Well i had an acquaintance who studied aikido, he was a bouncer at a club. One night some shit went down and he had to handle abt 4 to 5 guys. As we knew him, we wanted to step in to help, in our group there were some boxing, muay thai and silat practitioners. The thing is he flipped those guys even before we reached him and instead of helping, we stood in awe as he keep flipping this guys who still tried to get up and hit him. The guys eventually gave up since hitting concrete floor a number of times would have cause a lot of damage. The bouncer too said the same thing, if u are used to fighting and know how to fight, any martial art u learn will work.
I studied Aikido after I saw two examples of it live: One was on the news showing German riot police charging squatters and I saw a riot cop go to club what looked like a hippy in Army Disposals pants and coat and he flipped the cop over like a Catherine Wheel on the spot and the he landed flat on his back. The second was whilst waiting in line to buy a ticket at what was then Museum Station in Melbourne and this loud-mouthed, agro bogan type abusing everyone in the line tried to punch a woman in the face and a guy in a suit put him into Nikyo instantly and walked him over to the escalators where he threw him upside down into the wall saying "Insult's one thing and assaults another." The mouthy deadbeat had two friends just standing and watching and no one wanted to mess with the Aikidoka. I trained for four years under an ex-Vietnam veteran who had distilled the essence of the techniques and they worked. He had experience in war though. I like the Aikido taught by this guy for example: th-cam.com/video/AXd9S7THQ6g/w-d-xo.html Later, I trained with Dan Inosanto who said something really interesting along the lines of: "You can take a badly designed martial art and have someone with a natural talent turn it into a great martial art and you can take a really good martial and have someone with no idea turn it into a useless art." That was some thoughts I had on it anyway.
I sparred with an aikido guy and he almost wrist flipped me - he could’ve but didn’t want to be a dick. I thought it was complete crap until that moment.
I have Savate background, I ended up to live in Thailand, so I started Muay Thai… the Muay Thai kicks are not comparable to those in Savate, Savate is fine martial art, doesn’t teach you to be heavy, it teaches you to be light. ❤
FYI, a Dutch fighter using Savate made it to the finals of UFC 1. Although he lost to Royce Gracie in the last match, he still beat multiple other opponents in the Octagon under the limited rules of the 90s.
Gerard Gordeau also did karate. The main reason he succeeds was he was a dirty fighter. Biting, eye rakes, and more. He made Yuki Nakai permanently blind in his right eye by eye gouging it over and over. Amazing Nakai still won, even thogh he could not see properly.
@@alanguages gerad gordeu was a savate champion... A well known hard man and doorman.. And yes. A dirty fighter but he flattened everyone he fought in ufc2.. Including the former world kickboxing champion.. But yes.. He's got an extensive background in savate and then kykoshinkai karate
IM a savate fighter, i ve praticed muay thaï, Sanda and jjb. Savate help me à lot to improv my fighting style in every kick boxing sport. the Key of savate is to Moove ! Combinaison are great . I like the spirit too it's like à Martial arts with values. Savate defense is à good self défense sport too. Thanks for the vidéo.
Jason Hood I read this and was like “JJB? I don’t know what that is?” Then my three years of highschool French snapped back to me, and my Gi stared me in the face.
Savate has helped my legs to get so much stronger and fast. The leg work in savate is awesome, also it's more "street real" since we have shoes on (try doing a technique barefoot and than the same with shoes.. Different feeling). I do MuayThai, use the savate oblique and stop kick all the time.. Gets everyone.
I just got dismantled by my Savate training partner yesterday in the combats at the end of two hours’ training: a bloody nose, a dead leg and then *chef’s kiss* the liver shot. I’m used to getting hit in the plexus - my guard is lousy, as you’ll have gathered - but the liver shot is a whole other thing. Not only could I not breathe for several seconds, I thought I was going to throw up too. My teacher tried to make me feel better by saying he knows one guy who specialises in the liver shot - a real precision strike. I’ll stick with my training partner, thanks. All this to say that Savate is a great style for those who master it - and, as you say, it’s particularly good for teaching you how to move. “Pour placer, il faut déplacer !” my teacher likes to tell me: if you want to land strikes, you have to move around! My problem is that while my brain gets all this, my body is dyslexic: I can’t get it to put those principles into action. But like Ramsay says: “Get out there and train!” :-)
I don't recall whether you mentioned it, but the whole point of savate was originally to use the shoe! as a weapon. Think about a heavy or a not that very heavy but still rigid shoe. The roundhouse kicks were done originally with the point of the shoe, more like a thrust, and the oblique kicks (like coup de pied bas) were with the edge of the shoe. A single kick to the ribs of stomach very easily KOs an opponent if executed in a rigid shoe, there is even a video on youtube where one of the competitor's forearm was broken with a light kick in a savate match. What they are also very good at is the continous moving and kicking from angles.
Imagine your foot in a cocked position similar to that of a sidekick, toes pulled back. Now imagine throwing a roundhouse to the mid-section landing with the ball of the foot (with a shoe even easier!). I once did this move against someone wearing a bamboo slat TKD vest and scored a TKO and I wasn't even trying to kick hard. Good point!
Zsolt Sandor what to do with heavy boot suppose you are on the street or against a kick boxer the rule will not allowed you to wear savate boot . I think savate player should be skill ful.
@@ethanbell5508 there are more than eight moves in in savate .savate has a kickboxing sports style it also has a self-defense style and it also has a cane style/stick fighting style similar to fencing with a foil called la cane
kkk Savate have more techniques then 8 movements kkkk but still, savate is more focus in movement, finding angles and trapping your opponent in angles then having "more tools" to direct confront , after all it came from fencing
Savate is pretty much known through out the world.of martial arts as one of the most respected martial arts. Many legendary fighters like Ernesto boost, gerad gordou , and many other European world champions in K1 ...have been champions in savate ...before moving into k1 ..even now in the UFC fighters like Jon Jones use the savate stomp kick to the legs /knee. In street fights again..because savate kicks with boots on...so if anything its probably even more practical for the streets ( I'm an MMA coach and former pro kick boxer)
Actually Savate was created for the streets. I agree that Savate is better in the streets than in the ring. It gives a mentality of a hit and run thing rather than go all in beat em down. Savate focuses more on speed than power, which is logical considering they have boots on. A savate would have to do a lot more kick power training than any kickboxer if they really want to reach the top in ufc( if they don't want to switch to other power focused kicking styles).
@@YamamotoKazuo Mmm, no, that sounds like a pet theory. It's no less a "power kicking style" than others, even if they're not as well setup for shin and knee kicks from their competition rules. Half of savate was created to fight on docks and ships. There's no hit and run in those scenarios.
I've never trained savate but I had a fascination with it for years. One point I'd like to add is that before savant became a ring sport it developed as a street fighting art. As such work boots were worn. sometimes like today they may have metal reinforcement or wood reinforcement in the toe. Even in the ring sport today they wear shoes with rubber reinforced toes. Having such shoes on your feet limit the damage your foot can take during kicks. also since the toes are reinforced with hard material mean that you're hitting with a denser impact tool then your foot. so it protects your foot like a boxing glove would your hands but also hits harder like brass knuckles wood with a punch. given the rules of MMA do not allow for boots or shoes to be worn the technique of using your foot to kick becomes much more dangerous and potentially injuring to your foot. so for MMA the techniques might need to be modified somewhat but in the street if you're wearing stiff toe shoes, especially steel-toed boots, your feet become more of a weapon.
Bruce Lee adopted anything and everything as long as it worked for him. I read Tao of JKD, and Savate was shown in it, even the stop kick of the opponent. I think he portrayed that in Return of the Dragon against Chuck Norris.
@@alanguages I think that's the most mature view of martial arts, just combine what's useful and practice it. rather than be picky or irrationally proud, respect any style, keep what's useful, let go of the rest.
