@@TheLinuxCast lmao I recently starting using DVR, like a few videos ago, didn’t really learn from any tutorial in particular, I kind of started out just poking around the interface and getting an idea of which buttons to use for what, but a few videos in I saw a tutorial on making 3D objects in Davinci Resolve and started working in the Fusion page which was initially a bit intimidating but now where I spend probably 50% of my time when editing a PenguinByte video :)
18:50 debian count is inflated because they split packages. for example, a package in arch includes the binary, the documentation and the source if necessary. while in Debian those would be 3 separate packages
discluding source packages in Debian, it has 171,937 packages which is still more than Arch repos + AUR as for documentation being a separate package, i do not see any additional packages relating to documentation when installing packages on Debian or Debian-based systems
@PenguinByte fp-docs is an example of a documentation package. It has documentation for "free pascal", separate from the package "fpc" which has the compilers for free pascal. in Arch the package "fpc" already includes the documentation
@@proverbs11vs30 thank you! Appreciate it lol, also glad you liked the vid! It’s the one I’ve put the most effort into out of all of my vids to date lol
You *can* actually run .deb packages on arch... technically. There are various tools that repackage .deb packages and allow for their contents to be installed on Arch. It's incredibly rare that you'll need something like that since usually your package manager can fetch the application you want from elsewhere.
@@VoodooGMusic yes of course if you convert it into smth Arch understands and can install, but a raw deb file as it is can’t be executed on it’s own on Arch
Weirdly I have found Arch much more stable than both Debian and Fedora and I update my system almost daily. Older packages does not always mean more reliable ones. I think Arch's rep of being unstable is long outdated or comes from bad derivative distros like Manjaro.
@@skorne7682 interesting, my experience was stable but definitely far less stable than Debian or Fedora, the latter which I used for a year and had no issues with that I can recall
from 11:14 to whenever you stopped measuring package manager installation speed, its important to note that debian has less packages preinstalled than arch so it has to install more dependencies, making it slower, it would be better to test installing just gimp or neofetch or whatever.
Thanks for the subscription and glad you like the video! I did try to go as in depth as possible lol, that + the editing together took me a little over 2 months to complete
I like them both. However, when I use arch I use a more advanced installation of arch with LUKS + LVM to do snapshots. The editing is awesome, I can see why it took a long time to render. 🙂
Fair, sounds like a good setup lol Also thanks! Yeah I put a lot of effort into this video and filled it with effects, it took a whole 10 hours to render lol
Debian has a rolling release version which is sid and a more unstable version is experimental. As the name says its unstable but i just running it fine. It is not as bleeding edge as arch but if you are on the stability side while wanting latest software its a good choice.
@@mzakyr342 There is also Sid yes, however from what I’ve seen of other’s experiences, the stability is questionable at best. If it works without issues tho, that’s great!
@@mbarrio I did get that wrong, wanted to demonstrate additional lowercase flags and I don’t remember where I saw it but sudo pacman -Qu ended up in the script which does not do anything on Arch, also to be clear I wanted to list installed packages, not just all packages in the repos, and so I thought -Q was like list in apt and -Qu was like list --installed but that is indeed a mistake on my part, also thanks but in what way did you find the video biased?
Great simple explanation. The editing is on another level keep it up you have one more subscriber. I am very surprised some people saying Arch is more stable in their own pininon. i use Debian as a daily driver since 1998 but maybe i could try Arch again on a spare computer. I workstation needs to be always up and running no time to waist. So the constant updates not properly tested gives me bad vibes.
@@Earl.Norris Thank you! I appreciate it :) lol same, although Arch is certainly not that horrible for stability but definitely far away from Debian in my experience Wow 1998, long time Debian user I see! Yeah if anything you should give it a shot on a spare laptop but def not an important workstation lol
@PenguinByte yes I did use Redhat before Debian. I also ran Suse for some time as well. On my main computer, I do not use wireless anything, one less problem. I run a dummy computer for major updates and tests before I run on my main computer. I do not run any universal package management systems like flack or snap. If I need another program that is not on Debian, I will complie it myself and test on the other computer first. My config and dot files are in a personal git server. If something happens to my main computer, I should be up and running in just over 1 hour. That is way too long. Security updates are important. I always read them before an update. These updates can be no longer than 5 min in the background. Arch updates are huge and take time. For me, new features are not important. I have everything I need with the tools I use every day. Some of these tools could be six years old but they still maintained and still serve a purpose for me.
