@@JustChadC I mean, in case of mgs I just must ask the question - who's recording major zerio, the most secretive man on earth? Especially if you never find those tapes, they just appear in your menu.
@@uncanny-hector-1906 He needed to wrap up the characters and plotlines he created in Portable Ops and Peacewalker to precede Metal Gear 1 & 2 on the MSX. A link that would bound the series full circle.
@@feathermanr7577 (Matt chillin in his apartment) 🦻 “Why is there so many people in that building, meh, probably nothi- (ALARMS BLARING) “time to get my suit…”
Funny how everyone said the story and cutscenes were too short and sparse, yet there's over 5 HOURS of cutscenes, and about 3 more hours of tapes giving info lol
are you calling me Dub, because i said there's alot of Cutscenes and Backstory via tapes and documents etc? i mean... there is.. by definition. there's more cutscenes and info in this game than any other game on the PS4 or Xbobx one.. sure there's less cutscenes than in some of the other MGS's, but there's FARRR more dialogue and story on the tapes and from your 2 right hand men then on ANY Metal gear solid. With the hours of tapes and those 2 at the base, there's more story in this game than any MGS. Thats a fact. There's 2 hours and 41 mins of tapes and over 9 hours of Cutscenes (not 5). So apart from maybe MGS4, this game has the most story, backstory and cutscenes / dialogue.
The relationship between Snake and Zero is so tragic, it makes the ending of the MGS4 all the more sad...When Big Boss asked the question did Zero really hate him or not..but he would never know, we all know that both Zero and Snake fought terrible wars against one another to see the vision of The Boss come to fruition but in the end both went down a road of ruin. But you can really tell that Zero, despite all that truly did care for Jack. Brilliant writing, now I gotta play the entire series again. From Snake Eater, to Peacewalker, Ground Zeroes, Phantom Pain,MGS1, Sons of Liberty and finally Guns of the Patriots.
Holy crap I think I know why the patriots AI had kept big boss in coma after he was ‘killed’ by solid snake, it was instructed by Zero before Zero went vegetable so that he could always keep Big Boss in protection from skull face, simply because he didnt know when would Big Boss wake up.
At the very start of the first tape, Big boss is concerned for his soldier, for Venom, asking about him and asking to see his face one last time. Opposite to what many believe, that he used Venom. Also, Big Boss did not betray Kaz, its the other way around. The call between Kaz and Zero clearly shows that Kaz joined Zero because of his ideology, even though he didn’t intend to harm Big Boss, he betrayed him going behind his back in a sense. Therefore, Big Boss is innocent, people do not understand that Kojima is trying to make us view Big Boss as a villain just like the public did to the Boss.
Becker AS amen. So it was kaz who was with skull face after all, the one at the end after paz told about zeros location. The one Who said: "give her the shot already" and "i hold her steady" ... Man like what?! Kaz was with skullface in order to get to cipher???!!! That means kaz was at cuba in ground zeroes with skullface!! Skullface even admitted it by saying that miller is now under his jurisdiction... Im fucking stunned right now... What is going on...
@@Janon743 Because, now with this shitty lore that Kojima came up with for MGS V, we see that the Phantom was actually the Big Boss Solid Snake fought in Outer Heaven, who was totally evil. And om MGS V the Phantom says he's going to destroy Big Boss' name, and when he gets ready to go and fight Snake, he goes through a curtain of smoke, signalizing his villanious intentions and fall down.
This game is what made feel empathy for Zero. He was never a *bad* guy. He genuinely wanted a world where all was one, but aside from his misinterpretation, he wanted Big Boss back. He was never mad at him or bitter that he turned him away, Zero just wanted his friend. I remember a quote from an MGSV 4chan thread archive that summarized this game perfectly: *"Maybe the words that kill are the ones we don't speak"* (in reference to the loss of communication between Zero and Big Boss)
Cipher saying goodbye always kills me.. he missed the boss and tried to help him even over his own life..you can tell the boss has left an impression on him and he really cares about him and his wellbeing..if cipher is willing to visit someone in the hospital and risk it all even his own life you know he really truely cares about them..breaks my heart that they never really spoke again :(
All this makes me wish they would make a game with the first Big Boss...she was quite something to have touched so many people's life. WW2 setting another bonus
+kaden overstreet No, Kojima wanted to make that a different game entirely. MGSV was always meant to bridge the gap between Ground Zeroes and Metal Gear 1.
Funny enough, I had a hunch that Zero was voiced by a different actor and sadly he is, but Time Winters for what little he has, he does a damn good job playing zero. He has that age to his voice that fits him well and is able to properly get all the little things in his performance right...shame that all of these IMPORTANT THINGS, ain’t fuckin cutscenes though.
I absolutely agree, I would have loved to see the entire vision of Paz meeting Zero, Paz revealing his location and Skull attacking Zero. So much opportunity but I guess a game this big they just could afford resource to make those scenes ??
The ending of the game throws a lot of shit at you, even before it is actually the real ending. I missed a ton of stuff that I’m still finding out to this day.
Zero spoke to Big Boss two years into his coma, he couldn't tell which man was Big Boss and which was Venom. And yet, in the opening of the game, Venom's facial surgery was performed shortly before the XOF attack...
Well, when you walk into a room and there's two beds with two people in it, probably both bandaged, would you ask "which one is he?"? Of course you would. Then again, there's the possibility that the Truth Tapes are a lie and that Venom Snake is just a differet personality of Big Boss'.
It doesn’t tell you when it is, it just says there’s been no change for 2 years...that could’ve been 2 years since a change or 2 years since it happened...
XOF is FOX/Diamond dogs, cipher was the one who attacked MSF and the hospital Venom snake is skullface, Ishmael is not real, he even admits it in the beginning. Big boss woke up before Skullface and left the hospital.
Replaying this game again. Idc what ppl say. The nostalgia from peace walker, paz. Everything. It was a master piece. Quiet didn't die in the dessert. She lives on.
