When I was relatively new to the game I couldn't beat broken vessel and I equipped this charm and as I died it did one last hit of damage and I won. Since then I respect this charm a lot more
@@enderdrane more like the dreamshield can deal the death blow to an enemy even when the Knight is in their death animation. That’s how I defeated Nosk, the fiend killed me, but while my shade was getting out my dreamshield hit Nosk one more time and killed it. After I respawned and returned to the boss room Nosk was nowhere to be found and I could proceed to the back room beyond the boss room.
Ok I understand that people had different play styles and all that and dream shield fits with domed play style but radiant nosk of all bosses, something like soul tyrant or mantis lords is what k expected this comment section to be filled with as dream shield can help a lot, but nosk is not difficult to dodge even with slow reaction times,
I didn’t realize how much it could delete. Like I thought there were a few boss projectiles it didn’t work on Anyways, it is a great job for new players who aren’t very confident in their movement or feel overwhelmed by certain fights/areas. The 2 things that stop it from being an amazing charm is the cost (3 notches feels way to high) and the spinning. If it was just a 180 degree arc it would be fine but the fact that it’s 360 means that it won’t be very useful for about 50% of the time. I feel like a reduction in cost or a 180 arc would make this charm significantly better. Edit: although the 180 degree arc may make it too good since it’s a nearly guaranteed form of protection. So maybe reducing the cost from 3 to 2 would be better
There's other issues with it though, centered around it attacking things without you actually wanting it to. For example it can hit ooma that you were just gonna slip by, causing you to risk a 2 mask hit. It can also deprive you of needed soul if you let it kill an enemy you wanted to get it from. Sometimes it's extra damage when you need it, but it makes it harder to maintain control of your situations. Honestly I feel like I'd need it to be a one notch charm before I started using it. I mean, are you gonna say it's more useful than grubsong? Especially for newer players!
@@randyohm3445 The charm itself isn't bad the thing is that I'd never use it because there are just better ones.Although for radiant oblobles it is good
I think the rotating is actually good for newer players, as it provides a learning mechanism where at first sometimes stuff just gets blocked, but over time they learn to assume the rotation of the shield to block attacks giving extra practice with projectile path/pattern prediction.
I think the real issue is that it's visibly inconsistent, it's just a better carefree melody but because you can see the shield it feels worse to use. Both have a chance to block attacks, the chance for both is about 25% if you're standing still, but dreamshield can block far more if used well. But since the player doesn't feel in control players can only hate using it. Maybe if it followed your swing direction, didn't deal damage, and broke half a second after being hit (to allow it to block multiple projectiles and projectile streams) it would be useable since then the player would feel in control.
Huh. I've never actually seen this much gameplay of dreamshield. I had no idea it had any damage scaling or complete projectile negation. You've created an compelling argument for a charm nobody's even ever tried to defend, well done!
I actually love dreamshield and use it quite frequently, to the point that it's becoming a bit of a problem in randomizers, because any time I wanna do any bouncing on enemies or my shade to sequence break, I have to remove it. My beloved grubsong and weaversong combo has the same issue.
Thank you! I actually had enough footage for twice as long but had to cut back most of it. I opted to have longer, more natural, parts where I just play normally.
After over 800 hours of playing this game I never once knew that Dreamshield rotated more quickly when you're focusing soul. Too bad its attack radius doesn't also expand.
I think one of the reasons it is so good in this specific video is due to your movement and acouting for the dream shield and using it to your advantage this movement could be quiet tricky for new players but I think you did a great job displaying dreamsheilds potential.
Ah, I've been waiting for this one. Underrated charm in my opinion. It's functionnally a better version of sharp shadow, since it also allows you to block or even delete many projectiles. Edit: Oh wow, even I didn't know that it could block those suicidal explosive flies things.
How is it comparable to sharp shadow? I understand the similarities in utility to the shadow dash, but sharp shadow's additions don't seem similar to me.
@@nightmareheart1 Because when you're dashing throught an enemy, your dreamshield will do damage, like for sharp shadow, but it will also do all of these other things. And it comes without the absolutely awful sound effect of sharp shadow, so that's a big plus in my opinion.
