychological experiment with an unknown impact on the lives and personal development of the undergraduates.”
Lol. Apparently you’ve never lived in college dorms. This actually looks like a massive improvement. You not only get your own private room, which isn’t much smaller than many dorms. You also get access to a larger “living” space without having to share it with 100 other people. As long as the ventilation is good, and that “window” is lit by full spectrum daylight bulbs, then I’d have been happy to live in it when I was in college.
Thank building codes for your 4 windows, exit plans, travel distances, multiple exits, many safety features, pressurized and fire protected stair wells that empty to the outside and much, much more. Nothing in the Bible about all that.
@@mrarchaicworld I have lived in four different college dorms. One of which we had single rooms with a common space. There were four people to a suite and large ACTUAL windows, with real fresh air and real daylight. Not bloody lightbulbs and air vents. Ffs. I liked living with a roommate the rest of the time and actually getting a normal college experience with the other students. I have a bedroom with no windows right now and I regret ever buying this place because of that. It is absolutely depressing. With a heavy course load and other factors, students will be spending a lot of time in these rooms and I worry for their mental health as a result of it.
Same. I'm not a dormitory expert, it's one of the few things I havnt worked on at this point, but doesn't the code stipulate that sleeping spaces require a window as part of egress on the 4th story and below?
gositels look those up. I stayed in one. it is a prison unless ur lucky to rent a larger room with a window. it's for students mainly who can't afford a place. but they are closets.
Sure bigot. One guy did one thing stupid so thousands of people you never met have somehow been proven to have no humanity. You are proof that people on TH-cam have no humanity. See how stupid that looks?
Don't know that I can get down with "most" since I doubt I could even name most billionaires, but with just those two, I would say it's 50/50. Buffet gives a freaking tremendous amounts to charities and last I knew was even still driving his 1998 Cadillac and still living in Omaha. He's one of few ultra rich that are part of an agreement to give like 90% of their wealth to charity (don't remember the exacts, and not going to Google cheat to look smart). I'm sure he hasn't always been this way, but I don't think most people are the same at his age as they were when they were 20
@@myphone7568 Buffet Spends A great deal on public relations. I'm suspicious on exactly what he is selling. He has buys up companies and closed them down and laid off all the employees and shipped the business off shore for profit contrary to his PR. He may not be a narcissist but he still is driven by greed and public image. He is not who you think he is! Remember you are who you hang out with! Money grubbers.
I went to college 35 years ago... and even I wouldn't know what college-age kids would want or need in a dorm building. I can't imagine a 92 year old has his finger on the pulse of the 18-20 crowd.
The International Building Code, which is used or referenced throughout most of the U.S., requires a window (an emergency egress opening) in sleeping rooms in basements and the first four stories above grade; When you get above four stories there are a different set of life safety features that have to be met. But typically a dorm/apartment building is the same plan on each floor stacked.
In addition, every space used for human habitation is required to have natural light through means of a glazed opening (window). However, the size of the glazed opening is dependent on the room size, and may open onto a courtyard.
I could see there being VERY NEGATIVE mental health effects on university students crammed into one of these spaces. People in that age group are going through a lot of stress and change, probably living away from home for the first time, possibly with no family or friends nearby, dealing with attending classes and assignments and normal social pressures. Sometimes you just need some sunlight and fresh air to clear your head.
We already know the damage to health that disruption to circadian rhythm can have from artificial light and window shades. Now imagine a dorm where it's possible that students literally cannot see sunlight for days straight while studying because there are no windows.
YES! Brilliant! Thank you! As I see it the overriding issue of our nation is lack of education. The larger the percentage of educated citizens, the better our overall quality of life.
They could actually do the ethical and morally right thing and say no thank you. If you donate to our college then we will do with the money what we will because if not then it would not be a donation but a conditional sales of purchase. If you give a gift but put conditions on it then it is no longer a gift but a purchase of your character and your being. If you put conditions on love then it is no longer love but a manipulation. It would feel great to your soul to refuse that money because it’s most likely dirty.
This looks like the old Soviet style communal apartments - where everyone has one room for themesleves, and the kitchen area is shared between the residents. It's a hellish environment, those apartments were universally hated and abandoned after the war as soon as Khruschev started building traditional apartment buildings. It's just misguided frugality. What's the point of being a rich country if your students live like Soviet people lived in the 1920s.
@@BlackJesus8463 when you live in a dorm (which most universities require for at least the first year unless you can prove outside accommodation to their standards), you don’t get to choose the dorm, you’re assigned a dorm and room. The only reason I got out of the dorm requirement was because I lived with family.
It’s literally what billionaires do. They have mega yachts that are several hundred feet And then they have a 30 foot or so normal size yacht with its own storage bay inside the mega yacht. They use the 30 foot yacht as a ferry
@@rich-qk7dc I think the smaller yacht is the one that carries the helicopter as the big one has too much stuff (swimming pool etc) on it for the copter. I don't think the smaller one fits into the larger one.
You should have the floor plan that these "cell clusters" are grouped up in... this place will be an awesome mess in the event of a fire. Oh, and there are only two entrance/exits for the entire structure.
@@stevechance150 I'm sorry, I should have written, "If the building code allows danger, in USA, that's on the electorate. In USA Those that put laws and rules in effect are elected and those that enforce those rules and laws are appointed or hired by the former.
_Alexander the Great Capitalist cried when he saw there were no more politicians to buy. Then he picked himself up and started to build places to store surplus humans._
Make the whole thing out of asbestos? Install a halon system to flood any fires? Oh wait, does he expect people to actually live there?! I had more space than that in any of the barracks I lived in...
I mean we let Billionaires design everything else in our Country, Heatlhcare, Taxes, Minimum Wage, our response to Climate Change. and soon Infrastructure, so why not all the buildings too?
They did! The scene where the detective finds his brother's "dorm room" and the square-circle-triangle card on the desk - that room looked pretty much like these
2:54 the worst part is the price. keep in mind, dorms usually are not cheap to live in. so not only is it extremely uncomfortable, the price tag is unreasonable too.
@@BlackJesus8463 actually in a lot of cases, no the student can't. If you live more than 50 miles away (quite common) and are a first year student. Most universities require you to live on campus. Dorms are usually selected by preference, but sometimes you get stuck with whatever is left over. So no, in a lot of cases this won't be a choice.
@@BlackJesus8463 that's some world class victim blaming there. Sure why not make them choose between decent living conditions and going to college at all? If it is bad enough, I'm sure students will make the choice to attend elsewhere. It's about to be a buyer's market.
As an architecture student, there's a reason I go to school. Maximizing occupancy is never a top priority when designing anything. Because quality is always more important the quantity. In other words, rooms need natural light. A lack of natural light can impact a person's circadian rhythm, and even well-studied artificial windows don't address the awareness of artificiality, which inherently can effect negative moods in inhabitors of such spaces. As a college student who has had to self-isolate inside of their dorm because of COVID, not having a window might have pushed me over the edge. Also anybody who has had even a single accredited architecture class can tell you that what he is doing isn't architecture-it's supply chain management.
California Building Code 1205.2, requires that all habitable spaces (including dorm rooms) have natural light, "minimum net glazed area shall be not less than 8 percent of the floor area of the room served" and 1203.05 Natural Ventilation; The openable area of the openings to the outdoors shall be not less than 4 percent of the floor area being ventilated. In plain English, every room that will be occupied by humans needs to have operable windows that open enough to equal to 4% of the floor area for ventilation via fresh air and 8% of the floor area to allow the entry of daylight.
