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- Here is your look at the much anticipated comparison between the 1999 Air Jordan 4 Retro and the 2016 Air Jordan 4 Retro in the White Cement colorway. Enjoy!
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99 were dope af
Can we just agree on one thing? The 2012's were pure trash. :)
Agreed
pure trash.?.. how the fuck are they pure trash?
The leather was sooooooo hard and felt like plastic. #pinkytoekiller
+Mauricio Winston ahh so just cheaper quality?
+dave akbaran yeah it was an awful shoe in general. Let alone a Jordan Brand retro. I tried wearing my pair for a long time to break them in, and just gave up on them. The leather is more cardboard than leather, and the shoes resemblance to the original model and other retros was insulting to me as a collector.
i wouldnt dare sell a fake pair to this man. lol
Lmfao true fact
Lmfao the 2012 pair gives me chills i remember just giving it to my best bud because it just kills my feet.
The 1999 still has synthetic material all around the shoe. It has a fabric underneath the synthetic leather.
+John Manalo Fooled me man. I need to be around to see your work in person. I'm very interested in breaking down a shoe's anatomy and figuring out the guts to the operation. You'd know though because you've been doing this. Thanks for the insight.
The more narrow and taller back tab on the 2016 looks way better imo. Cant wait for mine to arrive
one of the best shoes of 2016 from jordan brand.
Damn rite
@Paradice4Life space jams 11s are the best of 2016 my guy..these second..
I had the 1989 pair when I was 11 years old. to this day people Dont believe me that they were made of that durabuck material.
I wore 8.5 when I was 11, it was an adult size. Still made of the durabuck material, the white cement, black/playoff, and the white black and red. The military blues were predominantly the traditional leather.
kaymoebee I'm a little late to the party but yes all 1989 pairs except for the militaries were completely durabuck
SamWithShoes I want the military blue og’s .
You’re the only guy who knows his shit in these comments (albeit 2 years ago)
jckix thanks it's nice to know that I'm not the only person who knows this stuff. That's what kills me about Jordan brand, I mean I was a HUGE JORDAN FAN and knew about everything there was to about him and especially the real Nike Air Jordans. What I don't understand is that he was obsessed with being as close to perfect as possible as far as his game and he has more $ than he knows what to do with. With that being said I don't understand why Jordan brand doesn't make these retros with high quality and EXACTLY like they were when they were originally made in Taiwan. I mean I'm just a 39 year old guy, who granted did know more than most average Jordan fans but I never worked for Nike and if I could produce an exact version of the originals if I had the $ and connections/resources then idk what stops them from doing so. Well actually I do and it all boils down to profit. Cheaper made shoes with cheaper materials = higher profits but it's like come on Mike do u really need that Lil bit of extra $? It makes me disappointed in him in a way. I mean I somehow managed to always have ever pair when they were released all throughout school without a job. I would save months ahead of time waiting on the next release. I still to this day remember the exact amount I needed to have. They were $124.99 and after tax it came to $131.24, I highly doubt M.J. himself ever reads this but if so.... come on Mike give us what us dedicated fans deserve. QUALITY AS THE ORIGINALS!!!
Been waiting for someone to drop this. I had the '99 back back in the days, so when my '16 came in, I noticed right away the backtab shape looked different.. The Skinny backtab on the 16's was a bummer, I was expecting the fat Nike Air like the 99's..Jordan Brand can never get it perfect smh
People never stop bitching about leather quality. The 2016's are great....
ikr, never satisfied
+kicks is life to be fair, we are paying pretty much double for what they were 17 years ago so i guess the bitching is justified
+thebrotherzhoodTV well not really. prices on anything u can think of increased so the price is justified
true, but sneakers in comparison to other items like apparel have inflated significantly. its not like petrol were everyone expected prices to sky rocket but it isnt as expensive as it was projected to be. i work at a sneaker store and core products like basic cons and nike roshes have increased by $20 but the quality hasnt improved or anything
thebrotherzhoodTV ok, but think about like this, lots of roshes go on sale so we really dont pay full price if u think about it. But the economy prices rise so I guess that explains a price rise. Plus, the ppl at the shoe companies wanna make a profit
You just taught me something new about the originals. Didn't know all of those were made with durabuck. Great comparison as usual.
