I used to think I was crazy when driving the cup car. After an hour of fighting things, id think to myself "theres no way an AM driver would want to race this in real life if it was this difficult"
It’s way more difficult to drive the cup car on iRacing compared to the real one in terms of pure surviving. But going fast in real life is a whole different topic… going fast in a cup car is always on the limit.
That’s half the cars. My friend drives in the MX5 series IRL and told me the real cars don’t wash out as easily and take a lot of contact before being murdered. They ram into each other all the time with out issue but in iRacing you die with any contact in a corner
@@mrmidnight32I keep saying this and r/iracing hates me for it. Iracing in general is so much harder than racing in real life. Most of the cars are 1.5-3x more difficult to drive than in real life. As a sim, it is immensely disappointing.
ironic my father said the same thing… pro am driver for the 991 cup car… he got on and said the same; the front end is non existent the rear doesn’t feel connected to the rest of the car once you do get a slight feel and i shit you not said it felt like driving on a cloud I honestly feel exactly the same however I’ve never driven the cup car I have driven spec Miata’s and I can say the Miata’s feels really good for the most part, but again the rear end feels like it’s completely detached, it is actually fairly easy to catch quite the drastic slide in a Miata, however in iracing I lose the rear end and spin into like 10 donuts the second I start driving with some confidence like I do irl… It’s a shame bc the tracks, ffb and even most of the chassis feels really good, it’s just the rear end and the slip angle of the tires really just takes the fun out for me…. I’m someone who would intentionally overdrive the car and be like .25 second slower a lap just bc it’s fun,,, but in iracing if I do that I end up in a Barrier and a broken wrist lol…
Awesome video! Between your simucube profiles and validating my experience with the cup car I can’t wait to try this out! Thanks again Daniel, great job on your Daytona win this season!
Keep it coming! I think the 992 cup car is much more manageable than the previous 991 cup car, however as you say it is still very unconnected and difficult to drive. Iracing needs constant criticism with good intention, so that the game keeps improving!
I have driven this a bunch and it was a huge difference from the current state of iRacings offerings. It was responsive and fun to drive. You could really push the car and feel when you were overdoing it. It was easy to comprehend what was going on when you'd overdo something too.
It’s just so much fun to drive. You can be really aggressive, but if you go over the limit, the consequences are drastic. It’s just like real life where you can be aggressive with the car but the moment you push it over the limit, it bites.
While the pcup in iracing might not feel like the real thing as you say, I have had an absolute blast with it. The car has taught me so much about proper throttle control, weight transfer(getting the weight over the front axle to get that grip needed) and how a car rotates under throttle. It has reinforced the concept of steering with the pedals. And the racing is hard and close. Very fun and super rewarding.
Your suggestion on splitting the class that have the 2 flavour of the Porsche cup car is spot on. iRacing should really consider it. And i'm sure, it may boost the sales since more people may actually buy it and race on it. 👍
yes, in my opinion fun to drive. Way more difficult to spin or lock up the tires - but has an extreme understeer and just does not want to turn in if youre on the throttle even 5%.
@@MashMashine123 You just don't know how to 'cook it', mate. Lower the wing to ~7, rise the rear end to at least 90mm. You have to feel how rake works with this car. Squeeze as much healthy rotation as you can, while tyre grip is in 100-90% range. Approx. 1-2 laps. Add more wing for a race, to keep rear away from excessive rotation and manage to finish a 30 min race safely. Here you need to fight with car's provocations to rotate it. For your success at long distance. All this 'play' is a pinnacle of GT3 Cup in rFactor 2.
@@simstation1122 Thanks for the tips but at the end of the day 90% of simracers just use the base setup or, in case for iracing, just buy them and dont bother. What i said is true for the base setup. If you say it may be different after you meddle with it thats nice - but the (base) car still has this characteristic. That being said i still think its fun to drive
First of all, i'm not a IRL driver. I bought the new p cup some weeks ago for the 6hrs of Nec, and i don't know if it's just because it's harder to drive than the gt3s or other cars, i found it lovely to learn how to drive. The brakes are so light and the throttle so responsive. I'm really in love with that. I'm not disappointed about u not liking it, and i take your word for it. U are the IRL driver. I might be the only one to love it Btw i have a fanatec do pro base and v3 pedals, so i just can tell about my experience... never tried with other gear. THanks for sharing your two cents.
Thanks we love this kind of feedback. As real as possible is what I’m looking for because I am not in real cars. Thanks for you contribution to our hobby!
I feel this whole video just summed up my frustration with so many sim titles. They’ll nail one aspect like tires but then the brakes are the equivalent of using a pillow as the brake pedal.
I tried this and the car feels great with 250kg added 😮 very easy to drive and super fun to play with. I don't find the 992 Cup car hard to drive in iRacing but this feels like a great alternative and if this is really how the Cup car drives irl that's amazing. Maybe my superior VRS wheel base makes the 992 Cup easy 😅. it's definitely to slippy after a slide and that is not an issue with the GT3 R. Fantastic feeling and i'll be test driving this on Nurburgring alot now, thanks Daniel!