Thanks for saying what I was thinking out loud. This is probably the actual reason why the architect quit, as they can't stamp and sign that non-conforming nightmare.
I watched a video of a man who's neighbors built an addition that butted directly against his bedroom wall and completely covered his window (his home was right up to the property line) and it was interesting what he said about how just losing his bedroom window was effecting his health and welbeing.
I agree with this building, as long as Munger himself moves in and is required to stay there until such time as the building is razed, or renovated with windows and normal sized rooms.
I know many architects - REAL architects. This means ones that finished their schooling, have done the apprenticeships and then passed the very difficult multipart exam to become licensed. It is hard to put it mildly. I find it amusing that this zillionaire plays at being a real architect. What he has 'designed' is a horror as it's unlivable, probably cannot pass fire codes (two entrances in a building that size and NO windows in sleeping spaces!) and is ugly to boot. Tell the man to pass the test - then he can design all he wants. Money doesn't get you everything.
In the UK all new university dorms have ensuite bathrooms. They are really nice and each "apartment" has five ensuite bedrooms and a large kitchen facility with a carpeted dining seating area to hang out in. I'm a theatre producer and I'd often hire them for large casts when touring in the summer as they are usually better than most actor digs. Also, they are great for actors and crew as they can cook for themselves late at night after shows. Actually, if you are young and travelling to the UK I'd recommend them as they are cheap and central in most cities. I've always thought we should build blocks like these for the homeless. One or two buildings in every city would clear up the homeless problem.
My daily job is to work with homeless people to get them back into a home of their own. Your idea might sound compelling at first but I think it is a bad one. We already have dormlike structures to provide for the homeless. The circumstances are often horrible: theft, violence, drugs. Quite a lot of my clientel told me they rather sleep in the streets - even in the winter - just not to be there. Especially women. Also if you are living on the streets for some time it can be extremely hard to break your habits and/or get rid of those people that actually don't do any good to you. Having ghettos for the homeless will hardly change a thing. If you are interested in the topic you might research the housing first project, for about two years we have it in my city as well and the results so far are pretty good.
@@ickeausberlin36 - I didn't describe a "dorm." Have you ever been in modern student accommodation? As I explained each "apartment" has its own key and is for five people only. There are five private en-suite bedrooms that also have their own locked door. Each building may have 20 such apartments and so they could room 100 people in private rooms, five per apartment. You would obviously need 24hr security and strict rules for safety along the lines of those that are already working at the homeless facilities in my city. These are (I know because I volunteer with homeless people) a 12-midnight curfew, you cannot enter into each other's rooms even if invited and can only gather in the common area. If you arrive drunk or high you cannot enter, no drink or drugs or even smoking in the building or you will be removed. They have regular room checks. To be clear I am referring to using these as temporary accommodation while people wait for public housing or get themselves a private tenancy. In Edinburgh, where I live, we already house all local homeless people immediately upon presenting themselves to the council. So if you already live in Edinburgh and are made homeless you will be housed the same day in temporary accommodation. These are usually like guest houses with a number of individual bedrooms, but only house around four or five people in each one. They all have someone there 24hrs a day and have the same rules I just listed. However, they are often freezing cold, the shared bathrooms and toilets are gross, they are poorly insulated and mattresses etc are generally not in great condition. Little is spent on them as they are run privately for-profit and the staff can be demeaning to those staying at them. However, they are also incredibly expensive for the council as they are paying for 24hr facilities to house 4 people at a time. If you used blocks like the university accommodation, you would be paying two trained security guards for the entire building of 100 instead of 4 people. You would have cameras in common areas and halls to make sure only those that should be in each apartment are in them. You would have well-built buildings with controlled heating and security call buttons in each apartment. The rooms would also have their own bathrooms as students do and the building could have Wi-Fi for housing and job searches etc. This would be vastly superior and cheaper for the council than what they have at present. The other positive thing is that all these people would be in one place for, mental health, drug treatment, employment opportunities, retraining, education or whatever else the council offers. So people could go to the block and meet and help all these people in one place. At present they are housed all over the city and if they are struggling with addiction the council only hear when someone throws them back on the street from one of the private homeless guest houses. I don't claim to be an expert, but I've seen where the temporary homeless currently stay and how these places are run and I've stayed in student accommodation. The student accommodation is vastly superior and you could house far more people far cheaper allowing far more money for other services to help people get back on their feet. I cannot see any reason why people would not be as safe, if not far more secure, in such a block than they would in dozens of private guest houses. I'd also point out that you do not fix underlying mental health, drug or any other issues without providing services. Just housing people fixes nothing. If you get someone a private tenancy they will still have issues if they had them before. I had a look at your website and it doesn't seem to be addressing temporary housing, which is the stopgap between homelessness and having a home and is also where people need services to deal with the underlying issues I mention before permanent housing. Sorry to waffle on but this is very important to me and it is something I've thought about when seeing the awful places decent people have to stay. Although at least in Edinburgh we do house people immediately and I understand this isn't true in the rest of the UK. All the best.
You left out the part where the entire monstrosity would have only two doors. Shouldn’t this building be against the fire code? In my state, a window is mandatory in every bedroom. That seems like a commonsense minimum for safety, never mind mental health.
What a nightmare. In architecture school (I have a Barch degree), you learn about the psychological impacts of spaces like that, it's really damaging not to have light in one's living space.
oh, remember the other architecture failure, CA designer in Nyc forgot about snow fall, so each year, NYCkers have to avoid the death spike of icicle fall on this one tall glass building.
Just looking at the concept image of the room makes me claustrophobic and edges me toward a panic attack. And just because you're a billionaire, does not make you dictator on how people should live.
It wouldn't surprise me if he basically had to be forced to interact with other people when younger and joined a fraternity or something to do that. Soooo he is actually practicing what he preached lol
Why not go further? You could have even more capacity and more time spent in common areas if their "rooms" are just beds that slide into the wall like a giant morgue.
I hope Chris' staff didn't get this from Reddit, but I did. The proposed dorm and the billionaire's rationale for the design reminded me of a prison, except the only thing is, American prisons have actual standards they have to be built to. There's a reason why this guy isn't an architect: He thinks he knows better than all the other architects and engineers who helped make things like building codes a reality.
More evidence that vast wealth makes these people lose all contact with reality. Thinking you're as good as someone who spent years being trained as well as the experience that goes with it is really a great example of privilege.
A 97 year old man with billions of dollars and delusions of architecture isn't just sad, it's irresponsible someone hasn't put him in a nice retirement community, siphoned off his money and put it toward building and maintaining limited income persons and families housing developments, put it toward hospitals, clinics, preventative care centers, etc. Maybe keep just a tiny little bit for yourself so you too can live.
This is not an indictment on _money._ The billions didn’t make this man stupid (in this arena). The billions only *revealed* his stupidity. Most non-architects would design a horror of a building if given the opportunity. Thankfully, that seldom happens.
@@beverly719 Your examples seem to have been typed in invisible "ink". Could you list them again and see if everyone agrees that they are "definitely NOT well designed"? Without that consensus, is there a reason the rest of us should trust your opinion as good judgment on architecture? Perhaps you've won the Pritzker Prize yourself?
As someone who worked in an office place without windows.... it's depressing to say the least. I can only imagine how depressing it would be to live in those dorms.
Not only would the dorm be unpleasant to live in, it would also be dangerous. As I understand it, there would be 4,500 people living there but only two entrances/exits. You couldn’t pay enough….