+Derrick Correction. I did say durabuck but in retrospect now I believe they were made with synthetic leathers (which lead me to say durabuck). I've spoken to some collectors that own the OG and those pairs are cracking heavily. The pair that had duraback however and can confirm was the Black Cement 3.
+MJO23DAN cool cool. I still learned something new about the OGs and now it makes sense why most of the OG 3s and 4s look kinda crusty.
Just got these (2016) so happy. They are very comfortable too. Surprising. I think they're super clean. I didn't see mine having blue tint to the lining tough.
this was a really good comparison you covered everything!
M.jo 23 Dan I agree 💯I like the shape of the 99 better & the tab as well . Actually had my brother's pair of 89 Og's they was a hand me down beaters. LOL but dope to see the difference between the 99 & 2016💯🔥👍
Always going in deep on the comparison vids. Great job, Marv
+AIR3051988 Thanks bro. Only trying to explain what I'd personally want to see in a comparison video myself. At least it's documented now and can move on to the next haha.
Aha, fosho. Always like to learn new things. Keep it moving!
Thanks for your videos man! Real quality comparisons, keep it up!
Your right about the hang tag for the white cement OG RETRO '89 release I agree 100%....The 2016 white cements heel tab could've been a bit wider like the the '99 pair. However the splatters are hands down way better!
I was in 6th grade when the originals came out .... Moms wasn't paying 110$ for them lol... These are my hands down all time favorite Jordan... Copped two pairs yesterday and I'm very satified! Great video dude!! Subscribing now
+Joshua Johnston Man in 89 I was in 4th grade so we're not too far in age thought I didn't start really collecting and paying attention to Jordans until 95. Thanks for the comment and glad you got your pairs.
+Omar najeeb Man are you old lol jk. We're up there in age though. I was in 4th grade at the time but didn't really pay attention to Jordans until 95. Glad you got your pair.
Great Review! makes me feel better about the speckling on my 2016. I had the 99' thought they were closer to the OG as far as speckling goes. Happy to hear that these are closer to the OG in that regard. Nice job!
+J Bellamy Actually I saw some other pics shared on Instagram and from some collectors and it really depends on the factory. Some 99s had major speckling and others like mine didn't but the 2016 apparently is supposed to be closer to the OG.
One thing people don't know about the 2012 white cements is that the so called leather is actually durabuck which was used on the ogs
I got a pair of 1999's I'm so happy
I've been waiting for this video for so long thank you
99 release was definitely the better shoe. However the 2016 release is still fire asf. I hated the 2012 release. Good review video by the way
I think the 2016 version has subtle similarities between all previous releases 2012, 1999, and 1989. Hopefully We can see all versions in one video comparison. Great vid!
+jay childress I'm a little reluctant to get the 2012 but I would love to own the 89. We'll see what happens down the line.
Best comparison vid I've seen so far. Thumbs up my man!
+Fabian “Pur3 Shoeter” Fix Thank you.
1999 Jordan 4 is definitely better than the 2016 version. Nice comparisons. Would be nice if the 1989 version was included also.
+Alvaro Arreaga I know. I'll own one eventually if I can find a decent pair.
Great comparison video as always. I'm pretty impressed with my 16' pair. Just wish my 99' pair looked as good as your pair lol.
+Andres Rodriguez Thank you. The midsole on the 99 pair is fully cracked. Don't intend to swap anytime soon but it could use it.
99s were very dope. Dopest. If we could get a retro pair that were combined with the 89 vintage and the 99 retro then we would have a nice shoe. Let's see what 2019 brings us.
itas hilarious how people think the leather quality changed much, when if you look at the thickness of the cut, they are just about as thin as one another, they just started to use a thicker coat of plastic on top
Dope comparison I learn so much
+JumperMan Kris Thank you.
+MJO23DAN good review!! Very insightful detail. Good thing I didn't pay 220 + on a retro 4 rather spend it on a retro 11. Can't wait for the 72-10 restock.
+P4p775 just a heads up, eastbay restocked 71-10's monday. check them out! if u hit them on twitter tell em' tehmacnezz sent ya! :)
Both shoes are great but I do the like the 1999 white cement than 2016.
