3 things; 1- take care of them, and they'll definitely last. 2- don't get one that's been molested by cletus. 3- on a crown vics worst day, it's waaaaay better than working on a northstar Cadillac.
Don't buy any Crown Victoria interceptor from Minnesota unless it's a well maintained detective car as they were typically in much better shape! Highway patrol and or local police 🚓 and the Sheriff's squad cars were heavily abused 99% of the time in Minnesota with rare exceptions of the guy who pampered his car!!! Minnesota is RUST capital of the state the USA 🇺🇲 as they like dumping salt 🧂 all over their roads as well during the winter ❄️ 🥶 months!!! Do your research!!! Don't believe car salesman's, auctioneer's or MOST private partie's either way about anything you buy either way! If you don't know what too look for great if you don't have your trusted mechanic do it not their's because they will lie through their teeth!!!
Just picked up a 2011 P7B with 148k on the clock for $1800 and it's in excellent shape. I got lucky. Going to get a cheapo maaco paint job as this one is black with white doors and hood/truck and I want that stealth look. Might copy your grey color. Looks great!
I've owned 5, still have 2 ('04 & '10 cvpi's) and bidding on an '05 with 91,000 miles. These cars will get you where you wanna go, regardless if they're falling apart or not. They're extremely resilient, easy to work on and many affordable aftermarket parts. You are wrong about the rear axle shafts wearing evenly. The driver's side always wears a groove into the shaft near the bearing, long before the passenger's side. Just rebuilt my 2010 cvpi's rear. Still got me across country before I began the repair.
Don't get me wrong they have a lot of little issues. But I beat the crap out of mine. And I still would be ok driving it cross country no problem. I might get a 2nd one if I can find a decent one for cheap. (Which is hard to do.) I got mine in 2019? Only cost me $1300 it was no show car but what people are asking right now is outrageous. I probably could get close to $4k out of it.
If the car has the open rear axle, it's the passenger side axle that always goes first, due to that being the wheel that gets the power from the engine.
I just bought at auction for $1300.00 my "new" 2007 P7. 197,000 miles, no codes, and almost new Goodyear Eagles, runs and drives great. It was an Elmore County Idaho Sheriff's car.
#1 was right on the money. I'm currently replacing my 2011 P71 intake manifold with the Ford Performance version from Summit Racing. I've heard nothing but bad things about the Dorman.
i bought the only crown vic on fb for 2750 a month ago. it has a bad pinion bearing but even if i were to have ford do the job im still up. i havent seen one for less than 4800 for sale since. so glad i found this one when i did got my last 2 in 2017 for 1k each
just got an 09 detectives unit clean and no issues thus far...did about 600 worth of maintenance when i got her--swapped to a black honey grille...good video will keep a lookout for these issues...intake manny might need attention soon at 127k
I have owned several Panther cars (seven I believe) during the past 30+ years. I have been a municipal fleet services mechanic for 41 years and retired last year. Crown Vics were by far the most reliable vehicle I ever worked on. I currently own a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis with 238,000 miles, and a recently purchased 2007 Mercury Grand Marquis with 36,000 miles. It is in absolutely mint condition, and I paid $9000 for it. It was worth every penny and more. I have replaced many intake manifolds, but have only had to replace one on one of my own cars. I believe prolonged idling contributes to intake manifold failure. As for the blend door actuator, I've had three fail on my own cars. I have never replaced one on a city owned car, the job just takes too much time, so they were sent out to a private shop. I live in the Phoenix, AZ area, where we don't need heat, so I never replaced one on my own cars as well. You can remove the glove box, passenger side airbag, and the duct to the far right air vent, make a chisel out of a two foot long piece of rebar, stick it through the air bag opening, and break off all three of the little tabs that hold it in place, and it will drop down, where you can remove the wires from it, and take it out. Then you can jam a piece of wood or something similar between the little arm on the blend door and the ductwork case, and jam it into either the full A/C or full heat position. I put mine in the full A/C position, so I have A/C but no heat. It's a $1000+ job to have it replaced at a shop, because the entire dash has to come out, and it will just fail again. I