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Why Pete Townshend HATES Led Zeppelin
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2023
- While The Who and Led Zeppelin never had an explicit rivalry, people tend to compare these two bands as the dominant forces of the 60s and 70s rock music scene. The bolshy Roger Daltrey with his generation-defining group and guitar legend Jimmy Page with his. In this video we explore why Pete Townshend of The Who hates Led Zeppelin...
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Blur won the battle of the bands, i never liked Oasis or the spin off bands
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@@whufciironworkes Well, firstly I'm jealous, and secondly, if the decider is the last band still standing, then they certainly won the Britpop wars!
blur won when it came to making interesting music. oasis was just a mirage; all they EVER did was rip off the beatles and people actually fell for it. toward the end they were just name dropping beatle song titles.
I can listen to Zeppelin any time. I have to be in a certain mood to listen to The Who. I admire them both equally for their musicianship and songwriting. Pete’s a big boy… he can like or dislike whatever he wants.
Both bands have stuff that's great and some that sucks, especially the early stuff.
I hear you
You have 5:28 of some guy you don’t know telling you Pete doesn’t like Zeppelin. If he did say anything like that he was still a little young and rebellious. How does he feel now? You don’t know. It’s nonsense click bait. I fell for it in terms of being interested in how it was reasoned. Pete isn’t even in the piece. Don’t let that kind of thing educate you. Love and peace
@@IanMaclachlan-cw6cz I appreciate your comment and thoughts. I’ve heard the interview where he says “I’ve never liked a single thing that they’ve done” he was talking about Led Zeppelin. He also says that as people they are all “really great guys”.
I’m the opposite. I can listen to The Who anytime and have to be in a certain mood for Led Zeppelin.
Townshend is clearly joking around - even grinning a little. It was a back handed compliment.
Ok
He's not joking
Pete has always been a bitter old man, even when he was young
@@Trenchant463 I read one of my old Led Zeppelin books from the 1980s when I used to really be into them what Pete said about them as far back as 1970 and he wasn’t really crazy about their music. So what he said is pretty consistent.
You can’t compare The Who and Led Zeppelin. They are two COMPLETELY different kinds of bands. BOTH are brilliant and absolute legends.
Are they tho..? COMPLETELY different...? Really...? Come on now. They appeal to the same demographic because they're the same. Bet that triggered you lol
@@natmanprime4295 well…yes. Fair enough, BUT Zeppelin was a RIFF band for the most part right? Totally blues based
The Who was more Proto punk in the beginning (smashing their instruments) and then more power pop as the 7O’s wore on. I did indeed have poster from BOTH bands! 🙂👍
@@danielevans9379 these distinctions and categorizations...lol do you realise how hilarious you are. every band has its own distinct sound. are you going to give them all their own category? do you realise how academic and un-artistic you're being?? its rock. leave it at that
You could compare Daultry and Plant, Entwistle and Jones s well as Moon and Bonham. But Page was leaps and bounds ahead of Townsend in guitar and production.
Yeah. The Who didn’t plagerize.
Actually, Daltrey was a lot more complimentary of Zeppelin. Pete just had a problem with ax men who had better chops than he did. Hendrix drove him nuts, and Zeppelin's success did likewise. It's too bad, because he was a phenomenal musician, and didn't need to crap on Zeppelin to raise himself up. He was already up.
Hendrix never drove Pete nuts, simply because he felt that Jimi was much better than he could ever be, so he never truly felt threatened by him.
@@vinceventresca6763 I've heard a few clips from Pete that suggest otherwise. Or at least that he was pissed off that Hendrix was so much better than he was. Page was also seriously impressed with the guy, but he wasn't resentful.
Townsend I think in that documentary this is taken from said his bit about hendrix it wasn't flattering
@@Duck_DodgersTownshend didn't say anything about Hendrix in the Hendrix documentary. As a matter of fact, he said they were close until he left England.
Chops in what way? Pete has some great chops
This is like arguing which is better, vanilla or chocolate. Whatever floats your boat. Zeppelin floats my boat!!!
Mine too
I love The ‘ Orrible ‘OO! but we’re lucky to have both.
both great Rock bands. just finished off some Breyers Choc/Vanilla.
Years ago I was friends with a guy who summed it up perfectly:
There are two camps. The Zeppelin fanatic and the Who fanatic.
Most liked both, but each would be more one sided, same for Beatles and Stones.
He was big on The Who, knowing every song, while I loved the Who, I still can’t say I know even every album, though I now do own all but may the first 2, but own multiple copies of every Zeppelin album know every song, the sequence on each album, years, as well as every release by the members.
I own me Townsend solo album and I might hate it, perhaps even the good songs. Lol.
Townsend is a jealous person who rarely speaks well about anyone, though I do know he praised Jimi, and even praises Page’s skills.
I think Pete’s a great (musicians) musician, but I think he’s more likely a total dick, as well as a gay pedo. Somehow that factor has swept conveniently from the minds of people, and I’d think someone with that blemish would try to not be voicing their negative views about their contemporaries for fear of someone dredging that shit back to the foreground. Especially in todays cancel culture that wants to make yesterdays norms todays concerns.
Chocolate ~ The Who live at anywhere. Grand funk Mr Grant?
While I like both bands I'm in the Who camp.
yes, me as well. by his reasoning that the more popular band is the better band then i suppose McDonald's makes the best burgers since they have sold more than any one else.
Me too
Me too...I just don't like cliches
Totally with you
Same! 😊🎸
I liked the who but loved Led Zeppelin. I think their catalog of music is superior and holds up better after all the years
Led Zeppelin is dated trash, a dry heave disaster.
Hate to say it but Peter Townsend was a miserable young man and a miserable old man because he suppressed his homosexual tendencies. He said that in a interview in time magazine or Newsweek it was a long time ago. I believe he wrote rough boys about it.
Big part of their catalog were stolen songs.
I would put the Who's live performances up against any band. Live At Leeds, nuff said.
@@trajan6927 Agnostic Front Live at CBGB's is better.
When Page was looking to form "The New Yardbirds" he initially wanted Keith Moon and John Entwistle to join him. Moonie reacted by saying "That would go over like a lead balloon" John Entwistle, to emphasize the point further said: "More like a Lead Zeppelin"
Not true all. Jeff Beck formed the line up to rekord Bolero and there were he, Page, Ox and Moon. Moon called it The Lead Balloon or Zeppelin.
That discussion happened much earlier , in May 1966 around the time of "Beck's Bolero", not when Page was starting The New Yardbirds/Led Zeppelin in 1968. It came out of a general discussion about a possible future 'supergroup' formed from those involved at the time. The discussion had nothing to do with Zeppelin, Page just utilised the memory of the name from 1966 when he was partly forced into a new name for the "New Yardbirds" because an ex-Yardbird Chris Dreja held the legal right to the Yardbirds name and obtained a 'cease and desist' order for the Yardbirds name in late 1968, after Page's new band (with Plant, Bonham and Jones) had already started performing..
See? The Who even gave them their NAME. lol
@@TTM9691 Indirectly, yes. So what?
@@philweight3480 - so he made a joke about it.
I'm a Who fan, but also listened to Zep over the years. Being a kinda misfit nerd kid in the early 80's, the Who spoke to the way I felt. They weren't sexualized like Zeppelin. There were no "You and me baby" kinda songs. They were more anger and dissatisfaction. I never understood why Zeppelin was always aligned with Heavy Metal. It was the Who that carried the anger and aggression that would become Heavy Metal.
