Rating a Sacred Kroxigor Doomstack
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*Reasons why Sword of Khaine is good. (Wrong answers only)*
Because you don't like it :)
more revolutions means more xp
Enemies are slaves that come to the pens themselves
because it increases order faction wide, improves diplomatic relationships with all factions, and reduces upkeep costs for all armies
Because you can give it to me-me, yes-yes
Lord kroak is a stegadon away from being his own doomstack.
now THAT would be a powerfantasy
Better put him on a Carno the Speed
@@bogdanleshenko7149 oh my kroak
@@bogdanleshenko7149 Who wouldn't like to see a Dread Saurian balancing a fat magic toad on its head?
Touché
Imagine being an Estalian and looking outside of your farmhouse to see an army of crocodile men fighting an army of elves with giant eagles and dragons
Nice change from the usual madman that shits gold and holds a speech screaming loud enough to outdo the 19 hellfire he brought with him.
Hi! So this is actually my army that I sent in, so I thought I could clarify a few points about the state of the campaign:
- The reason why I've only just captured Lustria is because I was walking around the map farming LL defeat traits with Nakai. The only purpose of this campaign was to build this idea I had for the army and have fun with some Kroxigors (my fave unit).
- The reason I'm at war with everyone is because I declared war on a lot of people to try and set up a good battle for this video. Before the video I was friendly with the High Elves and Empire, who were allies. I actually think the diplomatic penalty on the Sword of Khaine is balanced out by the strong tech tree bonuses to diplomacy. +45 vs the -40 from the SoK. Most of the wars were deliberately started by me.
- You have a good point about shuffling the mounts on my wizards to fit the situation! I'm a bit lazy and leave them. The beast wizards are in the army on terradons because amber spear and the fireballs are good at sniping artillery, which is one weakness of this army.
- They're not too bad at beating single entity monsters, but you really need to micro them with attack orders, so it's a bit intensive. Usually I task Nakai with fighting the lords and heroes one by one.
Thank you so much for featuring my army, and thanks for all the great content! I'll go back to this campaign and see if I can survive the next 100 turns...
Solid points, hope you had a lot of fun battles with your favourite unit!
An other problem is that you gave Nakai firedamage so he can't fight phenixes very well.
Player: Goes into a lot of wars to have a proper test battle.
Legend: you are losing points for this!
> I'll go back to this campaign and see if I can survive the next 100 turns...
LegendofTotalWar here and today we have SYDC playing as Nakai with Sword of Khane.
@@KazeKoichi I'm going to guess none of this was addressed in an email. In the video Legend does say that he doesn't know if the wars were deliberate. In the end if it's not deliberate it would be a negative.
Another thing to consider with the sword of Khaine is whether or not you’re at war with the HE, especially Tyrion, and how good your armies would be against him. Playing as VC, Tyrion came at me with the sword and after beating him I realize if I didn’t keep the sword, Tyrion would get it again and come back in 10 turns with a stronger army. Sometimes it’s not about getting a cool, flashy weapon to flex on the enemy, it’s about denying the AI the ability to use that weapon against you.
Good point.
I've never seen Estalia alive by turn 247 lol
I was thinking about that too the whole video, how can they possibly still be alive? (Portugal and Spain) are usually the first ones to bite the dust, maybe they got saved by staying neutral and relying on other wars to not involve them.
You're welcome, gentleman.
If Clan Skyre and Pirates of Sartosa declare war to each other in the early game, they can have a very long stalemate. Sooner or later Belegar or Carcassone will declare war on them and if unprepared they can eliminate them.
"Weeeeeeeeeeeeeelcome
to Estaaaaaaaaliaaaaa
Krooooooxigoooors" - said a Slann with swag glasses and a big smile.
10/10 good boy lizard hulk
I agree with Legend about Sword of Kain bad, but i REALLY like the synergy with strong brawler infantry + magic buffing.
And crocs are cool, especially the Sacred ones.
damn that was a great battle im surprise a few kroxigor died great doomstack
I feel like any army that has Lord Kroak in it is just a Lord Kroak doomstack.
It's so crazy seeing a battle like that and then not even saving the replay - if I'd have won that battle id be watching that shit from every angle known to man
This is one of my favorite doomstacks on normal difficulty. SO much fun.
