Topre Realforce 87U Variable Weight Keyboard - Unboxing & Review
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We're back with a review on the Topre Realforce 87U Variable Weight electrostatic capacitive keyboard! Technically not a mechanical keyboard, but they're generally categorised together, and this is a high grade keyboard for typist's which was designed and manufactured in Japan.
Note : I did use this for a few weeks on and off, and repacked it to show the unboxing.
Sound test is at 7:45
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UPDATE : Topre is amazing. With more experience with more switches and keyboards, I've grown to appreciate Topre switches much much more.
which topre keyboard model do you recommend?
you should checkout the FC660C i got on and added Hasu controller making it fully programmable..if you want a full size topre you can look at the "Leopold FC980C" if i'm correct HASU also made a controller for that one not 100% sure.. the one thing i don't like about Realforce is that it has a non removable cable. Leopold has removable cable.
totally agree i just modded them lubed them with superlube grease for the stabs and superlube oil for the sliders and added hyperspheres ..my topre just got better awesome.. i'm thinking of getting the Keyclack silencing rings because i want a spare set and the price is great i payed way way more for my hyperspheres too expensive.. these look better than the KBD ones ...What i also like about topre is that you can easily mod them without having to solder..
Yeah it's funny how much Topre can grow on you if you let it, often I'll feel like trying something MX variant, but I always end up coming back to my FC660C. Nothing seems to feel quite as good somehow. I think a large part of why I like it so much is the capacitive nature of the sensing mechanism with it's built in hysteresis, so there's never any chattering. For my light typing style this is great for accuracy, with every normal electrical contact switch I've tried double presses always seem to creep in, even if it's one in two hundered words its still seriously annoying.
Modification is great with Topre too, I've fully disassembled my FC660C for modification and tweaks probably a couple of dozen times now, I love that I don't have to worry about soldering stuff and damaging the PCB in this process, just an overall nicer more meditative experience that modding MX boards I find.
Just picked up the fc660c with silent topre switches. Absolutely worth it.
Here you go 7:47
after buying a MX Red keyboard, waiting 10 days, I ordered my first Topre keyboard. Totally worth it. I ended purchasing a 2nd one for my office. The noise on the videos (including my own) is misleading. I can't hear any noise coming from my own typing but when I watch my video, I can hear a louder noise from the typing. Not sure why the difference. The noise is almost none existing. I highly recommend a Topre keyboard if you are typing all day long.
"This keyboard requires a proper technique to get most out of it...
which I don't have" lol
If you're going to use quotation marks, you might as well quote properly. While similar, that isn't what he said word for word.
@@spell105 lol people these days are easily triggered
I have been re learning how to type ever since I bought mechanical keyboard so I realised the full potential of the keyboard.
I bought one Topre 87U since 2015, it gives me the best typing feel, can't explain it to you but to me it is worth the price.
Love the design. Reminds me of old Apple/Amiga styles.
Great board. Used my friends 87U 55g uniform for an assignment, and I loved it so much. Its expensive, but once you buy it you can go typing for hours and hours without fatigue. Suitable for typists and people who likes to shitpost on TH-cam and Twitter
the keycap puller at 1:26 with the veined forearm/fist on one end is the most bizarre accessory I've seen in a keyboard unboxing
What I’ve found is despite having a ton of custom MX boards, I always come back to Topre after a while.
never really wanted a topre board but i do love the way they sound, for some reason i think they sound even better than normal mech keyboards
I appreciate the sound as well, as it's quite refreshing.
Nice boards. Build quality is indeed straight from the golden age of 80s peripherals. I'd put my filco along side my Topre any day for quality however. The cherry mx pink caps are also surprisingly like Topre switches...slightly anyway!
I have two keyboards, a Filco Majetouch Ninja for my home PC and gaming, and the Topre Realforce 87U for work (programming). They are both perfect for their uses.
Man, that keyboard sounds actually very, very good.
"good feeling of oneness with cup rubber" they put that through google translate didn't they.
this channel is perfect you deserve way more view and sub
I don't know about you guys but I love this keyboard and the retro look.
Thank you for this quality video especially typing sound is pretty close with real sound.
I absolutely love topre but I could never say it's worth $300.
Purchased one for 345 CDN.. I have to agree, its not worth it. I would suggest people to get a mechanical keyboard with official Cherry MX switches. The tactile feedback and click-y noise is psychologically satisfying. I agree, this is a beautifully built keyboard.
you could grab a FC660C for $100 less.. i payed way more but availability helped the prices.. and i do prefer Leopold because of the detachable cable.. still it's lot of $$ no argument there..And if you add an aftermarket controller like i did from Hasu $46 + $26 lube/oil $50 silence rings..(now also cheaper) it's a lot hahaha.. do you know there are people paying $230 just to replace the case of this board.. i'ts called " Norbaforce: after-market housing" it's absolute perfection build in the US (and i'm European haha) .. i suppose if you have the $$ to spare why not..for me i would spend that cash on a nice board for work not an extra case ..