Exactly!
Amen…I would also add Punk to that too. Who music just aged better
Dude man bro what a well said POV. To my clique, they were equally renowned… I mean like Tommy and Quadraphenia, The Who were really incredibly accomplished.
I was an angry kid, thus I related to The Who
Rebellion and rage, at high decibels: that’s The Who. Zeppelin was a stoner band.
I don't think he was jealous and I don't think Keith Richards was jealous. I think they just didn't like their music
Well said, Pete is entitled to his opinion and if LZ’s music wasn’t his cup of tea, well that’s his choice. I work with violins, but can’t stand to listen Irish fiddle. People are aghast when I tell them that. Just because I work with the instrument doesn’t mean I have to like all the ways people play it.
Exactly. It's very hard for Zep fans - who are some of the dopiest fans in all of rockdom - to accept that. I'm not talking REAL Zep fans, first generation fans. I'm talking the second generation fans on down. They're the most clueless imbeciles for the most part, with a very uncomplicated, low-information relationship with their favorite band. Half the time these idiots don't even the albums the songs are from, they just know them from dopey "classic rock" radio.
He’s lying though. Not one person I’ve ever met genuinely disliked Zeppelin’s music.
Both are amazing bands
I agree. I love both.
Yep!
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Yeah they are. Two completely different bands but I think equally as talented. Just depends upon your tastes. I have room in my collection for every album by both bands. I never had to choose between the two. 😎😎
Disagree, The Who were never even close to what Zeppelin was.
With Townsend, Lyrics and melody are most important. With Zeppelin both of those are afterthoughts, especially in their early period.
That said I love both bands.
Many Zepplin songs seem to sound like other people, just louder and heavier. The Who are a more original band with an original sound. I'm not saying better, but they don't play that same blues-based rock, which has become a cliche.
@@harrykadaras9459 If it became a cliché, it's only because so many people tried to emulate Zeppelin.
Then why was he in a band with shit lyrics and awful melody?
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bingo.
Yeah Robert Plant's lyrics are very profound. "Baby baby baby baby baby!"
Pete Townshend loved Pink Floyd and thought David Gilmour was the greatest musician ever. So it was a matter of taste.
How can anybody compare them? Totally different music.
Who were originators, less blues based… more plain RR, less metal.
@anthc5477 bingo. They were far more unique in their writing and sound. Seen both play live and I thought the Who was a better show. Poor Jimmy P was a genius in the studio, but could not play his stuff live - especially the solos....which was supposed to be the difference
Love both the Who and Led zeppelin .
I saw both bands live.Zeppelin were really good but the Who were incredible live!
I was fortunate to see both bands live and I thoroughly enjoyed both. But there was no higher energy that was experienced than at a Who concert. The Who back in their prime were the band to see when they came to town. They would sell out five nights in a row and I managed to go three of them. This all happened through the 70's when rock and roll concerts were a weekly thing.
you're leaving off that in the formative days of LZ, Page experimented with Moon and Entwistle as the rhythm section (the LZ name even suggested by Moon)... this seems an important fact.
That discussion happened much earlier , in May 1966 around the time of "Beck's Bolero", not when Page was starting The New Yardbirds/Led Zeppelin in 1968. It came out of a general discussion about a possible future 'supergroup' formed from those involved at the time. The discussion had nothing to do with Zeppelin, Page just utilised the memory of the name from 1966 when he was partly forced into a new name for the "New Yardbirds" because an ex-Yardbird Chris Dreja held the legal right to the Yardbirds name and obtained a 'cease and desist' order for the Yardbirds name in late 1968, after Page's new band (with Plant, Bonham and Jones) had already started performing..
One were story tellers. The other, adulterers. One was clean with low distortion. The other, raucous with major sawtooth. One appealed more to the intellect. The other, our base passions.
Correct
He said himself Zeppelin became so much bigger than the Who in a lot of ways. Enough said isn’t it.
The myth become bigger than the band!
Then Pete obviously is not paying attention to the Billboard charts or his royalties because the who had many more songs that hit the top 40 charts especially in America. I think Pete was drunk and talkin some crap. 😁
@@chriskroll4166 - Simple answer. Zeppelin didn't release singles. And they still managed to sell 300 million albums.
@@bcpme8637estimated between 200-300 million
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Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple ushered in Hard Rock bands that rely on albums and tours, not pop hits; however, the Who kind of invented the concept of the Rock band, as opposed to Rock & Roll, along with the Yardbirds and Rolling Stones. One thing leads to another. It would have been something to see what Jimi Hendrix would have evolved into in the 70s - would he have mellowed like Clapton, or kept evolving his lead guitar and blown away the arena rock newcomers.? I remember him saying he was tired of loud rock, but that was likely in reaction to all of the Singer Songwriter artists
I think Jimi would have evolved into a jazz-blues player. He was already well on the way. At the time he died, there was already talk of a collaboration between Hendrix and Miles Davis, who had just gone electric. Can you imagine what that would have been like? (Miles also called Jimi the John Coltrane of electric guitar.)
When Paul McCartney was asked who the best guitarist was, he said Jimi Hendrix. To be honest, I don't understand why everyone calls him the greatest guitarist. I mean, Hendrix's strength was his deep black voice, his melodies and his blues feeling. Every of the top guitarists like Stevie Ray, Clapton, Beck etc. can play Jimi's tunes but they can't sing like Jimi, embody the blues feeling and compose Jimi's groovy music.
Nevertheless, somehow they managed to play together on Paul McCartney's Rockestra.
It's actually a complete myth that Page played on "I Can't Explain." Shel Talmy had wanted that, and Townshend adamantly, positively refused. Page DID end up playing on a much more minor Who track, however: He ended up doing the guitar solo on an obscure 1967 B-side, "Bald-Headed Woman." The reason? Page owned the only Fuzzbox distortion unit available in England at the time. So he got the job.
As for the KInks' "You Really Got Me," I personally interviewed Ray Davies in 1995 and he absolutely 100% denied that Jimmy Page was there at that session and/or had anything to do with it. Take that as you will.
Thank you for stating these facts. I ‘ve seen The Who 5 times and The Kinks 6 times. (Ray solo once, Dave twice). What kind of an ego does one have, to allow the I “played on” You Really Got Me and I Can’t Explain myth to even develop.
@reallyluckyoaklawn8306 In fareness to Jimmy Page never heard him state that he played on those songs but other people have claimed that he played on them. Jimmy Page, Richie Blackmore and Big Jim Sullivan played on many studio sessions in the sixties under contract they probably don't know which ones got released or rejected 🤔.
First fuzzbox in UK was probably owned by Jeff Beck , right ?
I like how Townsend says, “in their chosen field.” 😂 Yah, the field of amazing music.
I think you`ll find that chosen field was rehashed old blues and folk songs.
@@brianshockledge3241
A handful of old blues and folk tunes that are reworked and unlike the originals. You sound like you've never actually heard Zeppelin and are regurgitating someone else's ill-informed opinion.
@@Reno_Slim No it`s a fact they built their reputation on music they initially claimed as their own. They actually ended up with more court claims than albums.
@@brianshockledge3241Blah, blah, blah…find a new argument, this one is more rehashed than the songs they “borrowed”.
