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Re-posting here so you can hopefully see it: It would be very interesting to do a round of this but with the other vases that were made like copies, likely by the egyptians and that are in a softer material than granite. Can't remember what they are made of but they are white and clearly don't look as precisely made as the granite ones (they were featured in another one of your videos as a comparison). If you can see a difference between the two, that would support the tale of 2 industries theory.
I DIG the 8min intro and the music Ben, please keep it coming. Deos is awesome, I have given Fifty Dollar Dynasty a follow, thanks. But what's the name of the track that played prior to Deos, the really cool synth/techno track? It's insanely good to listen to while I'm sitting at my desk reconciling spreadsheets and wishing I was at the Sphinx instead 😆
Ben you and the Brothers have given me a lot of happiness. In the early 70's in my quest to find alt. history books I stumbled across Peter Tompkins pyramid books which led to Alfred Watkins and John Michell and a few others. I read what I could find which wasn't much and then in my 60's I found the Brothers channel which led to you. The vases have vindicated what I'd learned 40 yrs ago. Anyway long winded way of saying how grateful I am for your curiosity and inspired imagination and thoughtfulness.
your work of measuring the vases had prooven the hipothesis of anciant technological culture for any body that work with lathe and know the work -------well done ----i think you deserve a noble prize !!!!!
The undeniable proof is there, only problem is that the "official" mainstream archaeologists still refuses to recognize it. Because it will put the "life work" of many archaeologists that are in museums all around the world in question. They can't let that happen.
One thing that I want to stress, is this would not be technology as we know it. Everything was using natural forces. I think they knew alot about acoustics and forces like piezoelectric properties so who knows what they came up with. They knew about every flaura and fauna and the uses for each one. I doubt they had giant lathes like we do. I think they used processes a bit different than we would expect. They may even have had spiritual technology that we would probably consider magic today
There’s no ‘progression’. Afaiac it is established fact that they used high technology. What use it to repeat over and over that maybe they did? It’s obvious they did. The only question now is why has it been hidden? And who has hidden it? Everything points to the Vatican - they did many early digs - they hid all the tech and lied to us. It’s obvious.
Ben, you need a top mineralogist on the case. One who isn't beholden to the Academy. One more thing. Has anybody mentioned the sheer number of these artifacts. It implies they were "Knockin 'em out" in large numbers because they were easy for them to make.
@@speku87 Anybody who has had a third level education is connected to, and has been processed by the Academy. It is supposed to be a body of learning. Similar to judges being part of the judiciary. Both bodies have been corrupted.
I run a community archaeology group and we are excavating a series of multi-phase stone cut features that appear to go back at least 4,000 years. The first people I invited on-site were geologists and local stone quarrying specialists for their advice. I felt it important to understand the physical characteristics of the geology and the cutting techniques of the stonework. In our case early quarrying was carried out using pounding stones with much later work showing metal pick marks. Having experts who understand the raw material was of great help in formulating theories as to the form and function of the archaeology. We also just talk to local people who can sometimes offer interesting and useful feedback. This approach certainly works for us.
some random australian man decides he's fascinated by the wonders of stone work, proceeds to literally be so fascinated that he pushes forward scientific and historical research in new innovative ways, testing both the limits of our ancestors abilities & the limits of our own. Also it's quite fun to see your love for technogy, Always pursing the cutting edge of technology, though I imagine you never could've assumed in pursuing the cutting edge of technology you'd end up looking to our oldest moments of our past. Looking forward to you book, There's a lot of compelling information waiting to be layed out for people to observe To everyone else, Remember when you look at all the advanced tech in this video, its okay to be overwhelmed. Ben didn't jump in and learn all this instantly overnight (though it's certainly likely he's had sleepless nights researching and obsessing over stuff). Ben comes from the computer tech world, explored the world and found interest in the wonders he found. Not having a footing or basis he learned as he could, developing further and more technical understanding over time, yet in walking away from advanced computers towards ancient stones, it hasn't taken him away from the path of technology, instead he keeps getting thrust deeper into technological advancements. He's not using the tech just because he thinks it's cool (though I'm certain he finds it cool), he's using the advanced technology because it's critical to use it to properly measure and understand the relics of our ancestors.
This is truly groundbreaking work. Huge kudos to you. These studies would never be funded as they go against the official story and big money funding only backs the official story hacks. But you get them done which I am truly grateful for. Love it!
Astonishing findings! May you keep all this going Ben. Can't wait to see what all comes out of this. The mainstreams don't know how to do these or neither have the tools/ equipment to back up what they usually claim anyway so this is much needed and beautiful work!
The amount of different metals found on the "pottery" shards is so intresting, of course contamination has to be considered as a possibility, but so is the use of alloys, and due to amount of them is actually a more plausible one, for the joy of all archeologists.. As far as the niche argument I certainly agree, but also to consider is the growth of both your channel and yourself since you started this journey, which are quite phenomenal, and while I'm a certified nobody, I still have a few decades of research on this topic, and I recognize passion and seriousness when I encounter them. You started with quite an advantage over other people doing similar work, first is the quality of your footage, that has always been great and it's not something to overlook, but in my opinion your strongest point has always been your seriousness, because even though you have your own biases (but let's be real, who doesn't), you've always been objective, talking logic and evidence over emotion, narrative and authority, your approach has always been scientific, something I'm sure still gives many sleepless nights to all the various experts with "funny letters" before their names, either they'll admit it or not, and it's great to see where all this has brought you, with collabs and opportunities you probably dreamt of during your early days, proving for the millionth time that hard work and dedication will always pay off in the long run. All this to say that even though this is definitely a niche subject, it's still one followed by millions of people, as Hancock's books sales proves, and being totally fair I guarantee you will reach a point in your career where you will no doubt sell millions of books, because you are a trusted source, you've proven to be honest, and you're finally giving us answers to questions that have been bothering us and our families for about a whole fkn century! 😅 and I'm specifically talking about the vases here, as my father before me (he's almost 80 while I'm almost 50) geeked over, asking our very same questions about their manufacturing after witnessing them at the Cairo museum in the 70s. I remember clearly that when I got into the megalithic rabbit hole when I was 13/14 years old, he told me that most of the stuff from the 2 books I picked from his library (both Peter Kolosimo) had been sorta debunked except for the vases and few other topics. Of course it was the late 80s or early 90s, so a Nat geo article used to carry enough weight to change people's opinions about controversial topics such as these were/are, we didn't have internet and instant access to information to chose for ourself what is and what isn't right or debunked (I fkn hate that term). Anyhow, you still maintained an humble attitude, or better yet, your own humble attitude, during these past few years of YT, something that didn't pass unnoticed and that we obviously all appreciate. The crew studying the Barabar caves have imo as good of a chance of success, as they are also using modern precision equipment to finally "crack the code" of ancient tech, they just need a bit more exposure, and the collab with Jahannah was a great move in my opinion. This of course if Patrice even cares, as like most of us seems unbothered by success and views it just as a better chance to progress with his research, which is my point anyway, if you guys sell millions of books you can better fund your projects. But enough of this.. So right then, after this long @ss ki$$ing session!! 😂 (some self irony is always good) wishing ya all the best 👍🏻🖤🏴☠️
Very nice comment. Long but worth reading. Another no one here thinks that, sooner than later, Ben is going to get the credit he deserves. It's going to be turbulent times when we all wake up and realize that we are way too much exposed to the cosmic elements. Our existence is very, very fragile.
the fully intact vases with the golden inlays are remarkable, it explains why all the lids, handle inserts and base stands are completely missing, this is also why these vessels are commonly discovered as piles of rubble, plundered for their golden bits
Exactly. I came to this theory after I saw some of the smaller jars with gold lids. This is why we’ve found so few. Because people took all the gold from them.