When legend decides to become sun tzu for 5 minutes
Lol Someone mentioned you'd end up doing this the other day.
This army can pretty much win the rest of the campaign for you on autoresolve
Not on legendary difficulty
@@changliu7346 doesn't matter. It won't autoresolve 3-4 high tier armies at once but the absolute majority of battles cam be stomped just by ordering them to attack as a blob
Dark Elf Deity Swords are not a basis for a good form of friendly government. [map hum is the circle of destruction near the moose factory of Churchill bay polar bears.. CA]
@legend i think nakai don't need relations with others. you only care about your relation to lizardmens. sacred kroxigors are realy quick to get too, early. i've played it once when it came out and it made sieging so easy and you can just pop out more sacred kroxigor stacks and just go with mass steam roll since you are a horde you dont need to stay in one place killing faction after faction instead of defending your derp vassal
Never smile at a crocodile oh don t u smile at a crocodile.....
I feel like anything remotely tanky with lord kroak is a doomstack. Not a doomstack in my opinion if kroak is the primary reason it works.
dumb opinion :D
Hey Legend do you think giving transformation of kodon the overcast fire dragon like table top did would help make beasts balanced.
As someone who enjoys playing Nakai, I have one major gripe with this campaign... why the heck has the person who sent this in, NOT gotten the faction buff for increased tribute from Vassals?
It's only 150 points for 3 turns, and by that stage of the game you'd get that much easily, there's near no reason not to get it
I did have it actually, I just sometimes forget about it. To be honest that mechanic is a little bit hidden... I didn't even know that you could click on those until halfway through this campaign!
@@jonathanslater5643 Ah, fair enough. Might as well add then that you can stack that buff to keep it going for a longer amount of turns - so if you have a stockpile of resources, you can click on the buff multiple times to have it going 15+ turns or so. You'll know its worn off when your income drops suddenly!
@@Bolty206 That's good to know, thanks!
Should be called the sword of legends pain😉👍
I just did a Nakai campaign on Very Hard. Had alliances with Maz and Gor, but they eventually declared war on my vassal faction and I had to fight them despite having a fantastic relationship with them. Is there a way to keep that from happening and to keep fellow Lizardmen from attacking your vassal?
How does he have Gor Rok as nakai?
my only problem with nakai is to find any oponent which isnt roflstomp... usualy i end up in chaos wastes beating chaos to the pulp with just nakais stack of 10 templeguard one scink wizard rest croxigors and and 20stack of carno riders, while intentional half stacks roam around the map and conquering cities just to provide finance...
I run this with just a single light mage spamming the attack and protection aura spells and it shreds most what can be sent against it.
any chance of a lizardmen legendary lord comparison ?
Gor-oq
*Confederate noises*
Win
doubt it, he often said mots legendary lords for lizardmen just pale in comparism to Life Slanns anyway ^^
@@lordfenix17 Since he starts with Kroak, the mobile nuke platform, that's probably the best choice. Just a blob of Saurus with the most powerful caster in the Warhammer world (at least in ye olde lore).
Problem with Lizardmen lords is you'd almost always rather be running a life slann as the doomstack lord
having lord kroak in any army is almost 2 doomstacks
Anyone else want to see Legend do a this is total war stream with Nakai now?
A kroak doomstack? Nice
this is total war Nakai campaign when?
After Throgg.
They did no damage to Tyrion because of the banners than imbues your army with fire damage.
Lets not get beastly wizard with the LTW.. im sure its a tease at your distain for a Beasti wizard.
Such a juicy lineup
the ads are too much. i cant watch. theres a 39 minute phone ad
Well of course Nakai The Wanderer is going to go to war against the High Elves alarielle the everqueen keeps calling out his name whenever she casts a spell and he be all like stop calling me
These are not Sacred Kroxigor. They are called Boxigors.
Sword of khaine is great for nakai, the diplomatic penalty does not do anything.
Agreed.
The problem is the vassal faction. They declare war on strange things all the time, and you're forced into war with anything they are. The Sword obviously isn't helping, but it's not the cause.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 hmm I have only done one long campaign with Nakai and the vassal played very passively the entire campaign, will do another Nakai campaign soon, it's been a while.
@@Lost7one
It could just be coincidence, but I've noticed VERY strange AI patterns in the last few games I've played, so maybe an update changed some things that might make a modern Nakai campaign strange, too.