I beg to differ in the experience between Kde in Debian and Arch. 6.0+ has way less crashing, better UI experience. WAY smoother, and better layout of almost everything, any version in 5 is buggy, crashes at every turn, and clunky. Other than that I agree.
@PenguinByte have you tried it since initial release? I remember you trying it when it 1st came out.. At least I'm pretty sure it was your video. A lot has been smoothed out since then.
@ I tried 6.0 “stable” when it released, I will give it another chance in an upcoming 30 day challenge which I’ve been planning for a bit now and see how that goes, this time I’m gonna use Fedora KDE instead of Neon tho
@paultapping9510 Yes, when it comes to apps atleast, although if you want both the apps and system to be the newest possible, then Arch would of course be a better choice
Hey bro, i am facing an error "[ 0. 803445] hub 8-0: 1.0: config failed, have doesn't have any ports! (err -19)" my kernel does't load when trying to install arch linux and tails os. i always face this issue after selecting arch linux. I am dying for this error but linux mint and pop os works fine help me bro😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
I have to admit that my croteria seem to be more strict on the stability category. When a package conflict with standard repositories occurs i call the installation broken, as most users have to reinstall. And random crashes more than once or twice a year are too much for me. Exceptions are of course programs or services that i use that cause the issue... NixOS is what i currently use and so far delivered. Also bazzite does a good job on my gaming PC. Arch was unstable, crashing every 3 months and leaving a broken system for me to repair twice a year. OpenSuse tumbleweed was breaking less often but overall only slightly better than arch. Fedora is solid, no crashes and years before braking the system
Yeah Fedora is solid for sure. Also thanks for sharing! Yeah lol Stability was on the broader side since from my experience both were decent but ofc i only used Arch for a month
But the cool thing about Fedora is that it's like a mix between the two. Also, how do you get the videos to be played with a 3d effect like that? where its just like a screen and a camera filming the screen
Yeah I would honestly say Fedora is better than both, I used it for over a year and it’s awesome lol Ah I make the 3D effects using Davinci Resolve’s Fusion VFX abilities lol
@PenguinByte oh Davinci Resolve, i don't use it because of the fact that it probably wont support my intel graphics and its only supported on a specific distros even though i use fedora and pretty sure its available, but its also not that FOSS on linux. So i use kdenlive!
@ I would use Kdenlive if I could but unfortunately for the effects I make and use it is practically unusable, for example I can’t make anything 3D in Kdenlive, I’d instead have to use another separate VFX program like Natron which is extremely inconvenient, also the transitions suck and Kdenlive lacks alot of effects and transitions in comparison, but I use Kdenlive for basic vids not related to PenguinByte and for those it is awesome lol, I wish that DVR worked well on Linux or that there was a good alternative on Linux but unfortunately there isn’t at the moment, so I have to use a MacBook Pro for editing (and only editing, I do everything else on Linux, I would dump the MBP in a heartbeat if free DVR on Linux got h264, h265, and AAC support)
@PenguinByte for me, someone who posts linux setup showcases and rarely edits, just a couple of zooms and titles, its perfect for me, but it has its flaws, like its a qt app and doesnt work well with gnome wayland, so i switch to plasma everytime i have to use it, also because of your fedora vs ubuntu video, i learned about the rpm multimedia codecs, and i can finally use ffmpeg instead of openH256 as my encoder, and it's much better! i also learned about dnfdragora from you
lol i cut it multiple vids back and it grew back, unless you mean why it looked bigger in some clips and smaller in others or of diff styles, i recorded the clips over the course of 2 months so sometimes my hair would be puffed up, other times a diff style, etc lol Also thx! Glad you liked the editing lol, I put alot of effort into it :)
You’re not entirely wrong, Debian and Arch do have completely different use cases lol, I made this comparison cause I thought it would be a fun and interesting one partly because of how different the distros are, but of course someone who’s often looking for what Arch provides (high performance, light, bloat free, DIY distro) often won’t be interested in what Debiah provides and vice versa, both are great
I use arch as my daily drive distro bcz it has AUR and it's really ez to use. I know I know, Debian and Ubuntu has PACSTALL and Mist but they don't have enough packages yet.
both amazing, though arch is more of a hobby distro imo. so for work machines, i personally would much rather spend time doing work than troubleshoot if something goes wrong after an i update. on the other hand, arch is much more fun to play with and configure on a personal machine. especially when you want to toy with newer versions of software that debian repos don't have yet.
