From what I remember, the Androids can make unlimited energy, but the amount they can use at once seems to have a fairly limited cap. It's like plugging a water hose into the ocean. You'll never run out of water but can only push out so much at once.
More accurately, they have infinite stamina. They never get tired. And Ki blasts are based on stamina, as well as other physical attributes. So your water hose analogy works, just a minor distinction.
@Xeno455 I stopped watching Dragon Ball back in 16 or so a few years before Battle of Gods and only watch dragon ball content from TH-cam videos, so someone my knowledge is very rusty.
I have been hearing good things and have been considering. BT3 was the last game I played for DBZ because honestly all the others just seemed like pointless imitations. But all the talk got me believing Zero may be like that.
@@Teddy3230-u4d It is, there’s even a setting for classic BT3 control scheme but updated to account for new mechanics. It took BT3’s gameplay, made it faster, smoother, and flashier. It’s pure peak. Well worth the 17 year wait.
13:04 THANK YOU finally someone said it 😭 they deadass got an infinite ki glitch but mfs wanna forget that’s the whole reason why they were broken in the first place
Here's the reason why the Android just couldn't give their energy and this was also shown in the sea Ark they have a quote on quote infinite store of energy they can get tired that's why when 17 fights Piccolo to a stalemate 17 is shown to be tired because yes they can constantly regenerate energy but it's not on demand so if they were to give energy they would be putting themselves at a deficit by making themselves inherently weaker if they were to fight a strong opponent
The reason the cyborgs couldn’t just power the spirit bomb themselves is because their “infinite energy” is referring to their stamina, which just means that they can fight for as long as needed at peak capacity.
“Jiren has one of the worst backstories of all time.” Bro what backstory lol he barely even has a back story at all it’s just “insert vaguely described tragic thing happened” moments
@@prolastmedia6171good point, it was just executed terribly. Buu, original Broly, Cell, and Frieza (after they said Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta over a pillow for Beerus), Babidi, and Dr Gero all had worse backstories than Jiren, yet was executed better
with the demon realm becoming canon, they have an opportunity to redeem Jiren characters and give him more development. Since you know, his master is killed by a demon, so maybe we can get Jiren join forces with Z fighters to fight demon. This also an oppportunity to bringe the demon from Xenoverse to canon and make one of them the one who killed Jiren master.
@@thejamaicanempire3561 I see that the canon is changing a bit so there’s an opportunity to expand on Jirens backstory and make it good, so if that happens I’d be excited. But what limited backstory we got during TOP was absolutely dogshit lol
Jiren is actually stronger than his universes GoD. They even say as much in the show. Jiren despite having a trash back story is an absolute beast. Still took 3 of them to take him down when he was TIRED and HIS MENTAL STATE WAS FUCKED. I’m still pissed that he didn’t win and just used his wish to bring everyone back😭
Lol I didn't necessarily want him to win cuz Goku is the goat but I wouldn't have been mad at all if Jiren won. It actually would've been a dope subversion of our expectations.
Jiren wouldn’t have used his wish to bring them all back. A lot of people went into the TOP with selfish desires and Jiren was one of them. Goku’s wish would have been pure because he didn’t want ppl to lose everything but have a good time fighting. 17 knew what Goku wanted and was able to revive everyone. If it had been Jiren he probably would have gotten everyone killed. Plus it was stated that if anyone acted selfish with their wish, everyone was getting deleted.
@@SolidSnake240same, had basically already accepted that jiren would be the last one standing before ultra instinct was revealed and after it fizzled out the first time I was all but certain
@TheUncivilizedNation you know they don't stick to the manga that much right?so yeah everyone left would've been destroyed if the winner made a selfish wish
@@nuke_raiderThey were talking about the Spirit Bomb shouldn't have been used on Jiren. Technically, the Pride Troopers are pure of heart, so Goku should never have thought to use it against Jiren.
Ultra Instinct ain't a transformation even though it does look like one, its a technique and its been a concept in martial arts and manga/anime way before DBZ.
Thank you for this. I seen way too many people to this day still call UI a transformation even though it's been stated by Whis himself that it's a technique most God's struggle with.