At the company I am working for, we make tempered steel sleeves in diameter up to 1,5m and similar length. cylindrical outside and conical inside with a wall thickness of 50 to 150mm. The curcuferential wall thickness tolerance is 2,5 micron. That is only posible if inside and outside is grinded simultaniusly. Otherwise the material will be pushed off the tool. And every othe parameter is to observe as well, like rpm of the grindstones stiffness of the toolrest and so on. And keep in mind that steel is not bridle...... very impressive......😳
Check the thin parts of the vase for fragments of DOLERITE POUNDIN' STONES they're an ancient technology used for precision shaping, cutting, grinding, splitting the atom and lifting large blocks.
His theory is better than the narrative that modern archaeologists repeat from rich 1800's hobbyist digging int the sand. It more that you cant see that a linear human progression might not be true and that people made technology in the past then lost it again from a world wide cataclysm.
@@Craig6844 heck just look at how advanced the Greeks were getting before something happened. They were right on the edge of an industrial revolution. Fast forward 800 years and the late antique little ice age has everyone barely hanging on. People of the midevil times must've looked in awe at the Roman aqueducts and buildings the Roman's had erected, 1000 years before them. It's happened in recorded times yet they pretend to know all and say no advanced civilization existed. This is because of the turmoil in Europe at the time these sciences were being formed. They disregarded any cataclysmic approach to what was being discovered because of how tumultuous society had been with the wars and revolutions. Archeology is a fraud science.
i work with CNC every day to the micron. they would of had to have some type of matching bearings to get this type of precision. The bearings would have to match in any direction there is a load.
I'm kind of waiting for a CNC specialist to actually try to make a similar wase from some kind of hard stone, just to see what happens and if its even possible... I'm aware of the chinese attempt in which they didn't even try the inside since that seemed too challenging... wink, wink 🙂
I was a metal machinist for many years, and I have to say that what see here cant be done by a cutting tool to that presision spec. A better guess would be some type of internal grinder. I know that you arent a machinist so you would not realize how difficult it would be to get this much accuracy out if a cutting tool. I know of no machine tools that would have some deflection in the cutting tool or the mounting system that holds and rotates the work piece. With that,I can say the as a grinder operator, different kinds of additional support for the work piece or grinder headstock would be needed. This is way beyond anything Im aware of in modern machining. Some sort of CNC machine would be required, which is somrthing Chris Dunn could speak to better than I.
Our current civilisation is far beyond being an intelligent community / species, just look on how so called "knowing" people are ruled by their arrogance, their opinion and their bank account.
The ID would have to been done first to minimize distortion and flex. Then a bladder inserted to again minimize distortion and flex. (sometimes done with fine or complex wood turning) (machining metals it's tool bar flex and how rigid is the machine when working Aerospace or Medical components, exotic materials)
I saw a large excavator abandoned near a fishing lake last week. The farmer told me itd been there 20 years. The trees and plants had grown through it, it was rusted beyond recognition. It was so deteriorated in only 20 years. In 5000 years itll be gone. Annoys me when archaeologists say where are the tools. Theyd be long gone. Stones the only thing that lasts
I’ve said this so many times and people in the "scientific community" just laughed like I was stupid. I made the same comparison to old cars I found in the woods. I’m sure that sand over there will wear machines down to dust even quicker
@@Sumofabish titanium and tungsten should be corrosion resistant in a dry or wet environment , reckon if i was a pharaoh id be buried with some tech and a titanium necklace if possible rather than a mummified cat
@@darthtiberius3716 your not gonna move a 50 ton block because you dropped your chisel down the back of it and when thousands of workers are hard at it tools get lost and that's one constant in construction throughout history
Sent it to a friend of mine, studies history. He responded with "Oh, this guy again." and didn't bother to watch. I suppose the science of archaeology suffers from hubris.
Modern "trust the science" Archaeologists are off the charts arrogant, AND ignorant. Their profession is becoming a laughing stock because of it. 10,000 years from now they'll unearth the ruins of London and falsely conclude that it was built by all the syrians and indians buried there. And anyone who tries to argue otherwise will be deemed a "racist pseudo-scientist"
People who study archeology don't have the brains, the IQ,/"tt real mathematical thinking of other areas of science and are always negative about things that are too complicated
Really interesting analysis Ben, it's no coincidence that the non-rock elements detected i.e. Titanium, Zirconium & Iron are all fairly high on the Mohs hardness scale. Ideal elements for an alloy used in a cutting or grinding tool by the ancients. Would be good to see you partner with a PhD in this field and publish a paper with your results to bring your discoveries into the public sphere, for better or worse.
Just started watching this after coming here after seeing Dan's "I Was Wrong About Ben's Ancient Egyptian Vases" video where the result was "My mind on the subject hasn't changed.". Especially looking forward for the "sciencey bits" that apparently bores Dan and he ignores. Thankful to you and all involved who are seeking to increase our knowledge and depth of information that will help expand our understanding of the Universe and our place within it.
Decades of experience in machine work tells me that mechanical force milling cannot produce such things as the vases. The work piece would necessarily shatter. Flat grinding is orders of magnitude less complicated than what the vessels exhibit. Seems to me that the intended content of the vessels is the artifact itself. A very durable record of highly sophisticated technology, mathematics, and universal knowledge.
it wouldnt shatter if one could soften the material. not saying it's geopolymer, either. just that maybe something was done to the vase while it was being shaped so it wouldn't shatter.
They did it because it was easy. They probably used these* for bullshit purposes. Trash cans. Water jugs. Something banal. We’ve yet to find the artifacts between the vases and the pyramids.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle I'm wondering if these were actually castings. I'm starting to wonder if the ancients knew how to cast perfect stone. Nothing about these vases seems to point to machining unless it was highly sophisticated machining.
Why would it necessarily shatter? Why couldn't you just brace the stone while it is being worked? Why couldnt you just use a smaller and harder bit at a higher RPM? I think some of the other characteristics of the vases prove beyond any doubt that the vases were spun and that the tool was on an arm.
Ben....the door your opening is so fascinating and interesting and you and the rest of the people who are searching for the real facts are the real experts on human existence and hopefully it opens more eyes
The small vases to me are the most insane. What possible use case justifies such an enormous input of resources to produce. Whoever had them made new were ultra-ballers, probably the biggest ballers in history.