I found out that 2016 pair is more comfortable than my 2012 pair I guess thats what they do on the "remastered model" they make the shoe inside soft and nice.
Yeah way better than 2012.
Great video bro! I can't wait to wear my J's this spring. I refuse to wear them in the snow. Lol
lol I know what you mean, I had to buy 5 different pairs of boots to protect my sneakers in the snow
I'm not at you at all! I'm wearing my beat up Reebok classics & Fila F-13's.
+Tony Wise good idea but I still want to have fresh kicks on while I'm outside
the specling on your heel tab is insane mine was more consistent with the rest of the shoe and was much smaller. I got a good pattern on the right but the left side had dots that were too big, all luck i guess
great vid. been waiting on a video like this for a while.
+zack lau You're welcome.
If you look at the ones in "Do the Right Thing", you see that the netting on the toe ends where the laces end. There is perforated leather from there to the end of the cut of leather.
Yes. Those were samples, the OG released pair didn't have that
+MJO23DAN cool! I think it would be cool if they released them in that style eventually! They look pretty nice
Finally someone does this video! Thank you!!
The only thing that really stands out or doesn't look right on the upcoming Black Cement 4 release (2019) is the positioning of the "Nike Air" badge on the heels. The font looks good but the position of the logo favors the left side of the heel cap. Not sure if JB did this intentionally to distinguish the 2019 release from previous years or what?? Does anyone know?
Awesome comparison video 💯💯💯
Really helpful video man.Great job.
+giotro007 you're welcome.
Bro the speckles on yours are sick!!!!!! Im so jealous!!!! Mine are not as prominent as yours.
Great video. Just what I needed!!
+Brian Terrell You're welcome.
Another amazing review !
Do you have any insight if the AJ 4 Black or Military Blue will come out this year? If so please post any news regarding these 2 releases.
+Greg Patterson I don't have that info. Sorry.
I think they went thinner on the back tab bc if you step a certain way that shit digs deep into the back of your leg
My cuz is the number 1 jordan seller in the world and hes one of the top shoe collectors in the world plus the jump man add on was is idea to bring back.
Hmm. You don't say?
maybe i joking maybe im not?
The 2016 pair looks wayyyyy better
+T Wood lol, no.
PyrazHD No, you can get all hanky panky with your 2016 pair idgaf. 2016 pair looking like some white kid with freckles. 99 pair looking way the fuck better and there ain't no denying it. You better keep it to playing console games and eating cheetos or some shit.
+Kwibus the 2016 pair looks better then that shitty quality old pair
T Wood Excuse me sir, do you own a 99 pair? You the type of "new sneakerhead" who thinks newer releases are superior to anything before like playing video games. I said it, the 2016 pair looks like a white kid with black freckles.
+Kwibus wtf?
GREAT VID AND COMPARISON JOE EXCELLENT MY BROTHER. H
Wish you showed the inside of the shoe under the insole. You showed it towards the end for a split.
1999 is Durabuck. The 2016 is genuine leather.
I had the '89 pair after I left the Navy, still don't know what happened to them til this day
Same here except I lost like 12 pair of them. They were all OGs ranging from OG 1's to OG 6's. They simply were gone one day. I have no idea where they are.
Why does the plastic shoe tag have a jumpman logo on a Nike Air Jordan Retro shoe. The original '89 cement 4's came with a Nike Air plastic shoe tag with Nike Air on the back of the shoes smh.
They screwed up
Why he got a Jordan tag?
My 2016 pair came with a Nike Air plastic tag. Wonder why your's came with the Jumpman. Maybe there was only one pair sold with NA and I won something!
I hope they do these better soon.
Wow, the back tab your 2016 pair has ton more speckling than mine. While mine does have more speckling than the 99 pair, it isn't a much as yours. I got two pairs from Nike and neither of them are as speckled as yours. Have you compared to other 2016 pairs? Or are we seeing a lot of production variance here?
+Nick Gillotti Nah and I'd assume all pairs are different. I have 2 pairs one from Footaction and the other from Foot Locker. What are your inside tag numbers? Just curious.
the light grey is what I wanted on the 2016
so which one is closer to the original from 89? overall
+akachuy It's a mixture of both honestly. Both pull from the OG inspiration.