Normally you would be right but DBS made it a transformation anyway to sell more toys. Then they walked it back a bit by saying only scrubs have it as a transformation and you can have it be passive like the angels if you train hard enough.
😂 Bro Jiren got so tight when Vegeta hit him he up the quality of the anime that's not also a generational hate but generational glaze like imagine you made someone mad and all of a sudden everything around you feels clear and high quality.
Bro left out the best part. All that Spirit Bomb back and forth after letting him build it up was a complete show. Jiren wasn't trying. At the end he puts his arms down and GLARES at it for the final push. You cannot name a more disrespectful moment in anime, it does not exist. All of this episode Jiren was playing with him.
In the anime it’s implied Goku surpassed Beerus but in the manga it’s pretty flat out stated and shown that he still isn’t on Beerus level even when he can fully tap into ui at will.
Scru its fire Sparking its amazing and its super fast paced, great combos and on top of that its a love letter for us cause its the continuation on 3 🥺
21:33 basically in dragon ball all Hax abilities do are less effective if the person is stronger than you. This is how Jiren managed to break out of time prison (an ability that literally stops time for that person)
@ShogunPlasma Then what do you call Vegetto doing stuff as a piece of candy against Buuhan? Or Vegeta being able to say no to mind controll? So this isn't the sole exception. And if we include Z anime, then even the Destucto Disc won't work if you're much stronger.
@numberhunter62 1. That was literally explained in the Daizenshuu that Vegito possesses the unique property to always retain his full strength even if his shape changes. 2. Mind Control has always been resisted by people with strong mental fortitudes even outside of Dragon Ball. This doesn't necessarily help your case, nor discredit it. 3. Pretty sure Cell was the one sole exception to that. Because Nappa and Frieza was leagues stronger than Krillin and Vegeta still told Nappa to dodge and Frieza got his tail cut off if I remember correctly. Other than Perfect Cell, no one has ever shrugged off Destructo Disc to my knowledge.
29:55 my guy, piccolo did hellzone grenade way back in z bro floating land mines controlled and manipulated to all hit target at the same time and detonate
32:08 facts. Jiren was way too OP even with a handicap of not be able to kill his opps cause BOY if they ran into Jiren outside of the TOP….everybody DOA!
Man..Jiren had me swinging at air watching the episodes at midnight he was literally playing with everyone til he couldn’t but he got my attention when he spanked Goku the first round
For the "there's two forms of ultra instinct" argument, there are 3 forms of regular super saiyan. Grade 1 (the one used by goku on namek, slender), grade 2 (semi-bulky one in vegeta vs semi-perfect cell), and grade 3 (super bulk in trunks vs cell). Feel like that one's more unnecessary than the two UIs, which in the manga, have different purposes
Funny thing is, its not that they arent allowed to fly, its that they cant fly unless they use a physical limb. The Arena is specifically made to nullify flight through energy.
13:04 they still have unlimited energy yeah and Android 17 even comments on it, saying something like "we've got plenty, take all you'd like", but ig they're too SORRY for it to affect Jiren
I've been playing sparking zero since it came out, currently got 14 hours on it and my god, it's so awesome. It's also my first budokai tenkaichi game, so I had no expectations, but it's really fun! Must play for any dragon ball fan, and honestly I can see a very long lifespan for it.
Ironically, I would’ve liked Jiren more in this arc if his backstory hadn’t been revealed. At the start of the tournament, he had this ‘I’m only here so I won’t get fined’ vibe-he was just there to make sure his universe would be safe. I think it would’ve been better if they kept him how they had him throughout the tournament. Then, as time ran out, his stoic and ‘Idgaf’ attitude could slowly break down, showing more of his true character, that we can learn more about in a later arc.
@@perfection20barely talked about, vaguely talked about, not given actual flashbacks and just implies what happens, which makes it hard to connect his backstory to his actions.
@@deeegeeekay how does it not being given an entire flash back make it trash? you do know there's multiple stories in fiction that don't provide us with actual flashbacks as to why said character is doing what they're doing, they just explain it instead
Goku using the Spirit Bomb on Jiren, even if Vegeta did help, I don't think that it would have mattered because the Spirit Bomb is the apithemy of useless because looks at the track record: Goku uses Spirit Bomb on Vegeta = Doesn't work Goku uses Spirit Bomb on Frieza = Doesn't work Goku uses Spirit Bomb on Kid Buu = It does work Goku uses the Spirit Bomb on Jiren = Doesn't work (I am not counting GT or any of the Z movies) Kid Buu is the only one that the Spirit Bomb worked on for some reason because it has largely been ineffective.
