Please don't take this as me being picky. I have some facts to share and have only watched the first 10 mins. RM Nixon was president in 1970, not Lyndon Johnson as shown in video, Pacific Zip was a domestic intermodal mail train (Zip for Zip Code), it did not handle maritime containers and domestic trailers do not move on ships, CNW did not "cash in" on PRB coal - Western Railroad Properties Inc (WRPI) funded by Union Pacific provided the cash for CNW's portion of the Joint Line in the Basin, later owned by UP outright when it acquired CNW, MILW was never a viable competitor to BN in the PNW as they were the last to build to the Pacific and were left with the worst route and that had essentially no on line traffic, when MILW abandoned the Pacific Extension west of Miles City MT it did not leave "BN as the only carrier" as Union Pacific did and currently operates in OR, WA, ID and MT. I worked for BN in PRB operations, marketing and network strategy groups 1978 - 1984 and was there when some parts of this video occurred. Nice graphics and otherwise well done. Many thanks!
@@HighIron I've been working for railroads since my shoreline days back in 1976. My years at BN were amongst the best. Great organization, excellent franchise, nice place to work and fantastic people. I miss them and the company. BN moved to Fort Worth in 1984 and I was offered a job in marketing at Conrail and I joined big blue for 14 years in marketing until the sale to CSX/NS. Take care and be well. (funny story for you: the BN HQ at 176 E Fifth St was a building built at two C shaped buildings built around 1910 and joined by a common wall. NP HQ was on one side, GN HQ was on the other. At BN merger, the dividing wall was removed and the building become one. You could tell which side of the building you were on by the rest rooms. NP side had men's and ladies rooms, the GN side only had mens rooms)
MILW couldve been very competitive to BN, especially in the modern era. If they had demanded more concessions from the BN merger the Pacific Extension could've done much better. If the pacific extension had made it into the late 80s and 90s when intermodal trains started to pick up, it would've been one of the fastest intermodal routes in the country.
@@jdp..1716 the Milwaukee Road could have merged with the Chicago & Northwestern or into the Burlington Northern which invited them to join, but the Milwaukee didn’t. I do agree with your comment on what you said about the Milwaukee Road.
Bad news about the Montana Rail Link (MRL): BNSF Railway has reclaimed the former MRL lines in Washington, Idaho, and Montana. BNSF will call the MRL's trackage the BNSF MRL Subdivision. In addition, BNSF has acquired the MRL brand-name, so MRL will become a fallen flag railroad, soon to become the latest railroad to merge into the BNSF Railway. All MRL equipment will move to the Southern Railway of British Columbia (SRY) in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
So I don’t want to seem like a know it all here but at 13:52 that’s a Boeing 737 not a 747. Boeing 747’s are FAR to big to carry on flat cars. Just something I noticed.
Yes, and those fuselages go to Renton, not Everett. The fact that narrow-body jets are so popular and can be carried by train before the wings are put on means we still mostly keep traveling by vehicles of that same narrow width.
SAY... I saw a video on Simple Flying about a BNSF derailment involving 737 fuselages. I find it quite ironic that an aerospace company heavily relies on a railroad.
I was sad to see the orange and green Great Northern livery go away. I didn't know GN and BN were owned by the same guy! Thanks for this informative video.
Everyone always forgets KCS when talking about Class 1 railroads! Being from Pittsburg, KS it’s my job to remind people 😀! Most of the traffic down KCS these days comes from BNSF and UP allot of powder river coal. We have a power plant about 10 miles out side of town that had a Frisco track running to it but back in the 90s they built a spur off of KCS when BNSF gave up the Parsons sub. Most of the Parsons sub became SEKR then WATCOs first short line. Today the Frisco parsons sub combined with part of the MOPAC is the SKOL
Great video on the Burlington Northern which is now BNSF. The Burlington Northern was always a favorite railroad of mine, so was the Santa Fe. Before the 1970 merger that became the Burlington Northern, the Great Northern was my most favorite railroad because of its emblem of the Mountain goat on top of a mountain peak. The Great Northern didn’t get any land grants at all. James J. Hill was very smart in having not only the Burlington, but the Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Spokane,Portland & Seattle,Colorado & Southern and the Fort Worth & Denver railroads under his ownership and paved the way for the 1970 merger into he Burlington Northern.