8:49, There is a major issue with your ram/cpu startup efficiency segment of your video. You need to not only specify which DE your were working with on both when comparing, as both will perform vastly different depending on which desktop you are using, but also understand that using two different versions of the same DE is going to yield skewed results. You should also probably have used two different desktop environments(i.e. Gnome and KDE) with similar configurations to have a more thorough view on how each performs on startup. Another issue in your performance segment, you can't really compare package manager speeds in the format you did, as your mirrors are going to have a major impact on download/install speeds, and is not necessarily reflective of the speed of the package manager itself. In other words, when doing a head to head comparison like this, you should mindful to control for variable a little better. Otherwise, pretty good video.
@@PPKNexus I already specified that I used GNOME, perhaps you missed it, I wanted to use 1 DE to have a more fair comparison as diff DEs will yield diff efficiency and stability results, and could skew the tests even more due to the DE specifically taking more or less storage than the other DE, it’s much easier to measure 2 distros with the same DE and them being diff versions is part of it, the 2 distros have diff release cycles so that is what it is, it’ll also be the experience people will encounter, or atleast similar to it, and also I specified in the video that the tests were being performed in VMs and would yield worse results than on real hardware. Regarding the package managers, you are right but I unfortunately have no other way of comparing the 2 in speeds.
Ofc English but also I used to speak German and Russian, although I haven’t practiced them so with time I forgot my German and Russian, as for the dictionaries I haven’t read them yet but may in the future lol
hey, i've used mint for a month & loved it, but when i used it for multi tasking like copying files at the same time browsing, it got stuck multiple times can you tell me what's the problem. it's a desktop with i3 10th gen with 8gb ddr4
@ ok… hmm I’m honestly not too sure what the issue could be, try installing a different file manager like Nautilus or Dolphin and see if they have the same problem
I have used Linux Mint (Debian based) for very long time. Recently LM has become unstable and shows update based problems. Now I have switched to Endevour Linux (Arch bsed) and I am very comfortable with it. Except annoying 'every day' updates!
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experience! LM becoming unstable ain’t something I’ve heard before lol, that’s unfortunate, hope EndeavourOS continues to go well for ya!
GNOME is selected by default in the installer, you would have to uncheck it to get a system without a GUI in Debian, but yes it is technically not installed yet until the installer installs it, like with most distros
@@jackelofnar you’d need to convert the deb back into a regular tarball iirc because deb files are designed to work with apt and Debian’s underlying system which functions and handles packages differently from Arch’s
Wow, this was excellent - a very thorough comparison of these two popular distros. I had reckoned from the start that Debian would win out, but if I had to make a choice between which one to install, I would probably still install Arch. Of course, I'm running the best OS there is - Fedora. Thanks for posting this!!
@ it doesn’t hurt my eyes in the dark 🤷♂️ Saying I’m a bad person for using light mode on Discord is a bit of a stretch I would think, although I assume that it was a joke lol If you prefer dark mode then that’s great, I personally don’t
You forgot the BTW category. Can you say I use Debian BTW? No because ewww gross. Can you say i use Arch btw? Yes, and it makes you an instant chad. Everyone will be bowing at your feet at the very thought that you using arch... I use Arch btw.
I uhhm... get different numbers perhaps you included source packages as well? (I also have non-free contrib non-free-firmaware enabled) ➜ ~ apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l 64627 ➜ ~ pacman -Ssq | wc -l 14962 (Yes I missed the AUR which sits at around 50k packages but even then... some are slightly different versions of the packages in the main repo)
This was excellent. Can I ask what you use to edit your videos?
Yo Linux Cast, thank you! I use Davinci Resolve 19 for editing :)
@ where did you learn? I need to up my game
@@TheLinuxCast lmao I recently starting using DVR, like a few videos ago, didn’t really learn from any tutorial in particular, I kind of started out just poking around the interface and getting an idea of which buttons to use for what, but a few videos in I saw a tutorial on making 3D objects in Davinci Resolve and started working in the Fusion page which was initially a bit intimidating but now where I spend probably 50% of my time when editing a PenguinByte video :)
This fella is super natural 😉
Top-notch editing! Awesome explanation as well! The best video you have ever made.
@@chrislinuxtutorials5283 thanks! I appreciate it :)
8:23: bro wants to remove his entire filesystem
lol inside joke, gotta remove the French language pack!