@@kingpest13 For you and me, we will always have unfilled dreams and hopes. We will always have something to strive for whether it be for ourselves or our children. He has everything material he could want and needs to do something fulfilling. With that said, creating a prison like environment for college students is appalling. One would think that by the time we reach his ripe old age, that we would have learned something in life.
Egress is the ability to escape from a burning building. Every bedroom needs a 2 1/2 foot space to egress. In the National building codes. This prison wouldn’t fly with building codes.
It also shows what he thinks of ordinary people, that they'll be find scrunched into to tiny rooms. What do they really need? No concept of what's healthy for people.
The International Building Code CHAPTER 4 LIGHT, VENTILATION, AND OCCUPANCY LIMITATIONS SECTION 403 - VENTILATION 403.1 Habitable spaces. Every habitable space shall have at least one openable window. The total openable area of the window in every room shall be equal to at least 45 percent of the minimum glazed area required in Section 402.1.
And thus, this is a violation up to the City of Santa Barbara to enforce. Registered architects AND builders also have a duty and role in enforcing the code.
Unfortunately, there are unlimited numbers of Architects, designers, and builders that will do anything to get or keep their jobs by satisfying their client's egos. That's why the minimum building code requirements were created and enforced by local code officials to protect the public from unscrupulous builders and owners.
Munger is a monster. Put him in a jail cell without a window for a day then he’s going to understand. Money and ego is too bad. “Vanity is my favored sin”.
People think the more money you have, the smarter you are. Not only rich people think this. Trump ran on it and convinced a lot of people that he was indeed, a "stable genius".
This is how they approach pretty much everything. "Let's not make a public space that people want to enjoy." Rather "Let's make the private living space as uncomfortable as possible to make everyone in it want to leave it."
I wonder if these rooms are soundproof as well. This is definitely giving me some George Orwell's _1984, Logan's Run, Hunger Games,_ and even now _Squid Games_ vibes.
When everybody's done 'raging' over how bad this room design is, can we acknowledge that this is EXACTLY how dorms have been designed for literally 40 years? Parents have, for the past several decades, dropped their sons and daughters off at institutions offering EXACTLY these kinds of living arrangements, and every parent has left their children willingly. If your kid is in college and can't figure out how to get fresh air, make friends, or go outside, maybe they need to be janitors.
Lol my thoughts exactly. Essentially we have a man GIVING a significant portion of his net worth away and we have a rich man on tv complaining about it and a bunch of brats in these comments who know nothing about Charlie Munger complaining.
This is not too dissimilar to the dorm room housing I encountered my freshman year in 1972. Small, cramped rooms. I could, and did, prop my feet on my work desk across the room from my bed. By the way, I'm only 5'7". Plus, we got to share this tiny space with a room mate. Community bathrooms for the entire floor. A tiny, TINY vertical slit of a window that had a lovely view of a swamp. The school was also using the reasoning that thee cramped quarters would force the students to intermingle in commons rooms on each floor. And that is where I learned that for most of the 18 year olds in the dorm, this was the weekend mom and dad left the house with you in charge and a full fridg. Studying. Normal (in my mind) social interaction were seldom considered. One year living with fellows I avoided in high school was enough for me. My question, what are the plans for emergency evacuation of these units? It looked to me that there was exactly one exit door for 20+ disorganized students.
Instead of a nation guided by principals and community involvement we're becoming a nation guided by the whims of billionaires.
This cannot end well.
Kleptocracy.
One possible conclusion: through policies which allow the redistribution of wealth into the hands of the richest 1%, said group becomes literally the only group in the US with any money, at which point they leave and the country collapses. At this point one of three things occurs: the nation rebuilds, either at the same size or as a set is smaller nations comprised of one or more states from the original US, neighbouring countries absorb parts of the region into themselves to stabilize the region, or a more hostile nation annexes territory causing further destabilization.
@@Swampert384 let the billionaires leave. If they produce anything of value then there will continue to be a demand for it and a young entrepreneur will step in and provide it. It might take 20 small companies to replace one large corporation but that's better than the nation being held hostage by their threats.
Not "becoming". We've always been a nation guided by the whims of billionaires....
his building design shows you exactly how he views those that are the working class propping up his bank account. instead of paying taxes they want to imprison us.
anyone I have ever met who went to prison at least had a window in their cell
with real sunlight...
@@spiderpickle3255
Sorry, but no. Many prisons and most jails have no windows and the glass panel fictive window streaming florescent light is copied from cell design. All prisons are modled on the panopticon conception of Utilitarian philosopher Jeremy Bentham, and the plastic faux window provides the necessary backlight to make observation of the prisoner easier for the Oinker in the observation station. Jails have about the same level of natural light as a submarine. That is how the controlling power demands it to be.
@@davidsenderodelsanto calling the handful of people I know who went to prison liars about having a cell window. Nice.
@@spiderpickle3255 u can't even call it a window. Most of the time it's frosted so u can't see out of it and it never opens. It's also maybe two inches wide if that and so high up you can't see out of it and even if u could it's frosted glass so u can't really. That's not a window. Maybe speak for yourself because your friends know Jack sh*t
@@Valvad0ss the federal pen near where I live does in fact have windows that can open and are large enough to be nothing else but a window.
Just depends on the level of the prison, the one nearby being level 2 (low security)
So when a student wakes up at 3AM to the sound of the fire alarm and the smell of smoke, they stumble to the door, and find out that the door is hot to the touch, are they able to escape through the "fake window"? Can they at least open the "fake window" so that they can breathe?
The thing that stuck with me was that the design designates TWO exits in the entire building for 4500 students! In a fire scenario most would be dead, from the stampede to the only doors, and the rest from smoke inhalation and the fire itself. I find it hard to believe any jurisdiction in this country would sign off on this monstrosity.
How could you escape through a fake window? If it were a hole in the side of the building it would be an actual window. This is just a lighting panel. The point of it is that the bedrooms are not on the outside of the building meaning you can fit a lot more bedrooms in the building because you can use all the space, not just the outside.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 you know the question was asked because it is a "fake window". What are you trying to tell us here?
Please read the first comment again. 🤦♂️🤦♀️
I condem him to spend his remaining days in a room just like that with no window .
It reminds me of the rooms the poor Chinese factory workers have to live in because they have run out of room for all the people. They have many suicides in those buildings
Thanks
You’re ignoring the information about large community spaces.
@HighCommand GAFE because parents didn't go to college? STFU
@@cherylannebarillartist7453 No, you are disregarding the information about tiny rooms with no windows. People need their personal space.
It seems to me that Mr. Munger was never a college student, or at least never lived in an actual dormitory. If he had, he would realize that students stay in their rooms to study, which they need to spend a lot of time doing in order to graduate, the whole purpose for being there. Socializing only happens when the studying is done, and it does not need to be forced by the methods he thinks it does. The lack of windows presents a serious problem when the electricity goes out. Plus he does not have any plans for an emergency, particularly fire escapes and exits, which are essential since fires can certainly occur in dorms. All in all, a poor design, in violation of numerous building codes, which the consulting architect certainly realized. Hopefully, it will be rejected by the university, which can overrule even billionaires.
"Plus he does not have any plans for an emergency, particularly fire escapes and exits,"
he had consulting architects.
I'm sure they'd have put those things in.
my college had suites like that, but with windows.
and fire exits.
iirc, the buildings held about 250 students, tho, not 4500.
