The Mostly New Creality K1C - What's changed and is it better?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2024
- This is the K1C from Creality. It's new, but most of it isn't. Let's see what's what.
Addendum: I also noted that there's a rubber strip on the door hinge to help stop air getting past the gap in the glass on the K1C.
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Note: The K1C was provided by Creality for the review.
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tech data: to follow
The Creality K1C was provided at no cost for my tests.
cant wait for the k1c s1 v2 neo max 10 in like a year
That one already came out
People in the community call the K1C the “K1China” because of how the first units performed 😂
A year? Give it a month..
Need to add, Pro edition + extra spools and plate edition - Pro
K2 in 2 months
X1 carbon
K1 carbon
Very creative name for a company with the word "CREAtive" in it
Creating the name of 'creality' already used up all their crealities.
The thing is Bambu (X1) has carbon in the name so Creality wanted to have that too
It is so weird that creality does not create anything, they even need to copy the names from other company.
8:38 christ!!! thats an impressive lens, can't wait for those vids.
It seems good overall. I think I'd go with a Qidi X-Plus 3 or Flashforge Adventurer 5M right now though TBH. This still has a few improvements to be made, but I gope like the next Max version is even better. Looking forward to the next nozzle video!
I seriously cannot wait to get my K1C. My v3 has been an absolute beast.
This will be my first CORE XY!
Already got the bed slingers down and core xz so this the next go to!
I wish they would stick lidar on the k1c!
Bravo, Maestro!
K1 Max rocks. It rocks back and forward and all over the place at high speeds. I like it.
Would like to see more standardization of the quick change nozzles - everybody seems to want to do their own proprietary thing, with varying levels of success. Annoyingly enough, most of them are actually from E3D yet instead of licensing the Revo they still go proprietary.
My K1 has a set screw on the other side of that heatsink, right where your arrow pointed. Did they remove that on the K1C?
yes, in the interest of quick changing. At least I think so, I didn't do a complete tear down, but nothing holds the nozzle in.
Off topic, but have you ever tested extruding filament widths smaller than your nozzle diameter? I remember you had success printing thicker, but I'm curious if you tried smaller (say .2 wide extrusions with a .4 nozzle)?
Yes I have - there's a video coming up on it (kinda, it turned into a general vid about printing small things) soon.
@@LostInTech3D that's awesome, looking forward to it now 👍.
When providing a review sample, is it normal for them to ask you to Paypal the shipping fee?
Seems like a scam to me, but if you could share your experiences that would be great, thanks!
that's a known scam - do not engage. Creality are also on new year holiday so they wouldn't be contacting you right now anyway, but yeah the review scam is a common one on facebook.
Hey, the reason for the Nextruder having grub screws is that the heat block is not fixed, unlike on the K1C where it is, so it doesn't need them.
Hmm.
the side bracket is nice, will it fit on the max? where can i find it
it was on the machine. Hmm. I can't find it anywhere. I will ask them but theyre on holiday for new year.
I am still waiting for the Ender 5 Plus S1, but it seems they are not doing that yet. K1 and K1C seems to be only the Camera being the difference. Maybe some slight incremental changes, aside from the extruder, which they have updated the Extruder like they have on all the other printers. The Sprite style extruder is really quite good for an economical printer, and even though the K1 is not as cheap as Ender series, they are still economical compared to many other printers of similar style. Creality have really come a long way with extruder design in the last 12 to 18 months
Do you think there will be an upgrade path so that the Unicorn nozzle can be used on the K1 and K1Max?
I'd like to see one. I'll ask, but I've seen no indication at the moment. For now I'd say just get a hardened nozzle, they're available for K1 series.
@@LostInTech3DI suppose the heat sink would have to be replace too and does this nozzle go all the way up to the extruder with no Bowden tube?
what I'm saying is theres no imperative to use that nozzle, if a hardened one exists.
As far as to why their included models look so good. I've studied the gcode for the Benchy that came with my K1 Max because at first I couldn't figure out why it was coming out so much cleaner than when I sliced it. They basically went through every line of gcode with a comb and there's a ton of adjustments that you wouldn't normally find in a standard sliced file. The hand-crafted gcode files that came with the printer are meant to showcase the printer's abilities, but it doesn't mean that you'll be getting those same results with your standard slicer profiles.
Huh, really. I'm surprised they would do that but it makes sense.
