Cleopatra's Lost Tomb - History Documentary
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Join Dr. Kathleen Martinez on her quest to find Cleopatra's lost tomb. A former criminal lawyer turned archaeologist, Kathleen challenges conventional wisdom with her radical theories. Focusing on the overlooked temple site of Taposiris Magna, she uncovers artefacts and underground tunnels dating to Cleopatra's era. Could a mysterious 35-metre shaft hold the key to Egyptology's greatest mystery? Dive into Kathleen's groundbreaking discoveries as she seeks to unveil the truth behind Cleopatra's final resting place.
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[ *UPDATE* ] Kathleen Martinez and her team are still digging. In November they found gold pieces, face masks, and part of a necklace. Just yesterday she found two perfectly intact mummies!
where are you getting the updates?
Great, thank you @Anni. ¦:^)
So glad to know that she was allowed to continue exploring!!! Will follow on Instagram!
They found her back in 2009 with cleo's favorite bust and coins , they where too stupid to know it was her- looking at her husband. Obviously she gave most of the wealth away when then the Romans were going to take over and had to beg for Anthony to be in the tomb with her. She settled on a corner in the room - forever looking at her love. Now leave them be!! you lot have your dna samples and 3d images. There was an amulet that was found that was cleo's favorite too and a mask of Anthony - he didn't want that in the tomb but she put it in there anyway . I get it , you are all looking for - a gold filled room - she was amazing not greedy.
First found in 1996- 1998
I am going to study to be an archeologist! :) wish me the best!!!
All the best😃
That’s awesome - all the best and good luck 🍀
@@devarshborker5308 Thanks where are u from?
Thankd! Where are u from?
The best
Updated from 2021: Kathleen Martinez found a mummy with a gold tongue in one of the tombs. The other 15 burials also date back around 2,000 years and contain remarkable treasure. In one, a female mummy is wearing a death mask that covers much of her body and depicts her with a headdress while smiling. Excavation of the site and analysis of the remains is still ongoing.
The Pharos were off spring & fallen angels along with Lucifer that ruled and build with heavenly knowledge
Amazing finds
You SMART COOKIE You!
Smart Biscuit - where do you get this privileged information?
Please. 🙏
@@starvinmarvin6565 Go see a psychiatrist.
what if kathleen martinez is cleopatra reincarnated trying to find her own body in this modern world is why she is so determined and sure her tomb is near by plus she is as intelligent as cleopatra was ,graduated law school at 18 with a master's degree in finance and a master's degree in archaeology ,yo i have a funny far fetched idea that she low key cleopatra driven to find her own tomb to put her mind and soul at ease lol
Yoo thatd be so cool
Oh my God! I was thinking the same thing! Reincarnation!
I'm sooooo fascinated by Dr. Martinez's determination, motivation, and intelligence. Everybody were skeptical about her theories but she stood up for what she believed in... and now, because of her amazing discoveries, the history books have to be rewritten.
Her strong personality is that of a leader. A queen. Just like Cleopatra.
I was thinking the same! This woman is beautiful, I can imagine her as Cleopatra.Maybe she was. There is something in her eyes.Beautiful!
And I thought I could only be the crazy one who thought exactly the same lol I mean look at her facial features. Kathleen can pass as Cleopatra's descendant too.
I really think shes the reincarnated cleopatra
I think it's so beautifully iconic that a strong and determined woman like Kathleen may just be the person to discover the tomb of a strong and determined woman such as Cleopatra. This is perfect.
I agree! When that happens... It would be the most exciting news about Egypt the world will ever hear.
I just can't wait!
Emerson my thoughts also!
@@Beansprout.2131 historically the tomb of Cleopatra have no really interest apart of if you like digging corpse.... Egypt is fascinating for its civilisation the monuments and the Pyramids... Cleopatra apart of apparently being famous has not achieve much compare to other pharaon...
@@bafr7017 dude......I didnt get a single thing you said.
But she found nothing !
Wow..
A real life Indiana Jones...how cool is she!!
The real life Tomb Raider*
Since she's looking for a tomb, and she's a woman.
Generał WP Eh, she's alright. Nobody is on Lara Croft's level.
This woman is amazing.
Even if she doesn't find Cleopatra's tomb. She an criminal lawyer, doing this in her spare time. Has proved wrong professional qualified archiologists by proving it wasn't just an unfinished temple.
