Great idea for a video but it would have made a lot more sense to have used a men's 1x than a women's 2x - mainly for weight differences between boats/athletes
right? seems like rowers know nothing about power to weight ratios? two less powerful women and bigger boat against single male in lighter craft... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Actually it's the same - womens double sculls record is 6:37.3 and mens single is 6:30.7. A premium male athlete will go faster than a premium female athlete, and 2 athletes will go faster than one - both pretty much cancel each other out, so both times are within 1% of each other. As for why 2 athletes go faster: 2x weight and 2x power. 2x weight = 2x volume displacement = 1.4 (root of 2)x area displacement, hence double the power but only 1.4 times the drag. This is also why men go faster - as well as having a slightly higher power to weight ratio, they have higher weight limit (70kg compared to 57kg for women). Heavier rowers perform better on water due to disproportional displacement. Men go about 9% faster than women, and doubles go about 8% faster than singles - so you have a pretty fair test.
Assuming that you place two equally good athletes each in their specialty, the kayak will always be faster at the start and in a short race, but in a race of 500 meters or more the rower will always be the winner. Neither is better than the other, they are simply different sports.
@@vrex899 yes, rowing distributes the exertion over many more muscle groups than kayaking, so a certain power output can be sustained for much longer. the longer the distance is, the greater a rower's advantage will be over a kayaker. there's a reason many more people have rowed across seas and oceans than have kayaked across them :)
@@joevdb9232 both are whole body activities The only difference is rowing has two fixed points and kayak has one Making rowing easier, where kayaking racing techniques are an art as the paddler has to make the second fixed point
@@oiuslags I'm guessing you've probably never rowed in you're life by saying rowing is easier than kayaking. If rowing was easier than kayaking, why can you always rent a kayak at almost any body of water while you can't rent a rowing boat almost anywhere?
That is like the most rad boat storage place I have ever seen! I think what is so special about rowing is the teamwork and the effort to get multiple individuals to be in sync. Watching the German world record footage for 8x is just amazing.
That's a result I didn't expect! This prompted me to look at the record times for rowing, kayaking, and canoeing events. The standard length for a rowing event is 2000m. The closest length to that for kayaking and canoeing events is 1000m. In the following list, I doubled the times for the 1000m kayaking and canoeing events just for purposes of comparison. I wouldn't expect the same pace to be maintained for twice the distance. I could not find a record time for a woman's 1000m canoeing event. Men M1x 2000m Single Scull - Mahe Drysdale - 6m 33.35s Men K1 1000m Kayak - Max Hoff - 3m 22.485s x 2 = 6m 44.970s Men C1 1000m Canoe - Sebastian Brendel - 3m 44.578s x 2 = 7m 29.156s Women W1x 2000m Single Scull - Rumyana Neykova - 7m 7.71s Women K1 1000m Kayak - Teneale Hatton - 3m 48.560s x 2 = 7m 37.120s The kayaks are definitely faster than the canoes, and the sculls are definitely faster than the kayaks, but I didn't expect the time margins to be so narrow between the kayaks and the sculls given that the rowers are able to use the strength of their legs. Another interesting thing is that the kayaker in the video jumped to an immediate lead but didn't increase it by much for the remainder of the race. Perhaps the smaller mass of the kayak allows for a significant acceleration advantage.
Greg Vassilakos the kayaks would be slower if they had to race 2k instead of 1k so you can nearly say that it is bullshit to compare 1000m and 2000m times :)
DJmrk right, but the point is kayaks are slower. So if 2x1000 for kayaker is slower than a rower's 2000 then a kayaker's 2000 has to be slower than a rower's.
Kayakers do use their legs. If you pay attention to the way sprint kayakers paddle, the kayakers are driving their legs to shift their body left and right with each stroke, providing a driving force that increases the power of a stroke exponentially and also allowing a kayaker to more effectively use their core and back muscles. In fact, in an optimal kayak stroke the arms don't do much at all, they mostly maintain optimal paddle entry and placement for power application (of course, they also apply a lot of force movement wise, but not as much as most would think). It's mainly the back, core and leg muscles that do the work in a kayak stroke. And you're right - the kayaker in the video gained a lead very quickly. That's primarily down to the stroke rate - professional kayakers can put down up to 120-130 strokes per minute in sprint races. Although a kayak stroke by nature is less powerful than a rower's stroke, kayakers put down a LOT more strokes - in your average pro race, most kayakers average out at around 90-100 strokes per minute, while rowers average out at 50-60 strokes a minute at best. When you can put down nearly double the strokes, you're obviously going to get off the line faster.