Don't forget that Topre has a different actuation that is like a Cherry switch. I don't know, but I think that my Topre Realforce feels a lot better than my Matias and have grown to love the Topre a lot more. Opinions are different for everyone.
do you prefer topre of mechanical keyboards cherry MX blue, brown, or clear?
if you had asked this question a few months ago i would have said Topre is the mechanical type switch i prefer. But Topre also has it's issues that i'm finding out now that i'm in to modding my boards. Having said that i like tactile switches for typing so non gaming. and my two favorite switches are for long days 45g Topre like the FC660C. And for cherry and cherry style switches i would go for mx-clears. Also i have bought Kailh switches to tryout so i will have to wait on that to give my opinion.. i like mx-brown an gateron brown, kailh-brown but find them a bit on the light side of things. The perfect tactile switch would be a zealios tactile switch for me.. or what i'm going to do is mod cherry mx-clear switches with lighter springs and lube them.. a time consuming process for sure.. hahaha
that keyboard sound its Amazing :D
I love, love the design of this keyboard and really want to try the switches but it's just too expensive for me. Someday maybe.
pls do a review of topre clones, like plum 84 or 75, ...
I have the RK RC930 coming up soon :)
Where did you get your RK RC930 from?
banggood
Yay! You are back! :)
hello im from future, people are realizing Topre switch sound are the best, even some people making ASMR content from typing on Topre keyboard
Nah that aint happenin
Great video mate
Can u please review the topre realforce rgb? Great review as always.
I bought this used, and although I love the soft key feel, I could never recommend paying full price for this board unless you are using it as a profession.
same for all keyboards,
is $150 good price for it?
Good review Tea!
Did you purchase this keyboard yourself from mechkb?
You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them.
I have one of these in a 91-key JIS layout configuration. It's quite special & very high quality, but as someone who prefers linear switches, it's not my favorite.
Do you plan on a doing a review of the new Mod switches? They seem interesting.
Modular you mean? (Don't get me wrong, i'm from Brazil)
I'm talking about the new switches from MOD Keyboards, the MOD-L, MOD-M, and the MOD-H switches. I think you can check them out on Originative
I would love to when they're back in stock :)
Owned one since 2014 and would like to dismantle it to clean it. Do you have a full video of your dismantle please?
If you want TOPRE FEEL + MX keycaps, then get a NiZ Plum topre clone. It's great. You can even buy different layouts (35/45/55g variable), USB-C, bluetooth, RF, backlighting, etc.
I feel like I’ve used one of these... that logo rings a bell.
Hi Tae! Thanks for the review. Just got a question though. I just bought samples for 30g, 45g and 55g topres and to be honest, they felt kind of meh... didn't feel much tactility at all. Do you think it's impossible to get an accurate feel of a full keyboard with just samplers or are they a close enough approximation? Thinking of just sticking to my mx speed keeb for now.
You should try a whole board if possible, I have variable realforce and a type heaven which is otw, curious to how it would feel when it's uniformed.
@@jordanlimantara1814 TY! Yup. I bought a leopold/realforce r2 45g tkl to satisfy the curiousity (and it was the last one in stock from widebasket so had to act fast). Love it. For typing, I think I would've preferred 55g. But for gaming and typing, I'm happy with 45g. Samplers, while helpful, just don't give you the full feel of a keyboard.
@@UseVisine I'm glad you pulled the trigger on it, cause I'd be pretty bumped out if people makes decision based on just a single key press. Take cherry for example, unlike topre they come in a thousands more type of chassis and keycap variation that could alter the of the feel from board to board
@@UseVisine as a side note, I have been quite dissappointed with the realforce quality control. The spacebar rattles like hell, the case creaks like a bitch(or they might all be like that, Idk), and just now I realize that the feet is uneven, so it tips a whole lot despite it's weight, overall I can't bring myself to hate it cause it's just soooo good to type on regardless
Whats topre Collapse / actuation hold force(g)?
♦Logitech k120 50.6~58.9/28.9 Spacebar 51.2/21.5-25.3
●Microsoft comfort curve 3000 61.2-68.7/38.9-41.2 Space 54.8/38.7-41.3
▫️Logitech G105 71-77g / 39.0~42.8g
▫️Logitech k200 81.3g / 35.2, Spacebar 51.5-62.5g / 21.3-25.1
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🔹Cherry MX actuation (label / real test)
🔹mx Red 45±15cN/45.8g
🔹mx Blue 60±15cN/ 65.2g
🔹mx Brown 55±25 / 66.6g
🔹mx White 80g / 80.2g
🔹mx Green 80±20cN/84.7g
-by RipOmeter(stack coin&0.1g weight scale)& www.keyboardtester.com/tester.html
🔹Mechanical(spring) top soft bottom hard
🔹Membrane(dome) top hard bottom soft
Nice!