Plus, technically according to “dragon ball rules” (I put them in quotes cuz the writers don’t be following the rules), the Spirit bomb doesn’t work on people who are pure of heart. So kakarot technically shouldn’t have even THOUGHT of using it.
I like Super Hero's explanation for why Jiren was so strong, in reality at this point in time Jiren power-level isn't that much stronger than Goku or Vegeta, but Vegeta says that it was the way Jiren used his power that made the difference, remaining extremely calm and only using his ki just the split-second before he strikes (Also mirrors the mini-vacation Gohan and Goku did pre-Cell Games). I'm all for using discipline as a means of getting stronger rather than just another transformation in Dragon ball
I hate the downplaying of this, with some people saying that Beerus can actually beat Jiren, and in the manga and in Super Hero where Vegeta is like, "Well, Jiren actually wasn't that much stronger than us." Jiren is said to be stronger than some Gods of Destruction, and he was running rough shot through Goku and them in the Tournament of Power. Saying that Beerus is stronger than Jiren and capable of beating him, ok, I can accept that, but... I pisses me off how they downplay Jiren and say that he wasn't that powerful, because he was way more powerful. He was messing up Goku, Vegeta, Android 17, Frieza, even taking them all on at the same time, and he was beating up and keeping up with Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku. Don't even bring up the manga because it is a worse case there because in the manga, Jiren actually defeated Goku. Jiren was stronger than them. Why are they downplaying that?!! I pisses me off because Jiren was that dude, and he was formidable and had that energy about him, that he was all "dog" and about business. Don't downplay his character like that.
with the demon realm becoming canon, they have an opportunity to redeem Jiren characters and give him more development. Since you know, his master is killed by a demon, so maybe we can get Jiren join forces with Z fighters to fight demon. This also an oppportunity to bringe the demon from Xenoverse to canon and make one of them the one who killed Jiren master.
No they both have it. 17 wasn't tired in the "out of energy" sense. He was beat up to hell defending himself from Jiren. That's why during the last rush he was playing support using powerful ki blasts that did some damage. Gero made both of the twins with infinite energy
They both have infinite ki and their robotic enhancements help them resist physical wear and tear, but 17 and 18 used to be human unlike the other androids so I think they can actually feel pain and fatigue
Oh and The Spirit Bomb (Genki-dama), is made entirely of SPIRIT energy, not Ki. Its similar but a bit different. Each person can only have so much Genki, the 2 androids have unlimited Ki, which is different, they dont have much more Genki than anyone else. Luckily they explained the whole Genki vs Ki Ki thing a long time ago. Otherwise most fights could be won by letting 17 barrier up and have 18 in there feeding Goku unlimited energy. It does mean that 17 and 18 can match ANY ki blast anyone can release under the priviso that they have had enough time to pour out enough ki to match it. They cant release their ki, since its unlimited, all at once in a split second like a lit of characters. Which is why a full power Kamehameha will boom them if they dont move, they cant access THAT level of Ki immediately because they simply arent as powerful. Its like a form of paradox they technically can release unlimited power, as they possess unlimited power, but they cant ACCESS it all at once and can only push it out so fast. But given enough time they are capable of overpowering the ki blasts of everyone else (within reason, as Beerus Hakai would just eat their ki up like it was air). In short they are utterly BROKEN, and Gero was clearly a 12000 IQ genius to alter two normal humans into immortal (they can be killed but will never die or age naturally) beings with unlimited power.
UI is not a form it’s more a technique as Whis stated in super. Goku is learning how to incorporate it to where he doesn’t have to transform in order to use it, instead he’s tryna figure out how to stay in it like Whis does.
9:18 Whis states that there’s a universe which has created a mortal, whose power surpasses even his own God of Destruction. To be fair, they never SAID it was Jiren. It was just heavily implied, based on the fact that Goku was getting minked up. Whole time, it could be one of the other universes that didn’t get to participate.
