I can't wait for this to become a series!!!! Late romanticism in the 1880s, impressionism in the 1910s, the influence of jazz in the 1930s, oh my!!!! I don't even know what to expect for the 1970s!!!!
I've considered doing other genres like etudes, four-hands sonatas, character pieces, etc. The current sonatas project will definitely run through the 1800s and maybe continue into the 1900s, but public domain availability dries up after the 1920s or so which makes things more difficult. Thanks!
Yes certainly elements shared by both. There’s also something quirky in the upper register that makes it sound like the notes rapidly “echo” themselves, like they’re being struck twice or have a quick delay on them. Definitely makes this instrument sound one of a kind.
Man, I love Beethovens 28th. Such a nice reflective melody, and it sounds great on that period piano! How does the action of the keys compare to a modern piano?
The action would’ve depended on a variety of factors and where it was made. Viennese actions were lighter and more agile with shallower keybeds, requiring barely any force to play, while English pianos like the Broadwook that Beethoven preferred had a relatively heavier action and generally more power. This was also before Erard’s invention of the double escapement (1820), so repeated notes were more difficult to play since the hammers had to reset fully after each keystroke. You see that technique increase exponentially in music when that mechanism starts to catch on in the 1820s.
Yeah I’m not sure what it is, I really wanted to like it and sought out many different recordings but none of his sonatas have really caught on for me yet.
Yes it’s quite eye-opening (or…ear-opening), and certainly gives you an appreciation for what others thought at the time when something new by him appeared.
Your lack of love for Weber's Piano Sonatas broke my heart. They actually helped me realize his genius after passing him off as a B grade composer for almost 30 years.
@PianoCurio indeed i find some of them interesting i knew kuhlauh and Hummel, very good for sure. The chromatic composer was very interesting to me, however you can realize why Beethoven was claimed as an astonishing improviser. His ideas and technique was beyond their contemporaries
Chopin will certainly make an appearance at some point, but I'm not sure I could include his first sonata over Schubert's B-flat D. 960 (also composed in 1828)! I appreciate the suggestion though
A unique selection, no words. And Hammerklavier!!!! I'm really looking forward to the continuation. Question to the artist - what keyboard do you use? Sound from pianoteq , and the keyboard itself?
I like these videos, it may be a lot to ask, but is there any chance you could record Kozeluchs final sonatas? The Opus. 51, 53, and the unpublished ones after 1810… I have a score of them I could share as they are not available online, quite lovely, a mixture of Beethoven and Mozart at times
Glad you like them! I'd be happy to take a look at the Kozeluch sonatas, especially if they aren't available online. I can't promise anything, but if inspiration strikes then I might consider a recording at some point.
May I ask how and where you were able to access this instrument? Thanks for sharing. And very nice playing btw. Keep it up! I’m a piano player myself. Been meaning to go on a Europe musical tour of sorts, to see all the famous musical areas of the past. Expensive though 😢.
Thank you! It’s part of an instrument pack that is included free with any Pianoteq package I believe. It’s called KIVIR (something something virtual instrument restoration), and it has several instruments worth exploring.
@@Tristan-zt8tw correct, it’s algorithmically modeled to recreate the sound of the real thing (based on an existing instrument), as opposed to being sampled. It’s not a substitute for the real thing, but I think it’s compelling enough in many cases.
Probably you' ve not read the great book by Von Lenz about Liszt and the admiration tributed to the Great C.M.von Weber.... Weber' s Sonatas are probably, together with the greatest by Schubert, the most important contribution to the development of all the resources of piano' s sonorities.... Probably, posting opus 49 by Weber would have been more effective if done through the very virtuosic and innovative third movement....but probably you have found it too difficult...
I certainly can't deny their influence historically, my comments in the description just stemmed from the fact that I don't really connect with them personally at this point in my life. But I always keep an open mind and someday perhaps they'll grow on me. I do like the finale of the first sonata of course, and would have featured it, but it lost out to Dussek's Invocation sonata that was also composed in 1812. That left nos. 2 and 3, and yes, I considered the finale of the latter, but I didn't love the music and the thought of practicing it alongside Hammerklavier and Hummel 5 was...exhausting, to be honest. In any case, I did not mean to deny the importance of Weber, so thanks for pointing that out.
This being said: you played all this with your own fingers?! If so, kudos!! This Hummel sonata looks like Clementi on steroids, with its sixths and thirds and these awkward downwards broken chords... 😱
Thank you! It’s quite strange actually that tuning wasn’t standardized back then so you’d probably hear the same pieces in all kinds of ranges. A tuning fork that Beethoven owned rings around 455 today, much higher than we’re used to, so I experimented with this video at 415. Clementi on steroids…love that description hahah and I totally agree. I used to describe much of Dussek’s other music as Haydn on steroids!
What's your favorite discovery on this list?
I can't wait for this to become a series!!!! Late romanticism in the 1880s, impressionism in the 1910s, the influence of jazz in the 1930s, oh my!!!! I don't even know what to expect for the 1970s!!!!
I don’t imagine it would go so far, the piano sonata seemed to be at its peak at the end of the 18th and beginning to mid of the 19th century
@BourkeKristian1 It would be cool with other genres, maybe
I've considered doing other genres like etudes, four-hands sonatas, character pieces, etc. The current sonatas project will definitely run through the 1800s and maybe continue into the 1900s, but public domain availability dries up after the 1920s or so which makes things more difficult. Thanks!
Another excellent video
I love the sound this instrument. It almost sounds like an harpsichord or even a guitar.
Yes certainly elements shared by both. There’s also something quirky in the upper register that makes it sound like the notes rapidly “echo” themselves, like they’re being struck twice or have a quick delay on them. Definitely makes this instrument sound one of a kind.