Greg didn't say kayakers don't use their legs, he only referred to how much more power a rower gets from their legs. You only have to look at the athletes' physiologies to see that kayakers are upper body dominant and rowers are lower body dominant (when compared with each other). And I'm not sure how you row but I've never seen a boat average 50-60 strokes a minute. The fastest men's 8s in the world will get off the start in the high 40s and settle in the high 30s for the vast majority of the race.
The World Record for the K1 500m is 1:35. The World Best Time for the M1x is 6:30 for 2000m. Robbie Manson did 1:38.3 for the first 500m when he set this record and his average split was about 1:37.5. While rowers don't train specifically for 500m races, a world class 1x sculler needs to be able to do better than 1:35 for 500m. And the rate for a max 500 m piece should be in the 40-46spm range.
As a former rower who has transitioned into kayaking (which I personally prefer), I can say that the rowers should always win pretty much most distances (With the exception of maybe a 100m or 200m sprint where a kayaker's higher rating is favoured). Simple physics provides rowers with far more leverage than a kayaker (A couple of meters more), and rowing also engages a far larger range of muscle groups making it significantly more powerful. This video is really cool, but if athletes of similar fitness levels from each sport were used the rowers would consistently win. (Or you could just look at record times :D).
Worlds fastest kayaker (K1) 1000m: Max Hoff, 3:22 Worlds fastest rower (M1x) 2000m: Robert Manson, 6:31 (thats 3:15 for 1000m) So even though Robert Manson was aiming for 2km he still beat the best kayaker of the world. In a race over 1km he would be even faster than 3:15.
Achim , the thing is, the huge advantage from the leg muscles in rowing makes the comparison useless. I know how it is. Max Hoff's time is unbelievable.
But you have to look that the length of the boat is 8m, and the kayak is 5.20m, and that length brings it higher speed. And the length of the paddlle is also important, because it has a bigger lever in the rowworm and therefore has more power in the curse. its nice to see compare but these are two different sports 😉
Does anyone notice how it’s only 500m? That means the start at the beginning makes a huge difference? The shorter the distance the more the kayaker will win by, they have a much faster start than most rowers but over even a 1k I think the rowers will have a much better chance
Hello, a question to (probably slightly older?) rowers/coaches. I was able to buy a 40+ year-old wooden/varnished fine-shell single-scull (assembled weight 22kg) with original wooden macon blades (2.7kg each) very cheaply to save it from scrap. After tidying, I have been able to do some long-distance outings in it (for example 28km including self-carry over 2 locks in 3h10m). I wondered if anyone has any factual evidence as to how much slower than a brand-new carbon scull with the latest blades it might be if I wanted to do some half-serious competition in it - or should I hire a new boat?
(I know this comment is 5 years old but I don't know if you still need help) Average weight of a single scull is about 14kg and new Concept 2 scull oars are about 1.4 kg each. Meaning you would be pulling 10.6 kg less every stroke, and therefore you could row farther distances and accelerate the boat better while expending less energy. Plus assuming the oars are bucket blades, using hatchet shaped oars will make it significantly easier to move the boat. If you can afford it and are serious about competing you should probably look into buying a new scull and a new set of oars.
I really enjoy small boats. Designing, building, being on the water, it's all great to me. That said, the comments on this video make a lot of you sound like overbearing, over-competitive people. The sort of folks that won't be able to leave a comment like this alone...
What length is a single rowing Schull? The k1 kayaks are 5.2meters. Unless you match the craft length the test cannot be a direct comparison. These are displacement hulls so it matters.
A diferença maior está na passada. No Remo, por mais que você tem mais força no “stroak” pois usa tronco e perna, o ritmo é mais lento das pás entrando e saindo. No Caiaque você tem muito mais stroaks por minuto. Porém, se você aumentar a corrida pra 2.000 metros, muda tudo… pois um Remador consegue manter por mais tempo força. E o no caiaque a pessoa não consegue ter o mesmo ritmo e força por 2.000 metros. São esportes bem diferentes… é a mesma coisa que comparar snowboard e esqui em um slalom, em uma prova de salto, de velocidade, etx.
their recovery is way too fast for the obvious weakness of their strokes, I'd say they're giving half effort with little training in good rowing tempo.
There are many reasons why rowers are faster especially the length of the boat is one of the main reasons, kayakers dont have any change to win rower if doin 500m or longer distance
@@aaronhapponen2901 Kayaker had massive advantage over rower. Takes a lot more efforts to row vs to just move left and right your hands left and right with one double paddle than two single paddles. Ressistance for the rowers is bigger and will get tired and exhausted much more quickly. But i think pedal boat can go faster than kayaker. For longer distances. Like 21 km.