True about aikido. My aikido coach told me to train boxing for few months so I can improve my aikido skills. Basically no one will just come and grab my hand so I can throw him.
Your Aikido coach seems to be actualy smart like I said in one of my previous comments very few aikidokas actually know what a fight actually looks like and alot of Aikidokas who are ignorant about real life altercations assume that fighting is going to play out like it plays out in the dojo.
Moved to countryside France few weeks ago, and found a savate gym (I don’t know if it is a “pure” savate gym. I am a bit rusty atm, but coming from Thai boxing/kick boxing for mma. But the guys at this gym are pretty hardcore. Maybe I just got lucky, but I am learning a lot over there.
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Man I love that I found this video. You are so easy to listen to, very well spoken and informed, calm, collected, composed, clear and polite. I like a smooth, detailed talk with lots of insight and a genuine attitude. You got a new fan, Mr Cool.
Savate has the devastating “chasse bas” kick to the knee. A person who receives a full-force chasse bas could be in pain for years. A girl at my run club swung her leg backward during a post-run stretch, and her heel smacked into my knee. It took me a year to recover. I can only imagine how badly she could have damaged my knee with an “intentional” chasse bas.
usually when i see it written, its written as savate boxe francais, the mixed style. old street savate, from what i read, was kicks below the waist and open handed strikes for above. to circumvent the french laws about striking with a closed fist.
@@YamamotoKazuo Savate used both foot and hands technics. There used to be projections too before it became a sportn, when it was still a self defense technic.
Love this dude's voice... lol. Has he ever thought about a career in broadcasting. Is it feigned? Why do I feel like I'm listening to a weather report.
Do not forget you train Savate with shoes on, you can put a great amount of force on a small spot. And also your feet are better protected. But a great comment again as usual
I like your rational non biased opinions. I've noticed a good fighter can make most fighting styles work. If he understands positioning and has good timing.
Savate is an awsome martial art and well respected around the world by pro fighters... Many top fighters have trained and fought in it... Including Ernesto hoost who was a former world savate champion.. And he also said it was the hardest to master
Technically, the problem you had with hurting your foot is less about the technique and more the fact that Savate was originally made to be used while wearing relatively heavy shoes.
i ve seen many of your videos and i have to say that i m impressed by your honesty and advices you seems to be a real legit fighter and you having a gym in China says it all . Me i am from france and judo has allways been my sport , i ve compete a lot and now my son continues the legacy , he is in south corea now training in a very high ranked judo school he is a second degree black belt only 21years old , the 2 degree he got it in corea against very good corean judokas . Thanks and i wil continue to follow your videos , i m a judoka but well aware about many other martial arts .
If you watch how Bas Rutten lands liver kicks, it typically is with foot pointed and thats because he had boots. Any sort of foot protection opens up crazy damage potential
Not like I recommend anything but good shoes with some steel tips can be deadly while police won't treat you like they wuld if you use knife or some bat I would like to see how good someone with years of savate and judo combined would be on the street against trained fighters
Very glad to hear you say this. There's people who know how to fight and people who don't. Martial artists who know how to fight can demonstrate incredible practical skill where ever they are coming from. There's a bit of borg like group think these days that only MMA is and good then it comes to "really fighting" and all traditional styles are fake or lacking. Well done for articulating what those of us not simply bowing down and worshiping MMA have known all along. (Genuinely grateful!!)
Hey Ramsey, I'm a new sub and I really enjoy your videos. Your down to earth, friendly, honest and informative style of presenting is refreshing. Very enjoyable and easy to listen to. Here's the but... lol I like how you talk about various martial arts and the differences between the them. Would it be too much to ask for you to include some demonstrations of Savate or Wing Chung (whatever) when doing these videos, just for us that have no idea what the difference is?
Worth pointing out that Ueshiba did not teach anyone Aikido that did not already have a black belt in karate or jujitsu. It seems crazy that this fairly major point has been overlooked for so long. There have been some absolutely phenomenal judoka (Danny Da Costa comes to mind, who reached coral belt in it) that have gotten great value out of aikido much later.
@@MansMan42069 Disclaimer, I haven't studied aikido, and my experience with JJJ is pretty pathetic. But my thoughts are... I wouldn't call aikido more advanced, but rather more subtle. Most of its techniques are low percentage, but against an untrained opponent can allow you to avoid a "fight" in the conventional sense entirely. IMO you still need actual combative skills to make use of that, because without them you have no way to deal with an attacker that's actively resisting.
@mansman2167 as an aside, three years later, aikido is ninety percent redirection. Being able to understand force and its redistribution is a high level concept
Gene Labell has a self defense book with line drawings and cartoon rhymes printed in the 1970's I think (its like a cartoon book). One of the scenarios involve defense with a high taekwondo/savate round kick to the chest.
"the pursuit of truth" I think that is an excellent mandate, because it not only provides direction to the practitioner, it is also a means to retain integrity and be honest
this is spot on. every martial art pretty much operates with similar principles .. controlling ranges, striking efficiently, controlling your breathing and balance etc etc therefore the vast majority of techniques will have some merit in actual fights... but it requires u to know how to fight. how to stay calm, how to time, how to balance, knowing ranges, knowing where to strike, reading the situation and environment and so on
5:07 "Martial arts is about one thing and one thing only and that is the pursuit of the truth. And the truth is: Does your technique work or does it not. And we find out really really quick as soon as we get into the ring." I'am quote mining you. You should publish a book with those!
Dude your voice is exquisite.....I swear if you did voice work for commercial ads , television or a Matrix cartoon series as Morpheus, you would absolutely rock!!!!!!!
the savate is a very good one to start with and then evolve on another martial style. It gives a very solid foundation. The savate + muay-Thai complement each other very well.
Never studied Savate directly, but I have studied Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do and ah... there's a ton of Savate in it. It was basically his main inspiration for his kicking forms.
@@bad-people6510 There is a big problem in Savate is that certain blows are prohibited, such as kicks with the shins. Which is good when you learn because it forces you to improve your movements, but in terms of efficiency it's harmful.
I really like the intro story… If you know how to fight it all can be useful… Definitely have seen guys like Tony Ferguson use Wing Chun in fight… You need to know the basics of how to throw and defend against a punch, how to grapple or take someone down. You could be great with Ju Jitsu but if you don’t know how to force someone to the ground or how to defend against a punch, you may get knocked out before you ever get a chance to use it
I absolutely adore any form of Kickboxing, so I have a soft spot for Le Savate, in spite of the French reputation for weakness. In truth, France has seen many, many violent periods and incredibly destructive conflicts throughout its history. And if there’s one thing that history teaches us, it’s that violent times and areas are a breeding ground for fighting styles. Le Savate was born when the French government outlawed the use of the human fist as a means to try and deter street fighting. Sailors and military men soon adapted with their feet and with open handed slaps, often using the ropes on their ships to sustain balance. The term Savate comes from the word meaning “Old Shoe”, from the boots men would wear at sea. Today, it’s practiced all over and is comprised of three levels of official competition: Assaut, Pre-Combat and Combat. Lastly, unlike other styles which use belts to denote rank, Savateurs use colored gloves with Blue being the lowest and Silver being the highest.
isn't it the usa who are so weak that they needed an armor to play "american football" ? in europe, rugbymen don't use an armor. And french are good at rugby.
@@YamamotoKazuo Savate is not of Asian origin, it's a rumor. When we study the history of the savate, we realize that it existed before the French did not know the existence of the Asian martial arts
i think a good philosophy is to incorporate what works for you.. the example you gave is spot on, considering the amount of trash people talk about aikido. similarly, if i am not mistaken, bruce lee incorporated a lot of savate in jeet kune do.. and fencing, so you can pretty much get inspiration anywhere. some martial arts even incorporate animal movements, so i would say savate is definitely something that can be effectively incorporated in mma =)
Ouch I've done that before too here's what my old instructor taught me. The instep is for sport taekwondo but it's also a good way to break your foot. The ball of the foot is the traditional method used for front kicks and turning kicks just have to make sure you pull your toes back properly and angle it in correctly.
