I have been struggling with a vicious slice when using my driver for years. Nothing I tried could correct it and I couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong so I just played to my slice. I watched this video and tried it at the range last week. I am completely shocked. All this time I’ve been concerned with my rotation through my swing. It never occurred to me that I needed more rotation in my back swing but soon as I rotated back to the point that my left shoulder is pointing at the ball BAM STRAIGHT BOMBS RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE. Thank you for the direction, it has made me love the game all over again.
I tried it and it worked incredibly well for me. I had been working on getting the trail shoulder down towards the ball with shoulder tilt and side bend. Working the lead shoulder down on the backswing instead is simple to do and very repeatable. I adjusted to the S&T setup very quickly and feel very confident over the ball now. I'm a S&T convert. Thanks to Eric & Tom. Current handicap 1.
Finding Tom changed my life his no bs teaching method had me watching then when I went outside and hit the ball like crispy kfc I was like wtf is this STACK N TILT now shoot in low 80's instead of low 90's.
The two of you are my favorite golf coaches on YT. Watched these videos of you two and went out and had my best ball striking round I’ve ever had. Stack and tilt is a great swing for solid golf shots.
I'm a 69 year old lady from the UK who has struggled with consistency in my golf game for more years than I care to remember. The tip of getting my shoulder down has transformed my game. I have my weight slightly favouring my left foot, chin up and then all I think about is my left shoulder going down. Miraculous! I have played half a dozen games now with good consistency. Soooo enjoyable.
Love it that you two guys got together. My two favorite coaches. I love to practice but more than often probably not correctly. But I do go out with your tips and attempt to emulate what you are telling us. Cheers guys 😎🏌️
Eric this is the last person I thought I would ever see in one of your blogs! He is a nutter in which we all love of his ott comments, but gets too the point in what us armature golfers do!! He brings joy and fun into the golf swing! Well done Eric - I think you were very brave bringing this guy to the front! Love it , you make a great team!
This is a power tandem!! I watch three people only on YT, Tom, Eric and Jess. And it’s cool that you’ve done videos with both Tom and Jess. All three of you have helped my game tremendously. The three amigos of golf!!! Thank you
Just now watch this video went across the parking lot where I live to the golf course and started hitting some balls. WOW!!! This swing thought is incredible I cannot thank you both enough
It's been working great for me and trying to get the left shoulder past the ball then whack it to the target.. No more thoughts than that. Best tips came from you to guys. Left shoulder down to ball and left shoulder past the ball in backswing. Thanks
I could never relate to the phrase "keep your head down", or "you're picking up your head"...when they should actually say you've lost your spine angle, you have swayed during your backswing and now you have to sway back through impact. But I totally understand maintaining your spine angle, avoiding the sway, keeping that spine angle on the backswing and through impact. These videos with Tom Saguto are really connecting for me. Thank you Eric and Tom!
Somehow I had never thought about shoulder tilt before, this was definitely the missing piece to getting my swing right. I took this to the course today and shot 76 off a 10 handicap. I wish I could give this more than one Like. Thanks Eric.
The one thing I love about your channel is that you bring on so many different teachers with different swing philosophies and you let them pitch their ideas without shooting them down. I know you have your own philosophy about what is the right way to swing the golf club but it's impressive to me that you go into these videos with a open mind and find the good in all of their instruction and tips
4:16 Classic Stack and Tilt Mike Bennett. A little spine tilt toward the target added to your own natural swing will prevent swaying and promote better contact. You just have to not over do it like golfers tend to do with a swing adjustment.
Yessss!! Been watching Saguto for 2 months now. He's helped me a lot with ball striking, but I was still being inconsistent at times with topping the ball and fat shots. I would go to the range and do something right, but not transfer it to the course. Also I would lose my striking to my divot board with bad strikes and multiple times just swinging the air with no contact. Worked on it a bit after watching this video. I changed and concentrated on 2 things: really focusing on pointing the shoulder at the ball (while straightening the trail leg to get tilt) and getting that forward bent relationship more than I was. Going to stay away from that "office posture".....curious if it works for driver as well! Regardless I still had some fat shots, but more pure strikes in front of the ball on the board than I've had in weeks. Can't wait to bring it to the course on Sunday!
(Larry San Diego) Love your videos with a variety of Master Instructors and TH-cam popular instructors - Tom Saguto. Tjis lesson in particular which you have emphasized in the past is a great reminder to exaggerate the left shoulder down in our backswing drills. Thanks for your outreach to others on TH-cam. Stay safe!
Great video boys ! 👍 My Pro’ had me doing this drill in the week as my problem had always been lateral shift to the right. I thought I was staying more centred but when he took video I wasn’t ! As we say in London, you’re both Top Geezers ! 😁😁
Thanks, Ken! Always good to watch on video as I've found after 15 years of coaching that rule never changes.....what it FEELs like and LOOKS like are rarely the same in the beginning :)
Gonna try this feel out on Wednesday when I play. Thanks Eric, I will keep saying it, best feel and visual golf coach on YT. Makes it easy to implement. Have dropped from 7 to 3 over past few months incorporating your coaching. Cheers!
