Genuinely curious how many other people have static shock issues. I’ve yet to hear about it outside of this channel. JYMV’s getting this Palpatine effect and just blasting his boards somehow lmao
I don't have this issue in my office, but I have it all the time at home in the winter when I turn up the heat. After breaking a PCB, I bought a humidifer and these small keychain static dischargers
5:43 With qmk you can actually set one of your keys to use something called "Magic Keycodes" which are keycodes that allows you to swap the position of certain keys. So with a click of a button you can swap the position of "WIN/CMD" and "ALT/OPTION". Your board may need to be using a relatively newer qmk firmware for the keycode to work. Which can easily be done if you just flash ur board with a newer compile qmk firmware.
This video is my first time hearing about the static shock issue and it's possibly the missing reason behind my keyboards requiring a reconnect intermittently.
Been around for agest this issue, happened a lot on boards without ESD protection. For the value of some customs they should come with it without question.
After owning customs of all sizes, layouts, mounting styles, plate and switch combos, I spend almost 40hrs of my working hours with my RF2 and choose to have no other. I have started imagining my Topre boards to be like the Honda's / Toyota's that I'd use to commute to work and meet clients etc. while the customs are the Project Cars that I use only when I'm not working.
You should give them Haimu Silent switches a try, they use a different kind of silencing method (instead of the usual squishy rubber/silicone) that may not be as silent as "complete silence" but dampens out the sound without feeling overly mushy. Haimu silent switches includes: _ Haimu Heartbeat (Linear) - Haimu Whisper (Tactile) - Haimu Seasalt Lemon Silent (Linear) - Haimu x Geon Silent Red (Linear) - Haimu x Geon Silent Yellow (Tactile) - Wuque Studio WS Silent Linear - Wuque Studio WS Silent Tactile Personally, I after trying out the WS Silent Linear/Tactile, I do feel like the silencing seemed to be working better on the Tactiles. Silent enough without the mush (coming from Boba U4)
Most of these problems were overcome with just getting a tiger 80 light. The TKL so you'll have all the functionality you need, and it's a plastic case so you won't get shocked.
Can't agree more, the quality varies so much in the custom world. PCBs have caused me so many issues in the last year due, going forward I will only be buying boards with universal PCBs which are easily accessible. I might even just head back to a regular apple keyboard for work.
I’m biased because the hhkb is my favorite board ever, but I have NEVER seen anybody have any issues with them in the past. Might be worth checking out if you want something bulletproof.
@@JonnyJonvilleJonathan From my personally experience, Hhkbs last a lifetime. I’ve had mine since 2019 and it still works like brand new, I do fully open it up and clean it/re-lube it every 4 months. And from what I’ve seen from others, sim of their hhkbs are over 10 years old and are still going strong.
This video is like a car guy explaining why he owns an unmodified Toyota Camry - he's not gonna be enthusiastic about this, but it sure as hell gets the job done.
All fair, but have you tried Haimu Whisper Silents? They’re the only silent tactiles I’ve found that manages to avoid the mush. Those in a simple board (in my case a cheapo KBD67) have been completely bulletproof for the office setting.
That pretty much sums up my experience as well. I have a couple of hundred dollars spent on keyboards and it's . . .fun. It's important tor remember that custom keebs are hobby. When it's time to do work or when reliability matters, the hhkb comes out. My only regret is that the spring tension for the hhkb pro2 is intense compared to most linears.
In your former reviews you said that leopold is a better topre experience than hhkb, what changed, why do you think differently now? Trying do decide which one to get hhkb or leopold.
@@a.whyattmann5057yup the leopold topre boards got discontinued and go for ~300-400 USD on the used market. I just bought an HHKB pro 2 for 160. Better deals out there but it was spec’d nicely and decently aged. Just gonna lube the stabs and keep it stock feeling.
5:43 interesting, i switch between Mac and Windows (i WFH and my work computer is a mac) but I keep my keyboard layout as is on both. I use the Mac/Unix layout with GUI/Cmd/Win to immediately next to Space, then Alt/Option then Ctrl. I say interesting because looking around at keyboards and some that are marketed for compatibility to both even have switches that let you swap between Space-Gui-Alt and Space-Alt-GUI...doesn't that mess with your muscle memory having to swap the keys like that?
