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I wasn't expecting you to make this video. I guess you got my suggestion via email I submitted earlier this year when you announced Traumathon 4. And I'm very glad that you did, because this is a element that often gets neglected when it comes to the Sam Raimi Spiderman trilogy. And its often the parts that traumatizes me as a child, and still disturbs me to this day. So thank you for this video, and I wonder how many people got scared or traumatized by these movies. Because for awhile, I felt alone with this experience.
This whole video was inspired by your email yes
@@Goosenpai crazy the amount of power the audience has
@@Goosenpai what is your email, i want to send something in
@@whelan5437 same lmao
ig I can post it here rq. I remember, as a kid, I was watching tv, and idk what happened but I eventually stumbled upon a show called "Operation Ouch" and it was a show about A&E for children, but like they would just show the full injuries, no censorship. the episode I remember was one about a kid who hurt himself on a bike, but the next segment is the part that's stuck with me: one about a kid who got a nail infection and had to have it removed while he was high on laughing gas. literally traumatic (as in it's stuck with me and nail stuff has become a sore point for me ever since)
I will say the nightmare that stuck with me was of me playing a Spider-Man game on a console made by V-tech. In the dream, i touched the joystick and then the tv flashed and spider man came on saying “OOOoooo, you touched the spider man!”
he then started convulsing and the TV started flashing colors, like seizure inducing
Uh, what
My dreams are sometimes exactly like that
I think I remember hearing that Spider-Man was designed to have a sort of uncanny, subtle horror to him, like how he crawls on walls with such a a strange, contorted pose.
Would've been great to have those deleted scenes from 3, but unfortunately, sometimes good things are taken from us.
Yes! Steve Ditko was chosen as the co-creator and original artist because they wanted to make a spooky-flavored series that would squeak under the radar for folks that were up in arms about horror comics. Ditko Spider-Man art has some excellent uncanny vibes.
Spiderman is not used for horror enough. This boy is part spider, and arachnophobia is super common.
@@Whatlander Yet another unsubstantiated myth about early Marvel. Steve Ditko was chosen as the co-creator because he was willing to work for the company. It could've been any other artist. Any uncanniness is coincidental; the old Spider-Man comics were not spooky/horror-themed whatsoever.
@@genericname2747 Spidey does dip his toes into horror sometimes. Man-Spider anyone?
It's there, it's just not focused on too much. Don't want to scare off mainstream audiences from SPIDER-MAN of all things.
@@fynnthefox9078 I love Man-Spider.
Also, Spidermans death in Marvel Zombies is one of the most horrifying things I've seen..
Sam Raimi's horror to me has never been that scary without truly sitting down to think about the implications of what he portrays, from a face value, it just looks pretty silly but when you think about it, its a lot darker. You honestly explained what implications the imagery Raimi portrays perfectly, for example the scene with the skeletons in Spider-Man 1. Absolutely love both Raimi's humor and horror, and he blends those well together.
The Evil Dead series is a great example of "looks silly, is actually really dark." In Raimis works, notably with evil dead 2 and the series, it delves into the darker undertones quite a bit.
Funny you mention finding the symbiote boring, because Raimi himself wasn't a big fan of Venom, but Sony and Ami Aryad sort of guilt tripped him into putting him in the film. Originally the movie was supposed to have Sandman, the New Goblin and the Vulture. They even had gotten to the making a physical prop of prototype wings. I do wish they kept the symbiote/Venom's idea of degloving Eddie and messing with his DNA/Skeleton, especially since Venom as a character in the comics seems to be based around space horror
One scene I'm surprised you didn't bring up was the balcony scene from the second. The scene where harry is standing on his balcony when he hears a thud at the bottom of the building. The sound then gets louder and louder as it gets closer to him, only to stop. Harry looks over the balcony, only to get grabbed by doc ock. The buildup was something straight out of a horror movie. I love it
Peel
Yes! Whoa that always scared the shii out of me!
Peel?
If Raimi had been given free reign on Spider-Man 3, we would have probably gotten one of the most horror heavy Spider-Man movie what with the Symbiote/Venom plot. There could’ve been some wildly icky and cool stuff, even beyond what what cut likely.