Happy to finally see some appreciation for Dream Shield. I've always been of the opinion that it's a fine utility charm, it's biggest drawback is that you can only put it to good use if the game allows you to move at your own pace. If you're put under constant pressure and have to react and adapt on a whim, you won't get enough opportunities to properly position or move with the Shield in mind. This is why it's great for say, single boomerang mantises or Markoth, but god awful for agressive and volatile encounters like Grimm
I used the dream shield for most of my playthrough, I’m pretty lucky and ended up learning its movement pretty well and it blocked a LOT of attacks for me, that’s also why I use carefree melody. The only reason I stopped wearing it was to do the pantheons because it’s not as good in back to back boss fights as walking around and I changed my entire charm setup for them
this is true ,dreamsheild really carried me a lot in many situation early when i was new, especially the moment where i was 1 mask left and dreamsheild protected/helped me , and then me being glad for 1whole min that i used it
My favorite "meme" charm. Pretty useful in colo in general. When your nail is fully upgraded it can almost one shot some enemies. Its position isn't that big problem as well since colo dudes can charge at you from multiple directions
PIN PLZ!! As a top tier dreamshield user here's a guide for beginners: 1.- When in fights, find a pattern where the shield is above your head when the enemy atacks, and sideways when you do. But if the enemy is above you (like an aspid) approach with the shield pointing upwards. a - The majority of projectiles spawn above the knight's head b - If the mob attacks you with something you can't block (for example, its body, nail strikes, thorns, hornet with her needle throws, elder hu pancakes, etc) there's no point in attempting to block it, usually, you dodge and then blow a hit. While you dodge, the dreamshield has time to travel to a horizontal position, giving you a chance to double hit in your next attack. c - If you are receiving projectiles from above and the enemy is also airborne, approach it with the shield covering your head, this way you block and deal damage at the same time. 2.- dOn't aBuse *dReaMshIELD* aS a *shEild* a - If you keep moving aimlessly expecting the charm to block everything... my boy, you are not a Panzer with 40cm of oniric armor, the shield is single use AND your last resort, *you are not a tank.* b - If you abuse it as a shield (or as a weapon, if you don't know what are you doing), you are going to be 70% of the time without protection, remember it needs time to respawn. c - Don't make it your absolute savior, if you get used to go towards projectiles instead of even attempting to dodge them AND the dreamshield is in the opposite side, you are going to take a lot of damage *really fast.* 3.- If it fails, don't flee like a madman a - If the shield fails to block an enemy attack, don't focus in getting out of there, if you panic, you are going to take more damage. Maybe you have seen or experienced this: Something hits you and you get nervous, you try to escape but on the way you only take more damage because you are left vulnerable by only looking at your life bar instead of what is hitting you. 4.- Don't abuse it like a weapon a - If you hit the enemy BEFORE they make their attack, you are left unprotected for quite a long time, which will likely cost you one or two masks. Just double hit when you can see a clear time window. SUMMARY: ATTACK : SHIELD SIDEWAYS DODGE : SHIELD UPWARDS *DO:* Keep the shield as your last line of defense Learn to dodge and read different types of projectiles or physics, you may not need to use your shield for everything Seek for a cycle of these stages _dodge-hit-respawn_ If the enemy is above you, attack and block with the shield upwards *DONT:* Panic or tilt when your shield fails to block something Abuse it in any way, otherwise, you'll have less shield per shield Use the shield as a substitute for dodging
while it can help newer players and I like the charm, the damage ends up being less than strength once you're more skilled since you can swing more than once per it's cooldown, and the blocking things can often have you need to move for the shield to be in place, so unless you're good with the shield, it's not worth it. Also, getting too used to blocking projectiles could be the downfall for some, since some projectiles pierce through it, for example dream warrior projectiles and the radiance orbs after a little bit. I'm probably pointing out things everyone reading this comment already knew, but I felt like writing it so there.
I LOVED the dream shield, used it excessively after obtaining it. The amount of projectiles and small mobs it blasted while my attention was elsewhere is staggering. And as I played a bit more defensive/evasively, this paired with a companion (more often Grimchild or Weavers) worked great for me at getting damage in where I was too shy to strike.
When I was a noob, and fighting mantis lords for the first time, dreamshield was my savior, I could never escape the projectile attacks fast enough! XD
Hmmm very interesting progression arc Queens gardens -> Mantis lords -> City But it’s amazing how fast you can defeat bosses when you use the shield the right way
Now that I think about it, dream shield could be used to heal in phase 2 soul master. In other cases, I feel like the problem is that people need to work _with_ the dream shield to maneuver it in a place to block stuff.
I'd say it's very situational, and requires decent skill with it before it starts being worth its cost. Does this make it bad? ... Probably, at least in comparison to some of the other charms in the game. But I still like it.
I remember in my first playthrough, I honestly felt like dreamshield was one of the best charms in the game. _Of course_ at the time I ended up missing out on a lot of other really good charms like quickslash, but I still think it's pretty good (and way better than basically every summon save for maybe weaversong)
The first time i went through crystal peaks, I didn't get that spells could hurt the crystal laser beam crawly bugs, but i didn't need to b/c dreamshield 100% carried me through those little jerks
as Someone who had most trouble during the Mantis lords with the projectiles and not their melee attacks this charm really helped out. Especially since focusing with it makes it spin faster. allowing you to adjust its position slightly
For nkg, dreamshield is a godsend. It does chip damage, it pairs with unbreakable strength, (another REALLY good charm for this fight), blocks bats, blocks fireballs, and if you equip it, it does about 50% of nkg's health if you fight normally
i admire the fact that you’re dedication to this charm is so strong that you’ll just make any combat twice as slow as just hitting them with your nail and dodging their attack just for the sake of using this charm
I hope people struggling in hollow knight see this, this looks super helpful! I never really gave dreamshield the time of day before I saw this video but now you've made me want to try it out
Dreamshield is fantastic agains certain enemies and against one particularly though boss (that also uses dreamshield of his own). Generally I loved it and used often. Also it looks badass (the bigger version)! 😁
I think the main reason people clown on it is that even when it’s useful for new players, 3 charm slots is a lot (especially early game), I always thought 2 was a more reasonable cost
Maybe if we got two shelds on opposite directions then I would think three charm notches is excitable. But for what we got this has to have 2 if not 1 charm notch.
@@helios2664 If deep focus didn't didn't decrease your focus time so much I'd probably say it's worth 4 charm notches (until you fight bosses that do double damage).
I think that a lot of people tend to categorise dreamshield for its usefulness with bosses or aiding exploration. I’ve found dreamshield to be a favourite of mine in things such as beastiary grinding, where it provides a nice amount of passive and easy damage, while also dealing with environmental things I don’t want to tussle with myself!
Rework ideas 1. While charging a nail art the shield rotates and recovers faster 2. The shield locks on to the last enemy the knight used the dream nail, until it disappears from the screen, either by dying, teleporting or just moving off screen 3. The shield is manually rotetable with the camera controls (right spins it clockwise and left spins it anticlockwise) 4. The shield quickly appears in the direction the knight attacks, but is otherwise complitely absent
I think the biggest benefit to the dreamshield is that it can really improve confidence in new players as some of the strain of dodging and attacking at the same time is alleviated, I used it for a few fights on my first time playing through and it really helped in some sections
can you do a video on grubsong? It's pretty broken. -Converts masks into damage more efficiently then thorns of agony -is more efficient then carefree melody, only requiring you to heal, overall gives more hp back, AND COSTS 1 NOTCH. -can be found extremely earlygame. -again, this is a one notch charm that performs better then many other more lategame charms.