I was surprised. I expected the rowing scull to be faster. Then I read the other comments. Sounds like they pitted an athletic kayaker against a couple of recreational rowers. FWIW I paddle in an OC6 or an OC12. The purpose is to have fun, not to go fast. We go slow and I have a blast.
Men vs woman?? Not being sexist but there is a clear strength difference and weight difference. Men's single would have been better, but still a good video concept
Keegan Vannier there's a small difference from women to mens rowing, youd be surprised. That kayaker would still be in close contention to a men's scull though. Girls are not completely dead slow
Look at what time the olympic single sculls come through: 1'40s. They still have 1500m more to go. Even in veterans on 1000m at 40 years with 68 kg I was as fast.
Γιατί είναι καλύτερες, έχω πάει σε αγώνες και έχω βγει πρώτη και σε δικοπο και είμαι 13 (πίστεψε με στην ηλικία νου με δύναμη 1:50 στο εργομετρο το Χιλιάρι είναι καλός χρόνος)
The fact is that a kayak will most likely go faster than are shell due to the fact that kayaking is a continuous flow of forward momentum as to rowing being a stopping starting type of motion. This will be 9/10 the deciding factor in this kind of race.
That kayaker's paddling form was great, and the speed of the stokes was amazing. He definitely deserved to win. Although the two women were pretty amazing too.
Oh brother! Another one. We get the message, you don't think highly of rowers though they're probably the fittest athletes on earth. Keep cherry picking has-been rowers for your videos. Sorry you didn't make the college rowing team.
Interesting video, but kayaks and this type of row boat are made for totally different purposes. If you raced these two boats against each other in rapids, the results would be totally different.
Chill out. This is like Gibson vs Fender, Canon vs Nikon, Steak vs Lobster, Ginger vs Mary Ann... Just follow your own path and your own passion and smile at the A-B comparisons many people make to pass the time.
Great Video concept! Kayaks definitely move fast. But not quite a truly Versus video. It's comparing apples to oranges. Let's have a Men's 1x Single scull vs a Kayaker over 500m distance and a separate race over 2k distance. And let's have the athletes be similar in experience and weight class. Men vs Women is not a good comparison for these types of sports.
"Lets have a fair race with a K1 trying to out sprint a K2", said no one ever. Put a K2 kayak, with Hank Mcgregor and Andy Birkett together, and the 2 best rowers, the kayak will come out victorious.
Mathew Hollins K2 vs a double, the double should come out victorious, those rowers in the video looked so relaxed, it even looked like they had a stroke rating in the 20’s
There are so many unsaid variables in this race. Men vs. women, K1 vs 2 person sculling shell, level of fitness and competition level...? So IF this video is trying to state implicitly that kayakers are faster than rowing shells etc. I am afraid they fall short. Cool idea though.
I got the impression that the maker of the video is a rower, because the single kayaker was up against a 2 person rower. And at the end, he ranked rower as 2nd, not last, which is a little... It's cool, but I'm a racing kayaker myself, so this immediately seemed a little off!
Enticing title, and impressive athletes (even if they're amusingly mismatched)! But not really a very interesting video. How about several better-matched teams over several courses? Then there are the more interesting questions. For example, move beyond just straightline speed over a short course in a flat calm. How about some followups including 20-km open-water courses, wind, waves, etc? Compare the two for bringing some passengers or cargo quickly from a rocky beach out to a sailboat? I think it's a bit sad that many people have forgotten that once rowing and kayaking were both much more than just tame and useless sports done in carefully-controlled conditions, where at the mere whiff of real-world conditions or actual utility we weakly roll over and surrender to motorboats.
Sorry but I don't belive you: Female 4X 500m: 1.44 And they are very experienced. As stated below ergo times don't mean anything, I pull out a 1:30 at the ergo and I'm not even close to that in water
Claire Odd I am a Lightweight Junior sculler and my personal best over 500m is an 1:45 so this comparison doesn't say anything but those girls aren't the fastest
You're actually dumb. They were pulling a 34-36 for the whole piece. I don't know what your stroke rates are like, but the only situation where you should be above that is during your sprint, or starting sequence.
Hi friend, the time lap 1:50 for 500 mt is a very good time by k1. But not for the double! This boat it very speed, So I think that the two athletes... Weren't in good phisical condition.
For those of you listening to specialists with their BS, this video proves one thing for sure: May not matters much about techniques or how clean blades hit the water, or your shoulder position , etc. All BS, power and stroke rate is what matters. Kayak will win every time because the high stroke rate with similar power output.