But then again, money speaks louder then wisdom, and greed overrules all,
I lived in a college dorm not that long ago. Studying never happened in it. Studying happened at the library. The dorms had people sneaking in booze and dope mostly and kids acting stupid. That is why so many get out and can’t gain employment to pay for all of those loans. Don’t try to tell me kids cannot work and go to college. I got 2 degrees, the last in engineering and I worked an almost full time job while getting it. I studied at the library at night, took my classes in the morning, worked construction after lunch and every weekend and holidays and got out with about 10k in debt. So yes, if you want it you can do it.
@@joefrederick6471 I wish we had more young people like you in the US. It is only my opinion but it seems that since parents focused on providing luxuries for themselves and their children by having two working parents that these parents either did not have the time or take the time to instill proper values. Many of their children were raised by virtual strangers in day care centers, after school programs or in home babysitters. The consequence is US society is failing.
@@deborahmerkerson1145 thank you. I did have my mother at home and my father was a farmer while also taking care of other farms and also doing any odd job he could find to make some extra. He was out most days just like any other job and on the weekends, but on the weekends he had help (me lol).
So this guy's so disassociated from normal people's everyday reality that his idea of a living space is a place that makes you so uncomfortable you want to leave it.🤔
It makes sense to me, it’s safer in harsh weather and given that most young people today are extremely anti-social it seems like a great idea to give everyone their own little space, and a big common area where they can all get to know eachother and have real interactions.
I kind of love this idea.
@@Twatshot it doesn't make much sense in regard to architectural standards in residential buildings where the goal is to increase access to natural lighting and comfortability of living space.
Also, if you make communal areas interesting enough and desirable to be in then you don't have to make residences undesirable to be in in order to force the residents into the communal areas.
This guy is just another rich dip$#!+ indulging his own fantasies, like one of the koch's kids, with no skill and little concern for how the spaces will affect the people in them.
@@barbiedahl If AOC had designed this, and said the same thing about the design, you'd be cheering it!!!
@@painkillerjones6232 No, AOC isn’t an architect and neither is Munger. But I’m sure her plan would include windows!!!
@@Maggie-rr8gi AOC doesn't know the difference between a toilet and a water fountain.
Arrogance of an ossified billionaire. (Retired architect here.) I shudder at the thought of students living in this termite hive. Don't think any jurisdiction would issue a building permit without some sort of operable windows for emergency egress. Thankfully for society we don't get to live forever no matter how rich.
Agreed. Dr. Thomas Story Kirkbride certainly knew the importance of humans having windows, natural lighting and fresh air circulation. I believe he called it "Moral Treatment", and we know who his clients were, it appears they were given better regard a century ago. I went to a State University of New York school, (U.B.) and the dorms there were all palatial in comparison and all had large opening windows and at least double the square footage, even on my ninth floor single. I.M. Pei designed the dorm I first lived in, it was also very efficient and cost effective architecture, even semi-modular I believe, but also a comfortable and relatively spacious place to reside.
Count me as a devil's advocate here. Couldn't we simply mimic natural light and create the same effects as is being attempted here? I guess I'm coming from the perspective of someone that has spent a little too much time in a VR headset lately. Are windows really that exciting, or are they largely artifice and a healthy dose of neurons in our brain telling us that there's a grandiose outdoors just beyond our precipice, beckoning us to be a part of the world? The entire criticism about the building revolving singularly around windows seems a little silly regardless. That's literally the chief complaint: Windows. Can emergency egress not be accomplished by having multiple exits immediately outside the doorway in the communal space? What's the difference?
@@niarazu3883 And if a fire or a shooter is right outside my door and I have no other way out of the room, then what? Are you that unimaginative?
Human beings need natural light and fresh air to maintain good mental and physical health. Ask any physician or health professional. It has nothing to do with wondering what’s “out there” in the “great beyond” or whatever such nonsense you are postulating.
@@niarazu3883 please touch grass there are countless reasons why absence of sunlight is damaging and inhumane.
@@nylahanna5891 Name a few that artificial light and supplements can't solve =)
Being filthy rich doesn't make you a good human being - it does, however, give you a vary plush level of disconnection from real life.
It is just that disconnect everyone loves and wants!
It would be nice if the filthy cleaned up here on earth and not in another vanity space rocket. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Charlie designing a dorm? A building for public use? How's it possible that the local authority will even certify it "fit-for-human-occupation", OR that a licensed architect will even affix his signature to it? Buildings (especially public ones, and for human occupation) are legally supposed to follow "life safety" codes, which include codes for natural lighting and ventilation (which is WHY apartments are designed with EVERY HABITABLE ROOM with window, amongst others) AND wattabout fire-safety which include escape routes and capacity of route to evacuate within a certain time (usually 15min). So was this "death trap" ever build or it is just fake story?
Aw, Munger's not a bad guy. Disconnected from the average person, sure. Probably less because of his money and more because he's almost 100 years old and lives like a monk.
Not really a disconnection considering how one earned this much money means you have to be in the know of real life.
"It's normal for architects to disagree."
Yes sure, but, dude, you are not an architect.
"I've got $200 Million that says otherwise" .. 😆
Beggars can’t be choosers.
@@austinluepkes5484He paid only a small part of the buildings cost with his donation. That is ok for nebulous thing like buildings name, but not ok when one gets to determine everything about the building, and others paying the majority of the costs for the building.
@@Stroporez $200 Million
@@austinluepkes5484 Yeah, nah. The whole thing costs 1.5+ billion. It is also 1/3 more expensive per student to build that other dorms.
NBC NEWS:
"The proposed building, dubbed Munger Hall after donor Charlie Munger, would house 4,500 students in a 1.68 million-square foot complex with only two entrances. The project is expected to cost $1.5 billion."
So being rich is all the qualifications you need to be an expert on…anything, really.
Hey some thought it qualified them to be president thinking they alone can fix it
Part of the disconnect is he's incredibly successful in his chosen field, the disconnect is assuming that translates into any other field. And the parts of his personality that for him to where he is today are the same traits he's applying to architecture.
Less dramatic but my guilty pleasure are those shows about failed businesses where some expert, usually with an accent, yells at them for being idiots. There's a lot of people who have made a lot of money and have decided to go into a related but dissimilar field. Like someone who was a caterer opening a restaurant or someone who figured being a landlord translates to hotel. And they all have they ideas from their old fields that definitely worked for them before. If they took ten minutes to ask anyone with more experience that works for them they'd be better off but hubris gets in their way.
@Luke Rabin • 10s of millions of Americans agreed with you when they voted for a builder to be President of the USA. I gave up voting for "business" people once I was forced to do a real analysis of the job qualifications for President. Business people get to hire and fire but a President needs to work with a legislature chosen by others.
So the rich think
@@Name-cz5jj if that socalled rich billionaire is Trump he started his fake empire with daddy's money. Daddy bailed him out of failed venture after venture until he died and ever since the bankruptcy courts have bailed him out of his debt. His hotel in DC has gone down the toilet now too. Trump's not a business man I would follow
If I were a billionaire, I would pursue my one true passion:
formal wear for hamsters.
Thank you! There really is no good formal wear for them!
It's a travesty.
Somebody give this guy ridiculously large piles of money stat.
Do we start a gofundme, Kickstarter, what do we have to do to make this happen? Even tho he’s passed, Bubbles Houdini def shoulda had some formal wear, being oh so debonair with his long hair!
vests, top hat, cane and spats!
Foolish to say architects disagree when one of them isn't an architect. Just as well he didn't want to try his hand at surgery, or the design of a computer operating system.
Could be that it's energy efficient? But at 97 yrs old I'm surprised he's still alive.