As much as I love listening to these tapes after the fact, I still think the biggest flaw of this game is that the most important story information isn't actually a part of the game's plot
There was a falling out in Konami and Kojima was fired after nearly thirty years of notable achievements and awards. This is what happens when people run businesses without morals which can be found in the Bible and Tradition. I don’t know how to say this gracefully about business but like families there’s a reason God hates divorce.
Yes these were too important to leave in tapes. Absolutely should have been ingame cutscenes. The plot itself is still great just for the ruse of Venom alone.
Zero never hated big boss they were divided between difference both wanting the same thing to fulfil the will of the boss herself it's sad we never got to see zero in V if only Konami gave kojima more time we could of had a big section of the game as the real big boss basically calling chapter 3 truth this is why in my opinion big bosses chapter in the mgs universe isn't yet complete
There's no way of knowing who knew of him outside of maybe XOF. Perhaps Donald Anderson and Dr Clarke knew, but Zero kept Skullface a secret from pretty much everyone. Big Boss didn't even know Skullface was part of Operation Snake Eater, and that he was shadowing Snake the whole time.
I think the phrase "From Zero, to Omega", must mean all the FOBS must have no soldiers. I think whoever we recruit might have been working for Cipher. Omega means last which can also mean nothing.
Someone correct me if i'm wrong but is the man Zero and Skull Face are referring to in the beginning of their conversation The Sorrow? The way Zero describes The Boss' reaction to him giving her the pin points me to The Sorrow.
Alex Blast Probably not. The Sorrow’s corpse is in Russia and it is explicitly stated that The Boss killed him. Layforce was in Egypt during World War 2 and the Sorrow died in the 60’s.
Ocelot and Zero. Miller was off the board to record these within the 9 years after mother base's destruction, Paz was dead after the Ground Zeroes events by bomb, and the rest I can say is.. a collection of Phantoms. Miller as we know died inside after his tumultuous history, which left him filled with rage and resentment. Ocelot, despite everything, still was loyal to the ONE guy who proven himself against him- Big Boss, and spent his life fighting to and fro for the man- betraying, planning, working alongside other parties, and even fighting the genetic sons of his Idol, he lived and died like he lived- on the top of Outer Haven in MGS4, having fooled the entire world that Big Boss was dead, until "Naked Son". The man was in comas which took his life- a life he spent fighting for what he believed in. First the death of MSF, which meant 9 years. And then the fall of Zanzibar Land, which took a REALLY BIG CHUNK of his life, because not only was he old as FUCK by MG1 and MG2 he was kept alive in a fucking cryostasis and having underwent replacement surgeries until David brought him back- accidentally. And then he DIES because FoxDIE. But not after bringing down the man who started ALL the smoke- Zero.
Funny how, in this context, Zero caused the 1977 New York Blackout to visit Big Boss. Reminded me of that gizmo from MIB that did the same in its own context
Piecing everything together as best I can given the hints towards certain things being a lie: 1. Both "Big Boss" and the Medic are moved to Dhekelia in Cyprus in order to receive medical treatment. When Zero visits, BB's doctor claims that he's still been in a coma the past two years. We do hear Big Boss's heart pumping abnormally fast for someone in a coma, so its possible that he's either faking or just in a medically-induced one. The Medic's transformation also shouldn't have happened until the last month of his stay, so a second patient had to have been given plastic surgery to have the appearance of Snake. We do know that Zero implied that a "mental copy" of Big Boss was prepared before Ocelot had even got involved, so I'm thinking that this was the original copy. The Medic did have a very distinct head injury and missing arm that you would think that Zero would have mentioned, and yet he can't tell the two apart. This leads me to believe that while the Medic and Big Boss were both in the same hospital, they didn't actually share a room. This would help explain the "non-smoking ward" comment and the sound a of a sliding versus hinged door. 2. Awakening. Given the evidence shown through MGSV, it seems pretty reasonable to assume that Ishmael was simply a hallucination in Venom's mind. Given this "Fight Club" type twist, when we see the full version of events play out in "The Truth" mission, we're also given context on how to view the end scene. The cutscene filmography starts off showing a controlled zoom-in on Venom's face which is in the center of the frame. This happens a few times in Fight Club to hint that what Jack is about to see is a hallucination. We then cut to "Big Boss" and Ocelot in a cutscene where everything is viewed in a controlled manner; all cuts, pans and zooms are conducted as if the "camera" was moving about a track. This is in stark contrast to the shaky third-person cam that you see for the rest of the game and is a specific detail mentioned by Kojima himself. The time frame for this occuring make no sense at all, as you can see the sun rising as Big Boss goes to depart; Ocelot presumably departs after this convo and takes Venom to the freighter, and yet it remains dark for the entirety of time thereafter. We know that the only concept art of Big Boss from MGSV isn't even Big Boss, it's simply Venom wearing the same Biker outfit from that cutscene. And what do see occur before Big Boss rides off into the sunset? A controlled zoom-in with Big Boss's face at the center of the frame. This and the content of the "Big Boss" Truth Tapes tells me that the tapes and cutscene in question were just further mental conditioning used by Ocelot to "cement" Venom's Doublethink. We see a sink in the Medic's hospital room that directly matches the sink that we see Venom has revelation in front of at the end of the game. "Big Boss" claiming that he was going to be the bodyguard for his own body double makes no logical sense, but it would have given to a tremendous boost to Venom's ego and psyche. As backwards as it may seem, I don't think BB was ever involved in the recording of those audio tapes. It was all scripted statements made by Venom while under the effects of hypnogogia. Big Boss likely departed a week or so before Venom was woken up, which is when Mantis picked up BB's brainwaves and caused the plane crash we can hear the audio of at the beginning of the game. Venom becoming aware of his dual existence is something Ocelot felt was likely inevitable
inevitable, so he devised the "Man Who Sold the World" tape to include an audio recording of a hypnotized Venom claiming he was Big Boss, and that they "both" were the real Big Boss in order to work together towards a common goal. He also leaked the BS "Truth Tapes" to give Venom the rest if the context he needed to make sense of things, and from there willfully chose to continue on being Big Boss.
inevitable, so he devised the "Man Who Sold the World" tape to include an audio recording of a hypnotized Venom claiming he was Big Boss, and that they "both" were the real Big Boss in order to work together towards a common goal. He also leaked the BS "Truth Tapes" to give Venom the rest if the context he needed to make sense of things, and from there willfully chose to continue on being Big Boss.