From what little I know (real little) about displacement craft and waterline length the 2 place boat with the women rowers should have smoked the 1 person kayak, as excellent as he was.
from what i remember, single male sculler = women's four, which is slightly slower than a quad, which is faster than a double by a bigger margin. a battle of the sexes handicap at any rate. kayak most efficient boat, but a little slower than a scull in even competition.
The result could have been more even with man vs 1 man or woman vs 1 woman The strength would have been the same and perhaps the weight would make a difference
th-cam.com/video/IO08YNrhc2I/w-d-xo.html This seems to depict the differences better in this linked video. As a sculler, I believe they are faster than kayaks, and more physically demanding from the whole body. No disrespect to kayaker's, both boats have their own challenges, however I can only give sculler insight!
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Great idea for a video but it would have made a lot more sense to have used a men's 1x than a women's 2x - mainly for weight differences between boats/athletes
definitely
Yeah thats what i was thinking
right? seems like rowers know nothing about power to weight ratios? two less powerful women and bigger boat against single male in lighter craft... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Smatchimo the WR or WB is 7 seconds faster in the single compared to the women's double
Actually it's the same - womens double sculls record is 6:37.3 and mens single is 6:30.7. A premium male athlete will go faster than a premium female athlete, and 2 athletes will go faster than one - both pretty much cancel each other out, so both times are within 1% of each other.
As for why 2 athletes go faster: 2x weight and 2x power. 2x weight = 2x volume displacement = 1.4 (root of 2)x area displacement, hence double the power but only 1.4 times the drag. This is also why men go faster - as well as having a slightly higher power to weight ratio, they have higher weight limit (70kg compared to 57kg for women). Heavier rowers perform better on water due to disproportional displacement.
Men go about 9% faster than women, and doubles go about 8% faster than singles - so you have a pretty fair test.
Assuming that you place two equally good athletes each in their specialty, the kayak will always be faster at the start and in a short race, but in a race of 500 meters or more the rower will always be the winner. Neither is better than the other, they are simply different sports.
Even in a 30km marathon race?
@@vrex899 yes, rowing distributes the exertion over many more muscle groups than kayaking, so a certain power output can be sustained for much longer. the longer the distance is, the greater a rower's advantage will be over a kayaker.
there's a reason many more people have rowed across seas and oceans than have kayaked across them :)
@@joevdb9232 hmm yeah true...youre right
@@joevdb9232 both are whole body activities
The only difference is rowing has two fixed points and kayak has one
Making rowing easier, where kayaking racing techniques are an art as the paddler has to make the second fixed point
@@oiuslags I'm guessing you've probably never rowed in you're life by saying rowing is easier than kayaking. If rowing was easier than kayaking, why can you always rent a kayak at almost any body of water while you can't rent a rowing boat almost anywhere?
Why wasn't there a single men rower against the kayaker ? The video was cool, don't stop making videos ! =)
Need every factor is equal
That is like the most rad boat storage place I have ever seen! I think what is so special about rowing is the teamwork and the effort to get multiple individuals to be in sync. Watching the German world record footage for 8x is just amazing.
8+, not 8x, right?
so, I think all rowers will agree that the kayaker came in next to last.
I would like to see a straight up single against a single and keep it man vs man and woman vs woman
Rowing is love, rowing is life ❤
That's a result I didn't expect! This prompted me to look at the record times for rowing, kayaking, and canoeing events. The standard length for a rowing event is 2000m. The closest length to that for kayaking and canoeing events is 1000m. In the following list, I doubled the times for the 1000m kayaking and canoeing events just for purposes of comparison. I wouldn't expect the same pace to be maintained for twice the distance. I could not find a record time for a woman's 1000m canoeing event.
Men
M1x 2000m Single Scull - Mahe Drysdale - 6m 33.35s
Men K1 1000m Kayak - Max Hoff - 3m 22.485s x 2 = 6m 44.970s
Men C1 1000m Canoe - Sebastian Brendel - 3m 44.578s x 2 = 7m 29.156s
Women
W1x 2000m Single Scull - Rumyana Neykova - 7m 7.71s
Women K1 1000m Kayak - Teneale Hatton - 3m 48.560s x 2 = 7m 37.120s
The kayaks are definitely faster than the canoes, and the sculls are definitely faster than the kayaks, but I didn't expect the time margins to be so narrow between the kayaks and the sculls given that the rowers are able to use the strength of their legs.
