Really enjoyed this battle report! Great chat and fun, nicely painted units and good table and we clipped together to make it move along quick. Make more!!
you don't take a panic test when engaged in hand to hand combat. So the stormvermin didn't have to panic due to the damage done by the fanatics. Page 160 of the rulebook.
Ouch! What a game! Really thought it was going to go one way and by the swing of a chain (or 6) it went very much the other! Love seeing gobbos vs. Skaven, you just know chaos will ensue! Also, I have to comment on your idea of a slightly more sensible side of your deployment containing as it did giant spitting squigs! 😂😂
The cymbal goblin was neat, but my favorites were the squid herder with the snotling tied on a spear and the goblin bagpiper standing on one leg (because some sculptor was most likely a Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull fan).
This is actually quite a sad question. I got i from and amazing youtuber called robpaints he did an amazing job on the squigs as park of an underworld gang video. Unfortunate this creator has sadly passed away since then. His videos are still up so do check it out.
Do you move all the fanatics before resolving their attacks? Or should it be one at a time? If it’s one at a time after a few went through it would get hard to make your angles work.
Great game. Tim taught me how to use my skaven, so it's nice to see him use them again. I still remember the day you got those squigs from forgeworld, like a kid in a candy shop 😂
Haven’t watched the full video yet at (12:07), but the Doomwheel should have fired twice. "At the end of every Shooting Phase, after all shooting has been resolved, place up to three small (3") blast templates so that their central hole is within 6" of this model." It makes Doomwheels absolutely terrifying things to deal with. Edit... yeah, he remembered! Ignore me. 😂 The Nightgoblin force, looks gorgeous by the way.
I love it when fanatics work well but I also love it when they go spectacularly wrong 😂. Loving the old world battle reports, is it even a proper battle if you don't make your own sound effects 😁
Another question: Fanatics there used to be a rule where if you charged a unit with Fanatics in it you had the option of holding - was it 7" away? - and the Fanatics would be released and if you carried on the charged you got automatically dinged. I liked the way you held them for the level of destruction they caused but now you have inflicted that mental scar I'm curious to the options you and your opponent have. Stopping a charge with them could be a big thing as well.
@@timraymond8245 That definitely was a thing where you could bait them out with skirmishers etc. It's been a long time since I've played Fantasy - Oldhammer - funnily enough I have both armies in this video. I also have Skarsnik and Queek but I don't know if they've made it into the timeline yet.
34:35 that's why there's a bandage!!! I have two of these old metal guys. So much character. I am keen to get all the latest gloomspire models too and go crazy squig heavy :)
Very fun battle report, congratulations on the win Andy, as a blood bowl player it’s always fun to see rats getting walloped wherever their beady little faces appear 🤣
the doomwheel has 2 stomp attacks, so it might have just destroyed the unit completely with those. I'm pretty sure it always flees and pursues it's random movement, which is 3d6. But I could be wrong.
Although you Rally in the Strategy Phase, the fleeing unit doesn't move until Compulsory (after Charges) so a fleeing unit will absolutely block a Charge if it is in front.
skaven need maximum rank bonus for as long as possible. True some other armies now also have warband, but it was always a Skaven rule. Always try to have and keep maximum rank bonus for as long as possible when playing Skaven.
Just ordered a bunch of Night Gobbos over the weekend to start my army again that I lost a few years ago. Now as I rewatch this, Manglers go on rounds in TOW for sure? I ordered two.
Thanks for the high quality battle report, I really enjoyed most of it. But there was something that caught my attention a few too many times to be comfortable watching without commenting. Oh man, I want to be nice, I really do. But this has to be mentioned. You sir (goblin player) have the patience of a saint. It's so annoying playing against someone who tries to measure wrong intentionally, ignoring the scatter direction and angle the measurement to a more favourable position all while being vague and unclear then just giggle when he get's caught brushing it off. I would not play against someone like that myself. We are all different, and to each their own, but I and that Skaven player would not get along for more than a few minutes at best. I try to not be mean and hard on the guy, because he clearly had a good time and was cheerful and happy throughout. I just can't handle these subtle cheating, and sometimes blatently cheating. "It doesn't scatter"... It's your sesponsibility to know your own units and it's also your responsibility to follow the rules of the game.