I’m still not sure who to blame after all that time regarding what happened in MGSV (the repetitive gameplay) #Konami or #Kojima ? But after what i personally saw in #DeathStranding i can say 50/50 blaming on both sides... As for the story of MGSV, in a way or another it is finished if you focus only on the main missions and listen to several #CassetteTapes!! (Even tho i personally wished back then if some of those detailed tapes could’ve been real time missions)
It’s more metaphorical than anything, Skull Face is meant to be another Phantom if Big Boss. Idea is Skull Face aided him from behind the Shadows throughout the Soviet Jungle mission in MGS3 but he doesn’t get any recognition, more so he’s lost his identity as well. So he’s kinda a dark mirror of Venom Snake himself, just unlike Venom (Us the Player) he’s angry and resentful of the whole ordeal. It’s quite an interesting concept and fits well with the Venom reveal, it’s just the story got cut a little short due to production issues.
Skull Face vowed revenge on people with globalist ambitions (Such as Zero, Big Boss, the USA, the USSR...), those who strip people away from their language.
Skullface is venom snake, he knew about the phantom project. He doesn't hate big boss he hates zero and clears that during the jeep ride saying that zero took away his past and destroyed any promise of a future.
There hasn't been a game in this generation can up to this level of Mgs5. Best gaming franchise and best game on ps4.Tactic stealth action game had disappeared after Hitman 3 releasing.
So I know all the lore, but maybe you all can give me your interpretation of what BB meant when he said “what [the twins] are is much sicker than that.”
I think he meant they were basically just tools to Zero, a means to an end. As Huey put it in one of his tapes, with talent like his, if Big Boss just died it would be a terrible loss. Not to mention, he was basically a legend to the average soldier, on top of being the best there was. With the ability to make identical copies, why wouldn't you want to? While it's never explicitly stated I believe, popular theory is that what drove Big Boss to leave Cipher was finding out about the cloning, and that Dr Clarke (Paramedic in MGS3) took the samples without his knowledge. This would explain why he doesn't see them as copies of him or his children. In a weird sort of way, this is the most merciful, he sees them as their own people.
Peacewalker yeah, but it explains Eli’s back story, you don’t get much about David apart from the fact that he’d been in the States, but you don’t really hear about Solidus at all...
The only thing that can be deducted from this that since Ocelot refers to the Solid and Liquid as being raised "free range"probably means Solidus never had that luxury..
@@Aivottaja That and he had a more severe version of the accelerated aging process. MGSV takes place a few years before the war in Liberia, which Solidus was dispatched in. My beliefs is that due to Solidus possibly being the first of the Les Enfants Terribles to experience real combat Cipher had blacked out his existence, most likely on Zero's level.
+Greg Young Just because they're on opposite sides of the battlefield, doesn't mean they hate each other. I haven't completely finished the series yet, but from what I can tell, Zero never wanted Big Boss dead, per say, he just wanted him to stay out of his way. Maybe since XOF is a branch of Cypher, Zero felt slightly responsible for his friends coma, and wanted to make sure that Snake would make it out of the coma intact. That's what I got from it, at least.
+Greg Young Although Big Boss and Zero had different understandings of the Boss' vision, they both had something in common: Whatever it was they saw, they wanted to create something that would make the Boss happy. Their execution of that vision might have been at odds with each other, but they were still doing the same thing and believed they were right, while the other one was wrong. So it's about seeing yourself doing the right choice in light of the other person. It's almost like a sport. Suppose you were racing against a really fast opponent. Both of you have the same intention: Reach the goal before the other one does. Now imagine you would push him off the track during the race and he would be thrown back, and couldn't possibly catch up to you anymore. Yes, that would make you reach the goal before him - but you wouldn't know if you won because you were better than him. A much more satisfying victory is to let your opponent be, reach the goal before him and proof to yourself, and him, that you were the better man. Does that make any sense?
The doctor in trailer who said that was in the hospital in columbia yet this tape is three years later and they have supposedly been moved to cyprus? I do agree the voice is definitely that of the doctor in trailer. Also how can surgery be done in 1977 and then again in 1984 by a different doctor, i don't by that zero could not recognise them due to bandages as this was 3 years later. It's implied that they have already been moved in the tape but judging by the doctors being the columbia doctor and if you listen carefully you can hear children when doctor opens door to leave. Inconsistency's draw me to believe this is a lie or hallucination.
Am I the only one who thinks Venom Snake is the Big Boss from Metal Gear 1 and 2 and he actually dies in 2. Then at the end of Metal Gear Solid 4 is the real Big Boss/Naked Snake appears from hiding to see Solid Snake for the first time. Seems to fit but might have some flaws.
He accepts David as a fellow soldier. Think it's safe to say that Solid Snake is the only one Big Boss really respects. Liquid and Solidus? Either doesn't care or doesn't respect them
Is that a joke? You know Konami had a falling out with Kojima during the Obama administration. Kojima will probably not make another series so you can pick up a bible in the meantime.
@@TheFattestBlunt. “Hurr durr, can’t criticize people who are better than you at something, like a surgeon, though much better a much better surgeon than me, fucked me up due to gross incompetence” Yeah, if you even thought for a minute that logic made sense, congratulations: you are one fucking idiot.
it's hard to listen to queefers voice, it's nasal, and not as cool as hayters voice, it's really odd hearing them talk about things they have no idea about, no understanding, when some of it is very real.