Strange like Mazdamundi taking the entirety of Ulthwan and Alith Anar's coastline, Wulfric taking Estalia, Beastmen forming a successful, stable cityship in Araby and becoming trade partners with Dwarfs and Clan Skryre, Eatine carving out a section of the Empire to live there, and Clan Moulder owning Naggarond.
where is the life wizard in this army
You can't get a lore of life with a skink caster, only with a slaan mage priest as the lord. And I wanted to use Nakai for the fun of it, so that means no life wizard :(. They regen completely at the end of the battle though, even in enemy territory.
Is it even possible to have a life wizard in a Nakai army
@@jonathanslater5643 honestly, fair enough, outside of nakai/horde though, i assume a life slann would have been default for most here here just to top the health of these low entity monstrous infantry. i still like the kroxigor theme and concept regardless of effectiveness. (phone autocorrect edit)
@@IAmebAdger actually good question, normally you can boot and replace legendary lords with ones in your Lord pool like a life slann if you roll one in a rite but since he has a horde mechanic i cannot remember if it'll work the same for him (nakai)
I never understood why they gave lizard men covenant glassing beams
The end of this video when rating the doomstack is probably Legend's worst analysis of a doomstack. Defenders of the Great Plan are a separate faction so you can declare war on others w/o calling on your allies...
If Tomb Kings spammed trustworthy lords(and disbanded them), then sword of khaine might be okay.
Commenting for the algorithm
Strong army sure, but lizardmen have many other combinations that are far better doom stacks.
For most players this thing is booby trap. It looks so good but the thing is totally toxic.
Can we just all agree to stop sending legend sword of khaine fights?? I’m kind of tired of his rant about it 😂
Second
lül Robin, ima first
BRUUU
I think Nakai is underrated by most people, at least on a fun scale, power level is debatable.
Power level too, honestly. Horde replenishment is flat busted on a faction that DOESN'T have a horribly lacking roster.
The Vassal ain't much, but is really, really strong in the opening few turns, and tends to hover at right around bonking trash late game armies, too.
And the faction abilities/spells are super super strong, too.
Being able to pretty freely ignore the vassal losing territory if it's advantageous to you is also really good. Trading some random settlements you can retake anytime, for their Tier 5 Eatine, or Black Crag, that they'll retake at tier 1 is a really, really good trade.
@legendoftotalwar Tyrion took no damage because he has 102 melee defense and easily 60%+ ward save against magic fire damage which the kroxigors were doing. The phoenixes not only heal but also probably have around 75% maybe even more ward save against magic fire. It’s huge melee defense + resistances. I don’t know maybe shades would be good against Tyrion? Hawk rider doomstsck to snipe him? But the kroxigors weren’t “bad” against single entities per se it’s just the enemy had massive ward save.
Someone actually got him to play Nakai
He did two campaigns with nakai and they were the best
Nakai=/=Throgg
Nakai is my guy
@@slinkyslink5161 He's a monster. I played him the other day and completed a Very Hard campaign in maybe 3 hours just because he walked through EVERYTHING. I just had him, a Skink Priest, a Saurus Scar Veteran, and the rest were sacred Kroxigors. Absolutely devastating.
Welcome to Estalia, gentle-crocs.
I love when somebody sends in a lizardmen doomstack with Lord Kroak in it. This guy can probably make any army viable. Saurus-Stack + Kroak 7/10, Skinks+ Kroak even stronger, etc.
As much as I love Kroak, I feel like it undermines the spirit of a doomstack. A doomstack is meant to showcase the strength of one unit, and any other units in the army are only there to support that unit. Legend has even avoided using magic in previous videos for that very reason. I feel like that that point it's more like a "rate my army" than "rate my doomstack".
@@ninetailedfox579121 Kroak = JA17
The purpose of the 3 beast wizards was probably to cast Pann's Impenetrable Pelt (+22% physical resistance) constantly to buff the Kroxigor blob and also make it even faster. I guess if you have 3 casters you can do it constantly.
+ also triple amber spear can be useful
Triple Amber Spear would probably work pretty well for the single entities the Kroxigors seemed to struggle against
@@houndofculann1793 Maker said in another that was the use on latter,but former sounds amazing
Also Wild hearth passive grant the army a very fast recharge rate
how the heck did estalia survive 247 turns? thats impressive
That wind cast on the Helves at the start.
