Everything MonoTub - Shaking Your Grain Spawn Jars During Colonization of Mycelium on Rye Substrate
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First off, sorry its been so long since I've posted a new video. The last two weeks have been a little busy, and I'm also learning how to use my new video editing software, so that's really slowed things down.
Today's topic might seem simple, but shaking your grain spawn jars is actually something that can really benefit the overall project quite a bit. If we shake at the right point, it will result in faster colonization, which also means that unwanted spores and bacteria wont have as easy of a time finding their way into our spawn and creating a problem.
This is another video in our series about monotub cultivation of mushrooms, one of the easiest and most accessible methods for growing mushrooms at home. If you haven't already, I really recommend you go back and check out the earlier videos in this series, we've covered some pretty good info already.
Don't rush the videos, keep the quality!
These have been clear and straight forward.
Love the hand drawn illustrations as well!
Cheerio
Thank you Josh! Yeah, I had pretty unrealistic goals for a video every three days, but I'm finding that if I'm not rushing it, I can produce better content. Thanks for watching!
Wow , I can see how much work and time goes into drawing your diagrams alone. Visual learning is the best way for me to grasp concepts of every kind and I appreciate what you do. As a result I remain fascinated and interested in mycology science. Very cool.
The drawings are the best part! I really enjoy doing them, and am always trying to think of new ways to do more. If you have any ideas let me know!
@@OneEarthMushrooms You can tell...love them. Your Monot tub air exchange vid was one of the 1st videos I stumbled onto regarding growing and i still remember it clear as day. It might have been what got me into this hobby in the 1st place. I did RSA style animations for years back in the day and the thing that makes yours different is the personal nature of your drawing combined with your experience. Much appreciation.
@@OneEarthMushrooms As I watched your colouring in, I was flooded with so many ADD thoughts, like, OMG- he didnt cut and paste jar one -those are all hand drawn, whats it like to be him I wonder? will he color over the line anywhere? You made me realise again how diverse the world of mycology is. Ive watched 200 hours of practical mycology in the last month while I build and start my small 10kg a week operation that has the space to do 100kg per week. Im rebuilding my life after a brain injury. Paul Stanerts gave me hope. Now im making mushrooms my business.
Love your videos man! One of the best out there at the moment... your style is a great balance of visual / informative.
Awww thanks man! What a great complement! Thank you for watching, I'm really glad you enjoy the videos :)
Hey! Thank you so much for your videos! I save them after I watch because I rewatch quite a bit. You've been a great teacher. Namaste :)
This is a great way to present the information. I like the visual approach, and very good quality. Thanks much man! 🍄👍
Hey, thanks for watching! I'm really happy you liked it!
I massaged my spawn bag every second day. It colonised so much faster. I also used much less lc.
Great! Glad this is working for you!
Impressive illustration. Thank you for taking the time to share this!
You're welcome, and thank you for taking the time to watch!
Great video again! A video every three days sounds like A LOT of work. Keep focusing on your amazing quality more than quantity 👌👌
Yeah, it is a lot of work. The more I focus on pumping videos out, the more it feels like work and I start losing the enjoyment of the whole process. I'm really enjoying doing this at a slower pace, having better quality. I don't want to put a video out if it isn't going to be helpful.
Thanks for watching!
Monotub (drilling holes etc.) isn't necessary, at all. Just flip the lid upside down, mist and fan once a day.
Yeah lotss of work
Excellent video. Really liked your insight and honesty on this video. Will definitely check out more. Thanks!
this is a lovely simulation, great videos dude! thanks!! keep it up
Great illustration! 👍
Thank you. Very nice drawings!
Yoy really put alot of effort into your videos, Im subbing just for that. Thanks.
Beautiful demonstration
Thank you!
Great vid dude, gave me much insight into spawn jars :)
Awesome, glad you found it helpful!
Very very helpful for me to understand
Great video awesome work brother
I always shake right after inoculation, again at 25% and one more time at 100%, not only does shaking it up speed up colonization but it also helps to expose any contamination that is hiding in there.
wow! You got a haircut in the middle of a sentence. Also great stuff!!! Im a beginner and watching a lot of videos, and some just are more to the point than others. Thank you!
Nice and informative video. Keep it up brother.
Thank you! I appreciate you for watching!
Thank you for all your videos :)
You're so welcome! Thank you for watching!
Thank you!
Update! update! update! every fail every win it helps all of us and we thank you 4 the time🍻
Thank you 🙏
No problem, thanks for watching!!
good call on throwing out the whole jar. im allergic to penicillin which makes growing mushrooms kinda sketchy but nothing a little caution can't fix..you never know what you guys might be allergic to. penicillin would kill me, meanwhile others would say its safe to open and clean.