18:50 debian count is inflated because they split packages. for example, a package in arch includes the binary, the documentation and the source if necessary. while in Debian those would be 3 separate packages
discluding source packages in Debian, it has 171,937 packages which is still more than Arch repos + AUR
as for documentation being a separate package, i do not see any additional packages relating to documentation when installing packages on Debian or Debian-based systems
@PenguinByte fp-docs is an example of a documentation package. It has documentation for "free pascal", separate from the package "fpc" which has the compilers for free pascal.
in Arch the package "fpc" already includes the documentation
@ I suppose it’s for some packages and not others as Neofetch does not seem to come with a separate docs package, although even then good to know
You remind me of a young MKBHD, keep up the good work
Thanks!
Quite insane graphics for such a small channel, love it
Thanks!
Wow, this is fantastically well produced and very informative, thank you, i always look forward to your videos ☺️
@@proverbs11vs30 thank you! Appreciate it lol, also glad you liked the vid! It’s the one I’ve put the most effort into out of all of my vids to date lol
You *can* actually run .deb packages on arch... technically.
There are various tools that repackage .deb packages and allow for their contents to be installed on Arch. It's incredibly rare that you'll need something like that since usually your package manager can fetch the application you want from elsewhere.
@@VoodooGMusic yes of course if you convert it into smth Arch understands and can install, but a raw deb file as it is can’t be executed on it’s own on Arch
Weirdly I have found Arch much more stable than both Debian and Fedora and I update my system almost daily. Older packages does not always mean more reliable ones. I think Arch's rep of being unstable is long outdated or comes from bad derivative distros like Manjaro.
Same.
@@skorne7682 interesting, my experience was stable but definitely far less stable than Debian or Fedora, the latter which I used for a year and had no issues with that I can recall
There’s a reason why even longtime Arch users STILL recommend Debian for stability. Anecdotes are just that :)
Cry More... 😂😂
Really impressed by your level of quality, definitely subscribing for more!
Thank you! Also I appreciate the sub :)
from 11:14 to whenever you stopped measuring package manager installation speed, its important to note that debian has less packages preinstalled than arch so it has to install more dependencies, making it slower, it would be better to test installing just gimp or neofetch or whatever.
Subscribed. It is nice to see someone so young show such an in-depth understanding of any subject.
Also, I've been using Linux since before you could read. Why do I get the feeling you know more about Linux than I do?
Thanks for the subscription and glad you like the video! I did try to go as in depth as possible lol, that + the editing together took me a little over 2 months to complete
I like them both. However, when I use arch I use a more advanced installation of arch with LUKS + LVM to do snapshots. The editing is awesome, I can see why it took a long time to render. 🙂
Fair, sounds like a good setup lol
Also thanks! Yeah I put a lot of effort into this video and filled it with effects, it took a whole 10 hours to render lol
Excelente edicion y comparativa! Tu canal tiene un enorme potencial 💪💪
Thank you :)
9:13 if your distro uses more than 1% CPU while idle, even with programs open, it is wildly misconfigured.
tbf it is in a virtual machine so maybe that has smth to do with it
Debian has a rolling release version which is sid and a more unstable version is experimental. As the name says its unstable but i just running it fine. It is not as bleeding edge as arch but if you are on the stability side while wanting latest software its a good choice.
@@mzakyr342 There is also Sid yes, however from what I’ve seen of other’s experiences, the stability is questionable at best. If it works without issues tho, that’s great!
sick video man
@@sixparHD thanks!
Child, you have good aesthetics and editing skills.
Sound design needs a bit more work, sometimes less is more.
2:25 "sudo pacman -Qu" is wrong, `pacman -Q` to list packages
Good video, although biased. Good luck with the channel!
@@mbarrio I did get that wrong, wanted to demonstrate additional lowercase flags and I don’t remember where I saw it but sudo pacman -Qu ended up in the script which does not do anything on Arch, also to be clear I wanted to list installed packages, not just all packages in the repos, and so I thought -Q was like list in apt and -Qu was like list --installed but that is indeed a mistake on my part, also thanks but in what way did you find the video biased?
Great simple explanation. The editing is on another level keep it up you have one more subscriber.
I am very surprised some people saying Arch is more stable in their own pininon.
i use Debian as a daily driver since 1998 but maybe i could try Arch again on a spare computer. I workstation needs to be always up and running no time to waist. So the constant updates not properly tested gives me bad vibes.