Aikido is extremely passive, since the positive philosophy is to avoid hurting anybody, just neutralise them. It has a great philosophy, but practicality is quite different.
The thing about Ikido that people don't get is that it's a technique designed to use the attackers power against themselves so if you combine it with Judo or Kickboxing it works wonders in a fight, but i hear Savate is not only a defence technique it's a fighting style
My brother in law, who runs a martial art gym in Taiwan, had a theory about the more esoteric martial arts. He said the idea that these spread because people were gullable is ridiculous. Square wheels don't exist, a combat style had to survive due to its effectiveness especially when death by ax was a very likely scenario. His idea is that most chinese kung fu is useless because its like a kid who never learned basic math doing algebra. Stuff like Aikido, Wing Chun, tai chi, bagua are probably advance systems that you learned after you learned the fundementals of actual fighting. He thinks there must have been an original style that you would learn before learning these other fist styles. Deeper into his elaboration he thinks it was a style similar to muay boran/bokator which most likely came from india and that was the system that Bhodidhama probably had taught the shaolin monks so many years ago. I'm not sure, he's probably wrong but I thought it made a lot of sense.
the original style is greek pankration("pain creation"😂), which found its way to india during the greek conquest, and subsequently flowed(along with buddhism) to china, and then to japan.
Steven Carrier it’s true I’ve lost savate light contact fights because the other guy would be taller and kinda “press the same button” - constantly pushing me away from him
About the sore foot syndrome for roundhouses... I've often trained by kicking one of those sand/water bag stands without the bag on it. The bag gives with the force of the kick, so it's not as bad as it seems. It works for feet and shins! :)
The advantage of Savage in the street comes into p,at when you are using hard soles shoes. It was designed with that in mind- and if you kick someone with the hard toe of a shoe, or the hard sole, it’s much more effective than your fare foot. For me, who usually wears ankle boots, it’s a great system of kicking. Not sure it’s great if you customarily wear sneakers, though.
Savate is a pretty special martial art, in a way that we have different rules. The main difference is that you fight with shoes, due to the fact that savate was originaly created in street fight. Shoes allowe you to hit with the point of the (pretty damn efficient if I you want my opinion). Another difference with practically all other martial art is that you can hit the back of your opponent. Another thing is that the tireur (a french boxer) is really fast, if you watch a professionnal savate match you will see that the tireurs are not massive in term of muscle because they are too fast in combat
savate training at least the warmup done by instructors on youtube, was really helpful for fitness and recovery, I enjoyed it, and it can be combined with kickboxing.
Hey Ramsey if I follow my JKD creed and absorb what is useful to me should I be training for high kicks and getting my legs more flexible one of my guros is Mike Krause and he is a former tkd championship fighter he always tries to get us to push our limits of range of kick but should I go for it when my main art is Silat.
yep, I've always said that about aikido. look at its founder, he had a lot of fighting and martial arts experience, then boiled it down to something different that worked for him and his philosophy. modern practitioners may have the aikido training, but not the journey it took Ueshiba to get there. I think the same could be said about JKD.
It's not that in Savate you are allowed to kick with the foot. It's more that we use the shoes as striking weapon. They are hard shoes, so the delivery of connecting kick is quite painful. It also change the kicking distance. That being said, now, there is a new set of rules called savate pro which allows, to a certain extend, to kick with the shins too. The sad part of modern Savate is that it lost a all its grappling and wrestling components, and the weapon part, with a stick or a staff, is taught separately too. Savate was what MMA is today. It's like a MMA with hard shoes. How could would it be to add this component to MMA? Pretty cool, I think.
I was taught a neat little known, technique by Salem Assli but I'm not sure if it was a savate move or from another style we worked on because it was a JKD academy. Has anyone ever seen the knife shield move where you quickly sna snap your leg back and get your shoe on your hand in one quick motion that way you have a shield on your hand so the knife can't cut it and possibly could get stuck in it. If not from savate does anybody know where this came from? Thank you very much. I love this page
He talks about the kicks but hardly any mention of training methods and footwork. If you already do Muay Thai for MMA, training Savate will insanely improve striking. Elusiveness, timing and range are a big part of Savate training which Muay Thai generally lacks (when training in the western world). Find a Savate club, go train there and see the difference in your sparring after using their training drills for a few months.
@@thememaster7 Couple of things but one is that in savate rules kicks are worth the most points and you cannot throw too many punches in a row without kicking which forces you to alternate between very precise timed combos and constant bouncing/feints. Fighters like Cyril gane, Wonderboy Thompson Adesanya even Jon jones do that very well, they basically never throw a naked strike without moving in and out of range at the same time and use their kicks like range finding jabs, they are all the way in or all the way out and rarely caught in between. Savate really is an evolution of classic French rapier/straight sword fencing, it really is very similar, you simply uses your feets like the pointy end of a sword.
In Savate you have shoes. Instep low kicks are used (fouette bas). Especially with the front foot and due to the mechanical properties of Savate kicks in general they can also be kicked so fast that it would be much more difficult to check them.
I like the look of Savate, albeit I'm 50 and don't think I can perform some of the higher roundhouse kicks these days. Savate trains to kick with boots/shoes on so some of the kicks like Fouetté I think are to put the toe of the shoe into the ribs. It might be why they can use the instep to kick areas that some other arts would use the shin. I used the instep instead of a shin kick once on a kick pad and I couldn't walk properly for a week!
Savate I believe become way deadlier if you add a steel cap shoes into the mix. I have a steel cap shoes (a tough but fairly light shoes) I use it to practice a few savate moves against a metal pole. Yes that shoes will crack a human skull even at 50% power. The pole is starting to develop huge dents and is bending.
As far as using Savate kicks in the streat I would say footwear would make a difference.Kicking with a nice sturdy boot would keep you from breaking your foot but take someone who is wearing sneakers tennis shoes or a pair of slides and you might mess up your foot.I actually stubbed my toe on a portion messed up sidewalk and I learn that if you stub your toe while wearing slides you might as well be wearing no shoes at all.
I like this video. one thing that I don't understand in variety of martial arts is why do they limit them so much. especially if you take three fighting styles that all involve similar attack. (I know that they are still different but they have certain similarity as well) I see no reason why one shouldn't combine several styles and simply take what is best from each. I know in MMA this is what its all about however honestly I would like to see something that allows all the things allowed in MMA but the fighters also wear shoes like they do in savate. also I can understand why they don't count points in savate if someone lands with their shin on the opponent rather than with a shoe. but I cannot understand why they deduce the points. on the other hand while it is important to learn how to fight bare foot first so that you don't have to rely on shoes if you don't have them. there should be a type of fighting that allows variety of martial arts yet allows for fighters to have shoes as well. considering that the whole idea of Mixed Martial arts is to use variety of martial arts. how effective savate is depends in large on a footwear you have if you fight bare foot some of the things in it would be helpful but others would be bad idea. if you are wearing steel toe shoes it would probably be one of the best if not the best martial arts to use. if you simply have sturdy shoes it would be quite useful in my opinion especially because savate fighters are very good at judging distance but honestly I would like there to be a system which combines all of different kicking styles and takes best from variety of punching as well. and the truth is that all of the stand up systems have things that work really well and things that would not work at all if opponent would add another dimension to a fight (I don't mean just in martial arts as a whole but specifically in a stand up game) and taking the best of each would make the best fighter overall.
Remember folks.....savate was done with a hard leather shoe, or a military boot......so inside step kicks, or even better checking a kick with the arch of the foot, takes on a whole other level .
