What's Left of Santa Fe Railway's Forgotten Past?
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The Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Railway, commonly known as the Santa Fe Railway, was chartered in 1859 to serve the rapidly expanding western United States. Its initial goal was to link Atchison and Topeka in Kansas with Santa Fe, New Mexico, facilitating commerce and settlement. Under the leadership of Cyrus K. Holliday and later William Barstow Strong, the railway expanded significantly, becoming one of the largest rail networks in the country. It played a crucial role in the development of the American Southwest, promoting tourism with its iconic Super Chief passenger train and fostering economic growth through freight services. In 1995, the Santa Fe Railway merged with the Burlington Northern Railroad to form the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF), one of the largest freight railroads in North America.
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Sorry, not working for me.
I already have it
I'd love for you to do a rise and fall of Southern Pacific video.
The engine is not a "Two Eighty". It is a "Two, Eight, Oh". That number schema represents the engine's wheel layout. Two leading wheels, eight drivers, and zero trailing wheels.
You're probably one of those Foamers.
Bruh, he’s just telling how it’s actually said
@@plymouth-hl20ton37most definitely
It’s two eight o. There’s no h in o.
@@Jason-rn4jkTechnically, it's two, eight, zero. O is a letter, zero is a number.
. . . Sorry, I couldn't resist. 😉🤣
It was "El Capitan," not "El Captain." In the 1950's I lived in a house very near the Santa Fe tracks in Cucamonga, California. I really enjoyed watching those trains zip by.
hopefully you don't live in that city now. I heard of two annoying people live there.
San Diegan, not San Diego.
Ah, the next stop past Anaheim and Azusa!
Burlington NorthERN. But good work, as always!!
Beat me to it 🙂
BN had the best logo!
Ryan, as you now know, railroad fans are a tough crowd, they certainly know their stuff. Regardless, this presentation was very enjoyable and informative. Wouldn't mind seeing you make this into a series that included other great railroads. Just be sure to have at least one or two RR fanatics preview it before it's released, haha! Keep up the good work!
Burlington NORTHERN Santa Fe......the UPRR was not about to let BN get away with buying the Santa Fe at a bargain basement price and proceeded to bid up the price of Santa Fe stock from something like $17 to over $100! UP wanted the Santa Fe too but it was happy to let the BN take it but at a much steeper price than the BN had counted on. All of the Santa Fe stockholders owe a debt of gratitude to the UP's management for not letting the BN steal the Santa Fe for pennies on the dollar. When that deal went down, the UP announced it was going to petition the government to allow it to convert its non-voting preferred shares of the CNW, which it had bought to prevent the CNW from being dismembered and destroyed by a buyout firm called Japonica Partners. UP's petition was granted and the UP swallowed up the CNW and shortly after, the Southern Pacific. It is ironic that the SP and UP were once owned by Harriman but he was forced to divest the SP by the federal government due to anti-trust concerns.
Sounds like I need to be hearing history more from you. Very nice, thank you.
Love those Kodachrome paint schemes they did, what a failed merger.
@@chuckythedoll4815 I only have that knowledge because I was working for the CNW as an engineer in Chicago and I kept on top of what was going on. We CNW employees viewed UP's intervention in saving the CNW from Japonica as a blessing and set us up for a take over or merger with the largest and richest RR in America, if not the world, the UPRR. If Japonica had gotten a hold of the CNW they would have looted it and sold it off piece by piece. As Bob Schmiege, then CEO of CNW, wrote to me in response to a letter I wrote to him, he said he was basically powerless since Japonica put the CNW in play with their hostile take over bid. The UP was not about to allow those yahoos at Japonica wreck the UP's main connection to Chicago and set about buying as much stock as it could (which I believe was later converted to non-voting preferred stock as a stipulation to assuage regulators concerns about anti-trust or what ever it was that troubled them) to block Japonica. And that's what happened. UP was eventually allowed to convert the preferred to common stock and vote the shares as it saw fit and then the take over of CNW followed soon after. All's well that ends well, right? We CNW employees dodged another bullet! For most of my career it seemed like CNW had one foot in the grave but thankfully the CNW had executives that had skin in the CNW and wanted it to succeed as a RR. They were NOT like that a-hole Jack Welch who only wanted to milk GE for capital and destroyed one of the greatest industrial manufacturers in American history. Corporate raiding was all the rage back then and Tribune financial columnist/reporter William Neikirk dubbed it "Nightmare On Wall Street" referring to all the LBOs that were destroying one company after another.