While RAW a Skaven character could attack and then "Retire" to the back I don't think it's the intent. When they do that it says that they can't make Attacks. It really should be "at the beginning of any Phase"
Fanatics being pushed out while in combat seems like something that needs an faq. Same with hits from them while in combat. They shouldn't be able to throw them out while in combat and the hits they do to a unit in combat should be randomized. There's really no reason to take anything other than blocks of night goblins with three fanatics. Seems way overpowered.
Well you can’t release them in the combat phase. It’s at the start of the turn. So if you want till combat you have to survive a round of combat. If you lose and get run down you lose all the fanatics so it’s a gamble. In this game it payed off. There strong but very expensive for a unit of goblins.
It has been commented under some of your other videos but it bears repeating: You zoom in way too much. It's the equivalent of holding the viewer's head 10" away from the dice rolls. It's unnecessary and confusing. Would greatly appreciate it if you just filmed without zooming in and maybe without moving and shaking the camera around so much. Other than that great video and very enjoyable battle report!
I get new edition excitement, but the Skaven player was far too hyper and presumptive (read: incorrect) with lots of the rules; it made for quite exhausting viewing. You were correct to repeatedly call out the mistakes/assumptions as they had the potential to be very impactful. We're all learning the nuances of the game, naturally, and that's probably best achieved by being a little calmer.
Shootinf at Skirmishers units that consist entirely of models with unit strength 1 suffer a -1 to hit modifier. Page 185 "Enemy Fire." So not the Squig hopper mobs, they are light cavalry, but the squiq herds are all unit strength 1.
That's 1500 points of Goblins? XD Just as gross as I remember HA The fact that Skaven are a legacy Army and not "officially" in the game blows my mind. A faction that for the most part is essentially GWs creation and they don't include them.... for shame
During the time line of the Old World the Skaven Clans are engaged in civil war. The Great Horned Rat has not arrived yet to unit the clans and bring the Skaven to the surface.
Your first stormvermin combat was done wrong. The nightgoblins had 3 casualties in the front rank. That means 3 less attacks from the front rank and the 3 guys behind couldn't fight because they had to step up, meaning you used 6 more attacks than you should have.
That’s not how it works. Your half rite. The front rank guys do indeed die and can’t fight but the second rank guys can indeed fight. Step up is later.
Man this was the most natural Skaven Player I came across so far on Utube. ! Great Fun, guys.
HHaha cheers.
:::hides:: That's gonna be a thing, isn't it? ::laughter::
That fanatics bomb was mental, really need to add some into my night goblins army.
They were a nightmare to fight
Cheers.
Yes you do. For sure.
I love that the legacy army is in square bases and the mainstream army in round bases 😂😂😂😂
Hahhaha yep
Really enjoyed this battle report! Great chat and fun, nicely painted units and good table and we clipped together to make it move along quick. Make more!!
Yea sir.
Great game. Those Gloomspite Gitz models make collecting a Night Goblin army hard to resist. Pity more aren't available.
Dam straight. It’s a great army.
Great to see night gobbos in action! Any chance of seeing some painting tutorial on them? 😬
Yes 100%
you don't take a panic test when engaged in hand to hand combat. So the stormvermin didn't have to panic due to the damage done by the fanatics. Page 160 of the rulebook.
Knew there was something to keep them there…. Right next time I will need you to with me 😂
Yep I knew there was somthing.
Thanks again for a brilliant battle report, 2024 is going to be so much 'Old World', fun.
Oh yes it will.
Great video, loved the night goblins.
I really enjoyed your death korps painting video you did. Id love it if you did a night goblins one!
I 100% will be doing tones of night goblin videos
Ouch! What a game! Really thought it was going to go one way and by the swing of a chain (or 6) it went very much the other! Love seeing gobbos vs. Skaven, you just know chaos will ensue! Also, I have to comment on your idea of a slightly more sensible side of your deployment containing as it did giant spitting squigs! 😂😂
Yup. It for sure went my way.
The cymbal goblin was neat, but my favorites were the squid herder with the snotling tied on a spear and the goblin bagpiper standing on one leg (because some sculptor was most likely a Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull fan).
Hahhaah great sculpts one and all.
Yes! Keep the old world content coming
We will as long as you guys want it
Yes sir.
Superb game- really enjoyed it, thanks!
Glad to hear.
Skaven and a high quality battle report, name a more iconic duo.
HahahHa
Can I ask, what is your colour scheme for your squigs, they look really good.
