Play HD Games On CRT at 240p! Downscale Retro with Extron Emotia!
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- Play HD Games On CRT at 240p! Downscale with Extron Emotia! Even though there are other downscaling products on the market like GBS Control Custom firmware or the Retrotink 5x on the market right now, It is worthwhile to discuss a scaler I have been using for many years now, as it is an absolute beast and offers tons of features, especially for arcade players! With the extron emotia you can take HD games that output 480p and downscale it to the ultra low resolution of 240p. I have been using the extron for about 5 years now and I love its razor sharp s-video and very low input lag (practically lagless actually). In addition to outputting to to s-video, the extron is also to output to RGB (via component cables) and VGA. You can use this with the Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, PS4, and almost all PC graphics cards for Steam games as well. Definetly worth checking out for all arcade, shmup (shoot em' up) fans!
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The "Inibility to crush human skulls" has always been LCD' s biggest flaw.
I m glad you picked up on that ha. Whenever I need to crush my enemies, my crt is my first choice, not these flimsy LCDs
@@TheElectricUnderground "If a guy's bigger and stronger than you, you drop a television on his head from the roof."
-Mike Tyson
The best part about playing these games on CRT that people tend to not mention is, there is no motion blur on a CRT. So moving objects (which are everything in a shmup for instance) are crystal clear as they move across your screen. Allowing you to see and perceive what's happening much much much clearer and allowing you to react better in turn.
Oh yeah no kidding and stuff like black frame insertion on lcd still is kinda funky
@@TheElectricUnderground Absolutely. BFI is awesome but losing half your monitor brightness among some other caveats can be a real pain.
Oh, dear. You have no idea how bad this is. You do get blur: worse, you also get distortion related to the luma intensity. Due to the downscalling, you add unnecessary lag twice, once from the process and twice from the field interlacing. And, to make matters worse, you get bad aspect ratios due to overscan and artifacting due to the superior resolution (haven't you ever played Dreamcast or XBOX on a CRT? It hurts the eyes). This is so dumb, you are like those audiophiles that claim that records are superior than digital.
@@OM19_MO79 sorry but just finished playing Yakuza 1 on my crt and I compared it with emulator he footage and that looked a wholeeee lot worse
Yes!!!! Someone else said this!!!! Yes!!!!
My Life in Gaming is an all time fav and you paid such beautiful homage with that intro
Bravo. You continue to entertain and impress. I'll be joining you in Patreon now :)
Ha yeah I m a big fan of their channel as well so I thought it would be fun to parody them since this is the type of thing they generally cover
@@TheElectricUnderground A+ with the power bar bit.
@@Grimspoon Ha yeah the anti-climatic action shot of plugging in the power chord
@@Grimspoon Man i laughed so loud at that part.
I never bothered with rgb and pvms because s-video on a 27 inch consumer grade crt at 240p resolution is a great experience and less hassle. Love your channel man.
I don t blame you! Nothing better then a beefy crt! Also I m really glad to hear that :-) thanks for tuning in ❤️
imo at this point pvms arent even worth it. i ended up selling my jvc tm h150cg and using the money to get a couple pc crts and a 27 inch d series with svid and component and im far happier with this setup (and i still ended up with money left over lol)
I have a sony pvm 14L5 and a 32 Inch Sony Trinitron and I love both of them, but the extron scaler is amzing for the consumer tvs. I myself have a extron vsc 500.
I’m pausing 2min into your video just to comment on the awesome MLiG inspired intro. This is creativity and what great TH-cam is about, truly inspired and great work I almost never get to experience. Now I know what others mean when they watch something creative and inspired I may have done and gush about it in my comments. This is it. You hit it. And I was thoroughly entertained with a smile on my face. More of this please sir and great work. Now on to the rest of the video. If it’s one thing I know it’s my Extron and have worked with and installed a ton of their products in systems I’ve designed. I never got to play with or needed to use an Emotia but have only heard good things.
Ha I was hoping you d get a kick out of the mlig homage / parody, it was actually really fun to put together. I thought it would be a funny direction to take the video since this is the type of topic mlig is most known for ha. My fav part was when I had to come up with a bunch of plugging in action shots, turns out I only needed about 40 seconds worth but I filmed like 3x more of them, some were pretty silly like changing a roll of toilet paper or sticking soup in the microwave
@@TheElectricUnderground Struggling to plug into the circuit breaker got me good. haha
I use an extron component matrix switcher for all my video equipment. The thing was dirt cheap and works flawlessly.