no longer turn the heat on in my current cars, to prevent the blend door actuators from stripping out. I have seen a couple of odometers fail, but it's not actually the odometers that fail, it's the LEDs and/or the brightness switch. The rotary knob that controls the brightness of the dash lights tends to fail. That switch has partially failed on both my cars. The odometers still work, but I don't actually have to have them. I use a GPS unit, and the fuel gauges don't fail. Yes a failed odometer will affect resale value, but I have no intention of selling either one of my cars as long as they are repairable within reason. I plan to drive them for the rest of my life. If you have an odometer fail, notice if any other green dash lights also failed. If they did, try replacing the rotary dash light dimmer control first. I have never seen a rear axle fail on a Panther car, and I've seen them with over 400,000 miles with no major repairs. Since I drive Grand Marquis instead of Crown Vics, if I ever need to replace my rear axle, I'll have to make sure I find one with the 2.73 final drive gearing. These axles are plentiful, and can easily be rebuilt, so you are probably better off having one rebuilt than getting one from a junkyard that may not last long. I strongly suggest changing the rear axle fluid every 30,000 miles. I have never seen a problem with gas tanks rusting or steering issues on 2003 and newer models. I live in southern AZ, where things just do not rust. Neither one of my cars have even surface rust anywhere on them, including underneath. There is one problem not mentioned that WILL happen on ALL Panther cars that have rear air suspension. The air bags will eventually leak, and the rear of the car will be sitting almost on the ground. The air bags are somewhat expensive to replace, I have replaced them with coil springs on a couple of my cars with coil springs, which only cost around $200, if you do it yourself, and it is a permanent fix. It does not affect the ride or handling. Many of the things mentioned are far more likely to happen on an ex police car than a civilian Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, or Lincoln Town car. As for whether these cars are still worth buying, ABSOLUTELY. I wouldn't even consider buying a new car with all their TRASH technology and insane prices. I just paid $9000 cash for a 2007 Mercury Grand Marquis with 36,000 miles on it from an elderly couple who were the original owners. It had a clean Carfax, and they had a huge stack of maintenance receipts for it. I was a mechanic for 41 years, and I gave the car a good going over. I expect this car to last the rest of my life. This is the car I want to drive. There is no new vehicle out there that I have any desire to own or drive. Millions of these cars were made, and both new and used parts are plentiful, and most of them are cheap. Also, for a mechanically inclined person, these cars are simple enough that things can easily be rigged, like I did with my blend door actuator. With proper maintenance they tend to last well past 300,000 miles. There is a video on TH-cam where a guy had one that lasted a MILLION miles, with its original engine, transmission, and rear axle. Would you rather pay under $10,000 for a nice low mileage Panther car, or $50,000 for a new car that will be lucky to last 100,000 miles? I easily get 30+ mpg on the highway in my Grand Marquis, with its automatic overdrive, cruise control, and 2.73 rear axle. I wouldn't buy a junker unless you bare a mechanic and have a large supply of parts and parts cars, but a decent one can still be kept going for 20+ years for a whole lot less than buying a POS new car that is designed to be disposable.
I just bought a 2005 Crown Vick Intecepter 140 thousand miles .It's very clean runs really great .I've only had it two weeks . It took me two years to find an interceptor . Four thousand dollars best money I ever spent . Why would you buy a Toyota ???? Ford all the way !!!!
The 2005 was a transition year, and there are two different ones - earlier ones use 28 count spline axles (as with anything before 2005), and later ones (from Dec 7, 2004) have 31 spline axles and an improved electrical system. They're all good and the later ones are better - mine has a June 28, 2005 born on date and many of the factory installed parts have 2006 MY part numbers on it. A lot of people hate on this year due to a DBW issue that was resolved one month into the MY (drive by wire, brand new on this car in 2005), along with that passenger side quarter panel antenna but I happen to like that, and my '05 is bar none the best car I've ever owned. I do think the newer model years (2008+) lack in build quality next to these older ones.