Thankyou for bringing this up, I always thought it was just me. I don't like driving it on iracing. We all need to send this in and hopefully they will fix it. Keep it up mate
The rF2 992 cup is meant to be the gold standard in realism. I don't know how realistic it is, but it's definitely far more fun to drive. Though it has a thing where it turns in very well when coasting or trail braking. But it almost wants to go straight when on the throttle. Don't know if you could dial that out with setup. Or even if that's what they're like IRL.
They already made a big overhaul this season so I can't see them coming back to it in the next couple years. I really want to love this car but it doesn't even drive like a car on earth to me. And ignoring lack of realism, I don't find it fun to drive.
Hey Daniel, thanks for sharing this mod. It's people like you that make the biggest difference for a community by providing something as close as possible to the real thing with the IRL experience you have.
I love this video and appreciate it, Daniel. I don't think the point of the 992 Cup car is to mimic real life. I think it has a well deserved reputation for being one of the hardest cars to drive. If you can master that "numb" boat of a car that tries to kill you on entry and exit, and locks up when you stare too hard at the brake pedal, you can jump in almost any other car and push it to the limit much more quickly.
I 100% agree. I tried porsche cup on spa all week and it was the most frustrating driving I ever had. When you even brake past 25% the front immediately locks up. When you give just 5% too much throttle in a turn you spin out of control with no way of salvaging it.
I hear you. It’s hard to jump in this car coming from almost any other car until you re adjust. Have to be very smooth on the brakes, then can add a bunch of pressure. It’ll never brake like an ABS car though.
It’s a great car to challenge the drivers skill and Porsche puts money into it so it’s actually a very good thing for the sim industry and drivers. It’s nice to see sim professionals getting paid for their hard work and skill.
I have always said that it's pointless to have so many different GT classes. My argument was that you can achieve bigger difference in handling through setup changes than there is between the different GT classes. Thanks for proving me right.
I really worked with the Cup Porsche and what I think I like about it, is it really improved braking and driving finesse for me. I can now warm the tires up and really turn fast, competitive times. I agree though that the brake bias is sensitive and the front end floats. The 992 is a bit better. I will try your setup. Thanks.
I thought I'd post this in the iRacing forum as a topic of conversation (I agree with all your points) - the argument there is you are completly wrong based on the fact that Laurin Heinrich and Jeff Giassi helped develop the iRacing version. Whilst that is good info to know the problem is this car seems to drive like no other version in any other sim ever. So either iRacings is right or everyone elses is wrong.
I can easily battle for top-5 on any iRacing split-1 lobby. But I just can’t get my brain to drive this car. Everytime I try this car, I either crash it or I am dead last on my split (and also 2-3 splits under). As, you said : no fun at all. This car is broke in iRacing (and it was my favorite car when driving on ACC). Thanks for the video, hope iRacing is listening.
Someone did this a while ago with the legacy Z4 to replicate the V8 supercars better, also fully agree with the need to underdrive the cars massively on iracing
I soften up all the cars in the front for front dive, tighten the sway bar on the front ,soften the rear, shocks soften a little bit but I like a soft car that has some roll , I rallied a Morris minor Ford escort and a Vauxhall chevette which all realistically pre-80 cars which which had roll and dive , I'm going to have a look on discord as I think the Porsche is way too twitchy, I didn't think about increasing the weight though. but makes sense
I love the challenge of the cup car. My favourite in the game. Adding ABS would ruin it for me. But having more feel on the front, I agree would be nice.
While I do want things to be as realistic as possible in the sim, I will say that, just like with the Skip Barber, I feel like my time with the iRacing Cup car has made me a MUCH better driver.
I would say, to me, the cup car is fun because it feels like I'm driving a superbike. Because you need to trail brake for a long long while to get the car to turn in. The rhythm is really close.
Hello Daniel, I compete in IRACING with GT3 cars in both IMSA and GT Sprint and the damage seems very sensitive to me since at the slightest contact the cars break and you lose 1 second or more per lap. I watch real GT3 races and the cars often have contacts, even strong ones, and they don't break. In iracing you make that contact and it tears like a piece of paper.
As a Porsche fan, and strictly driving the Porsche gt3 - I was always disappointed in myself when I hop in the cup car. I have never had a good race where I felt satisfied with the result/had a blast driving the car. So glad it isn’t just me & I hope iracing fixes the car soon!!
Me too. I have always been available to help if they’re interested. I just want the best for this game as I see it having the most potential. I ultimately enjoy myself on iRacing the most, overall out of all the other games.