You go girl
Go girl
She is both, she has both degrees
@@ailecdreifuss8627 SHE is CLEOPATRA herself...at ALL LEVELS!!💥💯💘
Period
She's has moved to Egypt and this way spends more time digging!
She was made Egypt cultural ambassador and has a diplomatic passport!
She does many other things!
She was a lawyer at 18!
I love the fact that she showed up all the "experts" that not all the discoveries of Egypt have not been found. So much for "experts."
There's plenty to still discover and still is
She hasnt shown up anyone
I guarantee they know where Cleo is, they hold back so much info from our past
@@mccleandazza4618 i agree!
Idk but I think Cleo did not committed suicide. She's a smart woman and dying for a man is the last thing she would do. She was highly capable, she was a queen, she was a mother, she was a billonaire in her time. Which means she was very influential and she had lots of loyal slaves and followers. People in her time are very monotonuous. They serve their masters until their last breaths. It would have been easy for Cleo to fake her death she had thousands of slaves she might have sacrificed one that resembled her, have someone spread about it, bribed officials to confirm her death (which prolly they took the secret to their grave), and she escaped disguised as a commoner off to somewhere else. A smart queen like her would have easily survived living in neighboring lands as she spoke lots of languages. She prolly brought enough of her jewels for sustainance, and brought closest of her slaves and guards and they lived quite normal lives. OR Octavian may have ordered to murder her but failed to do so as she fled prior. And to console his ego, he had to write history saying she killed herself. It's a form of insult to convey a powerful queen taking her own life for a man with a lower status than her. Which explains why they haven't found her tomb. But idk tho 'cause I ain't historian. Just my two cents. 😂
I was about to write the same idea. Glad I read yours.
The7thTaciturnWriter ancient Egyptians believed that the proper preservation and burial (with riches and fancy tombs) of their pharaohs allowed the pharaohs to live forever and advocate for the people to the gods in the afterlife. They believed that the entire fate of the country depended on the proper mummification, burial, and honouring of the pharaoh.
It’s very possible and even likely that Cleopatra would have sacrificed her life so that her body would definitely be buried properly and allow her to watch over and help the Egyptian people in the afterlife. If the romans had killed her and not mummified her, or worse, mutilated her, according to her beliefs, she would have been destroying Egypt and betraying her subjects. The crops wouldn’t grow, there would be pestilence, etc.
They found her back in 2009 with cleo's favorite bust and coins , they where too stupid to know it was her- looking at her husband. Obviously she gave most of the wealth away when then the Romans were going to take over and had to beg for Anthony to be in the tomb with her. She settled on a corner in the room - forever looking at her love. Now leave them be!! you lot have your dna samples and 3d images.
She was off'd by Octavian's henchies. And the kid she had by Julius Caesar as well. Cleopatra's death would have been passed off as suicide, she was surrounded by Octavians men - who could say different? Witnesses? Cleopatra had a brilliant knack for multiple languages, as did her little sister (the one she had murdered). Too bad Cleopatra understood jacksquat about military strategy. Siding with Marc Antony was not a smart choice in the end.
I'm a historian and I really liked your two cents very smart and interesting. I wish people were allowed to make such assumptions in history and then deduce because we barely know 1% of the details in ancient history through archeological evidence. I love formulating stories.
All i can say is i wish this lady all the success with her endeavor she absolutely deserves it even if she doesn't discover Cleopatra's tomb she's already proved the experts wrong and made several important breakthroughs
No. Hope she wont find it
@@lovepeoplehu9883 Why?
I dreamed of being an Archeologist... I just love the discovery, history and excitement that comes with unearthing the past...
My dream too 🙂
I would love to help you dig
well you should go n look which part attracts u most hire few locals n get started with digging, if she can do it with ZERO experience u should be able to do it too, all it needs is compassion :)
I dreamed of being a real estate agent
I did too, but it's a very expensive and dangerous career and extremely difficult to get access to the sites and countries you want. I guess that's why most people don't do it. If you aren't already rich it's almost impossible to be a credible and respected archaeologist.
Could she find Cleopatra's eyeliner too
Angel Ilaida yeah she did found something that may be used for cleopatras eyeliner
I hope they find what brand is it.