Hey Rene! ITs different.... You are always looking to replace the amount of forward bend with side bend So longer clubs you are less bent over at setup=less tilt Shorter clubs more bent over=more tilt I THINK we go over that in this video th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
Thanks! If you dip too much in backswing watch too much bend in lead leg in backswing OR lead shoulder down too much. Prob feel weight a lot into lead toes Should be an easy fix once you identify root issue....if you don't send swings to www.cogornogolf.com and we can fix
@@CogornoGolf thank you. I can do practice swings in front of mirror and ok. 1/2 to 3/4 swings with ball ok. Full swing... dip and then raise with a re routing of hands every time. Video swings in my sim.
For sure.... the practice swings are worthless....I wouldn't even waste time with them....do all practice WITH the ball and record it BUt....to start.....only go as FAST (slow) as you can do it PERFECT....WITH THE BALL. Start at 10% speed WITH THE BALL and build up
I took a video lesson with Tom and learned a lot! The tilt of the left shoulder feels weird at first, but it is amazing how well it leads to good ball striking
I’m converting to s&t at age 71. Played yesterday and got really excited that my tee shots were 15-20 yards farther. Even my playing partners noticed. Irons, not so good, but I get what my mistake was. Give this a try, pretty exciting.
This has always been my problem. It seems I can not tilt enough due to flexibility, I guess 😢 But I won't give up just yet 😊 Thanks Eric & and Tom for this video. I'm really glad I came across this. 😍
Thanks Eric and Tom….great instruction! The left shoulder down move has helped me prevent swaying away from the ball. For driver, with ball position more forward, do you recommend “extreme” left shoulder down feel?
Hey Bob! Nope-with driver should still down BUT you are just replacing forward bend So with driver you are less bent over at setup to less shoulder tilt. Wedge more bent over so more tilt Replace forward bend with side tilt in backswing We talked about irons vs driver tilt here: th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
Thank you Eric! After many in-person lessons with drills to prevent hip sway away from ball the “left shoulder down” works like magic. Also appreciate the link you provided for tilt with irons vs. driver. Great video and explanation.
Thanks so much Eric & Tom, this has been a game changer for me. I started using this advice for my rescue shots from rough, it provided me incredible power and consistency. Then I used this tip for every Iron shot, even from the tee. Do you think it can be used with driver as well ? Never tried, but I surely will ! Thanks again 👍👍👍
Hey Jerome! Yes....but less with driver you are trying to replace forward bend with side bend Driver you setup the tallest (least forward bend) so less side bend in backswing th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
I just want to point out that the front on views of Tiger 9:34 and DJ 9:50 clearly show the spine tilted away from the target, not towards it. Their left shoulders are down toward the ball though.
Hey Bryan! The spine should not be tilted TOWARD the target. You start in a few degrees of side bend at setup You stay in a few degrees of flexion at top But the left shoulder goes down on both sides
Good stuff, I like the realism, Tom is as he is, you Eric are able to mix with the best - great combo in this series - did Mike Malaska say prior in earlier video with you that he suggests starting the swing with a slight move (weight transfer) to the left side - thanks as too many fail to see as you show, all good swings that LAST, are degrees of tilt.
Great stuff as always. Any correlation between this and backswing hip depth? I notice my lead shoulder tends to rise in the late stages of my backswing and I also have a hard time overcoming the hip movement pattern that you and Mike Malaska discuss in another video (lead hip moves in on backswing and trail hip moves in on downswing). Wondering if tackling this might organically help me get my trail hip deeper in the backswing.
Hey Evan! Yes! 100% correlation Left shoulder back----right hip back. Left shoulder up--right hip in. I would do this drill while pushing right hip back th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
Second session with stack and tilt, and absolutely flushing it! I can't believe how effective the principles are for solid contact each time. Thanks so much Eric and Tom 😎 ⛳️
Very helpful video. Thanks Eric and thanks to Tom ! It has had immediate positive effect. However, with fairways and the driver (because they are longer and therefore I am standing further away from the ball) it is more difficult to lean my lead/left shoulder in the backswing. Therefore, some of my balls are going straight to the right (push). Any comments on how to avoid that ? Carlos (from Portugal)
Love it....KIND of! you want to replace forward bend with side bend in backswing Les forward bend with driver at setup so less going back Talk about that more here: th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
Heyo Eric! I definitely don't tilt enough, but when I do my head is absolutely not staying in the circle. However, I am able to shallow and rotate much much better when I tilt, which is weird. But how do I keep my head steady now??
Hey Christoph! Here are a few videos that I think will help you out: th-cam.com/video/mksbOP0RSBw/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/TMMCQz3nlmw/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/TIDfZFdNW_0/w-d-xo.html Thanks for watching the channel!