My favourite silent switches are Cherry Silent stems with Gateron Box Ink housings. The housings are for smoothness and low leaf noise, cherry silent stems are my favourite because they consistently dampen the sound(no matter the angle of keypress) and never stick to the top housing. The feel is ok for me, not too mushy, but soft boards will definitely make the switches feel too mushy. Quite curious what you would think of this combo
I find that I'm in a similar boat, though, I've always held HHKB in a higher regard than JVMV (if I buy a 60 percent, it has to be HHKB format). Customs are nice, but often times are really embellished and irreplaceable. For example, HHKB is portable and always readily stocked if for some reason I break mines (never did btw). My Sangeo65 is heavier and not privy to movement (it has a weight for a reason) and the fact that I cannot get the board anymore from the first party means that I am afraid to move it in the first place or expose it to anything than my clean home desk. Its a recreational item, work doesn't get done on it. HHKB is a great tool, just not the best "Experience" possible.
Upstroke silencing rings on a non-TypeS I find turns it into almost a Linear, which I LOVE. I actually think the Type-S that I have is much worse than the non-typeS that I silenced.
All of the same exact reasons I use the HHKB pro2 since 2017 as a daily driver (yeah, some 1 or 2 months here and there trying other stuff, but always defaulting to HHKB). I never got shocked, but I had customs that need to be unplugged and plugged every other day, maybe that was the reason.
To my knowledge, only Matias Reds and Gazzew U4 switches are good silent traditional mech switches - at least stock (Aliaz dampened sliders in JWICK tactile housings are fine, but require consumption of time)-; rest are either mushy or rough feeling. After a while of daily driving a bunch of different boards, HHKB has really become the "just works" keyboard for me, with the extra USB ports being useful for if I need expansion (say for a numpad or something).
I was watching this video for second time since JYMV made such great video. At 4:52 I was literally crying from laughing. Plz come back and make more great vids.
I think something like the tiger80 lite with all foam and some more quiet switches like gateron box inks would also serve your use case quite good since it fells amazing sounds nice and not so loud and its out of abs plastic so it Don’t suffers from the electro shock issue
I can't say I have ever even thought, much less had to worry about, static shocks when using keyboards. Honestly kinda weird. Glad you found a solution though.
I have tried couple keyboards and personally I have just stuck with Keychron K2 v2 with red switches. It's popular brand and popular model. And as hybrid user 75% is only layout I would use, since it has everything you need in compact layout and it's essentially same as laptop so you have consistency. Function keys are really common in some games, software etc. And it's just quite nice to have that F row as media keys, Function keys, or maybe for assigning macros or something. And frankly I just need my F5. Only reason for more compact layout is if you actually need extra space for mouse movement as pro fps gamer or something. And I have personally never encountered or heard about static issues, at very least not anything that has affected electronics.
This was the most shocking discovery for me after years into the hobby - how freaking unreliable custom keyboards are! Now for me not only ESD is a must, but a hotswap MCU as well, because oh boi those are a bitch to replace.
Good old reliable. This is why businesses around the world have been using Topre since the 80's, if you need a keyboard that works flawlessly 100% of the time there is no substitute.
the next silent switch you should try are the Lichicx silent switches. it has three types: a linear, a tactile with a small bump and one with a big bump. Ive had it on my keyboard for a while and I love it. I hate mushy silent switches as well and out of all the silent switches I tried these are the least mushy.
I really like my split board. I feel that I have to wait for someone to make a board with the new mx low profile switches. they seem to be silent enough. I wish I could make a custom board with these switches or at least one with fully custom keybindings.
There was the osav2 but the group buy ended a long time ago. There might be a v3 in a couple of years? But as far as I know there really hasn’t been much talk for a v3 on their discord.
@@rherbm Hear me out: thock is overrated. Plus the Haimu switches are dirt cheap, talking $27 for 90 of them or $33 for 110 of them, although they definitely require lubing.