@@leahjane3484 LOL
@@leahjane3484 channel?? 😂
31:11 So they DiD find It 😂😂
I really hope she find this tomb .So deserving her dedication. What a game changer for our history .
I find those documentaries so relaxing it makes me sleep deep
Lol I thought it was just me
Same I can’t watch documentaries without falling asleep
The fact that she now found 2 intact mummies is mind blowing!😱☺
Patricia Liga not that mind blowing,it’s Egypt,loads of mummies all around the place,especially in temple cites
A brilliant, intelligent and determined woman, who no doubt faced being dismissed by many, many ( male ) archeologists, but she believed in her instincts and her scrupulous research.Her discoveries so far have firmly cemented her reputation as a serious Egyptologist - absolutely fascinating, and thanks for posting :)
Women are beneath me.
I'm currently an intern in my country's national museum archaeological division. Been really thinking if I should really pursue and further my knowledge in archaeology. And this archaeologist Kathleen really inspires me to study hard and be an archaeologist.
Layla - What country?
No xd im an archeologyst in Hungary its a demanding and unforgiving 😂
I wish there was somewhere we could see everything she has discovered - shafts, tombs, pottery, busts etc etc and a timeline
She is on instagram. Follow her
Imagine the ancient Egyptians did all this to preserve their bodies and their culture because they knew in the future a more advanced civilisation would find them and their culture could go on and live for ever in history as they are actually doing now it’s just mind blowing and fascinating, I love it ❤️
Tomb raiding was a huge and profitable problem
The Egyptians did there best to make it hard to find the buriel sites
Or they feared a more primitive civilization finding and looting it just as the Egyptians themselves did to the pyramids.
Yay still watching this 2020, Happy New year
HAPPY.
2021 🚪🏃🏻♀️💨
There should be a follow up from this, especially when Kathleen just found 2 possible tombs. After watching this video, I believe that Kathleen is on the right track in finding Cleopatra's tomb. I hope that she does, because it will give us more insight on the Great Egyptian Queen. Kathleen has done a wonderful job so far in this discovery, for being a Criminal Lawyer, where the Archeologist have failed to find.
SBell1959 but Antony's body was cremated and his ashes given to Cleopatra. Cleopatra died that same night when she went to inter Antony's ashes in the tomb she had built for them. The tomb was not very far from the palace.
Thanks. Will you do another video, about the 2 tombs that you have found at the end of this video. I hope you do. Really hope those 2 tombs are of Cleopatra and Mark Anthony.
i guess you do not know how Egypt politics goes in Egypt hey ? if you find something thathas historical that can probaly lead to discovery of artifacts about about egypts disnaty of the past they will give you the right to dig but as you find more and more artifacts related to those dinasty they will keep an eyes on your progress and when you get closse to a major break thru thats when they cut you off from it and their own archeologist take over and sends you back to your country so they can keep their treasures of the past in their country ' To many archeologist from foreign countries rubbed them of their artifacts in the past and they diceded to take control of their archeologic sites and they are right to do so cause we in return wouldn't allow strangers to dig in our country and leave with artifact from here either
There is soooo much to dig here in Egypt, that archeologists just cannot keep the pace of grave robbers who still make incredible discoveries which, unfortunately, end up in private and secret collections. In the meantime though, they destroy precious historical evidence.
@@guytremblay1647 thats good for the country.too many artifacts have gone in foreign museums
For those who believe in past lives (as I do), perhaps this brave woman is the reincarnation of the great Queen herself and is seeking to connect with and redeem her own past. Looked at from that perspective, this adventure becomes worthy of a legend. Keep in mind that Omm Sety of England spent her life in Egypt excavating the tomb of Seti I for similar reasons.
I thought so too.
Fabulous documentary, amazing woman. She made me question what else "experts" overlooked not just in archaeology but in other areas too.
She is an experience lawyer, her vision are more real than an archeologist , no sub estimate her.
She has the energy and I hope she find it.
I really hope we get to see further updates on this womans findings. Just fabulous
This women is amazing! She has a feeling and follows it, and see where this brought her. I keep following her for sure.
Thank you RTHD for the upload.
Watching from NSW Australia.
Goodluck dr kathleen! May you find the discovery of the century!
