Fun fact: the reason there were indonesians in Carambeí is because most of settlers who came to Paraná were from Dutch Indonesia and arrived shortly after Netherlands lost Indonesia. If you go to that same restaurant in Carambeí on weekends you can even find some traditional indonesian dishes. Also, Batavo and Frisia are huge dairy companies in Brazil, so most of the descendents of the dutch settlers are now filthy rich. If you wanna check out other colonies near by go to Witmarsum in Palmeira, it's menonite russian/volga german colony. They speak a dialect of german that is very similar to dutch actually and the museum there has an excelent guide. Food is great too, although it's more turisty and less authentic.
Oh that about settlers coming from the Dutch indies is super interesting. I never heard that from anyone when I was there. Where did you hear that? And I’ve heard of Witmarsum it didn’t seem very authentic and was still a long ride from Curitiba. If I’m not confusing things.
@LewisWirth I actually found out about the indonesian dutch settlers thing when I went to Carambeí, but that's something they don't advertise much. Furthermore, I think only a fraction of the settlers came from Indonesia, while most of them came straight from Netherlands, and also, there weren't any (as far as I know) etnic indonesians in the colony. About Witmarsum, you are right, they don't seem very authentic. However, they probably are the colony that most preserved their culture and language. If you found a local they would most likely speak the dialect and follow the menonite religion. Also, it's not at all far away from Curitiba, it's actually closer than Carambeí and Castrolanda. Witmarsum is about 1 hour away from Curitiba and, while in that region, you could also have checked out the Parks Villa Velha and Buraco do Padre which are beautiful. One more thing, in the Ponta Grossa/Palmeira region there are other 2 cool colonies you could have check out: Colonia Cecilia, which was a failed italian anarchist colony (it's a pretty cool history, look it up), and Colonia Santa Cruz, which is a russina colony of Old Believers (ultra conservative orthodox christians) that came from China to scape the communist revolution. However, I must add that there isn't much to see in these two colonies.
@@sem_identitificador Ohh if they were as mall percentage that explains it but still interesting. though in the little historical village it said on a sign that there were Indonesian immigrants. Right Mennonites tend to preserve their culture a lot but it's more of a thing on it's own there are a lot of them in the USA too and many other countries and they're not the average German because of their strong religion and aversion to technology and other particularities. I actually did visit Buraco do Padre still not sure if I want to upload that. I was thinking to maybe put it on something like a patreon when have that set up. Oh deam Colonia Cecilia sounds interesting. Too bad I'm not in Brazil anymore but maybe on another trip. I'm going to Asia this yeah wish people would give me this much advice for east Asia 😂😂 I couldn't find Colonia Santa Cruz there are several cities with the name Santa Cruz though in different states
@@kaiokalwiroliveira6771meu marido eh sueco e ama o Brasil tb…Acredite, BRASIL eh bom demais!!! Morei em 5 paises e acho que unico que talvez se compare seja a Espanha. Brasileiros nao sabem o valor que o Brasil tem em termos culturais, clima e pessoas…. Corrupcao acaba com o pais, mas mesmo assim, compensa viver ai se vc for classe media ou mais privilegiado…Se for muito pobre, dai melhor Suecia, mesmo com toda a escuridao, obvio. Nao pense que na Suecia todos sao ricos…a sociedade eh no geral mais justa, mas ZERO luxo, ZERO mordomias, vida simples talvez como deveria ser para todos, MAS uma escuridao INSUPORTAVEL….suecos sao legais como pessoas, reservados, mas legais e honestos e gostam dos brasileiros pela nossa alegria e jeito descolado…Em resumo, tudo tem pros e contras, mas se vc for classe media no Brasil, sua vida sera melhor do que como classe media na Suecia, na nossa opiniao…provamos os dois e chegamos a mesma conclusao… a vida eh mais divertida no Brasil
Hey, you have to visit the city of Santa Maria do Jetibá, the majority of the population speaks German, a German colony in the state of Espírito Santo.
There are many other colonies in brazil of many different european countries, like Nova Petrópolis (German), Garibaldi (Italian), Antônio Prado (also Italian) and the ones I mentioned are in the state of Rio Grande do Sul, there are many more in other states!
A fact that few Brazilians know is that a large part of Brazilians are descendants of the Dutch. In my case, I discovered that I am a descendant of a man from Doesburg named Gerhard Bentinck, who came to Brazil during the Dutch occupation, and another named Willem van der Haegen. My neighbor is Dutch, from The Hague, and she keeps a butterfly frame.