Off topic, but I'm genuinely curious what you would think with the RSS GT3 cars for assetto corsa. They've had to do a workaround on braking because AC braking is so sticky, so they allow 115% braking (otherwise you can just 100% the brakes all the time and never lock up). The physics they're creating in content manager/custom shaders patch (which ironically isn't just a shader patch its the new physics system on top of AC physics) is really good too. Braking aside, I'd be curious what you think overall. Side bonus, RSS audio is so incredible it's the only replays where I just sit and watch for lengths at a time.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. I have laps in all cups from 996-992 and while they are some of my favorite cars IRL I totally concur on your statements. It would be great to get some Morad spec GT3R leagues going. I really feel it is Iracing underlying tire model that lets this sim down. You can’t hustle a car like you can IRL at all. I just got done with an endurance race in our cayman clubsport and we decided to double stint Hankooks to try to gain track position. It was a bad choice and dry painful for me in the last hour of the race…. All I was thinking is this is what all of Iracings tires feel like all the time. Hopefully they can sort that because that will make it unbeatable for me.
nice, can't wait to try this, i have some nerve issues to take care of, won't be on my rig anytime before 2-3 months. will definitely try that first thing
i drove the 991.1 cup car in real life and i practiced on iracing non stop at vln nurburgring using the same cup car and it helped me tremendously in setting a lap record on old slick at dream racing and to be honest i don’t find it difficult at all because im so used to driving super formula on iracing and i find the car very grippy and it’s funny that a pro driver says that a cup car on iracing is difficult when a sim racer like me finds the car very grippy. so that would mean that i would do well in the real life cup car right?
Super cool video! I was wondering if you've ever driven the cup car in acc? I've driven both the iracing and acc car, and what you were describing, I feel as if it is almost a middle zone between iracing, and what you've made. Of course that's just a hypothesis, but I'd like to know what you think!
I need to try it. I’ve heard that the excessive slip angle makes it a little unrealistic, but I don’t want to have any judgements until I try it for myself. I was actually surprised, pleasantly by LMU so I’m sure it could be great.
Might be a little unrealist but is the iracing is realisitc too? U can feel connected to the road with the rf2’s Pcup, have a lot of feedbacks and enjoy it quickly, can’t wait to see a video about it ❤
Interesting to me that you were often applying 100% brake pressure in the modified GT3R. In recent 992 Cup onboards I've seen that feature telemetry (these cars did not have ABS), they were most commonly braking around 50 to 60% pressure, like iRacing's 992 also likes. Is this difference because the 992 Cup you drove IRL had ABS? If so, you were also braking with 100% brake pressure in that car? Thanks!
Great idea to attack the 992 cup car this way. I also find the iRacing version of it extremely frustrating to drive - I was wondering whether that's really the way these things drive?? I'm glad to hear they are a lot better in real life 🙂
I am so confused about the braking lol (acc main). Thought you shouldnt go to 100% brakes or rely on the ABS that much. So, should you just stay on high pressure for a moment on heavy braking zones? (sometimes it looked you stayed on 100% for a second)
It’s because I set the brake pads to low friction so you can push a lot of pressure. In ACC, I have no issue with “100% pressure”, but I actually find that the duration and cadence of the brake release is incorrect.
@@danielmorad thank you very much, I think I have it much more clearer. In your opinion, should I try to have a good braking technique in ACC (not always going to 100%, threshold braking with ABS, etc) or should I just stick with the 100% and realease fast once you start to turn in.
My friend Pcup Driver (driver Supercup 2024 in CLRT team) give me the same feeling on the brake : IRL you can push hard on the pedal, specially in big braking zone… On the traction, I dont know but often i think that car spin too easily.. I go try yours seetings cause i love that car by the way. Nice to see you keep that kind of video about iracing and simracing. Next vid : difference btw iracing AMG and the real ? You pass a lit time in it at SPA non? Bad for the DNF but that team was strong. Keep pushing.
Amazing video! Just wanted to know if set up my simrig with ur explanation. And now I see ur sitting really close to the wheel no? Looks like ur arms hit ur body and get a bit tangled when turning hard. Or is it just the angle of camera. Im struggling with distance for my wheel.
Hey Daniel, so listening to what you said, I feel like the Cadillac CTS-V in iRacing seems to be close to how you describe the Pcup. You can actually feel the front axle doing its job and once on the gas the rear end just sticks to the ground. The car feels super light though, but I'm curious to know your opinion of that car compared to the iRacing pcup?
2:27 I’ve been racing the V8 Supercar a lot this season and I’ve recently been feeling this a lot. It’s so unforgiving and easy to pinch a tire. You really have to underdrive the car. I’d love for an IRL Supercar driver to weigh in if we ever get the Gen 3 Supercar.
@@rossi0nsxI was just going to mention that SVG has said before that the legacy BMW Z4 GT3 with TC disabled is a better representation of the previous gen. V8 Supercar.
@@danielmorad I gave it a go on VIR and Brands Hatch. I feel like it makes the car less likely to walk out on corner exit and gives the car a connected to the road feel with some actual steering. The cup car was understeering heavily, especially on corner exit when the rear end was connected. Took a minute to adjust to the braking difference. The 250kg definitely makes a difference there. Fun experiment! Thanks for the setup.
This is amazing Dan, I am intrigued to the point of running some tests with the thoughts of running this is the largest paid iR league in the world, have to see with the reception of moving away from the official platform though ;) Only question I have is if we can lock TC in server settings with the fixed setup unsure on that one.
