Can an impeached judge serve on the JSC?
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- Impeached Judge John Hlophe has been nominated by the MK party to serve on the Judicial Service Committee. Hlophe was impeached four months ago after being found guilty of gross misconduct. The former judge now serves as the MK party’s leader in Parliament.
Can an impeached judge serve on the JSC?
Research Consultant from Freedom under Law Chris Oxtoby President of the Black Lawyers Association Mavundlela Nkosana weigh in.
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The reasons we usually find ourselves in these situations, is bcos we tend to create laws to punish those we dont like politically without looking at the legal consequences
very true
I'm very concerned about the attack on MK party by the media and racist members of our society. These double standards and hypocrisy is not needed in our country. MK party was voted by millions of South Africans. Not an MK member but I'm very concerned about these double standards.
As anyone concerned about their country should be.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 you're not concerned that your president has an impeachable case, to which HAWKS has taken 2 years without saying a thing?
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Does JSC elect Judges? Is Judge Dr Mandlenkosi John Hlophe's opinion more powerful than anyone in the JSC?
And millions also voted for the ethical leadership
What crime has he committed,tell us please
Why do people make laws out of the constitution?
Anything concerning Zuma and MK has separate laws that are not in the constitution
Exactly witch is very wrong Zuma his a disaster
@@sifisodube4686 Sfiso Dube, a fake Disinformation account
This Sfiso Dube is a fake Disinformation account
And its so disgusting.Now its clear that the system is playing the man not the game.Hlope's nomination is a political one and he will be sitting with other members. It's not like he is the one who is going to make those appointments or rejections. He is not a member of JSC mus
Sifiso Dube is a fake Disinformation account
Members are for the parties. Hlophe has explained that he is not a judge.
Google why he was impeached
Mavundlela is very Sober 👏👏
Why this obsession abt Dr Hlophe?He is more qualified than most in that panel
He doesn't deserve to run a chess club.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ubBecause he is not a puppet?
It's not about his qualifications It's about his conduct. His a corrupt judge which rather follows political parties ideologies an not the law.
@@EdmundWilliamWessels Are you talking about Zondo since Dr Hlophe is not a judge
@@EdmundWilliamWesselsZondo is the one who is corrupt along side Ramaphosa
Strange that we've got judges who served under apartheid and according to them is acceptable because of their skin
Please name which judges you're referring to; or are you just singing a song that others are singing?
@@susanlarhubarbe9475 you can find out for yourself and deal with the fact that democratic government inherited apartheid judges even parliamentarians like Piet the friend of Hani's killers. Piet was the leader of Conservative party.
@@susanlarhubarbe9475none of them were removed. Think!!
Why anybody from the MK being called all sort of names????
That’s very interesting. If a layman with no legal credentials like Julius Malema can hold a position in the JSC, it would be rather weird barring a known academic with credentials of being in the JSC. This is actually making us weary of the agenda of those who don’t want to give MKP the respect it deserves. If perception had such power, we would have a new president and a new Chief justice by now.
He is no longer a judge and just an ordinary citizen. He has no criminal record as well. Puppet media is disgusting
Hlophe's case is a disciplinary matter not a case of guilt in the criminal proceedings. So you are building a mountain of ice as usual.
Can Zizi Kodwa be an MP despite the step-aside rule?
Step aside rule is for ANC,in a government setting there is LRA
@@mphorakabe8463step aside rule has applied because of an accusation of criminal activity.
Lying. When a person is fired, that is final punishment. When his career resuscitate, you are no more able to apply your punitive tools of a past case.
1000% right my Niggar leave these Propagandists because we know what agenda they are pushing and it's a shame
Its amazing that issues are discussed parallel to the law. We know this is a prelude to so-called NGOs being used to create “Hlophe law” through the courts.
So if my current employer dismis me of gross misconduct should i not be employed again?
Dr Hlophe is a Member of Parliament, there is no law on which assignment can serve.
Nobody must interfere with Parliament and it's Committees.
Impeachment is for serving as a judge - not as an MP.
He can even teach the law in our institutions.
Does Chris knows that president Ramaphosa has an impeachable case, according to the panel led by Chief Justice Ncgobo, and that case is stagnant, but Ramaphosa has been reelected, and he is continuing with his presidential duties, but Chris's public perception doesn't matter there! Right now we should be asking ourselves how far the HAWKS have gone, it's been 2 years no!
Mvundlela is spot on
what crime has Hlophe ever done, please mention it for you to sound credible,
He manipulated the law and was seen as a person with no integrity.
@@EdmundWilliamWessels examples!
Manipulating the law is not a crime. Our laws are being manipulated day in day out to serve a certain group’s agenda and no one has a problem with it other than the people being subjugated.
An actual criminal is a minister and you have no problem with that, why?
Why are you always fearful?
@@baphithi well that is why we need more judges with integrity and he will not be a good candidate to select good judges.
All departments have to be rebuild after the Zuma era. I don't think Mandela was short sighted when he started the Scorpions.
Today the whole ANC is implicated not just some. Even the lot which started MK and EFF.
@@EdmundWilliamWessels do you understand the the concept of "crime" within the contextual parameters of law? Following your logic, if "crime" was committed, why there's no CRIMINAL CHARGE against him? Was seen by a "panel" of his colleagues and political nemesis as to be having "no" integrity is now a CRIME?