This is actually quite a sad question. I got i from and amazing youtuber called robpaints he did an amazing job on the squigs as park of an underworld gang video. Unfortunate this creator has sadly passed away since then. His videos are still up so do check it out.
haha all those funny noises, glad to see other people do this when they play
Of course lol
don't forget for the fellblade, you have to test every strategy phase. If you roll a 1, you take a wound.
Yep we forgot.
Question: Does the Fell blade still ding the character carrying it, and if so when do you test for it?
indeed it does, every turn on a 1 iirc.
There's a free download PDF if you Google "old world legacy"
You roll each turn to see if you hurt yourself. Forgot to roll that in cam
@@timraymond8245 No worries, thanks for the reply. Just checking. 🙂
Yea if you roll a 1 at the start of each turn. But we forgot.
Think that first fall back by the skaven used both dice for total instead of one and went through the unit causing a panic?
Oh perhaps.
Would love to see some Lizardmen fighting their old enemies Chaos :D
That would be an epic game.
23 dead rats! That is what you call pest control! 😮
HahahHa yeeessssss
Do you move all the fanatics before resolving their attacks? Or should it be one at a time? If it’s one at a time after a few went through it would get hard to make your angles work.
One at a time and no the angels would work fine.
"on paper I can't see anyting like that" says man who clearly didn't read the skaven list.
Hhwhwhwhhwhwhw
You call about a Skaven player being in touch with his army 😮😂😂😂
Hahhaha
Great game. Tim taught me how to use my skaven, so it's nice to see him use them again.
I still remember the day you got those squigs from forgeworld, like a kid in a candy shop 😂
😮😮😮… who is this …????
HahahHa your dam rite.
Hilarious game. FANATICS!
There always great.
Haven’t watched the full video yet at (12:07), but the Doomwheel should have fired twice.
"At the end of every Shooting Phase, after all shooting has been resolved, place up to three small (3") blast templates so that their central hole is within 6" of this model."
It makes Doomwheels absolutely terrifying things to deal with.
Edit... yeah, he remembered! Ignore me. 😂
The Nightgoblin force, looks gorgeous by the way.
I love it when fanatics work well but I also love it when they go spectacularly wrong 😂. Loving the old world battle reports, is it even a proper battle if you don't make your own sound effects 😁
We shall for sure do more don’t worry about that.
Can the Fanatics be released from a unit engaged in Close Combat? Thought they had to be unengaged to release.
Nope they are released at the start of any start of turn sub phase. And there is no restrictions other than that.
question here! where did you get that goblin yellow moon piece of scenery from? amazing
It’s an age of sigmar scenery piece.
Another question: Fanatics there used to be a rule where if you charged a unit with Fanatics in it you had the option of holding - was it 7" away? - and the Fanatics would be released and if you carried on the charged you got automatically dinged. I liked the way you held them for the level of destruction they caused but now you have inflicted that mental scar I'm curious to the options you and your opponent have. Stopping a charge with them could be a big thing as well.
I thought that too, but he get to hold them off until you want to release them. That’s why the giant rats run forward in the first turn.
@@timraymond8245 That definitely was a thing where you could bait them out with skirmishers etc. It's been a long time since I've played Fantasy - Oldhammer - funnily enough I have both armies in this video. I also have Skarsnik and Queek but I don't know if they've made it into the timeline yet.
@@timraymond8245 Also Plague Censer Bearers were very similar. I once opted to charge my Wulf Riders through some of those. That wasn't pretty. 😢
The rules are different now
Ye the rules for fanatics are all different now. Just look them up and have a quick read.
34:35 that's why there's a bandage!!! I have two of these old metal guys. So much character. I am keen to get all the latest gloomspire models too and go crazy squig heavy :)
Oh yes for sure. It’s. Just a amaizng range.
Great batrep! Just a quick one, why does the ratling gun re roll 1s? Cheers guys :)
No idea lol.
@@MediocreHobbies no worries, looking forward to watching more
I got a spell off to reroll ones
Thanks for the vid! Ratling Guns are quick to fire, don’t take -1 hit on move.
I will remember next time
Good to know.
Very fun battle report, congratulations on the win Andy, as a blood bowl player it’s always fun to see rats getting walloped wherever their beady little faces appear 🤣
Hey!!! 😂
HahahHa dam straight.
Such a fun battle report, im really tempted to get into the old word with a night goblin army
There a great army to use.
something to note with the Zaapp attacks from the doom wheel is that they always scatter even if you roll the hit on the scatter dice
Good to know
What a fun match up! I wonder if your upcoming tournament will be recorded for batrep as well?