Nut
To be fair, Tyrion is going to be an absolute monster by turn 247. I've run into him several times late game and found him unbeatable by whatever faction I was using - just had to break his army.
I wonder how would giant lords like Nakai or Kholek use the sword of Khaine. Would they just glue it on the tip of their normal weapons? Would they attach it like a pole and use it like a spear? Or would they just use the sword like a toothpick and just poke people with it with their pinky fingers lifted up?
he would eat the sword of khaine, and absorve it's power
The Sword of khaine adapt his seize for his user
while i love the idea of it just being duct taped to the tip of the weapon or holding it between two claws like a toothpick, lore wise the sword of khaine has no fixed shape and would change to whatever fits best to its wielder. for nakai and kholek that would propably just be a quite big hammer... it can also be a lance, scepter or even spellbook though, the selling point is the power, not the fact that its a sword
@@StephanB2011 a spellbook? Don't Khaine dislikes magic and would prefer even a mage use it like a melee weapon? I know he's not Khorne (or isnt he :D) but still...
The sword of khaine morphs to become a weapon the wielder is comfortable with
Such a weird legendary lord
Naki is truly the best lizardlord in the game
Surely the beefier
this campaign is fine as someone that loves play nakai I always go for sword of kaine since nakai is the least liked of the order tide (he can't trade military access etc which improves diplomatic relations) everyone will prioritize either you or your vassal anyway. Besides losing a settlement as nakai means nothing but the empire losing aldorf sets them back in a major way. Even if they take it back it's tier 1 again. Nakai wins a war of attrition.
This army wouldnt beat Okoi's hero spam then xD
The banners of eternal flame probably hurt their dps alot against the high elf heavy hitters (Tyrion, Phoenixes, Dragon Princes). Should have probably removed them before this particular battle.
Since i usually dunk on you for your sword of khane phobia i guess its only fair to say it was nice to see a more objective opinion. The sword can be fun to mess with, penalties be damned. The mileage on a lord does vary greatly though
The sword of khaine isn't a bad pick for Nakai, given how eager *everyone* is to declare war on your vassal. Nakai by himself just so happens to be pretty underwhelming as melee lords go. His animations are just horribly inefficient and prone to get him stuck in enemy units.
Kroxigor's aren't meant to be used that way (not a criticism to legend btw ... more about the stack itself). They aren't treemen or hell ... even treekin. They are shock monstrous infantry that's supposed to be supported by other units. They don't fight great on their own ... especially in a prolonged engagement. They aren't meant to blob either, cause they end up blocking each other way too much.
This stack is purely carried on the shoulders of Kroak (and to a lesser extend SoK + Engine). I'm a fan of using Kroxigors myself (obviously best on Nakai), but spamming them actually weakens your stack by quite a lot. Lategame they work really well with Templeguard for example. Something that counters what Kroxigor's are weakest against (ie large single entities), while providing a buffer for them in longer engagements + serving as an anvil at the same time for those juicy rear charges.
Early on they work great with skinks. Same speed + buffer for them to do the best work they can.
think he meant using the pelt and the wildform spells on the kroxis aswell
There should be a screaming contest between Malekith, Drycha and Nakai
Put the cryxtol for the stalk. Make me feel like a real croc when I turn every battle into my “forced” ambush fighting style lol 😝
imma be real I feel like the beast wizards were severely underused here
Not going to watch a doomstack video with Sword of Khaine or Lord Kroak. Both at the same time is ridiculous.
Oh no.... they really sent u a nakai doomstack....
I play Nakai a lot, I like getting the sword of Khaine (because big dino swinging tiny sword), the diplomacy stuff is 110% true. Especially since Defenders of the Great Plan will have war declared on them quite a bit too. Late game, everyone is warring against me or the vassal, literally impossible to hold anything.
Problem of army philosophy.
Outside of the early game, Nakai does not "hold" territory. Don't bother yourself with protecting the vassal's territory. Just charge straight onto the heart of whatever faction is destroying them. Either their main army/ies will come back to deal with you and ne eaten by gators, or else you'll just gut their high end provinces and neuter their ability to recruit quality armies in record time. You come back to mop up whatever they took afterwards, or even better, have a secondary army whose job is retaking blobs of previously captured stuff.