@@Ziemartin oh nice. Yeah Dutch people are a part of Brazils history I wouldn’t say that it’s a big size in numbers but some people leave bigger impacts then others and the Netherlands has some things that are noticeable like companies that make products that many Brazilians use that were started by Dutch people just like the Germans that started the Tirol dairy company
@@caio5987 its more than many people think, even though a large part of this history is Lost, as the dutch occupied a large part of the northeast during decades and a Lot of settlers came, even when Portugal took the land back, many decide to stay, as their entire life was there, with family and such, the name Vanderlei became Very Common in Brazil, but It came from a dutch settler named Kaspar von Neuhoff van der Ley.
Very interesting places, I only knew about Holambra beforehand, but knew there were other cities "colonized" by the dutch. This is old footage and you aren't in Brazil anymore, right? When you come back, please visit Petrópolis and Nova Friburgo in Rio de Janeiro. Very nice historical places you might enjoy
True this was in the very beginning of my trip. Also I actually learned about carambei from a guy I met in Holambra. The Dutch guy that appears in that video. If the financial situation improves and I end up coming back to Brazil I might start in Rio to visit those cities, then go to Espírito Santo and then perhaps further north to see the sand dunes for example. But first I have a lot of other things planned I want to mix it up a little this year I plan to go to Asia
Hey Lewis, You should make a video of some city’s Kerbfest (Traditional german festivity that marks the founding of the first church in a locality) if you have the opportunity, it is more common in the north of Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina and there is at least one going on in every month. Just go to the more traditional ones, because some have just become an excuse for drinking and have lost the traditional part. You can look it up on the internet where and the date they happen in each municipality.
Bom dia. "Carambehy" era como se escravia antigamente no Brasil. Outra curiosidade: o português brasileiro, de tempos em tempos, vem mudando ao ponto de alguns linguístas já o considerem um subgrupo linguístico do português lusitano. Esse lugar aí é o Parque Histórico de Carambeí onde é retratada as primeiras construções dos imigrantes holandeses e dos indonésios trazidos por eles para esse local. Aquele prédio onde tem escrito "Carambehy" é uma réplica da estação de trem daquela época. Abraços e bom passeio.
@LewisWirth Não tem a ver com escravidão, acho que ele quis dizer "escrevia" e não "escravia" (essa palavra não existe). Esse h era como se escrevia o português no século XIX. Exemplos: Parahyba, Piauhy, Bahia, prohibido, ahi
I didn’t know you were dutch! because I saw you speaking also german, english and portuguese correctly 😅 I’m brazilian and I also speak german, english but instead of dutch I can only speak swedish 😅
Oh but it’s interesting you speak Swedish on top of those other languages 😂 I also made another video in a Dutch city called Holambra. One of my first videos in Brazil
6:35 Nossa, aqui realmente parece a Holanda... Uma curiosidade é que um dos deputados federais que atualmente é um dos mais atuante no Brasil é descendente de holandeses: Marcel Van Hattem.
How lovely! I didn't know Paraná state had two cities of the Dutch diaspora. Frisian and Twents are my favorite minority languages of the Netherlands and of course I also like Dutch. In fact, when I studied German for a few years in my adolescence (and later for two years at the University), I did it because German was the closest language to Dutch I could get to learn back then (in the 70's and early eighties it was hard to find material teaching Dutch here)😇 Dankje wel for one more interesting video. I always give the thumbs-up and share, by the way.
I’m still confused that people are calling Twents a language I’ve never heard that in the Netherlands only as a dialect. I’m really glad you like my videos. Also thanks for liking and sharing and commenting all of those help a lot 🙏🏻
@LewisWirth It's a legitimate regional language!😊 You probably know all that but forgive me to state the obvious cause, as a cultural activist, I try to take every chance to make these minority languages more known and sometimes people get to read these comments and get interested in them too. As it derives from Low Saxon, it's one of the Low Saxon dialects of the Netherlands (Nederlaands Nedersaksies), the other ones are mostly speaken in Germany, where most people call them Platt Deutsch, a term I grew adverse to as it often gives the wrong idea that these regional languages stem from Hoch Deutsch, which is obviously false, reinforcing old stereotypes against these beautiful languages. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Low_Saxon#:~:text=Dutch%20Low%20Saxon%20(Nederlaands%20Leegsaksies,written%20with%20local%2C%20unstandardised%20orthographies Also: "Its revaluation as a dialect of Low Saxon rather than Standard Dutch is a relatively recent development. Due to ongoing stigmatisation, the use of the language declined in the decades following the Second World War. It was considered an inappropriate way of speaking, and thought to hinder children's language learning abilities and diminish their future prospects. Due to a general rise in regional pride, interests in preserving and promoting the language have risen, resulting in dialect writing competitions, teaching materials, festivals, and other culturally engaging projects." "... As a dialect of Low Saxon, Tweants belongs to the Indo-European language family, belonging to the West-Germanic group of Germanic languages. It is a direct descendant from Old Saxon, and as such, it is closely related to English and Frisian. ..." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweants_dialect I tried to find other sources in English but couldn't find it but I guess the bibliography in these articles are reliable enough. I wish I knew Dutch enough to quote from some academic texts but unfortunately my knowledge of the language is at toddler's level🙂 I always give the due thumbs-up and share the videos! 🎄