12:12 That was CJ 😂😂😂😂
Cj,mals and others
CJ had me dead 😭😭😭
Cj
CJ fucking took me out holy shit 🤣🤣🤣
Yep😂😂😂
From what I remember, the Androids can make unlimited energy, but the amount they can use at once seems to have a fairly limited cap. It's like plugging a water hose into the ocean.
You'll never run out of water but can only push out so much at once.
this
Extremely well said.
More accurately, they have infinite stamina. They never get tired. And Ki blasts are based on stamina, as well as other physical attributes.
So your water hose analogy works, just a minor distinction.
@Xeno455 I stopped watching Dragon Ball back in 16 or so a few years before Battle of Gods and only watch dragon ball content from TH-cam videos, so someone my knowledge is very rusty.
That’s a very good analogy perfect explanation
12:37 that 🗣️🗣️🗣️"GET UUUUU" had me dying 😂😂😂
fr bru I was eating food while watching and almost choked 😂😂😂😂
That was CJdaCHAMP BTW, yall should check out his content
"Trespass into the domain of the gods." The hardest speech Vegeta has ever given. It almost makes up for the violation Jiren did to him.
Emphasis on *almost*
Scru trust me, sparking zero is PEAK. It’s exactly like BT3 and then some. Absolutely worth the hype and the price
PEAKKKKING ZERO
I have been hearing good things and have been considering. BT3 was the last game I played for DBZ because honestly all the others just seemed like pointless imitations. But all the talk got me believing Zero may be like that.
FACTS
It is for sure worth its pre sale sales
@@Teddy3230-u4d It is, there’s even a setting for classic BT3 control scheme but updated to account for new mechanics. It took BT3’s gameplay, made it faster, smoother, and flashier. It’s pure peak. Well worth the 17 year wait.
Btw the voice overs wasnt just Super, CJ, Mal, Zeph, Olawoolo, & PhillyOMars was doing em too, actually Super barely did anything in the voice overs
Where was zeph?
@@elitovon2833he's hit
Thank-q. i know he sees this comment and will address it in his next reaction
@@kingkb54 Blankboy is Hit.
I think zeph is toppo
Toppo looks like if the Lorax started benching the trees
What-if Lorax get fed up with the human and pull out a Thanos,
" Fine, I'll do it myself. "
nah he started eating them
18:28 Scru doesn’t understand the years he took off my life when he said Hit had a “lil booty head” while I was eating 😂
12:39 That laugh was from the soul!!!😂😂
28:13 Faze Silky part of new members lol 😭😂💀
13:04 THANK YOU finally someone said it 😭 they deadass got an infinite ki glitch but mfs wanna forget that’s the whole reason why they were broken in the first place
Here's the reason why the Android just couldn't give their energy and this was also shown in the sea Ark they have a quote on quote infinite store of energy they can get tired that's why when 17 fights Piccolo to a stalemate 17 is shown to be tired because yes they can constantly regenerate energy but it's not on demand so if they were to give energy they would be putting themselves at a deficit by making themselves inherently weaker if they were to fight a strong opponent
The reason the cyborgs couldn’t just power the spirit bomb themselves is because their “infinite energy” is referring to their stamina, which just means that they can fight for as long as needed at peak capacity.
Hearing Mal VA Champa is hilarious 😂😂😂 why does it fit so much
28:10 That was FaZe Silky LMAOO. He's a streamer
I need to find the full clip because that’s insane
21:28 they set Jiren up like he was "The Guy" from spy kids 😅
Jiren is the main character of his universe gang that’s why he got some plot armor
“Jiren has one of the worst backstories of all time.” Bro what backstory lol he barely even has a back story at all it’s just “insert vaguely described tragic thing happened” moments
Nah his backstory is actually peak, he's literally inverse Goku because he got the bad ending during his equivalent of the King Piccolo saga
@@prolastmedia6171good point, it was just executed terribly. Buu, original Broly, Cell, and Frieza (after they said Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta over a pillow for Beerus), Babidi, and Dr Gero all had worse backstories than Jiren, yet was executed better
with the demon realm becoming canon, they have an opportunity to redeem Jiren characters and give him more development. Since you know, his master is killed by a demon, so maybe we can get Jiren join forces with Z fighters to fight demon. This also an oppportunity to bringe the demon from Xenoverse to canon and make one of them the one who killed Jiren master.