Amazing that a novice finds what the experts overlooked . She has made amazing discoveries here. An impressive young woman.
only a novice can find it cuz that person works hard and strives for it and thinks outside the box while on the other hand experts think within the box and think they are the best, which is why they dont find it .
She studied also archaeolgy, so she is not a completely "novice".
Archeologist know what is there and where Cleo is , they hold a lit of hidden past back from us
Kathleen’s determination and tenacity and her findings are amazing. ❤🙏🏻🙌👏
Thank you for this wholey enjoyable video, I was glued to it,
Will you do a follow up to keep us all updated on her quest , I for one would welcome it with open arms,
im hoping for part 2 of this..this was really interesting..
Dr Zahi Hawass, that's the problem right there, the most corrupt person in Egyptology.
True that
Who also enthusiastically supported her claims in public already in 2009: www.nbcnews.com/id/30309472/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/mummies-statues-point-cleopatra-tomb/#.W7-bzGhLhPY (he has retired BTW. )
How do you know that?
why do you think that?
I've not heard these bad stories why do u say this about him?
great job Kathleen. i can't wait to see more of your findings of Cleopatra's lost tomb
This is awesome! Self Taught Archeologist making the greatest discoveries of our time!😍
Exactly so, Brit :)
What is the greatest discoveries? Since now it is nice finds...no real fuzz in comparison to many other archeological sights around the world.
I think even, that cleopatra is just big because of our imagination, because most facts of her even suggest her being more capable being scientific than of any political significance. Character even suggests to me, that she was to much a narcissistic coward to really commit suicide. She probably lived along somewhere hidden.
Extremely fascinating documentary...this channel should have more subscribers, I can't believe so many people are missing this. I think Kathleen is a descendant of Cleopatra for sure or why would she had this hunch about her.
Cleopatra is mainly of Macedonia stock , I wonder if the other chamber is where her brother is buried or her child ? ?
Catherine, what an incredible lawer, self made archaeologist. Awesome finding. I really like to see the mummy of Cleopatra, the most beautiful and most powerful woman of ancient Egypt.
Captivated i really hope you succeed we all need to know
This is absolutely amazing, I've always been fascinated with anything Egyptian and OH MY GOODNESS how spectacular would it be if this intelligent and determined woman was correct and she found Cleopatra's final resting place
Just as spectacular as if a man found it.
Am so excited about Cleopatra...and the history of Egypt...so ancient yet so modern.. amazing😃
Thank you for the excellent video! This lady is a Queen of archeology!
I saw Dr Hawass so thoroughly disrespect this archaeologist on TV that it was shameful. It was also typical of how he treated other professionals. He was finally caught selling Egyptian artifacts to collectors and fired from his position as Director of Antiquities.
Then later reinstated
Who has the last laugh now? What a thougherly dislikeable guy he was!
Pharaons 'curse on Him!
He’s not minister of antiquities anymore but is always associated with the current minister. Archeology has a corrupt culture in it just like everything else in the world.
The way Zahi Hawaz used to talk & act ~ was the tell tale sign of his real character 🤣
Very interesting I enjoyed every single minute fascinating discoveries looking forward to the next episode.
She's stubborn, persistent and fearless! Damn, going down that deep shaft all by herself with a GoPro. What an incredible woman.
The diggers had already been down and cleared the rubble.
I was there a couple of years ago and actually went down a couple of other easily stepped shafts, not shown in the video, with a very kind Bedouin guide. I saw human remains (I have pictures). I touched nothing. Though slightly dramatized, the video is true and the guide told me about the excavations by a "Spanish" woman. Strangely, the video does not show some very evident Greek inscriptions on some of the walls in the temple. The large shaft is very impressive and deep.
The location is easy to reach, but you need to have good connections with the Bedouins in order to enter the complex. They are very kind and cannot be bribed, but are easy to be offended if you don't know how to deal with them.
Excellent, cheers. **Makes mental note to come back and watch the follow-up.**
You'll probably be waiting some time... 3 seasons have passed without discovery
Thank you so much for posting this inspiring and informative documentary! I wish Dr. Kathleen Martinez and team the best of success!
"I feel in my heart that the thumb of Cleopatra is under my feet" Cathrine say so.. I guess , you really are the reincarnation of the Egypt last queen. Lol
All she wants is just fame
@@Jigglejagglewagglegigglewiggle you really are sour ...