+MJO23DAN ahh ok. I'm just happy that Nike air is back :)
1999
akachuy I KNOW I HAD THEM BOTH THE 1989 AND 1999 PAIR ARE THE EXACT AND LET ME REPEAT EXACT SAME. I'M 39 YEARS OLD AND HAD EM BOTH AND THEIR BOTH THE SAME. JUST LIKE WHEN THEY RETROED THE INFRARED 6'S IN 2000, THOSE ARE IDENTICAL TO THE 1991 VERSION. I DON'T SPEAK ON WHAT I DON'T KNOW. THEY WERE BOTH MADE IN TAIWAN LIKE THE ORIGINAL VERSUS THESE CHEAP MADE CHINA VERSIONS NOW WHERE THE THE TOES COME UNGLUED IN A FEW MONTHS WITHOUT THEM EVEN BEING STEPPED ON. DON'T WASTE UR TIME TRYING TO ARGUE W/ME CUZ I WON'T RESPOND. I KNOW MY SHIT WHEN IT COMES TO J'S. I HAD THEM ALL. OGS AND RETROS. OGS KILL ALL RETROED HANDS DOWN PERIOD.
I dont no what they did diff on the sole of the new ones but there super comfortable compared to the 2012 pair theres way more cushion granted i never wore the 99 pair but im deff loving these for sure
I totally agree.
Good point about those tags .... 200 bucks , not even the nike air tag , I hate those thin red tags , come on JB !!... too much "toe-drag" stars imo ... smh !...
First on TH-cam to do this!! I've been waiting.
+Glenn Rivera It's here! Thanks for watching.
Hey MJO, why do you think Jordan brand has changed the molds to their shoes?? I know quality is one thing, but I've noticed this change mostly in their more popular shoes.
+Glenn Rivera I don't have a clue. My guess is the type of last they build the shoe upon. Eliminating materials where it wasn't necessary. They shaved the back tab to a skinnier back tab. Production costs. That's my guess.
+MJO23DAN 99's because of the toecap, shape, dried speckled on Nike Air letter s ALL DAY which I got 2 pair's DS and 1 to rock which I soleswapped myself. 2016 bulky looking toecap is nasty for most but mines was not that bad! Nice review to educate the rookies and enthusiasts!
+benedict cruz Yeah toecaps never have that slanted look anymore. Thanks for the comment.
I was surprised that the whole shoe is synthetic leather when i got my pair of 99
why skip the 2012 pair because of the jumpman. After you get your own company separate from Nike who wouldn't put their own logo on it
+carl freeman It's not solely the jumpman. Theres SO many other things wrong with that version which is why I passed on it in 2012. Leather, color of midsole, splatter, direction of netting, shape, etc. It just wasn't true to what we knew at the time which was the 99 so I hold that one on a pedestal. The 2016 version is great too.
fuck the 2012 pair
I still rock my 2012 pair while the 2016 pair are on ice
looking at the speckles on your 2016's i think the ones i got off ebay might be fakes fml....$255 down the drain i cant believe this...someone please advise do some real ones have less speckles on the back??? or should they all have the same amount as @mjo23DANS??
Nice pair of 99's but you need to replace the midsole and and the bottom cuz they is CRACKED up
+Rudy Valdez Gonna keep them that way for now.
Are they supposed to be that speckled on the 2016 because in the pictures they don't looked that speckled.
+MrHAHA There is variation with many other pairs that I've seen. Not everything is going to be the same.
One thing I never understood about this video is why you said the 99 leather was better. I have a DS 99 pair and I’m certain it’s synthetic leather. The 2016 is definitely genuine and much softer
Older video. I learned later down the line of synthetic when I had a homie work on a pair of beat 99s. My pair isn’t cracking like that so I didn’t observe it that directly. Is this something you caught/learned of recently? This vid is a couple years old to be commenting haha
MJO23DAN I know the video is 2 years old, I saw it in late 2016 and just didn’t really question the leather thing. Once I get a 99 pair I was like “hol up” so that’s the only reason I came back to comment 😂
jckix yeah. I work with DS sneakers so I’m not gonna see a lot of the beat sneakers we come across in down the years. I will say though the 2016 was made well. Jordan Brand has been making sneakers soft and wearing out the box and even stuff past 2016 is getting better. I’ve bought a lot of recent retro this year.