Do you think kicking with the ball of the foot when doing roundhouse kicks is a realistic means of striking??? I visited a taekwondo school that practices a style more reminiscent of karate (and according to them, it's not tang so do) and I noticed that they taught their students to perform the strike that way. Just curious on what you think
There is also a pro savate discipline where you can use shin to kick and block. Plus reinforced shoes. But to compete in savate pro, you need to win any medal in major amateur championship
I think savate (which means shoes in french) was developped as a self defence system. In the street, you have few protection but your feet are heavily protected so use your boots (XIXth century leather shoes) like a weapon.
Christopher in kenichi ova anime uses savate and his comrades uses blades in their shoes with the savate martial arts It’s a deadly martial arts for sure and anyone that can defend against it is legendary good
I practice traditional Savate, which requires two toned button boots and a cravat to be effective. It doesn't work in the streets, but is devastating on a docked wooden sailing vessel.
I do kyokushin. I've noticed savate stuff online and looks interesting in terms of jump kicks for distance. So I've been wondering if there technique works, in terms of their jump kicks and stepping. I wonder if their jump and stepping kicks could be good for distance attacks.
My dad don't practice any martial art I know of..but with his height of 6'7 and the strength he has in his legs..he's got a mean piston kick that you don't wanna get hit by. I've seen him use that kick on a heavy bag and send it pretty far on a decently heavy bag that me and my little brother couldn't match doing that same kick even if we pulled it off at the exact same time and hit it together with all our strength.
I trained Savate and fought matches in Belgium, France and Holland i'm dutch b.t.w., you're right, if you don't have the balls to fight full contact nothing wil help you against someone who has! But some of the best Dutch Fighters Like Ernesto Hoost (4 times k1 winner and many titles in several disciplines, Lucia Rijker multiple world titles in several disciplines( stars in million dollar baby) Ivan Hypolite several world titles in several disciplines, and a few more have all trained in Savate before they went for muay thai, their trainer Johan Vos made them, because of the timing, distance, and technique you can see it in their style of fighting ( Ernesto isn't called Mister perfect for nothing) there was more money in thai boxing because the dutch (ignorant) public liked it more because of the k.o.'s, and the(in their opinion) ballet looking integrale Savate suits, little did they know about the technique and precision of Savate and of course the hard shoe's (you don't here the impact, but you certainly feel it) eventualy they also got bored by the cliching in muay thai which can look like hugging you're opponent and softly stroking him with your knee (little do they know indeed) and elbows to the face where seen like barbaric by the dutch upper class, that's why in holland they developed a style of kickboxing without the elbows and without clinching just to comply to the public's demand. that's how Savate went down the drain in Holland, because of ignorant public. The money was bigger in thai/ kickboxing, but the fighters that were trained in Savate and after that went for kick/ thai boxing were superior in technique, and yes Gerard Gordeau lost to Royce Gracie in the final of the first UFC challenge..but in his defence he fought with a broken hand and had a tooth removed out of his foot from Teila Tuli, UFC was much more dangerous in those times because there were not a lot of rules. Savate is great! even one of my favorite fighters "Diamond Ramon Dekkers" lost to Francois Pennacchio in a fight ( can be found on youtube) were he just couldn't make the right contact( no combo's just single kicks) with him because he danced around the ring so much. Holland has had a lot of great fighters (legends) for such a small country, and most of my favorites have trained Savate! Not just throwing and hoping you connect before you're opponent does, but tactical fighting, with more speed, distance control and superior technique! Salut! to add..a savate fighter can easily adjust and fight in multiple ring disciplines, a thai fighter can not because they kick with the shin and only have a few kicks to choose from they get disqualified a lot! And just cannot get into the right distance form they're opponent to really make their combo's when they fight a savate fighter on savate rules. I've seen it many times, ofcourse there is a flipside to this, when a savate fighter is kicked a few times with the shin on the thigh it will have a devastating effect on them to,( on who it wouldn't?;-))the choice of kicks in Savate is much larger and they train them all, while most thai/ kickboxing fighters only use round house (low, mid, high) and front push kicks Here's a link to a European title win in Savate by a young Ernesto Hoost. don't get me wrong, not saying one is better than the other! i respect all martial arts and you can learn from all of them! best way is a good standing discipline with a good grappling one...but in all cases, the situation decides..;-) th-cam.com/video/e579znOCDgo/w-d-xo.html
I practice both. I used to fight amateur muay thai and practice savate also referree and judge. Thai boxing is awesome but savate is smarter and more refined. Yes toe kicks don't work when you are bare foot. Savate is a shoe fighting style hence the name. In the streets people wear shoes. Bar, dance club or work most people wear hard shoes either work boots or hard dress shoes. Well my friends savate technics are designed for that. So yeah in real life savate is better in my opinion.
Pretty cool to hear an MMA guy mention a moment when he saw aikido work in the ring. Never thought I’d hear that.
Well i had an acquaintance who studied aikido, he was a bouncer at a club. One night some shit went down and he had to handle abt 4 to 5 guys. As we knew him, we wanted to step in to help, in our group there were some boxing, muay thai and silat practitioners. The thing is he flipped those guys even before we reached him and instead of helping, we stood in awe as he keep flipping this guys who still tried to get up and hit him. The guys eventually gave up since hitting concrete floor a number of times would have cause a lot of damage. The bouncer too said the same thing, if u are used to fighting and know how to fight, any martial art u learn will work.
It works but it depends on the praticioner most of aikido users don't spar thats the problem
I studied Aikido after I saw two examples of it live: One was on the news showing German riot police charging squatters and I saw a riot cop go to club what looked like a hippy in Army Disposals pants and coat and he flipped the cop over like a Catherine Wheel on the spot and the he landed flat on his back. The second was whilst waiting in line to buy a ticket at what was then Museum Station in Melbourne and this loud-mouthed, agro bogan type abusing everyone in the line tried to punch a woman in the face and a guy in a suit put him into Nikyo instantly and walked him over to the escalators where he threw him upside down into the wall saying "Insult's one thing and assaults another." The mouthy deadbeat had two friends just standing and watching and no one wanted to mess with the Aikidoka.
I trained for four years under an ex-Vietnam veteran who had distilled the essence of the techniques and they worked. He had experience in war though. I like the Aikido taught by this guy for example: th-cam.com/video/AXd9S7THQ6g/w-d-xo.html
Later, I trained with Dan Inosanto who said something really interesting along the lines of: "You can take a badly designed martial art and have someone with a natural talent turn it into a great martial art and you can take a really good martial and have someone with no idea turn it into a useless art."
That was some thoughts I had on it anyway.
KD Sanji 4-5 guys? Youre just making up stories
I sparred with an aikido guy and he almost wrist flipped me - he could’ve but didn’t want to be a dick. I thought it was complete crap until that moment.
I like how you respect every martial art, even those which you question their effectiveness.
I have Savate background, I ended up to live in Thailand, so I started Muay Thai… the Muay Thai kicks are not comparable to those in Savate, Savate is fine martial art, doesn’t teach you to be heavy, it teaches you to be light. ❤
Hey do you know of any savate classes in Thailand?
@@user-zm1rq6xj9v Nope, once I have moved to Thailand , I started Muay Thai to keep my self fit and trained.
I like the hit without getting hit aspect of Savate compared to Muay Thai. I don't want to take the punishment even great Muay Thai fighters take.
I was champion of Yugoslavia in 1990. and 1991, and i think it's a beautiful and elegant sport.
@@djurauws What a honor !!!
FYI, a Dutch fighter using Savate made it to the finals of UFC 1. Although he lost to Royce Gracie in the last match, he still beat multiple other opponents in the Octagon under the limited rules of the 90s.
Gerard Gordeau also did karate. The main reason he succeeds was he was a dirty fighter. Biting, eye rakes, and more. He made Yuki Nakai permanently blind in his right eye by eye gouging it over and over. Amazing Nakai still won, even thogh he could not see properly.