Even in the worst case, CFM can only block every other hit while grubsong almost lets you heal every other hit but the probability of that is extremely low
One time in city of tear my shade (holding alot of geo) was glitched and it didnt exist so my dream shield hit one of those explosive bird things under me and killed me and I lost my geo
Time to start learning the great and ancient Moths fighting style! I Now wonder if there's MothKnight mod that tweaks some things, or even Markoth mod that allows us to do some stuff similar to his moves. Would probably be hard to not make it either gimmicky and useless or overpowered...
You need to go to the top left in the room above the Mantis Village, where there is a Whispering root, and then make your way down in that next set of rooms. You need Wings for that.
This video is well made and does show points in favour of this charm But this thing you are moving away from most enemies’ attacks just to show it can deflect them. You might just as well dodge them entirely. Plus, the Colosseum pathway was a good example of how much someone might need to wait to use the Dreamshield to block enemy hits. And same with damage, we need to move away and wait for it to come to the right spot. When it does, most of the time the enemy has moved away It’s just too slow to be used in most practical situations
Well that is the dilemma with this charm, you need to manipulate the shield in most cases and since this IS a showcase on what this charm can and cannot deflect/absorb, there isn't always another way to do it. You need to keep in mind what the purpose of the video is, dodging out of the way won't show what the shield can do. If I showed up to a motorcycle showcase with a car, arguing that it was better because it had a roof then that is true, but it's not the intention of the showcase.
the main thing about Dreamshield is that it does passive damage, meaning as a noob, I can focus on dodging and healing while my damage output is mostly handling itself.
Dreamshield allowed me to beat Nighmare Grimm as it did a decent chunk of damage while I wash dashing away from/through Grimm. I mean, you're supposed to hit him but I spent a lot of time just surviving and the Dreamshield took care of the damage. XD
Honestly this thing saved my bacon on multiple occasions. It's not bad per say, but you do need to play around it and if used correctly it can extend your attack range by a decent amount. If I remember correctly the shield actually moves out slightly further for half a second when you swing your nail although you can't see it very well in this video. It also spins much faster and gets closer when your healing. It's fantastic for bosses that shoot a lot of projectiles or try to drop a bunch of crap on your head like Grim and False Knight. Yeah it's not going to block all attacks due to it's spin, but it will block enough and give you some breathing room. Any projectiles that hit it are projectiles you don't have to dodge. Just avoid using it in Fog Canyon...that's a good way to accidently die by jelly fish I found out.
When grinding for geo I’ve found that dreamshield and gathoering swarm together are really good, because dreamshield helps you deal damage more safely, but the geo tends to go everywhere, so I use gathering swarm to negate that
@@zarif1217 no. my geo grinding bbuild is wayward compass, dreamshield, grimmchild, and thorns of agony, plus sometimes like sprintmaster or steady body
I actually used it for P3* P4 and P5*. *(swapped out for soul eater while facing uumuu, there, I can guarantee it will always be in the wrong spot) I use ONLY Nail Arts, so, unlike many other players, I have plenty of notches to work with. If I remember correctly, my build for pantheons was - Nailmaster's glory, dreamshield, dream wielder, quick focus, unn and grubsong. I think the point is not to expect it to do something, but to play normally and then watch it save you when you could not dodge.
My favorite charm in the game. I don't use it much in endgame, but it served me so well while exploring Hollownest for the first time. Idk what people are on about when hating on it, hitting things with it is soooooo satisfying. And it isn't supposed to block *everything* all the time, it's just a supplement.
I may be biased because I'm just a noob on his first playtrough, but I love the Dream shield. I don't know if it's sheer luck or I am secretly attuned to the shield, but it always happens to be exactly where I need it. Maybe it's because I don't play around it, but I let it play around me.
The problem with dreamshield is most of the time you have to position yourself in the right place or wait for the dreamshield to move to the projectiles, and there are better options like shaman stone, quick focus, quick slash and mark of pride
do you think that it would be worth going quick focus and sometimes quickly focusing to make the shield reposition for an optimal combo vs bosses for example?
Something that I was wondering while watching this is if dreamshield would be good if it only faced directly behind you. That way it could be more useable and consistent than it is right now, but it would still require some skill to turn around to block stuff
I didnt like Deam shield in my first game, but in the Coliseum of Fools i came to love it and now in my third game is one of my absolute favorites. With shadow dash if you use it correctly you have an acceptable alternative to Sharp Shadow.
It would be cool if the shield acted like Baldur Shell while healing if you have Dream Wielder equipped, and if you get hit in that state the shield breaks for like 10 seconds
The video makes some good points, but a few flaws I've noticed are: - If the player has dreamshield, they've most likely already done everything up to most of deepnest and gotten to ancient basin from the right side of city of tears (Note: that's how I ended up getting to resting grounds in my first playthrough, so I could be biased in that regard) - By that point they're probably competent enough to not really need dreamshield, especially for its high charm notch cost (considering the route listed above, dreamshield would be acquired about halfway through the game if the true ending is taken into consideration, and more than half if not) - In the video, you're making a constant effort to block stuff with dreamshield, which I assume is to showcase what it can and can't block, but this also makes the charm seem more effective than it actually is since most players won't adjust their playstyle to specifically cater to blocking things with dreamshield Edit: I still do think the video is a cool proof of concept, since no one really gives dreamshield a chance, but that doesn't change the fact that it has multiple fatal flaws that really add up to it not being all that great
The most common way I've seen is cloak, mantis claw, then city of tears/ crystal peak. I got it quite early, being only my 5th charm. I never used it tho lol
The main problem honestly is the fact that it spins slowly around you and if you get too close to an enemy with it, it will hit them and lose its effectiveness for a short time. For me, that just makes it way too situational because it actually get effective use out of it, you still have to dodge most projectiles.