Why do they hike get so many bad reviews than? Oh md I have 2 custom keyboards one for 2 years no issues and a second I just got and been using for 2 weeks no issues yet
After buying and using the Pok3r for a month, I immediately knew what my "endgame" keyboard would look like. It took me a while of experimenting with different parts to get there - but I eventually did. I have a 60% custom (like a custom custom, not an off the shelf "custom") keyboard with my own keymap, kailh box silents, and a wooden case to eliminate the risk of static shock. And I *had to* go with a custom build, because virtually no manufacturer offers a 60% layout with split right shift. I have a box of spare parts, like switches or pre-flashed PCBs in case of a catastrophic failure, and a fully built spare for double the safety. The keyboard is a work tool. First and foremost it needs to be an extension of yourself, so that you can input whatever you need without even thinking about it. I am kinda surprised by the direction this hobby took, it seems the new motto is "thock over function".
I use a happy hacker lite from 89 it has a Ps/2 Female To Usb Male Converter, & a bunch of cigarette burns in it from the 90s to the mid 2000s cause I was a horrible, horrible chain smoker😅 regardless it’s the best keyboard ever. I say this, as a guy who has to build a fair amount of “custom keyboards” for gamers who have too much money. You say your key strokes are smooth when I would say that my old 80s one is very much close to a MX cherry brown feel. I get no end of shit for the appearance from other techs but they’re mostly rocking those Epomaker keyboards with the tiny display 😂🤷♂️ so they conceit to the fact that my keyboard just feels better. It’s all subjective though ❤
Realforce is definitely stiffer. Personally my preference at the desk. I travel with hhkb. Hhkb is softer feeling overall but realforce is smoother and has less wobble / need for silencing
My HHKB became my daily because it arrived faster than the nearly 2 years for my customs to ship
Genuinely curious how many other people have static shock issues. I’ve yet to hear about it outside of this channel. JYMV’s getting this Palpatine effect and just blasting his boards somehow lmao
I don't have this issue in my office, but I have it all the time at home in the winter when I turn up the heat. After breaking a PCB, I bought a humidifer and these small keychain static dischargers
"palpatine effect" 🤣
Yeah I've literally never shocked a board before lol
The first custom I got was a kbdlite and the pcb died on me one day. Pretty frustrating
I have zapped a few LED's in my days
As a topre and hhkb diehard I got my hopes up that you had converted. I should have known better.
5:43 With qmk you can actually set one of your keys to use something called "Magic Keycodes" which are keycodes that allows you to swap the position of certain keys. So with a click of a button you can swap the position of "WIN/CMD" and "ALT/OPTION".
Your board may need to be using a relatively newer qmk firmware for the keycode to work. Which can easily be done if you just flash ur board with a newer compile qmk firmware.
This video is my first time hearing about the static shock issue and it's possibly the missing reason behind my keyboards requiring a reconnect intermittently.
Been around for agest this issue, happened a lot on boards without ESD protection. For the value of some customs they should come with it without question.
After many years of wasting my time with keyboards, HHKB is the only survivor.
After owning customs of all sizes, layouts, mounting styles, plate and switch combos, I spend almost 40hrs of my working hours with my RF2 and choose to have no other.
I have started imagining my Topre boards to be like the Honda's / Toyota's that I'd use to commute to work and meet clients etc. while the customs are the Project Cars that I use only when I'm not working.
Get a Type-S. It's quieter with the same feel. So nice.
im so glad famous youtuber jymv uploaded!
You should give them Haimu Silent switches a try, they use a different kind of silencing method (instead of the usual squishy rubber/silicone) that may not be as silent as "complete silence" but dampens out the sound without feeling overly mushy.
Haimu silent switches includes:
_ Haimu Heartbeat (Linear)
- Haimu Whisper (Tactile)
- Haimu Seasalt Lemon Silent (Linear)
- Haimu x Geon Silent Red (Linear)
- Haimu x Geon Silent Yellow (Tactile)
- Wuque Studio WS Silent Linear
- Wuque Studio WS Silent Tactile
Personally, I after trying out the WS Silent Linear/Tactile, I do feel like the silencing seemed to be working better on the Tactiles. Silent enough without the mush (coming from Boba U4)
I love Haimu Heartbeat. The Haimu Whisper however, unfortunately has an annoying popping upstroke sound
@@jumplifyWhich Haimu exactly do you main: Seasalt lemon or silent red?