OK, this move is totally missing from my swing, but I don't seem to be able to quit simply turning level, thereby having a flat shoulder plane. How do you force the lead shoulder down? I have a pretty thick chest/torso....is that the problem. And isn't Tom's exaggeration a reverse pivot?
Hey Joel! I would suggest your solution resides within 1. Using video each swing to confirm what you really do compared to your feels 2. Be willing to exaggerate what FEELs like 1000x too much there no real secret to it...exaggeration. Allow left knee to go down and forward to tilt the hips help Here is more that may help with some cues: th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/itMUrdHkHm4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/5PyZRor9RGA/w-d-xo.html
Hi guys,would this be the same with driver?? Or do you want the driver more flat and around?? I have Improved my irons but lost my driving! Lol I have even hit the ground before the ball with driver!! 😱 thanks
Hey Scott! The idea is to replace the amount of forward bend with side bend...so since you are standing taller (less bent over) with driver you will have less shoulder down I believe we discuss that in some of these th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/5PyZRor9RGA/w-d-xo.html
Hey Scotty! Thanks for being here with us! You are always looking to replace forward bend with side bend so with driver you just have less I believe the full explanation on that here th-cam.com/video/5PyZRor9RGA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
Eric, what are your thoughts on the full on stack and tilt swing like Tom does. I have tried it and block everything (10 handicapper here). The only PGA tour pro I have ever heard that did it is Mike Weir. Thx.
Hey Danny. I think its a good option for a lot of people Of course there are varying degrees of all of the pieces demonstrated amongst players Really good for higher handicaps
Hey Tyler! Yes...you need left side bend (left shoulder down with ALL clubs) More with shorter clubs, less with longer clubs. You are trying to replace your forward bend amount with left side bend at top So wedge you are more bent over at setup and driver less bent over. Wedge more side bend than driver. Talk about that here: th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
Eric, here in Columbia, SC. Myrtle Beach is a great and fun trip.. What did you think of the town? Great lesson. Once you understand tilt, your game gets crazy better.
Left shoulder down really means left side bend resulting in left shoulder down? Do you commence backswing with LSB and rotation at the same time? Does one start fractionally before the other? I'm thinking maybe start LSB first to get motion correct for left shoulder down
I would think of it as the left side bend, rotation and extension happening 0-100 through entire backswing That will not happen exactly that way for everyone but that's the 101 version.
Hi guys i have a tip that helped me. It should feel like the club is going away from the hole and your upper body is moving towards it on the backswing and the opposite on the down swing.
I like that Paul as a FEEL of course so long as you don't overdo it (like anything else) If you draw a circle around your head at setup you want your head to stay in that.....that requires left shoulder down in backswing and right shoulder down in downswing
This is a good start and an essential move.. but don't forget that the left side has to move forward and the hips rotate around where the shoulders are facing the target.. without doing this you'll just slam the club into the ground. The follow-through is just as important as the backswing.
Did it for a bit but then started to reverse pivot. I prefer to get the left shoulder way behind the ball like Arnold. I feel if I do that it forces me to get through the ball better. Obviously that’s just my personal experience
I agree that the left should goes down to towards the ball on the back swing but the right shoulder takes its place on the downswing,,,,,equally important
The problem I have is that you need to somehow change from tilting to the left on the backswing to tilting to the right on the downswing, which I find very difficult to do. Any ideas?
Hey Samatha! Thats right. Left shoulder down, right shoulder down. Try this "head on the wall" to help feel this: th-cam.com/video/TIDfZFdNW_0/w-d-xo.html
Easy way to confirm is to draw a circle around your head at setup Keep your head dead in the circle as you get to the top of your backswing with a full turn that's how you know you're perfectly centered and have zero reverse pivot hope this helps!
Yes but LESS tilt with driver bc you are standing taller.... More details on how tilt changes with different clubs here th-cam.com/video/5PyZRor9RGA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
I feel like when i bring the left shoulder to the ball i dont have enough room for the club to come through...am i the only one that feels that way? Whats a good video to watch for the downswing after this move?
Hey! The left shoulder goes down on the way back....BUT....it goes UP on the way through This should help you feel more room after it goes down it needs to go UP AND BACK second half of downswing the gives you the room th-cam.com/video/DE6a3IX1s9Y/w-d-xo.html
I would say Palmer had a unusually steep shoulder turn. To me that is the extreme and it takes a lot of lower back flexibility. The amount that Tiger has at 5:35 is fine.
YES! ....but since you stand taller with driver you aren't going to be as tilted with shoulder You replace forward bend with side bend So with short iron you are bend over more....so you will tilt more in backswing naturally With driver you are standing taller (less bend over bc club longer and lie angle) so you won't tilt as much Always 90* to back line good place to start We talk about that in detail here: th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
My question is... This is fine, interesting for an iron shot. How does it work with the driver and how does it work with chipping and pitching. We should all know by now that 50% of our shots are around or near the green. Am I going to tilt like a crazy person when I chip or pitch??? Not saying I don't want to try it, saying I can't see how that would work on shorter shots... Eric???