I remember driving west of Butte MT in 1979 and they were tearing up the Milwaukee Road tracks and it had many light poles along the tracks. I though some local told me the train would "charge" the power going down hill and then use the power to pull the hill. You can still see the route going over Homestake Pass from Interstate 90 in spots.
This filled in alot of blanks for me, I grew up in a small town on the banks of the Mississippi River that was a railroad choakpoint. They all ran through there. A childhood dream for me.
At 7:04, the Clean Air Act regulated sulfur dioxide, not carbon dioxide. Eastern coal tends to have more sulfur than Western coal, which made the Powder River Basin boom and pushed the Appalachians even further down.
That was the reason why in 1995 in Grand Island, Nebraska that BN completed the flyover over the Union Pacific Transcontinental line in the eastern part of the city.
Love these High Iron videos so much. Just awesome graphics. Who cares about some "picky" details? The purpose of these videos is to provide enjoyment and general information for lovers of railroads. In that, High Iron succeeds marvously. Thank you .
This was a fascinating documentary. Not many folks cover American railroading history in the post-WWII era in great detail. Special thumbs up to the masterful filming done in Trainz; I often go back and forth on which sim is best for this sort of filmmaking, Trainz or Railworks/Train Simulator. I think in the end it comes down to 1. which has more relevant assets, particularly rolling stock, available, and 2. which the filmmaker can work with better. I would love to see more of these sorts of documentaries in future, covering in detail aspects and periods of railroading in the US and abroad that have gone largely overlooked. If I may put forward a request to add to the no doubt lengthy to-do list: The Rise and Fall of the Electric Interurbans.
Wow, this is great, creative intro to BNRR! I moved to Minnesota a few years ago. Originally from Kentucky, L&N country- L&N was one of 13 rail lines in all, including B&O and C&O, that eventually became CSX Transportation over the course of 20 years. It seems BNRR was shorter and simpler.
He's half right, 737 fuselages, and large components for the 747, 767, and 777. www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsList.aspx?id=TBCX (First 3 numbers tell you what class of aircraft the car is designed to carry parts for.)
Could you give me some advice? My dad (BN conductor) got some lockers out of a small depot they were tearing down. And they had 2 cases of BN railway “yard card” in one of them. I have them now but I’ve got no idea what to do with them. I think I’ve got about 1000 of them. I’d like them to go to a good home.
Correct me if I am wrong, however I had read in Trains Magazines a number of articles on the Milwaukee Road. The main point I had read was that the "Bean Counters" made a major mistake in reporting twice the monies spent on the western portion of the railroad. I also believe they did not report the true amount of revenue dollars. Mis-management on the part of management. It amazes me to this day that the lines traveled from Washington State to Seymour Indiana, quite an accomplishment!
Also, you might think about correcting your AT&SF/BNSF route through New Mexico. After the race to Trinidad CO, Santa Fe ran a mainline to Waynoka, OK, then on to the town of Panhandle, TX, then Amarillo and Clovis. By 1910 SF had connected Clovis to Belen, NM and junctioned with the Raton route to provide a way around the steep pass. BNSF has completely stopped using it by now. The more southern route has been their preference for Chicago, KCK, to CA since intermodal traffic has been a thing. Use Google maps follow the trackage and you can tell not even Amtrak has gone to Raton from Santa Fe, NM. Wagonmound's sidings are grown over and the track leading into and out of the Raton Pass tunnel is grown over too. Interesting side note, drop pin at Vaughn, NM and follow the BNSF mainline SE out of town and you'll come across an old siding with a livestock chute and corral that used to be served by SF decades ago. It's a fun waste of time to use satellite view to explore sidings and industries that are current or historical.
When I first heard of Burlington Northern I thought it was just the Chicago Burlington and Quincy and Great Northern railroads I didn't know other railroads were merged too.
The original 1960 Clean Air Act only mandated studying the problems of air pollution. It was passed because the air in the large cities of New York, Chicago and Los Angeles had become unhealthy to breath. The 1970 amendment to the act did not address CO2 (carbon dioxide) emissions but carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, sulfur dioxide, particulate matter, hydrocarbons and photochemical oxidants. It took was the next amendment that addressed automotive tailpipe emissions, and would be a couple of decades before co2 was addressed. The initial effect actually helped BN as the sulphur requirements made Powder River's low sulphur coal in demand.