@@Chicago48 how could a building be energy efficient if it requires electricity to produce the light and air that under regular circumstances would come through windows? It’s not rocket science to see that the whole thing is a vanity project, an energy drain made merely to prop up one old billionaire’s fragile ego.
This is exactly why allowing billionaires to donate their money instead of taxing it is so wrong, they are completely dislocated from reality and the needs of people.
And government is not?
@@bmphil3400 but what about govt, is not a helpful response to the topic of billionaire taxation policy. We need to increase the corporate tax rate asap bc these guys "donating" or "contributing" to society is merely a facade as seen in the video above
You are right they are out of touch with reality. That's why george soros is a Democrat. Let's go brandon 👏
@@bmphil3400 not when it is *for the people* - the problem is that currently it is for the corporations. Not to mention, cold war propaganda brainwashed multiple generations into believing *all* government oversight is wrong. The most quintessential example is every how other developed country's governments actually negotiate prices of medicine and medical care on behalf of their people - whereas in America they allow corporations to charge whatever they want. The fallout of cold war propaganda created a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts where they convinced everyone that government is by it's very nature corrupt, which allowed ours to become so. Now we have legalised bribery, bought off politicians, and rampant insider trading - all at the detriment OF THE PEOPLE.
Furthermore - you can't expect a fundamentally exploitative and corrupt economic system (capitalism) to remain "free and fair" when the governing body - the government - is *allowed* to become corrupted. The only way to fix a broken economic system is to first fix the broken political system. If you assume the political system will always be corrupt or broken, then your economic system will follow suit by default.
@@bmphil3400 It is less disconnected than those weird billionaires.
Most of my daughter's life in college was studying in her own dorm room- we tried to make it as comfortable and study friendly as possible-
Exactly. Living spaces should feel like a home, not like a pen or cage.
@@barbiedahl one day you can buy one of your own, for now the one the nice man paid for will suffice.
@@austinluepkes5484 So you believe that people who can't afford to buy apartments or houses, should be subjected to dorms equivalent of prison cells?
@@LS-Moto you know what they say about assume, buddy
@@austinluepkes5484???
That looks worse than a glorified detention center. Even inmates get an actual window. Only plus to this is it looks like it is a single bedroom and not roommate style like most dorms. This is what happens when you let someone nearly 100 years old and has no idea what a young person or human needs to thrive, dictate from his Billion dollar life. I bet his bathroom is bigger then my whole apartment, thank God for my 4 windows.
Usually people pay extra to have single dorms later on. We had to live with a roommate the first year and it helped me meet people. We certainly left our rooms plenty and happily. The point in him making them singles is to isolate them from other people and any sense of the outside world with the theory that it will make them want to seek social interaction in their common areas. Jails and prisons don’t always have windows, but exposure to sunlight is very important to one’s mental health. The only thing that makes this better than jail or prison is that they do have the freedom to come and go as they please. Most normal cells are not that small, solitary is 8x10 and I am assuming these are not much larger. Like the other architect said this, “is a social and psychological experiment with an unknown impact on the lives and personal development of the undergraduates.”
Lol. Apparently you’ve never lived in college dorms. This actually looks like a massive improvement. You not only get your own private room, which isn’t much smaller than many dorms. You also get access to a larger “living” space without having to share it with 100 other people. As long as the ventilation is good, and that “window” is lit by full spectrum daylight bulbs, then I’d have been happy to live in it when I was in college.
Hi Blessed Girly, your comment makes you sound like a spoiled brat.
Thank building codes for your 4 windows, exit plans, travel distances, multiple exits, many safety features, pressurized and fire protected stair wells that empty to the outside and much, much more. Nothing in the Bible about all that.
@@mrarchaicworld I have lived in four different college dorms. One of which we had single rooms with a common space. There were four people to a suite and large ACTUAL windows, with real fresh air and real daylight. Not bloody lightbulbs and air vents. Ffs. I liked living with a roommate the rest of the time and actually getting a normal college experience with the other students. I have a bedroom with no windows right now and I regret ever buying this place because of that. It is absolutely depressing. With a heavy course load and other factors, students will be spending a lot of time in these rooms and I worry for their mental health as a result of it.
As an architect who’s designed a large dormitory… this is both darkly hilarious, sad, and potentially deadly at the same time.
Same. I'm not a dormitory expert, it's one of the few things I havnt worked on at this point, but doesn't the code stipulate that sleeping spaces require a window as part of egress on the 4th story and below?
gositels look those up. I stayed in one. it is a prison unless ur lucky to rent a larger room with a window. it's for students mainly who can't afford a place. but they are closets.
"It's not getting any smarter out there."
-- Frank Zappa
Each floor is meant to house 512 students. One floor alone!
Munger has designed a BORG CUBE!
You will be assimilated
I looked him up dude is a mathematics major in college before being a soldier in WWII. I wonder where he got his ideas from....
WTH
Can fit more students in the building if they sleep standing upright (a.k.a. Borg Alcove).
@@Warsie well glad someone in the comments section at least knows one thing about Munger…
This proves that most billionaires have no Humanity. They do this kind of thing to feed thier narcissism and to increase their wealth.
I agree. I think the seeds of the necessary sociopathy are fertilized like miracle grow with dolla bills.
@Sheila Stean only that trump isnt a billionaire. 😄
Sure bigot. One guy did one thing stupid so thousands of people you never met have somehow been proven to have no humanity. You are proof that people on TH-cam have no humanity. See how stupid that looks?
Don't know that I can get down with "most" since I doubt I could even name most billionaires, but with just those two, I would say it's 50/50. Buffet gives a freaking tremendous amounts to charities and last I knew was even still driving his 1998 Cadillac and still living in Omaha. He's one of few ultra rich that are part of an agreement to give like 90% of their wealth to charity (don't remember the exacts, and not going to Google cheat to look smart). I'm sure he hasn't always been this way, but I don't think most people are the same at his age as they were when they were 20
@@myphone7568 Buffet Spends A great deal on public relations. I'm suspicious on exactly what he is selling. He has buys up companies and closed them down and laid off all the employees and shipped the business off shore for profit contrary to his PR. He may not be a narcissist but he still is driven by greed and public image. He is not who you think he is! Remember you are who you hang out with! Money grubbers.
prisoners watching this news story from their much more comfortable cells: "that place sucks"
looks like a max security prison designed by Ikea haha.
I went to college 35 years ago... and even I wouldn't know what college-age kids would want or need in a dorm building. I can't imagine a 92 year old has his finger on the pulse of the 18-20 crowd.
Sheesh! At least the Building Code here in Ontario Canada would not allow a bedroom without a window.
It seems obvious for escape of: fire, deranged ex-lover, Jason and/or Freddie, etc. 😆. I couldn't help it.
The International Building Code, which is used or referenced throughout most of the U.S., requires a window (an emergency egress opening) in sleeping rooms in basements and the first four stories above grade; When you get above four stories there are a different set of life safety features that have to be met. But typically a dorm/apartment building is the same plan on each floor stacked.
In addition, every space used for human habitation is required to have natural light through means of a glazed opening (window). However, the size of the glazed opening is dependent on the room size, and may open onto a courtyard.
No windows no screen glare!
@@daniel_sc1024 Even prisons. That’s why you see those narrow windows.
Why no windows in a beach city in Central California.....no natural light....terrible idea
He's a WWII vet
I could see there being VERY NEGATIVE mental health effects on university students crammed into one of these spaces. People in that age group are going through a lot of stress and change, probably living away from home for the first time, possibly with no family or friends nearby, dealing with attending classes and assignments and normal social pressures. Sometimes you just need some sunlight and fresh air to clear your head.