Topre goated
real
JYMV goated
Most of these problems were overcome with just getting a tiger 80 light. The TKL so you'll have all the functionality you need, and it's a plastic case so you won't get shocked.
Also it’s full of foam so you don’t need silent switches
Can't agree more, the quality varies so much in the custom world. PCBs have caused me so many issues in the last year due, going forward I will only be buying boards with universal PCBs which are easily accessible. I might even just head back to a regular apple keyboard for work.
I’m biased because the hhkb is my favorite board ever, but I have NEVER seen anybody have any issues with them in the past. Might be worth checking out if you want something bulletproof.
@@JonnyJonvilleJonathan From my personally experience, Hhkbs last a lifetime. I’ve had mine since 2019 and it still works like brand new, I do fully open it up and clean it/re-lube it every 4 months.
And from what I’ve seen from others, sim of their hhkbs are over 10 years old and are still going strong.
This video is like a car guy explaining why he owns an unmodified Toyota Camry - he's not gonna be enthusiastic about this, but it sure as hell gets the job done.
All fair, but have you tried Haimu Whisper Silents? They’re the only silent tactiles I’ve found that manages to avoid the mush. Those in a simple board (in my case a cheapo KBD67) have been completely bulletproof for the office setting.
That pretty much sums up my experience as well. I have a couple of hundred dollars spent on keyboards and it's . . .fun. It's important tor remember that custom keebs are hobby. When it's time to do work or when reliability matters, the hhkb comes out. My only regret is that the spring tension for the hhkb pro2 is intense compared to most linears.
In your former reviews you said that leopold is a better topre experience than hhkb, what changed, why do you think differently now? Trying do decide which one to get hhkb or leopold.
Bump
I can't even find f660c's anymore or whatever the tkl style topre leopold is called
@@a.whyattmann5057yup the leopold topre boards got discontinued and go for ~300-400 USD on the used market. I just bought an HHKB pro 2 for 160. Better deals out there but it was spec’d nicely and decently aged. Just gonna lube the stabs and keep it stock feeling.
Even my good old ReDragon keyboard is pretty loud. If I had a job, my manager would cook me for using it if nearby co-workers get mad.
YoU takE thAt BaCk! TOPRE HHKB IS LIFE
5:43 interesting, i switch between Mac and Windows (i WFH and my work computer is a mac) but I keep my keyboard layout as is on both. I use the Mac/Unix layout with GUI/Cmd/Win to immediately next to Space, then Alt/Option then Ctrl. I say interesting because looking around at keyboards and some that are marketed for compatibility to both even have switches that let you swap between Space-Gui-Alt and Space-Alt-GUI...doesn't that mess with your muscle memory having to swap the keys like that?
My favourite silent switches are Cherry Silent stems with Gateron Box Ink housings. The housings are for smoothness and low leaf noise, cherry silent stems are my favourite because they consistently dampen the sound(no matter the angle of keypress) and never stick to the top housing. The feel is ok for me, not too mushy, but soft boards will definitely make the switches feel too mushy. Quite curious what you would think of this combo
Life of Pablo looking thumbnail, certified wavy 🌊🌊🌊
Silent switches are lit though
I find that I'm in a similar boat, though, I've always held HHKB in a higher regard than JVMV (if I buy a 60 percent, it has to be HHKB format).
Customs are nice, but often times are really embellished and irreplaceable. For example, HHKB is portable and always readily stocked if for some reason I break mines (never did btw). My Sangeo65 is heavier and not privy to movement (it has a weight for a reason) and the fact that I cannot get the board anymore from the first party means that I am afraid to move it in the first place or expose it to anything than my clean home desk. Its a recreational item, work doesn't get done on it.
HHKB is a great tool, just not the best "Experience" possible.
Do you have any custom mechs made in the last year, from mid-size manufacturers? They are a lot less jank.