Love the idea that back then everyone else had vases made of exotic materials and the stone ones were considered the cheap alternative. Sort of like how in a thousand years, all the exercise machines will be gone, but lead dumbbells will still be around.
when I look at those super tiny versions, they remind me of something I'd see my little niece playing with among her dolls, like they were made for kids
I think they are resonant sound tuning forks. They fit perfectly in Chris Dunn's theory on the pyramids. They would hang them on strings using the tiny holes in the side in a chamber.
This kind of investigation is infinitely more impressive and productive than the pointless talking heads who think so highly of themselves for doing so little.. This is legit investigative work! This is what the self described skeptics used to promote, even if they were otherwise disagreeable.
The Blue Lotus of Sakkara is also a small restaurant in a lovely garden close to the Sakkara pyramid complex. A lovely old half egyptian half Swedish man runs it with his wife. He speaks fluent English, and grows the Blue lotus in his garden. The story behind it is, that when the Blue lotus growns in the Nile again, there will be prosparity and peace. Or something along those lines. He tells the story better then me, really worth a visit.
Great presentation, Ben! You have several valid arguments with mainstream academic Egyptology. I have raised some of the same objections myself in my studies over the years. I do appreciate your work, as well as Hancock & Bauval, and Dr. Schoch, J.A. West and others in the 1990s. Zahi Hawass knows a lot more than he is telling, and Mark Lehner holds the line with academia. In the 1990s, I was associated with Joseph Davidovits and Margie Morris. In the 1980s I was associated with Professor Dee Jay Nelson, and we were actually planning an expedition to the Serapeum in Saqqara in Egypt in summer of 1989 when he suddenly died of a heart attack in June, and the trip was cancelled. We were on the same track as you, we were going to study and document the great black stone box sarcophagi of the sacred Apis bulls there, to measure and document their dimensions for an engineer in Texas to confirm that they were actually built with unknown advanced technology.
Congrats on the 500k, mostly deserved. Ben, your work might be "niche" but certainly it's important, daring and should get real attention from academia. Keep asking the uncomfortable questions, that's how science moves forward.
Each year your delving deeper and deeper into the prehistory and enigma that is OUR Shared human achievements that that they continue to keep from us! Thank you so much for continuing to beat the drum. I also love 50 Dollar Dynasty!
4 tenths of a micron …. To give this perspective, if the vase lip were expanded 8000 times larger from 126 millimeters across to 1 km across, then the difference in measurements would expand from 4 tenths of a micron to 3.2 millimeters or an eighth of an inch.
Wow Ben, been following for a very long time. Would love to see a fundraiser button on the side of the videos, in order to start purchasing scientific equipment for the channel! the lore of the channel is what got me here in the beginning. But the precision is keeping me here! Goodluck brother!
I’ve been following you for several years, your doing great work. Wouldn’t it be interesting to we find similar vessels somewhere in the Americas? Are you aware of any such findings?
The experts should go in first before archaeologists. Stone masons, geologists, scientists, structural engineers all should gather the data then give it to archaeologists to tell the story. Thats what archaeologists are. Story tellers.
Yes exactly what I've always thought. You can tell by the way they nervously and angrily protect their 'scientific discipline' that some of them at least are aware of the skepticism they're held in.
I really like the intro music and sound byte collage in the beginning. If you by some chance are not familiar with Negativland, you really should listen to a bunch of their stuff. But their most recent album The World Will Decide is superb.
That's Kyle from brothers kf the serpent podcast that Ben has collabed with before. The other brother Russ is in the band too. 50 dollar dynasty. Check em out.
A fusion reactor, setup in the middle of a marbled floor room with sliding doors to the swimming pool, operators walking around in hawaii shirts and flip flops. Someone is living the dream and not giving a fuck.
@@ImEnemy608 nah, the post-WWII American dream is over for the most part. now the government can just outlaw people from working by declaring their way of life "non essential", then if that doesn't apply to you, it'll require you take an experimental medication in order to maintain employment. *ask me how i know.*
Utterly fascinating to think that some of these vases probably had valuable metal inlays, which might be why so many of them are smashed. It puts into perspective that the ancients may have had stonework that is *much* more complex than these vases, and perhaps the perceived simplicity of these vases is what allowed them to remain undisturbed for so long.
I enjoyed the intro to this one and didn't skip ahead because you initially included the names of the sites being shown (The hook.), giving us viewers, who will never see them in person, the experience of slowly walking through the site while gazing around at the various artifacts. Do more of this please. So many TH-camrs are in a rush and their videos reflect this. And yeah, that music is amazingly haunting.
I understand. I was happy all the way through, and I liked how he mentioned that he was coming to the answer and hang in there. I didn't see an anxious chat or any demands being made. I thought everyone had fun despite the history in the making taking place.
The technology used on the ancient vases is literally awesome. These artifacts point to a time when humans could do this level of work and do it on a mass production scale. The cataclysms that separate us from them happened and will happen again.
@@Vision_2 The event that spelled the extinction of many different mega-fauna. The rise of sea levels all over the world, submerging populated areas. The formation of the Scablands in the northwestern US. Among other events.
BEN. well done my friend. This is science well done. Proofs, evidence and where what is lacking and in what ways... ANYONE calling this type of "alternative " research, unscientific, i challenge to watch this video all the way through and then provide us with your "mainstream " procedure that debunks it or proves otherwise.
You know what...? I was sitting here, listening to the regret resonate. Regret that archaeologists are not taking part in this investigation. If they were with you, right there, they could maybe pick up on one of your questions with further information. Aside from not helping with provenance, their participation could unlock a bunch of stuff. But hey ... they're not scientists. Right?!
Current archeologists are total but t 🤯. So many have their eyes, ears and mouths closed. I don’t understand why they would not want to be involved in groundbreaking research. They have a degree in putzolgy. And archaeologists could have applied for funding to look for metal remnants in these vases or vases that are stored in museums. There’s plenty of these out of place artifacts in museums all over the world that they could borrow or study right in the museum itself apply for crowdfunding if necessary people are always interested in searching for answers. You don’t have to apply For traditional funding through some sort of ridiculous University. There’s plenty of private funding available for groundbreaking research in our communities.
@@LMO-f8p I hear you. And yes, clearly this in underway. However, proving provenance is a key part to unlocking the willingness to deepen the research. And while perhaps they do not need to be a part of that to do some great research, I think having them collaborate (meaning applying their records and processes alongside what, Ben is doing) and authenticate would be extremely important. Our history is key to moving forward: Carlson; Hancock; Howard... and so many more - understand this and are passionate about it. We need to take this opportunity and not squander it through illogical and inappropriate nonsense. Thanks for your comment.
This would fit very well with Land of Chems theories of chemically altered metals to create harder Alloys for tools. A very interesting start and I can’t wait to see you increase the sample size and data set. Also interesting note. Titanium Iron Alloy would be very strong and corrosion resistant. And would go a way to explaining how they could cut granite.
I think US military already know who made these precise stuff, and they didnt like when they found out more about them. The strange part of our history have been so weird stagnant or gas lighted since WW2 were won.