![[MGSV] All truth records (Clean recording)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lh8w_mn1zaQ/mqdefault.jpg)
ironically, these talks are one of best moments in the whole series
Zolt Link Mostly because there is actual good writing and less filler
I don't think you understand what "ironic" means.
@@Aivottaja Ironic, because the best part of the plot of MGS5 happened outside its plot - truth tapes.
@@Mish844 some of the best parts of Resident Evil or Dark Souls come through readings or tapes. Not a fair point guy
@@JustChadC I mean, in case of mgs I just must ask the question - who's recording major zerio, the most secretive man on earth? Especially if you never find those tapes, they just appear in your menu.
Murray: Big boss.... you are the father!
Big boss: they're no sons of mine, and they're sure as hell not me.
ShadowniteALX 2 he’s actually right lol
Clones.
I actually don't blame Big Boss for saying that. Zero cloning him without his consent is a f*cked up thing to do.
NotFakeNewsRabbit that makes that last hug even more heartwarming
@@Dirty_Davos Absolutely :)
I love the way Kiefer Sutherland pronounces les enfant terribles. Other than that, I wish Konami gave Hideo more time to finish le game.
@@uncanny-hector-1906 No such thing as "enough" for developing a finale
@@uncanny-hector-1906 As in "Finale of the series" The closure of the the story that fills in all the plot holes while adding to the story
@@uncanny-hector-1906 He needed to wrap up the characters and plotlines he created in Portable Ops and Peacewalker to precede Metal Gear 1 & 2 on the MSX. A link that would bound the series full circle.
Schweise I mean, but like the guy said, they had 5 years...
@@milton5417 He was too busy making shitty weapons that no one would use.
"10th avenue, Hell's Kitchen." It's official. Gordon Ramsey is Major Zero's disciple.
+The Kingfish Hell's Kitchen is a real neighborhood in New York
I'm aware. I guess that joke was a bit of a reach eh.
@@LPXDproductions lol Matt Murdock also lives there
@@HPTeguhWhich means he can easily know Zero’s location, damn
@@feathermanr7577
(Matt chillin in his apartment)
🦻
“Why is there so many people in that building, meh, probably nothi-
(ALARMS BLARING)
“time to get my suit…”
I wish Kiefer would have had more lines in game. He did a great job as Big Boss.
The snakes never talked much in gameplay.
@@jeff_7274The hell are you talking about?
Naked snake was so chatty when Eva gave him a silenced pistol
@@Angel_alanis during gameplay when you're in direct control of them.
@@Angel_alanis”in gameplay”
@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101 Yeah, I got that reply 2 weeks ago. I dont need a reminder
"if you don't wake up soon, I won't remember you when you do"
so sad 😭😢
what exactly did he mean by that?
+Kenny Sereme his memory is degrading. almost like Alzheimer's.
+andrew gonzales oooh ITS SOPO FUCKED UP ALL THESE SECRETS...I WAS LIKE OOOOH SHIT
+Kenny Sereme right
+Kenny Sereme I've listened to these tapes so many times hah
Funny how everyone said the story and cutscenes were too short and sparse, yet there's over 5 HOURS of cutscenes, and about 3 more hours of tapes giving info lol
lol 5 hours of cutscenes total is pretty short for a mgs game. XD
*****
you know he means relatively
LudicrousKid lol so true
are you calling me Dub, because i said there's alot of Cutscenes and Backstory via tapes and documents etc? i mean... there is.. by definition. there's more cutscenes and info in this game than any other game on the PS4 or Xbobx one.. sure there's less cutscenes than in some of the other MGS's, but there's FARRR more dialogue and story on the tapes and from your 2 right hand men then on ANY Metal gear solid. With the hours of tapes and those 2 at the base, there's more story in this game than any MGS. Thats a fact. There's 2 hours and 41 mins of tapes and over 9 hours of Cutscenes (not 5). So apart from maybe MGS4, this game has the most story, backstory and cutscenes / dialogue.
@@antonyquigley5219 the main complain is that its in tapes and not cutscenes. They are some of the most interesting moments but are simply tapes.
I wish we could have seen Zero in this, I've always been kind of curious as to how a lot of these characters age throughout the years.
i know your feels. im so disappointed, i thought we would see our favorite characters all old and stuff but i guess not :(
Ibikiss C. Swear to god I thought that blonde nurse in Cyprus was Eva at 48 but sadly it wasn't
Jason Armstrong Lol I actually never heard that theory before but totally wish that nurse was eva. sadly not even Eva makes an appearance. :(((((((
Ibikiss C. Oh well at least we got to find out how Solid Snake would look at age 12
+Jason Armstrong did we? ive must have missed that part?? what!!? where do we see SS?
The relationship between Snake and Zero is so tragic, it makes the ending of the MGS4 all the more sad...When Big Boss asked the question did Zero really hate him or not..but he would never know, we all know that both Zero and Snake fought terrible wars against one another to see the vision of The Boss come to fruition but in the end both went down a road of ruin. But you can really tell that Zero, despite all that truly did care for Jack. Brilliant writing, now I gotta play the entire series again. From Snake Eater, to Peacewalker, Ground Zeroes, Phantom Pain,MGS1, Sons of Liberty and finally Guns of the Patriots.
dont forget the original mg and mg2 solid snake
Don't forget Portable Ops after Metal Gear Solid 3
MGSV made MGS4 more enjoyable to me.
Dont forget Portable Ops and Rising
2:45 and now we know why this game was specifically set in 1984; so that kojima could make that joke
It's not a joke. It's the main idea of the whole saga. Eli's portrayal referrencing "Lord of The Flies" however, maybe
Well yeah, MGS4 was basically George Orwell’s 1984 but set in a more modern/futuristic and controlled by an AI instead of an oligarchy
Metal gear games are set in years ending in 4s
1963 is mgs3, 1974 is mgspw, 1984 mgsv, 1994 mgs, 2004, mgs2, and 2014 mgs4
@@venooby585 MG is 95, MG2 is 99 and MGS is 05, but if 2+2=5...