@@StelaPunk1 watch out before I squeeze the sour juice in your eyes
@@Jigglejagglewagglegigglewiggle No I think your wrong she is just so determined to find Cleopatras tomb in the video she did not even mention for once that she is just doing it for fame.
@@safouraaghighi7749 yeah your opinion nobody will tell their intentions to public when they have reputation. I still hold my point
What an amazing discovery. I might be young but I have a great passion for history, mostly Egypt
when get older go to Egypt and experience the real temples. It feels like those statues scriptures and paintings are talking to you. I spent 8 days there and I still want to go back.
I have been watching kathleen on TV. Just found this video. She does deserve to find her. She has done so much work on this I feel sure that she is very close. I'm cheering for you kathleen. Best wishes and luck from Ireland. 🇮🇪
Truly fascinating and full of intrigue, well done this lady.
National Geographic channel has been showing the documentaries about the Lost Treasures of Egypt, recently. I saw the documentary about searching for Cleopatra's lost tomb yesterday, and it ended with Kathleen Martinez finding a shaft sunk deep into the ground near the temple of Isis, but then her time was up, and she had to leave Egypt! The date on the documentary was 2019. Does that mean that the documentary was filmed in 2018? I saw this video's title, and jumped on it! Thanks for sharing this documentary on TH-cam! I am so interested in Egyptology!! This video was wonderful!! ~Janet in Canada
Wow this is amazing, it would be great if another follow up documentary could be done to see where she is now. Carry on Kathleen your do an amazing job and your doing an amazing job for women around the world. The world especially schools should be shown these things because they are so important to our history and we don’t get to see or hear much of what is found in Egypt and it is really important for us to know and pass on to the next generations.
This is so interesting, I have always been fascinated with Egypt and Cleopatra. :)
Thank you Your channel gave very important information, educational stories &
There should be follow ups on this! Pleeeaasseee!
waiting for the next part !!!!!
This vid looks promising. Subbed!
Very nice. Very very exciting. I am so thrilled to see this. Still have the passion of a child. Will show this to my students. I feel really claustrophobic even by just seeing people going down narrow passages.
Egypt honestly has the most interesting history. They will be finding things forever
Not sure about a criminal lawyer Her shoes in that library were criminal
😀😀😀😀
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
that's the damn truth. plenty of evidence for that ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Yep but she was so badass
Lee Deeth yeah, got me distracted😆
Yup. Found the perv.
Hahahaha
Good video. U make me a big fan of yours
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you!
Trivia: Kathleen is 52 years old at the making of this video, in 2018! I thought she was 27 the most! Let's say she might be 50, because of the post-filming production etc. She's as beautiful as Cleopatra was!
I wish her all the best finding Cleopatra's body and then, she'll prove, she's the best archaeologist in the world !!👍
She looks like 35 at the most. 😮
I just think she is an amazing lady and I hope and pray that she will find Cleopatra's tomb. It would be fantastic and proof that perseverance pays off.
Great work ! Thank you!
I hope there's an update and part 2 of this. I can't wait to watch.
What incredible and dedicated detective work this woman and her team have done. I hope and pray the tomb is complete and in tact, and protected as a national treasure.
5 minutes of information strached into a 45 minute video. Well done.
That's because they want to show every detail and give information to people that aren't familiar with the history (probably lol).
Fascinating! I wish Kathleen Martinez every success in her venture.
Are there any follow up videos? I am very very interested in watching. This was so amazing!!
Dying to get the continuation of this part I hope she finds her
Egyptian builders are amazing. To remove so much rock and earth centuries ago.. it still looks like it was made yesterday. The technology and detail is outstanding.. How did they do it.? Its Extraordinary. I think this lady is destined to find her. She has probably manifested this moment since she began many years ago. I sincerely hope her latest quest is the greatest of them all.. I wonder if Alexander the great's final resting place is near there aswell.. it would make perfect sense to be amongst the Valley of the Kings..
Woooooo.
Utterly fascinating 🙏😲
Please up date on Cleopatra tombs
Thank u
The look on this beautiful woman's face when she came up from the shaft with the skull, marble and pottery was absolutely priceless. =) "..the most important Ptolemaic temple site in Northern Egypt." Discovered by a mostly amateur, "self-trained" archaeologist/Egyptologist AFTER full fledged, Full-on, 100% "experts" have gone through the site and deemed it mostly worthless. What else have these "experts" missed in their careers. I am loving Ms. Martinez more and more as each minute goes by. Thankfully she is young. I look forward to hearing of her discoveries in the future!