Another interesting thing is that the kayaker in the video jumped to an immediate lead but didn't increase it by much for the remainder of the race. Perhaps the smaller mass of the kayak allows for a significant acceleration advantage.
Greg Vassilakos the kayaks would be slower if they had to race 2k instead of 1k so you can nearly say that it is bullshit to compare 1000m and 2000m times :)
DJmrk right, but the point is kayaks are slower. So if 2x1000 for kayaker is slower than a rower's 2000 then a kayaker's 2000 has to be slower than a rower's.
Greg Vassilakos that was an amazing and insightful comment. I'm glad people like you care enough to provide a realistic outcome to the public
Kayakers do use their legs. If you pay attention to the way sprint kayakers paddle, the kayakers are driving their legs to shift their body left and right with each stroke, providing a driving force that increases the power of a stroke exponentially and also allowing a kayaker to more effectively use their core and back muscles. In fact, in an optimal kayak stroke the arms don't do much at all, they mostly maintain optimal paddle entry and placement for power application (of course, they also apply a lot of force movement wise, but not as much as most would think). It's mainly the back, core and leg muscles that do the work in a kayak stroke.
And you're right - the kayaker in the video gained a lead very quickly. That's primarily down to the stroke rate - professional kayakers can put down up to 120-130 strokes per minute in sprint races. Although a kayak stroke by nature is less powerful than a rower's stroke, kayakers put down a LOT more strokes - in your average pro race, most kayakers average out at around 90-100 strokes per minute, while rowers average out at 50-60 strokes a minute at best. When you can put down nearly double the strokes, you're obviously going to get off the line faster.
Greg didn't say kayakers don't use their legs, he only referred to how much more power a rower gets from their legs. You only have to look at the athletes' physiologies to see that kayakers are upper body dominant and rowers are lower body dominant (when compared with each other).
And I'm not sure how you row but I've never seen a boat average 50-60 strokes a minute. The fastest men's 8s in the world will get off the start in the high 40s and settle in the high 30s for the vast majority of the race.
The World Record for the K1 500m is 1:35. The World Best Time for the M1x is 6:30 for 2000m. Robbie Manson did 1:38.3 for the first 500m when he set this record and his average split was about 1:37.5. While rowers don't train specifically for 500m races, a world class 1x sculler needs to be able to do better than 1:35 for 500m. And the rate for a max 500 m piece should be in the 40-46spm range.
1:51 over 500 meters is embarassing for a rower.
millard filmore Mine is 2:05 so that must that's a bit sad for me
Mines 2:10 sooo like......
my average is 1:45 and I'm 15 so..
different strokes for different folks
millard filmore fuckin garbage even 1:45 is trash for a double. Y'all need to check your life if you can't even bust 1:30's on a Sprint piece
As a former rower who has transitioned into kayaking (which I personally prefer), I can say that the rowers should always win pretty much most distances (With the exception of maybe a 100m or 200m sprint where a kayaker's higher rating is favoured). Simple physics provides rowers with far more leverage than a kayaker (A couple of meters more), and rowing also engages a far larger range of muscle groups making it significantly more powerful. This video is really cool, but if athletes of similar fitness levels from each sport were used the rowers would consistently win. (Or you could just look at record times :D).
Would that apply to one on one?
Worlds fastest kayaker (K1) 1000m: Max Hoff, 3:22
Worlds fastest rower (M1x) 2000m: Robert Manson, 6:31 (thats 3:15 for 1000m)
So even though Robert Manson was aiming for 2km he still beat the best kayaker of the world. In a race over 1km he would be even faster than 3:15.
Achim , the thing is, the huge advantage from the leg muscles in rowing makes the comparison useless. I know how it is. Max Hoff's time is unbelievable.
That's basically leg muscles vs arm muscles
Hein Htet kayak technique should barely engage your arms, the main muscles for power should be Lats, abs and hamstrings.
yea man!
But you have to look that the length of the boat is 8m, and the kayak is 5.20m, and that length brings it higher speed.
And the length of the paddlle is also important, because it has a bigger lever in the rowworm and therefore has more power in the curse.
its nice to see compare but these are two different sports 😉
Everyone should know the intention of all these videos are to insult the sport of rowing (despite the purposely misleading title).
Would be cool to see world class men's k1 vs a world's male rower. 1:49 is pretty slow for men's k1
great video though excellent cinematography and the data presented in the screen was great
Always looking forward to these
There also seem to be a headwind which seems to be lifting thr doubles' oars up in the air affecting them more
Does anyone notice how it’s only 500m? That means the start at the beginning makes a huge difference? The shorter the distance the more the kayaker will win by, they have a much faster start than most rowers but over even a 1k I think the rowers will have a much better chance
all i'm gonna say is that that standing shove for the double was cool
Gut gefilmt und einfach mal witzig dieses kleine Rennen "just for fun".