“You don’t have to turn this into something. It doesn’t have to upset you.” - Marcus Aurelius
Boo hoo.
We already know the damage to health that disruption to circadian rhythm can have from artificial light and window shades. Now imagine a dorm where it's possible that students literally cannot see sunlight for days straight while studying because there are no windows.
@@JKSSubstandard They have outside now.
That's what the artificial window is for apparently for the circadian rhythm
He could have provided tuition to those students. It would have had a far greater impact
I agree
YES! Brilliant! Thank you! As I see it the overriding issue of our nation is lack of education. The larger the percentage of educated citizens, the better our overall quality of life.
They could actually do the ethical and morally right thing and say no thank you. If you donate to our college then we will do with the money what we will because if not then it would not be a donation but a conditional sales of purchase. If you give a gift but put conditions on it then it is no longer a gift but a purchase of your character and your being. If you put conditions on love then it is no longer love but a manipulation. It would feel great to your soul to refuse that money because it’s most likely dirty.
have unseen what people did during covid and still are? money talks even if people die
As the mother of two college students, this looks like a depressing nightmare. That dorm would have kept my kids from attending there.
This looks like the old Soviet style communal apartments - where everyone has one room for themesleves, and the kitchen area is shared between the residents.
It's a hellish environment, those apartments were universally hated and abandoned after the war as soon as Khruschev started building traditional apartment buildings.
It's just misguided frugality. What's the point of being a rich country if your students live like Soviet people lived in the 1920s.
even those had windows!
Nobody is forcing them.
@@BlackJesus8463 when you live in a dorm (which most universities require for at least the first year unless you can prove outside accommodation to their standards), you don’t get to choose the dorm, you’re assigned a dorm and room. The only reason I got out of the dorm requirement was because I lived with family.
@@doubtful_seer Dorm requirement has about as much power as a vaccine requirement. Fight me.
You missed the whole point.
Force people out in the common areas, so what if they don’t want to do that. What about studying for exams
You're kidding, right?
Whaaat studying in an university?
they have room to study in their rooms.
to sleep and study, that's it.
everything else outside.
some folks are introverts. That living situation is a nightmare for people who need to be alone a lot.
@@lynnemarie7885 You mean with the privacy of a closed door and no cellmate? XD
"Baby yachts to take them to the yachts." Hilarious!
It Really happens. Bezos Did it this year
It’s literally what billionaires do.
They have mega yachts that are several hundred feet
And then they have a 30 foot or so normal size yacht with its own storage bay inside the mega yacht.
They use the 30 foot yacht as a ferry
@@CantHandleThisCanYa not me I'd use a helicopter
@@rich-qk7dc I think the smaller yacht is the one that carries the helicopter as the big one has too much stuff (swimming pool etc) on it for the copter. I don't think the smaller one fits into the larger one.
@@Kim_Miller gonna have to design a bigger yaucht
You should have the floor plan that these "cell clusters" are grouped up in... this place will be an awesome mess in the event of a fire. Oh, and there are only two entrance/exits for the entire structure.
If the building code allows danger, that's on the electorate.
@@wadestanton I'm sorry, but how does "the electorate" directly impact building codes?
@@stevechance150 I'm sorry, I should have written, "If the building code allows danger, in USA, that's on the electorate. In USA Those that put laws and rules in effect are elected and those that enforce those rules and laws are appointed or hired by the former.
Maybe that is the intent…population control
_Alexander the Great Capitalist cried when he saw there were no more politicians to buy. Then he picked himself up and started to build places to store surplus humans._
"...picked himself up by his bootstraps..."
"SURPLUS HUMANS"!!!😂
It made me laugh,.... but I bet it's not a statement you'll be making in 10 years... if you're around.😶
'Surplus Humans' - I read it here first and I believe, I will read it in some popular dictionary in the not too distant future.
Let's go Brandon! FJB
Will the rent of a room in that building include treatment for claustrophobia?
Only for psychology majors. Sociology majors may get a 10% off voucher, but only if they maintain a 3.5 GPA.
What if there’s a fire? How do 4,500 leave the building single file?
Make the whole thing out of asbestos? Install a halon system to flood any fires? Oh wait, does he expect people to actually live there?! I had more space than that in any of the barracks I lived in...
That's the neat part: they don't.
Obviously they open the window and slide down the zip wire...
...or use the integrated glider...
I mean we let Billionaires design everything else in our Country, Heatlhcare, Taxes, Minimum Wage, our response to Climate Change. and soon Infrastructure, so why not all the buildings too?
Did Munger plan for the possibility of a need to quickly exit the building in the event of an emergency?
mhm.. Run to the center of the floor at the kitchen table and pray.
No because that would require him to value the lives of the people who are not ultra wealthy
They're not rich so what's the issue if they burn alive
@@MartintheTinman IKR.
If Squid Game had an episode involving a student dormitory, that would be it.
They did! The scene where the detective finds his brother's "dorm room" and the square-circle-triangle card on the desk - that room looked pretty much like these
2:54 the worst part is the price. keep in mind, dorms usually are not cheap to live in. so not only is it extremely uncomfortable, the price tag is unreasonable too.
The whole project seems just weird.
How is it not comfortable? You can rent a whole apartment if you want this America.
@@BlackJesus8463 actually in a lot of cases, no the student can't.
If you live more than 50 miles away (quite common) and are a first year student. Most universities require you to live on campus. Dorms are usually selected by preference, but sometimes you get stuck with whatever is left over.
So no, in a lot of cases this won't be a choice.
@@roguedogx Maybe you could just show a picture of a gun to the freshman's head? Maybe they're too dumb to get in anywhere else. XD
@@BlackJesus8463 that's some world class victim blaming there. Sure why not make them choose between decent living conditions and going to college at all?
If it is bad enough, I'm sure students will make the choice to attend elsewhere. It's about to be a buyer's market.
As an architecture student, there's a reason I go to school. Maximizing occupancy is never a top priority when designing anything. Because quality is always more important the quantity. In other words, rooms need natural light. A lack of natural light can impact a person's circadian rhythm, and even well-studied artificial windows don't address the awareness of artificiality, which inherently can effect negative moods in inhabitors of such spaces. As a college student who has had to self-isolate inside of their dorm because of COVID, not having a window might have pushed me over the edge.
Also anybody who has had even a single accredited architecture class can tell you that what he is doing isn't architecture-it's supply chain management.
Yeah, go to space, and don't come back
"I don't know a lot about architecture..." But at least you understand this. Munger clearly does not...
Cognitive Dissonance + Dunning-Kruger = these people
He's a mathematics major if that explains why he designed it like this
@@Warsie mathematics doesn't explain that design, sociopathy does. 😝
California Building Code 1205.2, requires that all habitable spaces (including dorm rooms) have natural light, "minimum net glazed area shall be not less than 8 percent of the floor area of the room served" and 1203.05 Natural Ventilation; The openable area of the openings to the outdoors shall be not less than 4 percent of the floor area being ventilated.
In plain English, every room that will be occupied by humans needs to have operable windows that open enough to equal to 4% of the floor area for ventilation via fresh air and 8% of the floor area to allow the entry of daylight.
Thanks for saying what I was thinking out loud. This is probably the actual reason why the architect quit, as they can't stamp and sign that non-conforming nightmare.