@ alright though the distinction between languages and dialects will always be a more political one then an objective difference. I do know about Seeltersk in Germany which is basically Saterland Frisian though a depressingly small area that has any Frisian left over there. I’m not sure which German dialects or whatever you mean. One problem with Germany is how diverse its la no have is in its dialects because if Swiss German is considered a German dialect then it’s hard to call a dialect closer to high German a separate language
@LewisWirth I'm just stating something most scholars seem to agree about, believe me, I'm not into creating polemics: most scholars state that Platt dialects did not stem from High German and neither did the Dutch Low Saxon dialects did stem from mainstream Dutch as variants of this standard language, although in their case, both Dutch and the latter have indeed stemmed from Old Low Saxon. It's a matter of historical linguistics in both these case, how these languages developed, it has nothing to do with politics as in the fight about Bornholmsk being a Danish or a Skanian dialect for instance, I respect both interpretations but I prefer to regard Bornholmsk the latter, i.e. a Skanian dialect but this wouldn't be a serious mistake as regarding Platt languages a dialect of High German, as Platt dialects stem from Low Saxon and not High German, this is a consensus among most serious scholars. It would be tantamount to saying the regional romance dialects of France like Gallo developed out of the Parisian dialect, which would be a serious mistake in terms of historical linguistics and the developments of these languages, they evolved independentely and regionally from the olde dialects spoken in their own regions though in the case of romance dialects, they evolved out of the vulgar latin spoken in each region of France but totally independent of the Parisian dialect which became later the standardized form of the language we now call French. British scholars still assume Northumbrian, Cumbrian and Goergie are dialects of English, and that the texts in Old Northumbrian are variants of Anglo-Saxon but I prefer to regard them as the true language of the Angles, as anyone can clearly see it's a completely different language from the Old Saxon of the British Isles if we compare the texts. This is indeed a case one can argue that politics play the major role in defining what is a language or a dialect as they insist in calling a different, independent language, the Old Northumbrian, which is the language of the Angles in my opinion, as a mere dialect of Anglo-Saxon but we don't have enough documents to settle this discussion, unlike in the case of Old Low Saxon, in which most historical linguists seem to agree about.
The Landscape is much better than in the US. All kinds of traditions can be kept in a really good condition. The weather is more gentle. It’s really nice to see little old Dutch, German towns in Brazil. Big cities, blocks and Autobahns are just soo boring to look at it. People are more likely to talk about how to improve living standards, new technology but rarely think about how to preserve old traditions. Old traditions don’t necessarily mean slums. It’s rich in cultures and heritages, European heritages and cultures, things may disappear in the coming decades due to modernisation. A kind of make-over and standardised just like fast fashion, low quality clothing and being swept away so quickly. The cost of environment and natural resources are HUGE! Externalities are too high.
I think you’re getting a few assumptions wrong about Brazil though other things I agree with. First of all Brazil is very car dependent outside of major cities. They do have great bus services but not much aside from that. I have visited many small towns that were a pain to visit with public transport and others that were outright impossible to visit using public transportation. During the military dictatorship when Brazil joined world war 2 they made it illegal to speak German Italian Japanese Dutch and so. On this was a very hard time for these communities and really reduced the amount of speakers of the languages. Now there days a lot of communities have kinds of revivals of their language and culture some communities have been providing from tourism for a long time other communities have cultural organizations and are trying to get tourism to their city like Registro for example which is a Japanese city between São Paulo and Curitiba. I do believe that there’s a place for both big metropolises and these nice small little cities that have different cultures. I personally prefer the latter I grew up in the countryside myself. But I’m glad you found my videos and that you like them. I hope you can find other videos of mine that you’ll also enjoy
Now I see my mistake. Castrolanda comes from Castro, I have been saying it wrong this whole time. Thank you very much for correcting me it helps a lot. I may be dyslectic but I'm also a perfectionist
Que massa cara, queria saber também sobre minha origem aqui em Pernambuco temos alguns sobrenomes de origem holandesa e alguns que forem perdidos ou “aportuguesados”
@@Leo7s1822 it could be. But here whenever you see green eyed or blue eyed people in the capital Recife or the interior of the state it could be because of ancient dutch heritage, some people are just heavily mixed so it’s a melting pot
I filmed this very much towards the beginning of my trip but hadn’t gotten to finish editing it. So the footage was a bit more of a mess. I did the best I could when editing it. The guy I talked to at the end I tried to turn the camera on there but it was already recording so that turned it off and I only have that part (a few seconds more but that wasn’t usable) the lady in the start it was more that there were “long” portions where there was silence or redundant bits saying the same stuff it’s mainly to speed up the video and keep it more engaging.