UP knew it wouldn’t get the Santa Fe. As you said, it just wanted to drive the price up (benefitted me). Same game Canadian National played by bidding up Kansas City Southern to make it more expensive for Canadian Pacific,
@@chuckythedoll4815 Barf!
The failed merger resulted in the dissolution of the ICC and the birth of the STB.
They ended up nearly choking themselves to death over both the CNW and SP. Both mergers showed the UP was not competent enough to expand. They had the money but not the wits to maneuver through a merger seamlessly like the CN-IC, BN-ATSF, CN-IC mergers.
Las Vegas, NM not Nevada
The original Las Vegas
Ryan, thank you for the history lesson about the "ATSF'! Great history there. That railroad was a real trailblazer.
One thing you can often ID an SF line by, is the style of road crossing. They used these super high quality concrete pads bordered with steel. They always stand out and we’re built to last forever. You can still see them all over on their old lines.
The Santa Fe imo was the greatest of all time US railroads. Everything from the sleek Warbonnets leading the Super Chief to the high priority intermodal speedsters of the 90s. It's so ingrained with the image of the southwest that not seeing a Santa Fe logo somewhere just doesn't seem right.
We may disagree on what "was the greatest of all time US railroads." However, I think we can agree the Santa Fe Railway and its logo are ingrained with the image of the Southwestern U.S. I rode the El Ca-pi-tan (which does mean Captain in Spanish) train more than once when I was a child. To me what was most impressive about the Santa Fe Ry. is the high level of passenger service they maintained until Amtrak.
Hey Ryan, I just wanted to let you know that you and one other TH-cam history channel have actually figured out how to make history interesting for me! I graduated likely well before you were born, but if my high school history teachers would have presented their lessons the way both of you do, my grades would have been far better! I've been subscribed for quite a long time now, and I have enjoyed every episode so far!
Thank you for the awesome content!
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On the plus side (I won't dwell on any more negatives), that's a great photo at the beginning of the El Ca-pi-tan (which does mean Captain in Spanish) Hi-level lounge car. I rode this train more than once when I was a child in both its standard and Hi-level versions. For me what is most impressive about the Santa Fe Railway was the high level of passenger service they maintained until Amtrak.
Burlington NORTHERN, not north. el capiTAN, not el captain. Also, ATSF made out like a bandit after the SPSF merger attempt, they ended up owning most of the non railroad properties from the SP.
It's Burlington Northern not Burlington North. Also the Greatest Railroad in the U.S. is ,( was ) , the Pennsylvania Railroad and as someone already comment, it's a 2-8-0 not a 280 engine. Go by wheel arrangement.
Another vote for the mighty Pennsy, RIP.
Go pennsy!!
Thank you, Ryan. Loved the old photos of San Diego's Depot. Great to see the famous Bekins warehouse, the two mission-style towers on the Depot and San Diego Gas & Electric's (SDG&E) generator, steam & trolley barn.
I absolutely love your videos. They've become a huge part of my days and have done a lot to improve my depression. Thank you so much. Some of your videos just like you've suggested have hit close to home.
Growing up in Chicago in the 1960's, we heard the nightly news, sponsored by the Santa Fe passenger division. I can hear the jingle clearly in my head, "🎶 On the Atchison, Topeka, and the Santa Fe" 🎶 I believe directly from the song.
My favorite railroad. Main line passed through my town west of Newton. Great Uncle Al ran the steamer back in the day. Rode . Nice trip Amtrak from Newton to Albuquerque and back in the 90's. Nice trip
I certainly remember the Sante Fe, and the Zephyr which I don't recall running with SF. My grandfather started out around Searsboro IA in the Roundhouse, moving up to a fireman then an engineer and onto a road crew. He ended up in Los Angeles working for SP but on Pacific Electric, working in the repair facilities. I have his certificate from Baldwin Locomotive for a Fireman and then an Engineer from 1903. Love the RR history, country wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for the RR. Great video, loved it.
Burlington Northern Santa Fe. Burlington from the Burlington Route railroad, Northern from Great Northern and Northern Pacific, and Santa Fe from the Atchison Topeka and Santa Fe.