"Like Mario and Princess Beach."
These conversations make mgs even more of a masterpiece.
Saul Alvarenga
Adds in more to the story.
Really cool voice acting if only there were cutscenes for them
3:24 It's rare to hear Snake in this mood. Laughing and all.
It's more on Ground Zeroes and forward. Until Peace Walker, Boss laughed and smiled a lot.
Holy crap I think I know why the patriots AI had kept big boss in coma after he was ‘killed’ by solid snake, it was instructed by Zero before Zero went vegetable so that he could always keep Big Boss in protection from skull face, simply because he didnt know when would Big Boss wake up.
Turn to Christ, for He is the only way to salvation. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, He is the Alpha and the Omega. ✝️
that makes a lot of sense 😮
At the very start of the first tape, Big boss is concerned for his soldier, for Venom, asking about him and asking to see his face one last time. Opposite to what many believe, that he used Venom. Also, Big Boss did not betray Kaz, its the other way around. The call between Kaz and Zero clearly shows that Kaz joined Zero because of his ideology, even though he didn’t intend to harm Big Boss, he betrayed him going behind his back in a sense. Therefore, Big Boss is innocent, people do not understand that Kojima is trying to make us view Big Boss as a villain just like the public did to the Boss.
Becker AS amen. So it was kaz who was with skull face after all, the one at the end after paz told about zeros location. The one Who said: "give her the shot already" and "i hold her steady" ... Man like what?! Kaz was with skullface in order to get to cipher???!!! That means kaz was at cuba in ground zeroes with skullface!! Skullface even admitted it by saying that miller is now under his jurisdiction... Im fucking stunned right now... What is going on...
@@Dirty_Davos Miller was never in Cuba.
He did wanted to kill Solid Snake later. Both Big Boss and his dipshit phantom are villains. Specially the Phantom.
@@eduardopazhurtado3882 why specifically the phantom?
@@Janon743 Because, now with this shitty lore that Kojima came up with for MGS V, we see that the Phantom was actually the Big Boss Solid Snake fought in Outer Heaven, who was totally evil. And om MGS V the Phantom says he's going to destroy Big Boss' name, and when he gets ready to go and fight Snake, he goes through a curtain of smoke, signalizing his villanious intentions and fall down.
MGS5 Big Boss, says you never like the French and is MGS2 Ocelot saids he never trust a French man.
Yet ocelot himself is french ironically, being the boss son, born in Normandy
@@nomad6737 Did NOT know that...
@@nomad6737 yeah but not ethnically French.
My god, Skull Face's VA killed it with these tapes.
No kidding
This game is what made feel empathy for Zero. He was never a *bad* guy. He genuinely wanted a world where all was one, but aside from his misinterpretation, he wanted Big Boss back. He was never mad at him or bitter that he turned him away, Zero just wanted his friend. I remember a quote from an MGSV 4chan thread archive that summarized this game perfectly: *"Maybe the words that kill are the ones we don't speak"* (in reference to the loss of communication between Zero and Big Boss)
You have it COMPLETELY wrong, it's laughable 😆
@@2Good2BeTrue45 Prove me wrong then.
Cipher saying goodbye always kills me.. he missed the boss and tried to help him even over his own life..you can tell the boss has left an impression on him and he really cares about him and his wellbeing..if cipher is willing to visit someone in the hospital and risk it all even his own life you know he really truely cares about them..breaks my heart that they never really spoke again :(
cypher is zero codename?._.
@@flowrepins6663 yeah
All this makes me wish they would make a game with the first Big Boss...she was quite something to have touched so many people's life. WW2 setting another bonus
That was Kojima's original idea for MGS5 before he scrapped it.
+kaden overstreet No, Kojima wanted to make that a different game entirely. MGSV was always meant to bridge the gap between Ground Zeroes and Metal Gear 1.
+kaden overstreet That was what he wanted peace walker to be. And as for Nav Dhillon, it was the boss, not big boss.
Who knows it probably won’t happen now since the suits at Konami had a disagreement with Kojima and have the rights to the Metal gear name.
"We can target specific individuals" meaning FoxDie 😉
Funny enough, I had a hunch that Zero was voiced by a different actor and sadly he is, but Time Winters for what little he has, he does a damn good job playing zero. He has that age to his voice that fits him well and is able to properly get all the little things in his performance right...shame that all of these IMPORTANT THINGS, ain’t fuckin cutscenes though.
I absolutely agree, I would have loved to see the entire vision of Paz meeting Zero, Paz revealing his location and Skull attacking Zero. So much opportunity but I guess a game this big they just could afford resource to make those scenes ??
My hunch is that zero was supposed to be in chapter 3
If you shoot ocelot with sleep darts he says 2 + 2 = 5
12:18 this sounds SO familiar to P.T.’s hallway door closing
Its a crossover
Damn it kojima ! After beating mgs v and now knowing whole truth I want to play whole series again ! You damn genius you
the chain of retaliation is what will truthly bind this world together as one
Can you imagine how much better the game would be if Kojima had the time to animate these?
Instead we have a tragic waste. Main plot filled with void and biggest revelations happening outside the plot.
@@Mish844 I still blame Kojima as much as I blame Konami
@@AlphaWasSpotted Agreed
@@AlphaWasSpotted absolutely!
I highly doubt if he will animate it.
I wonder what Eva response when she find out that big boss fell in 9 year coma
it would be nice to see more of Eli,David,Solidus and Jack and even Zero and Eva. In this game at least hear more from them.
More eli? Yeah we should. Solidus and David? Why? It wouldn't make sense. They'd never met.