Uma pena que tu não foi no "Zeskamp" que acontece sempre no mês de julho que é a Olimpíada Intercolonial das Comunidades Holandesas, um evento esportivo de interação entre as seis principais colônias de imigração holandesa no Brasil que são Holambra e Campos de Holambra em São Paulo, Castrolanda, Carambeí e Arapoti no Paraná e Não-me-Toque no Rio Grande do Sul. Esses videos mostram como é. th-cam.com/video/UDRwxZWi9aE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/8tvR11VSRxk/w-d-xo.html
Hahahaha the silly Dutch music in the video. It’s either a kids song or carnaval song I think that one is a children’s song. I didn’t know about that. Also I was in Santiago Chile in July. But thanks for the info I found it very interesting
Sadly, the ironic tone in some parts of the video is arrogant and not very respectful. The lady at the reception desk was clearly holding back because she knew her Dutch isn't good and probably other arrogant tourists were sarcastic against her because of that, and even shamed her on the Internet. But she's a humble person, who probably doesn't have the resources to study more, doing the best she can at her position. And stating things like "that's just a bunch of random stuff" ignores the fact that Castro is a big Japanese colony that was very close to Castrolanda. Obviously there would be some cultural exchange between the neighbors, and the Dutch would be keen to purchase Japanese ornaments. While this is a Dutch colony, it wasn't an isolated island, so don't expect it to be identical to the Netherlands.
You're overreacting a little bit. Her Dutch is intermediate which is quite good for a Brazilian the fact that she still speaks it at all is impressive. This video is of old footage that wasn't filmed very well mainly cause I didn't have much experience talking to the camera. I doubt the lady had experiences with "arrogant tourists that were sarcastic against her" I found it uprising that she spoke Dutch and quite self evident that it wasn't native level, sad you interpreted it as such. Also where did you get that Castro is a Japanese colony, I was told by a Dutch descendant in Holambra about castro as I only knew about Gastrolanda and he called both Dutch colonies, he also named Arapoti. I've visited several Japanese colonies, didn't notice anything Japanese in Castro. after saying "that's just a bunch of random stuff" I learned that that house represented the different immigrant groups to Castro aside from the Dutch. It said that they were mainly Indonesian polish German Italian and Portuguese. Thanks for watching my video
@@kami6796 Kerel. But I’ve thought about it and I think it might also just be a bit of a cultural misunderstanding. Dutch directness is regularly misinterpreted as being mean by foreigners. 🤔
Não sei o porquê desse suposto interesse repentino desses serviços de inteligência e propaganda da Europa no Brasil agora. O país que tanto humilharam. Só porque estamos indo para os BRICS e deixando de ser colônia que nem os países do Sahel.
Não tenho certeza. É a primeira vez que sou acusado de ser algum tipo de espião ou algo estúpido assim. Porque vejo isso como uma vitória. Gostaria de ganhar esse tipo de dinheiro, mas seria legal.
@ yeah but it’s funny I’ve seen many people that I watch myself say there’s people telling them they’re cia or whatever so I see it as a nice milestone 😂
Fun fact: the reason there were indonesians in Carambeí is because most of settlers who came to Paraná were from Dutch Indonesia and arrived shortly after Netherlands lost Indonesia. If you go to that same restaurant in Carambeí on weekends you can even find some traditional indonesian dishes.
Also, Batavo and Frisia are huge dairy companies in Brazil, so most of the descendents of the dutch settlers are now filthy rich.
If you wanna check out other colonies near by go to Witmarsum in Palmeira, it's menonite russian/volga german colony. They speak a dialect of german that is very similar to dutch actually and the museum there has an excelent guide. Food is great too, although it's more turisty and less authentic.
Oh that about settlers coming from the Dutch indies is super interesting. I never heard that from anyone when I was there. Where did you hear that? And I’ve heard of Witmarsum it didn’t seem very authentic and was still a long ride from Curitiba. If I’m not confusing things.
@LewisWirth I actually found out about the indonesian dutch settlers thing when I went to Carambeí, but that's something they don't advertise much. Furthermore, I think only a fraction of the settlers came from Indonesia, while most of them came straight from Netherlands, and also, there weren't any (as far as I know) etnic indonesians in the colony.
