Kingroon KLP1 Review - Not Exactly Perfect!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ธ.ค. 2023
- The Kingroon KLP1...Where do we start?
I had a lot of problems with this printer and in my opinion there are very few people who should buy it.
Are you one of those people? Let's find out.
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Thanks for the review. I bought their newest version called KLP1-230 it was 325$ shipped to my door from Aliexpress. Same machine with slightly larger bed 230mm and now it comes with metal panels on the sides only panels that need to be installed are the front and top doors and are still black no lights. The whole extruder assembly looks different and it's an upgraded one according to their specs with higher torque. Spool holder and it's location is fixed now the holder takes regular 1 kg spool and still have space and does not obstruct top door. PTFE tube issue still same and filament runout sensor still same design. This is my first klipper printer the unload macro seems to be there but it does not unload the filament enough so I have to do it 2 or 3 times. Noisy fans still the same. So far never got printer to stop with no reason. Printed parts surface quality not the best but compared to my previous printer marlin bed slinger speed wise this is a Ferrari 😆. It is definitely not a beginner printer but for klipper corexy enclosed printer I would say not bad. Oh & the Kingroon logo light is now Orange instead of green. I thought I will keep this for new comers who will search for the klp1 and find the the one with 230.
My KLP1 was an absolute bargain at 250$. For this price I am ok with fixing some issues and I appreciate it running stock Klipper. I just wish there was more information about the internals, like pinouts for the board.
how u get that price?
I would like to know where I can get this for $250... at the price I will buy it.
250 where'd you find that on Black Friday, or was it on OfferUp from a person who didn't know how to print? I'll raise an eyebrow too, but check your local offer ups. You'll be amazed at what you'll find. I'm in Southern California. There was a dude in LA selling a Pursa 3 I think for like 450. By the time I contacted him, the printer was already sold. I think it was up for maybe 4 hours
I'm here because one popped up for $30 with some broken plastic. I'm happy to take the chance for the money, even if it's just a bunch of spare parts. But it's nice to know there's a chance I can get a good machine out of this.
Right now I can buy it for aliexpress anniversary, 260-280 €, tax&shipping included, in europe.
Is it worth? or is there anything better for that price?
Tip for changing language on future devices; use Google lens / translate's camera to "translate" on the fly. For the money this thing costs you expect more though.. It looks cheaply built with allot of issues..
Good tip! Wish it wasn't necessary though.
Great review. Thank you. I appreciate the honesty. It helped me make my decision on a new machine easier.
Terrific review! Thanks for telling it like it is!
Ricky, your videos have been a gift to the 3D printing community. You are one of the rare TH-cam out there that will never sacrifice truth and knowledge for content/clicks. You are one of the most positive youtubers I've seen. With that in mind, if you are making a negative review, that is saying a lot and the company BETTER listen. Never feel bad for telling the truth and protecting the consumer. My respect keeps going up for you! Thank you for your integrity!
Thanks @mikehancho8930, I appreciate your opinion 👍 You wouldn't believe how many manufacturers are now trying to pay content creators to 'review' their products on the agreement that they see the video before they are published. I refuse to let any product supplier put words in my mouth as I value my integrity and the trust of my audience far more than anything they can offer me. Unfortunately, I doubt I can say the same for all content creators but I guess everyone has their own morals and code they live by. I try very hard to give manufacturers every opportunity to fix problems that I find as mistakes are inevitable sometimes. It's how you put them right that counts to me. Thanks for your support👍
Actually your review is totally correct. However, sometimes the KLP1 is sold for incredibly low price. I paid less than 280€ incl. tax and shipping on 11.11 sale on Aliexpress.
Actually it was the latest version.
Of course, with this low price and me beeing a tinkerer anyways, no way I could not buy it...
On printables there are nice parts to raise the top, to solve the problem the bowden lifting the cover. Also I replaced the bowden by a longer one and also will replace the runout sensor and add a longer cable.