Who is giving iRacing real world experience? The sim would benefit so much if they took just a bit of advice from the likes of Daniel and so forth. Gonna try it out later, thank you Daniel 😀
I actually really like running the 992 cup in ACC without abs (enjoy the challenge). Also I would give the united racing design Darche (mod) cup car in AC1 a try. Very fun.
Thanks. It’s a bit better but still so disconnected. That’s why I waited to post this. Was going to post this before the update but held out and re made the whole thing.
You sound like a Daytona USA arcade racer kind of guy lol. But in all seriousness, it’s a great game and a lot of pro drivers find the value in it. That’s why guys like Max Verstappen choose to play this sim over everything else. It is expensive but it’s worth the money for the experience.
Why is the iRacing Cup car modelling so wrong to begin with? I thought that’s why we all spent the big bucks on the iRacing platform. Because of the supposed accuracy in the modelling.
I find it astonishing that iRacing clearly doesn't consult actual drivers of cars they develop. Certainly explains a lot. And if this guy can fix the car within five minutes, why can't iRacing??
I'll give this a whirl for sure! Thanks for putting the work in, great job 😁
Thanks Dave! Looking forward to your feedback
Thank you very much for your effort. It means a lot for us "sim" drivers, who are never able to drive such a car in real life.
I’m also a sim driver. I love it and we’re all part of this together.
I used to think I was crazy when driving the cup car. After an hour of fighting things, id think to myself "theres no way an AM driver would want to race this in real life if it was this difficult"
It’s way more difficult to drive the cup car on iRacing compared to the real one in terms of pure surviving. But going fast in real life is a whole different topic… going fast in a cup car is always on the limit.
Look up Dirk Schouten he posts POV videos of racing in cup cars, a great viewing, and yes, always on the limit @@danielmorad
That’s half the cars. My friend drives in the MX5 series IRL and told me the real cars don’t wash out as easily and take a lot of contact before being murdered. They ram into each other all the time with out issue but in iRacing you die with any contact in a corner
Still love it though. But i hear ya 😊@mrmidnight32
@@mrmidnight32I keep saying this and r/iracing hates me for it. Iracing in general is so much harder than racing in real life. Most of the cars are 1.5-3x more difficult to drive than in real life. As a sim, it is immensely disappointing.
ironic my father said the same thing… pro am driver for the 991 cup car…
he got on and said the same;
the front end is non existent
the rear doesn’t feel connected to the rest of the car once you do get a slight feel
and i shit you not said it felt like driving on a cloud
I honestly feel exactly the same however I’ve never driven the cup car
I have driven spec Miata’s and I can say the Miata’s feels really good for the most part, but again the rear end feels like it’s completely detached, it is actually fairly easy to catch quite the drastic slide in a Miata, however in iracing I lose the rear end and spin into like 10 donuts the second I start driving with some confidence like I do irl…
It’s a shame bc the tracks, ffb and even most of the chassis feels really good, it’s just the rear end and the slip angle of the tires really just takes the fun out for me….
I’m someone who would intentionally overdrive the car and be like .25 second slower a lap just bc it’s fun,,, but in iracing if I do that I end up in a Barrier and a broken wrist lol…
Holy shit this makes me feel validated 😂
Ffb feels horrible to be honest. Especially compared to other sim racing titles.
What do you think about ACC?
@@ImLehwz not the most realistic.
@@shoya_dori in my opinion, iRacing has probably the best FFB
Awesome video! Between your simucube profiles and validating my experience with the cup car I can’t wait to try this out! Thanks again Daniel, great job on your Daytona win this season!
Awesome! Thank you! Appreciate the congrats.
Keep it coming! I think the 992 cup car is much more manageable than the previous 991 cup car, however as you say it is still very unconnected and difficult to drive.
Iracing needs constant criticism with good intention, so that the game keeps improving!
I totally agree! I want to see it get very good
991 was way more fun and better all round car, incl sound. it was fun, 992 is not fun, agreed.
I have driven this a bunch and it was a huge difference from the current state of iRacings offerings. It was responsive and fun to drive. You could really push the car and feel when you were overdoing it. It was easy to comprehend what was going on when you'd overdo something too.
It’s just so much fun to drive. You can be really aggressive, but if you go over the limit, the consequences are drastic. It’s just like real life where you can be aggressive with the car but the moment you push it over the limit, it bites.
While the pcup in iracing might not feel like the real thing as you say, I have had an absolute blast with it. The car has taught me so much about proper throttle control, weight transfer(getting the weight over the front axle to get that grip needed) and how a car rotates under throttle. It has reinforced the concept of steering with the pedals. And the racing is hard and close. Very fun and super rewarding.
Your suggestion on splitting the class that have the 2 flavour of the Porsche cup car is spot on. iRacing should really consider it. And i'm sure, it may boost the sales since more people may actually buy it and race on it. 👍
Absolutely. I think it’s a great idea.
I'm curious to see Daniel Morad test the 992 cup in RFactor2. One of the best cars in sim racing imo.