Now, with a more serious hat on. I have serious concerns about the idea of elemental metal fragments in a sample of 5000 years plus. Iron would inevitably be rusted and present as iron oxide. Similarly, zinc as zinc oxide. They would not be present as elements. Titanium is highly reactive to oxygen but is passivated by an impermeable oxide layer. This layer thickens over time and the best I could find is that it would be 250 angstroms thick (25nm) in 4 years. After 5000 years would the sample have completely oxidized - needs an expert? Anyway, you see the problems - metals, yes, but they would generally be there as oxides so why didn’t you see that? Titanium oxide is ubiquitous in the modern world. It’s all over surfaces in paint. If you wear white latex gloves it’s embedded in the latex. If you use SPF creams and lotions it’s all over your skin. So contamination is a massive issue if, in reality, you are looking at TiO2 not at metallic titanium, so you really have to be very sure about that.
It would be interesting to examine how the machining tool marks (or whatever process) lines contour and transition from the cylindrical/conical (turned) portion of a vase over the handles to try to determine path of tool work and therefore machine capability/process aspects…. Might learn something significant…
Years ago, I was involved with machining gray cast iron down to 4 micron. That was the best we could get because the iron became unstable at that precision. The material literally was incapable of holding its shape. You may well have reached the point where the vase material is unstable, even though the machining process was capable of doing better.
Ben van Kerkwyk. This name may become one of the names that future students will have to remember. Spelling errors will result in points being deducted. 🤪
Using high technology to debunk copper tools When clearly the vase or pots along with the statuse where machined with computer programs and laser lathes
Not far into this video yet but have you tested stone drilled with sand and copper tube to see how it looked compared to the ancient ones? We know for a fact that you can drill granite with a copper tube and sand so an actual microscopic comparison is the only way you can say for fact it was or wasn't done that way.
You would think you would find copper impeded in the stone as a result, but for true scientific testing to obliterate the current narrative it is needed.
@@kingslayya6876 was you in too much of a hurry to be negative to take the time to read the whole comment? First, as far as the spirals go, I've seen just as compelling videos by debunkers with a string showing parallel rings not spirals. I personally don't believe the mainstream explanation. So I was suggesting using science to prove or dispute a theory. USING FEELINGS OR UNEDUCATED GUESSES DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING!
@andrewshedron425 it's not my feeling or guess look at the surface they are measuring in just this video alone. ask yourself what you think it would take to work granite to such a fine degree that it takes an electron microscope to find inclusions and 'tool marks'. and then consider that no copper residues were found here. after that extrapolate outwards what this could mean for other anomalies being found at locations cross the globe
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I've seen a few comments about the 'long intro.' Understand how livestreams work - they're scheduled, and people have to join the stream. I run an intro to allow people to join on time. In this case, the 8 minute intro started 8 minutes before the scheduled time to start. That gets included in the replay. If you don't like music and cool footage, feel free to skip it forward 8 minutes.
I like music and cool footage🤗
Re-posting here so you can hopefully see it:
It would be very interesting to do a round of this but with the other vases that were made like copies, likely by the egyptians and that are in a softer material than granite. Can't remember what they are made of but they are white and clearly don't look as precisely made as the granite ones (they were featured in another one of your videos as a comparison). If you can see a difference between the two, that would support the tale of 2 industries theory.
@@maxfern5701alabaster or white calcite.
Deios rocks!
serpent bros can rock!
I DIG the 8min intro and the music Ben, please keep it coming. Deos is awesome, I have given Fifty Dollar Dynasty a follow, thanks. But what's the name of the track that played prior to Deos, the really cool synth/techno track? It's insanely good to listen to while I'm sitting at my desk reconciling spreadsheets and wishing I was at the Sphinx instead 😆
Ben you and the Brothers have given me a lot of happiness. In the early 70's in my quest to find alt. history books I stumbled across Peter Tompkins pyramid books which led to Alfred Watkins and John Michell and a few others. I read what I could find which wasn't much and then in my 60's I found the Brothers channel which led to you.
The vases have vindicated what I'd learned 40 yrs ago.
Anyway long winded way of saying how grateful I am for your curiosity and inspired imagination and thoughtfulness.
The vases are the smoking gun in my opinion.
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your work of measuring the vases had prooven the hipothesis of anciant technological culture for any body that work with lathe and know the work -------well done ----i think you deserve a noble prize !!!!!
@@nirprizant4228 Nobel.
@@nirprizant4228 Nobel
The undeniable proof is there, only problem is that the "official" mainstream archaeologists still refuses to recognize it. Because it will put the "life work" of many archaeologists that are in museums all around the world in question. They can't let that happen.
One thing that I want to stress, is this would not be technology as we know it. Everything was using natural forces. I think they knew alot about acoustics and forces like piezoelectric properties so who knows what they came up with. They knew about every flaura and fauna and the uses for each one.
I doubt they had giant lathes like we do. I think they used processes a bit different than we would expect.
They may even have had spiritual technology that we would probably consider magic today
Ben, been following you for a while and you never disappoint!!! In fact always progessing!!!! Cheers!!!!
There’s no ‘progression’. Afaiac it is established fact that they used high technology. What use it to repeat over and over that maybe they did? It’s obvious they did. The only question now is why has it been hidden? And who has hidden it? Everything points to the Vatican - they did many early digs - they hid all the tech and lied to us. It’s obvious.
into songs a banger! Excited to see new content Ben! thanks as always
That's Kyle from brothers of the serpent. Russ is in the band also. They have many good songs.
Brothers of the serpent! That's it
Just listened to their album, Precession! It's phenomenal, check out Fifty Dollar Dynasty
Ben, you need a top mineralogist on the case. One who isn't beholden to the Academy.
One more thing. Has anybody mentioned the sheer number of these artifacts. It implies they were "Knockin 'em out" in large numbers because they were easy for them to make.
Seems very much like a factory operation. This was not a couple of guys in a tent.
We mention that a lot...
wtf is the "academy" ?
@@speku87 Anybody who has had a third level education is connected to, and has been processed by the Academy. It is supposed to be a body of learning. Similar to judges being part of the judiciary. Both bodies have been corrupted.
@@TheDAT9 oh thats some US stuff. Good Thing aegypt isnt in the us and Most people Research on that topic arent US.
I run a community archaeology group and we are excavating a series of multi-phase stone cut features that appear to go back at least 4,000 years. The first people I invited on-site were geologists and local stone quarrying specialists for their advice. I felt it important to understand the physical characteristics of the geology and the cutting techniques of the stonework. In our case early quarrying was carried out using pounding stones with much later work showing metal pick marks. Having experts who understand the raw material was of great help in formulating theories as to the form and function of the archaeology. We also just talk to local people who can sometimes offer interesting and useful feedback. This approach certainly works for us.
some random australian man decides he's fascinated by the wonders of stone work, proceeds to literally be so fascinated that he pushes forward scientific and historical research in new innovative ways, testing both the limits of our ancestors abilities & the limits of our own.