That said, other companies have done it: prusa's bonkers benchy being the prime example.
where can I find the fleur-di-lis vase model file at 12:57 ?
www.printables.com/model/341793-fleur-ripple-vase
❤ root access 😎
Do I see correctly that they use toothless idler pulleys for the belts? I thought that's considered bad practice because the belts rattle over them instead of running smoothly. Isn't that correct anymore?
It’s not as big a deal as people make it out to be, but ya it does cause the belts to deform in a weird way around the idler.
The internet is full of opinions...that one rings a bell, but pretty sure Vorons dont have teeth either.
More because it smoothes the thoothing overtime.
@@LostInTech3D They do for what that’s worth. I got one sitting in my rec room. I don’t think the vast majority of people would be able to spot the difference in the final print.
on a K1C though? :D
Hello, what is the best to buy new. K1c or k1 Max? I like the large bed but I don’t know if tecnology on k1c is better. I read that extruder is the same now on all K. Best regards
K1 max. Definitely.
@@LostInTech3D wow thanks. I'm asking that on diferent sites and nobody can't answer. Is true that K1 Max newer models and K1c have the same hardware? Best regards
This is creality K1C and it comes pre-deformed-and-un-square-with-no-tight-nuts to you region!
I hate that they won't just call it the K2
Would you suggest the k1c or the flashforge 5m pro?
They are the sane price for me.
I don't have the flashforge so that's a hard one to answer
@LostInTech3D oh okay. Thanks for replying.
So nothing here you can’t get on the k1?
For best results, do not force the printed piece of the bed plate. It is best to let them both cool down together and the piece will release itself from the bed and not leave resin/plastic marks on the bed and also keep the printed item flatter or the original shape.
Creality obsoleting a printer model? History tells us that this is highly unlikely...for every Ender 4, OG Ender 2, CR-7, and CR-8 that got retired, they have at least four or five different versions of the Ender 3. And that's not really a joke or exaggeration, either, they still sell OG Ender 3s despite there being absolutely no reason to do so even for tinkerers as long as the Ender 3 Pro exists.
What is a fair price for the regular K1? I can get it for $390 but the fact they basically steal firmware then lock it away with proprietary hardware I don't think it's worth it.
Can anyone share the files included? I quite like the side spools and things it come with 😅
I havent been able to find the STLs yet!
Still plodding along with my 'improved' Ender 3 here :( Haven't done anything to it other than print stuff for at least a year now. One of these new machines would be nice, but I simply don't have the need, to justify the cost.
Apart from the amazing marketing Bambu does, nothing really justifies the upgrade. But man, they managed to convince (as in, pay off) so many youtubers to convince us that paying 5x for a printer (that does the same as any other printer does these days) is the best idea. Isn't that something?
I have to say, for my first printer, I am spoiled to have a Bambu P1S with AMS. I'm using PLA and ASA, including their lightweight versions. Printing single-wall RC plane wings or thick ASA RC boat hulls for a 30" tug. Rarely a failed print. Done some multi-colored prints - that is cool on occasion. The printer with AMS was expensive at 850 bucks, but if it stays running a while, I'm happy. Even the AMS is a great convenience and it all works good, out of the box. At least for me and my boy. Nice to have four spools loaded and ready, even to continue a print when one runs out. But yes, a cheap printer can print just as well with some filaments.
If the gcode file is a twxt file and not a binary gcode you might be able to open it in a text editor to see what their settings are.
Sadly doesn't quite work like that
Is anyone gonna talk about the build volume text on the bed.. is it correct notation?
“220x220x250mm3”
Surely 220x220x250 is already cubed and the way they have wrote it means 220x220x250 220x220x250 220x220x250?!
Yeah I think it can go a little larger but it's correct
Idk why there having the filters exhaust out the back its just blowing the fumes out the filter isn't gonna filter all the fumes it just makes soo much more sense to have it recirculating
1. yes
2. eh, yes. I mean, when you're printing ABS etc, the fan is off, the filter ain't doing anything.
At some point I plan to poke around in nevermore stuff. When I get chance.
@@LostInTech3D that would be cool
They said lidar was optional for the k1...it's been almost a year and no lidar
Good point
@LostInTech3D also looking at the website if you scroll down to the specs of each respective machine the k1 lists optional lidar while the k1c does not
had a talk with creality about the lidar I will quote them rigth now "There is currently no adaptation plan for K1" so yea lets wait a other year and hope for the best
@@koetjeboe91ph so just false advertising then huh
k1 Max C you just gave yugioh players ptsd flashbacks lol but loved the vid man
on my K1 Max i've never seen the Lidar being used :O
My K1 Max doesn't have filter either
DECENT CF filament is very very good. Cheap CF filament is very very bad. I highly recommend Atomic CF products. They allowed me to make parts that were otherwise unusable (knobs on medical devices for example that saw a lot of abuse and would break easily, clips that had only 2 layers whilst have extremely high mechanical loads with a large spring.