I mean Goku's backstory is literally just a worse version of a certain DC character. No way are people like Scru going to call Jiren''s backstory bad.
@@thejamaicanempire3561 I see that the canon is changing a bit so there’s an opportunity to expand on Jirens backstory and make it good, so if that happens I’d be excited. But what limited backstory we got during TOP was absolutely dogshit lol
Jiren is actually stronger than his universes GoD. They even say as much in the show. Jiren despite having a trash back story is an absolute beast. Still took 3 of them to take him down when he was TIRED and HIS MENTAL STATE WAS FUCKED. I’m still pissed that he didn’t win and just used his wish to bring everyone back😭
Lol I didn't necessarily want him to win cuz Goku is the goat but I wouldn't have been mad at all if Jiren won. It actually would've been a dope subversion of our expectations.
Jiren wouldn’t have used his wish to bring them all back. A lot of people went into the TOP with selfish desires and Jiren was one of them. Goku’s wish would have been pure because he didn’t want ppl to lose everything but have a good time fighting. 17 knew what Goku wanted and was able to revive everyone. If it had been Jiren he probably would have gotten everyone killed. Plus it was stated that if anyone acted selfish with their wish, everyone was getting deleted.
@@SolidSnake240same, had basically already accepted that jiren would be the last one standing before ultra instinct was revealed and after it fizzled out the first time I was all but certain
@@404Yaiba anime only, in the manga Zeno did not care about what the wish was
@TheUncivilizedNation you know they don't stick to the manga that much right?so yeah everyone left would've been destroyed if the winner made a selfish wish
28:38 BROOO PHILLY TOOOO😂😂😂😂 GGS HE COOKED
10:19 The Spirit Bomb doesn't work on someone who's pure of heart, but the director forgot I guess.
Guy who is litterally a member of the space power Rangers who are "defenders of justice" who save countless lives everyday
Goku:Let me use spirit bomb
Yea the writing in Super is pretty bad lol
He was a super sayian. He isnt pure of heart when he is one. If yall are gonna shit on supers writing, at least do it when its actually bad
@@nuke_raiderThey were talking about the Spirit Bomb shouldn't have been used on Jiren. Technically, the Pride Troopers are pure of heart, so Goku should never have thought to use it against Jiren.
"And he swung his body" took me out 🤣🤣🤣🤣
that kick ball sound at 7:13 is DIABOLICAL 🤣🤣🤣
13:23 Androids have unlimited energy for ki blasts.
Spirit bomb requires life energy (that's why even normal humans can contribute to that)
26:03 olawoolo too??? 😂😂😂 Best Super Vid Bro Legends In This Bitch ❤💯❤
Ultra Instinct ain't a transformation even though it does look like one, its a technique and its been a concept in martial arts and manga/anime way before DBZ.
Thank you for this. I seen way too many people to this day still call UI a transformation even though it's been stated by Whis himself that it's a technique most God's struggle with.
Kinda weird how it's consistently treated like a transformation even in the manga then, but yk transformations are a form of technique too
Normally you would be right but DBS made it a transformation anyway to sell more toys. Then they walked it back a bit by saying only scrubs have it as a transformation and you can have it be passive like the angels if you train hard enough.
Yeah it's a transformation, the one goku uses atleast
Db fans cant read
@@Zenkai-9k what is his body transforming into
15:32 I swear that's always been my fave UI moment, no one ever talks about it, but I love when he casually swats kne away, that shi was 🥶af
Shout out to CJ Da Champ as Beerus bro was too funny
😂 Bro Jiren got so tight when Vegeta hit him he up the quality of the anime that's not also a generational hate but generational glaze like imagine you made someone mad and all of a sudden everything around you feels clear and high quality.