I bought a nice 2011 from a dealer and found that the climate door and the radiator fan control were broken. As I was getting pissed I remembered the 30-day warranty sticker on the window. So the issues were fixed for free! They would not fix the rear window defrost because it was not covered under drivetrain warranty. I had the rear window replaced for about $200, that solved the issue. The trunk was leaking, but when I had a new trunk kock assembly installed, it stopped leaking.
I rap on the odo with my fist to bring it back on. This summer I’ll reflow the solder connections. I pulled the dash out to fix the hvac mode door hinge ( zip ties). PTFE grease on the blend door gears while there. Finished it as the first snow of 2020/21 fell.
You forgot to mention the overdue gorse out another. I do non-emergency medical transportation, and the company I work for uses nothing but these cars, and out of the 6 we have on the road, we are down to 2 cars with overdrive left. 1 car has gone through 3 transmissions but still has a strong engine, even at 365K + miles.
Worth it? Of course: It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
I remember hearing the "Gas Tank" issue was more of a rarity and it was only an issue on earlier models between 2000 to 2002 if I remember. Correct me if I'm wrong Idk.
Nah it's 100% an issue on newer models. O had to replace my former 07 silver lx tank at 10 years old and wasn't uncommon to see cruisers at auction with them rusted out or freshly replaced.
The gas tank strap bolts and nuts are one time use from factory good luck finding one or a set at parts store I had to fashion a strap extender and rig a bolt a simple hour job took 8 hours
My 2001 CVPI was $3100 + buyer's premium with 79K on it, purchased in 2000. It was my town's chief's car. A little ratty and needs paint/body work, but seems mechanically good and drives like a cat. Yes, it reminds me of a big black cat-- lithe and powerful.
Pretty much the same. Theoretically a cream puff and well kept civilian model wouldn't have seen a bunch of 0-60s, idling etc and as long as it was maintained should technically speaking be better than most P71s, but it isn't always true.
Don't see why not. Just don't expect it to be easy to find a super clean one overly easy at a decent price. It is getting harder and harder to find them as time goes on.
Better be flawless cause I ain't buying a overpriced rutty beater Crown Victoria interceptor that's been neglected and beat too f#ck and rusted AF! Their are lots of overpriced ones that people want ridiculous prices for that aren't even the rare ones and or immaculate!!!
Lets not overlook the fuel pump. It is conveniently located in the gasoline tank, that's right an electric fuel pump in the gas tank. I've had two CV's with bad pumps. Costly job. The tank has to be dropped and if you just filled it up, oh well. $$$$$
3 things;
1- take care of them, and they'll definitely last.
2- don't get one that's been molested by cletus.
3- on a crown vics worst day, it's waaaaay better than working on a northstar Cadillac.
Don't buy any Crown Victoria interceptor from Minnesota unless it's a well maintained detective car as they were typically in much better shape! Highway patrol and or local police 🚓 and the Sheriff's squad cars were heavily abused 99% of the time in Minnesota with rare exceptions of the guy who pampered his car!!! Minnesota is RUST capital of the state the USA 🇺🇲 as they like dumping salt 🧂 all over their roads as well during the winter ❄️ 🥶 months!!! Do your research!!! Don't believe car salesman's, auctioneer's or MOST private partie's either way about anything you buy either way! If you don't know what too look for great if you don't have your trusted mechanic do it not their's because they will lie through their teeth!!!
Just picked up a 2011 P7B with 148k on the clock for $1800 and it's in excellent shape. I got lucky. Going to get a cheapo maaco paint job as this one is black with white doors and hood/truck and I want that stealth look. Might copy your grey color. Looks great!