Hey Dan! I would encourage you to head over to Tom's channel to see any videos he has done on driver and chipping and you should get your answers there!
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric. This is turning my golf theory and application upside down. But I love it. And I respect the hell out of you for bringing other teachers of other styles to your channel. Love your swing. What would you say as a teacher in terms of teaching "conventional vs stack and tilt"? Because now I'm a bit confused (I have beginning students and we're just about to get into full swing mechanics).
What you guys are talking about is turn and not shift. A suggestion after trying to do what was taught here. PRE- TURN at setup to the point where one needs to think up and around . Completely take the moving away from ball out to avoid the slightest shift. Makes sense or nonsense?
I have been struggling with a vicious slice when using my driver for years. Nothing I tried could correct it and I couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong so I just played to my slice.
I watched this video and tried it at the range last week. I am completely shocked. All this time I’ve been concerned with my rotation through my swing. It never occurred to me that I needed more rotation in my back swing but soon as I rotated back to the point that my left shoulder is pointing at the ball BAM STRAIGHT BOMBS RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE. Thank you for the direction, it has made me love the game all over again.
Love it Matt!!
I tried it and it worked incredibly well for me. I had been working on getting the trail shoulder down towards the ball with shoulder tilt and side bend. Working the lead shoulder down on the backswing instead is simple to do and very repeatable. I adjusted to the S&T setup very quickly and feel very confident over the ball now. I'm a S&T convert. Thanks to Eric & Tom. Current handicap 1.
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The best part of this is Eric is normally very serious but with Tom he doesn’t even know what to do with him. He just left Tom do Tom. Love it.
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man, im loving your videos with Tom Saguto!!!! keep them coming.
Finding Tom changed my life his no bs teaching method had me watching then when I went outside and hit the ball like crispy kfc I was like wtf is this STACK N TILT now shoot in low 80's instead of low 90's.
More to come! Video on stack and tilt coming tomorrow
The two of you are my favorite golf coaches on YT. Watched these videos of you two and went out and had my best ball striking round I’ve ever had. Stack and tilt is a great swing for solid golf shots.
Love to hear that Patrick!! Appreciate the love and support!
I'm a 69 year old lady from the UK who has struggled with consistency in my golf game for more years than I care to remember. The tip of getting my shoulder down has transformed my game. I have my weight slightly favouring my left foot, chin up and then all I think about is my left shoulder going down. Miraculous! I have played half a dozen games now with good consistency. Soooo enjoyable.
Love it Gracie!! Nice!
This will turn your game around. Started a year ago. The only way to hit the sweet spot consistently. Thank you guys.
Do you mean it “tilted” your game around?
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Love it that you two guys got together. My two favorite coaches. I love to practice but more than often probably not correctly. But I do go out with your tips and attempt to emulate what you are telling us. Cheers guys 😎🏌️
Thanks,Arthur!
Eric this is the last person I thought I would ever see in one of your blogs! He is a nutter in which we all love of his ott comments, but gets too the point in what us armature golfers do!! He brings joy and fun into the golf swing! Well done Eric - I think you were very brave bringing this guy to the front! Love it , you make a great team!
Hey Alan! Tom is great-lots of fun!
This is a power tandem!! I watch three people only on YT, Tom, Eric and Jess. And it’s cool that you’ve done videos with both Tom and Jess. All three of you have helped my game tremendously. The three amigos of golf!!! Thank you
Love to hear that, Danny! Appreciate the support man!
Just now watch this video went across the parking lot where I live to the golf course and started hitting some balls. WOW!!!
This swing thought is incredible I cannot thank you both enough
Love to hear this one helped!!
Two of the greats coming together. Love it. First time I watched Toms stack and tilt videos I took 7 strokes off my game.
Love it!
This is a million dollars tip and no local pro ever corrected my tilt and now i am a different golfer and enjoying my game to high level. Thanks guys.
Fantastic to hear this! Thank you for watching!
The two of you together is magical, it's a great mix of the two styles. The left shoulder down is the key for me. Thanks to you both.
Appreciate your support Rich!
Love this combination. Two of the most engaging instructors on YT working together. Fantastic.
Appreciate it, Ian!
The collaboration we've all wanted 😍
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It's been working great for me and trying to get the left shoulder past the ball then whack it to the target.. No more thoughts than that. Best tips came from you to guys. Left shoulder down to ball and left shoulder past the ball in backswing. Thanks
Love to hear that, Mark! Our pleasure!
I could never relate to the phrase "keep your head down", or "you're picking up your head"...when they should actually say you've lost your spine angle, you have swayed during your backswing and now you have to sway back through impact. But I totally understand maintaining your spine angle, avoiding the sway, keeping that spine angle on the backswing and through impact. These videos with Tom Saguto are really connecting for me. Thank you Eric and Tom!