Thought the durabuck was only on the black pair and that the OG's white cements were always straight up leather?
Kurt Asa nope. White Cements crack and peel just the same
@@mjo23dan such a classic shoe! I hope we get the fire red and motorsports blue with the OG Nike Air branding sometime.
got here early haha i already know when i watch the vid its gunna be a great comparison mjo had to pick these up must have imo any tips on keeping a white sock liner clean as long as possible? ik u been in this aloong time so i thought i should ask my maroon 6s already have a mest up white inner sock liner mainly because i was dumb and wore black socks but any tips? plz lemme know thanks man peace
+Daniel Trimble black socks will do it haha. Especially cheap ones. Some of those have some strong dyes on them so it's going to ruin the shoe. You may try using some detergent on a brush and scrub like hell. Dyes are pretty hard to get off shoes once it has penetrated the material. I don't have a direct answer for you there. I'll have to look into it. Wear white socks with white lined shoes.
+MJO23DAN Thank you so much for the reply i feel like aww man since i kinda messed up my maroons already there not like black but u can tell there like a discolored white which is im sure from the black dye def. will have to get some white socks always been more of a black sock person tho haha dont matter to me personally i tried jason mark on it and it did some good way better than it was and i really did have to put some elbow grease in to get i out any specific detergent i should use? or just use a regular detergent? thanks for helping me i appreciate it.
+Daniel Trimble Any really. I use Tide and you can probably mix in some Oxy Clean diluted with water. Test an area to see if it does the trick. Maybe even add a little bleach but don't over do it.
+MJO23DAN Thank you i will give it a try
Tho I do prefer the Nike air back why do people trip over the Jordan branding?
I wouldn't say people trip over it. More like of a division of the of collectors vs those that don't really care.
+KABLAM for me these shoes and any other originals that had NA is a big deal for me. From a design aspect and nostalgia, I always dreamt of having NA pairs over the Jumpman. If they originals had a Jumpman, I'd want them that way!
do you think there going to keep retroing the white cement 4s ,I think there going to, like a 2025 air Jordan 4 white Cement
+Chainge wow. Yeah I mean the brand can keep doing that I wouldn't be surprised.
Nice vid. One question, how did you keep the 99's so clean after all these years?
Wish I had a secret for you but I don't. I actually don't handle the older stuff much. The cracking actually got worse leading up to the release because I was prepping for my video. But typically I keep my stuff in a cool climate controlled room out of light and in a dark closet.
Is there a special cleaner you use? I hear Magic Eraser works well. Too afraid to try for fear it may mess with the finish.
As you saw I used Air Legends cleaner. It does the job. You can use any of the other brand types like Crep Protect, ReShoevn8r, Jason Markk. Magic eraser is cool and will get scuffs out. Just depends on the work you need done.
The decal on the 99 is closer to the OGs from '89. Not a big fan of jumpman decal on the 2016
great review. ..u really know your stuff
great review although I remember all Jordans were a $125 and heavy as hell. I can't wear these shoes anymore I'll take some Kobes.
Nice comparison
I just bought the White cement 4 2016 a few days ago because I wach this video.Can you do like this to the air jordan 4 black cement?!?!?!. This video help me a lot to legit check the pairs Thank you so much.I love this video so much. You do the great job
This is the best review for me.😁😁😁
How did you manage to keep the netting so white on the 99 pair? Just curious so I can store my extra pairs of 2016 ... Thank you in advance.
Wish I had a secret for you but I don't. Just keep in my dark closet in climate controlled room right in the box.
Great vid dude!
+Mychael M Thank you.
Didn't mention the gray color difference..I like the lighter gray on the 99s compared to the darker gray on 2016..
+bigggmike357 It's not too bad. The 2012 was way too dark so one of the reasons why I didn't cop those. Thanks for watching.