Also it's quite fun to see your love for technogy, Always pursing the cutting edge of technology, though I imagine you never could've assumed in pursuing the cutting edge of technology you'd end up looking to our oldest moments of our past. Looking forward to you book, There's a lot of compelling information waiting to be layed out for people to observe
To everyone else, Remember when you look at all the advanced tech in this video, its okay to be overwhelmed. Ben didn't jump in and learn all this instantly overnight (though it's certainly likely he's had sleepless nights researching and obsessing over stuff). Ben comes from the computer tech world, explored the world and found interest in the wonders he found. Not having a footing or basis he learned as he could, developing further and more technical understanding over time, yet in walking away from advanced computers towards ancient stones, it hasn't taken him away from the path of technology, instead he keeps getting thrust deeper into technological advancements. He's not using the tech just because he thinks it's cool (though I'm certain he finds it cool), he's using the advanced technology because it's critical to use it to properly measure and understand the relics of our ancestors.
What are you talking about? about worship? then I can recommend Islam or Christianity.
I'm of the opinion that Ben is exploring the most recent developments of a now extinct generation which predates our own.
Congrats on 500k, Ben! Your videos have provided me with escape in some really hard times. Thank you so much, loved watching this channel grow! Love 🤍
Never ever,feel alone,--your "tough-times"-will evaporate !!--we,on this great channel ''of truth"-are on your side !!
Agree tough times. All we can do is to stay as strong as possible 🌅
Same here, going through immense stress in this life right now. love this stuff.
This is truly groundbreaking work. Huge kudos to you. These studies would never be funded as they go against the official story and big money funding only backs the official story hacks. But you get them done which I am truly grateful for. Love it!
If you look up Andesite vases these exact looking ones pop up. They're from volcanoes. Andesite has titanium and the other metals found here in them.
Pottery analysis is carried out today so not sure what you mean
Stream starts at 8:30
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Though the opening track with voice compilations is quite cool
Astonishing findings! May you keep all this going Ben. Can't wait to see what all comes out of this. The mainstreams don't know how to do these or neither have the tools/ equipment to back up what they usually claim anyway so this is much needed and beautiful work!
BEN !!-THANK YOU & ALL YOUR FRIENDS,-FOR THIS INCREDABLE "HARD-WORK"-WE LOVE THIS "ENLIGHTENING"-WORK !!
The amount of different metals found on the "pottery" shards is so intresting, of course contamination has to be considered as a possibility, but so is the use of alloys, and due to amount of them is actually a more plausible one, for the joy of all archeologists..
As far as the niche argument I certainly agree, but also to consider is the growth of both your channel and yourself since you started this journey, which are quite phenomenal, and while I'm a certified nobody, I still have a few decades of research on this topic, and I recognize passion and seriousness when I encounter them.
You started with quite an advantage over other people doing similar work, first is the quality of your footage, that has always been great and it's not something to overlook, but in my opinion your strongest point has always been your seriousness, because even though you have your own biases (but let's be real, who doesn't), you've always been objective, talking logic and evidence over emotion, narrative and authority, your approach has always been scientific, something I'm sure still gives many sleepless nights to all the various experts with "funny letters" before their names, either they'll admit it or not, and it's great to see where all this has brought you, with collabs and opportunities you probably dreamt of during your early days, proving for the millionth time that hard work and dedication will always pay off in the long run.
All this to say that even though this is definitely a niche subject, it's still one followed by millions of people, as Hancock's books sales proves, and being totally fair I guarantee you will reach a point in your career where you will no doubt sell millions of books, because you are a trusted source, you've proven to be honest, and you're finally giving us answers to questions that have been bothering us and our families for about a whole fkn century! 😅 and I'm specifically talking about the vases here, as my father before me (he's almost 80 while I'm almost 50) geeked over, asking our very same questions about their manufacturing after witnessing them at the Cairo museum in the 70s. I remember clearly that when I got into the megalithic rabbit hole when I was 13/14 years old, he told me that most of the stuff from the 2 books I picked from his library (both Peter Kolosimo) had been sorta debunked except for the vases and few other topics. Of course it was the late 80s or early 90s, so a Nat geo article used to carry enough weight to change people's opinions about controversial topics such as these were/are, we didn't have internet and instant access to information to chose for ourself what is and what isn't right or debunked (I fkn hate that term). Anyhow, you still maintained an humble attitude, or better yet, your own humble attitude, during these past few years of YT, something that didn't pass unnoticed and that we obviously all appreciate.
The crew studying the Barabar caves have imo as good of a chance of success, as they are also using modern precision equipment to finally "crack the code" of ancient tech, they just need a bit more exposure, and the collab with Jahannah was a great move in my opinion. This of course if Patrice even cares, as like most of us seems unbothered by success and views it just as a better chance to progress with his research, which is my point anyway, if you guys sell millions of books you can better fund your projects. But enough of this..
So right then, after this long @ss ki$$ing session!! 😂 (some self irony is always good) wishing ya all the best 👍🏻🖤🏴☠️
Very nice comment. Long but worth reading. Another no one here thinks that, sooner than later, Ben is going to get the credit he deserves. It's going to be turbulent times when we all wake up and realize that we are way too much exposed to the cosmic elements. Our existence is very, very fragile.
If it is about loving /worshipping him you might want to consider asking him if he wants to marry you.
@@bvonline have you asked god to marry you?
Legend Intro. As always top notch presented material . TYVM
the fully intact vases with the golden inlays are remarkable, it explains why all the lids, handle inserts and base stands are completely missing, this is also why these vessels are commonly discovered as piles of rubble, plundered for their golden bits
ironically the vases are more valuable than any gold bling they might have.
Exactly. I came to this theory after I saw some of the smaller jars with gold lids. This is why we’ve found so few. Because people took all the gold from them.
Wow! I am intrigued - will wait patiently for your comprehensive assessment on results. Loved the intro music. Thanks Ben - Peace :)
At the company I am working for, we make tempered steel sleeves in diameter up to 1,5m and similar length. cylindrical outside and conical inside with a wall thickness of 50 to 150mm. The curcuferential wall thickness tolerance is 2,5 micron. That is only posible if inside and outside is grinded simultaniusly. Otherwise the material will be pushed off the tool. And every othe parameter is to observe as well, like rpm of the grindstones stiffness of the toolrest and so on. And keep in mind that steel is not bridle...... very impressive......😳
Check the thin parts of the vase for fragments of DOLERITE POUNDIN' STONES they're an ancient technology used for precision shaping, cutting, grinding, splitting the atom and lifting large blocks.
They also provide precision astral alignments, don'tcha know.
They also can be used to determine longitude.
His theory is better than the narrative that modern archaeologists repeat from rich 1800's hobbyist digging int the sand. It more that you cant see that a linear human progression might not be true and that people made technology in the past then lost it again from a world wide cataclysm.
@@Craig6844 heck just look at how advanced the Greeks were getting before something happened.
They were right on the edge of an industrial revolution.
Fast forward 800 years and the late antique little ice age has everyone barely hanging on.
People of the midevil times must've looked in awe at the Roman aqueducts and buildings the Roman's had erected, 1000 years before them.
It's happened in recorded times yet they pretend to know all and say no advanced civilization existed.