It's a shame they didn't keep the old brands when they all merged, similar to how British Airways and Iberia have merged but have distinct brands. SP, BN and SF looked great.
Please don't take this as me being picky. I have some facts to share and have only watched the first 10 mins. RM Nixon was president in 1970, not Lyndon Johnson as shown in video, Pacific Zip was a domestic intermodal mail train (Zip for Zip Code), it did not handle maritime containers and domestic trailers do not move on ships, CNW did not "cash in" on PRB coal - Western Railroad Properties Inc (WRPI) funded by Union Pacific provided the cash for CNW's portion of the Joint Line in the Basin, later owned by UP outright when it acquired CNW, MILW was never a viable competitor to BN in the PNW as they were the last to build to the Pacific and were left with the worst route and that had essentially no on line traffic, when MILW abandoned the Pacific Extension west of Miles City MT it did not leave "BN as the only carrier" as Union Pacific did and currently operates in OR, WA, ID and MT. I worked for BN in PRB operations, marketing and network strategy groups 1978 - 1984 and was there when some parts of this video occurred. Nice graphics and otherwise well done. Many thanks!
Thanks, and I'm glad that you enjoyed it. Comments like yours are what inspires me to keep digging deeper to get the facts right.
@@HighIron I've been working for railroads since my shoreline days back in 1976. My years at BN were amongst the best. Great organization, excellent franchise, nice place to work and fantastic people. I miss them and the company. BN moved to Fort Worth in 1984 and I was offered a job in marketing at Conrail and I joined big blue for 14 years in marketing until the sale to CSX/NS. Take care and be well. (funny story for you: the BN HQ at 176 E Fifth St was a building built at two C shaped buildings built around 1910 and joined by a common wall. NP HQ was on one side, GN HQ was on the other. At BN merger, the dividing wall was removed and the building become one. You could tell which side of the building you were on by the rest rooms. NP side had men's and ladies rooms, the GN side only had mens rooms)
MILW couldve been very competitive to BN, especially in the modern era. If they had demanded more concessions from the BN merger the Pacific Extension could've done much better. If the pacific extension had made it into the late 80s and 90s when intermodal trains started to pick up, it would've been one of the fastest intermodal routes in the country.
@@jdp..1716 the Milwaukee Road could have merged with the Chicago & Northwestern or into the Burlington Northern which invited them to join, but the Milwaukee didn’t. I do agree with your comment on what you said about the Milwaukee Road.
Wouldn't think you were being picky if you didnt describe EVERYTHING wrong.
Bad news about the Montana Rail Link (MRL): BNSF Railway has reclaimed the former MRL lines in Washington, Idaho, and Montana. BNSF will call the MRL's trackage the BNSF MRL Subdivision. In addition, BNSF has acquired the MRL brand-name, so MRL will become a fallen flag railroad, soon to become the latest railroad to merge into the BNSF Railway. All MRL equipment will move to the Southern Railway of British Columbia (SRY) in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
It was only a matter of time… unfortunately it seems like that time has come.
By the end of the year, MRL is going to become a fallen flag railroad.
@@justaP42DC☹️
It happened RIP MRL
Hey, this was made 4yrs ago. My complaint is, ATSF never ran the Super C over Raton pass.
"BNSF was a proverbial match made in heaven"
Every fan of BN or Santa Fe: _Sobbing_
Are we shipping railroads now? I think we're shipping railroads now.
@@Poisonturtle44 No not that kind of sobbing... I mean real, sad sobbing.
@@trainknut i thought it was scared sobbing like : wait, are they getting removed?
RIP SPSF Locos
@@pablotharpalo5685 remember folks “shouldn’t paint so fast”
I would love this same format in the Santa Fe railroad
True, at least they have a real history.
Yeah
Agreed
The name says it all
Agreed
“The train itself was an understatement. One locomotive and ten flat cars loaded with trailers.”
Me “you forgot the best part, the caboose”
So I don’t want to seem like a know it all here but at 13:52 that’s a Boeing 737 not a 747. Boeing 747’s are FAR to big to carry on flat cars. Just something I noticed.
On the flip side, adding these subtle inaccuracies on purpose shows that people actually do pay attention to what's being shown. Good eye. 😜
High Iron lol! Thanks!