That scuffed intro got me pretty good.
Upstroke silencing rings on a non-TypeS I find turns it into almost a Linear, which I LOVE. I actually think the Type-S that I have is much worse than the non-typeS that I silenced.
How do you deal with static shocks then on custom? Never shocked my keyboard before but I think its a topic that we should know about.
ESD
No sound test? 😥
is it the end of your youtube journey? (asking seriously)
Im exactly the opposite and i love the mushy bottom out of silent switches, ive used them in my main split keyboard and ive been loving it so far.
I was wondering if you've tried the wuque studio silent switches. They don't use a dampening rubber but a cut slit on the stem itself
I have the WS grey silent tactiles and I love them
All of the same exact reasons I use the HHKB pro2 since 2017 as a daily driver (yeah, some 1 or 2 months here and there trying other stuff, but always defaulting to HHKB). I never got shocked, but I had customs that need to be unplugged and plugged every other day, maybe that was the reason.
To my knowledge, only Matias Reds and Gazzew U4 switches are good silent traditional mech switches - at least stock (Aliaz dampened sliders in JWICK tactile housings are fine, but require consumption of time)-; rest are either mushy or rough feeling. After a while of daily driving a bunch of different boards, HHKB has really become the "just works" keyboard for me, with the extra USB ports being useful for if I need expansion (say for a numpad or something).
3:39 what slippers are those i saw another youtuber with em they must be good
Haimu whispers bro all I use in my epomaker 96LS - absolutely perfect for the office and still feel great
What is the thing you have on your desk with all your cables plugged in to?
I was watching this video for second time since JYMV made such great video. At 4:52 I was literally crying from laughing. Plz come back and make more great vids.
I miss you and Taekeyboards
I think something like the tiger80 lite with all foam and some more quiet switches like gateron box inks would also serve your use case quite good since it fells amazing sounds nice and not so loud and its out of abs plastic so it
Don’t suffers from the electro shock issue
Topre **is** cool though. I love the feel and the thock.
I can't say I have ever even thought, much less had to worry about, static shocks when using keyboards. Honestly kinda weird. Glad you found a solution though.
Haimu heartbeats?
Tried hhkb for the first time at a meetup a while ago. Shit felt really nice.
what slippers do you have on at 3:42
I can't believe their flagship model is now a mechanical/non-Topre design. Goodbye HHKB.
those desk clamp usb hubs are OP
I feel like for the amount of money you've spent on HHKB keyboards you are an official fan, but like, in a mid way. Like the Dilbert of fans.
I have tried couple keyboards and personally I have just stuck with Keychron K2 v2 with red switches. It's popular brand and popular model. And as hybrid user 75% is only layout I would use, since it has everything you need in compact layout and it's essentially same as laptop so you have consistency. Function keys are really common in some games, software etc. And it's just quite nice to have that F row as media keys, Function keys, or maybe for assigning macros or something. And frankly I just need my F5.
Only reason for more compact layout is if you actually need extra space for mouse movement as pro fps gamer or something.
And I have personally never encountered or heard about static issues, at very least not anything that has affected electronics.
This was the most shocking discovery for me after years into the hobby - how freaking unreliable custom keyboards are! Now for me not only ESD is a must, but a hotswap MCU as well, because oh boi those are a bitch to replace.
Good old reliable.
This is why businesses around the world have been using Topre since the 80's, if you need a keyboard that works flawlessly 100% of the time there is no substitute.
You need a Hasu controller for that. Or you could run Autohotkey or Karabiner (depending on platform).
did you just mention all but the king of silents, the boba u4?
lol i think you may wanna invest in a humidifier
the next silent switch you should try are the Lichicx silent switches. it has three types: a linear, a tactile with a small bump and one with a big bump. Ive had it on my keyboard for a while and I love it. I hate mushy silent switches as well and out of all the silent switches I tried these are the least mushy.
What about the Leopold FC660C?
Have you ever picked up an MX Mechanical Mini?
Try the Lucy silent linears from divinikeys. I think they really don't suck.
Try TTC Frozens~! Very similar to "Topre" feeling on MX style switch~ (Though it's linear, can't explain the feel until you try it!)