@@alanguages Shit 😲🤤
@@alanguages gerad gordeu was a savate champion... A well known hard man and doorman.. And yes. A dirty fighter but he flattened everyone he fought in ufc2.. Including the former world kickboxing champion.. But yes.. He's got an extensive background in savate and then kykoshinkai karate
@@alanguages Exactly, Gordeau has his own Kyokushinkai karate dojo today.
Cheater. He would bite the ear of his opponents. He once gauged out the eye of a Japanese fighter. He is a piece of trash.
IM a savate fighter, i ve praticed muay thaï, Sanda and jjb. Savate help me à lot to improv my fighting style in every kick boxing sport. the Key of savate is to Moove ! Combinaison are great . I like the spirit too it's like à Martial arts with values. Savate defense is à good self défense sport too. Thanks for the vidéo.
Jason Hood I read this and was like “JJB? I don’t know what that is?” Then my three years of highschool French snapped back to me, and my Gi stared me in the face.
Savate has helped my legs to get so much stronger and fast. The leg work in savate is awesome, also it's more "street real" since we have shoes on (try doing a technique barefoot and than the same with shoes.. Different feeling). I do MuayThai, use the savate oblique and stop kick all the time.. Gets everyone.
I just got dismantled by my Savate training partner yesterday in the combats at the end of two hours’ training: a bloody nose, a dead leg and then *chef’s kiss* the liver shot.
I’m used to getting hit in the plexus - my guard is lousy, as you’ll have gathered - but the liver shot is a whole other thing. Not only could I not breathe for several seconds, I thought I was going to throw up too.
My teacher tried to make me feel better by saying he knows one guy who specialises in the liver shot - a real precision strike. I’ll stick with my training partner, thanks.
All this to say that Savate is a great style for those who master it - and, as you say, it’s particularly good for teaching you how to move. “Pour placer, il faut déplacer !” my teacher likes to tell me: if you want to land strikes, you have to move around!
My problem is that while my brain gets all this, my body is dyslexic: I can’t get it to put those principles into action.
But like Ramsay says: “Get out there and train!” :-)
I don't recall whether you mentioned it, but the whole point of savate was originally to use the shoe! as a weapon. Think about a heavy or a not that very heavy but still rigid shoe. The roundhouse kicks were done originally with the point of the shoe, more like a thrust, and the oblique kicks (like coup de pied bas) were with the edge of the shoe. A single kick to the ribs of stomach very easily KOs an opponent if executed in a rigid shoe, there is even a video on youtube where one of the competitor's forearm was broken with a light kick in a savate match. What they are also very good at is the continous moving and kicking from angles.
This is true- Savate competitors wear shoes, as the sport evolved around fighting with shoes on.
My mom used the shoe as a weapon, it hurts that I know for sure :)
Now imagine receiving that snapping kick to the cheekbone.
With a rigid shoe on.
Ouch.
Imagine your foot in a cocked position similar to that of a sidekick, toes pulled back. Now imagine throwing a roundhouse to the mid-section landing with the ball of the foot (with a shoe even easier!). I once did this move against someone wearing a bamboo slat TKD vest and scored a TKO and I wasn't even trying to kick hard. Good point!
Zsolt Sandor what to do with heavy boot suppose you are on the street or against a kick boxer the rule will not allowed you to wear savate boot . I think savate player should be skill ful.
"Is savate any good for MMA?"Four basic kicks and four basic punches sounds good to me.
Does savate only teach 8 moves? Because if so that’s awesome then you can become really good at them moves
@@ethanbell5508 Well as far as I know yes.
@@masterciuff However, the basic kicks are 4: fouetté, chassé, reverse and charlemont (which is unused nowadays).
@@ethanbell5508 there are more than eight moves in in savate .savate has a kickboxing sports style it also has a self-defense style and it also has a cane style/stick fighting style similar to fencing with a foil called la cane
kkk Savate have more techniques then 8 movements kkkk but still, savate is more focus in movement, finding angles and trapping your opponent in angles then having "more tools" to direct confront , after all it came from fencing
Savate is a decent style of kickboxing. It's an underappreciated European martial art with a decent kicking, especially with a shoes.
the most underapreciated is chinese boxing sanda i think its the most complete kickboxing style for having som trows and grappling
With shoes, savate kicks are deadly !
Savate is pretty much known through out the world.of martial arts as one of the most respected martial arts. Many legendary fighters like Ernesto boost, gerad gordou , and many other European world champions in K1 ...have been champions in savate ...before moving into k1 ..even now in the UFC fighters like Jon Jones use the savate stomp kick to the legs /knee. In street fights again..because savate kicks with boots on...so if anything its probably even more practical for the streets ( I'm an MMA coach and former pro kick boxer)
Host a thai boxer who entered savate competions,neither actually trained savate to any degree.
Incorrect,gordeau was a kareteka and host a kickboxer who both competed in savate but didnt train in it to any degree
@@scarred10 True. And Gordeau was legendary for being an a**hole.
Actually Savate was created for the streets. I agree that Savate is better in the streets than in the ring. It gives a mentality of a hit and run thing rather than go all in beat em down. Savate focuses more on speed than power, which is logical considering they have boots on. A savate would have to do a lot more kick power training than any kickboxer if they really want to reach the top in ufc( if they don't want to switch to other power focused kicking styles).
@@YamamotoKazuo Mmm, no, that sounds like a pet theory. It's no less a "power kicking style" than others, even if they're not as well setup for shin and knee kicks from their competition rules. Half of savate was created to fight on docks and ships. There's no hit and run in those scenarios.
I've never trained savate but I had a fascination with it for years.
One point I'd like to add is that before savant became a ring sport it developed as a street fighting art. As such work boots were worn. sometimes like today they may have metal reinforcement or wood reinforcement in the toe.
Even in the ring sport today they wear shoes with rubber reinforced toes.
Having such shoes on your feet limit the damage your foot can take during kicks.
also since the toes are reinforced with hard material mean that you're hitting with a denser impact tool then your foot.
so it protects your foot like a boxing glove would your hands but also hits harder like brass knuckles wood with a punch.
given the rules of MMA do not allow for boots or shoes to be worn the technique of using your foot to kick becomes much more dangerous and potentially injuring to your foot.
so for MMA the techniques might need to be modified somewhat but in the street if you're wearing stiff toe shoes, especially steel-toed boots, your feet become more of a weapon.
Bruce Lee adopted Savate kicks for JKD. Jun Fan JKD is essentially a synthesis of Wing Chun, savate and Boxing.
Bruce Lee adopted anything and everything as long as it worked for him. I read Tao of JKD, and Savate was shown in it, even the stop kick of the opponent. I think he portrayed that in Return of the Dragon against Chuck Norris.
Isn't the back fist from Choy Lee Fut
@@alanguages I think that's the most mature view of martial arts, just combine what's useful and practice it. rather than be picky or irrationally proud, respect any style, keep what's useful, let go of the rest.
he only adopted some wing chun techniques, and add savate, muay thai, boxing, judo, jiu jitsu, wrestling
Savateurs fight with shoes which in my opinion prepares better for self defense since a shoe is a formidable weapon in its own right.
You've met my wife's grandmother, I see...
@@KonElKent Yes send her my best wishes.
True about aikido. My aikido coach told me to train boxing for few months so I can improve my aikido skills. Basically no one will just come and grab my hand so I can throw him.
Unless he's from the Caribbean
Weird, that happened to me too, although instead of pure boxing he recommended full contact
Your Aikido coach seems to be actualy smart like I said in one of my previous comments very few aikidokas actually know what a fight actually looks like and alot of Aikidokas who are ignorant about real life altercations assume that fighting is going to play out like it plays out in the dojo.
If you can't stand straight with a guy how you gonna flip him?
Aikido would still be useless lmfao
Moved to countryside France few weeks ago, and found a savate gym (I don’t know if it is a “pure” savate gym.
I am a bit rusty atm, but coming from Thai boxing/kick boxing for mma. But the guys at this gym are pretty hardcore. Maybe I just got lucky, but I am learning a lot over there.