I've owned 5, still have 2 ('04 & '10 cvpi's) and bidding on an '05 with 91,000 miles. These cars will get you where you wanna go, regardless if they're falling apart or not. They're extremely resilient, easy to work on and many affordable aftermarket parts.
You are wrong about the rear axle shafts wearing evenly. The driver's side always wears a groove into the shaft near the bearing, long before the passenger's side. Just rebuilt my 2010 cvpi's rear. Still got me across country before I began the repair.
Don't get me wrong they have a lot of little issues. But I beat the crap out of mine. And I still would be ok driving it cross country no problem. I might get a 2nd one if I can find a decent one for cheap. (Which is hard to do.) I got mine in 2019? Only cost me $1300 it was no show car but what people are asking right now is outrageous. I probably could get close to $4k out of it.
If the car has the open rear axle, it's the passenger side axle that always goes first, due to that being the wheel that gets the power from the engine.
Thanks for the info even tho I’m late lol I’m looking and thinking about a second Vic. Prolly after I get the fuel pump swap 🤦🏻
I just bought at auction for $1300.00 my "new" 2007 P7. 197,000 miles, no codes, and almost new Goodyear Eagles, runs and drives great. It was an Elmore County Idaho Sheriff's car.
#1 was right on the money. I'm currently replacing my 2011 P71 intake manifold with the Ford Performance version from Summit Racing. I've heard nothing but bad things about the Dorman.
i bought the only crown vic on fb for 2750 a month ago. it has a bad pinion bearing but even if i were to have ford do the job im still up. i havent seen one for less than 4800 for sale since. so glad i found this one when i did got my last 2 in 2017 for 1k each
just got an 09 detectives unit clean and no issues thus far...did about 600 worth of maintenance when i got her--swapped to a black honey grille...good video will keep a lookout for these issues...intake manny might need attention soon at 127k
I have owned several Panther cars (seven I believe) during the past 30+ years. I have been a municipal fleet services mechanic for 41 years and retired last year. Crown Vics were by far the most reliable vehicle I ever worked on. I currently own a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis with 238,000 miles, and a recently purchased 2007 Mercury Grand Marquis with 36,000 miles. It is in absolutely mint condition, and I paid $9000 for it. It was worth every penny and more. I have replaced many intake manifolds, but have only had to replace one on one of my own cars. I believe prolonged idling contributes to intake manifold failure.
As for the blend door actuator, I've had three fail on my own cars. I have never replaced one on a city owned car, the job just takes too much time, so they were sent out to a private shop. I live in the Phoenix, AZ area, where we don't need heat, so I never replaced one on my own cars as well. You can remove the glove box, passenger side airbag, and the duct to the far right air vent, make a chisel out of a two foot long piece of rebar, stick it through the air bag opening, and break off all three of the little tabs that hold it in place, and it will drop down, where you can remove the wires from it, and take it out. Then you can jam a piece of wood or something similar between the little arm on the blend door and the ductwork case, and jam it into either the full A/C or full heat position. I put mine in the full A/C position, so I have A/C but no heat. It's a $1000+ job to have it replaced at a shop, because the entire dash has to come out, and it will just fail again. I no longer turn the heat on in my current cars, to prevent the blend door actuators from stripping out.
I have seen a couple of odometers fail, but it's not actually the odometers that fail, it's the LEDs and/or the brightness switch. The rotary knob that controls the brightness of the dash lights tends to fail. That switch has partially failed on both my cars. The odometers still work, but I don't actually have to have them. I use a GPS unit, and the fuel gauges don't fail. Yes a failed odometer will affect resale value, but I have no intention of selling either one of my cars as long as they are repairable within reason. I plan to drive them for the rest of my life. If you have an odometer fail, notice if any other green dash lights also failed. If they did, try replacing the rotary dash light dimmer control first.