24:23 that's a CRAZY reference. Well done 😂😂
27:58 is silky from faze they all are friends they were just having a war at they house during they month subbaton lmao
Jiren IS the main character of his Universe
4:35 bruh i actually dont remember that lil guy but u had me dyin when u called him a pokemon 😂😂
Bro left out the best part. All that Spirit Bomb back and forth after letting him build it up was a complete show. Jiren wasn't trying. At the end he puts his arms down and GLARES at it for the final push. You cannot name a more disrespectful moment in anime, it does not exist. All of this episode Jiren was playing with him.
I’ll raise you one Escanor. Especially the Estarossa fight.
In the anime it’s implied Goku surpassed Beerus but in the manga it’s pretty flat out stated and shown that he still isn’t on Beerus level even when he can fully tap into ui at will.
All the Cameos in this video is CRAZY
Jirens only so strong because his whole thing is basically perfect ki control
Scru its fire Sparking its amazing and its super fast paced, great combos and on top of that its a love letter for us cause its the continuation on 3 🥺
28:08 That was silky 😂😂
He was talking crazy 😭😭😭😭
21:33 basically in dragon ball all Hax abilities do are less effective if the person is stronger than you. This is how Jiren managed to break out of time prison (an ability that literally stops time for that person)
Wrong. It's only Hit's Time Skip that works that way. Not all "Hax" abilities. Whis specifically states this.
@ShogunPlasma Then what do you call Vegetto doing stuff as a piece of candy against Buuhan?
Or Vegeta being able to say no to mind controll?
So this isn't the sole exception. And if we include Z anime, then even the Destucto Disc won't work if you're much stronger.
@numberhunter62 1. That was literally explained in the Daizenshuu that Vegito possesses the unique property to always retain his full strength even if his shape changes.
2. Mind Control has always been resisted by people with strong mental fortitudes even outside of Dragon Ball. This doesn't necessarily help your case, nor discredit it.
3. Pretty sure Cell was the one sole exception to that. Because Nappa and Frieza was leagues stronger than Krillin and Vegeta still told Nappa to dodge and Frieza got his tail cut off if I remember correctly.
Other than Perfect Cell, no one has ever shrugged off Destructo Disc to my knowledge.
29:55 my guy, piccolo did hellzone grenade way back in z bro floating land mines controlled and manipulated to all hit target at the same time and detonate
28:02 silky doin too much per usual
32:08 facts. Jiren was way too OP even with a handicap of not be able to kill his opps cause BOY if they ran into Jiren outside of the TOP….everybody DOA!
22:23 MalsWrld 😂😂😂😂
they kept my man 17 out this video, the MVP was the only one making jiren mad as hell and could sneak him
That's Silkyy 28:00
"Jiren had one of the worst backstories"
Me: "That was a backstory"?
9:13 They stated in the anime that Jimenez is stronger that Gods of Destruction
WHO?!😂
@@Vegitoflex Jiren. Auto correct can be so annoying 😖
@@javondozier7904not all of them. He’s just stronger than most. Beerus is still stronger than him
Jiren must have been using an ultra Instinct of his own coz the way he was reacting and dodging Goku's attacks wen he was in ultra instinct is insane
Man..Jiren had me swinging at air watching the episodes at midnight he was literally playing with everyone til he couldn’t but he got my attention when he spanked Goku the first round
😅
For the "there's two forms of ultra instinct" argument, there are 3 forms of regular super saiyan. Grade 1 (the one used by goku on namek, slender), grade 2 (semi-bulky one in vegeta vs semi-perfect cell), and grade 3 (super bulk in trunks vs cell). Feel like that one's more unnecessary than the two UIs, which in the manga, have different purposes
Funny thing is, its not that they arent allowed to fly, its that they cant fly unless they use a physical limb. The Arena is specifically made to nullify flight through energy.
13:04 they still have unlimited energy yeah
and Android 17 even comments on it, saying something like "we've got plenty, take all you'd like", but ig they're too SORRY for it to affect Jiren
I’m so glad you’ve reacted to this! I absolutely love codenamesuper he’s one of the funniest guys online.
I aint gonna stop till i see a Okay fine reaction.
AM i tripping or is that cj da champ playing beerus voice @ 12:18
Ur not woolo and more are in here
Check the og vid description
the Zenos in fact said fuck the rules at some point in the tournament, they were there just for the entertainment
Thank youuu lmaooo that freaky zekey interview is legendary 😂😂💀
I've been playing sparking zero since it came out, currently got 14 hours on it and my god, it's so awesome. It's also my first budokai tenkaichi game, so I had no expectations, but it's really fun!