I was always terrified of Doc Ock's Awakening scene as a kid. The part that scared me the most was when one of the surgeons gets dragged by his arms.
As a kid, I actually covered my eyes during that scene.
Same here!!
Damn your pfp so cool
Also isn’t that the terrifying scene where it literally has no music it’s just the screams of the doctors ?
That scene was straight up from a horror movie
@@fynnthefox9078 I can’t blame ya because even now it still disturbs me
@@ahmadmalaki8364 Thanks, and yeah. It was terrifying.
Speaking of deleted scenes, does anyone remember that one Scooby Doo deleted scene where Velma was a monster and Daphne came into the locker room and Velma screams in her face with other monster-possesed girls? The lack of music and the way Velma twists her head scared the shit outta me
Which Scooby-Doo movie was this? The live action movie?
@@CoolBeanSoup Yeah i beleve he's talking about the first live action film from 2003
i remember that! i always thought it should have been in the final film, that and the rest of the deleted scenes (yes, ALL of them)
I worked with Dafoe on the Florida Project. He's an awesome guy, although he actually can be kinda creepy in person and I'm not sure if it's on purpose or not.
Admit it. You're *fond* of his lobster. 🍽️🦞
Oh that's definitely on purpose
Tbf dude is kinda creepy looking
Amazing actor tho
Why he just looks like Howard, from BCS.
One of my favorite details about the Spider-Man 2 hospital scene, and one that I don't see many people talk about even if they've even conscientiously noticed it is that if you go back and watch it, _not a single drop of blood is spilled throughout the entire sequence,_ and it's still as amazing as it is. Raimi is just brilliant.
The most scariest part in the Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy will always be the Bully Maguire scene:
_"I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye."_
_"Hoh, look at little Friendship Jr... Gonna cry?"_
I'm trembling in my baby seal leather boots
@@hairlessgrizzly559,
_"We know how this ends! With you, behind bars!"_
@@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398 Noice.
@@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398 "If you want to stop me, you'll to find me first, Metromon"
I think the way the goblin made the scream was the same way he was making the spunds of the crying woman, being that he was using an audio clip to mess with spiderman, same with the robe, he wanted spidey to get close without knowing its him and getting the drop on him
The scariest part of this video was "Get those jars ready."
"So get those jars ready!" *oh my god*
Also, completely agree. Raimi handled the Spiderman trilogy how a comic book movie should be handled. Balanced humor and horror, not trying to justify anything but delighting in both, the way comic books often do, as opposed to constantly sending nods and winks to the camera like "Yeah, we know this is stupid haha but we're the quirky ones," and therefore ruining the dark and serious moments - or alternatively, getting so into its dark side that any attempt at humor just sounds painful, like a comedian with a shattered femur.
I think Goblin managed to scream like that using a speaker within the mask, idk he probably just is some supernatural freak
i can always count on the new intro to have the dancing alien in the backrooms
Never understood why the early 2000s Spidey gets such flack. You hit the nail on the head the cast was superb! The director and crew were amazing. It had so much personality to it and you absolutely tell the crew was having alot of fun with it. Willem Dafoe was just chefs kiss
My favorite deleted scene is definitely the scene where it's revealed Eddie's been dead this entire time with the skeleton of him being all thats left of him. It conveys the same idea thats in the movie but in a much more way I think.
Yeah same here dude well I wish they would make a 3 hour cut of Spider-man 3 with all the deleted scenes added back in
7:40 Raimi didn't want to include then-fan favourite Venom because he simply wasn't familiar with that villain, only the ones from the 70s and 80s. He felt he couldn't do the character justice like he had The Green Goblin and Doc Ock. The Sandman origin scene hits so hard cause he definitely knew that character.
I just wanted to say that I've been loving traumathon 4 so far. I've been an avid watcher since I discovered the channel through the first traumathon series and always look forward to this series to set the tone for October. Thank you for all of the hard work you put into making each video!
That green goblin grenade had concentrated Oxigen collected during October, that scene was actually improvised, upon being exposed to it the extras immediately were forced to morph into their spooky versions
On the RamiCut trend on twitter, I definitely know that a "Raimi cut" of Spider-Man 3 wouldn't be possible for the mentioned reasons but an idea that's always brewed in my head was for them to make a Comic/WebComic out of the the ideas that couldn't make it into the films due to the runtime of the film ALA The 2002 Clone Wars animated series.