Yes, and those fuselages go to Renton, not Everett. The fact that narrow-body jets are so popular and can be carried by train before the wings are put on means we still mostly keep traveling by vehicles of that same narrow width.
@@HighIron I saw a man who knows how TH-cam algorithme work lol!
SAY... I saw a video on Simple Flying about a BNSF derailment involving 737 fuselages.
I find it quite ironic that an aerospace company heavily relies on a railroad.
This was one of the most well put together videos that I have ever watched
I think the Industry would be more healthier if the ''Super 7'' era had stayed intact into today's times
Even though it's technically a success story, I can't help but get a little choked up thinking about the mergers of the late 90s.
Burlington Northern Green is probably my favorite locomotive livery of all time, with Chessie System and CSX YN2 following
Puke green..you have no taste
those are paint schemes / liveries, not locomotives
I was sad to see the orange and green Great Northern livery go away. I didn't know GN and BN were owned by the same guy! Thanks for this informative video.
Everyone always forgets KCS when talking about Class 1 railroads! Being from Pittsburg, KS it’s my job to remind people 😀! Most of the traffic down KCS these days comes from BNSF and UP allot of powder river coal. We have a power plant about 10 miles out side of town that had a Frisco track running to it but back in the 90s they built a spur off of KCS when BNSF gave up the Parsons sub. Most of the Parsons sub became SEKR then WATCOs first short line. Today the Frisco parsons sub combined with part of the MOPAC is the SKOL
In a while it could be merged to make the worlds largest T-pose as CN merges with it
@@TheWizardGamez Oh yeah, about that..... the president issued an Executive order which could hamper the chances of that happening.
@@TheWizardGamez hey, maybe you should change the N to a P. You can include an extra R after the P if you want.
Well KCS will probably be forgotten much more now that it doesn’t exist and is part of CP
@@patrickmartin3322 rather have it part of CP then CN 😀! You should have seen the uproar around here with the whole merger madness!
Extremely well done, more of a comprehensive history of railroading in the US for the last 50 years, much more than the title suggests. Kudos!
Great video on the Burlington Northern which is now BNSF. The Burlington Northern was always a favorite railroad of mine, so was the Santa Fe. Before the 1970 merger that became the Burlington Northern, the Great Northern was my most favorite railroad because of its emblem of the Mountain goat on top of a mountain peak. The Great Northern didn’t get any land grants at all. James J. Hill was very smart in having not only the Burlington, but the Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Spokane,Portland & Seattle,Colorado & Southern and the Fort Worth & Denver railroads under his ownership and paved the way for the 1970 merger into he Burlington Northern.
Well done, BN. You'll always be well remembered.
13:24 - That's my hometown, just 22-mi. Southwest of the Loop...!😄
This is probably the best thing you've made so far
I remember driving west of Butte MT in 1979 and they were tearing up the Milwaukee Road tracks and it had many light poles along the tracks. I though some local told me the train would "charge" the power going down hill and then use the power to pull the hill. You can still see the route going over Homestake Pass from Interstate 90 in spots.
This filled in alot of blanks for me, I grew up in a small town on the banks of the Mississippi River that was a railroad choakpoint. They all ran through there. A childhood dream for me.
At 7:04, the Clean Air Act regulated sulfur dioxide, not carbon dioxide. Eastern coal tends to have more sulfur than Western coal, which made the Powder River Basin boom and pushed the Appalachians even further down.
That was the reason why in 1995 in Grand Island, Nebraska that BN completed the flyover over the Union Pacific Transcontinental line in the eastern part of the city.
Love these High Iron videos so much. Just awesome graphics. Who cares about some "picky" details? The purpose of these videos is to provide enjoyment and general information for lovers of railroads. In that, High Iron succeeds marvously. Thank you .
Amazing video and very very underrated channel! Just one minor detail at the end, they’re 737 fuselages, not 747s.
i had toy trains as kid in iowa. all the locos in sets were santa fe. my town C&NW operated. so those were the 2 i knew about. I miss C&NW
11:59
Everyone: *Doing ok*
Norfolk Southern: Nope we are backwards
Hey Milwaukee road 532...i work around her quite often, even driven her once
This was a fascinating documentary. Not many folks cover American railroading history in the post-WWII era in great detail. Special thumbs up to the masterful filming done in Trainz; I often go back and forth on which sim is best for this sort of filmmaking, Trainz or Railworks/Train Simulator. I think in the end it comes down to 1. which has more relevant assets, particularly rolling stock, available, and 2. which the filmmaker can work with better.