Gruß Tino
Why would the rowers rating be so low? 34 is my doubles 1500m rating.
because they're trash
Because they’re women
So cool!!! 👏 I love the scenes
Is the video made in Ottensheim ?
Hello, a question to (probably slightly older?) rowers/coaches. I was able to buy a 40+ year-old wooden/varnished fine-shell single-scull (assembled weight 22kg) with original wooden macon blades (2.7kg each) very cheaply to save it from scrap. After tidying, I have been able to do some long-distance outings in it (for example 28km including self-carry over 2 locks in 3h10m). I wondered if anyone has any factual evidence as to how much slower than a brand-new carbon scull with the latest blades it might be if I wanted to do some half-serious competition in it - or should I hire a new boat?
(I know this comment is 5 years old but I don't know if you still need help) Average weight of a single scull is about 14kg and new Concept 2 scull oars are about 1.4 kg each. Meaning you would be pulling 10.6 kg less every stroke, and therefore you could row farther distances and accelerate the boat better while expending less energy. Plus assuming the oars are bucket blades, using hatchet shaped oars will make it significantly easier to move the boat. If you can afford it and are serious about competing you should probably look into buying a new scull and a new set of oars.
Dude a 1:49 is slow. Put a men's single up against that kayaker and he wouldn't stand a chance.
If the men's single is any good
even better, kayaker vs 8+ male ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Prepare for the 30 seconds of diference
Mens single would have a virtually identical result dumbass, mens double would win.
Those are young girls of course they're not fast
I really enjoy small boats. Designing, building, being on the water, it's all great to me.
That said, the comments on this video make a lot of you sound like overbearing, over-competitive people.
The sort of folks that won't be able to leave a comment like this alone...
Gratuliere! .... da wird sogar das Wahlergebnis in Frankreich zur Nebensache,...
What length is a single rowing Schull? The k1 kayaks are 5.2meters. Unless you match the craft length the test cannot be a direct comparison. These are displacement hulls so it matters.
8,20 m for a skiff. Of course it is a lot less resistance.
Why is there so much hate towards kayakers in this comment section. Can't we just get along and enjoy our sports?
Yes ikr as a rower I love all water sports and all athletes...... Apart from those basketballers those damn basketballers
A diferença maior está na passada. No Remo, por mais que você tem mais força no “stroak” pois usa tronco e perna, o ritmo é mais lento das pás entrando e saindo. No Caiaque você tem muito mais stroaks por minuto. Porém, se você aumentar a corrida pra 2.000 metros, muda tudo… pois um Remador consegue manter por mais tempo força. E o no caiaque a pessoa não consegue ter o mesmo ritmo e força por 2.000 metros. São esportes bem diferentes… é a mesma coisa que comparar snowboard e esqui em um slalom, em uma prova de salto, de velocidade, etx.
I rowed a 1.5k a hell of a lot faster than this kayaker today. The rowers in the video are just bad…
their recovery is way too fast for the obvious weakness of their strokes, I'd say they're giving half effort with little training in good rowing tempo.
I've seen kayakers go a lot faster than the guy in the video, also there were 2 rowers to 1 kayaker
@@louisjacq706 2 bad rowers*
If youd put the experienced fast ones then kayak wouldnt stand a chance
There are many reasons why rowers are faster especially the length of the boat is one of the main reasons, kayakers dont have any change to win rower if doin 500m or longer distance
@@aaronhapponen2901
Kayaker had massive advantage over rower. Takes a lot more efforts to row vs to just move left and right your hands left and right with one double paddle than two single paddles. Ressistance for the rowers is bigger and will get tired and exhausted much more quickly. But i think pedal boat can go faster than kayaker. For longer distances. Like 21 km.
its great!
I’m quite a good level kayaker but I’ve just started rowing training and tbh rowing is so fkn fun
Ya because it is easy
@@alandewtie1616 this
I love rowing is the best water sport
That was Cool....
I was surprised. I expected the rowing scull to be faster. Then I read the other comments. Sounds like they pitted an athletic kayaker against a couple of recreational rowers. FWIW I paddle in an OC6 or an OC12. The purpose is to have fun, not to go fast. We go slow and I have a blast.
Sour grapes. Those women were fit trained athletes doing their utmost to win. Two men would have won. The real test is one on one, same gender.