I like trains
OK. I declare that all fast printers must be accompanied by Vivaldi.
Or maybe Flight of the Bumblebee.
ohhh that one next time :)
wish they could simplify their lineup
Wait. They are so aware that side mounted spool holders are preferable to rear mounted that they actually include a side mounted holder print with their printer.... but still left the crappy rear mounted holder on the machine. 🙄
From purely a print quality point of view, which one comes on top? P1S, K1C, x-max 3?
Also, I compared a technical part printed with a X1C Vs other, much older and slower printers and I noticed the X1C visibly smoothes the sharp corners. I was using the "strength" profile with acceleration 10 000, Orca Slicer.
Yeah - bambu visibly looks way ahead of everyone else when held up to the camera, but each firmware has its own strengths. Klipper is fast, marlin is probably the most accurate if you don't push it. Would make an interesting video. The K1C and other K1s probably could do with some tuning and a slower profile for engineering type printing. I might look into that.
Did you shoot this content thanks to a sponsorship agreement? Did Creality give you this printer for free or did they pay you to shoot this video?
maybe they could change "all metal" to "all metal filament path". i think i've seen that kind of wording somewhere before
maybe that's what they were aiming for, it makes sense
3:58 ashes to ashes, balcony to floor
Try putting the eyes under the Creality logo on the print head. Makes the logo look like an eyebrow and the part cooling fan look like a mouth. 😂
hahaha yep I will get on that
13:10 😅
I wonder which other Chinese manufacturers are going to make clones with '1C' suffixes. A shame they do this, and very unimaginative.
Anker already did a c 💪
I was under the impression the original one had a hardened nozzle, so I just don't get the carbon moniker. I think it's just trying to capitalize on Bambu labs success and brand recognition
It's not, but they sell a box of 5 or so nozzles that are hardened for about £35
@LostInTech3D just checked K1 max ships with hardened steel nozzle aa standard and is advertised in marketing material as carbon fiber material compatible. I jave also printed a few prints with Form Futura carbonfil with no issues using standard nozzle with no wear issues. My problem is the sharp angle of PTFE tube keeps breaking filament
For a proper CF machine, you need hardened steel gears in the extruder.
8:48 Gigity!
surprised that took this long heh
I’ll take my regular k1 that just uses v6 nozzles… I can buy cheap Ali express nozzles that way
theyre actually official creality...stay tuned, I'm gonna stick a camera in them :)
wdym they are official creality? the threads and length match my cheap cht nozzles lol.
For the price they are asking I would choose either a P1P or P1S.
P1 series has VFA's and K1C doesn't anymore ;)
. K1c still has vfas just look at other reviews.
On my K1 I could massively reduce VFAs by tuning pressure advance in Orca slicer. I reliably printed all the parts for my two Voron machines on it and they work and look great.
well yes the operative word is improved - no machine has no VFAs.
It's a $150 difference right now between the k1c and p1s. Based on my k1 experience I would buy the p1s. Creality support is poor, the app is horrible and machine quality is also poor. We are also only 8 months out from the k1 launch and have a new version that has drastic changes. So who knows what is coming from them in 8 months and what support these printers get as more new versions come out. Will the k1 still get firmware support in 8 months if a k1c super duper edition releases with yet another new extruder and hot end and who knows what else
I've owned two Crealitys and have about 15 benchy boats and that's it. Every other print fails.
My k1 max is a total dumpster fire. It's going back.
I feel like the name change is just to stop people associating the regular updated K1 with the shitty first version
still has plastic gears in the extruder, ridiculous.
Not very impressed with the new nozzle, plus you can’t even get a spare nozzle as there is no inventory. Great way to launch a printer.
Tbh most printers are shipped without spare nozzles. They'll be available in a month or so I guess.
God, Timestamps
you're welcome I guess? ;)
Nice intro! 🔥
Are people here using glue on the included build plate? creality is claiming you need to..
I do.
@@LostInTech3DThanks! have you tested it without Glue? and is it still working good after this review?
Your intro destroyed my ears