Cant wait for Legend to rate my black coach doomstack
i would not call it a Sacred Kroxigor Doomstack. I would rather say "lord blap and Co"
And that's why you kill the empire first
In my current spirit of the jungle campaign the only wars I fought besides the ones I launched are those I was dragged into by the vassal due to its weakness and difference between power and settlements owned
Soooo... you're at war with everyone then?
@@sokar_rostau I'm not because I haven't met everyone yet. But I just finished taking Norsca and went down to kill the Vampire Counts when the Dwarfs declared war on my vassal, dragging the empire into it. So now I have to finish the dwarfs because they deserve it, then the Greenskins, and then I will probably deal with the empire since they are really bothering me by attacking my poor defenseless ally. And then I will finally take the entirety of Lustria to play as the true protector of the Lizardmen, if there are any left
@@albericdecarrere8436 "finally take Lustria to play as the true protector of the Lizardmen"
Last Defenders: _sad lizard noises_
kroxigor dundee is back
Can you only get these units with the nakai dlc?
Yep
@@jonathanslater5643 Awwwww. Ok ty friend :)
Well nakai works with sok Public order -8 (all provinces) (nakai has no public public order)
Diplomatic relations -40 with all factions(nakai tech tree gives +45 with all factions)
Upkeep +10% for all units (all armies)(nakai has 80% upkeep reduction on kroxigors and sacred kroxigors)
Curse of the Sword of Khaine
Darkness now dominates your soul, only death can release you from its grasp!
Character's aura leadership effect: -5 buhu
Public order -2 (local province) again no settlements
Attribute: Causes fear when fighting against High Elves i mean he already has that against everyone
Attribute: Causes fear when fighting against Wood Elves
nakai is a horde faction so the sword of khaine kinda makes sense for him i suppose
most of the time i pick it up because i just dont want to fight someone who has it
I actually used this one in my campaign. Less heroes than that though. But it was pretty nice. One fun thing about sacred kroxigors is for some reason in autoresolve they get huge amounts of experience. Just, rank 9 in 2 battles.
90% wardsave nakai and a pterodon heavens priest, plus the isabella regen trait is a better stack than what this guy made. Main reason is because they can still down 2-3 stacks, but because it is only 2 units they won't send as many.
YESSSSS FUCK YESSSS
Relationship its important
Fuck it its TOTAL WAR
Sword of Kheine is better on Gor Rok I think
I’ve got a nakai doomstack and it’s just ridiculous gave up on campaign after soloing legendary chaos invasion
I had an army similar to this, only I had blessed kroxigors and 3 dread saurians in the mix.
Those 3 dread saurians were the ones that helped me take out Tyrion when he had the sword of khaine at the end of the playthrough :D
7:53 Look where that Delivery of Pizza explodes. Why do some units go up in purple flames like Doomfire Warlocks? I feel like I've been seeing this effect for quite some time, even though no DElves are involved.
It's a bug that appeared after the last patch. Will probably be fixed soon.
They were way tougher than I expected!
Crocodile dundee is back
Assessment correct as it's definitely hindered the campaign, however I didn't get to see who tyrion was military allies with because he will declare war on most factions upon discovering them in my experience even with you are neutral to (+5 to 10) he could have dragged all these other factions into war against him, but either way that diplomatic penalty is doing no favors to ending the wars.
Don't lizardmen tech give +45?
apparently the owner of the campaign actually declared war on the order-tide in order to get a decent battle for the vid.
WELCOME TO ESTALIA, GATORMEN
What was the rating for the army, u didn't say?
He said 8/10 if the sword of khaine is taken out of the army.
he said 8 m8
0/10 needs more Swords of Khaine
8 out of 10 is pretty good for army like this
*Nakeye*
Welcome to Estalia lizardmen
My roomate watches you, this game looks so dumb
First
last
Impressive, your parents must be very proud.
@@narxes lol gud 1
No your not
I've never played Nakai, but I thought he couldn't confederate other lizardmen, being a horde. But this guy got Gor-Rok, so it's possible? Are their lands handed over to the vassal?
Yeah the vassal gets all the land, but you get the armies and heroes
@@jonathanslater5643 Thanks for the answer
You can confederate other lizardmen and they land goes to vassal with random temples built. But if your army capacity is not enough, their armies are going to be disbanded