@@EdmundWilliamWessels there was no manipulation of the system. It was all political. He said "kusesandleni zenuke madoda"(its all in your hands) to the judges in Zuma's case
This is why it’s so important to look at law on both sides of the argument so one can have a holistic view and then themselves make an informed decision.
How do you start of from saying “yes” to then agreeing that there’s no express provision to exclude an impeached judge.
We have to debunk and problematise what one thinks is public opinion and actually let them own it and say “we don’t want you there”.
he is not going there as a Judge but as a member of parliament.I liked the way Mdumiseni articulated it.Abelungu abamfuni bcos akamncengi umlungu qha
Law is not bssed on personal opinion.
Constitution is the guiding principle.
PA Leader might end up Police or Correctional Minister.
Sloppy has already brought the Justice system iinto disrepute. Sloppy has broken all the rules and this disqualifies him. Only those acting in brute bad faith could possibly support his participation.
He is now Dr Hlope, not judge. He is not on the judge's bench. So he has every right to move on in any direction he wishes. This is a different platform altogether unlike Zuma
Yes there's nothing to stop Hlophe
It will depend what he did but I tell you it was Political Hlophe is innocent he was fired by DA and ANC so that they can continue........., everyone knows what I'm talking about😎man
Leave John Hlophe alone Mr Ramaphosa and your media
The bar of Excellence starts at Level Minus 20 and gets hotter
Viva MK 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚 viva Hlophe ✊✊✊😄
Hlophe was sworm in as an MP, and is qualified to sit in JSC as an MP.
How is it possible that an impeached judge sit on the very same committee that impeached him?
Some can't see this as an issue.
If judges can sit and interpret their own judgements because they are "professional", he will also sit there as a professional politician not a judge. What is complicated here ? 😂
They are mere humans and have they said they won’t have him there?
The opressir is catching chest pain knowing what is coming. Dr Hlope mission is to free the black man from the shuckles of poverty n disposition of land by this settlers. Sorry Dr Hlope is here to contribute
A constitutional conundrum indeed. A disgraced judge potentially included on the JSC?? It smacks of wrongness. Skewed ethics.
So long as it's not illegal, the Leader of the Opposition must serve in the JSC
Wenzeni uHlophe
Impeached? Stop that quote before it affects your names. He was not charged and found guilty in court. Stop fighting wars that you as the media doesn't include you. Long live Dr Hlophe
It depends on which grounds was he impeached AND STRONGLY BY WHO under what evidence?
Anything can happen in a banana republic 😂
Chris is waffling 😂😂😂😂
Dr Hlophe is going to be APPROPRIATELY in the JSC.
We have people who voted and participated in aprtheid how about their moral ground double standards will burn SA into ashes😢
YOU LIKE OR NOT DR HLOPHE WILL SIT IN THE JSC
reasonably foreseen shall be the end of these guys. 😂
When will the words racist, oppressor,apartheid settlers, etc., ever come to an end and stop dividing the South African nation? Is there no normalcy in South Africa?
Ask him. Uyazi yena, himself. He did something wrong that, even yena as a judge, a legalistic honcho, couldn't successfully defend it. That's why he lost the fight and got stripped.... Simple
The capture of our media is complete!! How and why these media houses do not state upfront that these so-called NGOs are funded by the same people that fund political parties contesting our political space beats me. It is so obvious that whenever they opine, it is to support and punt the views of their funders (and co-funded political parties).
Chris having chest pains analysis😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Freedom under law is obsessed with judge hlophe . They should leave the
Man alone they have caused him so much harm and i tend to think they rascist and have a problem with black excellence.
I only heard public perception nonsense kuloyamlungu
Shame Chris is trying to spin the unspinnable😂
Dr Hlophe is a Member of Parliament, there is no law on which assignment can serve.
Nobody must interfere with Parliament and it's Committees.
Majority of people knows Hlophe is innocent only DA and ANC mp's found him guilty using their majority number in parliament to serve their political agenda. no court has fòund him guilty
I didn't vote for MK but to keep on judging and humiliaing Mr Hlophe is bad.
Dr hlophe
Desperation 😁
im going with chris
Yes, yes they can. The MK party are not betting on their enemies being drunk at the moment they present their candidate.
U Chris uthini kanti?
The white monopoly capital is using their news media to remove Dr Hlope from JSC😅
Newroom Afrika please if you are fair talk about Hellen Zille insult to MK and EFF.
Why isn't there a WHITE lawyer society. Please can someone explain?
Afriforum
Most are in England.
Go ask them
Will it be racist if white lawyers start a society in sout africa for white lawyer's
@@vanzylbooysen4826 who cares about whites
This white guys keeps saying 'I think..'.. so his opinion is law?
Why did Helen Zille called EFF and MKP dogs
Ther is no law that prevent him from serving just like the ris no law preventing him from serving in parliament and racists need to calm down and understand political processes wher used to impeach Hlophe just like Mkhwebane case as opposed to having independent fact finding processes .which is the whole problem with our system in SA
No he should not be allowed
That all you can talk about judge Hlophe but nothing about phala phala when the president allocated as a president again
You are so busy to Judge Hlophe .You were quiet to Zizi Odwa becourse you are bribed by anc to take Hlope out
When it's comes to MK or EFF they not part of SA but it's comes to DA and ANC yes yes it's fine nothing wrong they are forgiven and they made mistakes
Drafters of constitutions usually do not forsee madness.
Would you rather we have the DA’s matriculants, grade elevens, and Zimbabweans serve in the JSC?