Both bands were incredible and both broke new ground. Pete has always been pretentious and a little too precious for his own good. The Who’s motto was literally “Maximum R&B”, they also adopted and co-opted black American music.
@@smd2169 I like how you say "borrowed". Of course The Who cut their teeth on R&B but they didn`t claim it as their own.
I love both bands and have all Zeppelin's and most of the Who's albums. When your at this stardom level ego's take over your emotions.
No, he's just expressing his honest opinion and some people get butthurt about it. To compare The Who and Zeppelin is idiotic, always was. One is a pioneering sixties band, the other is one that reaped the benefits of that pioneering work. Zeppelin is a little brother band to The Beatles, The Stones, The Who, Clapton (who REALLY created the Zep template, first with Yardbirds, then Cream), they came WAY after the fact, and they were seen as a ripoff of Jeff Beck Group....which they were! None of those bands were impressed with Zeppelin because they're coming from the perspective of having actually invented shit, rather than just stealing from Moby Grape and Spirit and Bert Jansch and Willie Dixon and a bunch of artists YOU don't know, but THEY know .
I don't make comparisons, each one has their own style, both have their own value and shine. Led Zeppelin will always be my favorite band and Jimmy is my most beloved guitarist. Townshend’s problem is a sore elbow, aka envy
No comparison, artistically completely different bands. I like them both.
Both had Amazing rhythm sections, that’s for sure.
Moon/Entwistle Bonham/Jones 👍
Totally agree with that..
The 2 greatest albums of all time. Physical Graffitti and Quadrophenia. Enough said.
Agree!
Oh yes, 2 absolute classic double albums.....wouldn't want to have to choose between them. The whole band comparison (especially Beatles vs Stones) is pretty pointless when you can love them both!
That said.....if I was a chick I'd probably have fancied Plant over Daltrey (but nobody could quite swing a mike like him though😂)
@@dalex8126Daltrey acts like a man on stage. Plant prances around in little girls shirts, lol. Just compare Song Remains The Same, with The Who at the Pontiac Silverdome. Daltrey all over the stage, Plant stomping his feet, humping the mic stand, snapping his fingers every 2 seconds with his palms up and twirling his hair with his index finger screaming, oooo baaaby, oooo baaaby. Just making an observation..
Whos next and the Song Remains the Same
Nah.
No one has ever said that Pete townshend solos is the the greatest of all time 😂
Thats because his guitar playing sticks rigidly to whatever song he is playing, he just cant play solo,s that,s a fact.
Another stupid guy in the world that rock music is only about guitar solos. Go to study music. ..
Both The Who and Led Zeppelin were excellent bands. It is irrelevant what Townshend thinks about Zeppelin. He can be a bit of a weirdo, but yeah... He choose the right profession for sure.
I will say this: of what (my opinion) is the big 4 of classic rock-Beatles, Stones, Zep & The Who. The Who are, by far, the best live band.
@@bobbiebaucom2023 all worthy. Sabbath, Kinks, Doors?
@@brgreg8725 Just listen to the music & share the vibe so all can enjoy! ++Peace & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul++
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Tough to even compare zep and the who. I personally prefer the who based of their live performances but zep is on Mount Rushmore too. Love them both
You could play any Beatles, Stones, Who, or Zep album and they were good, most were great with a couple of average albums. The amount of great songs by these guys is amazing.
I'm not sure how to explain this. I'm a huge Zeppelin fan, I have all their albums and I'm a big Who fan, I have at least most of their albums, overall I'd say I'm a bigger Zeppelin fan. Okay all that being said, I've seen both bands live (mid 70s) and The Who was absolutely head and shoulders the better live band.
Me too. I agree. Except the thing about owning the albums. Back in the late 60's/early 70's when I shared flats with various other guys, we tended to 'specialise' with different bands in our LP collections. So I had no Zep or Who but was the Johhny Winter/Hendrix/Jazz guy.
But The Who live were the mutt's nuts.
I won’t weigh in on which I like better, but I’ve been familiar with the Who since I was a kid because my dad was a fan. Live, the Who is incomparable.
I am a WHO fan 'til the end, but both bands (saw them both twice, and were louder than hell ,and exciting!) are superior in the studio. ZEPPELIN made great records, and as far as TheWHO goes, QUADROPHENIA is, when all is said and done, their masterpiece. and they both had some live footage that is underwhelming, as well as overwhelming. I absolutely prefer 'the KIDS are ALRIGHT' to 'THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME'. so, the ''Oo are my fave, but I believe the BEATLES are the best Rock band ever .and I happen to believe that LED ZEPPELIN ,for a bunch of Brit white boys, played blues excellently, on such tunes as 'I can't quit you, babe', 'since I've been lovin' you', and 'When the levee breaks', to name a few. separating the legal stuff over songwriting credits from the actual music, I can't see Willie Dixon being unhappy w/ that stuff. he eventually got paid, I think, so that only leaves the music. never heard him comment on it, but I'd like to read something regarding his opinion, strictly musically. I think LZ wrote 'since I've been lovin' you', and Jimmy's guitar playing on that is among the best picking I ever heard. he can play it softly, like BB and Stevie Ray, but he can also come on like a thunderclap. at his best, he is a great musician. and Pete? I've heard his own critics say that when he did less leaping about, and more playing, he was better. I know a very Picky(high standards)guitarist who never spoke highly of him until he heard 'LIVE AT LEEDS' and 'Eminence Front'. I give it up to Page for not being obsessed over Pete's comments. I never got the impression that he's full of himself. the way he was treated by THE BLACK CROWES, and refrained from speaking in public about it (but he ran into their former drummer, and explained for the first time ,in private, what a dick Rich Robinson was ).
@@tonym994 The Beatles were another group my dad listened to when I was growing up. They’re my favorite British band, as far as studio recordings go.
yeah. they transcended Rock and wrote beautiful pop/love songs, but always came back to 'Rock & Roll'. the White album, 'LET IT BE', 'ABBEY ROAD' all had R&R to end their career as a band.
Then You never seen Zep live as I Did !!!!
@@darylhoskins5696 I’ve seen both on film. The Who is better. Neither is perfect and Jones/Bonham is a great rhythm section, but Entwhistle is a bass virtuoso and Keith Moon is a force of nature.
Plant’s voice is grating many times and Page isn’t the best guitarist, live.
He said something similar about the Beatles too. So... The Who were fantastic playing live. Always annoying was the habit of smashing guitars whyle I was struggling to save money for my first Statocaster 😊
I love the who and Pete is brilliant but I will admit that guitar busting shit can still bug me a bit .
Townshend has NEVER said he "hated" The Beatles in fact he's said playing with The Beatles was one of the great moments of his entire life. He's talked about how much he loved "Day Tripper". He's talked about how he wouldn't even be writing if it wasn't for The Beatles. ALL of those guys took pot shots at The Beatles at different times in their career (including the Stones, including Zeppelin, including Zappa, etc), usually in the early 70s, because The Beatles were way up in the stratosphere beyond every other band, they loom above everybody, especially English groups.
Zep was blues derivitive to the point of just stealing from black blues artists. The Who is way more original and give more at live shows that zep ever will. Im a Whoey
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The Who was not a 'blues' band.