The main reason I bought it, was for my holyday home. While I had collected some printers over the last 6 years, and have already a Prusa mk3s+ and a Prusa mini there (with Ikea Lack enclosures), my holyday home is 200 years old and has not the best heat insulation - and heating only in a few rooms. So in winter I do need enclosures even printing PLA. However, the Prusas check for a minimum temperature of 15°C and do not boot below. Using an normal heating device to preheat the enclosure (like I do at home) is a bit problematic due to the old house electrics. With the KLP1 it boots and I can simply preheat the chamber using the bed.
So the next days I will do some tinkering and take it to my holyday home on X-Mas.
However, I think it's quite a special scenario. I wouldn't recommend the KLP1 for beginners (maybe if they have experienced friends setting up and fixing the problems for them). But actually, if you get a sub 280€ deal, its a nice printer to tinker with.
Quality Control is something Kingroon isn't good at. On my printer the hinges were mounted on the wrong side of the front door. Easy to fix - but very irretating.
At the moment I definitly recommend Qidi printers. However, while the X-Smart 3 is the most simular to the KLP1 in function and price, if you want to save energy in your printers room in winter, you might invest a bit more for the X-Plus or the X-Max 3, with activly heated chamber.
Great comment, agree with everything. I'm currently testing the X plus 3 and it's great to have the chamber heater to get things going quicker on the cold days here.
I got a kp5l, only to find out they haven't released a usable firmware in over a year. Kingroon's business model is.. "consume product, get excited for next product* I switched to the Elegoo Neptune 4 Plus! Much better quality and consistency! Also customer service was much better!
great review Ricky, some silly little problems that will stop this being a good printer and stop people buying this printer, do they think the consumer will just buy anything
If you think this thing is bad, get a Creality K1! I've been waiting patiently for you to get a K1, since you're about the only person on TH-cam that actually makes videos and setup guides from start to finish without editing out and missing important steps. I've had my K1 Max for 3 weeks not managed a successful print and setting it up is near impossible compared to Gen1 printers. The PLA barely touches the build plate, and won't store the Z offset, so all my prints collapse unless I get the manual Z offset done in time at the beginning of the print (it needs the print to start before you can adjust the offset), then the first corner is loose and sometimes messes up subsequent layers. Due to this, I can only print larger stuff as the toolhead is in the way otherwise. Most of my stuff has collapsed and I've wasted more PLA than it's worth. I'm so close to launching it into the local landfill
Thanks for sharing, I just wanted to buy one now I don't know for sure 😢😢
Just got the NEW extruder assembly in today from Kingroon for the KLP1 and it cannot be used because my circuit board has different connections. I went ahead and removed the parts needed to rebuild the original and got it up and running. The prints are sloppy looking layers and again still more NEW problems found. I gave Kingroon a list of my complaints and explained the new issues. At least we did get a first full printed part off the machine but not acceptable for our client. At least this time the nozzle didn't try and drive itself down into the model today. My confidence in the thing is about shot now.
Sorry you are having so many problems with the KLP1 but unfortunately I'm not surprised.
All the "Good machine" reviews have one common factor. They all have the Zbanx link which is a Chinese marketing company that keeps them in check and under a contract to ONLY say nice things about any product.
Nice honest review. Saw you at smrrf but was deep in a conversation with someone so didn't want to interupt. You think In the future you'll review a diy kit?
Very possibly yes. I love building machines more than using them so it's something I'd love to do. Hopefully I'll see you at the next show and we can say hello!
I have one of these machines... and I just broke the ceramic heater cartridge trying to change the nozzle. I was satisfied with the machine until tonight. Nozzle changes should not be this difficult.
Quite like mine and I also have Bambu X1C , Prusa´s and FLSun SR and many more types of printers , But yes its a handfull to get going out of the box 🙂
Thanks for your comment, I'm glad you are happy with yours👍
im guessing the reason why there's no language selection screen is because of the fact that they are using kipper screen and kipper screen isn't intend to be used on machines being sold but rather you installing it on your own machine as a mod.