I'm late but Solidus' name is George
@@Rorschach003 yeah i know his name is George! I've played all the MGS games
Eva was the one who escorted BOSS to the Hospital WTF! How did I miss this and finding out in 2021. This game just keeps on giving!
The ending of the game throws a lot of shit at you, even before it is actually the real ending. I missed a ton of stuff that I’m still finding out to this day.
Zero spoke to Big Boss two years into his coma, he couldn't tell which man was Big Boss and which was Venom.
And yet, in the opening of the game, Venom's facial surgery was performed shortly before the XOF attack...
Well, when you walk into a room and there's two beds with two people in it, probably both bandaged, would you ask "which one is he?"? Of course you would. Then again, there's the possibility that the Truth Tapes are a lie and that Venom Snake is just a differet personality of Big Boss'.
This. They were probably bandaged to hide their identity just like the doctor tells you at the beginning of the game.
It doesn’t tell you when it is, it just says there’s been no change for 2 years...that could’ve been 2 years since a change or 2 years since it happened...
XOF is FOX/Diamond dogs, cipher was the one who attacked MSF and the hospital
Venom snake is skullface, Ishmael is not real, he even admits it in the beginning.
Big boss woke up before Skullface and left the hospital.
if you hear at the end of the last tape big boss starts breathing heavily. I think he somehow feels that zero was talking to him. XD!
Replaying this game again. Idc what ppl say. The nostalgia from peace walker, paz. Everything. It was a master piece. Quiet didn't die in the dessert. She lives on.
As much as I love listening to these tapes after the fact, I still think the biggest flaw of this game is that the most important story information isn't actually a part of the game's plot
I strongly agree, the plot is the weakest thing in the game. It had a lot of potential, too bad kojima didn't see it that way...
There was a falling out in Konami and Kojima was fired after nearly thirty years of notable achievements and awards. This is what happens when people run businesses without morals which can be found in the Bible and Tradition. I don’t know how to say this gracefully about business but like families there’s a reason God hates divorce.
@@mikelao8434 I agree, but Kojima almost bankrupted Konami with his expensive projects so Kojima left Konami no choice unfortunately.
I agree, these should have been cutscenes incorporated into the games story
Yes these were too important to leave in tapes. Absolutely should have been ingame cutscenes. The plot itself is still great just for the ruse of Venom alone.
Zero never hated big boss they were divided between difference both wanting the same thing to fulfil the will of the boss herself it's sad we never got to see zero in V if only Konami gave kojima more time we could of had a big section of the game as the real big boss basically calling chapter 3 truth this is why in my opinion big bosses chapter in the mgs universe isn't yet complete
"Adam, I'm counting on you."
my question is, who else other than Zero was aware of Skullface before this ??
There's no way of knowing who knew of him outside of maybe XOF. Perhaps Donald Anderson and Dr Clarke knew, but Zero kept Skullface a secret from pretty much everyone. Big Boss didn't even know Skullface was part of Operation Snake Eater, and that he was shadowing Snake the whole time.
I think the phrase "From Zero, to Omega", must mean all the FOBS must have no soldiers. I think whoever we recruit might have been working for Cipher. Omega means last which can also mean nothing.
Zero loved Big Boss
Someone correct me if i'm wrong but is the man Zero and Skull Face are referring to in the beginning of their conversation The Sorrow? The way Zero describes The Boss' reaction to him giving her the pin points me to The Sorrow.
Alex Blast Probably not. The Sorrow’s corpse is in Russia and it is explicitly stated that The Boss killed him. Layforce was in Egypt during World War 2 and the Sorrow died in the 60’s.
It’s an unknown soldier
noo, Paz 😢
I was always curious what Eli was doing in Africa in the first place.
Keep in mind Keifer Sutherland wasnt playing Snake he was playing a body double
It was the Medic!
Who recorded all these damn things?!?!?!
Ocelot and Zero. Miller was off the board to record these within the 9 years after mother base's destruction, Paz was dead after the Ground Zeroes events by bomb, and the rest I can say is.. a collection of Phantoms. Miller as we know died inside after his tumultuous history, which left him filled with rage and resentment. Ocelot, despite everything, still was loyal to the ONE guy who proven himself against him- Big Boss, and spent his life fighting to and fro for the man- betraying, planning, working alongside other parties, and even fighting the genetic sons of his Idol, he lived and died like he lived- on the top of Outer Haven in MGS4, having fooled the entire world that Big Boss was dead, until "Naked Son". The man was in comas which took his life- a life he spent fighting for what he believed in. First the death of MSF, which meant 9 years. And then the fall of Zanzibar Land, which took a REALLY BIG CHUNK of his life, because not only was he old as FUCK by MG1 and MG2 he was kept alive in a fucking cryostasis and having underwent replacement surgeries until David brought him back- accidentally. And then he DIES because FoxDIE. But not after bringing down the man who started ALL the smoke- Zero.
Funny how, in this context, Zero caused the 1977 New York Blackout to visit Big Boss. Reminded me of that gizmo from MIB that did the same in its own context
Piecing everything together as best I can given the hints towards certain things being a lie:
1. Both "Big Boss" and the Medic are moved to Dhekelia in Cyprus in order to receive medical treatment. When Zero visits, BB's doctor claims that he's still been in a coma the past two years. We do hear Big Boss's heart pumping abnormally fast for someone in a coma, so its possible that he's either faking or just in a medically-induced one. The Medic's transformation also shouldn't have happened until the last month of his stay, so a second patient had to have been given plastic surgery to have the appearance of Snake. We do know that Zero implied that a "mental copy" of Big Boss was prepared before Ocelot had even
got involved, so I'm thinking that this was the original copy. The Medic did have a very distinct head injury and missing arm that you would think that Zero would have mentioned, and yet he can't tell the two apart. This leads me to believe that while the Medic and Big Boss were both in the same hospital, they didn't actually share a room. This would help explain the "non-smoking ward" comment and the sound a of a sliding versus hinged door.