Must play for any dragon ball fan, and honestly I can see a very long lifespan for it.
Tickles him with bluetooth is diabolical
His Backstory is pretty Human Lmao Ngl
It's moreso the way that it was told that was buns. It could've been a bit more interesting.
Ironically, I would’ve liked Jiren more in this arc if his backstory hadn’t been revealed. At the start of the tournament, he had this ‘I’m only here so I won’t get fined’ vibe-he was just there to make sure his universe would be safe. I think it would’ve been better if they kept him how they had him throughout the tournament. Then, as time ran out, his stoic and ‘Idgaf’ attitude could slowly break down, showing more of his true character, that we can learn more about in a later arc.
What's wrong with the way it was told
@@perfection20barely talked about, vaguely talked about, not given actual flashbacks and just implies what happens, which makes it hard to connect his backstory to his actions.
@@deeegeeekay how does it not being given an entire flash back make it trash? you do know there's multiple stories in fiction that don't provide us with actual flashbacks as to why said character is doing what they're doing, they just explain it instead
Goku using the Spirit Bomb on Jiren, even if Vegeta did help, I don't think that it would have mattered because the Spirit Bomb is the apithemy of useless because looks at the track record:
Goku uses Spirit Bomb on Vegeta = Doesn't work
Goku uses Spirit Bomb on Frieza = Doesn't work
Goku uses Spirit Bomb on Kid Buu = It does work
Goku uses the Spirit Bomb on Jiren = Doesn't work
(I am not counting GT or any of the Z movies)
Kid Buu is the only one that the Spirit Bomb worked on for some reason because it has largely been ineffective.
Plus, technically according to “dragon ball rules” (I put them in quotes cuz the writers don’t be following the rules), the Spirit bomb doesn’t work on people who are pure of heart. So kakarot technically shouldn’t have even THOUGHT of using it.
I like Super Hero's explanation for why Jiren was so strong, in reality at this point in time Jiren power-level isn't that much stronger than Goku or Vegeta, but Vegeta says that it was the way Jiren used his power that made the difference, remaining extremely calm and only using his ki just the split-second before he strikes (Also mirrors the mini-vacation Gohan and Goku did pre-Cell Games). I'm all for using discipline as a means of getting stronger rather than just another transformation in Dragon ball
I hate the downplaying of this, with some people saying that Beerus can actually beat Jiren, and in the manga and in Super Hero where Vegeta is like, "Well, Jiren actually wasn't that much stronger than us." Jiren is said to be stronger than some Gods of Destruction, and he was running rough shot through Goku and them in the Tournament of Power. Saying that Beerus is stronger than Jiren and capable of beating him, ok, I can accept that, but... I pisses me off how they downplay Jiren and say that he wasn't that powerful, because he was way more powerful. He was messing up Goku, Vegeta, Android 17, Frieza, even taking them all on at the same time, and he was beating up and keeping up with Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku. Don't even bring up the manga because it is a worse case there because in the manga, Jiren actually defeated Goku. Jiren was stronger than them. Why are they downplaying that?!! I pisses me off because Jiren was that dude, and he was formidable and had that energy about him, that he was all "dog" and about business. Don't downplay his character like that.
with the demon realm becoming canon, they have an opportunity to redeem Jiren characters and give him more development. Since you know, his master is killed by a demon, so maybe we can get Jiren join forces with Z fighters to fight demon. This also an oppportunity to bringe the demon from Xenoverse to canon and make one of them the one who killed Jiren master.
If he blockin them punches wid a finger what u think them punches gon ACTUALLY do if they connect 😂
"Friendship" Winning the TOP feels just like a Fast and Furious movie.