Led Zep was heavily into the Blues
The proper comparison is The Rolling Stones and L Z
The who was a blues band that's all they did in the beginning remember maximum maximum rock and roll and rhythm and blues
@@keithchambers3826then they progressed....most bands do. LZ stuck with the same formula throughout
@@keithchambers3826 They are the first punk band. Then, they or Pete transition to progressive
TheWHO were a blues cover band, before they even had a record contract. they're cover of James Brown's 'please, please, please', is not a masterpiece ,but they listened to, and played blues. PT actually plays a better than decent solo on ''leaving here'(R&B /1965) it's on that compilation 'WHO's missing'. but Page was so damn good, I'd call him a bluesman in the '60's, a young white kid who hadn't even lived could play blues extremely well. his solo as an adult, on 'Since I've been loving you' is among the best blues solos I ever heard. and I'm an electric guitar blues addict.
I've seen the Beatles Stones and many other bands live. Who was by far the best? The Who!!!
Who ??
Yes, the English group the Who delivered the best musical performance.
I'm first and foremost a Zeppelin fan, but I love The Who as well. If Pete doesn't like a thing Zep has done, who cares? I'm a huge Zappa fan and he's not too fond of Zep either. So what? I'm not anyone's keeper. These simpy fans who can't have their idols attacked and protect them like they're the best friend they've ever had is ridiculous. Grow up
I lived through the era and saw both the Who and Led Zep around the same time '69-70. They both toured the university circuit and that's when I saw them in Leeds. I was front of stage during the "Live at Leeds" show and likewise saw Zep up close on the small stage. Up until Zep there was always a cool relaxed vibe in the crowd, but with them it was serious with a feeling of tension in the air. I agree with Pete in that I never liked their music much. There was never any comparison in my mind. The groups were of different eras . It would be fairer to compare the Beatles, Stones, Kinks or Small Faces with the Who. 5 years is a long time in the world of teen music, and Zep were part of the next wave.
well said
Bullshit. Beatles, SM remained into 60s. Kinks was on demise in 70s. The Who was a massively important band in 70s too and made its best albums.
@@marguskiis7711 Don't you think @julianb1474 made a good point though? You both seem to have a love and reverence for The Who, as do I. In fact, @julianb1474 is saying that The Who deserves credit for being pioneers during the first wave of British Rock and you are saying The Who deserve credit for remaining relevant in the second wave. And let's face it, The Rolling Stones deserve credit for never stopping!
Exactly: that's what these idiots don't get, and your last line was spot on although i would change it to this :not teen music. SIXTIES music. Five years in the sixties was like twenty-five years compared to now. Moreso, actually. The Who are a SIXTIES band. That's when the pioneering work went on, not the 70s. The 700s was enjoying the new freedoms afforded by the 60s. Jimmy Page was a session musician playing guitar on Petula Clark's dinky DOWNTOWN, while The Beatles were bashing in doors, innovating studio techniques and building a new rock and roll audience, while the Who were smashing up their instruments in small clu bs and Dylan was going electric and stuff that had NEVER been seen or heard before was going down. Not the 10,000th heavy English blues band. named Led Zeppelin, headed up by everyone's least favorite Yardbird. Zeppelin ended up being the best of all those English blues bands (most of whom were lousy) so they get A plus for execution......but a B minus for originality. Definitely when you compare them to The Who.
@@TTM9691 totally agree, the who were constantly trying to break new ground and I’ve always held Quadrophenia as a zenith of rock albums
The who is way better than Led Zeppelin imo. Record sales have nothing to do with the quality of the record
Led Zeppelin also leads the Who on the number of copyright infringement lawsuits... Just saying.
I like LZ but they lifted a lot, and not just some guitar licks or opening chords. They should have been honest about it.
I've been a fan of The Who since 1970 and I think that sometimes Pete Townshend, whom I admire greatly, really wears his heart on his sleeve. Not always a great idea but he seems to do it anyway.
Exactly! And to me there’s nothing wrong with that. Pete has always spoke his mind.
The only times where I’ve gotten a little upset at something he said was when he spoke disparagingly about Keith and John soon after each died.
But as far as Pete not being a fan of Led Zep, big deal! I like Zep, I’m a far bigger Who fan, but I have been a Zeppelin fan for a long time now and I don’t care.
At least he is an honest man. I’d rather hear honesty than people being fake like today
@@beyondthehorizon75 - I'm pretty sure you got that wrong. Can you be more specific about what he said? He was upset that their use of drugs took them from him, but that's not disparaging them, as humans, artists, or anything else.
@@beyondthehorizon75he only paid to browse on that site for “research”. I believe he is honest too.
He needs "a heart to hang on to," of course.
PETE TOWNSHEND is right. They put out songs that was just a lot of organized Noise. Am a 64 year old man I never really cared for Zeppelin. I love rock music that is telling me something. And I saw THE WHO 5 TIME'S AND I love them. PETE TOWNSHEND IS A musical genius. Just try to listen to his music. You hear it almost everyday but you just don't know it's the who and Pete Townshend.
One of Townshend's specialties was mixing chords and licks, making it sound like there were two guitar players. He invented it - listen to W.G.F.A. Jimmy Page wasn't much for jumping around, he just adopted odd poses. Townshend was the one putting on a proper show.
You can’t compare Townshend to Page. Townshend, to me is a rhythm guitarist while Page is a more lead guitarist. Townshend strums and Page picks.
Jimmy Page is a far far better guitarist than Pete
Zeppelin is in a category of their own
Thievery? Lol
@@harrykadaras9459 Tell me you know nothing about music without telling me you know nothing about music
@@ollie5399 lol...that's funny...my band-mates say otherwise, but thanks for the support!
Overrated
@@harrykadaras9459are you on Spotify?
I grew up on these two bands in real time and have always loved them both. So sad, the bitter things Pete Townshend has said of Zep through the years, and that bitterness is becoming his legacy.
Err no it isn’t…his legacy is his music! 🙄
@julianhignell8452 The Who was done in the late 70s. When they got their new drummer and started doing pop stuff like Eminence Front they weren't the same. I saw them in the late 90s and they mailed it in. I'm not so sure how great a guitarist Townsend was either
@@williamgullett5911 rock music is not about album sales, or polished hit songs, or popularity. Rock n roll is about great lyrics expressing the times and deep thought, but mostly live performances. Live performances and lyrics is why The Mighty Who is the greatest live band.
@@williamgullett5911 Townshend is a great guitarist. For the last 60 yrs., every yr. Pete has ranked in the top 50, the top 25, or the top 10. Very well respected as s guitar player and singer at the same time, as well as a performer. Jimmy Page can't sing. Nuff said.
@@williamgullett5911 Townshend is one of only 2 legends that can play any instrument at the profrssional level, has a great voice, can play and sing at the same time, can write meaningful hit songs on his own. He has longevity. The other is Paul McCartney. Page can't sing or write like Pete or Paul.
Thats not quite right They were called the who and then changed to the high numbers and then went back to being the who.. There are numerous videos here on you tube about it
I think they were the Detours for a hot minute.
FOR ME ITS THE BIG THREE, THE BEATLES, THE STONES AND THE WHO. THOSE ARE THE ROCK PIONEERS FOR ME GROWNING UP IN THE 60'S. LED Z IS DIFFERENT. HOWEVER IF I HAD TO ONLY PICK BETWEEN THE WHO AND LED Z, I WOULD GO WITH THE WHO. WHEN I HEARD THE WHO AS A KID, MY PARENTS THOUGHT I WAS HAVING AN EPILEPTIC FIT. THEY MADE ME GO NUTS. THEY WERE JUST TOO KOOL
Zeppelin was the 70s not the 60s. It's nice that Who fans are here defending Pete's envy but no one I knew (in the 70s) EVER thought the Who were more important than Zeppelin.