@@riggel8804 ha glad you liked it, I thought it was funny too.
Target audience definitely reached with that intro! That actually had me giggling! 😂
LOL i'm glad you enjoyed my little parody ha
"Grandma's babysitter" is simultaneously hilarious and sad. I mostly play on my ASUS 23" and I don't even tate. I like the idea of a giant arcade style CRT inches from my face but I live in a small apartment and... let's just say it would be a hard sell.
Yeah a bit of dark humor there ha. Also don't let the apartment stop you, I had my giant crt in my appartment and just set it on the floor and set stuff on stop if it :-)
Great MLiG tribute. That extron seems like a great downscaler to have!
Thanks my dude! Yes, absolutely!
I love downscalers, I find them much more interesting than upscalers. Seems not many others do though.
I agree! I do think it's weird how they don't seem to be that popular despite all the people being into pvms and stuff.
For anyone out there just wanting to play new consoles on a CRT and don't care about scanlines, the Extron VSC 500 and VSC 700 is a great RGB/Component alternative. It only outputs 480i, but that signal still looks great on a CRT, and it has the same horizontal and vertical adjustments. It can even convert RGB to component and component to RGB.
EDIT: So I didn't realize that these also SHOT UP in price over the last year. 6 months ago they were all under $100. Now on ebay they're all over $200...
However, I've gotta say, S-video is absolutely gorgeous. I remember my first time going from playing Melee on a composite LCD to S-video on a CRT. My room mates and I were in shock. We IMMEDIATELY noticed how much SHARPER everything was, and how there was NO input lag at all.
Hell yeah! That s really cool, shame the prices have spiked :-( and yeah s video is a massive improvement over composite. Fun fact about my giant crt, my friends and I used it in the dorm for melee matches, but then the dorm decided they were going the throw it away, so my friend and I smuggled it out of the dorm before they did ha. It s a rescue
@@TheElectricUnderground Hell yeah! Those big old consumer sets are definitely best for those kind of melee nights in college. With my moving around all the time, I really like the size of my 14" PVM, and I happened to get lucky and find it at my job, so I got to scoop it for free
The fancy lag tester is a 10$ open source project named time-sleuth
it doesn't have to be expensive to be fancy :-) I'd get one but it can't really be used for testing a game's input lag, just the display's (from what I understand) so I'd pretty much never use it.
Nice Courey impression, bow let’s hear your Try impression!
This sounds like a nifty device.
Interesting stuff!
Ha yeah that would have been great if I was able to impersonate both hosts
A lot of people also seriously discount composite video as well- there are a ton of retro games designed for that output and graphical effects can be lost (genesis games are famous for this).
I still haven't found a good cheap way to connect HD consoles to my CRT lag free. I'd love an extron but I wonder if I'll ever get one cheap. :/
Guess I'll keep an eye out!
yes I got mine for $80, I think if you just keep looking on ebay for a few months one will pop up, they're still not well-known enough to get price jacked as much as other stuff, I don't think
Get a GBS control
Thank you for spreading your love for downscaling!
How are you converting HDMI to VGA?
Old video by now. Something that you probably know, but I will say anyway that the GBS Control going out to RGB is more convenient to PAL people. Its actually hard to find one that doesn't natively support it. Even if they don't mention the support on their markings, very likely that will support it.
haha! I see what you did there w/ that "My Life In Gaming" style intro.....well done ^_^
Glad you like it ha! It was actually really fun to put together and thought it would be amusing for fans of mlig
Man, that intro was so epic 🤣👍
I m glad to you liked it, I thought it would be funny to be a bit over the top
And indeed it was 👌 overall enjoying your content very much. You're very competent and i mostly agree with your opinions. Keep up the good work and spread the word of shmup 🚀
Cool video. Thanks. Where does the OSCC fit in to this world of CRTs?
you can use your ossc to take rgb from your arcade boards and then have it output to hdmi to vga, then into your extron ha. I actually do this and the picture looks great!
That intro hahahhaha my life in electric underground :D
:-D consider it an auditor tape. I would parody digital foundry as well but they have a less distinct style
Man I want one of those!