Rate my bizarre generalist build I used to beat P5 for the first time back in 2018 since I like trying out the more weird charms: Sprintmaster, Dashmaster, Steady Body, Sharp Shadow, Nailmaster's Glory, Dreamshield, Dream Wielder.
Not me taking notes as if I hadn't just completed 112% in 8 hours as a speedrun I might consider starting to equip it for grimmkin instead of mark of pride tho
@@MadameRhapsody I got all achievements several months ago, I've been doing steel soul speedruns since my first 100% one had perished :o) That 112% 8h steel soul is alive and well tho, so mission accomplished! At this point I have 300h ish of playtime and only the HOG left to beat on Radiant to have completed everything on my main save 😆
dreamshield and carefree melody are unironically 2 of the most underrated charms in the game because people use them once, don't get anything out of them because they think they can just facetank with em, and then throw away I IMMEDIATELY saw the value of dreamshield and only really took it off for traitor lord since dreamshield can't delete his blade throws I still use this in pantheon runs and radiant fights because it's just that good
@@MadameRhapsody I actually don't know WHY it's like that, seems stange to have this one boss in particular have an unblockable projectile when their whole moveset isn't projectiles I get the dream bosses, they literally can't deal contact damage, if you could block their projectiles they'd be a joke. But why traitor lord of all bosses?
Back when I didn't know you could upslash, I used dreamshield to get rid of some of the enemies I couldn't reach :^)
.....How long did it take you to learn you could upslash??
How did you find out about upslash
Did... Did you get through Fungal wastes and pogo sections before learning upslash? Or did you get dream shield before wall jump?
@@aogasd I did learn about pogo by looking it up when i got stuck in fungal wastes :D
I didnt even knew downslash was a thing.... And I got double jump when realized it..... (Omg, it was lije 40 hours KILL ME PLEEEASE)
mantis lords is a REALLY good example of how dreamshield can help new players, as displayed in the video!
Indeed, and since everyone fawns over Mark of Pride I had to fight them even if it's not required.
the only problem is that most people would probably fight mantis lords before even arriving at the resting grounds
@@sophisticatedfrog5737 that’s the joke
@@aminikamini8394 what
Exactly! I beat mantis lords for the first time with dreamshield. Otherwise I didn't have any openings to attack
When I was relatively new to the game I couldn't beat broken vessel and I equipped this charm and as I died it did one last hit of damage and I won. Since then I respect this charm a lot more
Clutch victory, nice!
The game registered the hit and disregarded the death? Nice
@@enderdrane more like the dreamshield can deal the death blow to an enemy even when the Knight is in their death animation. That’s how I defeated Nosk, the fiend killed me, but while my shade was getting out my dreamshield hit Nosk one more time and killed it. After I respawned and returned to the boss room Nosk was nowhere to be found and I could proceed to the back room beyond the boss room.
@@gmilh wait, i thought you said broken vessel. The broken vessel and nosk are completely different things. Did you confuse them? :d
@@enderdrane 2 different people commenting on similar experiences, one with broken vessel and the other with nosk
Not gonna lie, Dreamshield was one of the main reasons why I was able to beat Radiant Nosk without smashing my keyboard in half
Congrats on Radiant Nosk!
Ok I understand that people had different play styles and all that and dream shield fits with domed play style but radiant nosk of all bosses, something like soul tyrant or mantis lords is what k expected this comment section to be filled with as dream shield can help a lot, but nosk is not difficult to dodge even with slow reaction times,
@@exio6938 For Nosk it's about showing that the shield removes his infection splatter on the floor, which can be helpful in a pinch.
@@exio6938 Nobody is having trouble dodging nosk when he runs at you, his infection attacks are problematic sometimes though.
I didn’t realize how much it could delete. Like I thought there were a few boss projectiles it didn’t work on
Anyways, it is a great job for new players who aren’t very confident in their movement or feel overwhelmed by certain fights/areas. The 2 things that stop it from being an amazing charm is the cost (3 notches feels way to high) and the spinning. If it was just a 180 degree arc it would be fine but the fact that it’s 360 means that it won’t be very useful for about 50% of the time. I feel like a reduction in cost or a 180 arc would make this charm significantly better.
Edit: although the 180 degree arc may make it too good since it’s a nearly guaranteed form of protection. So maybe reducing the cost from 3 to 2 would be better
If only it could block Crystal Hunter Projectiles.
There's other issues with it though, centered around it attacking things without you actually wanting it to. For example it can hit ooma that you were just gonna slip by, causing you to risk a 2 mask hit. It can also deprive you of needed soul if you let it kill an enemy you wanted to get it from. Sometimes it's extra damage when you need it, but it makes it harder to maintain control of your situations. Honestly I feel like I'd need it to be a one notch charm before I started using it. I mean, are you gonna say it's more useful than grubsong? Especially for newer players!
@@randyohm3445 The charm itself isn't bad the thing is that I'd never use it because there are just better ones.Although for radiant oblobles it is good
It would not be a guaranteed form of protection as the coverage of the shield is reduced by 50% if it only covers half the angle
I think the rotating is actually good for newer players, as it provides a learning mechanism where at first sometimes stuff just gets blocked, but over time they learn to assume the rotation of the shield to block attacks giving extra practice with projectile path/pattern prediction.
I think the real issue is that it's visibly inconsistent, it's just a better carefree melody but because you can see the shield it feels worse to use. Both have a chance to block attacks, the chance for both is about 25% if you're standing still, but dreamshield can block far more if used well.
But since the player doesn't feel in control players can only hate using it.