Man I love that I found this video. You are so easy to listen to, very well spoken and informed, calm, collected, composed, clear and polite. I like a smooth, detailed talk with lots of insight and a genuine attitude. You got a new fan, Mr Cool.
Savate has the devastating “chasse bas” kick to the knee. A person who receives a full-force chasse bas could be in pain for years. A girl at my run club swung her leg backward during a post-run stretch, and her heel smacked into my knee. It took me a year to recover. I can only imagine how badly she could have damaged my knee with an “intentional” chasse bas.
If it has already recovered that doesn't even matter. That sounds dreadful and I'm sorry for you.
Clarification: Savate is the old Street oriented martial art. What you see in the ring is Boxe Francaise.
When you consider the type of footwear guys wore when Savate was created, kicking with the toe makes a lot more sense.
usually when i see it written, its written as savate boxe francais, the mixed style. old street savate, from what i read, was kicks below the waist and open handed strikes for above. to circumvent the french laws about striking with a closed fist.
Was it true savate didn't have punches and just used kicks before it became boxing savate?
@@YamamotoKazuo Savate used both foot and hands technics. There used to be projections too before it became a sportn, when it was still a self defense technic.
@@Jaimelefoiegras Don't forget the cane:D
I suggest everyone to watch the Savate episode of the "Fight Quest" TV show. Easy to find on youtube. It's really worth a watch to understand Savate!!
You should watch savage episode Human Weapon TV show instead
well I like both
I watched it was quite awesome.
Love this dude's voice... lol. Has he ever thought about a career in broadcasting. Is it feigned? Why do I feel like I'm listening to a weather report.
Don't forget - Savate has the coolest uniforms as well
I have done some savate and a lot of taekwondo. i like both.
Savate is awesome. I love love Savate.
Always cool hearing of your 1st hand experiences with students, visitors & other instructors you come across. I enjoy these vids
Do not forget you train Savate with shoes on, you can put a great amount of force on a small spot. And also your feet are better protected. But a great comment again as usual
They arent shoes they are thin soled like wrestling boot.
I like your rational non biased opinions. I've noticed a good fighter can make most fighting styles work. If he understands positioning and has good timing.
I love this channel! Ramsey is so humble and down to earth. What an inspiration!!
Savate is an awsome martial art and well respected around the world by pro fighters... Many top fighters have trained and fought in it... Including Ernesto hoost who was a former world savate champion.. And he also said it was the hardest to master
Technically, the problem you had with hurting your foot is less about the technique and more the fact that Savate was originally made to be used while wearing relatively heavy shoes.
i ve seen many of your videos and i have to say that i m impressed by your honesty and advices you seems to be a real legit
fighter and you having a gym in China says it all . Me i am from france and judo has allways been my sport , i ve compete a lot and now my son continues the legacy , he is in south corea now training in a very high ranked judo school he is a second degree black belt
only 21years old , the 2 degree he got it in corea against very good corean judokas . Thanks and i wil continue to follow your videos , i m a judoka but well aware about many other martial arts .
cherif: i recommend you shuai jiao, the father art of judo.
Enjoyed your presentation and explanation about martial art, a great eye opener for one who doesn’t understand the finer points of fighting.
If you watch how Bas Rutten lands liver kicks, it typically is with foot pointed and thats because he had boots. Any sort of foot protection opens up crazy damage potential
Not like I recommend anything but good shoes with some steel tips can be deadly while police won't treat you like they wuld if you use knife or some bat
I would like to see how good someone with years of savate and judo combined would be on the street against trained fighters
Such an interesting answer and anecdote. I will use the same from now on. Thanks!
Very glad to hear you say this. There's people who know how to fight and people who don't. Martial artists who know how to fight can demonstrate incredible practical skill where ever they are coming from. There's a bit of borg like group think these days that only MMA is and good then it comes to "really fighting" and all traditional styles are fake or lacking. Well done for articulating what those of us not simply bowing down and worshiping MMA have known all along. (Genuinely grateful!!)
Very wise words! Illuminating! :)
Also the fact of shoes in savate, the attack with the point of the shoe is precise and dangerous.
Hey Ramsey, I'm a new sub and I really enjoy your videos. Your down to earth, friendly, honest and informative style of presenting is refreshing. Very enjoyable and easy to listen to.
Here's the but... lol
I like how you talk about various martial arts and the differences between the them. Would it be too much to ask for you to include some demonstrations of Savate or Wing Chung (whatever) when doing these videos, just for us that have no idea what the difference is?
Well said and thank you.
Worth pointing out that Ueshiba did not teach anyone Aikido that did not already have a black belt in karate or jujitsu. It seems crazy that this fairly major point has been overlooked for so long. There have been some absolutely phenomenal judoka (Danny Da Costa comes to mind, who reached coral belt in it) that have gotten great value out of aikido much later.
Why do you think that is? Is it simply the nature of such an advanced martial system that competency in several "base" systems is a prerequisite?
@@MansMan42069 Disclaimer, I haven't studied aikido, and my experience with JJJ is pretty pathetic. But my thoughts are...
I wouldn't call aikido more advanced, but rather more subtle. Most of its techniques are low percentage, but against an untrained opponent can allow you to avoid a "fight" in the conventional sense entirely.
IMO you still need actual combative skills to make use of that, because without them you have no way to deal with an attacker that's actively resisting.
@@LewisHosie at the risk of grossly oversimplifying things, I suppose you need to know how to fight before you can learn how to end fights.
@@LewisHosie judo not karate or jujutsu
@mansman2167 as an aside, three years later, aikido is ninety percent redirection. Being able to understand force and its redistribution is a high level concept
Gene Labell has a self defense book with line drawings and cartoon rhymes printed in the 1970's I think (its like a cartoon book).
One of the scenarios involve defense with a high taekwondo/savate round kick to the chest.
"the pursuit of truth" I think that is an excellent mandate, because it not only provides direction to the practitioner, it is also a means to retain integrity and be honest
this is spot on. every martial art pretty much operates with similar principles .. controlling ranges, striking efficiently, controlling your breathing and balance etc etc therefore the vast majority of techniques will have some merit in actual fights... but it requires u to know how to fight. how to stay calm, how to time, how to balance, knowing ranges, knowing where to strike, reading the situation and environment and so on
5:07 "Martial arts is about one thing and one thing only and that is the pursuit of the truth. And the truth is: Does your technique work or does it not. And we find out really really quick as soon as we get into the ring."
I'am quote mining you. You should publish a book with those!
Savate has great potential.
Good movement and distance management.
Not overcommitting on techniques = good for mma.
Great analysis. I believe the most important is the fighter and not the style of any martial art.
Dude your voice is exquisite.....I swear if you did voice work for commercial ads , television or a Matrix cartoon series as Morpheus, you would absolutely rock!!!!!!!
Thanks man
the savate is a very good one to start with and then evolve on another martial style. It gives a very solid foundation. The savate + muay-Thai complement each other very well.
Never studied Savate directly, but I have studied Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do and ah... there's a ton of Savate in it. It was basically his main inspiration for his kicking forms.
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There is a big problem in Savate is that certain blows are prohibited, such as kicks with the shins. Which is good when you learn because it forces you to improve your movements, but in terms of efficiency it's harmful.
Love that last line bout finding out the truth
This was a brilliant answer!
I really like the intro story… If you know how to fight it all can be useful… Definitely have seen guys like Tony Ferguson use Wing Chun in fight… You need to know the basics of how to throw and defend against a punch, how to grapple or take someone down. You could be great with Ju Jitsu but if you don’t know how to force someone to the ground or how to defend against a punch, you may get knocked out before you ever get a chance to use it
I absolutely adore any form of Kickboxing, so I have a soft spot for Le Savate, in spite of the French reputation for weakness. In truth, France has seen many, many violent periods and incredibly destructive conflicts throughout its history. And if there’s one thing that history teaches us, it’s that violent times and areas are a breeding ground for fighting styles.