About Witmarsum, you are right, they don't seem very authentic. However, they probably are the colony that most preserved their culture and language. If you found a local they would most likely speak the dialect and follow the menonite religion. Also, it's not at all far away from Curitiba, it's actually closer than Carambeí and Castrolanda. Witmarsum is about 1 hour away from Curitiba and, while in that region, you could also have checked out the Parks Villa Velha and Buraco do Padre which are beautiful.
One more thing, in the Ponta Grossa/Palmeira region there are other 2 cool colonies you could have check out: Colonia Cecilia, which was a failed italian anarchist colony (it's a pretty cool history, look it up), and Colonia Santa Cruz, which is a russina colony of Old Believers (ultra conservative orthodox christians) that came from China to scape the communist revolution. However, I must add that there isn't much to see in these two colonies.
@@sem_identitificador Ohh if they were as mall percentage that explains it but still interesting. though in the little historical village it said on a sign that there were Indonesian immigrants.
Right Mennonites tend to preserve their culture a lot but it's more of a thing on it's own there are a lot of them in the USA too and many other countries and they're not the average German because of their strong religion and aversion to technology and other particularities.
I actually did visit Buraco do Padre still not sure if I want to upload that.
I was thinking to maybe put it on something like a patreon when have that set up.
Oh deam Colonia Cecilia sounds interesting.
Too bad I'm not in Brazil anymore but maybe on another trip.
I'm going to Asia this yeah wish people would give me this much advice for east Asia 😂😂
I couldn't find Colonia Santa Cruz there are several cities with the name Santa Cruz though in different states
Love these videos man! As a swede in sao paulo I love to see all of these european cultures around here
I'm glad to hear that
O que um sueco vem fazer no Brasil? É uma pergunta genuína, desculpe se parecer indelicado, é que geralmente somos nós quem vamos para a Europa :>
@@kaiokalwiroliveira6771meu marido eh sueco e ama o Brasil tb…Acredite, BRASIL eh bom demais!!! Morei em 5 paises e acho que unico que talvez se compare seja a Espanha. Brasileiros nao sabem o valor que o Brasil tem em termos culturais, clima e pessoas…. Corrupcao acaba com o pais, mas mesmo assim, compensa viver ai se vc for classe media ou mais privilegiado…Se for muito pobre, dai melhor Suecia, mesmo com toda a escuridao, obvio. Nao pense que na Suecia todos sao ricos…a sociedade eh no geral mais justa, mas ZERO luxo, ZERO mordomias, vida simples talvez como deveria ser para todos, MAS uma escuridao INSUPORTAVEL….suecos sao legais como pessoas, reservados, mas legais e honestos e gostam dos brasileiros pela nossa alegria e jeito descolado…Em resumo, tudo tem pros e contras, mas se vc for classe media no Brasil, sua vida sera melhor do que como classe media na Suecia, na nossa opiniao…provamos os dois e chegamos a mesma conclusao… a vida eh mais divertida no Brasil
Hey, you have to visit the city of Santa Maria do Jetibá, the majority of the population speaks German, a German colony in the state of Espírito Santo.
I didn't know these places, but wow, they are very beautiful and organized
I'm glad to be able to show them to you and hope I can visit many more such interesting places in the future in other countries as well.
Hey man, if you are in Parana yet, come to Campo Largo .Here we have a park called Ouro fino which is very nice park.
There are many other colonies in brazil of many different european countries, like Nova Petrópolis (German), Garibaldi (Italian), Antônio Prado (also Italian) and the ones I mentioned are in the state of Rio Grande do Sul, there are many more in other states!
🤫🤫I’m editing the Italian video right now.
Wow amazing.
Thanks a lot, I'm glad you enjoyed it
A fact that few Brazilians know is that a large part of Brazilians are descendants of the Dutch. In my case, I discovered that I am a descendant of a man from Doesburg named Gerhard Bentinck, who came to Brazil during the Dutch occupation, and another named Willem van der Haegen. My neighbor is Dutch, from The Hague, and she keeps a butterfly frame.
“A large part” is a bit of an overstatement
@@Ziemartin oh nice. Yeah Dutch people are a part of Brazils history I wouldn’t say that it’s a big size in numbers but some people leave bigger impacts then others and the Netherlands has some things that are noticeable like companies that make products that many Brazilians use that were started by Dutch people just like the Germans that started the Tirol dairy company
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They were there 12 years not much of an impact
@@caio5987 its more than many people think, even though a large part of this history is Lost, as the dutch occupied a large part of the northeast during decades and a Lot of settlers came, even when Portugal took the land back, many decide to stay, as their entire life was there, with family and such, the name Vanderlei became Very Common in Brazil, but It came from a dutch settler named Kaspar von Neuhoff van der Ley.
Very interesting places, I only knew about Holambra beforehand, but knew there were other cities "colonized" by the dutch.