Maybe if it followed your swing direction, didn't deal damage, and broke half a second after being hit (to allow it to block multiple projectiles and projectile streams) it would be useable since then the player would feel in control.
It's really inconsistent. Great idea, flawed execution. There are better ways to make it work, but not OP.
am i the only one that liked using it???
@@enricobianchi4499 you're not alone I am using it and loving every second of this charm
Huh. I've never actually seen this much gameplay of dreamshield. I had no idea it had any damage scaling or complete projectile negation. You've created an compelling argument for a charm nobody's even ever tried to defend, well done!
I actually love dreamshield and use it quite frequently, to the point that it's becoming a bit of a problem in randomizers, because any time I wanna do any bouncing on enemies or my shade to sequence break, I have to remove it. My beloved grubsong and weaversong combo has the same issue.
Thank you! I actually had enough footage for twice as long but had to cut back most of it. I opted to have longer, more natural, parts where I just play normally.
In my first playtrough i tried doing soul tyrant whit dreamshield
@@hop7642 how'd that go?
@@lordnub4185 it was hell
After over 800 hours of playing this game I never once knew that Dreamshield rotated more quickly when you're focusing soul. Too bad its attack radius doesn't also expand.
It moves closer to provide better protection.
I mean, it is a shield, so if anything, it should get closer to you as it does in-game
If it expands, we might be a second markoth xD
markoth moment indeed
I knew because I heal a lot
it may be a decent charm, but dreamshield only radiant markoth has scarred me forever…
My condolences for your loss of sanity.
I remember a run where that was a challenge and they wanted to do it against the dream shield warrior.
It was steel soul and he died
@@jacobdoolan4978 You mean Skurry? Yeah they died. At least the first time, then they actually did it the next time.
@@MadameRhapsody ye ye, glad we watched the same vid and you have a much better memory than me XD
I think one of the reasons it is so good in this specific video is due to your movement and acouting for the dream shield and using it to your advantage this movement could be quiet tricky for new players but I think you did a great job displaying dreamsheilds potential.
Thank you. Yeah it is really difficult to both show it well and not play like I've used it a ton.
I actually love dreamshield for Oblobbles since it allows to heal pretty safely, I get destroyed without it
Indeed. I opted to not show it because doing Colo 2 on your first Steel Soul run is not something everyone will do.
@@MadameRhapsody colo 2 was my first and only major steel soul death, since then i never do that on a steel soul save until i have basically max gear
Woow!! Very satisfying to watch such an coordination and accuracy
Thanks! Took so long to get it all together, glad you like it!
@@MadameRhapsody incredible work!! So underrated, I wish more people could see it
Ah, I've been waiting for this one. Underrated charm in my opinion. It's functionnally a better version of sharp shadow, since it also allows you to block or even delete many projectiles.
Edit: Oh wow, even I didn't know that it could block those suicidal explosive flies things.
How is it comparable to sharp shadow? I understand the similarities in utility to the shadow dash, but sharp shadow's additions don't seem similar to me.
Well if you are comparing the two sharp shadow is still better in my opinion.
@@nightmareheart1 Because when you're dashing throught an enemy, your dreamshield will do damage, like for sharp shadow, but it will also do all of these other things. And it comes without the absolutely awful sound effect of sharp shadow, so that's a big plus in my opinion.
How do you compare this to sharp shadow? These two charms do different things?
@@legrandliseurtri7495 That’s still a terrible comparison.
Happy to finally see some appreciation for Dream Shield. I've always been of the opinion that it's a fine utility charm, it's biggest drawback is that you can only put it to good use if the game allows you to move at your own pace.
If you're put under constant pressure and have to react and adapt on a whim, you won't get enough opportunities to properly position or move with the Shield in mind. This is why it's great for say, single boomerang mantises or Markoth, but god awful for agressive and volatile encounters like Grimm
I used the dream shield for most of my playthrough, I’m pretty lucky and ended up learning its movement pretty well and it blocked a LOT of attacks for me, that’s also why I use carefree melody. The only reason I stopped wearing it was to do the pantheons because it’s not as good in back to back boss fights as walking around and I changed my entire charm setup for them
This charm honestly deserves a little bit more of atention,I used it in radiant oblobles and it helped me(not a lot)but ir did something
It's doing its best after all.
this is true ,dreamsheild really carried me a lot in many situation early when i was new, especially the moment where i was 1 mask left and dreamsheild protected/helped me , and then me being glad for 1whole min that i used it
Here is the legend to show us all how dreamshield is not useless
My favorite "meme" charm. Pretty useful in colo in general. When your nail is fully upgraded it can almost one shot some enemies. Its position isn't that big problem as well since colo dudes can charge at you from multiple directions
PIN PLZ!!
As a top tier dreamshield user here's a guide for beginners:
1.- When in fights, find a pattern where the shield is above your head when the enemy atacks, and sideways when you do. But if the enemy is above you (like an aspid) approach with the shield pointing upwards.
a - The majority of projectiles spawn above the knight's head
b - If the mob attacks you with something you can't block (for example, its body, nail strikes, thorns, hornet with her needle
throws, elder hu pancakes, etc) there's no point in attempting to block it, usually, you dodge and then blow a hit. While you
dodge, the dreamshield has time to travel to a horizontal position, giving you a chance to double hit in your next
attack.
c - If you are receiving projectiles from above and the enemy is also airborne, approach it with the shield covering your head,
this way you block and deal damage at the same time.