Men vs woman?? Not being sexist but there is a clear strength difference and weight difference. Men's single would have been better, but still a good video concept
LOL I'm starting to not like these. The rowers lost here and the rower lost to the crossfitter last time! Still super epic though.
Its girls vs a male kayaker. No shit the rower lost.
Keegan Vannier there's a small difference from women to mens rowing, youd be surprised. That kayaker would still be in close contention to a men's scull though. Girls are not completely dead slow
@@cathallawlor989 6:40 for men 7:20 for women ... without beard !
Girls are beautiful!!!
I love rowing singles
Look at what time the olympic single sculls come through: 1'40s. They still have 1500m more to go. Even in veterans on 1000m at 40 years with 68 kg I was as fast.
Why girls?
Αντωνης Σκορδυλακης γεια
why not?
Γιατί είναι καλύτερες, έχω πάει σε αγώνες και έχω βγει πρώτη και σε δικοπο και είμαι 13 (πίστεψε με στην ηλικία νου με δύναμη 1:50 στο εργομετρο το Χιλιάρι είναι καλός χρόνος)
@@laurinhaaa6402 because men are proved to be stronger than woman and that's a fact
ʟᴀʟᴀ the rate was too slow and they pull slow
The fact is that a kayak will most likely go faster than are shell due to the fact that kayaking is a continuous flow of forward momentum as to rowing being a stopping starting type of motion. This will be 9/10 the deciding factor in this kind of race.
Fair enough to be honest but I think that a rowing shell has the potential if the right people are in it
That kayaker's paddling form was great, and the speed of the stokes was amazing. He definitely deserved to win. Although the two women were pretty amazing too.
A rower is suppossed to displace more water. How did they lose?
Oh brother! Another one. We get the message, you don't think highly of rowers though they're probably the fittest athletes on earth. Keep cherry picking has-been rowers for your videos. Sorry you didn't make the college rowing team.
David Aronovitch so true
ooft, yeah, he probably got some average rowers, 1:51 for 500m is just embarrassing
rower is faster then kayaker
WELL IT WASNT ON THIS VIDEO THAT IS FASTER THAT FOR SURE 2 VS 1 AND 1 WON!
Interesting video, but kayaks and this type of row boat are made for totally different purposes. If you raced these two boats against each other in rapids, the results would be totally different.
Oii eu tambem fasso canoagem e é muito legal
Chill out. This is like Gibson vs Fender, Canon vs Nikon, Steak vs Lobster, Ginger vs Mary Ann... Just follow your own path and your own passion and smile at the A-B comparisons many people make to pass the time.
Very simple: unexpected result because it's men vs women. One man beat two women who had all the advantages (except manhood)
women’s 2x pulling a 1:50 split i don’t think they’re the best
Las canoas mandan
Great Video concept! Kayaks definitely move fast. But not quite a truly Versus video. It's comparing apples to oranges. Let's have a Men's 1x Single scull vs a Kayaker over 500m distance and a separate race over 2k distance. And let's have the athletes be similar in experience and weight class. Men vs Women is not a good comparison for these types of sports.
If only you could surf a rowboat like a surf kayak :)
Have you seen coastal rowing? Check it out on TH-cam
they we're rating 34 for the entire race, thats a training row honestly
Wow.. wouldn't expect the kayaker can win... The girls must be rowing pretty relaxed or had a tough night :)
No they just suck
Yeah, but who would win a fist fight ...a womble or a telly tubby.
1:51 for a double is very slow. Those girls were having a light paddle...
Why not a single rower ?
"Lets have a fair race with a K1 trying to out sprint a K2", said no one ever. Put a K2 kayak, with Hank Mcgregor and Andy Birkett together, and the 2 best rowers, the kayak will come out victorious.
Mathew Hollins K2 vs a double, the double should come out victorious, those rowers in the video looked so relaxed, it even looked like they had a stroke rating in the 20’s
There are so many unsaid variables in this race. Men vs. women, K1 vs 2 person sculling shell, level of fitness and competition level...? So IF this video is trying to state implicitly that kayakers are faster than rowing shells etc. I am afraid they fall short. Cool idea though.
Is it just me or does it seem those girls are rushing the slide?
I got the impression that the maker of the video is a rower, because the single kayaker was up against a 2 person rower. And at the end, he ranked rower as 2nd, not last, which is a little... It's cool, but I'm a racing kayaker myself, so this immediately seemed a little off!
bitte mehr rower vs... videos die sind extrem cool😃
Can try rowing boy 1x ..🙄🙄🙄
a double men sculls can easily pull below 1:30
Enticing title, and impressive athletes (even if they're amusingly mismatched)! But not really a very interesting video. How about several better-matched teams over several courses?