I always appreciate it when you give spoiler warnings regardless of how old or popular it is.
it's great to see goose boose appreciate the underappreciate scenes in SM1
(the house fire scene is one of my favorites in the trilogy)
I always thought the transformation from Peter to Spidey in the beginning of the first film was really scary. But probably cause I have arachnophobia
The intros to all the traumathons are so good, nice job.
To be fair, horror has been a Spider-Man thing since its inception not only he got his powers from scary things, spiders and radiation, but he also crawls on walls like a possession movie character. Not to mention Steve Ditko was a big name in horror after Spider-Man and it shows. The scene where Peter confronts Uncle Ben's killer is horrifying, especially in the new recolors, him hanging from a wall upside down, threatening to throw him off the building, the fucking pupils his mask had for whatever reason, chilling.
the first spiderman movie is still my all-time favorite spiderman and adored it as a kid, though rewatching it as an adult I was taken aback by the lowkey SCARY parts in it(ie the green goblin transformation, the green goblin's haunting voice talking to willem defoe's character in his mansion, the brutal final fight between the green goblin and spiderman) so finding out the director previously made horror movies is no longer a surprise lol
The Doc-Ock in the hospital and the Rose death scared me so much, that I couldn't watch the movie for a long time. I took 4 years to watch the hole scene with out skipping it
Raimi's Green Goblin was MADE for Dafoe. i mean, even looking at the beginning scene in retrospect, makes even more sense now. You can see just how possessed he was. It reminds me of Dracula Ascension and my Zod, did i love that movie and this original trilogy.
Spider man as a whole was always supposed to have horror influence and be fairly creepy, you can see this in the first ever spider man comic.
Wow,just wow,11 days,till Traumathon is over,it has been a blast!,and I can't wait to experience....11 more days...of Traumathon
11 days?! Wow time going too fast
Bless Sam Raimi for bringing his style to Spider-Man
I remember always hating the burning house scene in the first movie because it was genuinely terrifying every single time
I love how the actor who plays ash makes a cameo in all of the spiderman movies and because he changes his roles, people speculated that he would be mysterio
Jay from Red-letter Media described the Doc Ock scene in Spidey 2 as the best and scariest filmmaking Raimi has ever done. I kinda agree with him.
Now I want a serious take on a villain who's the bad guy for stealing a penny. Sounds hilarious
Fuck me the fucking skeletonizing scene in 'Spiderman 1' always freaked the hell out of me. Its a thing I have where like I can't see people getting reduced to bones in movies, like I could never watch 'Mars Attacks' because of the rayguns the aliens have, or the one scene in 'Kong: Skull Island' where the one soldier gets eaten by the weird lizard kaiju and has his skull wretched up; like shit like that just gives me the willies and makes my skin crawl.
I really want a compilation or maybe like an extended cut thing(with all the clips) of the intro, it's honestly so good.
I was very little when the first film came out. I remember the series being such a cultural influence in every aspect, to the point that seeing clips of the movie makes me nostalgic. Thing is, I never watched the movies past the first couple of minutes of the first film. Why? The scene of Peter getting his powers and the closeup of his finger freaked me out. I vividly remember being at a family friend’s house when I was like 6, one of the kids putting on the film which I was eager to see, then immediately leaving once I saw the finger hooks. Yeah, I’ve never done well with stuff embedded or protruding from the skin, and seeing the clip in here even made my body react. I’m not very squeamish to begin with, but things like that just immediately get to me.
I’m a big fan of campy, cheesy, and batshit crazy movies that try a lot of different things and aren’t afraid to be weird. I feel a lot more motivated now to watch through the movies, even if the 3rd isn’t the best. Oh, and I’ve really enjoyed Traumathon this year! Don’t overwork yourself Goose, all of us are able to wait if it means you get some time to rest
I'm pretty sure that by 'The symbiote had completely bonded with Eddie' didn't mean it has consumed him, as we can see his skull's entire structure had changed, like the Symbiote had replaced Eddie's own body, while he was still alive, just fully merged with it.