2.- dOn't aBuse *dReaMshIELD* aS a *shEild*
a - If you keep moving aimlessly expecting the charm to block everything... my boy, you are not a Panzer with 40cm of
oniric armor, the shield is single use AND your last resort, *you are not a tank.*
b - If you abuse it as a shield (or as a weapon, if you don't know what are you doing), you are going to be 70% of the time
without protection, remember it needs time to respawn.
c - Don't make it your absolute savior, if you get used to go towards projectiles instead of even attempting to dodge them
AND the dreamshield is in the opposite side, you are going to take a lot of damage *really fast.*
3.- If it fails, don't flee like a madman
a - If the shield fails to block an enemy attack, don't focus in getting out of there, if you panic, you are going to take more
damage.
Maybe you have seen or experienced this:
Something hits you and you get nervous, you try to escape but on the way you only take more damage because you are left vulnerable by only looking at your life bar instead of what is hitting you.
4.- Don't abuse it like a weapon
a - If you hit the enemy BEFORE they make their attack, you are left unprotected for quite a long time, which will likely cost
you one or two masks. Just double hit when you can see a clear time window.
SUMMARY:
ATTACK : SHIELD SIDEWAYS
DODGE : SHIELD UPWARDS
*DO:*
Keep the shield as your last line of defense
Learn to dodge and read different types of projectiles or physics, you may not need to use your shield for everything
Seek for a cycle of these stages _dodge-hit-respawn_
If the enemy is above you, attack and block with the shield upwards
*DONT:*
Panic or tilt when your shield fails to block something
Abuse it in any way, otherwise, you'll have less shield per shield
Use the shield as a substitute for dodging
The thumbnails are getting better and better! (So are the videos ofc.)
jonnyLove!
while it can help newer players and I like the charm, the damage ends up being less than strength once you're more skilled since you can swing more than once per it's cooldown, and the blocking things can often have you need to move for the shield to be in place, so unless you're good with the shield, it's not worth it. Also, getting too used to blocking projectiles could be the downfall for some, since some projectiles pierce through it, for example dream warrior projectiles and the radiance orbs after a little bit. I'm probably pointing out things everyone reading this comment already knew, but I felt like writing it so there.
I LOVED the dream shield, used it excessively after obtaining it. The amount of projectiles and small mobs it blasted while my attention was elsewhere is staggering. And as I played a bit more defensive/evasively, this paired with a companion (more often Grimchild or Weavers) worked great for me at getting damage in where I was too shy to strike.
Dreamshield is another one of those “if you know how to use it and get used to it it is useful “ charms
When I was a noob, and fighting mantis lords for the first time, dreamshield was my savior, I could never escape the projectile attacks fast enough! XD
It works for Traitor Lord as well but Mantis Lords is the better example. Lets you heal safely in many cases.
Hmmm very interesting progression arc
Queens gardens -> Mantis lords -> City
But it’s amazing how fast you can defeat bosses when you use the shield the right way
Oh I didn't go into the areas in the order they are presented in the video. That was purely for pacing and music synch up.
Dreamshield helped me so much on Oblobbles when completing the bindings of pantheon 2.
Already can see: "RADIANCE RUSH!!! DREAMSHIELD ONLY, NO NAIL!!"
Now that I think about it, dream shield could be used to heal in phase 2 soul master.
In other cases, I feel like the problem is that people need to work _with_ the dream shield to maneuver it in a place to block stuff.
Dream shield saves you from that empty looking charm notches
these transitions are godly…I really liked the one at 4:31. I also appreciated the music editing.
That really kind of you, I spend a lot of time trying to make them both feel good.
5:34 That's weird is it dinking on... the geo inside the water? That's interesting
It's just the water I think, so weird.
That bow to the Mantis Lords was very classy of you 👏 👌 😁
Respect goes a long way.
I'd say it's very situational, and requires decent skill with it before it starts being worth its cost. Does this make it bad? ... Probably, at least in comparison to some of the other charms in the game. But I still like it.
I remember in my first playthrough, I honestly felt like dreamshield was one of the best charms in the game.
_Of course_ at the time I ended up missing out on a lot of other really good charms like quickslash, but I still think it's pretty good (and way better than basically every summon save for maybe weaversong)
That devout cheese is hilarious!
It was a big surprise to me, glad I opted to do Beast's Den.
170 hours on this game and I never knew you could get rid of the mantis blades with dreamshield.
The first time i went through crystal peaks, I didn't get that spells could hurt the crystal laser beam crawly bugs, but i didn't need to b/c dreamshield 100% carried me through those little jerks
as Someone who had most trouble during the Mantis lords with the projectiles and not their melee attacks this charm really helped out. Especially since focusing with it makes it spin faster. allowing you to adjust its position slightly
My go-to speedrunning charm loadout is just dreamshield.
For nkg, dreamshield is a godsend.
It does chip damage, it pairs with unbreakable strength, (another REALLY good charm for this fight), blocks bats, blocks fireballs, and if you equip it, it does about 50% of nkg's health if you fight normally
Strength is honestly just a really good charm in general especially when paired with quick slash
i admire the fact that you’re dedication to this charm is so strong that you’ll just make any combat twice as slow as just hitting them with your nail and dodging their attack just for the sake of using this charm
Thank you! Although it's more my dedication to provide quality content.
It's still a gimmick charm, just not an entirely useless one.
I hope people struggling in hollow knight see this, this looks super helpful! I never really gave dreamshield the time of day before I saw this video but now you've made me want to try it out
Hope you have a good time. It requires some patience.
Dreamshield is fantastic agains certain enemies and against one particularly though boss (that also uses dreamshield of his own).
Generally I loved it and used often. Also it looks badass (the bigger version)! 😁
Oh congrats on 3k! U earned it!
Thank you!!
I think the main reason people clown on it is that even when it’s useful for new players, 3 charm slots is a lot (especially early game), I always thought 2 was a more reasonable cost
Maybe if we got two shelds on opposite directions then I would think three charm notches is excitable. But for what we got this has to have 2 if not 1 charm notch.
Yeah I agree 3 charm notches is too much as is imo, same thing with deep focus, some charms just seem too expensive relative to what they give you.