Thanks for the video! My third great grandfather was president of ATSF for most of the 1880s.
Santa Fe is beyond iconic. Featured in songs, films, even Walt Disney drew inspiration for his scaled down Disneyland trains (one of which used to be a freight).
Another great video, Ryan. Thanks.
Really enjoy your videos especially railroad history.
Great effort, Ryan. I knew this one was going to be a tough one as railfans can be quite difficult.
15:35 The Super C. Chicago to LA in 40hrs. Sante Fe was reluctant to give up the Super Chief as it was so somewhat profitable at the time. Their mainline is still rigged for 90mph for most of the run.
Ryan -I appreciate your wanting to share railroad history, but you give away your novice status, as others have noted when you refer to the 2-8-0 consolidation locomotive as a two eighty instead of two eight O. Also when you call the Burlington Northern railroad the Burlington North. A little deeper dig into your source material or a consult with another rail enthusiast should have helped inform you.
@@billbruff9613 not only that but also calling The El Capitain, the el Captain.
Ah yes, another 🚂 video. Nice, great video Ryan 👍🏽😎👍🏽
the entire story of the SF=SP merger as well all the shenanigans Rio Grande and the Southern were doing is quite fascinating. also Sprint, the telecom company that merged with Tmobile, was the Southern Pacific Railroad Internal Networking Telephone company before being sold off.
From the Warner Brothers cartoon "The Big Snooze", 1946: "Oh, no! Here it comes! The Super Chief!" Bugs Bunny
The bulk of the Newkirk to Shawnee route was abandoned long before the BNSF merger. Only parts remained in service through local service until they were cast off to small branch line class companies…
You skipped over an interesting event that occurred when the ATSF and DRG fought a rail war over who would build through the Royal Gorge.
You mentioned BN a few times as Burlington North, when did it change to Burlington Northern. Awesome video as always.
A pretty good summary of what happened to the Santa Fe to those outside of the industry. Of course there's a lot more to it but you hit all the high spots to give an overall understanding. All the foamers will be out for blood because you didn't include the Warbonnet paint job. Good job anyway.
Time to nit pick. It was the Southern Pacific that was acquired by Rio Grande Industries not the Santa Fe. The name of the railroad is the Burlington Northern not the Burlington North. The steam locomotive you mentioned at the end is not a "280" but a 2-8-0 "Consolidation type" according to the Whyte Notation system for steam locomotive wheel classification.
Great video:) I miss the old opening music
The first TRUE transcontental railroad in the US was Amtrak. It was the first rr that went from the went from the east coast to the west. Before then, freight and passengers had to change trains in places like Chicago or St. Louis.
17:04 An important point omitted was that a big reason AT&SF was financially weakened was it fought off a hostile takeover by the Henley Group which wanted the real estate holdings. Had it succeeded, it would have probably gutted and spun off the railroad making it weaker still instead of being valuable enough for BN to fight UP.
Great video, except the ATSF's "humble beginnings" were not in Topeka. While RR did build its first office/headquarters in Topeka, it was of course founded at its easternmost terminus, Atchison...
It was the Santa Fe Railway not railroad and it was the Burlington Northern not north.
The proposed SP SF merger when equipment in both prototype and models failed, people coined the term for the SPSF as "Shouldn't Paint So Fast". Models in this paint scheme can still be found today. I have a box car in this scheme.
Thankful for how much of the fallen flag schemes are still out there especially in big port cities and local shortlines. If anyone wants guaranteed catches of cascade green, executive/vomit bonnets, warbonnetts, and bloody noses, head on down to Houston primarily the large port area, if you go to beaumont it’s likely you will catch two geeps one in pumpkin gen 1, cascade green, and they usually have a cascade green triclops in the lead most days
16:50 -- Expecting the merger to go through, they painted several locomotives in the new "SP/SF" paint scheme. After the deal fell through, the joke was that the paint scheme stood for "Shouldn't Paint So Fast" . . .
I remember as a kid growing up in the late 50's and early 60's marveling over the Lionel Sante Fe train set in the store and not being able to afford it!
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There are still a few 1920s Santa Fe T2 Semaphores between Wagon Mound, NM and Colmor, NM.
A handful of Santa Fe depots are still standing and with some Harvey Houses: the best example being in Las Vegas, NM.
WOW NICE VID!!!
I contributed to two of those abandoned rail listings.