@@livingreflection5 Led Zeppelin 1 came out in 1969.
You do a video comparing the Who and Led Zep but fail to mention that Moon and Entwistle of the Who came up with the name.
I'm not a great fan of either but I like some songs of each and appreciate that they were each very good at what they did. I just never thought of them as doing especially similar things.
Interesting that several of Zeps contemporaries didnt like them either, K. Richards and Clapton for instance.
I prefer the Who, both with their records and live appearances.
Me too...seen em both
Keith Moon and John Entwhistle came up with the name Led Zeppelin
KM also came up with the term Third Leg Exercise. The book Full Moon had a whole glossary section of KM isms.
Wrong. That discussion with Moon and Entwistle and Beck happened much earlier , in May 1966 around the time of "Beck's Bolero", not when Page was starting The New Yardbirds/Led Zeppelin in 1968. It came out of a general discussion about a possible future 'supergroup' formed from those involved at the time. The discussion had nothing to do with Led Zeppelin being formed, Page just utilised the memory of the name from 1966 when he was partly forced into a new name for the "New Yardbirds" because an ex-Yardbird Chris Dreja held the legal right to the Yardbirds name and obtained a 'cease and desist' order for the Yardbirds name in late 1968, after Page's new band (with Plant, Bonham and Jones) had already started performing..
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Okay. You began with the word “wrong” and then you didn’t contradict a word I said. What part of my statement was supposed to be wrong?
@@robbob5302 They didn't come up with the name Led Zeppelin. In 1966, over 2 years before the Yardbirds split, they suggested that a supergroup (potentially Page, Moon, Entwistle and Beck) would "go down like a lead balloon, in fact a Zeppelin" - the band Led Zeppelin was not even conceived of until 1968 and only named by Page very late that year. The original comment bore no relation to naming Led Zeppelin. Page merely dug up the memory of that comment when choosing a name.
I don't think there is any question the Zeppelin had more commercial success than The Who but I think at the height of their powers, The Who were a better live band. I like "The Song Remains the Same", but it's an uneven showcase of cherry picked performances over the course of three evenings. "Live at Leeds" on the other hand is a warts and all live performance that The Who just rip through with minimal editing. We can all agree that LZ was the heavier of the two groups but Live at Leeds showed that Townshend and company could out heavy anyone when they wanted to. Both band legacies are secure at this point in history, it just comes down to who(no pin intended) you like better. As a side note, and I know this will not be in line with other opinions, I think "Who's Next" and "Quadropenia" are the top two albums in both band's discographies.
Townsend hasn’t stopped talking out of his arse since the 60s, claiming the debut zeppelin album ripped of live at leeds even though it was released after zeppelin 1. Apart from whos next and tommy the who were a singles band playing heavy pop records, no one came close to zeppelin in the 70s not even the stones
Townshend once dissed even Entwistle, saying he played bass because he was "the third best guitarist in the band," meaning worse, even, than Daltry.
talking out your arse the stones were out there on their own listen to exile and sticky fingers zeps albums not in same class
Half of this is wrong. Jimmy page didn’t just wake up one day and decide to form zeppelin. He was contractually obligated to play a number of gigs with the yardbirds. But all the members except page had left. And slowly he recruited 3 guys and the name came from Keith moon himself.
That discussion happened much earlier , in May 1966 around the time of "Beck's Bolero", not when Page was starting The New Yardbirds/Led Zeppelin in 1968. It came out of a general discussion about a possible future 'supergroup' formed from those involved at the time. The discussion had nothing to do with Zeppelin, Page just utilised the memory of the name from 1966 when he was partly forced into a new name for the "New Yardbirds" because an ex-Yardbird Chris Dreja held the legal right to the Yardbirds name and obtained a 'cease and desist' order for the Yardbirds name in late 1968, after Page's new band (with Plant, Bonham and Jones) had already started performing..
This narrator has a superb voice for documentaries and voice over vids
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missing from this account: that time Robert Plant asked to join the Who (to replace Daltrey) and when Jimmy Page tried to poach Moon & Entwhistle outta the Who to form "The New Yardbirds." Keith Moon even came up w LZ's name! might've fed into Townshend's attitude
I love both bands, but I will admit I really didn't start appreciating the Who's music until I was an old man. Its funny, I have both bands CDs in my car & I alternate between listening to them depending on my mood...lol
No one writes lyrics like Townshend
How about Lennon, Dylan, Waters, Waits, Kantner, Slick, Hunter, Jagger, Hendrix, Morrison, and Capaldi? All of whom wrote better, more resonant lyrics than Townshend. And that's just off the top of my head . . .
well said, in this WHO fan's opinion. but why is it that Plant gets none of the credit for all the lyrics he wrote? that's essentially half the song. a ZEPPELIN fanatic friend of mine says it's too derivative of.. that British fairy tale...all I know is, he gets zero credit for outstanding lyrics .like, he's a vocalist and that's that.
@@tonym994 I didn't realize Plant didn't get credit for his lyrics. So the songwriting assignation on the Zep albums concerns only the musical composition? That would be a first, as far as I know. I prefer Zep to the Who, by a longshot, but I will say that Pete's lyrics generally sound better than Robert's. Plant has written some very good lines and passages, but all too often he follows a good line with a clunker.
@@chicklets4ever51 he's not on Pete's level at all. and you know that the listings of all band members really tells us nothing about the music or the words, except that Page doesn't write lyrics. I read in 'CIRCUS' (before it was metal, just a general rock mag), Page was asked about a lyric, he replied, you'd have to ask Robert, he writes the lyrics. when I got a DVD copy of 'the making of PARANOID', I realized that Geezer, not Ozzie, wrote the classics on it. great live, early footage of BLACK SABBATH.
@@tonym994 Maybe Robert is just being modest. He has, on occasion, admitted that he realizes his lyrics are not always up to snuff.
in my humble opinion, if we are going to compare- Page is a better guitar player than Townshend, but Townshend is a better song writer than Page/Plant/Jones & Bonham combined. Daltrey sings better than Plant but Plant has such a powerful & distinctive voice, it was revolutionary. Bonham is probably the most influential drummer of all time & rightfully so, but my fcking god Keith Moon... nobody could ever duplicate how he played. The speed, timing, rhythm & theatrics. ADHD at its absolute finest. Moon was & forever will be one of a kind.
As far as those two bass players called John hiding from the limelight (who both were also INCREDIBLE song writers)
John Paul Jones is an absolute legend, but he doesn't hold a candle to Entwistle's bass playing & I'll die on that hill.
Well said
R.I.P
Wrong
@@mechanicrainbow2709 Are you dense? How can an opinion be wrong?
the argument over who has the better band will continue forever. It doesn't matter if they are both from the same era or even similar styles. People (some) will have a preference for one over another. Stuff like this constantly goes through my mind when I think back to one band opening for another and wondering why / how they got chosen. The Monkeeys opening for Hendrix, Beach Boys opening for Chicago or Moody Blues... the list goes on. I feel a little contrast is good, but sometimes I wonder if too much is good or bad.