@@helios2664 If deep focus didn't didn't decrease your focus time so much I'd probably say it's worth 4 charm notches (until you fight bosses that do double damage).
5:05 i love using defender's crest and then them just exploding at the end XD
I think that a lot of people tend to categorise dreamshield for its usefulness with bosses or aiding exploration. I’ve found dreamshield to be a favourite of mine in things such as beastiary grinding, where it provides a nice amount of passive and easy damage, while also dealing with environmental things I don’t want to tussle with myself!
Rework ideas
1. While charging a nail art the shield rotates and recovers faster
2. The shield locks on to the last enemy the knight used the dream nail, until it disappears from the screen, either by dying, teleporting or just moving off screen
3. The shield is manually rotetable with the camera controls (right spins it clockwise and left spins it anticlockwise)
4. The shield quickly appears in the direction the knight attacks, but is otherwise complitely absent
I think the biggest benefit to the dreamshield is that it can really improve confidence in new players as some of the strain of dodging and attacking at the same time is alleviated, I used it for a few fights on my first time playing through and it really helped in some sections
can you do a video on grubsong? It's pretty broken.
-Converts masks into damage more efficiently then thorns of agony
-is more efficient then carefree melody, only requiring you to heal, overall gives more hp back, AND COSTS 1 NOTCH.
-can be found extremely earlygame.
-again, this is a one notch charm that performs better then many other more lategame charms.
Even in the worst case, CFM can only block every other hit while grubsong almost lets you heal every other hit but the probability of that is extremely low
One time in city of tear my shade (holding alot of geo) was glitched and it didnt exist so my dream shield hit one of those explosive bird things under me and killed me and I lost my geo
I love this charm. Of course, it is really situational but it helps so much in 2nd pantheon with Mantis lords and Obbleobbles
Okay, seems like I underestimated this trinket. I'll reconsider, thank you
Time to start learning the great and ancient Moths fighting style! I Now wonder if there's MothKnight mod that tweaks some things, or even Markoth mod that allows us to do some stuff similar to his moves. Would probably be hard to not make it either gimmicky and useless or overpowered...
10:48 can you give me the location where and how can I get this mask shard
You need to go to the top left in the room above the Mantis Village, where there is a Whispering root, and then make your way down in that next set of rooms. You need Wings for that.
@@MadameRhapsody thanks its actually my very last mask shard
I used this charm a ton in crystal peaks as a newbie, best charm ever
The video was great. But the ending was stellar. Respect.
I wasn't entirely sure if it would work well so thanks!
This video is well made and does show points in favour of this charm
But this thing you are moving away from most enemies’ attacks just to show it can deflect them. You might just as well dodge them entirely. Plus, the Colosseum pathway was a good example of how much someone might need to wait to use the Dreamshield to block enemy hits. And same with damage, we need to move away and wait for it to come to the right spot. When it does, most of the time the enemy has moved away
It’s just too slow to be used in most practical situations
Well that is the dilemma with this charm, you need to manipulate the shield in most cases and since this IS a showcase on what this charm can and cannot deflect/absorb, there isn't always another way to do it. You need to keep in mind what the purpose of the video is, dodging out of the way won't show what the shield can do. If I showed up to a motorcycle showcase with a car, arguing that it was better because it had a roof then that is true, but it's not the intention of the showcase.
@@MadameRhapsody fair
Because of all the memes, I actually forgot this thing does one nail hit of dmg LMAO
I completely forgot that it's not affected by Nail Binding. I might do something with that.
dreamshield is what got me through crystal mound past all those laser crystal bugs
the main thing about Dreamshield is that it does passive damage, meaning as a noob, I can focus on dodging and healing while my damage output is mostly handling itself.
Why are there two splices at the start and in the middle of the mantis lord fight? 1:25 mantis lords
I cut out the parts where they didn't shoot the disks.
@@MadameRhapsody ahh fair understandable I respect it.
If dreamshield costed two charm notches (and maybe deflected attacks instead of completely negating them) it would honestly be really fun to use
Dreamshield allowed me to beat Nighmare Grimm as it did a decent chunk of damage while I wash dashing away from/through Grimm.
I mean, you're supposed to hit him but I spent a lot of time just surviving and the Dreamshield took care of the damage. XD
Honestly this thing saved my bacon on multiple occasions. It's not bad per say, but you do need to play around it and if used correctly it can extend your attack range by a decent amount. If I remember correctly the shield actually moves out slightly further for half a second when you swing your nail although you can't see it very well in this video. It also spins much faster and gets closer when your healing. It's fantastic for bosses that shoot a lot of projectiles or try to drop a bunch of crap on your head like Grim and False Knight. Yeah it's not going to block all attacks due to it's spin, but it will block enough and give you some breathing room. Any projectiles that hit it are projectiles you don't have to dodge.
Just avoid using it in Fog Canyon...that's a good way to accidently die by jelly fish I found out.
When I fought Grimm without the dash or the double jump (in a rando run), Dreamshield helped by "absorbing" the fire bats whenever it could.
When grinding for geo I’ve found that dreamshield and gathoering swarm together are really good, because dreamshield helps you deal damage more safely, but the geo tends to go everywhere, so I use gathering swarm to negate that
youre joking right
@@zarif1217 no. my geo grinding bbuild is wayward compass, dreamshield, grimmchild, and thorns of agony, plus sometimes like sprintmaster or steady body
@@Beanie26 you're a horrible troll
Dreamshield was a huge help in my first playthrough against watcher knights
I actually used it for P3* P4 and P5*.
*(swapped out for soul eater while facing uumuu, there, I can guarantee it will always be in the wrong spot)
I use ONLY Nail Arts, so, unlike many other players, I have plenty of notches to work with.