This is old footage and you aren't in Brazil anymore, right? When you come back, please visit Petrópolis and Nova Friburgo in Rio de Janeiro. Very nice historical places you might enjoy
True this was in the very beginning of my trip. Also I actually learned about carambei from a guy I met in Holambra. The Dutch guy that appears in that video. If the financial situation improves and I end up coming back to Brazil I might start in Rio to visit those cities, then go to Espírito Santo and then perhaps further north to see the sand dunes for example. But first I have a lot of other things planned I want to mix it up a little this year I plan to go to Asia
@LewisWirthNice, good luck with your plans man
@ thanks 🙏🏻
Hey Lewis,
You should make a video of some city’s Kerbfest (Traditional german festivity that marks the founding of the first church in a locality) if you have the opportunity, it is more common in the north of Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina and there is at least one going on in every month. Just go to the more traditional ones, because some have just become an excuse for drinking and have lost the traditional part. You can look it up on the internet where and the date they happen in each municipality.
Interesting, is this like the Pomeren fest that the guy in Pomerode was talking about?
Bom dia. "Carambehy" era como se escravia antigamente no Brasil. Outra curiosidade: o português brasileiro, de tempos em tempos, vem mudando ao ponto de alguns linguístas já o considerem um subgrupo linguístico do português lusitano.
Esse lugar aí é o Parque Histórico de Carambeí onde é retratada as primeiras construções dos imigrantes holandeses e dos indonésios trazidos por eles para esse local. Aquele prédio onde tem escrito "Carambehy" é uma réplica da estação de trem daquela época.
Abraços e bom passeio.
Eu sabia que era um parque histórico, mas não entendi o que você quis dizer com o fato de o nome Carambehy ter algo a ver com a escravidão.
@LewisWirth Não tem a ver com escravidão, acho que ele quis dizer "escrevia" e não "escravia" (essa palavra não existe).
Esse h era como se escrevia o português no século XIX. Exemplos: Parahyba, Piauhy, Bahia, prohibido, ahi
É igual a escrita de anno naquela placa ao invés de ano, português antigo, mas faz mais sentido que o atual.
comfy place
Yeah it was lovely.
A little sad that the weather was so bad when I visited but maybe it gives it more of a Dutch atmosphere, the rain and the cold.
Visit Arapoti , another Dutch colony.
I didn’t know you were dutch! because I saw you speaking also german, english and portuguese correctly 😅 I’m brazilian and I also speak german, english but instead of dutch I can only speak swedish 😅
Oh but it’s interesting you speak Swedish on top of those other languages 😂 I also made another video in a Dutch city called Holambra. One of my first videos in Brazil
6:35 Nossa, aqui realmente parece a Holanda... Uma curiosidade é que um dos deputados federais que atualmente é um dos mais atuante no Brasil é descendente de holandeses: Marcel Van Hattem.
How lovely! I didn't know Paraná state had two cities of the Dutch diaspora. Frisian and Twents are my favorite minority languages of the Netherlands and of course I also like Dutch. In fact, when I studied German for a few years in my adolescence (and later for two years at the University), I did it because German was the closest language to Dutch I could get to learn back then (in the 70's and early eighties it was hard to find material teaching Dutch here)😇
Dankje wel for one more interesting video. I always give the thumbs-up and share, by the way.
I’m still confused that people are calling Twents a language I’ve never heard that in the Netherlands only as a dialect. I’m really glad you like my videos. Also thanks for liking and sharing and commenting all of those help a lot 🙏🏻
@LewisWirth It's a legitimate regional language!😊 You probably know all that but forgive me to state the obvious cause, as a cultural activist, I try to take every chance to make these minority languages more known and sometimes people get to read these comments and get interested in them too.
As it derives from Low Saxon, it's one of the Low Saxon dialects of the Netherlands (Nederlaands Nedersaksies), the other ones are mostly speaken in Germany, where most people call them Platt Deutsch, a term I grew adverse to as it often gives the wrong idea that these regional languages stem from Hoch Deutsch, which is obviously false, reinforcing old stereotypes against these beautiful languages.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Low_Saxon#:~:text=Dutch%20Low%20Saxon%20(Nederlaands%20Leegsaksies,written%20with%20local%2C%20unstandardised%20orthographies
Also: "Its revaluation as a dialect of Low Saxon rather than Standard Dutch is a relatively recent development. Due to ongoing stigmatisation, the use of the language declined in the decades following the Second World War. It was considered an inappropriate way of speaking, and thought to hinder children's language learning abilities and diminish their future prospects. Due to a general rise in regional pride, interests in preserving and promoting the language have risen, resulting in dialect writing competitions, teaching materials, festivals, and other culturally engaging projects."