They're NOT from the same era, nor do they have similar styles. One is a pioneering band, the other enjoys the freedoms afforded by that pioneering work, plain and simple. I mean, Zeppelin was NAMED by one of the members of The Who, for chrissake.
@@TTM9691.... Not from the same era? They were playing on the same stage in the 60s and 70s. Well, not The Who and Zep, which is the point of the video.
It was Hendrix opening for the Monkees. I'm old enough that I remember. Pretty funny
@@thomasmay69 I stand corrected. Must have been the brown acid, eh? BTW, I was at shows where The Beach Boys opened for Chicago and another for the Moody Blues. Sometimes I think they just look to see who is on town and throw a dart to pick one. SMH
This isn't news. So many of Zepp's contemporaries couldn't bring themselves to say that they liked them because of the fact that Zepp totally dominated the 70s. I really wished that Hendrix was around during this time because he was fawning over other musicians like Chicago's Terry Kath and even the Beatles. It was not uncommon for Hendrix to cover Sgt. Peppers during his live set. He loved collaborating with other musicians and recording those sessions. It would have been interesting to have Hendrix work with Page.
Jimi was a noble soul.
I’ve always thought that had Hendrix lived his full quota he might have gravitated more towards jazz and fusion, t least for a while, which was where many of the more accomplished musicians found themselves in the 70s. Can you imagine a more mature Hendrix with Weather Report, especially when Jaco Pastorius was their bass player? And what about the Jimi Hendrix/Stanley Clarke album that never happened. We can only speculate but I wouldn’t have been surprised had his virtuosity taken him down that road.
@@francispower1418 Yes, I agree. At the time Hendrix died, there was already discussion between Jimi and Miles Davis, who had just "gone electric," about collaborating. Can you imagine? Miles once called Jimi "the John Coltrane of electric guitar."
@@francispower1418 Jimi was definitely all about experimenting with new sounds. To be able to hear him play with Jaco would have been nuts. So much virtuosity in the same band! I know that Jaco was incorporating lots of different types of world music into his bass playing. Like Jimi, Jaco was a genius who was gone too soon.
Hendrix would have never worked with Page. He started to hate the life and wanted to get into experimental music not rehash old blues. From what I've read Hendrix wanted to get into fusion and jam with jazz greats.
He liked the way the Beatles stopped touring and pushed the boundaries in the studio. He grew tired of people screaming "Purple Haze" all the time.
Led Zep where never heavy metal. They where heavy rock, could a heavy metal band write songs like The Battle of Evermore, Tangerine or Kashmir.???
Funny thing that's ommited it when The Who were flagging in '68, pre-Tommy, that Moonie & Entwistle were on the cusp of jumping to the new band formation, w/ Moonie even, allegedly helping forming the name, saying it was bound to go over like a lead zeppelin..
There is more to it than that - Back in 66/7 is when Page first tried to get 'zeppelin' together and he had Keith Moon on drums and John Entwistle on bass along with Jeff Beck on guitar... It could have been amazing, but then Pete found out and gave Moon/Entwistle and ultimatum and they chose to stay with The Who, shortly after that Page joined the Yardbirds until they fell apart in 68 then of course the Zeppelin we know came to be...
Both bands had great albums but live, The Who dominated the stage from 1967 to 1975. For 60 years The Who is considered to be the greatest live band. That's what rock is all about. Live At Leeds, nuff said.
Live At Leeds kicks Song Remains The Same's ass any day of the week. Plant even used to dress like Daltrey, lol.
@@TTM9691 Live At Leeds was recorded in one night, at one show, one take, and no mixing or overdubbing in the studio. What is on Live At Leeds is the concert.
Zep's SRS was recorded 3 nights, 3 shows, best songs and cuts taken to the studio by Page for 1.5 years to clean up and produce. This is why The Mighty Who is the greatest live band. They set the bar.
@@TTM9691 no, Plant dressed like a little girl. Daltrey acted and dressed like a man.
@@trajan6927 HAHAHAHAHA! High five! Hahahahaha. I love Plant, sorry Robert, but Trajan summed you up pretty sweet! LOL. Dude, you cracked me up with that one. :D
@@TTM9691 if somebody is amazed that plant snapped his fingers with his palms up 5,000 times in SRS and twirled his hair with his index finger, wore stolen little girls shirts, stomped his feet like a little sissy, humped the mic stand while sceaming oo baaby oooo baaaby then they are under suspicion. 😲
I've heard Townshend say this in at least a few different interviews, so it wasn't just something he spewed out once in a grumpy mood. And that's fine that he disliked them but if he was not going out of his way to be a jerk should have just kept it to himself. Music fans, just like any other kind of passionate interest, tends to create elitists and camps and a lot of division. You grow out of that eventually but when you're just learning about something and you're young you like to make everything a competition. But for Townshend to say this means he's a real dick. This isn't honesty as apologists would say, it's just being a dick. Pete needs to take some Paul McCartney lessons.
It's not like Townshend volunteered it for the sake of saying it. People ask about it, what it was like, how he feels about comparisons, how he feels about them. So he answers. BECAUSE HE'S ASKED THE QUESTION. And never did he say they weren't good or great, just that they didn't push his buttons.
Nothing dickish about that.
I love them both. To me their equally great. Zep's got their style & Who's got theirs. Zep is basically a hard rock/blues band but the Who with Petes genius style of blending hard rock with melody beats them in songwriting any day. And I'm a sucker for melody, the heart & soul of music. Anyways rock on guys!!!!
Yeah, I mean, all those "melody-less" songs like -
'Babe, I'm gonna leave you'
'Thank You'
'Tangerine'
'Stairway to Heaven'
'The Rain Song'
'Ten Years Gone'
'Fool in the Rain'
'All My Love'.
I think Townshend's dislike of LZ is more down to Page trying to poach Moon and Entwistle for him and Jeff Beck's supergroup. Around 1966 The Who were looking like splitting up, Moon & Entwistle were supposed to go to a recording session incognito, Moon turned up disguised as a cossack, Entwistle didn't show. They ended up recording 'Beck's Bolero' with John Paul Jones on bass. Townshend got wind of this and apparently was less than pleased to say the least.
HAHAHHAHA who cares if he like them or not. I only like The Who a little bit. I LOVE Led Zeppelin. Good ol Pete was caught in a restroom approaching young men (teens) for special favor LOL. He should keep his mouth shut and just accept the stardom he has.
I feel the same way! I’ll keep quiet about what I know! But I adore the music of LED ZEPPELIN and pay homage to a few great tracks by…. WHO?
Two outstanding pop groups..no need for any comparisons to be made.
Pop LOL
Led Zep is pop? You don't know what you are saying or you know nothing about music.
@@ruelitocayamanda8162 That's true.
As a fan of both bands I found the vid disappointing. No interesting musical comparisons either as players or song writers, just commercial success with a smug bit of sotto voce. What's next? Olivia Newton John was better than John Lennon because she got an OBE and John only an MBE?
Keith Moon named them. In the bar with Peter Grant (zep manager)who was telling Moon of the new supergroup Page was forming, to which Moon said of the idea "That'll go down like a Led Zeppelin".