If I remember correctly, my build for pantheons was
- Nailmaster's glory, dreamshield, dream wielder, quick focus, unn and grubsong.
I think the point is not to expect it to do something, but to play normally and then watch it save you when you could not dodge.
That is what I was trying to do as much as possible in this video, it's hard though.
My favorite charm in the game. I don't use it much in endgame, but it served me so well while exploring Hollownest for the first time.
Idk what people are on about when hating on it, hitting things with it is soooooo satisfying. And it isn't supposed to block *everything* all the time, it's just a supplement.
I may be biased because I'm just a noob on his first playtrough, but I love the Dream shield. I don't know if it's sheer luck or I am secretly attuned to the shield, but it always happens to be exactly where I need it. Maybe it's because I don't play around it, but I let it play around me.
Good luck with the game!
The problem with dreamshield is most of the time you have to position yourself in the right place or wait for the dreamshield to move to the projectiles, and there are better options like shaman stone, quick focus, quick slash and mark of pride
The real experts know how to move so that dreamshield is always in the right spot.
I’m wondering how good Dreamshield would be if they gave it right stick control
Bozos: "dream shield is never in the right spot🤬🤬🤡🤡"
Madame: L+Ratio+no mind to think+ you're never in the right spot
do you think that it would be worth going quick focus and sometimes quickly focusing to make the shield reposition for an optimal combo vs bosses for example?
Something that I was wondering while watching this is if dreamshield would be good if it only faced directly behind you. That way it could be more useable and consistent than it is right now, but it would still require some skill to turn around to block stuff
Glad I'm not the only one who bows after a battle against the mantis lords lol
If the enemy bows to me then I bow back. Respect a worthy opponent.
@@MadameRhapsody Exactly how I feel lol
And that is the power of Dreamshield, never underestimate it
I didnt like Deam shield in my first game, but in the Coliseum of Fools i came to love it and now in my third game is one of my absolute favorites. With shadow dash if you use it correctly you have an acceptable alternative to Sharp Shadow.
It would be cool if the shield acted like Baldur Shell while healing if you have Dream Wielder equipped, and if you get hit in that state the shield breaks for like 10 seconds
The video makes some good points, but a few flaws I've noticed are:
- If the player has dreamshield, they've most likely already done everything up to most of deepnest and gotten to ancient basin from the right side of city of tears (Note: that's how I ended up getting to resting grounds in my first playthrough, so I could be biased in that regard)
- By that point they're probably competent enough to not really need dreamshield, especially for its high charm notch cost (considering the route listed above, dreamshield would be acquired about halfway through the game if the true ending is taken into consideration, and more than half if not)
- In the video, you're making a constant effort to block stuff with dreamshield, which I assume is to showcase what it can and can't block, but this also makes the charm seem more effective than it actually is since most players won't adjust their playstyle to specifically cater to blocking things with dreamshield
Edit: I still do think the video is a cool proof of concept, since no one really gives dreamshield a chance, but that doesn't change the fact that it has multiple fatal flaws that really add up to it not being all that great
The most common way I've seen is cloak, mantis claw, then city of tears/ crystal peak. I got it quite early, being only my 5th charm. I never used it tho lol
Agreed. You can actually get Dreamshield as one of your earliest charms, but it's rather tedious.
It may not be notch efficient, but boy is it fun to use.
you've inspired me to do a nail binding pantheon run with dreamshield
Good luck!
I tried steel soul once. I forgot I was running it, wanted to try to get a speedrun achievement, and died at difficult Crystal Peaks parkour.
The main problem honestly is the fact that it spins slowly around you and if you get too close to an enemy with it, it will hit them and lose its effectiveness for a short time. For me, that just makes it way too situational because it actually get effective use out of it, you still have to dodge most projectiles.
I do find it quite strong that the dreamshield ignores terrain, helpful in some areas
Can you image if it faced the direction you faced?
Rate my bizarre generalist build I used to beat P5 for the first time back in 2018 since I like trying out the more weird charms: Sprintmaster, Dashmaster, Steady Body, Sharp Shadow, Nailmaster's Glory, Dreamshield, Dream Wielder.
to be entirely honest I love the shield. It is really handy for getting annoying enemies that are armoured or hard to reach.
Not me taking notes as if I hadn't just completed 112% in 8 hours as a speedrun
I might consider starting to equip it for grimmkin instead of mark of pride tho
Congrats on getting Speed Completion!
@@MadameRhapsody I got all achievements several months ago, I've been doing steel soul speedruns since my first 100% one had perished :o)
That 112% 8h steel soul is alive and well tho, so mission accomplished!
At this point I have 300h ish of playtime and only the HOG left to beat on Radiant to have completed everything on my main save 😆
But why use a charm to keep you from getting hit when you have thorns
Thorns is on my list, I just need more good places to use it.
can we appreciate the fact that they bowed to the mantis lords?
dreamshield and carefree melody are unironically 2 of the most underrated charms in the game because people use them once, don't get anything out of them because they think they can just facetank with em, and then throw away
I IMMEDIATELY saw the value of dreamshield and only really took it off for traitor lord since dreamshield can't delete his blade throws
I still use this in pantheon runs and radiant fights because it's just that good
Oh interesting, I didn't test Traitor Lord but that is good to know.
@@MadameRhapsody I actually don't know WHY it's like that, seems stange to have this one boss in particular have an unblockable projectile when their whole moveset isn't projectiles
I get the dream bosses, they literally can't deal contact damage, if you could block their projectiles they'd be a joke.
But why traitor lord of all bosses?
"Dreamshield is Useless. It's never in the right spot!"
I used it in my playthrough for just about every boss as a way to passively attack the boss so i could focus on staying alive
dreamshield works much better if you think of it as a shrapnel of ur nail floating around than a shield .one of my favourite charms ever