Appreciate ya!
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This guy has a great personality and a great way of teaching. Best golf channel on TH-cam!!!
👊Tom is the best!
Somehow I had never thought about shoulder tilt before, this was definitely the missing piece to getting my swing right. I took this to the course today and shot 76 off a 10 handicap. I wish I could give this more than one Like. Thanks Eric.
Love to hear this! Awesome work!
The one thing I love about your channel is that you bring on so many different teachers with different swing philosophies and you let them pitch their ideas without shooting them down. I know you have your own philosophy about what is the right way to swing the golf club but it's impressive to me that you go into these videos with a open mind and find the good in all of their instruction and tips
Appreciate it my friend! We are all learning together!!
This insight has dramatically changed my consistency for the better. Great video Eric. More gold. 🙏
Love to hear that!
4:16 Classic Stack and Tilt Mike Bennett. A little spine tilt toward the target added to your own natural swing will prevent swaying and promote better contact. You just have to not over do it like golfers tend to do with a swing adjustment.
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I heard tilt, then was immediately distracted by Tom's little leprechaun cheek burns
What the hell is going on there!
Haha thanks for watching Anthony! Tom is a great guy...he does his own thing and I respect that! Easy to follow the "norm" hard to walk your own path!
My two favorite golf guys. Always, always great content.
Thank you! Appreciate your support!
Yessss!! Been watching Saguto for 2 months now. He's helped me a lot with ball striking, but I was still being inconsistent at times with topping the ball and fat shots. I would go to the range and do something right, but not transfer it to the course. Also I would lose my striking to my divot board with bad strikes and multiple times just swinging the air with no contact. Worked on it a bit after watching this video. I changed and concentrated on 2 things: really focusing on pointing the shoulder at the ball (while straightening the trail leg to get tilt) and getting that forward bent relationship more than I was. Going to stay away from that "office posture".....curious if it works for driver as well! Regardless I still had some fat shots, but more pure strikes in front of the ball on the board than I've had in weeks. Can't wait to bring it to the course on Sunday!
Thanks for watching! Hope you have a great round on Sunday!
Love this collaboration! Y'all really are the best TH-cam golf instructors out there!
Appreciate the support Frank! Thank you!!
(Larry San Diego) Love your videos with a variety of Master Instructors and TH-cam popular instructors - Tom Saguto. Tjis lesson in particular which you have emphasized in the past is a great reminder to exaggerate the left shoulder down in our backswing drills. Thanks for your outreach to others on TH-cam. Stay safe!
Thanks Larry!
This is really good for pitches too btw, really awesome to see both you coaching together. Two of my favorites!
Thanks for the support Tommy!!👊
Love the persona behind the lessons. The perfect combo - Quirky and Calculating.
Thanks, Sharon! Good fun!
My Dad and I love the tips, time to put them into action during our Tues night league. You guys make a great team, keep up the great content!
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Great video boys ! 👍 My Pro’ had me doing this drill in the week as my problem had always been lateral shift to the right. I thought I was staying more centred but when he took video I wasn’t ! As we say in London, you’re both Top Geezers ! 😁😁
Thanks, Ken! Always good to watch on video as I've found after 15 years of coaching that rule never changes.....what it FEELs like and LOOKS like are rarely the same in the beginning :)
Gonna try this feel out on Wednesday when I play. Thanks Eric, I will keep saying it, best feel and visual golf coach on YT. Makes it easy to implement. Have dropped from 7 to 3 over past few months incorporating your coaching. Cheers!
Love to hear that! Hope it helps!
It's great seeing you guys do this together.
Thanks, Danny! Good fun! Tom is great
I’ve recently gone down the rabbit hole of Eric’s traveling golf lesson show and it’s awesome! Thanks for doing these!
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one question, do we tilt the same for driver clubs and irons? since the stance is a little different than with irons.
Hey Rene! ITs different....
You are always looking to replace the amount of forward bend with side bend
So longer clubs you are less bent over at setup=less tilt
Shorter clubs more bent over=more tilt
I THINK we go over that in this video
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@@CogornoGolf thank you very much Eric.
I will try sign up for your program later this year. You are being so so helpful
Would love to have you on the team when you're ready!
Great lesson. My issue is head dropping down or dipping in my backswing.... and then lifting and slightly over top on downswing.
Thanks! If you dip too much in backswing watch too much bend in lead leg in backswing OR lead shoulder down too much. Prob feel weight a lot into lead toes
Should be an easy fix once you identify root issue....if you don't send swings to www.cogornogolf.com and we can fix
@@CogornoGolf thank you. I can do practice swings in front of mirror and ok. 1/2 to 3/4 swings with ball ok. Full swing... dip and then raise with a re routing of hands every time. Video swings in my sim.
@@CogornoGolf btw..you and Saguto do a wonderful job of making things more simple.