Nope we did not record as not everyone would want to be on cam. But it was great fun.
I wish but no. Thanks pal.
the doomwheel has 2 stomp attacks, so it might have just destroyed the unit completely with those. I'm pretty sure it always flees and pursues it's random movement, which is 3d6. But I could be wrong.
Oh good to know.
hail to the skaven! Great game
All power to the Great Horner Rat
Cheers pal.
Aren't you able to field only 1 Doomdiver per 1000 Points? Great batrep, btw.. 😊
Yuuup oops.
Fanatics are insane in this edition. My god, poor vermin xD
Hahhahaha yep
Cracking game all! Gobbos for the win! They are such a fun faction. Some cracking looking squigs in that army
Cheers pal.
Great game! I just wish the camera wasn't so close to the table all the time, especially during the dice rolls.
Good to know, will change that for future!
However, during the Command sub-phase of their turn, the wielder of the Fellblade must roll a D6. On a roll of 1, they lose a single Wound.
Yep for sure. We forgot.
Although you Rally in the Strategy Phase, the fleeing unit doesn't move until Compulsory (after Charges) so a fleeing unit will absolutely block a Charge if it is in front.
It does indeed.
Love the army list! Great game!
Thanks pal it was so much fun.
Why dont release the fanátics one turn before? The rule says any start of the turn subfase!
I can’t remember now 😄
Those role off dice especially the ork ❤
Hahah yup
skaven need maximum rank bonus for as long as possible. True some other armies now also have warband, but it was always a Skaven rule. Always try to have and keep maximum rank bonus for as long as possible when playing Skaven.
Oh yes for sure.
Seems like when the fanatics cross another fanatic, they would do damage to each other. So, still probably kill each other. Sound right?
They no longer out right die when they hit another fanatic but it's like 99% sure both would die from d6 st 5 ap 3 attacks to themselves
Ye the squig that does the going over will squish the other one.
I miss my old Night Gobblin army badly 😢 Flinging squigs across the board was some incredible fun.
It still is. Jess oh need to start again.
Just ordered a bunch of Night Gobbos over the weekend to start my army again that I lost a few years ago. Now as I rewatch this, Manglers go on rounds in TOW for sure? I ordered two.
Please hold the camera steady, getting serious vertigo with it swooping around everywhere
It’s not as easy as it looks lol.
Where did you get the movement trays from if I may ask?
Laser cut mdf bases I cut myself! You should be able to find similar ones online for pretty cheap 😊
@@MediocreHobbies thanks!
Funny guys and cool armies :D
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed!
Great TOW reports, keep it up! More orcs though!
I will indeed.
Guys your are crazy!!
Probably too much fungus or warpstone 😂
Hahah maybe a little.
you do not get the warband bonus when you test to restrain. just FYI
Oh that’s important.
Thanks for the high quality battle report, I really enjoyed most of it. But there was something that caught my attention a few too many times to be comfortable watching without commenting.
Oh man, I want to be nice, I really do. But this has to be mentioned.
You sir (goblin player) have the patience of a saint. It's so annoying playing against someone who tries to measure wrong intentionally, ignoring the scatter direction and angle the measurement to a more favourable position all while being vague and unclear then just giggle when he get's caught brushing it off. I would not play against someone like that myself. We are all different, and to each their own, but I and that Skaven player would not get along for more than a few minutes at best.
I try to not be mean and hard on the guy, because he clearly had a good time and was cheerful and happy throughout. I just can't handle these subtle cheating, and sometimes blatently cheating. "It doesn't scatter"... It's your sesponsibility to know your own units and it's also your responsibility to follow the rules of the game.
Cheers pal. It’s all good he is just competitive it’s his nature I’m used to it.
Fun game
Christ that guy was gamey though.
Little bit.
Great game.
Cheers.
I'm sure the skaven list need some adjustments. Like using strong units instead of weak units
It was a game for fun and to show some cool units, not a competitive game!
I have 8k of skaven. Write me a 1,500 point list and we will have REVENGE!!!!!!
Another common dub for the green skins
Fun factions!
Cheers.
While RAW a Skaven character could attack and then "Retire" to the back I don't think it's the intent. When they do that it says that they can't make Attacks. It really should be "at the beginning of any Phase"
Hmmm interring I shall have to look that up.