This is because of the turmoil in Europe at the time these sciences were being formed.
They disregarded any cataclysmic approach to what was being discovered because of how tumultuous society had been with the wars and revolutions.
Archeology is a fraud science.
Dolerite pounding stones were strictly used for ceremonial or religious purposes.
Bahaha
i work with CNC every day to the micron. they would of had to have some type of matching bearings to get this type of precision. The bearings would have to match in any direction there is a load.
I'm kind of waiting for a CNC specialist to actually try to make a similar wase from some kind of hard stone, just to see what happens and if its even possible... I'm aware of the chinese attempt in which they didn't even try the inside since that seemed too challenging... wink, wink 🙂
I was a metal machinist for many years, and I have to say that what see here cant be done by a cutting tool to that presision spec. A better guess would be some type of internal grinder. I know that you arent a machinist so you would not realize how difficult it would be to get this much accuracy out if a cutting tool. I know of no machine tools that would have some deflection in the cutting tool or the mounting system that holds and rotates the work piece. With that,I can say the as a grinder operator, different kinds of additional support for the work piece or grinder headstock would be needed. This is way beyond anything Im aware of in modern machining. Some sort of CNC machine would be required, which is somrthing Chris Dunn could speak to better than I.
nah they did it by smashing it with rocks and saying ooga ooga, it said so in my science book haha
Right?! Having a 0.1 micron accuracy is absolutly nuts!
There's an interesting video Ben did with Chris Dunn in the place he worked. Doing measurements with several technical people.
Our current civilisation is far beyond being an intelligent community / species, just look on how so called "knowing" people are ruled by their arrogance, their opinion and their bank account.
The ID would have to been done first to minimize distortion and flex. Then a bladder inserted to again minimize distortion and flex. (sometimes done with fine or complex wood turning) (machining metals it's tool bar flex and how rigid is the machine when working Aerospace or Medical components, exotic materials)
I saw a large excavator abandoned near a fishing lake last week. The farmer told me itd been there 20 years. The trees and plants had grown through it, it was rusted beyond recognition. It was so deteriorated in only 20 years. In 5000 years itll be gone. Annoys me when archaeologists say where are the tools. Theyd be long gone. Stones the only thing that lasts
I’ve said this so many times and people in the "scientific community" just laughed like I was stupid. I made the same comparison to old cars I found in the woods. I’m sure that sand over there will wear machines down to dust even quicker
@@Sumofabish titanium and tungsten should be corrosion resistant in a dry or wet environment , reckon if i was a pharaoh id be buried with some tech and a titanium necklace if possible rather than a mummified cat
when have you ever known workers to leave their tools at the jobsite
it's idiotic to think they would leave valuable stuff behind
@@darthtiberius3716 your not gonna move a 50 ton block because you dropped your chisel down the back of it and when thousands of workers are hard at it tools get lost and that's one constant in construction throughout history
where are the tools that built the Roman Coliseum !!! conspiracy!!!! /sarcasm
Was not at home to catch the live version but really enjoyed the podcast cheers
Sent it to a friend of mine, studies history. He responded with "Oh, this guy again." and didn't bother to watch. I suppose the science of archaeology suffers from hubris.
He doesnt need science and scientific research. His brain does it all automatically. 😂😢
People who chose to study history cannot be expected to grasp engineering easily.
Modern "trust the science" Archaeologists are off the charts arrogant, AND ignorant. Their profession is becoming a laughing stock because of it.
10,000 years from now they'll unearth the ruins of London and falsely conclude that it was built by all the syrians and indians buried there. And anyone who tries to argue otherwise will be deemed a "racist pseudo-scientist"
People who study archeology don't have the brains, the IQ,/"tt real mathematical thinking of other areas of science and are always negative about things that are too complicated
Normal, doesn’t fit his narrative, he might as well just study his pimples.
Once again Ben, fantastic mind blowing stuff, really appreciated 🙏 The only accepted mainstream modern TOOLS are the egyptologists themselves!!!
As ALWAYS another AMAZING video from one of my favorite Ancient History channels! Thank you soooo much!
This guy is going to be remembered in history for ages. Very inspiring.
I think so, too. Big brains. Logical.
Hows that possible if were supposed to be living in the end times 😂😂😂
@@theCordobaProject you wot m8?
It's not even sure if these vases aren't modern knock offs. We have lathes that can achieve 1/1000 of an inch precision since early 20 century.
@@ivayloivanov3744 it is indeed sure. There are no manufacturing technology that would allow a lathe to do perfectly circular vases with handles.
Thank you, Ben. Just got home at 930pm. I enjoy all your video's
Missed the livestream as usual 😢 Ben-you’re so freaking calm about the square titanium thing 🤯 Looking forward to the ongoing experiments. Cheers!
Love The Why Files shoutout. AJ does a phenomenal job
Thank you for this channel bro I can't stop watching everything on the ancients. These items are amazing
Really interesting analysis Ben, it's no coincidence that the non-rock elements detected i.e. Titanium, Zirconium & Iron are all fairly high on the Mohs hardness scale. Ideal elements for an alloy used in a cutting or grinding tool by the ancients. Would be good to see you partner with a PhD in this field and publish a paper with your results to bring your discoveries into the public sphere, for better or worse.
Fascinating! Can't wait for the updated video. Great work 👏🏼👏🏼
Congrats on the half a million subs Ben!
Just started watching this after coming here after seeing Dan's "I Was Wrong About Ben's Ancient Egyptian Vases" video where the result was "My mind on the subject hasn't changed.". Especially looking forward for the "sciencey bits" that apparently bores Dan and he ignores.
Thankful to you and all involved who are seeking to increase our knowledge and depth of information that will help expand our understanding of the Universe and our place within it.
Decades of experience in machine work tells me that mechanical force milling cannot produce such things as the vases.
The work piece would necessarily shatter. Flat grinding is orders of magnitude less complicated than what the vessels exhibit.
Seems to me that the intended content of the vessels is the artifact itself. A very durable record of highly sophisticated technology, mathematics, and universal knowledge.
it wouldnt shatter if one could soften the material. not saying it's geopolymer, either. just that maybe something was done to the vase while it was being shaped so it wouldn't shatter.
They did it because it was easy. They probably used these* for bullshit purposes. Trash cans. Water jugs. Something banal. We’ve yet to find the artifacts between the vases and the pyramids.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle I'm wondering if these were actually castings. I'm starting to wonder if the ancients knew how to cast perfect stone. Nothing about these vases seems to point to machining unless it was highly sophisticated machining.
Why would it necessarily shatter? Why couldn't you just brace the stone while it is being worked? Why couldnt you just use a smaller and harder bit at a higher RPM? I think some of the other characteristics of the vases prove beyond any doubt that the vases were spun and that the tool was on an arm.
@LazloNQ what world do you live in where the idea of "casting stone" makes the slightest bit of sense
Ben....the door your opening is so fascinating and interesting and you and the rest of the people who are searching for the real facts are the real experts on human existence and hopefully it opens more eyes
The small vases to me are the most insane. What possible use case justifies such an enormous input of resources to produce. Whoever had them made new were ultra-ballers, probably the biggest ballers in history.