I really like my split board. I feel that I have to wait for someone to make a board with the new mx low profile switches. they seem to be silent enough. I wish I could make a custom board with these switches or at least one with fully custom keybindings.
HHKB split board would be the end-game!
Have you tried the nightcall silents yet?
Gateron holy pandas my friend. Tactile with a creamy sound. I use these at work on my zoom tkl that has flex cuts. Great for office use.
Reject customs return to Topre
Yooo $2.00 up-charge for a fried egg is criminal.
I think you're just too cool to admit you love a rubber dome keyboard as you think it will make you a "normie."
Does anyone know if there is an alice (or alice-ish) board that I can use topre on?
There was the osav2 but the group buy ended a long time ago.
There might be a v3 in a couple of years? But as far as I know there really hasn’t been much talk for a v3 on their discord.
for research purpose, what is the name of that alice board?
I heard gateron gecko doesn't feel mushy
people actually destryo their keyboards be having a light electrical discharge?
You have to try the new wuque studio silent switches and the niz EC boards.
Have you tried Haimu heartbeat silent switches? They are silent switches without the mushy feel. Truly awesome.
But they can't thock 🥺
@@rherbm Hear me out: thock is overrated.
Plus the Haimu switches are dirt cheap, talking $27 for 90 of them or $33 for 110 of them, although they definitely require lubing.
Great video. Still never shocked any of my boards lol
Why this over an FC660C?
Why do they hike get so many bad reviews than? Oh md I have 2 custom keyboards one for 2 years no issues and a second I just got and been using for 2 weeks no issues yet
liked the video immediately with that intro
After buying and using the Pok3r for a month, I immediately knew what my "endgame" keyboard would look like. It took me a while of experimenting with different parts to get there - but I eventually did.
I have a 60% custom (like a custom custom, not an off the shelf "custom") keyboard with my own keymap, kailh box silents, and a wooden case to eliminate the risk of static shock. And I *had to* go with a custom build, because virtually no manufacturer offers a 60% layout with split right shift.
I have a box of spare parts, like switches or pre-flashed PCBs in case of a catastrophic failure, and a fully built spare for double the safety.
The keyboard is a work tool. First and foremost it needs to be an extension of yourself, so that you can input whatever you need without even thinking about it. I am kinda surprised by the direction this hobby took, it seems the new motto is "thock over function".
Time to try the gateron gecko switches
i love my HHKB type s to death an i refuse to use anything else
Omg. I adore my silent switches. Dang dude.
I have nicer keyboards that I can type faster with but keep finding myself doing the same and daily driving a modded and lubed HHKB Hybrid.
Jenny nicholson mentioned 🗿
I use a happy hacker lite from 89
it has a Ps/2 Female To Usb Male Converter, & a bunch of cigarette burns in it from the 90s to the mid 2000s cause I was a horrible, horrible chain smoker😅 regardless it’s the best keyboard ever. I say this, as a guy who has to build a fair amount of “custom keyboards” for gamers who have too much money. You say your key strokes are smooth when I would say that my old 80s one is very much close to a MX cherry brown feel. I get no end of shit for the appearance from other techs but they’re mostly rocking those Epomaker keyboards with the tiny display 😂🤷♂️ so they conceit to the fact that my keyboard just feels better. It’s all subjective though ❤
Hmm, never had this problem. You are probably thor. :p
i should try out a hhkb since i really like the typing feel of a realforce r2 pfu
Realforce is definitely stiffer. Personally my preference at the desk. I travel with hhkb. Hhkb is softer feeling overall but realforce is smoother and has less wobble / need for silencing
my pro2 is the best keyboard i ever used
Langosh Extensions
Get a Pro 2, brah. The key feel is peak Topre.
Jerrell Route
Leffler Curve
Conroy Extensions
Jarvis Estates
McLaughlin Shoal
Guido Throughway
Napoleon Shoals
Gutkowski Plaza
Lockman Crossing
Have been using one of these for years. For programming it's perfect.
Runolfsdottir Path
Howell Landing
Darius Wells
Rosenbaum Lock