We shall see
The car has a lot of inertia, it feels really heavy, a bit too much in my opinion. I would appreciate the Morad’s feedback too.
yes, in my opinion fun to drive. Way more difficult to spin or lock up the tires - but has an extreme understeer and just does not want to turn in if youre on the throttle even 5%.
@@MashMashine123 You just don't know how to 'cook it', mate.
Lower the wing to ~7, rise the rear end to at least 90mm. You have to feel how rake works with this car.
Squeeze as much healthy rotation as you can, while tyre grip is in 100-90% range. Approx. 1-2 laps.
Add more wing for a race, to keep rear away from excessive rotation and manage to finish a 30 min race safely. Here you need to fight with car's provocations to rotate it. For your success at long distance.
All this 'play' is a pinnacle of GT3 Cup in rFactor 2.
@@simstation1122 Thanks for the tips but at the end of the day 90% of simracers just use the base setup or, in case for iracing, just buy them and dont bother.
What i said is true for the base setup.
If you say it may be different after you meddle with it thats nice - but the (base) car still has this characteristic.
That being said i still think its fun to drive
First of all, i'm not a IRL driver. I bought the new p cup some weeks ago for the 6hrs of Nec, and i don't know if it's just because it's harder to drive than the gt3s or other cars, i found it lovely to learn how to drive.
The brakes are so light and the throttle so responsive. I'm really in love with that. I'm not disappointed about u not liking it, and i take your word for it. U are the IRL driver. I might be the only one to love it
Btw i have a fanatec do pro base and v3 pedals, so i just can tell about my experience... never tried with other gear.
THanks for sharing your two cents.
Thanks we love this kind of feedback. As real as possible is what I’m looking for because I am not in real cars. Thanks for you contribution to our hobby!
I feel this whole video just summed up my frustration with so many sim titles. They’ll nail one aspect like tires but then the brakes are the equivalent of using a pillow as the brake pedal.
I tried this and the car feels great with 250kg added 😮 very easy to drive and super fun to play with. I don't find the 992 Cup car hard to drive in iRacing but this feels like a great alternative and if this is really how the Cup car drives irl that's amazing. Maybe my superior VRS wheel base makes the 992 Cup easy 😅.
it's definitely to slippy after a slide and that is not an issue with the GT3 R. Fantastic feeling and i'll be test driving this on Nurburgring alot now, thanks Daniel!
Thankyou for bringing this up, I always thought it was just me. I don't like driving it on iracing. We all need to send this in and hopefully they will fix it. Keep it up mate
Always hated this car & you explained why perfectly - it feels crap! iRacing needs to watch this video. 🏁👍
Hope this mod makes your experience a lot better
The rF2 992 cup is meant to be the gold standard in realism. I don't know how realistic it is, but it's definitely far more fun to drive. Though it has a thing where it turns in very well when coasting or trail braking. But it almost wants to go straight when on the throttle. Don't know if you could dial that out with setup. Or even if that's what they're like IRL.
Sounds like normal rear engine behavior to me.
Thanks for the video. I hope they fix the 992 cup. And the gt3 class "under driving" as well.
I hope so too
@@danielmorad Speaking of fixing things, maybe also fix the Slow Down penalty system and X's on contacts because it really ruins the racing 😒
Add good tire model and netcode and it might become a good sim 😅
They recently announced they are going to overhaul the tyre model for GT3s in a development blog.
So lets hope this changes things
@@MashMashine123 can you share a link to that article please?
I hope the iRacing devs get to see this vid
I really hope iracing watches this and makes some changes for the next season of the Porsche Cup.
They already made a big overhaul this season so I can't see them coming back to it in the next couple years. I really want to love this car but it doesn't even drive like a car on earth to me. And ignoring lack of realism, I don't find it fun to drive.
Yea plz it so difficult to drive
So who is running the physics dept in iRacing and why they ignore real life feedback from drivers who actually races them
Hey Daniel, thanks for sharing this mod. It's people like you that make the biggest difference for a community by providing something as close as possible to the real thing with the IRL experience you have.
@SimRacingNation-SRN what mod he just said dont drive it drive the GT3R am i missing something
a lower and higher license series for cup car would be great!
It would be really nice to give all skill levels and opportunities to drive the car
I love this video and appreciate it, Daniel. I don't think the point of the 992 Cup car is to mimic real life. I think it has a well deserved reputation for being one of the hardest cars to drive. If you can master that "numb" boat of a car that tries to kill you on entry and exit, and locks up when you stare too hard at the brake pedal, you can jump in almost any other car and push it to the limit much more quickly.
I 100% agree. I tried porsche cup on spa all week and it was the most frustrating driving I ever had. When you even brake past 25% the front immediately locks up. When you give just 5% too much throttle in a turn you spin out of control with no way of salvaging it.
It's tricky to drive clearly but it's not that bad.. can brake to a good 70% or more depending on front load..
I hear you. It’s hard to jump in this car coming from almost any other car until you re adjust. Have to be very smooth on the brakes, then can add a bunch of pressure. It’ll never brake like an ABS car though.