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the practice swings are worthless....I wouldn't even waste time with them....do all practice WITH the ball and record it
BUt....to start.....only go as FAST (slow) as you can do it PERFECT....WITH THE BALL.
Start at 10% speed WITH THE BALL and build up
Man, you guys should do more videos. Even a round!!! Great focus on lead shoulder down, maintaining that relationship. Wow.
Thanks, Travis! Good fun...would love to next time around!
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I took a video lesson with Tom and learned a lot! The tilt of the left shoulder feels weird at first, but it is amazing how well it leads to good ball striking
Love it! Hes awesome!
I’m converting to s&t at age 71. Played yesterday and got really excited that my tee shots were 15-20 yards farther. Even my playing partners noticed. Irons, not so good, but I get what my mistake was. Give this a try, pretty exciting.
Awesome stuff Keith!
Tom, I can't stress enough how grateful I am to have met you. I wish that was 40 years ago
Excellent coaching session team. Very clear and good communication. Combination of two Top coaches. Thankyou
Thanks so much, Henry!
Do you do the same thing with the driver. Left shoulder down or it’s only for iron ? Thanks
Different for driver....check this one out we go through differences:
th-cam.com/video/TJtx-qVSgVU/w-d-xo.html
This has always been my problem. It seems I can not tilt enough due to flexibility, I guess 😢 But I won't give up just yet 😊
Thanks Eric & and Tom for this video. I'm really glad I came across this. 😍
Hope this one serves you well, Susan!
That poor kid in the background desperately needs one of you two. He was struggling HARD.
Here before he becomes a single digit cap 🤝
First thing I noticed. ha.
Watched this a few times and only noticed the kid today 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks Eric and Tom….great instruction! The left shoulder down move has helped me prevent swaying away from the ball.
For driver, with ball position more forward, do you recommend “extreme” left shoulder down feel?
Hey Bob! Nope-with driver should still down BUT you are just replacing forward bend
So with driver you are less bent over at setup to less shoulder tilt.
Wedge more bent over so more tilt
Replace forward bend with side tilt in backswing
We talked about irons vs driver tilt here: th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
Thank you Eric! After many in-person lessons with drills to prevent hip sway away from ball the “left shoulder down” works like magic.
Also appreciate the link you provided for tilt with irons vs. driver. Great video and explanation.
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Thanks so much Eric & Tom, this has been a game changer for me. I started using this advice for my rescue shots from rough, it provided me incredible power and consistency. Then I used this tip for every Iron shot, even from the tee. Do you think it can be used with driver as well ? Never tried, but I surely will ! Thanks again 👍👍👍
Hey Jerome!
Yes....but less with driver
you are trying to replace forward bend with side bend
Driver you setup the tallest (least forward bend) so less side bend in backswing
th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf 🙏🙏🙏 thank you so much Eric, really appreciate you took time to answer.
Great combination of two great coaches, please more of it
Tom, Eric and Jess Franks are the best golf teachers on TH-cam. FACT!
Appreciate ya, Neil!
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Awesome collab, more of this please guys.
Appreciate it!!
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I just want to point out that the front on views of Tiger 9:34 and DJ 9:50 clearly show the spine tilted away from the target, not towards it. Their left shoulders are down toward the ball though.
Hey Bryan! The spine should not be tilted TOWARD the target.
You start in a few degrees of side bend at setup
You stay in a few degrees of flexion at top
But the left shoulder goes down on both sides
@@CogornoGolf Oh I agree. I only mentioned that because the examples shown do not fit what Saguto is showing.
The best instructions I’ve seen.
Thanks Mike!!
Good stuff, I like the realism, Tom is as he is, you Eric are able to mix with the best - great combo in this series - did Mike Malaska say prior in earlier video with you that he suggests starting the swing with a slight move (weight transfer) to the left side - thanks as too many fail to see as you show, all good swings that LAST, are degrees of tilt.
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This tip has helped me so much, I definitely recommend giving it a try.
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Great stuff as always. Any correlation between this and backswing hip depth? I notice my lead shoulder tends to rise in the late stages of my backswing and I also have a hard time overcoming the hip movement pattern that you and Mike Malaska discuss in another video (lead hip moves in on backswing and trail hip moves in on downswing). Wondering if tackling this might organically help me get my trail hip deeper in the backswing.
Hey Evan!
Yes!
100% correlation
Left shoulder back----right hip back.
Left shoulder up--right hip in.
I would do this drill while pushing right hip back
th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
Love it. As always, thanks for the responsiveness.
Second session with stack and tilt, and absolutely flushing it! I can't believe how effective the principles are for solid contact each time.
Thanks so much Eric and Tom 😎 ⛳️
Love to hear this Will!!