Love the idea that back then everyone else had vases made of exotic materials and the stone ones were considered the cheap alternative. Sort of like how in a thousand years, all the exercise machines will be gone, but lead dumbbells will still be around.
when I look at those super tiny versions, they remind me of something I'd see my little niece playing with among her dolls, like they were made for kids
@@debtfree_2024 Lol like those miniature teasets xD
I think they are resonant sound tuning forks. They fit perfectly in Chris Dunn's theory on the pyramids. They would hang them on strings using the tiny holes in the side in a chamber.
Sure, creating bigger thing is easier than creating as precise stuff but really, really small in size - thats more like a skill flex for creator ;P
This kind of investigation is infinitely more impressive and productive than the pointless talking heads who think so highly of themselves for doing so little..
This is legit investigative work! This is what the self described skeptics used to promote, even if they were otherwise disagreeable.
Amen. Well said. Completely agree 👍. Regurgitation and financially backed bs research have just ruined everything.
I've been waiting for an "in depth view" of these items. Thanx!
The Blue Lotus of Sakkara is also a small restaurant in a lovely garden close to the Sakkara pyramid complex. A lovely old half egyptian half Swedish man runs it with his wife. He speaks fluent English, and grows the Blue lotus in his garden. The story behind it is, that when the Blue lotus growns in the Nile again, there will be prosparity and peace. Or something along those lines. He tells the story better then me, really worth a visit.
Awesome progress! Keep up the good work man.
500k subscribers 🔥 up and running towards 1M
💚 JMB.
this music is awesome
Ben, awesome. I'm glad i have been a part of watching your channel grow from the beginning of all those years ago. Great work as usual
Great presentation, Ben! You have several valid arguments with mainstream academic Egyptology. I have raised some of the same objections myself in my studies over the years. I do appreciate your work, as well as Hancock & Bauval, and Dr. Schoch, J.A. West and others in the 1990s. Zahi Hawass knows a lot more than he is telling, and Mark Lehner holds the line with academia.
In the 1990s, I was associated with Joseph Davidovits and Margie Morris. In the 1980s I was associated with Professor Dee Jay Nelson, and we were actually planning an expedition to the Serapeum in Saqqara in Egypt in summer of 1989 when he suddenly died of a heart attack in June, and the trip was cancelled. We were on the same track as you, we were going to study and document the great black stone box sarcophagi of the sacred Apis bulls there, to measure and document their dimensions for an engineer in Texas to confirm that they were actually built with unknown advanced technology.
Thanks!
This is fascinating. Thanks for your dedication to Ben
Congrats on the 500k, mostly deserved.
Ben, your work might be "niche" but certainly it's important, daring and should get real attention from academia. Keep asking the uncomfortable questions, that's how science moves forward.
Each year your delving deeper and deeper into the prehistory and enigma that is OUR Shared human achievements that that they continue to keep from us! Thank you so much for continuing to beat the drum. I also love 50 Dollar Dynasty!
That intro is gold.
The sound bites in the opening segment 🤌🏼 yours is one of the best on TH-cam!
4 tenths of a micron …. To give this perspective, if the vase lip were expanded 8000 times larger from 126 millimeters across to 1 km across, then the difference in measurements would expand from 4 tenths of a micron to 3.2 millimeters or an eighth of an inch.
That certainly puts things in perspective. Thank you for that. How incredible.
Wow Ben, been following for a very long time. Would love to see a fundraiser button on the side of the videos, in order to start purchasing scientific equipment for the channel!
the lore of the channel is what got me here in the beginning.
But the precision is keeping me here!
Goodluck brother!
Ilmenite is a titanium-iron oxide mineral
This is the best work Ben.......Thankyou Ben!!!!
I’ve been following you for several years, your doing great work. Wouldn’t it be interesting to we find similar vessels somewhere in the Americas? Are you aware of any such findings?
there were findings in caves, Däniken spoke about.
The experts should go in first before archaeologists. Stone masons, geologists, scientists, structural engineers all should gather the data then give it to archaeologists to tell the story. Thats what archaeologists are. Story tellers.
Yes exactly what I've always thought. You can tell by the way they nervously and angrily protect their 'scientific discipline' that some of them at least are aware of the skepticism they're held in.
Egyptian archeology always seems to be a sprint to find the next "mummy in a tomb"... It's a bout the only story I've heard...
Yoo that track you kicked it off with was dope as fuck!!! Original as fuck!!! I love this shit!!
I really like the intro music and sound byte collage in the beginning. If you by some chance are not familiar with Negativland, you really should listen to a bunch of their stuff. But their most recent album The World Will Decide is superb.
That's Kyle from brothers kf the serpent podcast that Ben has collabed with before.
The other brother Russ is in the band too. 50 dollar dynasty. Check em out.
Apreciate your work and dedication mate, congrats on 500k subs im sure the milly wont take long
A fusion reactor, setup in the middle of a marbled floor room with sliding doors to the swimming pool, operators walking around in hawaii shirts and flip flops. Someone is living the dream and not giving a fuck.
Apply yourself, work hard and never quit on yourself.
You can be in a similar place too!
@@ImEnemy608 where can I join your course? ImEnemy608-academy :P? take my money lol
They found Rick in RL shame his morty wasn't present...
@@ImEnemy608 nah, the post-WWII American dream is over for the most part. now the government can just outlaw people from working by declaring their way of life "non essential", then if that doesn't apply to you, it'll require you take an experimental medication in order to maintain employment. *ask me how i know.*
Fantastic video Ben, many thanks for the huge effort you but into these. It’s endlessly fascinating to me.
Utterly fascinating to think that some of these vases probably had valuable metal inlays, which might be why so many of them are smashed. It puts into perspective that the ancients may have had stonework that is *much* more complex than these vases, and perhaps the perceived simplicity of these vases is what allowed them to remain undisturbed for so long.
Always great to see your fasinating videos.
I enjoyed the intro to this one and didn't skip ahead because you initially included the names of the sites being shown (The hook.), giving us viewers, who will never see them in person, the experience of slowly walking through the site while gazing around at the various artifacts. Do more of this please. So many TH-camrs are in a rush and their videos reflect this. And yeah, that music is amazingly haunting.
Long format is best
I understand. I was happy all the way through, and I liked how he mentioned that he was coming to the answer and hang in there. I didn't see an anxious chat or any demands being made. I thought everyone had fun despite the history in the making taking place.
You're correcting the history books. Keep pushing, and thanks!
Its called "falsifying" not "correcting"
The technology used on the ancient vases is literally awesome. These artifacts point to a time when humans could do this level of work and do it on a mass production scale. The cataclysms that separate us from them happened and will happen again.
What cataclysms?
@@Vision_2 The Younger Dryas event is one.
@@Kerrvillian1962 That period of time has been studied for over 100 years. How was it a cataclysm?
@@Vision_2 The event that spelled the extinction of many different mega-fauna. The rise of sea levels all over the world, submerging populated areas. The formation of the Scablands in the northwestern US. Among other events.