Le Savate was born when the French government outlawed the use of the human fist as a means to try and deter street fighting. Sailors and military men soon adapted with their feet and with open handed slaps, often using the ropes on their ships to sustain balance. The term Savate comes from the word meaning “Old Shoe”, from the boots men would wear at sea.
Today, it’s practiced all over and is comprised of three levels of official competition: Assaut, Pre-Combat and Combat.
Lastly, unlike other styles which use belts to denote rank, Savateurs use colored gloves with Blue being the lowest and Silver being the highest.
this "reputation for weakness" exists only in the usa, and it is just an other stereotype in uncultured people's mind.
isn't it the usa who are so weak that they needed an armor to play "american football" ? in europe, rugbymen don't use an armor. And french are good at rugby.
I heard that Savate had origins from Korea and Northern China but the footwork was from France. Correct me if I am wrong.
@@YamamotoKazuo Savate is not of Asian origin, it's a rumor. When we study the history of the savate, we realize that it existed before the French did not know the existence of the Asian martial arts
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people can't believe that a european martial art can have flyings kicks without asian origin, but it is the case.
It is then up to the individual and how much training, dedication, and athleticism to make their style of martial arts work.
i think a good philosophy is to incorporate what works for you.. the example you gave is spot on, considering the amount of trash people talk about aikido. similarly, if i am not mistaken, bruce lee incorporated a lot of savate in jeet kune do.. and fencing, so you can pretty much get inspiration anywhere. some martial arts even incorporate animal movements, so i would say savate is definitely something that can be effectively incorporated in mma =)
Ouch I've done that before too here's what my old instructor taught me. The instep is for sport taekwondo but it's also a good way to break your foot. The ball of the foot is the traditional method used for front kicks and turning kicks just have to make sure you pull your toes back properly and angle it in correctly.
I love that mindset! "If you know how to fight things can work" you have to have a base in MMA and to actually lay leather.
What a great guy, you got a sub
amazing video
It kinda make sense since aikido is just a pacified version of combat samurai arts you just need to de facify
Aikido is extremely passive, since the positive philosophy is to avoid hurting anybody, just neutralise them. It has a great philosophy, but practicality is quite different.
The thing about Ikido that people don't get is that it's a technique designed to use the attackers power against themselves so if you combine it with Judo or Kickboxing it works wonders in a fight, but i hear Savate is not only a defence technique it's a fighting style
My brother in law, who runs a martial art gym in Taiwan, had a theory about the more esoteric martial arts.
He said the idea that these spread because people were gullable is ridiculous. Square wheels don't exist, a combat style had to survive due to its effectiveness especially when death by ax was a very likely scenario.
His idea is that most chinese kung fu is useless because its like a kid who never learned basic math doing algebra. Stuff like Aikido, Wing Chun, tai chi, bagua are probably advance systems that you learned after you learned the fundementals of actual fighting.
He thinks there must have been an original style that you would learn before learning these other fist styles. Deeper into his elaboration he thinks it was a style similar to muay boran/bokator which most likely came from india and that was the system that Bhodidhama probably had taught the shaolin monks so many years ago.
I'm not sure, he's probably wrong but I thought it made a lot of sense.
the original style is greek pankration("pain creation"😂), which found its way to india during the greek conquest, and subsequently flowed(along with buddhism) to china, and then to japan.
Original style would have been a form of wrestling similar to Shuai Jiao in my opinion.
Yeah one the biggest problem Aikidokas would face is the fact many are ignorant about what realistic attacking or fighting actually looks like.
I have heard Savate described as fencing with your feet.
Steven Carrier it’s true I’ve lost savate light contact fights because the other guy would be taller and kinda “press the same button” - constantly pushing me away from him
About the sore foot syndrome for roundhouses... I've often trained by kicking one of those sand/water bag stands without the bag on it. The bag gives with the force of the kick, so it's not as bad as it seems. It works for feet and shins! :)
I'm from Greece too!
Savate was an originally street fighting techniques.
Hit the nail on the head here
The advantage of Savage in the street comes into p,at when you are using hard soles shoes. It was designed with that in mind- and if you kick someone with the hard toe of a shoe, or the hard sole, it’s much more effective than your fare foot. For me, who usually wears ankle boots, it’s a great system of kicking. Not sure it’s great if you customarily wear sneakers, though.
Savate is a pretty special martial art, in a way that we have different rules. The main difference is that you fight with shoes, due to the fact that savate was originaly created in street fight. Shoes allowe you to hit with the point of the (pretty damn efficient if I you want my opinion). Another difference with practically all other martial art is that you can hit the back of your opponent. Another thing is that the tireur (a french boxer) is really fast, if you watch a professionnal savate match you will see that the tireurs are not massive in term of muscle because they are too fast in combat
savate training at least the warmup done by instructors on youtube, was really helpful for fitness and recovery, I enjoyed it, and it can be combined with kickboxing.
Hey Ramsey if I follow my JKD creed and absorb what is useful to me should I be training for high kicks and getting my legs more flexible one of my guros is Mike Krause and he is a former tkd championship fighter he always tries to get us to push our limits of range of kick but should I go for it when my main art is Silat.
yep, I've always said that about aikido. look at its founder, he had a lot of fighting and martial arts experience, then boiled it down to something different that worked for him and his philosophy. modern practitioners may have the aikido training, but not the journey it took Ueshiba to get there. I think the same could be said about JKD.
It's not that in Savate you are allowed to kick with the foot. It's more that we use the shoes as striking weapon. They are hard shoes, so the delivery of connecting kick is quite painful.
It also change the kicking distance.
That being said, now, there is a new set of rules called savate pro which allows, to a certain extend, to kick with the shins too.
The sad part of modern Savate is that it lost a all its grappling and wrestling components, and the weapon part, with a stick or a staff, is taught separately too.
Savate was what MMA is today. It's like a MMA with hard shoes. How could would it be to add this component to MMA? Pretty cool, I think.
I was taught a neat little known, technique by Salem Assli but I'm not sure if it was a savate move or from another style we worked on because it was a JKD academy. Has anyone ever seen the knife shield move where you quickly sna snap your leg back and get your shoe on your hand in one quick motion that way you have a shield on your hand so the knife can't cut it and possibly could get stuck in it. If not from savate does anybody know where this came from? Thank you very much. I love this page
They should have that ad for those super comfy steel toe sneakers on every savate video. Think about it
He talks about the kicks but hardly any mention of training methods and footwork. If you already do Muay Thai for MMA, training Savate will insanely improve striking. Elusiveness, timing and range are a big part of Savate training which Muay Thai generally lacks (when training in the western world). Find a Savate club, go train there and see the difference in your sparring after using their training drills for a few months.
What brings out the elusiveness, timing and range?
@@thememaster7 Couple of things but one is that in savate rules kicks are worth the most points and you cannot throw too many punches in a row without kicking which forces you to alternate between very precise timed combos and constant bouncing/feints. Fighters like Cyril gane, Wonderboy Thompson Adesanya even Jon jones do that very well, they basically never throw a naked strike without moving in and out of range at the same time and use their kicks like range finding jabs, they are all the way in or all the way out and rarely caught in between. Savate really is an evolution of classic French rapier/straight sword fencing, it really is very similar, you simply uses your feets like the pointy end of a sword.
@@redwithblackstripes So they must have done a few months then!
In Savate you have shoes. Instep low kicks are used (fouette bas). Especially with the front foot and due to the mechanical properties of Savate kicks in general they can also be kicked so fast that it would be much more difficult to check them.
Those savate fighters got some nasty kicks it's not like a Muay Thai kick but they roundhouse kick with the ball of the foot
I like the look of Savate, albeit I'm 50 and don't think I can perform some of the higher roundhouse kicks these days. Savate trains to kick with boots/shoes on so some of the kicks like Fouetté I think are to put the toe of the shoe into the ribs. It might be why they can use the instep to kick areas that some other arts would use the shin. I used the instep instead of a shin kick once on a kick pad and I couldn't walk properly for a week!