After doing a Qidi VS the new KLP1 last week I was asked to take down the video, which I refused. Meantime my KLP1 is dead and not working. Prusa slicer didn't work and Cura with the supplied files from Kingroon doesn't work. I tried Orca slicer and the nozzle jammed into the bed and twisted off. The long long LONG list of issues includes everything you mentioned and I've been waiting for parts from Kingroon now for weeks. I have since built a custom profile for Prusa slicer, but unable to test the KLP1. Before breaking the machine the other problem I encountered was after each print you had to reset the home location before starting up another print. 🤠
Just watched you video👍 Seems like you had the same kind of experience as me. The Kingroon is just not ready yet and needs more work.
The marketing company demanded I take my video down and I refused, pointing to the now broken KLP1 on my bench. Kingroon today sent me a survey to see how I'm doing with it ..OMG....are they drinking something over there ???
@SirTools That's crazy, I always tell anyone that wants to send me a product that it will get an honest review and nothing else. If they can't handle that then they shouldn't send me anything. We'll done for not bowing to their pressure. I'm a little surprised by just how many positive reviews this machine is getting from other creators.
Kingroon requested today more details about my complaints. I told them it needs to be "user friendly". Sure I can play with the Gcode and even work up a slicer profile to run the machine, but new buyers should not have to do all this. I can't believe there was positive reviews ! Maybe they took cash and machine LOLOL.....ha ha ha....yeah.
Makes you wonder.....🤔
Bloody allen keys, only of any use in small tight spaces. Loving my neptune 4 pro, my first try of klipper. Seems to average twice as fast as non klipper but MUCH faster on objects with few details.
I hope they fix all these problems.
I think he shelved a v1 unit for 5 months then saw other people reviewing the units with this stuff already fixed.
Yea, I won't be buying this one anytime soon. I agree with your opinion on the dark panels though I do like that they use acrylic panels rather than an all metal chassis. It is much easier to work on. I have a Ender 5 S1 enclosure and it uses the same awful dark panels. I am current adding led lighting though it is a challenge as there is not much room.
Maybe if they want to retain some "awesome" factor, they can use two-way mirror glass. When the internal lights are off, it acts like a mirror from the outside. When the internal lights are on, you can see the interior clearly. I'm not sure if two-way mirrors can be made of acylic, though.
@@yeroca I am not sure if I would want mirrored panels though maybe on the back and one of the sides. I would prefer clear panel or maybe some translucent panel that is not so dark. They do have specialry silver paint that would have a mirror effect though it would probably easier to use an unpainted aluminum panel which should reflect enough. Though just putting led strips inside should be a big help.
I see the one for sale on their website now has a clear front door! LOL so they listened to you and others. Too bad they didn't fix the top. This is what happens when you try to meet a price point.
Rickey, i really wish you would get a bambu lab a1 mini and do a tuning series on it.. i kinda live by your word.. so what you say goes
Hi, I'm glad you like the content. The A1 does look like a great printer for the right person. Maybe drop Bambu a message saying that you'd like them to send a machine to your favourite reviewer🙂
@@RickyImpey big bets
A lot of new 3D Printers are pushing forward to the Plug and Play idea, just plug it in and it works
5 month old v1 printer and you didn't update the firmware, the load/unload macros are on mine
the ender 5 enclosure is tinted too dark too , should be clear.
In my experience this equipment is a pain in the ass, not even the enders fail that much.
I still think you're getting a very good value at that price point
Possibly, I just prefer my Qidi X Smart 3 that is now cheaper and wouldn't want to recommend the KLP1 to a friend.
had the klipper version of the kp3s. caught on fire in 1 day. got the klp. it died in a week
Oof. So many small issues that just... Shouldn't be there. At least they fixed most of the simple firmware issues, but the rest are also easy fixes that should not take very long. The front door should be clear, the screen should be accessible without opening the door, the top lid should be raised and clear the PTFE tube and wires, and the filament roller should be longer with a bearing. None of this would significantly increase cost and it would make it a far better machine. All that plus upgraded firmware and it would actually be competitive.