Santa Fe Ry NEVER went to Las Vegas, NV; the photo ispof the depot in Las Vegas, NEW MEXICO, which still serves Amtrak passenger today.
After 1865 the US government was broke from civil war debt, the best it could do was to guarantee railway bonds to investors, these bonds were authorized after completion of certain track mileage, and the conditions encountered, thus straight and level track was much less than mountain or tunnel track. In both cases it was far less than the actual construction cost. What the railways did get was land, lots of land, but without railway service the land was worthless since there was no way to get to it Some of this land had valuable mineral deposits other land could be sold to farmers and ranchers, some could be sold off to developers in the cities that grew up around the new railway stations. Bonds issued were paid off by the Union Pacific and Western Pacific railways with company funds on a timely basis with no government funding involved. The government takeover of the railways during WWone was a disaster for both the railroads and the government and was not repeated during WWtwo.
It's Burlington Northern
That truck freight took over train freight is mind boggling to me. Sure, truck is king for the last mile - but trains (or ships) should be king for the rest (barring some really weird corner cases).
You do a great narration for the videos. Since I can see you, and your lips are moving, I'll conclude you are NOT AI. Thank you!
To train lovers like me, That road isnt forgotten and with model railroaders it never will be at least for a very long time.
At 10:35, the Frisco route was never purchased by AT&SF in the time period of 1888. Frisco remained as independent from it's 1876 founding until November, 1980, when it was absorbed by Burlington Northern.
Please do a video on the Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad
Growing up in the 70s & 80s in the west. The cascade green of the Burlington NORTHERN was a very cherished sight. But I'm sure you were deprived of such a sight, so I'll let you slide this time. 😁
Remember when we were just wee lads and wanted a train set for Christmas and low and behold there sat the train going round and round the tree Christmas morning? Well the BNSF goes round and round Warren Buffet’s Christmas tree.
Ahhhh Yes My favorite railroad Burlington North Railroad
First of all, it was the Southern Pacific which was sold off to Rio Grande Industries and not the Santa Fe after their merger attempt failed. The Santa Fe never went to Las Vegas, NEVADA but it did go to Las Vegas, NEW MEXICO. As others has pointed out, it was the Burlington NorthERN that merged with the Santa Fe and the steam engine was a two-eight-O model not two eighty. You generally make informative videos, but this one had too many errors.
You forgot to mention the Song about that was about the ATSF That was sang in the 1940`s
Right. It was from the movie, "The Harvey Girls" and it won the Oscar for best song of that year.
That’s for the history lesson as always!
Ferrocarril De La Santa Fe (Spanish: “Holy Faith Railway”) Is One Of The Railway Companies In The Land Of The Free
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Definitely looking forward to see more videos like this, Milwaukee Road, Rio Grande, Southern Pacific, Rock Island....
Santa Fe and Union Pacific were the premier of railroads; along with maybe the Pennsylvania and New York Central Railroads.
Its known more famously as the "Santa Fe Railway" not railroad. Even their private property signage reflected that it was called the AT&SF RY Co
Rio Grande/Union Pacific never owned ATSF.
Around 17:30 Burlington Northern*
Not Burlington North as you said.
Sir, I do love your videos, however, Burlington northern.
santa fe. And Lionel corporation may not exist if it wasn't for the war. Bonnet paint
A new video from Ryan and it was about vintage Railroad, a double whammy............
I want to thank Wild Hogs for making me aware of the town of Madrid, New Mexico 😂
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FYI - Burlington Northern Santa Fe, LLC is owned by The Oracle of Omaha, Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway, Inc., BNSF Railways parent company. 😀👌
Ugh, its "Burlington NorthERN, Santa Fe", and it's "El Cap"i"tan" not "El Captain" I low key get irritated at that.
My Paw Paw was a Santa Fe man and it's also my favorite railroad. I also have a couple air horns from a few Santa Fe engines.
Santa Fe was also pretty big on preserving it's history which is why theres ALOT of Santa Fe steam and early diesels still around.
The Santa Fe merged with the BN it did not fail.