Why does the left CTRL keycap have a light hole thing on it?
Also, those aren't just spare Caps and CTRL keycaps are they? They're if you want to have the CTRL key where the Caps key currently is and vice-versa, that's why that 'spare' CTRL key is bigger and Caps is smaller and has light hole on the left. So that makes sense as to why there is a light on the bottom left CTRL key, but still doesn't explain why the keyCAP needs a light hole, if you see what I mean ^_^ Unless there is some use for a CTRL key to have a light?
But yeah, I much prefer to have the CTRL where caps normally is, so it's cool they include those keycaps to swap out in the box.
tactile green alps come pretty close to topres.
I just got one today and It isn't working after being plugged in... Any tip?
I've used several different mech keyboards but since I got an HHKB I've never gone back. I still use my Ducky Shine for gaming on occasion, but for coding HHKB Topre is just superior.
That keyboard mount! Is that a DIY mount or did you buy it? I've been looking to get a few of them to display my keyboards
It's not a keyboard mount infact it only just squeezes in haha. It's just a cheap phone stand :)
TaeKeyboards legend! thanks! keep up the great vids
Great review. I was considering this board, but the price is hard to justify, so I decided to go with the Matias Quiet Clicks, or possibly Zealios Purples, and lastly, Cherry MX Clears. I'm looking for a tenkeyless or 104 board for the Matias/Alps, preferably backlit. Any suggestions?
I've got keyboards with MX Brown, Zealio 67g, 78g, and Gateron Green switches.
I'd recommend 78g zealio's imo, or 67g if you want it weaker.
Thanks! I bought a cheap interim board with Outelo blue switches 80G. I find it agreeable, other than its rainbow lighting and a tendency to double type i's and r's. It's a base level from which to better understand keyboards. I'd prefer something quieter with thick PBT keycaps and/or backlighting. Zealios have the advantage of being Cherry compatible, and I've only heard great things about them.
John, trust me when I say that a good switch on your KB will change your life.
Where can I buy with danish layout? Or Nordic layout, then danish keys?
You can't. Does not exist. www.keyboardco.com has Swedish ones though.
Haha! At first I thought that keycap puller's handle was a dildo... then I looked again xD
I wanna try these switches so bad but I can't find it near me.
f c 6 6 0 c e v e r y d a y ! :))))))))))) You need to review one, if you are a typist. And you also need to do some silencing mods like o rings
Are there alternative or custom serious keycaps for this? I don't want a windows key nor clown gAmErZ stuff. Keep it OS-agnostic.
good video keep it up
is this a keyboard you would lube?
Posting this comment very late, but does anyone know the name of the background music in this video? I recognise it but can't remember the name.
Just to confirm, despite it being USB, and it being capacitive, does it have full NKRO?
Actually BECAUSE it is capacitive it can have full NKRO
Made in Japan I like that! Pretty much anything now made in China
Adel a bit late, but I think the majestouch is a Japanese keyboard made in Taiwan. Care to check the bottom of your board?
Please take a look at the moto speed k70 it's like 17 bucks if you look at it on the right site other while it's 25 I got mine for 13 Euro ow and it has led backlight in a rainbow configuration
Everything fine except the software, which works randomly. Many claims it doesn't start. I personally tried on 3 different Win pro platforms, 7 or 10, eng or localised no matter, it doesn't work. Topre support doesn't exist. Would expect more for the price.
can you game on it with out it breaking
it is mech, just uses rubber domes
So? Why do these arbitrary terms even matter? It really makes no difference. It is what it is, and that is all that matters. No classifications should impact anybody's opinion of it.
Topre rubber domes have more protection from dirt dust and water. Not saying its waterproof but provides an extra layer which could mean the difference when unplugging it after a spill. And they are rated at a lifetime of 50 million keystrokes compared to mechanical cherry mx 20 million. People find mechanical keyboards to be clearly superior to rubber domes, but in the case of topre alot of care was put into these keyboards and these rubber domes are not your average keyboard. The difference between mechanical and shit rubber dome is the difference between relaxation and arthritis. That's why these terms somewhat matter to someone who has knowledge in these things.
WTG Topre are very special Keyboard
hep does the apex m800 have custom keycaps?? (switch : QS1)
Nope, no that I've seen. No demand since there's not many out there.