Savate I believe become way deadlier if you add a steel cap shoes into the mix. I have a steel cap shoes (a tough but fairly light shoes) I use it to practice a few savate moves against a metal pole. Yes that shoes will crack a human skull even at 50% power. The pole is starting to develop huge dents and is bending.
As far as using Savate kicks in the streat I would say footwear would make a difference.Kicking with a nice sturdy boot would keep you from breaking your foot but take someone who is wearing sneakers tennis shoes or a pair of slides and you might mess up your foot.I actually stubbed my toe on a portion messed up sidewalk and I learn that if you stub your toe while wearing slides you might as well be wearing no shoes at all.
Its in the way that you use it that counts.
I like this video. one thing that I don't understand in variety of martial arts is why do they limit them so much. especially if you take three fighting styles that all involve similar attack. (I know that they are still different but they have certain similarity as well) I see no reason why one shouldn't combine several styles and simply take what is best from each. I know in MMA this is what its all about however honestly I would like to see something that allows all the things allowed in MMA but the fighters also wear shoes like they do in savate.
also I can understand why they don't count points in savate if someone lands with their shin on the opponent rather than with a shoe. but I cannot understand why they deduce the points. on the other hand while it is important to learn how to fight bare foot first so that you don't have to rely on shoes if you don't have them. there should be a type of fighting that allows variety of martial arts yet allows for fighters to have shoes as well. considering that the whole idea of Mixed Martial arts is to use variety of martial arts.
how effective savate is depends in large on a footwear you have if you fight bare foot some of the things in it would be helpful but others would be bad idea. if you are wearing steel toe shoes it would probably be one of the best if not the best martial arts to use. if you simply have sturdy shoes it would be quite useful in my opinion especially because savate fighters are very good at judging distance but honestly I would like there to be a system which combines all of different kicking styles and takes best from variety of punching as well. and the truth is that all of the stand up systems have things that work really well and things that would not work at all if opponent would add another dimension to a fight (I don't mean just in martial arts as a whole but specifically in a stand up game) and taking the best of each would make the best fighter overall.
Remember folks.....savate was done with a hard leather shoe, or a military boot......so inside step kicks, or even better checking a kick with the arch of the foot, takes on a whole other level .
Do you think kicking with the ball of the foot when doing roundhouse kicks is a realistic means of striking??? I visited a taekwondo school that practices a style more reminiscent of karate (and according to them, it's not tang so do) and I noticed that they taught their students to perform the strike that way. Just curious on what you think
There is also a pro savate discipline where you can use shin to kick and block. Plus reinforced shoes. But to compete in savate pro, you need to win any medal in major amateur championship
I think savate (which means shoes in french) was developped as a self defence system. In the street, you have few protection but your feet are heavily protected so use your boots (XIXth century leather shoes) like a weapon.
Christopher in kenichi ova anime uses savate and his comrades uses blades in their shoes with the savate martial arts
It’s a deadly martial arts for sure and anyone that can defend against it is legendary good
I practice traditional Savate, which requires two toned button boots and a cravat to be effective. It doesn't work in the streets, but is devastating on a docked wooden sailing vessel.
I do kyokushin. I've noticed savate stuff online and looks interesting in terms of jump kicks for distance. So I've been wondering if there technique works, in terms of their jump kicks and stepping. I wonder if their jump and stepping kicks could be good for distance attacks.
That and also just to be mobile and blast kicks on people is very powerful
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My dad don't practice any martial art I know of..but with his height of 6'7 and the strength he has in his legs..he's got a mean piston kick that you don't wanna get hit by. I've seen him use that kick on a heavy bag and send it pretty far on a decently heavy bag that me and my little brother couldn't match doing that same kick even if we pulled it off at the exact same time and hit it together with all our strength.
Savateur Francois Pennachio beat Ramon Dekkers in Kickboxing
interesting , very interesting.
I usually kick with the ball of the foot, never had a problem landing it, but i wonder if it may cause an injury some day :/
I would like to know your opinion about capoeira (PS:
I'm from Brazil)
I use Savate everytime in my during sparring session. Sparring partners can't never get pass my oblique kick the shins and knees.
Some systems are secondary systems. Nothing wrong with that.
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I trained Savate and fought matches in Belgium, France and Holland i'm dutch b.t.w., you're right, if you don't have the balls to fight full contact nothing wil help you against someone who has! But some of the best Dutch Fighters Like Ernesto Hoost (4 times k1 winner and many titles in several disciplines, Lucia Rijker multiple world titles in several disciplines( stars in million dollar baby) Ivan Hypolite several world titles in several disciplines, and a few more have all trained in Savate before they went for muay thai, their trainer Johan Vos made them, because of the timing, distance, and technique you can see it in their style of fighting ( Ernesto isn't called Mister perfect for nothing) there was more money in thai boxing because the dutch (ignorant) public liked it more because of the k.o.'s, and the(in their opinion) ballet looking integrale Savate suits, little did they know about the technique and precision of Savate and of course the hard shoe's (you don't here the impact, but you certainly feel it) eventualy they also got bored by the cliching in muay thai which can look like hugging you're opponent and softly stroking him with your knee (little do they know indeed) and elbows to the face where seen like barbaric by the dutch upper class, that's why in holland they developed a style of kickboxing without the elbows and without clinching just to comply to the public's demand. that's how Savate went down the drain in Holland, because of ignorant public. The money was bigger in thai/ kickboxing, but the fighters that were trained in Savate and after that went for kick/ thai boxing were superior in technique, and yes Gerard Gordeau lost to Royce Gracie in the final of the first UFC challenge..but in his defence he fought with a broken hand and had a tooth removed out of his foot from Teila Tuli, UFC was much more dangerous in those times because there were not a lot of rules. Savate is great! even one of my favorite fighters "Diamond Ramon Dekkers" lost to Francois Pennacchio in a fight ( can be found on youtube) were he just couldn't make the right contact( no combo's just single kicks) with him because he danced around the ring so much. Holland has had a lot of great fighters (legends) for such a small country, and most of my favorites have trained Savate! Not just throwing and hoping you connect before you're opponent does, but tactical fighting, with more speed, distance control and superior technique! Salut! to add..a savate fighter can easily adjust and fight in multiple ring disciplines, a thai fighter can not because they kick with the shin and only have a few kicks to choose from they get disqualified a lot! And just cannot get into the right distance form they're opponent to really make their combo's when they fight a savate fighter on savate rules. I've seen it many times, ofcourse there is a flipside to this, when a savate fighter is kicked a few times with the shin on the thigh it will have a devastating effect on them to,( on who it wouldn't?;-))the choice of kicks in Savate is much larger and they train them all, while most thai/ kickboxing fighters only use round house (low, mid, high) and front push kicks
Here's a link to a European title win in Savate by a young Ernesto Hoost. don't get me wrong, not saying one is better than the other! i respect all martial arts and you can learn from all of them! best way is a good standing discipline with a good grappling one...but in all cases, the situation decides..;-)
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Savate has more movement than Muay Thai and more precise.
Martial Lashley imagine a savat background with muay Thai techs
I practice both. I used to fight amateur muay thai and practice savate also referree and judge.
Thai boxing is awesome but savate is smarter and more refined.
Yes toe kicks don't work when you are bare foot. Savate is a shoe fighting style hence the name.
In the streets people wear shoes. Bar, dance club or work most people wear hard shoes either work boots or hard dress shoes. Well my friends savate technics are designed for that.
So yeah in real life savate is better in my opinion.
dangelo johnson wjat you are talking about is dutch kickboxing
Anderson Silva actually trained some Savate. He was experimenting with the different angles.
Less overall power, more precise aim.