@@Earl.Norris Thank you! I appreciate it :)
lol same, although Arch is certainly not that horrible for stability but definitely far away from Debian in my experience
Wow 1998, long time Debian user I see! Yeah if anything you should give it a shot on a spare laptop but def not an important workstation lol
@PenguinByte yes I did use Redhat before Debian. I also ran Suse for some time as well. On my main computer, I do not use wireless anything, one less problem. I run a dummy computer for major updates and tests before I run on my main computer. I do not run any universal package management systems like flack or snap. If I need another program that is not on Debian, I will complie it myself and test on the other computer first. My config and dot files are in a personal git server. If something happens to my main computer, I should be up and running in just over 1 hour. That is way too long. Security updates are important. I always read them before an update. These updates can be no longer than 5 min in the background. Arch updates are huge and take time. For me, new features are not important. I have everything I need with the tools I use every day. Some of these tools could be six years old but they still maintained and still serve a purpose for me.
@ wow
fair enough, not everyone needs the shiny new updates
I beg to differ in the experience between Kde in Debian and Arch. 6.0+ has way less crashing, better UI experience. WAY smoother, and better layout of almost everything, any version in 5 is buggy, crashes at every turn, and clunky. Other than that I agree.
unfortunately my experience with Plasma 6.0 was... not optimal to say the least 💀
@PenguinByte have you tried it since initial release? I remember you trying it when it 1st came out.. At least I'm pretty sure it was your video. A lot has been smoothed out since then.
@ I tried 6.0 “stable” when it released, I will give it another chance in an upcoming 30 day challenge which I’ve been planning for a bit now and see how that goes, this time I’m gonna use Fedora KDE instead of Neon tho
@PenguinByte could ultimately be up to hardware differences as well. But it's most certainly better now.
Arch. Using debian is a chore. The packages ate so old, i have to build from source A LOT
that's the problem that flatpak is basically designed to solve, isn't it? Though, that is the reason I jumped ship to Arch
If you want newer packages, then yeah Arch is of course the better option
@paultapping9510 Yes, when it comes to apps atleast, although if you want both the apps and system to be the newest possible, then Arch would of course be a better choice
I use Debian Trixie.
@@psybertao the alpha?
Hey bro,
i am facing an error
"[ 0. 803445] hub 8-0: 1.0: config failed, have doesn't have any ports! (err -19)" my kernel does't load when trying to install arch linux and tails os. i always face this issue after selecting arch linux. I am dying for this error but linux mint and pop os works fine
help me bro😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@@WebApp-Aseer I will try my best. Firstly is this via manual installation or archinstall?
I have to admit that my croteria seem to be more strict on the stability category. When a package conflict with standard repositories occurs i call the installation broken, as most users have to reinstall. And random crashes more than once or twice a year are too much for me. Exceptions are of course programs or services that i use that cause the issue...
NixOS is what i currently use and so far delivered. Also bazzite does a good job on my gaming PC. Arch was unstable, crashing every 3 months and leaving a broken system for me to repair twice a year.
OpenSuse tumbleweed was breaking less often but overall only slightly better than arch. Fedora is solid, no crashes and years before braking the system
Yeah Fedora is solid for sure. Also thanks for sharing! Yeah lol Stability was on the broader side since from my experience both were decent but ofc i only used Arch for a month
Man love the production. But you made me feel bad about installing Arch
@@heihar2007 Thanks! lol even though Arch didn’t win the comparison, if you are atleast intermediate, it’s a great distro!
Ima say debian will win 0:32
Never tried out debian,but started out with arch and stayed there because it super fast and customizable on my pc and helps me learn linux deeper.
Glad to hear Arch is going well!
But the cool thing about Fedora is that it's like a mix between the two. Also, how do you get the videos to be played with a 3d effect like that? where its just like a screen and a camera filming the screen
Yeah I would honestly say Fedora is better than both, I used it for over a year and it’s awesome lol
Ah I make the 3D effects using Davinci Resolve’s Fusion VFX abilities lol
@PenguinByte oh Davinci Resolve, i don't use it because of the fact that it probably wont support my intel graphics and its only supported on a specific distros even though i use fedora and pretty sure its available, but its also not that FOSS on linux. So i use kdenlive!