TaeKeyboards oh thx
carefull with those, i orderd one before i switched to my blackwidow, got 3 duds, and because of it i was givien a $20 credit towards a diffrent keyboard. lol
can u do a fuhlen sm68
really looks like mid 1990's old Pentium-2 PC Keyboard, too bad vintage keyboard are not mechanical
Have you heard of IBM Model M. Pretty sure it vintage and mechanical.
lots of old keyboards are mechanical lol
most vintage keyboards are actually mechanical.
sm680r rgb ???
Would love to try these switches but 300$ nah we need that price go down to 150ish
You can get a leopold fc660c which is superior in sound and feel for like 220. Used for much less
Are there any topre keyboards that have an apple layout?
Hey there small bro realforce makes a Mac specific topre board. Check it out R2
Nice video, tae! I hate topre keyboards, but I appreciate the video nonetheless.
Why do you have Topre keyboards?
Can u try the ck104
Next time I get the opportunity I'll ask for it :)
is it possible to replace CAPS with CTRL ? can it be remapped?
I honestly do not see how these keyboards can be worth upwards of $300. I myself just purchased a Razer Ornata, adn LOVE the feeling, it clicks at the PERFECT point and just feels amazing. The tactile click/bump just puts the cherry on top. Plus the stealthy black design looks awesome. And last but not least, THE WRIST REST, hands down, the best feeling material I have ever felt. It is like your hands are sitting on clouds. I normally game for around 5-6 hours a day, and this wrist rest covers that. Not to mention the Chroma enabled RGB lights. This keyboard feels great and should be tried by anyone looking for a new experience. One last thing, it's a WHOLE LOT cheaper than the Topre switch boards, so that's pretty much a win win for me.
"Razer"
Point finger at him
"laughs"
*laughs*
The Razer Ornata seems gimmicky to some because its a mecha-membrane hybrid, but it really does feel very satisfying when typing. Better than any cherryMX switch i’ve used, thats for sure.
What's so funny? I don't get it.
Nordic layout?
can you please do something with a Steel Series Apex 350 keyboard? thanks
somebodyy!
Scrape. Scrape. Cheap. Scrape. That scrape is the sound of your hands taking 2 hours to type something that should have taken 1 hour to type.
Awesome review, but...
Tae means "poop" in my country's launguage.
I'm well aware :)
Lmao i just thought about it last night.
nice vid but i still don't see why people love these so much lol
because they are rare. It bestowes one with a sense of eliteness. If topre were mainstream it wouldnt have had this aura of epicness.
this is keyboard is like 1300 dollars right now
ohhhhhh 35g
The most expensive rubber domes
Sounds a bit scratchy and sloppy tho
It's topre what do you expect
Lube them the.
@@thikboi6074 what
@@foreverwewin lubed topre doesn’t sound scratchy
@@thikboi6074 okay bud
- 300$
- rubber domes
- :)🔫
11:24 at that price point it can never be made well enough.
So you are an extreme keyboard lover and you can't type? What?
WPM is what counts, I use my index, middle and ring fingers for most keys, pinkies for a few others like tab, etc. and thumbs for just the space bar, and I can pull 100 WPM just fine, home row is just a nice standard but not what determines if you can type or not.
I know but it it is still ironic!
Well, although I agree that keyboards are for typing, people don't buy them purely to type on.
I am a Mechanical Engineer, and I love most things that has mechanical elements in them. I buy a DSLR because it has a mechanical shutter mechanism (eventually fell in love with photography as well), and so mech keyboard...
Wrist health is more important. Correct typing technique will minimize the amount of wrist movements needed for fingers to reach certain keys allow you to type longer with less pain and less chance for carpal related injuries.
Why would 1 pay $200+ for a glorified rubber dome board?
Not to start a flame war here, but good lordie, I hope they feel better than they sound. They *sound* dead, like disappointing keyboards with MX Brown and Matias Quiet Click switches I've used in the past. I'd hate to waste $250 on one just to be disappointed by the feel.
7:42 speech impediment
looks very ugly
FragaracGaming just like me
It looks classy kiddo, now get back to your Razer flashy kiddie toy.
Leopold and hhkb look way better than this. That huge top bezel doesn't look that good, and it's the only thing that kept me away from buying one of these. It's unfortunate that there is no 55 gram Leopold or hhkb out there.
cryohellinc no not really, just looks kinda dated. Something more simplistic would look much nicer in my opinion, or at least something a bit less, old...
@@rax2973 Now you got your wishes with the newer versions and people like me are sad :( The one in the video looks classic and very good. The new ones like any other modern generic keyboard out there.
They really should work more with bezels and stuff these days, give the keyboards some character. Most keyboards today looks like a mess, no negative space at all.