I have never seen a rear axle fail on a Panther car, and I've seen them with over 400,000 miles with no major repairs. Since I drive Grand Marquis instead of Crown Vics, if I ever need to replace my rear axle, I'll have to make sure I find one with the 2.73 final drive gearing. These axles are plentiful, and can easily be rebuilt, so you are probably better off having one rebuilt than getting one from a junkyard that may not last long. I strongly suggest changing the rear axle fluid every 30,000 miles.
I have never seen a problem with gas tanks rusting or steering issues on 2003 and newer models. I live in southern AZ, where things just do not rust. Neither one of my cars have even surface rust anywhere on them, including underneath.
There is one problem not mentioned that WILL happen on ALL Panther cars that have rear air suspension. The air bags will eventually leak, and the rear of the car will be sitting almost on the ground. The air bags are somewhat expensive to replace, I have replaced them with coil springs on a couple of my cars with coil springs, which only cost around $200, if you do it yourself, and it is a permanent fix. It does not affect the ride or handling.
Many of the things mentioned are far more likely to happen on an ex police car than a civilian Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, or Lincoln Town car. As for whether these cars are still worth buying, ABSOLUTELY. I wouldn't even consider buying a new car with all their TRASH technology and insane prices. I just paid $9000 cash for a 2007 Mercury Grand Marquis with 36,000 miles on it from an elderly couple who were the original owners. It had a clean Carfax, and they had a huge stack of maintenance receipts for it. I was a mechanic for 41 years, and I gave the car a good going over. I expect this car to last the rest of my life. This is the car I want to drive. There is no new vehicle out there that I have any desire to own or drive. Millions of these cars were made, and both new and used parts are plentiful, and most of them are cheap. Also, for a mechanically inclined person, these cars are simple enough that things can easily be rigged, like I did with my blend door actuator. With proper maintenance they tend to last well past 300,000 miles. There is a video on TH-cam where a guy had one that lasted a MILLION miles, with its original engine, transmission, and rear axle. Would you rather pay under $10,000 for a nice low mileage Panther car, or $50,000 for a new car that will be lucky to last 100,000 miles?
I easily get 30+ mpg on the highway in my Grand Marquis, with its automatic overdrive, cruise control, and 2.73 rear axle. I wouldn't buy a junker unless you bare a mechanic and have a large supply of parts and parts cars, but a decent one can still be kept going for 20+ years for a whole lot less than buying a POS new car that is designed to be disposable.
Dealerships are such a scam. Especially the Ford ones they overcharge WAY to much for any work like that
Very helpful, thank you
I just bought a 2005 Crown Vick Intecepter 140 thousand miles .It's very clean runs really great .I've only had it two weeks . It took me two years to find an interceptor . Four thousand dollars best money I ever spent .
Why would you buy a Toyota ???? Ford all the way !!!!
The 2005 was a transition year, and there are two different ones - earlier ones use 28 count spline axles (as with anything before 2005), and later ones (from Dec 7, 2004) have 31 spline axles and an improved electrical system. They're all good and the later ones are better - mine has a June 28, 2005 born on date and many of the factory installed parts have 2006 MY part numbers on it. A lot of people hate on this year due to a DBW issue that was resolved one month into the MY (drive by wire, brand new on this car in 2005), along with that passenger side quarter panel antenna but I happen to like that, and my '05 is bar none the best car I've ever owned. I do think the newer model years (2008+) lack in build quality next to these older ones.
Good info! Thanks!
I bought a nice 2011 from a dealer and found that the climate door and the radiator fan control were broken. As I was getting pissed I remembered the 30-day warranty sticker on the window. So the issues were fixed for free! They would not fix the rear window defrost because it was not covered under drivetrain warranty. I had the rear window replaced for about $200, that solved the issue. The trunk was leaking, but when I had a new trunk kock assembly installed, it stopped leaking.
I just love the way they look 😍
I had a Crown Victoria a few years back. It smelled gasoline whenever I drove it, but I loved that car and would get another one.
I rap on the odo with my fist to bring it back on. This summer I’ll reflow the solder connections.