No. That discussion with Moon and Entwistle and Beck happened much earlier , in May 1966 around the time of "Beck's Bolero", not when Page was starting The New Yardbirds/Led Zeppelin in 1968. It came out of a general discussion about a possible future 'supergroup' formed from those involved at the time. The discussion had nothing to do with Led Zeppelin being formed, Page just utilised the memory of the name from 1966 when he was partly forced into a new name for the "New Yardbirds" because an ex-Yardbird Chris Dreja held the legal right to the Yardbirds name and obtained a 'cease and desist' order for the Yardbirds name in late 1968, after Page's new band (with Plant, Bonham and Jones) had already started performing..
Love them both. So great.
"Overshadowed the Who by some margin", you say? Well a quick look at the charts tells us a different story. I love Zepplin but Pete is an awesome song writer and I don't think the Who's accomplishments were "overshadowed" by any other band. But I guess it's a matter of perspective and they were both great no matter how you slice it.
As a guitarist Jimmy's a all-around more capable player. Pete's a great rhythm and power chord player. As a band. The Who wins hands down. I love The Who and very much like Led Zepplin. Both are two of the very best. One last thing. With respect to your view. You are reaching quite a bit.
@@kennethmoffat7409 I was going to say that I completely agree but I'm not sure why you think I was "reaching".
My bad, i was talking about the person's comment. That you reply to. I was trying to be polite. I thought(think) it was a bit rude. Two all-time Rock 'n' Roll Legends. The Bands also.
@@kennethmoffat7409 So I guess we do agree then. I grew up in the 60's / 70's and I love both bands, The Who slightly more mainly because of Pete's song writing and all the things they accomplished. I also thought that the maker of this clip was reaching when he said that Zepplin overshadowed The Who. It seems he was basing his opinion solely on Album sales and if I wasn't so polite I would have said that such an assessment is completely absurd. Peace
@@DarylBark I agree, i grew up in the 70's. Had my older brother's records to listen to. He was a fan of both bands. I saw "The Kids Are Alright" and i became a big fan of The Who. Pete once said (about The Beatles), the Who could blow them off the stage. Big Beatle fan, however i agree with him on that point. Also, better stage band than Led Zepplin. Still, Led Zepplin GREAT band. Led Zepplin IV, one of the top albums of all time. You could make a strong case for "Who's Next" in that small group of all-time classics, also. Peace
Tbh I love the Who, but for some reason Led Zeppelin just dont move me in anyway shape or form. I've been listening to rock music for 30 years and in that time not a single note of Led Zep has reverberated with me.
I really like the Who but there's no need in comparison with Led Zeppelin there both all time great rock bands
Zeppelin gave us hard edged blues riffs with Plant's howling vocals and it was god like.
The Who cannot be beat for Daltrey's powerful voice, Moon's insane drum work, and The Ox's otherworldly bass riffs. Townshend is a great guitar player, but Jimmy is in a class all by himself and Pete does not swim in these waters. However, Pete is the superior song writer. I will put The Who's lyrics up against anything offered by Zep and Pete comes out on top every time. I love both bands for different reasons.
But songwriting is more than just lyrics. Yes, Townshend's lyrics are, overall, better than Plant's, which get pretty corny sometimes. On the other hand, Page's song compositions are far more sophisticated and subtle than Pete's, which mostly just flit between major and minor chords. Page really is a composer; Pete is just a songwriter.
@@chicklets4ever51 What's Page done since Zeppelin disbanded in 1980? Very very little.
@@geoffpoole483 Not true. He hasn't done that much, but has nevertheless teamed up with Robert on many occasions and in many different venues. Anyway, I don't mind. Rockers should quit while they're ahead. David Gilmour, for example, was a fool to pretend to revive Pink Floyd after Roger Waters left. The material he released was just terrible and diluted the Floyd catalogue with some very subpar material. I would rather the great Jimmy Page remain silent than return and make mediocre music.
Exactly...you nailed it
@geoffpoole483 Page was a studio musician - but his live playing could never duplicate what he did in the studio, and he could not play a long, coherent, fluid solo. He never progressed or altered his playing...just kept with the same licks for a decade and a half.
Townshend and Ray Davies should of teamed up and formed a supergroup. Imagine that ! A mash up of The Kinks and The Who.
Led Zeppelin all met each other after years of slogging away in other bands.
I thought I remembered that Keith Moon actually suggested the name, referring to it going over "Like a Lead Balloon".
One word: jealous. And that's fine! Who wouldn't be? Led Zeppelin is the pinnacle of guitar and drum-based music. It does not go up from there. The sheer nerve someone must have to possess to watch, for example, Dazed and Confused @ MSG 1973 from start to finish, look me in the eye and tell me there is a superior iteration of a rock band. The Who are fine, decent. A very respectable outfit and an asset to the British sixties scene. But come on, Zeppelin were once in a millennia lightning in a bottle. If you know anything about musical theory, exploring the full potential of instruments, songwriting, performing music, performing music _ensemble_, this isn't even a debate.
@ollie5399 No, it isn't a debate because Zeppelin couldn't write lyrics to save their souls. All they did was reiterate sexual blues and medieval sorcery cliches in their lyrics, and "Dazed and Confused" @MSG 1973 is the epitome of '70's self-indulgence rock. A half-hour long, with Plant screeching like his groin is being tightened in a vice? Not to mention Page sawing away on his guitar with a violin bow, rendering it completely unlistenable. And then there's Bonham pounding away like a caveman assaulting his drums as though he had clubs in his hands. I'll admit it - I just can't understand the fascination with Zeppelin. And I've tried over and over again to get it, but I just can't. I want good lyrics, melody, memorable verses that will stay with me and get me through certain moods I may be in...things like that. And I get none of that with Zeppelin. With the Beatles, the Stones, the Who and the Kinks, I can listen to their music and feel both joy and sadness, and I can laugh or cry. With Zeppelin, I just feel numb and emotionless. Zeppelin's music is not music to reach one's inner soul. At least it isn't to me.
@@robertbykowski1398 So what I take from that is that you prefer pop music (or, guitar based pop music of that era), for its texture and structure, as well as more relatable lyrical subject matters. Fair enough, many people do! I guess Beatles/Stones/Kinks vs the more experimental/blues/jam-based LZ material is chalk and cheese really. I do like the Beatles and Kinks (less so the Stones), but without wishing to sound arrogant and snobbish, I just find the musicality of it all really humdrum. With just an intermediate level of musical training, you can easily understand everything going on in a Beatles song; every predictable chord sequence and drum pattern. The Who were a little bit more abstract and further towards the Zeppelin end of the spectrum, I think, which is maybe why Townsend took a particular interest enough to get a bee in his bonnet about what they were capable of. The key thing about Zeppelin regardless of if it's one's cup of tea was that they really were four absolute master musicians, to an unprecedented level. Absolutely nobody has been able to play together and create anything like it before or since. In some parts of their material they took what the instruments were capable of to a level people today are still unable to wrap their brains around, and that does the job at reaching my inner soul.
@ollie5399 Yes, it does go up from there. Not only the Who, but the Jimi Hendrix Experience and Cream were both superior to Zeppelin. Again, listenability is a key factor.
Live in the mid 70’s always liked The Who better . Zeppelin did too many long drawn out songs and solos .
Me too. And Plant moaned "Baby, baby, baby, baby" one to many times for me...as Roger screamed at the top of his lungs 'Meet the New Boss' and 'Long Live Rock!'
@@harrykadaras9459Roger acted like a real man on stage. No sissy shirts with ruffles, or stomping his feet like a little girl like Plant.