In Europe the consumer televisions have RGB. Do you know of any downscalers that are more easy to find, which don’t have to have s-video, with rgb output?
I think the GBS control custom firmware maybe?
That device seems handy to have, and lol @ the My Electric Underground Life in Gaming parody.
And s-video is pretty underrated. My profile pic was taken from a s-video trinitron.
Glad you liked it! Yes, S-video is pretty awesome. I was going to do all the rgb mods a few years back, but when I saw that the quality difference between the two wasn't massive, I decided just to stick with s-video for my big crt.
definitely got me interested! but a quick question, does the image still get squished (for lack of a better term) when downscaling ? is there an image resizing (not repositioning) feature on the downscaler?
No squishing:-) and yes you have some really strong scaling options
@@TheElectricUnderground So how would you hook up to a PS4? HDMI to VGA via a converter?
I've enjoyed using a 31khz pc crt monitor with a scanline generator with 480p consoles (dreamcast) for faux low res gaming. Scanline generator effectively blanks out every other horizontal lines to 240p and Looks amazing👌
Oh yes I play on my PC crt all the time as well! I tend to play virt shmups on my big old Sony Trinitron though for that nice extra screen size. VGA crt are hella nice though. 720p baby
I laughed so hard on the MLIG parody.
I'm glad ha!!
Love my super emotia, the best way to play the cave ports on Xbox 360
absolutely!
How does the Emotia stack up against a TVOne Corio downscaler?
I got my Super Emotia back then in 2007-2008, but mine is the "GX" version which alongside RGB and S-video it has YPbPr Component output, I have lost the PSU for it so I don't know if its working.
Ah good old crt. I miss my 32" JVC I art pro. A weird era of CRT where the TV's were just entering HD. It had composite, component, S Video, and DVI. Everything looked fantastic on it! It had a max resolution of 1080i. It was just a monster to move around tipping the scales at 150lbs.
No kidding!!!! My crt is so damn heavy, moving is gonna be crazy
I had a 32" JVC IArt. Beautiful TV but I had a body builder type friend to help me move it out of my home at the time.
Now with no such friends around, it's completely impractical for me to get one again.
I'm content with the 27", which is still heavy but do-able with regular people.
I would love to see geometry wars downscaled and played on a CRT
That would be cool!
It already plays as it is on CRT though, I have it on 360 for which I have a VGA cable for, so I can play it on a VGA monitor, or use component or HDMI for a HD CRT set, or you can use 480i mode and play it on an SD 4:3 CRT, you can also get it on Wii, PC, so you can play it at any resolution you like, from 8K to 480i.
That’s how I used to play it on my 360, before buying my first flatscreen TV
Careful Mark. That 1.25 second clip from Back to the Future is enough for Susan Wojicki to have you destroyed 😅
no kidding, can't believe I got away with it ha
What hardware do you recommend that is readily available for downscaling?
Not sure to be honest, I think if you keep an eye out you'll be able to pick up one. I'd recommend other solutions, but the extron is a beast and I think worth the effort of trying to get.
Starting to realize how lucky and how amazing the fw900 actually is. I can run natively at 640x240 144hz-160hz. Compared to my buddies pvm it’s pretty damn close. And the ease of use. If your looking try recycling companies found mine shipped 375
That's awesome!
So can it transcode 31khz down to 15 as well? Or do u need a transcoder in line as well?.
So are you just leaving your Trinitron turned sideways to always play games in Tate? Seems like it would be too much work / not good for the integrity of the TV to keep rotating it back and forth
About SuperEmotia i heard about that "dowmscaler" from Faginrs500. Way back in 2009 / 2010.
P.s: the only consumer grade TV that have RGB is european CRT TVs, have SCART input.
The emotia outputs rgb as well via bnc cables, so I imagine you can use a simple adaptet to get scart out of it, it even has a pal switch
I got very lucky and was gifted an nec 27 inch xm29 so I use it as much as I can and I picked up a legit arcade monitor years ago for $75 but I’m not able to play on it.
Oh that s awesome! You know it s a proper crt if it hurts your back when you lift it ;-)
Look them up they know there heavy cause the have factory handles
It looks like the Extron Emotia only works with images up to 1024x768. As a result, how would you make this work with HD systems like the Switch?
just drop the resolution to 480p :-) works like a charm, I use it with my switch all the time.