@ I would use Kdenlive if I could but unfortunately for the effects I make and use it is practically unusable, for example I can’t make anything 3D in Kdenlive, I’d instead have to use another separate VFX program like Natron which is extremely inconvenient, also the transitions suck and Kdenlive lacks alot of effects and transitions in comparison, but I use Kdenlive for basic vids not related to PenguinByte and for those it is awesome lol, I wish that DVR worked well on Linux or that there was a good alternative on Linux but unfortunately there isn’t at the moment, so I have to use a MacBook Pro for editing (and only editing, I do everything else on Linux, I would dump the MBP in a heartbeat if free DVR on Linux got h264, h265, and AAC support)
@PenguinByte for me, someone who posts linux setup showcases and rarely edits, just a couple of zooms and titles, its perfect for me, but it has its flaws, like its a qt app and doesnt work well with gnome wayland, so i switch to plasma everytime i have to use it, also because of your fedora vs ubuntu video, i learned about the rpm multimedia codecs, and i can finally use ffmpeg instead of openH256 as my encoder, and it's much better! i also learned about dnfdragora from you
Wow, what happened to your hair sir? 13:49 Debian BTW! Video editing rocksss
lol i cut it multiple vids back and it grew back, unless you mean why it looked bigger in some clips and smaller in others or of diff styles, i recorded the clips over the course of 2 months so sometimes my hair would be puffed up, other times a diff style, etc lol
Also thx! Glad you liked the editing lol, I put alot of effort into it :)
Comparing apples to oranges out there
You’re not entirely wrong, Debian and Arch do have completely different use cases lol, I made this comparison cause I thought it would be a fun and interesting one partly because of how different the distros are, but of course someone who’s often looking for what Arch provides (high performance, light, bloat free, DIY distro) often won’t be interested in what Debiah provides and vice versa, both are great
Holy editing. What software do you use?
@@KuleGuy27 Thank you so much lol, I use Davinci Resolve 19 :)
I use arch as my daily drive distro bcz it has AUR and it's really ez to use.
I know I know, Debian and Ubuntu has PACSTALL and Mist but they don't have enough packages yet.
Are you interested in Unix operating systems such as GhostBSD and OpenBSD?
@@MaximilianEphesus not at the moment, I am all into Linux, but I may review FreeBSD in the future if the people what to see that :)
both amazing, though arch is more of a hobby distro imo. so for work machines, i personally would much rather spend time doing work than troubleshoot if something goes wrong after an i update.
on the other hand, arch is much more fun to play with and configure on a personal machine. especially when you want to toy with newer versions of software that debian repos don't have yet.
Yeah I 100% agree with this
Arch. EndeavorOS is pure love. I also had Linux Mint Debian Edition and loved that too. Just love Endeavor more. I love rolling updates.
@@FrankZen I also value newer software over extreme stability lol, I like my updates!
0:58 Wrong, debian is based on softlanding
@@probablyyourneighbororsome8412 Debian and Slackware were created as alternatives to SLS due to its bugginess, however neither were based on SLS.
8:49, There is a major issue with your ram/cpu startup efficiency segment of your video. You need to not only specify which DE your were working with on both when comparing, as both will perform vastly different depending on which desktop you are using, but also understand that using two different versions of the same DE is going to yield skewed results. You should also probably have used two different desktop environments(i.e. Gnome and KDE) with similar configurations to have a more thorough view on how each performs on startup. Another issue in your performance segment, you can't really compare package manager speeds in the format you did, as your mirrors are going to have a major impact on download/install speeds, and is not necessarily reflective of the speed of the package manager itself. In other words, when doing a head to head comparison like this, you should mindful to control for variable a little better. Otherwise, pretty good video.
@@PPKNexus I already specified that I used GNOME, perhaps you missed it, I wanted to use 1 DE to have a more fair comparison as diff DEs will yield diff efficiency and stability results, and could skew the tests even more due to the DE specifically taking more or less storage than the other DE, it’s much easier to measure 2 distros with the same DE and them being diff versions is part of it, the 2 distros have diff release cycles so that is what it is, it’ll also be the experience people will encounter, or atleast similar to it, and also I specified in the video that the tests were being performed in VMs and would yield worse results than on real hardware. Regarding the package managers, you are right but I unfortunately have no other way of comparing the 2 in speeds.
8m 34s when it works lol..
another banger frfr
Lmao thank you
Fedora 41
The king of all distros 👑
Hey Kid, how many languages do you speak? I see you have many dictionaries.