I always thought something didnt feel right about the car too, it blew my mind they picked this for the main road championship series.
It’s a great car to challenge the drivers skill and Porsche puts money into it so it’s actually a very good thing for the sim industry and drivers. It’s nice to see sim professionals getting paid for their hard work and skill.
I have always said that it's pointless to have so many different GT classes. My argument was that you can achieve bigger difference in handling through setup changes than there is between the different GT classes. Thanks for proving me right.
I really worked with the Cup Porsche and what I think I like about it, is it really improved braking and driving finesse for me. I can now warm the tires up and really turn fast, competitive times. I agree though that the brake bias is sensitive and the front end floats. The 992 is a bit better. I will try your setup. Thanks.
Perfectly explained how the car feels nowadays
I think you nailed it with your comment about iRacing... You have to under drive the car.
I’ve always struggled to drive this car without crashing at some point. It feels unconnected and like I have to under drive it which is no fun.
Hopefully this modification helps to make you enjoy driving a lot more
Thanks for sharing the knowledge Daniel! Very interesting
We hope that iRacing will listen to things and improve especially the tire model..
Cheers🏁
Damn, I love the 992 cup in iracing
I thought I'd post this in the iRacing forum as a topic of conversation (I agree with all your points) - the argument there is you are completly wrong based on the fact that Laurin Heinrich and Jeff Giassi helped develop the iRacing version. Whilst that is good info to know the problem is this car seems to drive like no other version in any other sim ever. So either iRacings is right or everyone elses is wrong.
I can easily battle for top-5 on any iRacing split-1 lobby. But I just can’t get my brain to drive this car. Everytime I try this car, I either crash it or I am dead last on my split (and also 2-3 splits under). As, you said : no fun at all. This car is broke in iRacing (and it was my favorite car when driving on ACC). Thanks for the video, hope iRacing is listening.
Daniel, nice explanation of the differences. Also, love the black rubber strap on the Daytona.
Thank you very much
4:40 so the Porsche cup car handles like my quarter midget. Never thought I would say that ever
Someone did this a while ago with the legacy Z4 to replicate the V8 supercars better, also fully agree with the need to underdrive the cars massively on iracing
I soften up all the cars in the front for front dive, tighten the sway bar on the front ,soften the rear, shocks soften a little bit but I like a soft car that has some roll , I rallied a Morris minor Ford escort and a Vauxhall chevette which all realistically pre-80 cars which which had roll and dive , I'm going to have a look on discord as I think the Porsche is way too twitchy, I didn't think about increasing the weight though. but makes sense
I love the challenge of the cup car. My favourite in the game. Adding ABS would ruin it for me. But having more feel on the front, I agree would be nice.
Really enjoyed driving the mod. Great work!
Thanks a lot
Very educational and great presentation Thanks for your contribution to the community!!
My pleasure! Great to be part of the community
Finally you’re back on TH-cam 👀 Nice vid man, missed it ! 👍🏁
Pleaaaase try the pcup in rf2, best car in simracing! The sound is so realistic
COME ON iRACING... DO THE THING 🙏🏾
While I do want things to be as realistic as possible in the sim, I will say that, just like with the Skip Barber, I feel like my time with the iRacing Cup car has made me a MUCH better driver.
I would say, to me, the cup car is fun because it feels like I'm driving a superbike. Because you need to trail brake for a long long while to get the car to turn in. The rhythm is really close.
This setup is just WOW! So fun to drive! Thanks for the share!
Glad you like it!
I started sim racing in May and as soon as I got in the 992 cup car, I could tell it felt wrong. Glad to see I'm not crazy here.
How can you call this a mod...
@uzziel5085 click bait and im done with click bait
Yeah. Unsubscribing the channel.
Me too, unsub for click bait
@@Simlife101Nobody cares, goodbye
Great idea. Lets hope iRacing can hear.
Hello Daniel, I compete in IRACING with GT3 cars in both IMSA and GT Sprint and the damage seems very sensitive to me since at the slightest contact the cars break and you lose 1 second or more per lap. I watch real GT3 races and the cars often have contacts, even strong ones, and they don't break. In iracing you make that contact and it tears like a piece of paper.
As a Porsche fan, and strictly driving the Porsche gt3 - I was always disappointed in myself when I hop in the cup car. I have never had a good race where I felt satisfied with the result/had a blast driving the car. So glad it isn’t just me & I hope iracing fixes the car soon!!
Me too. I have always been available to help if they’re interested. I just want the best for this game as I see it having the most potential. I ultimately enjoy myself on iRacing the most, overall out of all the other games.
thanks for working on this! Looking forward to trying it out!!🏁🌟
No problem. Let me know what you think
Off topic, but I'm genuinely curious what you would think with the RSS GT3 cars for assetto corsa. They've had to do a workaround on braking because AC braking is so sticky, so they allow 115% braking (otherwise you can just 100% the brakes all the time and never lock up). The physics they're creating in content manager/custom shaders patch (which ironically isn't just a shader patch its the new physics system on top of AC physics) is really good too. Braking aside, I'd be curious what you think overall.