I watched a video of a man who's neighbors built an addition that butted directly against his bedroom wall and completely covered his window (his home was right up to the property line) and it was interesting what he said about how just losing his bedroom window was effecting his health and welbeing.
Allan White thank you for this. Are you in architect in California?
Don't forget the fire code. Lol
Ssshh now he will change the building code 😂
I agree with this building, as long as Munger himself moves in and is required to stay there until such time as the building is razed, or renovated with windows and normal sized rooms.
I know many architects - REAL architects. This means ones that finished their schooling, have done the apprenticeships and then passed the very difficult multipart exam to become licensed. It is hard to put it mildly. I find it amusing that this zillionaire plays at being a real architect.
What he has 'designed' is a horror as it's unlivable, probably cannot pass fire codes (two entrances in a building that size and NO windows in sleeping spaces!) and is ugly to boot.
Tell the man to pass the test - then he can design all he wants. Money doesn't get you everything.
In the UK all new university dorms have ensuite bathrooms. They are really nice and each "apartment" has five ensuite bedrooms and a large kitchen facility with a carpeted dining seating area to hang out in. I'm a theatre producer and I'd often hire them for large casts when touring in the summer as they are usually better than most actor digs. Also, they are great for actors and crew as they can cook for themselves late at night after shows.
Actually, if you are young and travelling to the UK I'd recommend them as they are cheap and central in most cities.
I've always thought we should build blocks like these for the homeless. One or two buildings in every city would clear up the homeless problem.
My daily job is to work with homeless people to get them back into a home of their own. Your idea might sound compelling at first but I think it is a bad one. We already have dormlike structures to provide for the homeless. The circumstances are often horrible: theft, violence, drugs. Quite a lot of my clientel told me they rather sleep in the streets - even in the winter - just not to be there. Especially women. Also if you are living on the streets for some time it can be extremely hard to break your habits and/or get rid of those people that actually don't do any good to you. Having ghettos for the homeless will hardly change a thing. If you are interested in the topic you might research the housing first project, for about two years we have it in my city as well and the results so far are pretty good.
@@ickeausberlin36 - I didn't describe a "dorm." Have you ever been in modern student accommodation? As I explained each "apartment" has its own key and is for five people only. There are five private en-suite bedrooms that also have their own locked door. Each building may have 20 such apartments and so they could room 100 people in private rooms, five per apartment. You would obviously need 24hr security and strict rules for safety along the lines of those that are already working at the homeless facilities in my city. These are (I know because I volunteer with homeless people) a 12-midnight curfew, you cannot enter into each other's rooms even if invited and can only gather in the common area. If you arrive drunk or high you cannot enter, no drink or drugs or even smoking in the building or you will be removed. They have regular room checks.
To be clear I am referring to using these as temporary accommodation while people wait for public housing or get themselves a private tenancy.
In Edinburgh, where I live, we already house all local homeless people immediately upon presenting themselves to the council. So if you already live in Edinburgh and are made homeless you will be housed the same day in temporary accommodation. These are usually like guest houses with a number of individual bedrooms, but only house around four or five people in each one. They all have someone there 24hrs a day and have the same rules I just listed. However, they are often freezing cold, the shared bathrooms and toilets are gross, they are poorly insulated and mattresses etc are generally not in great condition. Little is spent on them as they are run privately for-profit and the staff can be demeaning to those staying at them. However, they are also incredibly expensive for the council as they are paying for 24hr facilities to house 4 people at a time.
If you used blocks like the university accommodation, you would be paying two trained security guards for the entire building of 100 instead of 4 people. You would have cameras in common areas and halls to make sure only those that should be in each apartment are in them. You would have well-built buildings with controlled heating and security call buttons in each apartment. The rooms would also have their own bathrooms as students do and the building could have Wi-Fi for housing and job searches etc. This would be vastly superior and cheaper for the council than what they have at present.
The other positive thing is that all these people would be in one place for, mental health, drug treatment, employment opportunities, retraining, education or whatever else the council offers. So people could go to the block and meet and help all these people in one place. At present they are housed all over the city and if they are struggling with addiction the council only hear when someone throws them back on the street from one of the private homeless guest houses.
I don't claim to be an expert, but I've seen where the temporary homeless currently stay and how these places are run and I've stayed in student accommodation. The student accommodation is vastly superior and you could house far more people far cheaper allowing far more money for other services to help people get back on their feet. I cannot see any reason why people would not be as safe, if not far more secure, in such a block than they would in dozens of private guest houses.
I'd also point out that you do not fix underlying mental health, drug or any other issues without providing services. Just housing people fixes nothing. If you get someone a private tenancy they will still have issues if they had them before.
I had a look at your website and it doesn't seem to be addressing temporary housing, which is the stopgap between homelessness and having a home and is also where people need services to deal with the underlying issues I mention before permanent housing. Sorry to waffle on but this is very important to me and it is something I've thought about when seeing the awful places decent people have to stay. Although at least in Edinburgh we do house people immediately and I understand this isn't true in the rest of the UK. All the best.
how many of those rooms could fit into Munger's office?
Or how about his Great Grandchildren’s bedrooms.
You left out the part where the entire monstrosity would have only two doors.
Shouldn’t this building be against the fire code? In my state, a window is mandatory in every bedroom. That seems like a commonsense minimum for safety, never mind mental health.
What a nightmare. In architecture school (I have a Barch degree), you learn about the psychological impacts of spaces like that, it's really damaging not to have light in one's living space.
Who else is recalling the 'Architects' skit from Monty Python? ("....past the rotating knives, and through the sound-proof corridor.")
Ah yes, the abattoir.
oh, remember the other architecture failure, CA designer in Nyc forgot about snow fall, so each year, NYCkers have to avoid the death spike of icicle fall on this one tall glass building.
Which building is that?
CA architects spend 800 thousand for them to design something then spend another 50 thousand to fix everything cause they forgot that weather exists.
I predict anxiety and depression for undergrads. Just what is needed now.
There's a scientific correlation between natural sunlight and good mental health.
As I recall, we already had that without windowless dorms. At least you can't jump out the non-window.
Chris Hayes is one of my favorite comedians rn.
@Scott Manerez Who is this Chrissy guy, Mancows sister? Its like confusions over hear
You racists are terrible at wit. Why do you try so hard?
My big take away from this is that California building code doesn't have a window requirement for bedrooms. How are fire marshals okay with that?
Just looking at the concept image of the room makes me claustrophobic and edges me toward a panic attack. And just because you're a billionaire, does not make you dictator on how people should live.
Perhaps he should practice what he preaches ...and develop an old people's dorm to see if the notion also works for him.
It wouldn't surprise me if he basically had to be forced to interact with other people when younger and joined a fraternity or something to do that.
Soooo he is actually practicing what he preached lol
So basically prison cells disguised as dorm rooms....exactly what every college kid wants to go home to after a long day at school 🙄
“Long day at school”
Why not go further? You could have even more capacity and more time spent in common areas if their "rooms" are just beds that slide into the wall like a giant morgue.
So he basically designed something he wouldn't live in, but wants us to live in. Got it.
Well, at least it's good to see that the soundproof entrance corridor with conveyor belt to rotating knives wasn't a feature.
Woah woah woah! Let's just wait for the final revision before we go jumping to conclusions.
None of that “blood flying out the windows and inconveniencing the passers-by” with this design, oh no.
I hope Chris' staff didn't get this from Reddit, but I did. The proposed dorm and the billionaire's rationale for the design reminded me of a prison, except the only thing is, American prisons have actual standards they have to be built to. There's a reason why this guy isn't an architect: He thinks he knows better than all the other architects and engineers who helped make things like building codes a reality.