Wow. Awesome how you used MLiG soundtrack. Do you have to credit them?
Secret fact, it s not their music 🎶 it s some artist that they are taking from
@@TheElectricUnderground thank you for making this video. I really like your style.
Bwhaha I love "My life in gaming"! But honestly I passed up your video thinking it was an MLIG video. Hahaha then I thought you did a video with them when I scrolled passed it again and got real excited. Then I click and realized neither of those were true. But still an awesome video.
Yes I was hoping to try and be sneaky for the first bit and trick my subs into thinking it was an mlig vid :-) it would be cool to be featured on mlig, especially the ep they did about M2 shot triggers
Cool narrative for the intro . . you should work in hollywood :D
Ha, I did this, this week. I learned the XRGB-3 I owned for 15y, you can enable lowres mode, set it to 240p, set it to B1 mode, 2ms lag. then I just use a vga2scart to outpout scart to my scart RGB tv.
(context, I wanted to stop using my 360 scart cable, since the 360 can only set the ouput to 480i, I wanted to play my Cave shmups in 240p^^) (29" trinitron french user here 😁)
Oh that's really cool!!
If you're just trying to get 15kHz out of a PC it's still possible with older video cards, right? I'd kinda like to figure out a solution to that. A lot of consumer grade televisions that accept s-video can be fairly easily modded to accept RGB too.
Yes I believe so! Personally I found the dual video card thing a bit of a pain, but you can make it work :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground I have an old 29" Samsung that I've been dying to RGB mod but I have nothing to hook up to it right now. Getting analog video out of my PC would be a lot of fun. I don't think I could really use it for tate games though.
I have a Kramer Digital Scan Converter VP-703sc.
Oh wow I've never heard of that before, sounds interesting. Looks like there is a great deal for one on ebay right now $55.
Mario Land music is pretty nice. Not sure if I can comment now or if I'm still being censored.
I am seeing your comment, so TH-cam has spared you ha
LOL! Mark you had me fooled, the thumbail even got me. Once I heard your voice I thought "is Mark featured in this an episode of MLiG?" and then it got silly hahaha.
I agree that S-Video is over looked these days, and it still has alot of merit. I used it primarily for quite a few years in my setups and its lightyears ahead of composite and RF. But I will say that most decent consumer CRT's after the mid-90's started supporting Component video, which is essentially equivalent to RGB. These sets can still be found fairly cheap, and not only do they have better I/O, they are also usually better built, and when you get into higher end sets they will have way more lines of resolution than what you are currently using, which will greatly improve the picture. Look for TV's made in the early 2000's by Sony (Trinitron) or one of my personal favourites the JVC D-Series. Most CRTs, including PVMs and arcade monitors have a curved front glass. But the curvature is far more pronounced in older sets.
Great esoteric video as usual my dude.
I m glad I was able to trick you ;-) yeah I tried really hard to match the style of their thumbnails and intro voice over ha. Oh yeah those later trons are awesome, I actually had to throw one away because it s screen got smashed. The good news is the extron can also output to RGB as well!
I used to want one of these but the prices of them is a bit too much, I looked for a year or so and never saw one for under 300 usd and it's kinda redundant now but very cool to see anyway
Yeah there are other options these days that are great as well, though I still think if you are going for s-video this thing is a great buy. Just gotta try and snag one for lower prices in the wild if you can.
PS4 Pro only goes down to 720p. Slims and OG PS4s do 480p... I googled if there was a way to force a PS4pro to output 480p and broke the internet.
I have a jpn360 so don't cry for me, but damn.
I KNOW! My stupid xbox one x won't do 480p either, pisses me off.
@The Electric Underground for the record PS5 only goes as low as 720p also. So this may be the end of an era for the Super Emotias.
Its probably possible with the Retrotink 5x, but that's more junk in the chain.
👾 great vid!
Thanks my dude!
That intro music sounds familiar ;)
Only to the enlightened ;-)
Hello, any question the ossc can downscale,?
Hi, sadly no the ossc cannot downscale, only upscale.
@@TheElectricUnderground ok thanks,
Do you know any downscaler that can bought? , the gbs aio are exhausted, and the device that you show in the video too
Loool I thought I clicked on the wrong channel there!