Thanks for the videos. I put some of my spawn in a pestle and ground them up, does this affect my colonization process?
Great video! Very informative
Impressive that you can draw with both hands at the same time hahaha but really tho, good idea to use your left hand ✌🏼️👍🏼🍄
I wish I were that coordinated! Lol I used the "mirror" function on my editing software.
@@OneEarthMushrooms you're an alien, right ? LOL
@OneEarth Mushrooms so shaking the jars works to help the spawn move around? How about larger jar lid holes for more air? A layer of verm on the bottom of the jar? 100% of my jars the bottom half is untouched...
Excellent video 👏! What beginner strains would you recommend. I would love to learn how not to starve during this time when the store shelves are bare. Thanks.
One of the oyster varieties (pink, blue, king). They're voracious, do really well in a variety of conditions, and are delicious.
Thanks man! You should collaborate with home mycology or some other! you deserve more views!
Thank you! I'd love to collaborate with other amateur mycologists!
Check out my new book- how to shake jar
Then what after your grain bag is colonized do you mix in your substrate then where do you put that to colonize the substrate and the grain together? Do you also put that in a dark area till it fully colonizes then fruit it
Are there anything released into the air when shaking that i need to be careful of breaathing since i have a filter on the lid? Especially oyster mushrooms?
Hey man - amazing videos! Thank you so much for all the information 🙌🏾🙏🏽 I had a question - can violently shaking your jars with micropore tape, having the rice a bit more moist than needed, and turning the jars upside down when shaking - can that affect the airflow through the tape? I shakes my jars and it’s been a week and a half and no growth - it was growing fine before that! It’s the only thing I can find that could’ve affected but have not found info on this... thanks again!!
Sometimes they just stall out. It happens to me regularly. It sucks
The moment I finish inoculation I start shaking that jar like hell! About a week or so later, my ENTIRE jar begins to get whiteish with colonization! The more vigorous and constant shake after inoculation the more uniform is the colonization.
Nice this comment was a month ago, more likely for you to reply.
Is this a tried and tested method? I have a bag with inoculation right now, I'm guessing it's too late to shake it? It's been like 6-7 days.
Mush love
I've heard that you should never do that until it's a few days after...but, what you said sounds interesting.
@@ButtSauce666 YES! Moments after I did the inoculations, I started shaking/mixing my 32 Oz. jars, by keep turning them (5 jars) up/side down and side to side, for at least 1-2 minutes per jar. The eventual growth and expansion in the jars were fantastically even. 🙌👌
@@ButtSauce666 In another inoculation, instead of jars, I had my plastic bag well grown more 10 days but very unevenly. I did shake the hell out of the bag while making sure the grown particles move into not-grown spaces. Again, after few days the growth was visible all over the bag.
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Is there ever a need to add hydration after shaking?
Have you ever run into an instance where the bottom is colonizing, but the grains up too seem to be dusty and slowly discoloring? I went to shake and the sides of the jar became dusty and cloudy? Is this sign of contamination? Trichoderma?
So is it safe to say there is no point of shaking once it's past 30-40%? Thanks for the video
Can you do a video/test on substrate/grain layering vs fully mixing. It seems the results of layering is faster even if its against the logic used for grain jars.
Yeah, that's true. I haven't considered why that is. I have a bunch of portobello spawn that's almost ready, I'll do that experiment.
Shook a jar of lung oyster myc on popcorn a couple days ago and no growth has returned. No visible contamination either. Could it just be too dry? It looks fairly dry. That jar's unshaken and equally prepared brothers are growing, but very slowly. About half an inch in a week. It's a clone from the wild (cleaned with agar work), though, so that might be why it's so slow.
I only shake after putting my lc in and I have even growth. I get the concept for agar but why is your growth concentrated with lc?
What if I used corn for my grain spawn, and used a spore syringe to inoculate?
What's the best temp to colonize grain for Cubensis?
your work is appreciated!
I could watch you shake it twice all day long
Awww thanks Mary J! lol
2 days after I innaculated my jars with spore syringe the temp got over 80 degrees. Do you think it will still colonize?
Yep. Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/YtPyjGwNAe0/w-d-xo.html
The culture will survive above 80f, it just won't grow well above about 84f.
I've heard that you can let the green jars fully colonize then dunk them in a bleach mixture (100:1) afterwards. The bleach kills the green mold, and, you can still use it successfully. It sounds very interesting imo. I get a green jar every so often, even when I'm super careful being clean. This "tek" would save a lot of time and money.
Don't risk contamination of your entire area. You can attempt to spawn those sick ones outside .. but don't open in your house!