:"A holding cell in a moon colony." Brilliant!
Kent Brockman: "I for one welcome our new insect overlords."
Cosplay as an architect that killed me chris 😂😂😂😂🤦🏾♀️
More evidence that vast wealth makes these people lose all contact with reality.
Thinking you're as good as someone who spent years being trained as well as the experience that goes with it is really a great example of privilege.
A 97 year old man with billions of dollars and delusions of architecture isn't just sad, it's irresponsible someone hasn't put him in a nice retirement community, siphoned off his money and put it toward building and maintaining limited income persons and families housing developments, put it toward hospitals, clinics, preventative care centers, etc. Maybe keep just a tiny little bit for yourself so you too can live.
This is not an indictment on _money._ The billions didn’t make this man stupid (in this arena). The billions only *revealed* his stupidity. Most non-architects would design a horror of a building if given the opportunity. Thankfully, that seldom happens.
LOL 😂....I've seen buildings designed by professional architects that were definitely NOT well designed.
@@beverly719 Nowhere in my post was the assertion that *all* professional architects were good or competent.
@@beverly719 Your examples seem to have been typed in invisible "ink". Could you list them again and see if everyone agrees that they are "definitely NOT well designed"? Without that consensus, is there a reason the rest of us should trust your opinion as good judgment on architecture? Perhaps you've won the Pritzker Prize yourself?
As a Sims 4 builder, I am completely and utterly outraged by this building.
University needs to return the $$ with, "Thanks, but no thanks."
Good luck with that!!
As someone who worked in an office place without windows.... it's depressing to say the least. I can only imagine how depressing it would be to live in those dorms.
Here's the experiment: The billionaires can live there
Not only would the dorm be unpleasant to live in, it would also be dangerous. As I understand it, there would be 4,500 people living there but only two entrances/exits. You couldn’t pay enough….
As old as he is I thought he would design it to look like Bedrock from the Flintstones.
Now that would have been cool.
What mental disease does someone have to have that makes them work after they have more money than they can spend?
Mountainside dwelling is pretty...look at Vail, CO!
@@kingpest13 For you and me, we will always have unfilled dreams and hopes. We will always have something to strive for whether it be for ourselves or our children. He has everything material he could want and needs to do something fulfilling. With that said, creating a prison like environment for college students is appalling. One would think that by the time we reach his ripe old age, that we would have learned something in life.
Egress is the ability to escape from a burning building. Every bedroom needs a 2 1/2 foot space to egress. In the National building codes. This prison wouldn’t fly with building codes.
Wait, toxic level cash-hoarding is not a qualification for designing a living space?
Its not a qualification for governing a nation either.
I would not be surprised to hear a person like Munger comment that we need to "decrease the surplus population".
That’s like being an amateur surgeon…something has to go wrong,and it has.Nice work?
Those are a bunch of "Oversized Coffins" with artificial lighting is more like it!... 🤯
It also shows what he thinks of ordinary people, that they'll be find scrunched into to tiny rooms. What do they really need? No concept of what's healthy for people.
Scrunched into tiny rooms while he lives in room twice the size of an average house
I love that comment, "...cosplay as an architect."
You can’t even call yourself an architect without being certified, he has every right to get sued for this design.
The International Building Code
CHAPTER 4
LIGHT, VENTILATION, AND OCCUPANCY LIMITATIONS
SECTION 403 - VENTILATION
403.1 Habitable spaces.
Every habitable space shall have at least one openable window. The total openable area of the window in every room shall be equal to at least 45 percent of the minimum glazed area required in Section 402.1.
And thus, this is a violation up to the City of Santa Barbara to enforce. Registered architects AND builders also have a duty and role in enforcing the code.
Unfortunately, there are unlimited numbers of Architects, designers, and builders that will do anything to get or keep their jobs by satisfying their client's egos.
That's why the minimum building code requirements were created and enforced by local code officials to protect the public from unscrupulous builders and owners.
@Nicholas Milligan it’s literally the international building code
Masons do as they wish. They are actual Gods in their minds.
@@just1morething173 did one break your heart or something? The billionaire architect is to blame, hopefully this won’t get built
Wait...what??? There are baby Yachts to take you to the main Yacht! Definitely not my world 😅🤣
No yachts...kayaks!
This is true, wasn't it Bezos's new yacht had a baby yacht following?
All building codes that I am aware of require a bedroom to have “egress “. An emergency exit, other than the door, in case of fire, usually a window.
Codes also requires "Natural light and air"
Munger is a monster. Put him in a jail cell without a window for a day then he’s going to understand. Money and ego is too bad. “Vanity is my favored sin”.
Billionaires shouldn't exist.
People think the more money you have, the smarter you are. Not only rich people think this. Trump ran on it and convinced a lot of people that he was indeed, a "stable genius".
Thank God he used that knowledge to give us the greatest economy we ever had
This is how they approach pretty much everything. "Let's not make a public space that people want to enjoy." Rather "Let's make the private living space as uncomfortable as possible to make everyone in it want to leave it."
I wonder if these rooms are soundproof as well. This is definitely giving me some George Orwell's _1984, Logan's Run, Hunger Games,_ and even now _Squid Games_ vibes.
Snowflake thinks soundproofing is a human right.
@@BlackJesus8463 You know the purpose of these rooms are for people to become smart right?
When everybody's done 'raging' over how bad this room design is, can we acknowledge that this is EXACTLY how dorms have been designed for literally 40 years?
Parents have, for the past several decades, dropped their sons and daughters off at institutions offering EXACTLY these kinds of living arrangements, and every parent has left their children willingly.
If your kid is in college and can't figure out how to get fresh air, make friends, or go outside, maybe they need to be janitors.
Lol my thoughts exactly. Essentially we have a man GIVING a significant portion of his net worth away and we have a rich man on tv complaining about it and a bunch of brats in these comments who know nothing about Charlie Munger complaining.
"There's no 'tool' like 'an old tool,' and Munger _IS_ *OLD!* I wonder how much _HE_ would like having _THAT_ as *HIS HOME* for 9 months!
First time I’ve agreed w everything Chris Hayes has to say on a subject 👏
It looks exactly like a prison. The cells and the common rooms.
Of course! That's how you deal with large numbers of people in limited areas while still catering to basic needs.
I want to stay at your prison.
Who let Montgomery Burns design a dorm building?
I’m having Sam Lowry’s “office” from the film Brazil flashbacks.
This is not too dissimilar to the dorm room housing I encountered my freshman year in 1972. Small, cramped rooms. I could, and did, prop my feet on my work desk across the room from my bed. By the way, I'm only 5'7". Plus, we got to share this tiny space with a room mate. Community bathrooms for the entire floor. A tiny, TINY vertical slit of a window that had a lovely view of a swamp. The school was also using the reasoning that thee cramped quarters would force the students to intermingle in commons rooms on each floor. And that is where I learned that for most of the 18 year olds in the dorm, this was the weekend mom and dad left the house with you in charge and a full fridg. Studying. Normal (in my mind) social interaction were seldom considered. One year living with fellows I avoided in high school was enough for me.
My question, what are the plans for emergency evacuation of these units? It looked to me that there was exactly one exit door for 20+ disorganized students.
"Couldn't he have just... gone to space instead?"
Get's a "like" from me
He can build it but he has to live in it.
Hayes could make a seamless move to stand up comedy!
Imagine the stink- vomit, stale beer, sweaty locker room, old pizza boxes. 🤮