The little passages between sonata movements are just delightful to hear!
Man, I love Beethovens 28th. Such a nice reflective melody, and it sounds great on that period piano! How does the action of the keys compare to a modern piano?
The action would’ve depended on a variety of factors and where it was made. Viennese actions were lighter and more agile with shallower keybeds, requiring barely any force to play, while English pianos like the Broadwook that Beethoven preferred had a relatively heavier action and generally more power. This was also before Erard’s invention of the double escapement (1820), so repeated notes were more difficult to play since the hammers had to reset fully after each keystroke. You see that technique increase exponentially in music when that mechanism starts to catch on in the 1820s.
Weber's 2nd sonata is an incredible masterpiece that Chopin loved.
Yeah I’m not sure what it is, I really wanted to like it and sought out many different recordings but none of his sonatas have really caught on for me yet.
Thank you, I love to see the evolution! Keep up the amazing work.
Thank youuuu
I'll say that the rise in quality when its Beethoven's turn is amazing
Yes it’s quite eye-opening (or…ear-opening), and certainly gives you an appreciation for what others thought at the time when something new by him appeared.
Wonderful video!
Your lack of love for Weber's Piano Sonatas broke my heart. They actually helped me realize his genius after passing him off as a B grade composer for almost 30 years.
Oh no! 💔 I’m sure I’ll come around to them someday, tastes evolve.
Awesome!
What keyboard do you use with pianoteq?
Also, excellent channel. I've discovered some very beautiful music from you. Please keep going.
Yamaha N1X. Thank you, much more to come!
Without any doubt I can see why Beethoven was ahead of everyone.
I try my best to do the others justice, but there's just no competing with Beethoven when they're compared side-by-side like this.
@PianoCurio indeed i find some of them interesting i knew kuhlauh and Hummel, very good for sure. The chromatic composer was very interesting to me, however you can realize why Beethoven was claimed as an astonishing improviser. His ideas and technique was beyond their contemporaries
@@michelcamachomusic i think weber sounds pretty good but yeah other then that beethoven kind of dominated
When you hit 1820s/30s pls include chopins 1st sonata it was written around then
i like the sonata, not amazing but good, i don't know if it should be included tho since its not a work chopin was proud to publish
Chopin will certainly make an appearance at some point, but I'm not sure I could include his first sonata over Schubert's B-flat D. 960 (also composed in 1828)! I appreciate the suggestion though
A unique selection, no words. And Hammerklavier!!!!
I'm really looking forward to the continuation.
Question to the artist - what keyboard do you use? Sound from pianoteq , and the keyboard itself?
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it. I use a Yamaha N1X with Pianoteq.
I like these videos, it may be a lot to ask, but is there any chance you could record Kozeluchs final sonatas? The Opus. 51, 53, and the unpublished ones after 1810… I have a score of them I could share as they are not available online, quite lovely, a mixture of Beethoven and Mozart at times
Glad you like them! I'd be happy to take a look at the Kozeluch sonatas, especially if they aren't available online. I can't promise anything, but if inspiration strikes then I might consider a recording at some point.
May I ask how and where you were able to access this instrument? Thanks for sharing. And very nice playing btw. Keep it up! I’m a piano player myself. Been meaning to go on a Europe musical tour of sorts, to see all the famous musical areas of the past. Expensive though 😢.
Thank you! It’s part of an instrument pack that is included free with any Pianoteq package I believe. It’s called KIVIR (something something virtual instrument restoration), and it has several instruments worth exploring.
@ so it’s a digital recreation of a piano? Very interesting
@@Tristan-zt8tw correct, it’s algorithmically modeled to recreate the sound of the real thing (based on an existing instrument), as opposed to being sampled. It’s not a substitute for the real thing, but I think it’s compelling enough in many cases.
2:24 Chopin´s Farewell waltz reference
I hear it too, very cool to see the foundations of his style in a piece written 25 years before that waltz!
Probably you' ve not read the great book by Von Lenz about Liszt and the admiration tributed to the Great C.M.von Weber.... Weber' s Sonatas are probably, together with the greatest by Schubert, the most important contribution to the development of all the resources of piano' s sonorities....
Probably, posting opus 49 by Weber would have been more effective if done through the very virtuosic and innovative third movement....but probably you have found it too difficult...
I certainly can't deny their influence historically, my comments in the description just stemmed from the fact that I don't really connect with them personally at this point in my life. But I always keep an open mind and someday perhaps they'll grow on me. I do like the finale of the first sonata of course, and would have featured it, but it lost out to Dussek's Invocation sonata that was also composed in 1812. That left nos. 2 and 3, and yes, I considered the finale of the latter, but I didn't love the music and the thought of practicing it alongside Hammerklavier and Hummel 5 was...exhausting, to be honest. In any case, I did not mean to deny the importance of Weber, so thanks for pointing that out.
Listened to the first 3 seconds. Had to stop when that sonata in b major was played in b flat...
The piano is tuned to 415
@PianoCurio The "Hammerklavier" in a major!? Unlistenable!
This being said: you played all this with your own fingers?! If so, kudos!! This Hummel sonata looks like Clementi on steroids, with its sixths and thirds and these awkward downwards broken chords... 😱
Thank you! It’s quite strange actually that tuning wasn’t standardized back then so you’d probably hear the same pieces in all kinds of ranges. A tuning fork that Beethoven owned rings around 455 today, much higher than we’re used to, so I experimented with this video at 415.
Clementi on steroids…love that description hahah and I totally agree. I used to describe much of Dussek’s other music as Haydn on steroids!