2. Awakening. Given the evidence shown through MGSV, it seems pretty reasonable to assume that Ishmael was simply a hallucination in Venom's mind. Given this "Fight Club" type twist, when we see the full version of events play out in "The Truth" mission, we're also given context on how to view the end scene.
The cutscene filmography starts off showing a controlled zoom-in on Venom's face which is in the center of the frame. This happens a few times in Fight Club to hint that what Jack is about to see is a hallucination. We then cut to "Big Boss" and Ocelot in a cutscene where everything is viewed in a controlled manner; all cuts, pans and zooms are conducted as if the "camera" was moving about a track. This is in stark contrast to the shaky third-person cam that you see for the rest of the game and is a specific detail mentioned by Kojima himself. The time frame for this occuring make no sense at all, as you can see the sun rising as Big Boss goes to depart; Ocelot presumably departs after this convo and takes Venom to the freighter, and yet it remains dark for the entirety of time thereafter. We know that the only concept art of Big Boss from MGSV isn't even Big Boss, it's simply Venom wearing the same Biker outfit from that cutscene. And what do see occur before Big Boss rides off into the sunset? A controlled zoom-in with Big Boss's face at the center of the frame.
This and the content of the "Big Boss" Truth Tapes tells me that the tapes and cutscene in question were just further mental conditioning used by Ocelot to "cement" Venom's Doublethink. We see a sink in the Medic's hospital room that directly matches the sink that we see Venom has revelation in front of at the end of the game. "Big Boss" claiming that he was going to be the bodyguard for his own body double makes no logical sense, but it would have given to a tremendous boost to Venom's ego and psyche. As backwards as it may seem, I don't think BB was ever involved in the recording of those audio tapes. It was all scripted statements made by Venom while under the effects of hypnogogia. Big Boss likely departed a week or so before Venom was woken up, which is when Mantis picked up BB's brainwaves and caused the plane crash we can hear the audio of at the beginning of the game. Venom becoming aware of his dual existence is something Ocelot felt was likely inevitable
inevitable, so he devised the "Man Who Sold the World" tape to include an audio recording of a hypnotized Venom claiming he was Big Boss, and that they "both" were the real Big Boss in order to work together towards a common goal. He also leaked the BS "Truth Tapes" to give Venom the rest if the context he needed to make sense of things, and from there willfully chose to continue on being Big Boss.
inevitable, so he devised the "Man Who Sold the World" tape to include an audio recording of a hypnotized Venom claiming he was Big Boss, and that they "both" were the real Big Boss in order to work together towards a common goal. He also leaked the BS "Truth Tapes" to give Venom the rest if the context he needed to make sense of things, and from there willfully chose to continue on being Big Boss.
I’m still not sure who to blame after all that time regarding what happened in MGSV (the repetitive gameplay) #Konami or #Kojima ? But after what i personally saw in #DeathStranding i can say 50/50 blaming on both sides...
As for the story of MGSV, in a way or another it is finished if you focus only on the main missions and listen to several #CassetteTapes!! (Even tho i personally wished back then if some of those detailed tapes could’ve been real time missions)
I don't remember getting any of these tapes when I beat the game did I miss something do I have to go back somewhere and get them
Finish mission 46
Eh..why does Skull Face want BB and Zero dead?
He holds Zero responsible for his disfigurement and his past being destroyed. Big Boss was just an obstacle on the path of revenge towards Zero.
It’s more metaphorical than anything, Skull Face is meant to be another Phantom if Big Boss.
Idea is Skull Face aided him from behind the Shadows throughout the Soviet Jungle mission in MGS3 but he doesn’t get any recognition, more so he’s lost his identity as well. So he’s kinda a dark mirror of Venom Snake himself, just unlike Venom (Us the Player) he’s angry and resentful of the whole ordeal.
It’s quite an interesting concept and fits well with the Venom reveal, it’s just the story got cut a little short due to production issues.
Skull Face vowed revenge on people with globalist ambitions (Such as Zero, Big Boss, the USA, the USSR...), those who strip people away from their language.
Skullface is venom snake, he knew about the phantom project. He doesn't hate big boss he hates zero and clears that during the jeep ride saying that zero took away his past and destroyed any promise of a future.
inventing dimension jump technology to teleport myself into the universe where this game was finished
There hasn't been a game in this generation can up to this level of Mgs5. Best gaming franchise and best game on ps4.Tactic stealth action game had disappeared after Hitman 3 releasing.
Oh shit.
The recording we heard in ground zereos
One event led to a chain reaction. Paz and zero. Then skull face got the info.
And we know the rest.
Why did zero sent Paz to kill big boss during peace walker again?
He didn’t want Big Boss dead. Zero wanted Big Boss to see and do things Zero’s way at all costs. “That’s an offer?” - Big Boss (Peace Walker Incident)
Question: why the hell did they put Volgin in the same hospital as Big Boss? Isn’t that like putting a mantis in the same pet habitat as a cricket?
So I know all the lore, but maybe you all can give me your interpretation of what BB meant when he said “what [the twins] are is much sicker than that.”
I think he meant they were basically just tools to Zero, a means to an end. As Huey put it in one of his tapes, with talent like his, if Big Boss just died it would be a terrible loss. Not to mention, he was basically a legend to the average soldier, on top of being the best there was. With the ability to make identical copies, why wouldn't you want to? While it's never explicitly stated I believe, popular theory is that what drove Big Boss to leave Cipher was finding out about the cloning, and that Dr Clarke (Paramedic in MGS3) took the samples without his knowledge. This would explain why he doesn't see them as copies of him or his children. In a weird sort of way, this is the most merciful, he sees them as their own people.
What about Solidus?? we hear about the other two what about him?
to be fair MGS2 gave solidus all the spotlight and he was in the last parts of MGS1
Peacewalker yeah, but it explains Eli’s back story, you don’t get much about David apart from the fact that he’d been in the States, but you don’t really hear about Solidus at all...