Jiren is a monster
Jiren is strong then everyone in his universe
jiren is not stronger than the angel of his universe, what r yall smokin
@Nemba34 no one would say goku is the strongest in his universe though… please use YOUR brain
Bro Ragna's villains all have plot armor
9:13 you gotta point tho. Who tf is gonna enforce the rules 😂😂
The beerus voice over is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard 😂💀
Sparking 0 was absolutely worth it man.Get that game
Olawoolo so goated bruh he did the final flash voiceover here, yougotta check his demon slayer videos
You the best. Always love your stuff
13:25 with androids, they can operate as if they are at 100% until they actually run out of energy
Jirens design is dope you wildin
Im pretty sure only 18 has the infinite energy cylinder thing. 17 was beyond exhausted at the end of the tournament, so im positive he doesn't have it
No they both have it. 17 wasn't tired in the "out of energy" sense. He was beat up to hell defending himself from Jiren. That's why during the last rush he was playing support using powerful ki blasts that did some damage. Gero made both of the twins with infinite energy
They both have infinite ki and their robotic enhancements help them resist physical wear and tear, but 17 and 18 used to be human unlike the other androids so I think they can actually feel pain and fatigue
@@l3ftie578Yea. 17 and 18 still have human parts. They're more like cyborgs than androids.
17 was damaged by the end of the tournament, not simply tired
More like damaged...17 even said that they are androids,they don't get tired after they saw universe 9 get erased
Nah, the "Swung his body" at 7:28 caught me so off guard. I was in tears bro. 😂
If Vegeta gone do one thing every big fight, is give you a speech right before he gets cooked.
I definitely pre-recorded, this the game I've been wanting since BT3, it's been damn near 20 years
23:01 that’s not super
Five nights at Diddys at 3:11 was crazy 🤣
28:08 that’s silky he funny asf tho 😂
22:49 that was a violation 😂😂
Oh and The Spirit Bomb (Genki-dama), is made entirely of SPIRIT energy, not Ki. Its similar but a bit different. Each person can only have so much Genki, the 2 androids have unlimited Ki, which is different, they dont have much more Genki than anyone else. Luckily they explained the whole Genki vs Ki Ki thing a long time ago. Otherwise most fights could be won by letting 17 barrier up and have 18 in there feeding Goku unlimited energy. It does mean that 17 and 18 can match ANY ki blast anyone can release under the priviso that they have had enough time to pour out enough ki to match it. They cant release their ki, since its unlimited, all at once in a split second like a lit of characters. Which is why a full power Kamehameha will boom them if they dont move, they cant access THAT level of Ki immediately because they simply arent as powerful. Its like a form of paradox they technically can release unlimited power, as they possess unlimited power, but they cant ACCESS it all at once and can only push it out so fast. But given enough time they are capable of overpowering the ki blasts of everyone else (within reason, as Beerus Hakai would just eat their ki up like it was air). In short they are utterly BROKEN, and Gero was clearly a 12000 IQ genius to alter two normal humans into immortal (they can be killed but will never die or age naturally) beings with unlimited power.
UI is not a form it’s more a technique as Whis stated in super. Goku is learning how to incorporate it to where he doesn’t have to transform in order to use it, instead he’s tryna figure out how to stay in it like Whis does.
the freaky deaky clip is god tier lmao !!!
vegeta is the only one who can give goku a speech about saiyan pride and goku will actually listen and react to it
An ENTIRE barrage of ki blasts I launch at Goku, and all he does is walk away to dodge 'em?! I would leave the tournament.
To be fair. It’s just ki blasts
For the androids, I'd say its a time thing. The tournament was still under a time limit, so it was faster for everyone to do it, not just them
great setup, good commentary.
They definitely flying 🤣🤣🤣
9:18 Whis states that there’s a universe which has created a mortal, whose power surpasses even his own God of Destruction. To be fair, they never SAID it was Jiren. It was just heavily implied, based on the fact that Goku was getting minked up. Whole time, it could be one of the other universes that didn’t get to participate.
I love your videos!! U went crazy in this one
glad to be this early to a reaction
5:03 bro if u banking on Lebron to save the day u might as well just throw in the towel cuz we know he can’t finish the job lol
13:19 The android have infinite Ki energy, but the energy people give for the spirit bomb isnt Ki, it's Life.
Ki i literally life energy
13:15 They do have infinite stamina still. 17 told 18 this after Universe 9 was erased
The silky scene is hilarious
Jiren is a playable storyline in sparking zero