Yep, and that's exactly what I told them. I hope they listen.
Kingroon doesn't have experience in working and supporting Klipper firmware. If you are buying kingroon with klipper, then you have to support yourself in case of issues with klipper
Wow most of your issues are non issues.
For the screen, they are all the same. My brand new Creality is the same. Use your nail to tap the screen , not finger.
The top lid which is a problem with Creality and Bamboo as well. Leaving the top out until there is a fix.
The filament load script missing is an issue they have to fix, and apparently they fixed it with new firmware but you didn't say it. For filament load use a skirt that does the job so you don't have to waste your time with the load process.
The don't install three side panels so they don't get shattered. Install Allen screws? No big deal. Treasures 3 minutes. Better than hours on the phone with shipping company filing a claim.
It works with any USB camera unlike others who sell you their own branded overpriced webcams.
Did you mention the beautiful PEI sheet?
You forgot to mention you paid half the price of competitors and that's an amazing job to bring core xy to the masses.
At least you noted every print came out great.
I'm not a fan, nor paid by Kingroon, and in fact I only own multiple Creality printers, but your review seems very biased. Your video could significantly hurt their sales for a company that is working hard to bring low cost top speed printers to the masses.
All it needs is just some polishing all around.
Qidi is much smaller. But you didn't mention the size difference. Research takes time.
Very biased.
This is like when a A list movie is put out and the B movie company tries to copy it, but gets a lot wrong.
Liked and subbed :)
Kingroon machines are all bad implementation of great ideas. What they save in quality control, the user needs to spend in time to tune. When you can buy with a big discount it's a good choise for the pro user. Save bucks and have lot of fun in modify and make it perfect.
Good afternoon.
Nothing is said about poor printing with soft plastics. Large gaps in the feed mechanism often lead to chewing.
When the chamber is closed, materials like PLA and PETG overheat and form a plug.
The design of the heating unit is, to put it mildly, strange.
The fan of the thermal barrier is connected to 24V, it is not regulated in any way.
The housing of the feed mechanism is combined with the radiator and has its own design, because of this, its modernization is impossible. Only replacement of the printhead assembly.
To upgrade this printer to, at the moment, +-0 ready-made solutions.
I'm not surprised to hear there are more issues. I guess I didn't get that far yet.
It's a real newbie thing to do to prioritize aesthetics over usability and reliability on a 3D printer. Based on this model, I don't think they have what it takes to be in this business. They need to hire a great QA team that won't let big mistakes like these out the door. Almost all of these problems should have been caught during prototyping, really.
Yep, I can't disagree with anything you say. Very disappointing
KP3S is an amazing machine, shame the KLP1 was rushed as it has great potential
Oh man the tone at the beginning makes me weary. If this review goes south, does anyone have a recommendation for a true corexy printer to check out?
Yes, plenty, later in the video......
Sorry for the dumb question because I should have been paying better attention the first time I watched your video of the Qidi, K1, and Adventure which prayer do you think gives the best quality? Not really too concerned about speed per se. And I'm sorry if you've already made a video about this
Use google translate on your phone. It can translate "real time" the picture of its camera. It's not a big deal in 2023...
Is that a raspberry pi on the side? Or a clone? LOL
I don't think this would be my choice
hi
I don't know why auto video play jump to this guy video, i really don't like his way of talk it reminds me with Anton Ego from ratatouille just need to say "I take 3d printing seriously".
BTW KINGROON you are doing great job your printer KP3S pro V2 is amazing, I am very satisfied with that machine.
sounds like theyre in the wrong business. this is like going back in time
In the current time of 3d printing, these are a waste of time and resources by the look of it.
5th
Wow that’s a train wreck
Not Exactly Perfect! and what is Perfect ?
First?!