Side bonus, RSS audio is so incredible it's the only replays where I just sit and watch for lengths at a time.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. I have laps in all cups from 996-992 and while they are some of my favorite cars IRL I totally concur on your statements.
It would be great to get some Morad spec GT3R leagues going.
I really feel it is Iracing underlying tire model that lets this sim down. You can’t hustle a car like you can IRL at all. I just got done with an endurance race in our cayman clubsport and we decided to double stint Hankooks to try to gain track position. It was a bad choice and dry painful for me in the last hour of the race…. All I was thinking is this is what all of Iracings tires feel like all the time.
Hopefully they can sort that because that will make it unbeatable for me.
nice, can't wait to try this, i have some nerve issues to take care of, won't be on my rig anytime before 2-3 months. will definitely try that first thing
Known side effects of cup car racing: SR annihilation.
Glutton for punishment I suppose as I dropped from A to C.
Awesome!!! I hope iRacing is paying attention.
I find the cup car to be one of the most fun to drive because it's just so damn challenging. I've yet to make it through a full race, though...
Tried it and liked it very much!
Awesome. Glad to hear that.
Your version should be the official one !
It would be nice for them to implement this feeling. Obviously there are some limitations, but I’d like to think it’s fairly close.
Everything you say is true feels like cars just spin to easily.
On this particular car, yes. But there are some other great ones too. My GT4 that I race is great.
@danielmorad might give I another chance at some point but gt7 is actually fun at this point of time. Thanks for the reply 👍
I think we should start up a "Proper Cup Car" race series!
i drove the 991.1 cup car in real life and i practiced on iracing non stop at vln nurburgring using the same cup car and it helped me tremendously in setting a lap record on old slick at dream racing and to be honest i don’t find it difficult at all because im so used to driving super formula on iracing and i find the car very grippy and it’s funny that a pro driver says that a cup car on iracing is difficult when a sim racer like me finds the car very grippy.
so that would mean that i would do well in the real life cup car right?
Super cool video! I was wondering if you've ever driven the cup car in acc? I've driven both the iracing and acc car, and what you were describing, I feel as if it is almost a middle zone between iracing, and what you've made. Of course that's just a hypothesis, but I'd like to know what you think!
Now we gotta see a comparison to the RF2 one. It’s a night and day difference
I need to try it. I’ve heard that the excessive slip angle makes it a little unrealistic, but I don’t want to have any judgements until I try it for myself. I was actually surprised, pleasantly by LMU so I’m sure it could be great.
Might be a little unrealist but is the iracing is realisitc too? U can feel connected to the road with the rf2’s Pcup, have a lot of feedbacks and enjoy it quickly, can’t wait to see a video about it ❤
Love the fact that you listen to other’s feedback but want to try by yourself to make your own jugment ❤
Interesting to me that you were often applying 100% brake pressure in the modified GT3R. In recent 992 Cup onboards I've seen that feature telemetry (these cars did not have ABS), they were most commonly braking around 50 to 60% pressure, like iRacing's 992 also likes. Is this difference because the 992 Cup you drove IRL had ABS? If so, you were also braking with 100% brake pressure in that car? Thanks!
There’s no such thing as percentage in real life. It’s all pressure. I did this based on pressure.
@@danielmorad I think I get what you are saying-100% brake pressure on your sim brake pedal felt like threshold braking in the real Cup car.
Iracing should call Daniel Morad to help improve the Porsche Cup
Great idea to attack the 992 cup car this way. I also find the iRacing version of it extremely frustrating to drive - I was wondering whether that's really the way these things drive?? I'm glad to hear they are a lot better in real life 🙂
Hey mate great video!
I was wondering what in ear buds you’re using?
Cheers
I use the Cup car as a personal exercise of pain, thinking if I can handle this I will kill it in GT3
I am so confused about the braking lol (acc main). Thought you shouldnt go to 100% brakes or rely on the ABS that much. So, should you just stay on high pressure for a moment on heavy braking zones? (sometimes it looked you stayed on 100% for a second)
It’s because I set the brake pads to low friction so you can push a lot of pressure. In ACC, I have no issue with “100% pressure”, but I actually find that the duration and cadence of the brake release is incorrect.
@@danielmorad thank you very much, I think I have it much more clearer. In your opinion, should I try to have a good braking technique in ACC (not always going to 100%, threshold braking with ABS, etc) or should I just stick with the 100% and realease fast once you start to turn in.
@@kalrot3992Just try both ways and see which way is faster.
My friend Pcup Driver (driver Supercup 2024 in CLRT team) give me the same feeling on the brake : IRL you can push hard on the pedal, specially in big braking zone…
On the traction, I dont know but often i think that car spin too easily..
I go try yours seetings cause i love that car by the way.
Nice to see you keep that kind of video about iracing and simracing.
Next vid : difference btw iracing AMG and the real ? You pass a lit time in it at SPA non? Bad for the DNF but that team was strong.
Keep pushing.
Amazing video!