"connecting the country seaa to sea"
Chicago doesn't count, the Southern Pacifc, Union Pacific, "the Hill Lines"(Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Chicago Burlington & Quincy, and Colorado, Spokane, and Southern) eventually the Burlington Northern existed, and never really went further east than Illinois, and this is followed by the fact that the PRR, NYC (eventually Penn Central, and Conrail), B&O, C&O, and other eastern roads existed at the time. overlooked? Nah. Just look at the amount of Santa Fe related merch & references to the ATSF and you'll see they've left there mark. Alot of ATSF equipment is preserved, or is still in operation (note, I'm excluding the Union Pacific, which does still exist), such equipment range from boxcars uses as covered bridges, privately owned cabooses, locomotives, passenger cars, and other cars. ATSF holds to the likes of the Union Pacific, and a few eastern roads, notably either the PRR, oir NYC in terms of cultural significance, though....in terms of iconic liveries, the ATSF, and Southern Pacific, MAYBE the PRR blow all current & past liveries out of the park. The Warbonnet, Daylight, and Tuscan red are some of the most revered American liveries, and that's leaving out locomotives.
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Rio Grande Industries bought the Southern Pacific, not the ATSF.
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Around 17:23 you said "the company preserved". I think you meant "persevered", didn't you?
The Santa Fe went through Las Vegas, New Mexico. Not Nevada.
Burlington Northern...
Burlington north 💀
El Cap-i-tan.
I like trains :)
@7:28 Pretty sure you meant 1300 miles?
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The comment section is about to be toxic. I'm a transit (mainly "bus") foamer, but train foamers are on a whole 'nother level of critiquing.
Good luck, Ryan 😅🤙🏾
Yup, America has been systematically dismantling it's rail network for the past few decades.
Hundreds of miles of train track that used to supply local industries have been ripped up and paved over for bikeways.
I think you meant to say "impeccable" morals; you said "impeachable" morals; that is, they are subject to trial and judgement.
I know the down falls of the Atchison topkea and santa fe railway or railroad and the merger of Burlington Northern and achiton topkea and santa fe railway or railroad emerging to BNSF railroad was the fast freight train is the coolest railroad ever built in the United States but they can't do that to the Atchison topkea and santa fe railway or railroad to down fall or DIE!!!!!!!! And create a new railroad system one day I'm joining the Atchison topkea and santa fe 2926 steam locomotive in Albuquerque in New Mexico one day with the steam locomotive of 2926 and maybe someday we will get a atchison topkea and santa fe streamliner locomotive one day but still I still like and love the Atchison topkea and santa fe railway or railroad of ERA like the era of steam locomotive era and the new diesel engine era and the World war 2 era and santa fe 1950s era and my favorite of all time is the feminist of the Atchison topkea and santa fe railway or railroad is the super Chiefs era and the down falls of the passenger service to freight service and the emerging of atchison topkea and santa fe railway or railroad and Burlington Northern railway or railroad emerging to BNSF railway or railroad and left the Atchison topkea and santa fe railway or railroad oldest Mainline left abandoned and steam and diesel engine or locomotive left abandoned but the three atchison topkea and santa fe steam locomotive are still around here to the day like the santa fe 3751 is at los Angeles on metro railroad service right now and the santa fe 2926 is operating in Albuquerque in New Mexico one day I will joined the new Mexico heritage railway of the Atchison topkea and santa fe 2926 group in Albuquerque in New Mexico one day so yeah that about it so bye p.s and the santa fe 3415 is in operating today again and I hope somebody or some people will do a restoration and restoring the Atchison topkea and santa fe steam locomotive back to operations in service again in the near future or years again one day it will happened soon in the 100,000 years.
3751 is not operated by MetroLink, it’s owned by the San Bernardino Railroad Historical Society. In the past, and maybe in the future, it has operated over MetroLink between L.A. Union Station and San Bernardino for special events.
Santa Fe merged with Burlington northern and created BNSF
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No mention of the ICC freezing freight rates from 1888 until the federal takeover in 1917? Its policies continued until the agency was closed on the Carter Administration. That had more to do with failing railroads than all the cars and planes everybody calls the cause.
they owned a small airplane company and a tugboat.
Santa Fe Skyways was not so small, AT&SF owned several tugboats and barges to ferry freight between Richmond and San Francisco, a trucking company, and the bus company that later became Continental Trailways.
@@Prolificposter thank you for filling in the missing information.
Ok
As a random dude who like trains I can understand why you say a lot of mistakes in this video because you’re not a guy who knows a lot about the ATSF.
SPSF Shouldn't Paint So Fast