"... As a dialect of Low Saxon, Tweants belongs to the Indo-European language family, belonging to the West-Germanic group of Germanic languages. It is a direct descendant from Old Saxon, and as such, it is closely related to English and Frisian. ..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweants_dialect
I tried to find other sources in English but couldn't find it but I guess the bibliography in these articles are reliable enough. I wish I knew Dutch enough to quote from some academic texts but unfortunately my knowledge of the language is at toddler's level🙂
I always give the due thumbs-up and share the videos! 🎄
@ alright though the distinction between languages and dialects will always be a more political one then an objective difference. I do know about Seeltersk in Germany which is basically Saterland Frisian though a depressingly small area that has any Frisian left over there. I’m not sure which German dialects or whatever you mean. One problem with Germany is how diverse its la no have is in its dialects because if Swiss German is considered a German dialect then it’s hard to call a dialect closer to high German a separate language
@LewisWirth I'm just stating something most scholars seem to agree about, believe me, I'm not into creating polemics: most scholars state that Platt dialects did not stem from High German and neither did the Dutch Low Saxon dialects did stem from mainstream Dutch as variants of this standard language, although in their case, both Dutch and the latter have indeed stemmed from Old Low Saxon. It's a matter of historical linguistics in both these case, how these languages developed, it has nothing to do with politics as in the fight about Bornholmsk being a Danish or a Skanian dialect for instance, I respect both interpretations but I prefer to regard Bornholmsk the latter, i.e. a Skanian dialect but this wouldn't be a serious mistake as regarding Platt languages a dialect of High German, as Platt dialects stem from Low Saxon and not High German, this is a consensus among most serious scholars. It would be tantamount to saying the regional romance dialects of France like Gallo developed out of the Parisian dialect, which would be a serious mistake in terms of historical linguistics and the developments of these languages, they evolved independentely and regionally from the olde dialects spoken in their own regions though in the case of romance dialects, they evolved out of the vulgar latin spoken in each region of France but totally independent of the Parisian dialect which became later the standardized form of the language we now call French.
British scholars still assume Northumbrian, Cumbrian and Goergie are dialects of English, and that the texts in Old Northumbrian are variants of Anglo-Saxon but I prefer to regard them as the true language of the Angles, as anyone can clearly see it's a completely different language from the Old Saxon of the British Isles if we compare the texts. This is indeed a case one can argue that politics play the major role in defining what is a language or a dialect as they insist in calling a different, independent language, the Old Northumbrian, which is the language of the Angles in my opinion, as a mere dialect of Anglo-Saxon but we don't have enough documents to settle this discussion, unlike in the case of Old Low Saxon, in which most historical linguists seem to agree about.
The Landscape is much better than in the US. All kinds of traditions can be kept in a really good condition. The weather is more gentle. It’s really nice to see little old Dutch, German towns in Brazil. Big cities, blocks and Autobahns are just soo boring to look at it. People are more likely to talk about how to improve living standards, new technology but rarely think about how to preserve old traditions. Old traditions don’t necessarily mean slums. It’s rich in cultures and heritages, European heritages and cultures, things may disappear in the coming decades due to modernisation. A kind of make-over and standardised just like fast fashion, low quality clothing and being swept away so quickly. The cost of environment and natural resources are HUGE! Externalities are too high.
I think you’re getting a few assumptions wrong about Brazil though other things I agree with. First of all Brazil is very car dependent outside of major cities. They do have great bus services but not much aside from that. I have visited many small towns that were a pain to visit with public transport and others that were outright impossible to visit using public transportation. During the military dictatorship when Brazil joined world war 2 they made it illegal to speak German Italian Japanese Dutch and so. On this was a very hard time for these communities and really reduced the amount of speakers of the languages. Now there days a lot of communities have kinds of revivals of their language and culture some communities have been providing from tourism for a long time other communities have cultural organizations and are trying to get tourism to their city like Registro for example which is a Japanese city between São Paulo and Curitiba. I do believe that there’s a place for both big metropolises and these nice small little cities that have different cultures. I personally prefer the latter I grew up in the countryside myself. But I’m glad you found my videos and that you like them. I hope you can find other videos of mine that you’ll also enjoy
Hi, the name of the town is CASTRO, with a C. In the title it´s Gastro, with a G.
@@jghamann I hadn’t put Castro in the title. But let me check maybe you mean the description. I’ll also add Castro to the title now
Now I see my mistake.
Castrolanda comes from Castro, I have been saying it wrong this whole time.
Thank you very much for correcting me it helps a lot.
I may be dyslectic but I'm also a perfectionist
I’m 5% Dutch cause of Dutch Brazil, my family is from the interior of northern Bahia.