Does this work for BRF as well?
You said e. Coli and what was the other bacteria health hazard? Trick?
Hi can you help? I inoculated a grain spawn bag, but mixed the bag straight after inoculating it 🙈 I knew as soon as I did it that shouldn't of done. It's been over 2 weeks now and nothing is happening, apart from a bit of condensation that is. Is anything lickly to happen or shall I give up on this batch? Thanks.
Hey Natasha, sorry I took so long to get back to you. Did you end up tossing this batch?
Is it okay to shake a spawn bag 3 to 4 times or more if its taking 3 months and the top of bag wont colonize? Is it possible to stress the mycelium to a point where it doesnt want to grow anymore?
Should be fine! Mycelium are pretty resilient.
During the colonization in the jars, do i ever need to burp them and give them a little air? Or no
you dont open them untill they are done
Tyler, I'm with Sceplecture on this one. Leave those lids on.
Use smaller jars too but just make more
What happens if mushrooms form before it fully forms what do I do
Can you rephrase the question please? Not sure I follow what you're asking...
Is there a certain temperature my substrate needs to sit at? Humidity?
70/80
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Cool, thx! You really like close-up…
True!
does this apply to cubences?
I cant see why it wouldnt...
I put contambro colonised jars where they belong: the pressure cooker. 15 psi for 1,5 h is what trichoderma and its disgusting brethern deserve. Then I reuse the jars after cleaning with strong bleach solution. Works every time.
Brutal, brother! "Stranger the Contamination Slayer!"
Is it possible to shake too much, or too often?
LOL, just got to the answer to my question.
Can trichoderma harm humans?
I'm a total noob but maybe if you open the contaminated grain jar under water/bleach mix?
I think that might kill the mycelium too...
@@OneEarthMushrooms lol but you wouldn't contaminate anything else. That's all I was thinking
Got some unmidified monotuv?
You look like the guy who liked Lydia in breaking bad m
Oh man, I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I just looked up Lydia...she's pretty cute!
Instead of shaking and damaging you're mycelium and you could just wait until it's fully colonized
I agree, that would work too. However, the shake method helps the spawn colonize more quickly. This helps reduce the likelihood of unwanted fungi colonizing (contamination). But I've certainly allowed many of my jars to fully colonize without shaking and it works just fine.
@@OneEarthMushrooms through my experience shaking tends to hurt more than help but to me that depends on variety and strength of variety
I would not throw out my jars. Some of the fancier lids with vent and inoculation ports built in can be expensive. I would possible throw out some if I made my own lids or some jars if I were recycling pickle or jam jars or such but not my Ball jars. That's just me.
Yeah, I've actually been saving some jars lately. Had one with a little bit of color in it, so I just dumped the grain into the compost pile and washed the jar out. I'm probably too conservative sometimes though, paranoid about contamination! lol
@@OneEarthMushrooms Yeah be paranoid but just pressure cook them before dumping, even 30 minutes would do.
Don't need to kill every single spore there will be spores all around where you're going to dump it. Just dump it away from your clean area with your back to the breeze.
Your hair changed
Should have done a time lapse
I will! Added to my list of potential videos.
What if I beat it on my bed? Can my wife help me beat it?
Most views of a video over time will be off in the future from when you make it (like me watching it for the first time 7 mos later.) Apologizing for it coming out later than you wanted just isn't important or necessary. Having said that, this is good.
Most comments of a video over time will be off in the future from when you make it (like me reading it for the first time 7 mos later.) Apologizing for it being written later than you wanted just isn't important or necessary. Having said that, this is bad.
Another great way to break up the grains is with a tennis ball
did he get a haircut part way thru this video??? lol
Lol you saw that hair hanging down into the camera? Oops!
"Just grab a bike"
My experience is shake at 50% for healthy veils. N spore production. I have yet to test myself.
jsut stick with adobe premiere pro. oh ... realizing this video is a year old.. but still.
I'm so used to FCP-X now! I played with Premier Pro for about a month (used the free trial) but it was like learning a whole new language. I'm slowly getting better with FCP-X.
@@OneEarthMushrooms well there you go! stick with what works for you! glad you found something that works for you.
I bet you have shaken it twice more than one time.
If thats a masturbation joke...you're funny. And I have no further comment on this matter!
That grain jar looks contaminated and dry as hell
Your depiction of growth is a 2-dimentional representation of a 3-dimentional area. Time-lapse presentation would have been a better illustration for the viewers.
Thank you for your feedback! I'm still trying to figure out how to effectively do time lapse...I think I'm going to give animation a shot too.
Please stop reading your script. And have some character into it.
Thanks, Shane! Just doing my best over here; I appreciate your feedback.