Then there are the more interesting questions. For example, move beyond just straightline speed over a short course in a flat calm. How about some followups including 20-km open-water courses, wind, waves, etc? Compare the two for bringing some passengers or cargo quickly from a rocky beach out to a sailboat? I think it's a bit sad that many people have forgotten that once rowing and kayaking were both much more than just tame and useless sports done in carefully-controlled conditions, where at the mere whiff of real-world conditions or actual utility we weakly roll over and surrender to motorboats.
Cant ignore the fact that its male vs female mens doubles wouldve won that race
Those girls' rate was WAY too low. I'm a novice rower and my 500m is way better than a 1:50 and these seem to be rowers much more experienced than me.
Claire Odd yeah maybe on the ergs but erg times don't mean anything when you're on water
Sorry but I don't belive you: Female 4X 500m: 1.44 And they are very experienced.
As stated below ergo times don't mean anything, I pull out a 1:30 at the ergo and I'm not even close to that in water
Claire Odd I am a Lightweight Junior sculler and my personal best over 500m is an 1:45 so this comparison doesn't say anything but those girls aren't the fastest
You're actually dumb. They were pulling a 34-36 for the whole piece. I don't know what your stroke rates are like, but the only situation where you should be above that is during your sprint, or starting sequence.
Claire Odd when I row 500m my stroke rate is on the start at 42, then 38 and that's what I am bringing to the finish line. would be more in a double
Hi friend, the time lap 1:50 for 500 mt is a very good time by k1. But not for the double! This boat it very speed, So I think that the two athletes... Weren't in good phisical condition.
They were going at a 1:51 split for 500 metres - really?!
For those of you listening to specialists with their BS, this video proves one thing for sure: May not matters much about techniques or how clean blades hit the water, or your shoulder position , etc. All BS, power and stroke rate is what matters. Kayak will win every time because the high stroke rate with similar power output.
From what little I know (real little) about displacement craft and waterline length the 2 place boat with the women rowers should have smoked the 1 person kayak, as excellent as he was.
what with only 35 SPM for 500m? Especially in a double and such a short race they should at least be at 40
i prefer kayak is a winner what speed it is
2000 is way more usual for rowing and than the rower clearly wins seeing that the kayak slows down during the race
the men is not so fast 😅
1:49?
Die ruderer waren aber such bet wirklich schnell
Would have liked to see men rowing for a fair comparison.
If it was a heavy weight men’s boat then the kayak wouldn’t even be able to see them
where i s your 6:20 2k no rower can beat a kayaker by 400m
the rowin boat is not tippy at all :(
The only reason that the girls didn’t win is bc they checked the boat on almost every stroke otherwise they would’ve dusted the kayak
Why is it never 1 vs 1
I have been rowing for six years and I cannot believe that rowing is inferior to passion. I alone go as much as 1:40 !!! So passion is very slow
from what i remember, single male sculler = women's four, which is slightly slower than a quad, which is faster than a double by a bigger margin. a battle of the sexes handicap at any rate. kayak most efficient boat, but a little slower than a scull in even competition.
Haha something you messed up a kayaker can not beat an acadammy boat camels to be a pair of cheekbones and to such a distance
The result could have been more even with man vs 1 man or woman vs 1 woman The strength would have been the same and perhaps the weight would make a difference
considering its 2 v 1 and he's having to work twice as hard, that kayaking speed is impressive. man power!
Dude ... a male rower would be way faster
It so fun....1 kaykar vs 2 gilrs skull...Why not run 1 man skull vs Kaykar or 2 man razpashno Rower vs 2 Kaykars.500m is a kaykayrs discipline....
At least do it with 2 rowers who don't sky at the catch
The jet ski was frist
The best Portuguese time of 15 year Olds was 1:38 in skiff so I think this isn't very accurate.
I am kayaking student
The rowers we're at a 35, they could have been at a 38 with more power...
th-cam.com/video/IO08YNrhc2I/w-d-xo.html
This seems to depict the differences better in this linked video. As a sculler, I believe they are faster than kayaks, and more physically demanding from the whole body. No disrespect to kayaker's, both boats have their own challenges, however I can only give sculler insight!
Only time I've ever seen two girls lose to one guy.
haha
35 spm , come on
Actually that's not bad for females. I just won the British rowing junior championships at my boys were sitting at 40 spm off the start
Put two alphas instead of betas in the row boat and show the results.
Мля я на байдарке в 16 за 1:50 прошёл)такчт академисты молчите мужик тоже не айс был