I would love to see more of these sorts of documentaries in future, covering in detail aspects and periods of railroading in the US and abroad that have gone largely overlooked. If I may put forward a request to add to the no doubt lengthy to-do list: The Rise and Fall of the Electric Interurbans.
Bravo
Thanks for representing NS with GP38-2 #5207 running long hood forward.
Your attention to detail is appreciated.
Wow, this is great, creative intro to BNRR! I moved to Minnesota a few years ago. Originally from Kentucky, L&N country-
L&N was one of 13 rail lines in all, including B&O and C&O, that eventually became CSX Transportation over the course of 20 years. It seems BNRR was shorter and simpler.
13:52 I’m sorry but that’s incorrect. The fuselages are for the 737. If it was for the 747 it would have had another deck
Willing to bet it’s “Spoken Typo”
I was checking if anyone else noticed. The second I heard 747 I went directly to the comments.
Also I was reading through comments. He said he did it on purpose to see if anyone would notice
He's half right, 737 fuselages, and large components for the 747, 767, and 777. www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsList.aspx?id=TBCX (First 3 numbers tell you what class of aircraft the car is designed to carry parts for.)
@@thomasboese3793 cool. I didn't know they did that. I actually thought only Dreamlifters and UPS aircraft did that.
You and Amtrak Guy 365 make the best edited train videos I’ve seen
Jeez I’ve watched this like eight times now, it’s too good
Cool to see some of my models/content in this video!
Great video and very informative! Love the BN green and white, just gorgeous, up there with Chessie System! Keep up the good work!
Burlington Northern was a cool Railroad company 😎
Fascinating video
Do this format for more railroads!
Nice, I like the bn, this is what made me get my love for the nowadays bnsf railway and bn and ATSF
i love how at 11:42 you put ATSF 2964 in that shot, being Santa Fe's only GP40 they ever owned and was sadly wrecked
Now that was the BN Railroad Video I have seen in a long time I like that pure BN just before today's BNSF railroad of today
My old man retired from bnsf after being a conductor for 44 years. Lots of amazing story’s
We're a family...
The graphics were awesome. Loved the video.
Pretty awesome video. We will all miss the Burlington Northern. LJL
Love the music!
Pretty cool posting. My model train layout is all Burlington Northern, thanks for the video!!
Love the intro theam.
Rewatching this, just realized that the Penn Central scenes were filmed on the Dry Brook and Esopus Valley! Nice!
I live a little north of burlington. Lots of rich rail history up here!
Could you give me some advice? My dad (BN conductor) got some lockers out of a small depot they were tearing down. And they had 2 cases of BN railway “yard card” in one of them. I have them now but I’ve got no idea what to do with them. I think I’ve got about 1000 of them. I’d like them to go to a good home.
At 3:27 was that "I Dig a Pony"?
Please make more of these
Great vid as usual and it looks like bnsf ended up working out since they’ve been on top for almost 3 years
rj corman railroad company has been taking over a lot of branch lines and spur line east of the missippi
The old Burlington northerns used to go in my town, there’s a Burlington northern caboose on display at the old station!
The end of the era: So long Montana Rail Link
This is better than watching “Forrest Gump.” thanks 🚩
MRL has a great color. The old BN green locos were nice as well.
Really enjoyed this vid. Please do more!
2:04
I love how it just cuts to the 1970s, and everything is a mess
Hey high iron can you do a video about the Burlington route ? Love the work you do.
UP was scared of BN it's good to see great northern colors
Correct me if I am wrong, however I had read in Trains Magazines a number of articles on the Milwaukee Road. The main point I had read was that the "Bean Counters" made a major mistake in reporting twice the monies spent on the western portion of the railroad. I also believe they did not report the true amount of revenue dollars. Mis-management on the part of management.
It amazes me to this day that the lines traveled from Washington State to Seymour Indiana, quite an accomplishment!
I live within 200 yards of a BNSF line, that mostly sees coal from the west. Quite active seeing maybe a couple dozen trains a day some days.