I love that scene with Doc Oc waking up! Definitely Evil Dead inspired with those pov shots from the tentacles, like the Deadite pov
I feel like you should have talked about the ending of spiderman 1 as well, it terrified me as a kid and is such a good scene. The two of them scrapping in the abandoned building when goblin tells peter let me be your father before trying to kill him and literally getting impaled by his own hoverboard.
Also while 2 wasn't as dark they did such a good job on doc ocs arms, i used to always imagine how if you got your skin caught between the metal segments of his tentacles it would just rip it off.
when I saw the title, I thought you were going to talk about how the really early spiderman comics had those horror vibes because he was originally published in one of those horror anthology magazines and was drawn much more cranky and skrungly than we normally see it today
Wait there was a Cranky Spidey?
The jumpscare in the burning tower would be more effective if they didn't use stock sound effects... Peter's a nerd, he'd recognize it instantly.
The scene that flashes @ 13:27 where the symbiote seems to have utterly consumed Peter always freaks tf out of me. The symbiote now looking more like skin than a suit, those teeth, and the scream (not heard in this vid). Damn.
You are indeed correct that the studio kept stepping on Raimi's toes during production. Raimi only wanted Sandman and Venom but the studio said Film 3 so you have to have 3 villains. 3 really lacks Raimi's loving touches. Still has a great scene with Sandyman forming together
thats actually incorrect! sam wanted sandman, harry as the new goblin, and the vulture but the studio pressured him into replacing vulture with venom. sam actually didnt like venom but got pressured into adding him
we appreciate you goose, for great videos each time
i can explain green goblin screaming in the burning building.
norman put a speaker into the mask, or maybe just had a soundbox thing in his hand that he triggered.
I noticed a clip from the Max Headroom broadcast intrusion in the intro, and I’m curious if you’re gonna cover it now. What I find not enough people mentioning when talking about the hijacking is the actual character of Max Headroom. Not from the intrusion, I mean, from the veejay program he originally came from. As a “CGI” robot who’s meant to satirize late-night personalities, Max can be pretty unsettling on his own. I know if you’re gonna cover it, you’re probably not gonna go in depth, but if you’re interested in seeing some weird stuff from the 80’s, I’d recommend searching up the Channel 4 Max Headroom show here on TH-cam.
Wow, that was a lot. Sorry about that 😅If you read this tho, thank you!
i was scrolling through the comments during the break and i had to rewind when i heard "get those jars ready!" just to make sure i heard that right
One of my favorite TH-camr’s talking about one of my favorite superheroes on my favorite yearly series. What a time to be alive! And I agree with ya Goose, as a Spidey fanatic I agree that the Raimi Trilogy sticks out from all super hero movies they simply don’t make like anymore.
I always say the hospital scene IS LEGITIMATELY A HORROR MOVIE. When I was a kid it scared me out of the theater and watching it as an adult I was gripping the goddamn couch.
Tobey Maguires Spiderman:"They Love me! They really love me!"
Seriously the Sam Ramimi Spiderman was my childhood and definitely is my favorite Spiderman! If you don't like Tobey Maguire Spiderman I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye.
This was somewhat close to my suggestion last year about some of the creepy stuff Marvel has done back in the old days, but this was a very unexpected and welcoming surprise Goose :)
Venom in the ultimate Spiderman comics its just like the scrapped idea, the simbiot drains eddie's body so he just traps people inside venom till they die or just disolve them
That one scene in Spider Man 2 with Doc Ock in the emergency room is pure evil dead style. Also Drag Me to Hell is one my favorite movies Sam Raimi has directed It was campy and horrifying.
THANK YOU. YOU FINALLY MENTIONED WHY I LOVE SPIDER-MAN V1 AND V2 SO MUCH. They never shied away from the sad fact that hero’s can’t save everyone. AND they held on to that fact and made it real and effective.