Squig hurt! 😂
Yup
Fanatics being pushed out while in combat seems like something that needs an faq. Same with hits from them while in combat. They shouldn't be able to throw them out while in combat and the hits they do to a unit in combat should be randomized. There's really no reason to take anything other than blocks of night goblins with three fanatics. Seems way overpowered.
I was thinking the same. With that damage why pick anything else? What's the downside?
Well you can’t release them in the combat phase. It’s at the start of the turn. So if you want till combat you have to survive a round of combat. If you lose and get run down you lose all the fanatics so it’s a gamble. In this game it payed off. There strong but very expensive for a unit of goblins.
we need doomdivers back
We really do.
We need a rematch
True
damn fanatics scary :O
I hate fanatics….😂
Yuuup
Holy cow its peter Griffin! Plz do the laugh on a future channel! Hehehehehe!
Hahahhah
It has been commented under some of your other videos but it bears repeating:
You zoom in way too much. It's the equivalent of holding the viewer's head 10" away from the dice rolls. It's unnecessary and confusing. Would greatly appreciate it if you just filmed without zooming in and maybe without moving and shaking the camera around so much.
Other than that great video and very enjoyable battle report!
Haven’t had that comment before-you might be thinking of a different channel? Cheers for the feedback though, appreciate it and glad you enjoyed!
Don’t remember any other comments. Nobody else seamed to mind.
No panic in melee, guys. Fanatic bomb is OP, they shouldn't really let player release the fanatics if engaged
Na I think you can work them around.
Pistol & Ratling I think can stand and shoot. (Quickshot).
Skaven really miss getting to have a bunch of BS magic items like the doom rocket to carry the entire battle 😊
True.
the skavenest skaven player to ever skaven
Hahaha very true.
Ratling gun doesn’t take the penalty for moving due to quick shot 😉
Oh that’s cool to known
I get new edition excitement, but the Skaven player was far too hyper and presumptive (read: incorrect) with lots of the rules; it made for quite exhausting viewing. You were correct to repeatedly call out the mistakes/assumptions as they had the potential to be very impactful. We're all learning the nuances of the game, naturally, and that's probably best achieved by being a little calmer.
Maybe a little but yes. He is a very excitable person.
I miss savage orcs :c
Never was a fan. But I can see why you missed them.
Don't worry they are still there.
It's just an upgrade to standard orc mobs. But Difficult to have full armies of them tho.
great game, fyi ratling guns dble check quick shot
Cheers.
Newman !!!
Cheers
skirmishers are not -1to hit
Shootinf at Skirmishers units that consist entirely of models with unit strength 1 suffer a -1 to hit modifier. Page 185 "Enemy Fire." So not the Squig hopper mobs, they are light cavalry, but the squiq herds are all unit strength 1.
Oh really? In need to check that.
Those skaven dice are cancer!
Yup
The Skaven player is using some very iffy rules here…📕🤨
Haha maybe a little.
It’s the skaven way 😂… or that I did not read the rules … but who knows 😂
That's 1500 points of Goblins? XD
Just as gross as I remember HA
The fact that Skaven are a legacy Army and not "officially" in the game blows my mind. A faction that for the most part is essentially GWs creation and they don't include them.... for shame
I know rite. They for sure need to be added in.
During the time line of the Old World the Skaven Clans are engaged in civil war. The Great Horned Rat has not arrived yet to unit the clans and bring the Skaven to the surface.
37:33 :O
Hahaha hep
Why yes, I'll destroy a beloved game and then release a beleaguered, inferior clone of it.
Why not?
Helpful.
Your first stormvermin combat was done wrong. The nightgoblins had 3 casualties in the front rank. That means 3 less attacks from the front rank and the 3 guys behind couldn't fight because they had to step up, meaning you used 6 more attacks than you should have.
That’s not how it works. Your half rite. The front rank guys do indeed die and can’t fight but the second rank guys can indeed fight. Step up is later.
I really have to commend you on a video shorter than 1 hour. I love watching the old world but most reports are 2 to 3 hours.
Appreciate that a lot, it’s hard to edit it all down but it’s harder to have time to watch a full game 😂
@@MediocreHobbies it's really much appreciated 👏
This is the most awkward battle report i've ever seen
A few awkward moments we hope to not repeat. Hope it hasn’t turned you off watching us again.
And you guys are still ignoring the 1" rule.
Yes we are lol 😂… so many rules to remember…. Hopefully we get it right in the next report
The Old World code is more what you call 'guidelines' than actual rules, yarrr
Perhaps lol.
Jezzails hit on 5 at long range...
Good to know.