Just wanted to know if set up my simrig with ur explanation. And now I see ur sitting really close to the wheel no? Looks like ur arms hit ur body and get a bit tangled when turning hard. Or is it just the angle of camera.
Im struggling with distance for my wheel.
I think it’s just the angle. I feel super comfortable when driving and have incredible control.
Hey Daniel, so listening to what you said, I feel like the Cadillac CTS-V in iRacing seems to be close to how you describe the Pcup. You can actually feel the front axle doing its job and once on the gas the rear end just sticks to the ground. The car feels super light though, but I'm curious to know your opinion of that car compared to the iRacing pcup?
2:27 I’ve been racing the V8 Supercar a lot this season and I’ve recently been feeling this a lot. It’s so unforgiving and easy to pinch a tire. You really have to underdrive the car. I’d love for an IRL Supercar driver to weigh in if we ever get the Gen 3 Supercar.
I’m sure they can provide some amazing feedback. Those cars are amazing in real life.
@@danielmoradApparently SVG used to use the bmw z4 gt3 to replicate the real life supercar
@@rossi0nsxI was just going to mention that SVG has said before that the legacy BMW Z4 GT3 with TC disabled is a better representation of the previous gen. V8 Supercar.
@BGR_33, actually two generations ago, they were racing the VF commodore and FG-X Falcons. No one wants to talk about the last gen.
Hey Sam, iRacing apparently just missed the window for Gen3 for season 4 so it should make an appearance around Christmas 😅 for 2025 season 1
Thats awsome thanks. What FFB settings for simicube 2 and motion do you run with setup
Looked like how the Cup car was prior to this season's update, was so good to drive and now feel meh
It’s improved in some ways but got worse in other ways.
I will have to give this a try! Thanks.
Awesome. Let me know what you think after you try it!
@@danielmorad I gave it a go on VIR and Brands Hatch. I feel like it makes the car less likely to walk out on corner exit and gives the car a connected to the road feel with some actual steering. The cup car was understeering heavily, especially on corner exit when the rear end was connected. Took a minute to adjust to the braking difference. The 250kg definitely makes a difference there. Fun experiment! Thanks for the setup.
@@markcunningham87 my pleasure. It’s a lot more fun to be honest because it definitely feels more rewarding to drive based on correct driving inputs.
It's a shame the Cup car is in such a bad spot because it's at the exact level on the iRacing ladder that I want to spend most of my time.
I wish they'd fix this, it should be an awesome fun car to drive but I hate it as it's currently implemented.
I agree. I think that there is a lot of room for improvement.
@Daniel Morad Are there any videos that show your exact sim setup? Specifically interested in the button box and display to your right.
Excellent feel !
Make me a good set for the vet @Morad.. Great video !
This is amazing Dan, I am intrigued to the point of running some tests with the thoughts of running this is the largest paid iR league in the world, have to see with the reception of moving away from the official platform though ;) Only question I have is if we can lock TC in server settings with the fixed setup unsure on that one.
Not really a mod, but more like “This is what the cup car SHOULD feel like…”
@RyKnocks NOT REALLY you mean at all
@@Simlife101 I was trying to be nice lol
Interesting video and I’m keen to try your mod - but I can’t get the Discord link to work? Says invite no longer valid?
Who is giving iRacing real world experience? The sim would benefit so much if they took just a bit of advice from the likes of Daniel and so forth. Gonna try it out later, thank you Daniel 😀
Thanks so much!
I actually really like running the 992 cup in ACC without abs (enjoy the challenge). Also I would give the united racing design Darche (mod) cup car in AC1 a try. Very fun.
I’ll have to give it a try some time
dude you still have to try out GT3 in Rfactor 2!
Great video Dan! Has improved a bit at least in the new iteration introduced this season?
Thanks. It’s a bit better but still so disconnected. That’s why I waited to post this. Was going to post this before the update but held out and re made the whole thing.
@@danielmorad Thanks!
I've said so many times that there is no way the Porsche cup car is that sloppy. think iRacing should watch this
992 cup is the liveliest car in the service
Nicki thimmm had the same problem and that was the old model. Something about the game engine RR.
The best you can do about iRacing's 992 GT3 Cup - give it proper drive in rFactor 2...
I’ve been hearing that a lot. I’ll need to fire it up and try it.
Great video!
Are there any other cars on iRacing you like?
IceRacing. Empty your bank account and they still own it all. They are like the soup guy on Seinfeld. No cars, no tracks, no abs... "Nothing for you."
You sound like a Daytona USA arcade racer kind of guy lol. But in all seriousness, it’s a great game and a lot of pro drivers find the value in it. That’s why guys like Max Verstappen choose to play this sim over everything else. It is expensive but it’s worth the money for the experience.
Why is the iRacing Cup car modelling so wrong to begin with? I thought that’s why we all spent the big bucks on the iRacing platform. Because of the supposed accuracy in the modelling.
I find it astonishing that iRacing clearly doesn't consult actual drivers of cars they develop. Certainly explains a lot.
And if this guy can fix the car within five minutes, why can't iRacing??