@@Kerrvillian1962 1/2" of sea level rise per year is cataclysmic? How do you tie the scabland formation to that time period?
Thanks Ben for this update
2 questions UnchartedX:
-Is Titanium harder than granite?
-Can Titanium be found naturally inside granite rocks?
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BEN. well done my friend. This is science well done. Proofs, evidence and where what is lacking and in what ways... ANYONE calling this type of "alternative " research, unscientific, i challenge to watch this video all the way through and then provide us with your "mainstream " procedure that debunks it or proves otherwise.
You know what...? I was sitting here, listening to the regret resonate. Regret that archaeologists are not taking part in this investigation. If they were with you, right there, they could maybe pick up on one of your questions with further information. Aside from not helping with provenance, their participation could unlock a bunch of stuff. But hey ... they're not scientists. Right?!
Current archeologists are total but t 🤯. So many have their eyes, ears and mouths closed. I don’t understand why they would not want to be involved in groundbreaking research. They have a degree in putzolgy.
And archaeologists could have applied for funding to look for metal remnants in these vases or vases that are stored in museums. There’s plenty of these out of place artifacts in museums all over the world that they could borrow or study right in the museum itself apply for crowdfunding if necessary people are always interested in searching for answers. You don’t have to apply For traditional funding through some sort of ridiculous University. There’s plenty of private funding available for groundbreaking research in our communities.
@@LMO-f8p I hear you. And yes, clearly this in underway.
However, proving provenance is a key part to unlocking the willingness to deepen the research. And while perhaps they do not need to be a part of that to do some great research, I think having them collaborate (meaning applying their records and processes alongside what, Ben is doing) and authenticate would be extremely important.
Our history is key to moving forward: Carlson; Hancock; Howard... and so many more - understand this and are passionate about it.
We need to take this opportunity and not squander it through illogical and inappropriate nonsense.
Thanks for your comment.
This would fit very well with Land of Chems theories of chemically altered metals to create harder Alloys for tools. A very interesting start and I can’t wait to see you increase the sample size and data set. Also interesting note. Titanium Iron Alloy would be very strong and corrosion resistant. And would go a way to explaining how they could cut granite.
I thought I heard one of the sound bites in the intro music say, "Unsharted Pants"
loving the footage thank you very much
That was a long ass intro. Love the song at 7:20. Video starts at 8:28 🍻
That was so fascinating, i hope more research comes out of this! 🤯
I think US military already know who made these precise stuff, and they didnt like when they found out more about them. The strange part of our history have been so weird stagnant or gas lighted since WW2 were won.
exactly.
Ancient Aryans.
Been looking forward to more work on vases
How many are the same? Mass produced? For example how many of one shape and size are identical in measurements?
Love the into music just before stream begins... what's the band again please Ben.
Dios!!!! Duh!
50 dollar dynasty, Deos
Thanks!
What a fascinating video, thank you 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Maybe they used giant diamonds to cut with?
Now, with a more serious hat on. I have serious concerns about the idea of elemental metal fragments in a sample of 5000 years plus. Iron would inevitably be rusted and present as iron oxide. Similarly, zinc as zinc oxide. They would not be present as elements. Titanium is highly reactive to oxygen but is passivated by an impermeable oxide layer. This layer thickens over time and the best I could find is that it would be 250 angstroms thick (25nm) in 4 years. After 5000 years would the sample have completely oxidized - needs an expert? Anyway, you see the problems - metals, yes, but they would generally be there as oxides so why didn’t you see that?
Titanium oxide is ubiquitous in the modern world. It’s all over surfaces in paint. If you wear white latex gloves it’s embedded in the latex. If you use SPF creams and lotions it’s all over your skin. So contamination is a massive issue if, in reality, you are looking at TiO2 not at metallic titanium, so you really have to be very sure about that.
quality comment here!! thanx!
Pushing the frontier, great stuff
You can make titanium metal through electrolysis with molten salt solution from sand. I can see them doing that more easily than chemical reduction.
I think they were creating alloy metals with chemicals and electrolysis.
If you look up Andesite vases these exact looking ones pop up. They're from volcanoes. Andesite has titanium and the other metals found here in them.
Nice one Ben , Russ and of cause Max the mad scientist love his garage ..
Hi Ben, let me know if I can help with those Russian research papers, I speak the language. Would be happy to help.
It would be interesting to examine how the machining tool marks (or whatever process) lines contour and transition from the cylindrical/conical (turned) portion of a vase over the handles to try to determine path of tool work and therefore machine capability/process aspects…. Might learn something significant…
missed the stream but still gonna watch the full thing , love the content cheers from vegas
Almost starts 12:00
i clicked this when i landed at 12:03
Thank you. Too late. But good look 🤙
Amazing job Ben 👌🏻
Nerdrotic sent me
COOOOOOOL!!!
Welcome to the fold.
Really? Thats awesome. Welcome.
Just looked the chan up and subscribed.. hoping to find more interesting things to get thoughts going.
@@mace41canuck Ben and his research are awesome.
Freaking love ur content so much, great to have some mistery back in this world.
Hey guess what they aren't vases. They're components like insulators and tuned wave guides.
Years ago, I was involved with machining gray cast iron down to 4 micron. That was the best we could get because the iron became unstable at that precision. The material literally was incapable of holding its shape. You may well have reached the point where the vase material is unstable, even though the machining process was capable of doing better.
Ben van Kerkwyk.
This name may become one of the names that future students will have to remember. Spelling errors will result in points being deducted. 🤪
Common sense is the collection of PREJUDICES acquired by age eighteen. A. Einstein.
Using high technology to debunk copper tools
When clearly the vase or pots along with the statuse where machined with computer programs and laser lathes
You forgot to mention "in the modern era", because the vases are forgeries.
@lordkrythic6246 dont you have an episode of Tom and Jerry to watch? It's more on your level.
@@lordkrythic6246 deboonked!!!! LOL, what a joke this is... smh
Thanks for your work!
Not far into this video yet but have you tested stone drilled with sand and copper tube to see how it looked compared to the ancient ones? We know for a fact that you can drill granite with a copper tube and sand so an actual microscopic comparison is the only way you can say for fact it was or wasn't done that way.
You would think you would find copper impeded in the stone as a result, but for true scientific testing to obliterate the current narrative it is needed.
Yes people have done that. No it is not feasible to produce the results he's talking about.
we're far past the copper tube theory my guy, spiral grooves
@@kingslayya6876 was you in too much of a hurry to be negative to take the time to read the whole comment? First, as far as the spirals go, I've seen just as compelling videos by debunkers with a string showing parallel rings not spirals.
I personally don't believe the mainstream explanation. So I was suggesting using science to prove or dispute a theory. USING FEELINGS OR UNEDUCATED GUESSES DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING!
@andrewshedron425 it's not my feeling or guess look at the surface they are measuring in just this video alone.
ask yourself what you think it would take to work granite to such a fine degree that it takes an electron microscope to find inclusions and 'tool marks'.
and then consider that no copper residues were found here.
after that extrapolate outwards what this could mean for other anomalies being found at locations cross the globe