Very helpful video. Thanks Eric and thanks to Tom ! It has had immediate positive effect. However, with fairways and the driver (because they are longer and therefore I am standing further away from the ball) it is more difficult to lean my lead/left shoulder in the backswing. Therefore, some of my balls are going straight to the right (push). Any comments on how to avoid that ? Carlos (from Portugal)
Tremendous video! Went to the practice range this morning. This work's! Crisp iron shots. Is it the same for the driver?? Thanks
Love it....KIND of!
you want to replace forward bend with side bend in backswing
Les forward bend with driver at setup so less going back
Talk about that more here: th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf love it ?? What?? Thx
1. I love that you said it worked for you
2. Its KIND OF the same for driver (your question)
Check out video I Linked
Heyo Eric! I definitely don't tilt enough, but when I do my head is absolutely not staying in the circle. However, I am able to shallow and rotate much much better when I tilt, which is weird. But how do I keep my head steady now??
Hey Christoph!
Here are a few videos that I think will help you out:
th-cam.com/video/mksbOP0RSBw/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/TMMCQz3nlmw/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/TIDfZFdNW_0/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for watching the channel!
@@CogornoGolf thanks Eric. Appreciate it!
Much appreciated this video.. it help me a lot 🤷🏽♂️
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OK, this move is totally missing from my swing, but I don't seem to be able to quit simply turning level, thereby having a flat shoulder plane. How do you force the lead shoulder down? I have a pretty thick chest/torso....is that the problem. And isn't Tom's exaggeration a reverse pivot?
Hey Joel!
I would suggest your solution resides within
1. Using video each swing to confirm what you really do compared to your feels
2. Be willing to exaggerate what FEELs like 1000x too much
there no real secret to it...exaggeration. Allow left knee to go down and forward to tilt the hips help
Here is more that may help with some cues:
th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/itMUrdHkHm4/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/5PyZRor9RGA/w-d-xo.html
Great advice..! For me it is important to approach the ball with the correct attitude.. cant do wibbly wobbly.. the posture needs to be firm
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Hi guys,would this be the same with driver?? Or do you want the driver more flat and around?? I have Improved my irons but lost my driving! Lol I have even hit the ground before the ball with driver!! 😱 thanks
Hey Scott!
The idea is to replace the amount of forward bend with side bend...so since you are standing taller (less bent over) with driver you will have less shoulder down
I believe we discuss that in some of these
th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/5PyZRor9RGA/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric! Really appreciate it! 👍
Good stuff. Just wondering how, from that top of position, one starts the downswing with that rear leg so straight?
It reflexes first move down then re extends into follow through
th-cam.com/video/KxvJmqqBwTY/w-d-xo.html
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Great video Eric just discovering your channel! Curious how this works with a driver where you are tilting right in the setup. Keep up the great work!
Hey Scotty! Thanks for being here with us!
You are always looking to replace forward bend with side bend so with driver you just have less
I believe the full explanation on that here
th-cam.com/video/5PyZRor9RGA/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video explaination tips
Appreciate it!
Eric, what are your thoughts on the full on stack and tilt swing like Tom does. I have tried it and block everything (10 handicapper here). The only PGA tour pro I have ever heard that did it is Mike Weir. Thx.
Hey Danny.
I think its a good option for a lot of people
Of course there are varying degrees of all of the pieces demonstrated amongst players
Really good for higher handicaps
You guys are great together !!! 🙏🙏🙏
Appreciate it, James!
Do you recommend this process using any iron/club? I see in the video you guys are using long irons
Hey Tyler!
Yes...you need left side bend (left shoulder down with ALL clubs)
More with shorter clubs, less with longer clubs.
You are trying to replace your forward bend amount with left side bend at top
So wedge you are more bent over at setup and driver less bent over. Wedge more side bend than driver.
Talk about that here: th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf thanks for the quick response. That’s very helpful!
2:42 for the best swing you've ever seen.
In the downswing, does the thought of pointing right shoulder at the ball work in symmetry?
Yep!
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Two great teachers at last!
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First time seeing this video. Funny I hit my shot onto 18th green using this concept. It worked for me.
:) Nice Andre!
What does extend the spine as you point the shoulder at the ball is done??.You mean the cervical spine????
thoracic
Nice job, great information as always, love it
Thanks, John!
Just need the down swing now. Plus how to do it slowly. Thanks 🙏
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Try this one for downswing version of shoulder down: th-cam.com/video/dWFZDN2Lt4Q/w-d-xo.html
Eric, here in Columbia, SC. Myrtle Beach is a great and fun trip.. What did you think of the town? Great lesson. Once you understand tilt, your game gets crazy better.
Love it! We have come down for a week each of the past two years!
Left shoulder down really means left side bend resulting in left shoulder down? Do you commence backswing with LSB and rotation at the same time? Does one start fractionally before the other? I'm thinking maybe start LSB first to get motion correct for left shoulder down
I would think of it as the left side bend, rotation and extension happening 0-100 through entire backswing
That will not happen exactly that way for everyone but that's the 101 version.
So it's ok if your head drops four or five inches during the backswing?