The only thing that can be deducted from this that since Ocelot refers to the Solid and Liquid as being raised "free range"probably means Solidus never had that luxury..
@@Aivottaja That and he had a more severe version of the accelerated aging process. MGSV takes place a few years before the war in Liberia, which Solidus was dispatched in. My beliefs is that due to Solidus possibly being the first of the Les Enfants Terribles to experience real combat Cipher had blacked out his existence, most likely on Zero's level.
there are alot of Cassette Tape Deserve to be seen as a cut sences !!! damn you kojima ! you played us like damn feddle
Why would Zero protect Snake if they were at war?
+Greg Young Just because they're on opposite sides of the battlefield, doesn't mean they hate each other. I haven't completely finished the series yet, but from what I can tell, Zero never wanted Big Boss dead, per say, he just wanted him to stay out of his way.
Maybe since XOF is a branch of Cypher, Zero felt slightly responsible for his friends coma, and wanted to make sure that Snake would make it out of the coma intact. That's what I got from it, at least.
+BigTalon256 I'm pretty sure Big Boss hated Zero and that's why the game story continues
Greg Young Maybe Zero was the only one who thought him as a friend then? Idk
+Greg Young Although Big Boss and Zero had different understandings of the Boss' vision, they both had something in common: Whatever it was they saw, they wanted to create something that would make the Boss happy. Their execution of that vision might have been at odds with each other, but they were still doing the same thing and believed they were right, while the other one was wrong. So it's about seeing yourself doing the right choice in light of the other person.
It's almost like a sport. Suppose you were racing against a really fast opponent. Both of you have the same intention: Reach the goal before the other one does. Now imagine you would push him off the track during the race and he would be thrown back, and couldn't possibly catch up to you anymore. Yes, that would make you reach the goal before him - but you wouldn't know if you won because you were better than him. A much more satisfying victory is to let your opponent be, reach the goal before him and proof to yourself, and him, that you were the better man.
Does that make any sense?
Greg Young Well Big Boss hated Zero for making clones without his knowledge. Zero on the other hand never had a reason to hate Big Boss.
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Just out of curiosity, I'm not done the game yet, but how do i get these?
Complete misison 46 the final one
Ironically Ocelot would one day be made to play a similar role to the deceased Liquid Snake, even being equipped the a replacement for a lost forearm
Who was zero talking to at the hospital in the last tape? Before he was talking to Big Boss (who was in a coma)
The doctor in the hospital, you can recognize the voice from the trailer. "He took some shrapnel... To the head..."
I thought he was talking to occalot.
The doctor in trailer who said that was in the hospital in columbia yet this tape is three years later and they have supposedly been moved to cyprus? I do agree the voice is definitely that of the doctor in trailer. Also how can surgery be done in 1977 and then again in 1984 by a different doctor, i don't by that zero could not recognise them due to bandages as this was 3 years later. It's implied that they have already been moved in the tape but judging by the doctors being the columbia doctor and if you listen carefully you can hear children when doctor opens door to leave. Inconsistency's draw me to believe this is a lie or hallucination.
@@frankjaeger393 nah you're just a moron making stuff up
How do you get the truth records
Finish mission 46
WHO WHAT IS WHOM AND WHICH GAME WHO IS WHAT OMG WHY SUCH CONFUSION
Paz and zero banged?
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After Paz’s annoyingass voice
Im sure Zero pulled a Shinji on Big Boss while he was in the coma lol
Am I the only one who thinks Venom Snake is the Big Boss from Metal Gear 1 and 2 and he actually dies in 2. Then at the end of Metal Gear Solid 4 is the real Big Boss/Naked Snake appears from hiding to see Solid Snake for the first time. Seems to fit but might have some flaws.
SolidRaiden2449 Venom dies in Outer heaven (MG1)
Tsvet then is it the real Big Boss in MG2?
SolidRaiden2449 Yes, after that he went into a coma.
Tsvet oh ok like I said there could be flaws and that is quite a flaw hmm
+Joey Andrew
Actually, the Zanzibar Land Disturbance takes place in 1999, not 1998.
I thought a couple of years might soften me on this plot, but I honestly hate it more over time.
So, Does Big Boss ever accept the twins as his son?
He accepts David as a fellow soldier. Think it's safe to say that Solid Snake is the only one Big Boss really respects. Liquid and Solidus? Either doesn't care or doesn't respect them
Clearly didn't respect him enough to just throw him away to what was supposed to be a suicide mission in Outer Heaven.
AFTER Outer Heaven, Zanzibar, Shadow Moses and the Patriots incident anyway
In MGS4 he says to Solid Snake:
"I never thought of you as a son, but I always respected you as a soldier... and as a man"
He even calls him 'a son...no... a brother' during that conversation if I recall correctly. (He says something like that)
oh man it was a good idea to reveal crucial game info through cassette tapes....
Hmm...
JOHN 3:16
FOR GOD SO LOVE THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE
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Wow, really makes you think... that Kojima is a total fucking hack and couldn't write himself out of paper bag.
Is that a joke? You know Konami had a falling out with Kojima during the Obama administration. Kojima will probably not make another series so you can pick up a bible in the meantime.
@@mikelao8434 What has Obama got to do with this?
@@MrPolicekarimor the Bible for that matter
Also I bet whatever you write compares to a Wattpad artist OP
@@TheFattestBlunt. “Hurr durr, can’t criticize people who are better than you at something, like a surgeon, though much better a much better surgeon than me, fucked me up due to gross incompetence”
Yeah, if you even thought for a minute that logic made sense, congratulations: you are one fucking idiot.
it's hard to listen to queefers voice, it's nasal, and not as cool as hayters voice, it's really odd hearing them talk about things they have no idea about, no understanding, when some of it is very real.
Show us your voice I bet you sound like Kyle's cousin Kyle from South Park
The story is still as relevant then as it is now. Knowing another proxy war is happening.