I pulled the dash out to fix the hvac mode door hinge ( zip ties). PTFE grease on the blend door gears while there. Finished it as the first snow of 2020/21 fell.
My 2011 has 99,000 miles and around 2,500 idle hours so I hope that my intake don’t crack
Great points in the video man, also I love that colour do you know the paint code I wanna paint mine that
P2! I think it was only available until 2008.
@@flyer2359x hm thanks man id love to at least try and match it. You almost never see grey vics around here where I am
@@vegascvpiaaron6807 its midnight grey factory ford color. i have a 04 LX sport same color. google color option for 04 LX sport
You forgot to mention the overdue gorse out another.
I do non-emergency medical transportation, and the company I work for uses nothing but these cars, and out of the 6 we have on the road, we are down to 2 cars with overdrive left.
1 car has gone through 3 transmissions but still has a strong engine, even at 365K + miles.
My only problem so far is the odometer and parking interlocking relay. But over all very dependable car
Forgot transmission and differential as well and the window wiper motor
Worth it? Of course: It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
I got one 2011 113miles took it thru the automatic washer it stop at the end time I get ready go out I wonder did the water wet the computer need help
I have a 1998 LX. I love it 118000 miles. I often wonder how long it will last.
If not in the rust belt, a long long time.
can l put a 2011 P7B in a 2003 P71? engine gone and 2011 body totald!
I have 2011 P7B SAP with 111k miles for sale.
I want to buy one so bad, but most crown vics that are already in the Netherlands are beat up
I remember hearing the "Gas Tank" issue was more of a rarity and it was only an issue on earlier models between 2000 to 2002 if I remember. Correct me if I'm wrong Idk.
Nah it's 100% an issue on newer models. O had to replace my former 07 silver lx tank at 10 years old and wasn't uncommon to see cruisers at auction with them rusted out or freshly replaced.
The gas tank strap bolts and nuts are one time use from factory good luck finding one or a set at parts store I had to fashion a strap extender and rig a bolt a simple hour job took 8 hours
my 2001 is the same color 100,.000 miles put almost 3,000 miles on it got it at auction for 1.500.00 is that mineral grey✌✌✌
My 2001 CVPI was $3100 + buyer's premium with 79K on it, purchased in 2000. It was my town's chief's car. A little ratty and needs paint/body work, but seems mechanically good and drives like a cat. Yes, it reminds me of a big black cat-- lithe and powerful.
How does a grand marquis or town car or even a regular crown vic, compare to the the P71 in terms of reliability??
Pretty much the same. Theoretically a cream puff and well kept civilian model wouldn't have seen a bunch of 0-60s, idling etc and as long as it was maintained should technically speaking be better than most P71s, but it isn't always true.
Just had to replace my tank last week....blew a leak in my driveway - what a mess it was.
Yep!
Ford Crown Victoria Police carro 2010 2022
Can you buy one in 2022
I have a 2011 P7B 170 miles for 4k$
Do you think I'll be able to get a Crown Vic next spring?
Don't see why not. Just don't expect it to be easy to find a super clean one overly easy at a decent price. It is getting harder and harder to find them as time goes on.
If you go to www.carfax.com you can search them out in your area. If you go the dealer route.
Keep raising the price on these
Better be flawless cause I ain't buying a overpriced rutty beater Crown Victoria interceptor that's been neglected and beat too f#ck and rusted AF! Their are lots of overpriced ones that people want ridiculous prices for that aren't even the rare ones and or immaculate!!!
Lets not overlook the fuel pump. It is conveniently located in the gasoline tank, that's right an electric fuel
pump in the gas tank. I've had two CV's with bad pumps. Costly job. The tank has to be dropped and if you
just filled it up, oh well. $$$$$
Leaking gas tank straps night mare
Can I buy that car?
Half the crown vics were manufactured in Canada what you mean you can't get odometer done lol
shit happens .. my 04 town car 132000 miles no.issues
Coyote Victoria?
europe moment, crown vic aint no thing