And Dominican, nothing to do with Egypt 🙌🙌
It's sad that there has been no follow up to this channel 4 documentary.
Sharene Robertson m
I need part 2 of this
Great video of archeology. Love her attire on the field work. Also wow! ...on the 'big grey balloon' or ETV/UFO @ 27:53 in Rome!?!
Ahhh please...I hope she discovers it. What an amazing woman!
I have checked her ig account and she posted that she found 2 intact mummies 2 days ago from now
I have hunches, can i help her ?
INFOCLIPSTERS
Hell is that painful,?? (Hunches that is) shouldn't think that she would allow you to dig all day with that problem, but who knows, get in touch with her and ask, she seem a fare person, although she turned me down because I told her my only qualification was I came first in the " village idiot competition." Well I got a qualification that she don't got
What’s her ig account please?
Kathleen I was going to ask if you needed an assistant as this is my dream job but I don’t think I’d be great up and down them ladders!! 🤣 Go girl!! What an inspiration you are! 💕
So when is part 2 Sooooooo exciting. WOWWW
This woman is absolutely amazing. Ive been infatuated with her dedication and continued success for hours on youtube.
She is making me, to love Archeology more.
Can't wait for a update hopefully soon but these things take time.
Rather enjoyed this video thank you.
Really curious after watching her journey on NatGeo..
How her digging permit was expired just when she uncovered that passage is just like... wow!! Makes me more curious.. And then came the pandemic..
I hope we will have great news from her and her journey finding Cleopatra's tomb..
Those programs always ends in the same way lots of promises and no delivery.
I'm still waiting on the next documentry.
Dear Kathleen, you are a wonderful person and an amazing archeologists. Your discoveries have been mind blowing. I wish you much luck in one day finding the great Queen Cleopatras tomb and mummy. I look forward to you getting recognition for all your finds in Egyptian history. 👏🏼🥰
a beautiful woman archaeologist with a brain, just like Cleopatra. a good and informative video. She indeed could be the one to find Cleopatra's body.
I don't see how it is significant that she is beautful or a woman and I don't see why you would need to add that she has a brain as well, granted that she is actually a highly educated person.
Let's reverse for fun:
"Ah that David Attenborough ... a beautiful male naturalist, with a brain, just like Darwin. He indeed could be the one to find a last surviving Dodo or Tasmanian tiger".
get lost. idiot. we dont live by your rules and judgmental.
"a beautiful woman archaeologist with a brain, just like Cleopatra"
*Cleopatra wasn't an archaeologist, so that's a dumb thing to say.*
thats your opinion. get lost loser.
Cleopatra, by all accounts deemed reliable, was not a beautiful woman at all. Big hooknose, high forehead, short, a bit tubby past her teens.
She just had good skin by bathing in milk with honey every day and was promiscuous as all hell, she was not falconpunched by her husband for nothing. She was simply lauded for her beauty because she was a ruthless ruler. Would you go in front of Saddam and call him an uggo or be nice?
Next you will tell me Cleopatra was an actual Eyptian.
Kathleen,U R AWESOME,!!!!
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM!!!😊👍
The Very brilliant woman Ms. Kathleen Martinez and amazing team...
It's a tragedy that this place was so neglected by the 'professional' archaeologists for so long. How much have these 'professionals' missed? The problem is we continue to depend on these academic people to give us the official version of history which is to be taken as gospel truth.
TRAGEDY
It's a racket unfortunately.
Are there any more videos of Kathleen continuing her digs here?
Please let me know!! This is ending in a cliffhanger and i really want to know if they got any more clues that led to Cleopatra's tomb.
Excellent work. beauty and brains, the perfect combination. This video was posted four years ago - what has happened since then?
Nothing, no major updates since. The documentary was filmed in 2015 so that's now 7 years ago.
Amazing doc
I thought Cleopatra's death that she ended her self with an (Egyptian Cobra) or was that not the case anymore? I'm just confused
This is evidence of how it is better that sometimes somethings should be looked at with fresh eyes