I had a lot of fun with Raimi's Spider-Man as a kid but god did Green Goblin give me nightmares. I still toughened it out in the end. Spider-Man to this day is one of my favorite heroes and Raimi is one of the best directors there is ♡
Spider-Man and horror have gone hand-in-hand from day one. It's why Steve Ditko was the co-creator and not Jack Kirby. Horror comics were under a lot of moral panic scrutiny and suppression, but a kid-friendly superhero that just happens to be drawn by a horror artist who gives him some nice, uncanny poses? No problem! (Or at least acceptable!) It's not like it's an overt horror series, but the desire to make something at least a little dark and unnerving is present in the original work. Raimi was the natural choice for the first of many Spider-Man cinematic reboots.
Rami's use of horror motifs in this series really highlights what modern superhero movies are missing; a sense of stakes or immersion.
Most modern MCU projects have the same inconsequential tone where nothing feels like it matters. People are always either in danger or dying yet no one takes it seriously. Theres no thrill or engagement to the drama because no one is ever scared of anything.
Even though Spiderman wasn't a horror movie the scenes showing genuine fear or violence humanized the cast and made the danger feel more tangible, and in doing so made the actual significance of the drama much more engaging.
2:00: _Oh are you now?_
8:33: The cute plush is too big to fit in a Jar, put it in a box and then you can have your Zerk off session with it.
a gallon jar should do the trick
Its become a tradition for me to watch your videos. I legit will listen to the mega-complations when I go to bed lmao
Why has no one talked about the dark suit transformation scene or when Peter attempts to remove the symbiote and Eddie becomes venom, true horror right there
Mysterio was always a character I wished they went more into the psychological horror aspect of. His first ever appearance in anything is him fucking with peter's mind so badly that he has to go see a therapist and it sucks we never really got to see that side of him much again until the nick fury fakeout scene in ffh
Idk how you made this movie so scary dude I do not remember it being this gnarly and I would watch it all the time with my brother what the hell!
It's probably to late for this years traumathon, but here's a really specific one for me.
If anyone ever played Kirby Superstar on the snes, There was one boss in the great cave offensive. It was the whale boss, but ever since I first played that game as a kid, This boss has terrified me. You walk out onto an impossibly thin wooden walkway in a dark cave filled with water. The whale shows up and admittedly looks kind of cute, but something about the way its animated gives be tremolandos anxiety. The whale breaches and sends kirby flying into the sky with tons of water.
I'm not sure if anyone else has this particular one. But I've been anxious around water for as long as I can remember.
Man, the symbiote literally physically eating away at someone is an awesome concept, shame that didn't make it in. Not only are you psychologically dependant on it, but eventually you're a raw boney husk of who you used to be and can't even go out into society without the symbiote to cover your deformities.
ending the video with one of my favorite songs? nice touch
One detail of Spider-Man 3 that I'm surprised you didn't mention is that in venom's death scene is that you can see Eddie's skeleton in the explosion for a quick second
Nice mention of Dark Man. That's a personal favorite movie of mine.
Spider man 3 was actually my favorite when I was little although it was really because in my opinion it had the coolest villains (I just really love sandman). Looking back it was definitely not as good in it's entirety but I do really love how it handled Venom. It's nostalgic to me and therefore it always holds a special place in my heart.
OMG YES I've had Spidey on the brain lately and the first film of Raimi's trilogy scared the hell out of me as a kid. Specifically the part where Goblin tricks Spider-Man into that fire or wtv. Can't agree with you on it more lol.
I remember the trilogy so very well, and absolutely loved it, we almost broke our discs from watching it so much-loved , but I do not remember that grenade scene at all, what the heck
4:05 THIS FUCKIN SCENE USED TO SCARE THE BEJEEZUS OUT OF ME TOO WHEN I WAS LITTLE 😭 still gives me a bit of a jump today
I didn't remember or think about much of these scenes, i think as a kid i just turned off my brain and rolled with it
its like cad bane dressing like denal 4:11
just waits for someone to get close and (BAM!)
The doc oc awakening is actually CALLED the “Evil Dead” scene. Groovy!
i remember when i was little some scene in the cartoon used to scare be not a lot. but the movies never scare/disturbed me.
3:14 nowadays thid scene is always looked at as silly but as a kid for some I would see why it’s “scary” especially in a realistic standpoint. A grenade so powerful that just vaporizes people to the bone instantly is pretty horrific idea looking back 😭
Really enjoying this years Traumathon!