Ofc English but also I used to speak German and Russian, although I haven’t practiced them so with time I forgot my German and Russian, as for the dictionaries I haven’t read them yet but may in the future lol
High quality video.
Thanks!
hey, i've used mint for a month & loved it,
but when i used it for multi tasking like copying files at the same time browsing, it got stuck multiple times
can you tell me what's the problem. it's a desktop with i3 10th gen with 8gb ddr4
How much storage ro you have? And is it an SSD? As far as Mint goes unfortunately I have never used it on real hardware but I’ll still try to help
@PenguinByte nvme 128gb
@ ok… hmm I’m honestly not too sure what the issue could be, try installing a different file manager like Nautilus or Dolphin and see if they have the same problem
Aside from the weird AI character, it's a really informative content with apparently lot of effort.
@anasouardini thanks but please elaborate on what you mean by “weird AI character”. I can assure you I am a human lmao
I use arch btw
I have used Linux Mint (Debian based) for very long time. Recently LM has become unstable and shows update based problems.
Now I have switched to Endevour Linux (Arch bsed) and I am very comfortable with it. Except annoying 'every day' updates!
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experience! LM becoming unstable ain’t something I’ve heard before lol, that’s unfortunate, hope EndeavourOS continues to go well for ya!
where's the gentoo vid fella?
@@AndrezeiraUNO lol that will be way in the future
Debian doesnt have a desktop by default the only difference is Debian selects the desktop packages by default and archinstall doesnt
GNOME is selected by default in the installer, you would have to uncheck it to get a system without a GUI in Debian, but yes it is technically not installed yet until the installer installs it, like with most distros
Nice
Thanks!
interesting
Arch can use .deb packages technically
@@jackelofnar you’d need to convert the deb back into a regular tarball iirc because deb files are designed to work with apt and Debian’s underlying system which functions and handles packages differently from Arch’s
@PenguinByte dpkg and apt are both in the Arch repos
@dumbfloppa yes but they are for developing packages for Debian on an Arch-based system rather than for using as a regular package manager
Debian11= version 2, debian 12= version 3 but arch= 50
Find weird that I got a heart but I also got deleted.
@5I6 I did not delete your previous comment, maybe YT did something?
I don't care anyway, but please try to put more effort into your research, no offensive@PenguinByte
Finaly🎉
Great video! Except Arch lost...
@@lexerotk thx! Lmao Debian ftw this time around
Wow, this was excellent - a very thorough comparison of these two popular distros. I had reckoned from the start that Debian would win out, but if I had to make a choice between which one to install, I would probably still install Arch. Of course, I'm running the best OS there is - Fedora. Thanks for posting this!!
Glad you liked it! Lol based fellow Fedora enjoyer
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@@gregortv7308 thanks!
8:58 gibabites mibabites 💀
@@gregortv7308 yes it was measured in GiB and MiB instead of GB and MB
*gibibytes *mebibytes
wow, wasn't expecting Debian to be more efficient than Arch
Arch Is Unstable... 😂
nah bro, Debian has live installation
@@brouw7272 not in the default iso, you need to download a separate iso for that therefore it does not count
you are a bad person for using light mode on discord
@@Victor-St3r I despise dark mode
So? Unless your room is light it will hurt your eyes and I am a dark mode fan so I like everything dark mode but you do you.
@ it doesn’t hurt my eyes in the dark 🤷♂️
Saying I’m a bad person for using light mode on Discord is a bit of a stretch I would think, although I assume that it was a joke lol
If you prefer dark mode then that’s great, I personally don’t
You forgot the BTW category. Can you say I use Debian BTW? No because ewww gross. Can you say i use Arch btw? Yes, and it makes you an instant chad. Everyone will be bowing at your feet at the very thought that you using arch... I use Arch btw.
LMAO
Do NOT waste your time with arch!
I used it for 30 days, it was honestly pretty nice give or take some issues with it
faz agora Ubuntu X Manjaro 🤝
I like windows and macos :))))))))
i'm calling it
Debian will win
@@smartninja3651 lmfao
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sorry
I uhhm... get different numbers perhaps you included source packages as well? (I also have non-free contrib non-free-firmaware enabled)
➜ ~ apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l
64627
➜ ~ pacman -Ssq | wc -l
14962
(Yes I missed the AUR which sits at around 50k packages but even then... some are slightly different versions of the packages in the main repo)
Yes, I included source packages