@@trajan6927 Exactly. I'm not saying Plant can't sing...he was great. But that style is so fem. LZ fans will never admit that he copied 1969 Roger to a T as far as clothes, bare chest, and bushy long hair - the rest is him. I just prefer Roger's kick-ass attitude because that's Rock & Roll. When I first heard My Generation I flipped...I was like that voice was so rough, tough, and gritty. If Rock was a living person it would be Roger.
@@harrykadaras9459 Plant is a good studio singer on polished songs. Roger is manly and has a powerful voice and acts like a badass on stage. Plant, well not so much. Ooo baaby ooo baaaby, push push! Does anyone rememba lafta! 😁
The Who is my all-time favorite rock group and Led Zeppelin is a very close #2 favorite rock group. MusicMongoose, your video on The Who/Led Zeppelin rivalry is very good (you clearly have a great deal of knowledge about both groups), but I think some nuance is appropriate here.
First, you are correct that Led Zeppelin outsold The Who (and all other rock groups during the '70s) in terms of record sales. But I think you were exaggerating when you said The Who's 100 million record sales "was nothing compared to" Led Zeppelin's 300 million: 100 million sold is not "nothing" even when compared with 300 million sold. Besides, regarding concert ticket sales, I suspect both bands had a comparable success: in the '70s, both The Who and Led Zeppelin played the same arena and stadium venues and both groups typically sold out their concerts. If either The Who or Led Zeppelin sold more concert tickets than the other during 1968-1980, that would be due to which group played the most gigs during that period. After all, both bands toured extensively during that period. So, commercially Led Zeppelin came out on top on record sales, but did not necessarily sell more concert tickets.
But The Who was a bit luckier than Led Zeppelin in one important respect: treatment by the news media.
During the '68-'80 period, and in the wake of the break-up of the Beatles, The Who may have been the most praised rock group of the time. After the release of TOMMY in 1969, The Who became the darling of the rock press in the USA, UK, and Europe. Even the mainstream media of the time showered The Who with critical praise after they played the TOMMY album at New York's Metropolitan Opera House in 1970. In December of 1979, The Who received an honor only The Beatles previously had: a TIME magazine cover story (this was when being featured on the cover of TIME magazine was a big deal). But Led Zeppelin was treated at times with disrespect by the news media, even by the rock press. Although Led Zeppelin did have some prominent rock writers praising them, such as Britain's Chris Welch, they were often denigrated in the rock press (Led Zeppelin didn't grace the cover of ROLLING STONE until 1977) and were almost ignored by the mainstream media (Led Zeppelin's first USA mainstream magazine cover was in PEOPLE magazine in 1976). The situation was unfair, but fortunately by the 1990s, Led Zeppelin had largely caught up with The Who in terms of media interest and praise.
There is also another way in which The Who had one advantage over Led Zeppelin: Hollywood. Once The Beatles appeared in A HARD DAY'S NIGHT, the next test of a great rock band was the leap to the cinema. The Who released three films during the '70s: the film adaptations of the rock operas TOMMY (1975) and QUADROPHENIA (1979) and the documentary THE KIDS ARE ALRIGHT (1979) (and remember that The Who were prominently featured in the WOODSTOCK documentary film). Led Zeppelin released only one film: THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME concert documentary in 1976. I love the film, but it does have a few flaws and it never received the critical praise given to The Who's films. But none of these factors makes either band superior to the other.
I agree that jealousy was the reason why Pete Townshend resented Led Zeppelin: The Who took essentially four years to become rock superstars -- Led Zeppelin reached the same heights of success after only ONE year. And, there might be another reason.
When The Who showed up to record "I Can't Explain" for Shel Talmy, they were surprised that Jimmy Page was in the studio with his guitar: apparently, it was Shel Talmy's policy to always have a back-up studio guitarist (and a drummer -- Keith Moon insisted the drummer not play on the recording and won). Page played only rhythm guitar on "I Can't Explain" while Townshend played lead guitar and took the solo. However, Talmy apparently wanted his money's worth of hiring Page and told The Who to use a fuzztone effects box on the B-side, "Bald Headed Woman." But the only guitarist in the UK who owned a fuzzbox in 1965 was -- you guessed it -- Jimmy Page, who refused to let Townshend use it. Page played lead guitar on the B-side: I don't know if Townshend plays at all on that track. I suspect that Pete may have held a grudge about that for a while.
Well, MusicMongoose, that is my two cents' worth (or maybe 50 cents' worth considering how lengthy my comment is) but I suspect you already knew all of this. Thanks for the video on my two favorite rock groups and the chance to comment.
You forget about the film and musical theatre version of "Tommy," a significant moneymaker that Zep has nothing like. Also the fact that "Baba O'Riley" has been used in hundreds of TV shows and commercials - again, Zep has nothing equivalent.
Love them both
one thing that really hurt the who was that pretentious rock opera phase, where zeppelin just stayed with rock, which sells better than opera, or pretensions of being opera class talent.
Jimmy Page wouldn't have had a Marshall to plug into without Pete.
Jimi copied Pete's rig exactly.
Entwistle is why you have roundwound bass strings and fingerstyle tock playing.
Blonde singer up front, drummer and his kit falling down a flight of stairs round back?
It could only be The Who, until it was everyone.
One thing I would like to say is "The Who never did covers", has Zep did many times without in many cases giving credit to the artists that originally wrote them and played them especially the old Blues artists.
I have listened to top 40 all the time in the 60s as a kid. In the mid 70s as a teen I was a total Zep Head. Never once did I see the group in the same vein as the Who. Nothing alike or to compare to.
I owned the Zeppelins Albums and listened to them all the time. I never owned a Who album.
Zep is a chicks band, The Mighty Who is a man's band. Look at the sissy Plant wearing little girls shirts vs the manly man acting with prowess on stage Roger Daltrey.
@@trajan6927 Right, a chicks band that sold 300 million albums. I'll bet that you were not even born when these bands started. You are just wrong
@@thomasmay69 Zep was a chicks band who sold 200 million albums (which is impressive). Zep did not sell 300 million albums. Chicks loved Zep because Plant acted like a woman. I was born in 1955. Nice try youngster. Anybody rememba lafta! 😁
@@thomasmay69 Boys To Men And Back Street Boys were chick bands to that sold a ton of records. Cheers mate.
I love both bands equally. They are my two favorite classic rock bands of all time.
The argument has always been about focus ,
About what you focus on
Led Zeppelin were recording artists meaning they focused on the Recording performance and replicating that Live
Which the Wolves love and promote and broadcast and praise , due to its easy commercial capabilities
Pete loved performing live
And would get on stage with other bands and just play
Pete was fascinated by the Dead and the Live experience focus
In fairness Townsend says he likes the blokes but not their music that’s just a matter of taste both were great bands.
Sal Talmy has repeatedly said in interview after interview (as did everyone involved in the recording sessions) that Jimmy Page did not play the main riff or the guitar solo on "YOU REALLY GOT ME". Jimmy Page did not play anything on the song "YOU REALLY GOT ME". Jimmy Page did play rhythm guitar and tambourine on the Kinks cover song "LONG TALL SHORTY" and rhythm guitar on the Kinks instrumental "REVENGE", which Jimmy Page later covered & released as a single. These are the facts documented in the recording sessions.