Gotcha!!!! :-D ha yeah I m hoping mlig fans randomly comes across the video and have a very confusing two minutes during the intro
LoL, thank you for that intro... 😭
Ha I had a really fun time making it 🤣
Does anyone know the song that starts playing at 3:09? It's so familiar but I can't place my finger on it.
Think it’s Littleroot town from Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald
You actually tricked me into thinking it was a MLiG video, impressive LOL
Yes!! mission accomplished!
Damn Mark, you upped the production value....achievement unlocked
Glad you liked it ha! I reverse engineered the mlig intros to try and parody / homage their style
Great MLiG skillz
:-D
I have probably owned 30 crts over the past 9 years. Including several pvms and bvms.
Virtually all of the usa, consumer trinitrons made after 1999 accept rgb through their component. All you need is a cheap transcoder. No input lag, no video quality lost. I have a video on it.
m.th-cam.com/video/QGVbjG_tZcE/w-d-xo.html
Virtually all sony pvms and bvms are curved on the x axis. However there are many flat-screen consumer grade trinitrons and these are what I would recommend for tate. That is what I use for my tate setup. The larger screen will improve your gameplay and it is really fun. I used to use a 36 inch crt but I am currently using a 27 inch. I miss the 36.
The horizontal/vertical position and size can be adjusted on trinitrons by entering their service mode. Go to the time stamp in this video for entering the service menu.
th-cam.com/video/zUXm_BnVRR8/w-d-xo.html
However you have to be careful adjusting the vertical position. It can warp the image.
The intro was hilarious.
Oh this is awesome info!! Yeah the later trons sound great, I had one for a little bit but it got broken beyond repair (at least for me). I like my old school 32 tron a lot though. Someday I want to get that massive 1080p crt though! The one they used while making doom ha
@@TheElectricUnderground There are a bunch of legendary CRTs out there. That one the Doom Devs used is extremely rare and sought after.
If you want a high res CRT with no input lag I would recommend the RCA "Proscan" consumer CRTs, They will do up to 1080i. They are way more common and come in 32 and 36 inches. You might actually find one of those if you look. I have run across a few. There are also multiformat 1080i pro monitors but those are worth their weight in gold nowadays.
Can the S terminal 240p?
Whoever had that singular Emotia II listing up on the bay earlier this evening owes you a commission!
No kidding ha! I bought mine for $80 by just checking ebay every day for a few months, I d say just be patient and keep an eye out
Hey but european consumer crt has euro scart with rgb so actualy pvm suck with comparasion to big screen european crt.
Yeah eu crts are a beast unto themselves
What if genshin downscaled to 240p to a crt
Sounds cool to me!
I got one for $75 a fews years ago. Talk about getting lucky.
Hell yeah!
@@TheElectricUnderground It was actually an Extron Super Emotia. Those are even more sought after. A doctor sold it to me an he said that he used it for medical equipment in the past. I also had a PVM at one point, but I sold it because I honestly didn't think it was any better that a PC CRT VGA monitor with scanlines. A PVM was just too sharp for my taste. A consumer CRT TV with component was good enough for me. Not to mention the fact that consumer CRT TV's come in larger sizes and are easier to get your hands on.
Lmao that intro
Glad you watched it!!!!!
@4:25
Lmfao
Ha I was going to actually draw it on my hand but I had work the next day
Do they know you stole their intro music?
Whats the game @ 9:05 called?
Oh that s blazing chrome! It s a really fun run and gun
I just slap in a Wii2HDMI and call it a day. £1.36 shipped.
whatever works for you is fine with me :-)
I setup my PS2 in 240p playing FFX on my PVM and posted it on r/crtgaming and everyone cried so much over it lol.
Gbs control is lag free
Corey is that you?
It is!!
.....unless you live in europe and have rgb scart input in your consumer TV XD
Your guys' crts still confuse me ha, but I am pretty sure you can get rgb out of the bnc output of the extron
my life in gayming
That s-video converter: before you shit on a product, rtfm. You’re complaining about dull colors while feeding it less than a third of the color signal level it can handle.
Learn gain structure and educate yourself before you criticise something designed by and for people who know what they’re doing.
I have the non super emotia, its kind of a piece of shit lol.