+MJO23DAN yeah 2012 was way to dark..Remembering the 89 OG pair though these 2016 are a closer gray..99s were lighter then 89s
Great video bro
Why did they make the air unit grey and not white like the original?
+Mauricio Winston to be different and have people question why lol
I guess. Kind of disappointing though. Especially when they are supposed to be as close as possible to the originals. Oh well.
+Mauricio Winston yeah retros will never be as close to OGs. The way they construct things, materials, methods, etc will never be the same but color blocking, font sizes, the direction of a Jumpman should be easy fixes for the Brand to correct.
Comeback here to pray Nike retro white cement
would of loved to see the OG cement 4 vs the 2016. anyways dope vid.
I'm pretty sure that won't happen cause most if not all of their soles are crumbled up
I'd love to have an OG 4 in hand but it's not available to me.
+MJO23DAN are the 99's wearable bro ?
+cars and sneakers obviously not
+dave akbaran true but he could sole swap them if necessary✌✌
i was waiting for an on feet towards the end of the video :)
Nice video man
i think its ridiculous that so many people disregard the 2012 pair for just a logo
+Teh1337geek For me it's not just the logo. It's the shape and color for starters. The color was just too dark. The leather they used was purely synthetic and the direction of the netting was not true among other reasons.
Good vid, can't wait till my 16's arrive
+DeFY New York TH-cam Channel Let me know what you think when you get them.
Great vid comparison. I just wish Jordan Brand could Crack the vault giving us exact specs of the O.G.'s. For 220+ they are sticking it to us fans. I like what I see in the 2016. But give us the whole enchalada.
+Marco Ortiz Price is definitely steep and one of my gripes when it comes to the retros. It's $20 more than the flagship shoe - Jordan XXX.
great comparison
+evolution678 Thank you.
The 99 pair you have... Looks like you never wore them? That cracking on the bottom? Just what time has done to them?
They're DS. Cracking happens with older models eventually because of the type of midsole which is polyurethane.
+MJO23DAN wil the new ones do that too? How long before that happens.
Tough to tell. Really depends on a multitude of elements - heat, moisture, storage, etc. If you wear your sneakers you can get the most life out of them. Typically 10 years you can go the distance if you store your shoes properly you can go for longer. I have 2000 Jordan 5s that haven't cracked yet.
Nice that's not bad I store mine in the box in a zip lock bag not sealed
What do you plan to do with ur 99s? I have an old pair and the sole started disintegrating some time ago. Any advice?
If I don’t plan to wear, leave as is.
@@mjo23dan if I'll put them on the I think all sole will come off . Everything is cracked!
What I mean is, unless you plan to have them restored (midsole swapped) to wear again, leave them as is.
awesome vid!
if I remember correctly the ones made in Taiwan in 99 had more speckles on the back tab
My pair was made in China. It could be Taiwan has more speckling but then again it's a different factory as well.
MJO23DAN I sold my 99s. but I have pics from when I sold them. I'll take a look. I know the ones I had were made in Taiwan
The back tab on the OG 89s was skinny like the 2016 back tab.
Check out the comparison video I did with the OG Black Cement 4 and retros - th-cam.com/video/7LRTgJ4GToU/w-d-xo.html
i think im the only one who doesn't like TOO much speckles like your 2016 pair.
Love these! 👍👌
Nice vids. Subscribed
+Daniel Ramos Thank you for that.
am i the one who hate when the shoes have too much speckles?
I know it's not going to be for a while but I hope they bring back the og black infrared 6s with the right shade of red, leather on the back, and of course that Nike air on the back.
+David Powell When they say "as close to the OG as possible," we have to hope that it's just that. Shape, materials, etc. Overall I think they did a decent job with the 2016. At least I have a pair to rock now.
+MJO23DAN Yeah everything looks nice. I was surprised to hear you say that the leather was good because I watched several other reviews and I hear people say that the leather is stiff like the 2012 release.
+David Powell Anything is better than the 2012 haha. I didn't like that version at all which is why I didn't cop.
And the 3M!!
+Josman Suri how could I forget
Did you say the OG white cement 4 was a durabuck?
+Fredo Avelar Yes. The OG had a synthetic leather upper. Durabuck doesn't necessarily mean the same as nubuck or suede (although that's what most people associate with).