I love this Traumathon's theme, man. Those drums
To anyone who hasn't seen it, Darkman is fucking awesome and really scratches that dark-but-not-edgy superhero itch. Also it has Liam Neeson acting so corny, it's great
the craziest thing about the skeleton bomb is that the green goblin clearly doesn't think it'll work on spider man due to him calling spider man "invincible"
Spider-Man 3 is a masterpiece whose only flaw is that they tried to cram too many stories into one film for any of it to make sense or be fully explored and also a lot of parts were bad. But fuck, is it ever fun to watch. Peter Parker literally morphs into an emo kid - he doesn't get a haircut his bangs _just do that_ - and they even use "Vindicated" for the credits. It was beautiful.
I love how with some intros he teases stuff he is going to cover/stuff he has already covered this traumathon
I would kill to see a cut of the movie where we see Eddie's bones as Spidey battles the symbiote for the last time.
Oh yeah, the Green Goblin banshee screams and jumpscare terrified me as a kid. Every time I rewatched that on VCD I lowered the volume lol
Also Venom's jumpscare (when Spidey was thrown in the ruined building while fighting Sandman) in Spider-Man 3 during the final battle
I freaking loved Spiderman 2002, heck even got the damn DVD with a Sony DVD player back then. Boy was I young. I STILL AM YOUNG NOW!
also I hope this video touches on how it's not Sam's fault regarding Venom and such afterwards. fragmented memories, hoping you cover that.
9:56 goose, you've ever heard of apocalypse now redux?
13:33 turner classic movies will create a composite rendering of lost movies with what production stills and audio from the movie they have! they've done that for like the original phantom of the opera, the judy garland version of a star is born, and probably a lot of other movies. so, it wouldn't be bizarre to see just a skeleton of what raimi's vision of spiderman 3 would've been if they took the turner classic movies route
the intro music slaps. its so fucking chilling in a good way
Was literally watching Spider-Man 3 when I got the notification lol
2:17 “starts attacking him like a madman”
and just like that you’ve grossed >500 insanillion crazybucks in the sanist box office
To be honest, Spider-Man from his inception has always had some roots in horror, from the body horror of a teenage boy being irreversibly mutated with strange new abilities, the main artist behind his inception (Steve Ditko) was incredibly gifted when it came to horror artwork, and the fact that he's based on a spider, which was initially why he didn't get picked up for a book, at least until the success of AF#15, which Amazing Fantasy was originally known as Amazing Adult Fantasy which focused on darker stories. Horror was, and still is very close to Spider-Man, no matter how family friendly Marvel/Disney try to paint him as. His villains are all tragic in some way, whether it be mentally, physically or in their backstories, his body has morphed him into a full on were-spider before, and some of the concepts his stories, be they from comics, movies, shows or games, have scared the shit out of the many people who saw them. One of the biggest examples of this is at the end of the PS1 Spider-Man game, with the Carnage symbiote merging with Doc Ock and creating Monster Ock, which chases you down in an exploding base with anguished yells and cries trailing right behind you. I'm happy we at least got a trilogy with a director who understood that with the light of becoming a superhero and saving the day comes the darkness of losing loved ones or struggling with your self-worth. I can't thank Raimi enough for showing both sides of the coin of the wall-crawler we don't see much of nowadays, and I'm hoping we'll get to see some of those more darker themes explored now that the MCU has decided to kick Spidey down so much in NWH.
i forgot I was watching traumathon until I got to the end of the video but its still a great video
Ooh, that grenade scene always scared me as a kid
Well then Was I surprised I didn’t remembered both Green Goblin Disintegrating the civilians to the bone and the Green Goblin Jumpscare when I first saw all of the trilogy since even as a kid I grew up as a Spider-Man fan
Uploaded on my bday, I love spiderman wtf
so weirdly enough spiderman 3 was the first spiderman movie I saw. I don't remember how that happened, but it did. and I LOVED it. Still do now, despite all of its flaws. Similar to the doc oct awakening scene, the scene where eddie gets grabbed by venom in the church ALSO uses wires to suspend him... but this time they were in his mouth. So if he looks like he's in pain during that scene, thats cause he is. the man has goddamn WIRES in his MOUTH.