Que massa cara, queria saber também sobre minha origem aqui em Pernambuco temos alguns sobrenomes de origem holandesa e alguns que forem perdidos ou “aportuguesados”
@ ce deve ter mais ent
@@Leo7s1822 it could be. But here whenever you see green eyed or blue eyed people in the capital Recife or the interior of the state it could be because of ancient dutch heritage, some people are just heavily mixed so it’s a melting pot
5% como chegou a esse número?
@ minha mãe tem 5% no test de DNA dela
AND Holambra in são Paulo????
I’ve made another video there it’s also on my channel
its sad that back in 1930-1945 immigrants where not allowed to speak other languages due to the dictatorship that happened
True so true same with all the other languages
Why did you cut the parts where you speak with people in Dutch?
I filmed this very much towards the beginning of my trip but hadn’t gotten to finish editing it. So the footage was a bit more of a mess. I did the best I could when editing it. The guy I talked to at the end I tried to turn the camera on there but it was already recording so that turned it off and I only have that part (a few seconds more but that wasn’t usable) the lady in the start it was more that there were “long” portions where there was silence or redundant bits saying the same stuff it’s mainly to speed up the video and keep it more engaging.
@ 👍
Overall your content is very enjoyable
@@caio5987 thanks mate I’m glad you like it
Uma pena que tu não foi no "Zeskamp" que acontece sempre no mês de julho que é a Olimpíada Intercolonial das Comunidades Holandesas, um evento esportivo de interação entre as seis principais colônias de imigração holandesa no Brasil que são Holambra e Campos de Holambra em São Paulo, Castrolanda, Carambeí e Arapoti no Paraná e Não-me-Toque no Rio Grande do Sul. Esses videos mostram como é.
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Hahahaha the silly Dutch music in the video. It’s either a kids song or carnaval song I think that one is a children’s song. I didn’t know about that. Also I was in Santiago Chile in July. But thanks for the info I found it very interesting
@LewisWirth Is there not Zeskamp in the Netherlands?
@@mastertchelo I know that there's similar events idk if there's one with. the same name
Sadly, the ironic tone in some parts of the video is arrogant and not very respectful. The lady at the reception desk was clearly holding back because she knew her Dutch isn't good and probably other arrogant tourists were sarcastic against her because of that, and even shamed her on the Internet. But she's a humble person, who probably doesn't have the resources to study more, doing the best she can at her position.
And stating things like "that's just a bunch of random stuff" ignores the fact that Castro is a big Japanese colony that was very close to Castrolanda. Obviously there would be some cultural exchange between the neighbors, and the Dutch would be keen to purchase Japanese ornaments. While this is a Dutch colony, it wasn't an isolated island, so don't expect it to be identical to the Netherlands.
You're overreacting a little bit. Her Dutch is intermediate which is quite good for a Brazilian the fact that she still speaks it at all is impressive.
This video is of old footage that wasn't filmed very well mainly cause I didn't have much experience talking to the camera.
I doubt the lady had experiences with "arrogant tourists that were sarcastic against her" I found it uprising that she spoke Dutch and quite self evident that it wasn't native level, sad you interpreted it as such.
Also where did you get that Castro is a Japanese colony, I was told by a Dutch descendant in Holambra about castro as I only knew about Gastrolanda and he called both Dutch colonies, he also named Arapoti.
I've visited several Japanese colonies, didn't notice anything Japanese in Castro.
after saying "that's just a bunch of random stuff" I learned that that house represented the different immigrant groups to Castro aside from the Dutch. It said that they were mainly Indonesian polish German Italian and Portuguese.
Thanks for watching my video
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@@kami6796 Kerel. But I’ve thought about it and I think it might also just be a bit of a cultural misunderstanding. Dutch directness is regularly misinterpreted as being mean by foreigners. 🤔
It is fairly normal in Brazil to throw in some random stuff like we see in the video
@ this time it was because they were showing the immigration history of several countries in the same house so they just put them together
Exageradu.
Não sei o porquê desse suposto interesse repentino desses serviços de inteligência e propaganda da Europa no Brasil agora. O país que tanto humilharam. Só porque estamos indo para os BRICS e deixando de ser colônia que nem os países do Sahel.
Não tenho certeza. É a primeira vez que sou acusado de ser algum tipo de espião ou algo estúpido assim. Porque vejo isso como uma vitória. Gostaria de ganhar esse tipo de dinheiro, mas seria legal.
@LewisWirth 😂
@LewisWirth we know you're on Netherlands secret service payroll dude 🫵
Just joking lol. Don't know what this guy has in the head
@ yeah but it’s funny I’ve seen many people that I watch myself say there’s people telling them they’re cia or whatever so I see it as a nice milestone 😂
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