Hey Richard! Here would be some good guidelines for the head movements in the swing I would recommend: th-cam.com/video/TMMCQz3nlmw/w-d-xo.html
Hi guys i have a tip that helped me.
It should feel like the club is going away from the hole and your upper body is moving towards it on the backswing and the opposite on the down swing.
I like that Paul as a FEEL of course so long as you don't overdo it (like anything else)
If you draw a circle around your head at setup you want your head to stay in that.....that requires left shoulder down in backswing and right shoulder down in downswing
This is a good start and an essential move.. but don't forget that the left side has to move forward and the hips rotate around where the shoulders are facing the target.. without doing this you'll just slam the club into the ground. The follow-through is just as important as the backswing.
Yessir!
I am working on this .... TILT ..... keep head in circle ..... practice ..... thanks
Our pleasure Adam!
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Did it for a bit but then started to reverse pivot. I prefer to get the left shoulder way behind the ball like Arnold. I feel if I do that it forces me to get through the ball better. Obviously that’s just my personal experience
All good! Want to keep your head in the circle you started as the lead shoulder goes down
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I agree that the left should goes down to towards the ball on the back swing but the right shoulder takes its place on the downswing,,,,,equally important
No doubt
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Some People hate on Saguto. But for beginners he’s got on of the easiest swing instructions for beginners to get out and start playing good golf
We love Saguto!
Who hates on seguto
The problem I have is that you need to somehow change from tilting to the left on the backswing to tilting to the right on the downswing, which I find very difficult to do. Any ideas?
Hey Samatha! Thats right. Left shoulder down, right shoulder down.
Try this "head on the wall" to help feel this: th-cam.com/video/TIDfZFdNW_0/w-d-xo.html
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Eric puts such humility into explaining that’s what separates him from the rest.
Thanks Charles!👊
Great collaboration video. Tom's approach may not be mainstream but the physics behind his teachings seem sound.
Thanks, Frankie! tom is great!
I have great respect for both of you, Tom and Eric. This is magic, in combination with „The WALL“. Perfect.
Appreciate the support, Ed!
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Sometimes Im not sure if Im doing this movement correctly or Im going REVERSE PIVOT. I find both movements very similar!
Easy way to confirm is to draw a circle around your head at setup
Keep your head dead in the circle as you get to the top of your backswing with a full turn
that's how you know you're perfectly centered and have zero reverse pivot
hope this helps!
Does this work for driver too?
Yes but LESS tilt with driver bc you are standing taller....
More details on how tilt changes with different clubs here
th-cam.com/video/5PyZRor9RGA/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
I feel like when i bring the left shoulder to the ball i dont have enough room for the club to come through...am i the only one that feels that way? Whats a good video to watch for the downswing after this move?
Hey!
The left shoulder goes down on the way back....BUT....it goes UP on the way through
This should help you feel more room after it goes down it needs to go UP AND BACK second half of downswing the gives you the room
th-cam.com/video/DE6a3IX1s9Y/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf Thank you!!
Great collaboration!!!
Appreciate it my friend!
Came here for the Fire Marshall Bill reference, left with a great swing thought and feel.
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Both solid channels
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I would say Palmer had a unusually steep shoulder turn. To me that is the extreme and it takes a lot of lower back flexibility. The amount that Tiger has at 5:35 is fine.
And, like he said, it’s more of a feel anyway. It doesn’t have to be perfectly on the ball.
Eric, would that shoulder do the same thing with a Driver?
I have the same question. Should we have that same swing thought “lead shoulder to the ground” with the Driver?? Thanks.
YES! ....but since you stand taller with driver you aren't going to be as tilted with shoulder
You replace forward bend with side bend
So with short iron you are bend over more....so you will tilt more in backswing naturally
With driver you are standing taller (less bend over bc club longer and lie angle) so you won't tilt as much
Always 90* to back line good place to start
We talk about that in detail here: th-cam.com/video/Z3WRJIYky10/w-d-xo.html
My question is... This is fine, interesting for an iron shot. How does it work with the driver and how does it work with chipping and pitching. We should all know by now that 50% of our shots are around or near the green. Am I going to tilt like a crazy person when I chip or pitch??? Not saying I don't want to try it, saying I can't see how that would work on shorter shots... Eric???
Hey Dan!
I would encourage you to head over to Tom's channel to see any videos he has done on driver and chipping and you should get your answers there!
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric. This is turning my golf theory and application upside down. But I love it. And I respect the hell out of you for bringing other teachers of other styles to your channel. Love your swing.
What would you say as a teacher in terms of teaching "conventional vs stack and tilt"? Because now I'm a bit confused (I have beginning students and we're just about to get into full swing mechanics).
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What you guys are talking about is turn and not shift.
A suggestion after trying to do what was taught here.
PRE- TURN at setup to the point where one needs to think up and around . Completely take the moving away from ball out to avoid the slightest shift.
Makes sense or nonsense?
That can work!
The Bad/Good images at 10:00 ... good summary there.
Thanks, Justin!