13:35 No, only 737 fuselages are small enough to fit on cars, and they go to Renton, not Everett.
I never really thought about BN, I‘m not a fan of western roads, but now I like the odd green one. Great work 😇👍
Might want to update the part around 10:20 - Montana Rail Link's lease to BNSF is over.
Rest In Peace Montana Rail Link.
Also, you might think about correcting your AT&SF/BNSF route through New Mexico. After the race to Trinidad CO, Santa Fe ran a mainline to Waynoka, OK, then on to the town of Panhandle, TX, then Amarillo and Clovis. By 1910 SF had connected Clovis to Belen, NM and junctioned with the Raton route to provide a way around the steep pass. BNSF has completely stopped using it by now. The more southern route has been their preference for Chicago, KCK, to CA since intermodal traffic has been a thing. Use Google maps follow the trackage and you can tell not even Amtrak has gone to Raton from Santa Fe, NM. Wagonmound's sidings are grown over and the track leading into and out of the Raton Pass tunnel is grown over too. Interesting side note, drop pin at Vaughn, NM and follow the BNSF mainline SE out of town and you'll come across an old siding with a livestock chute and corral that used to be served by SF decades ago. It's a fun waste of time to use satellite view to explore sidings and industries that are current or historical.
Boy wouldn't have been amazing to have seen the big 2-8-8‐2s and 2-10-2s providing helper service over Raton Pass.
13:24 I live along that line
where did you get the route you used for the powder river basin scene?
Nice video. A village called Downers Grove in Illinois is in this video. You need to try Bertos.
wow you did an excellent job on the modeling, texturing, mapping, and scripting for this video! you should make a game!
Where did you get the routes?
Also how come you didn’t use the Marias pass 1950s on the DLS , or do you not have it
I don't understand the map where it shows a kansas city to st.louis route.It looks like it goes through Jefferson city.
Nice touch with the long hood forward on the high nose Norfolk Southern
Great video thank you
Aww yeah, DBEV route confirmed
Love it, that guy who made it is so detailed in his work
Ryan Rail You mean Approach Medium?
Would love to see a video of this format for Pennsylvania railroad/ penn central
When I first heard of Burlington Northern I thought it was just the Chicago Burlington and Quincy and Great Northern railroads I didn't know other railroads were merged too.
Do one of these but it’s on the ATSF that would be cool
I guess the locomotive that defines the BN really is an SD40-2, which, conveniently, is also my favorite diesel engine.
2:20 what's the song
thank you for great detail about USA one of the main railroad in detail video
Crazy how BNSF is now terminating the MRL's agreement.
Where did you get the GN/BN passenger stuff? I.E. the GN passenger cars and BN f units and passenger cars
Don't forget that Ferromex is also serving large heavy goods trains.
Fantastic video!
The original 1960 Clean Air Act only mandated studying the problems of air pollution. It was passed because the air in the large cities of New York, Chicago and Los Angeles had become unhealthy to breath.
The 1970 amendment to the act did not address CO2 (carbon dioxide) emissions but carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, sulfur dioxide, particulate matter, hydrocarbons and photochemical oxidants.
It took was the next amendment that addressed automotive tailpipe emissions, and would be a couple of decades before co2 was addressed. The initial effect actually helped BN as the sulphur requirements made Powder River's low sulphur coal in demand.
What a uplifting train story
anyone know what this song is? 12:39
3:47 what game, if it is, is this?
This was absolutely fascinating and a pleasure to watch. Excellent work, sir.
Great job on the video.. I love that road.. And i do love CB&Q and CONRAIL..
Amazing, truly amazing.
I’ve always been a huge fan of BNSF. amazing video.
What song did he use at end?
i like how when someone says something about Boeing's planes they say the 747 when it is not a 747 and when it is a 747 it is said as a 747
i grew up along the Hannibal Sub in St. Louis Country and used to see BN green all the time until the merger with ATSF. I miss BN green.
My model railroad, incorporates BN, as well, BN green, and ATSF red, and interchange
....Just an observation....At the 37sec mark, it looks like the SD40-2 #6383 is running with its locomotive brakes on
It's a shame they didn't keep the old brands when they all merged, similar to how British Airways and Iberia have merged but have distinct brands. SP, BN and SF looked great.