Modernized 2025 US Carrier Group vs WWII IJN Pearl Harbor Strike Fleet (Naval Battle 78) | DCS

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  • @REF0202
    @REF0202 ปีที่แล้ว +515

    I think it's realistic to assume a Zero getting hit on deck by a modern missile might prevent the aircraft carrier from further launching aircraft due to deck damage, fires etc.

    • @delta5-126
      @delta5-126 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      The decks are also made of wood so.. who want to fly off a road of charcoal?

    • @settratheimperishable4093
      @settratheimperishable4093 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@delta5-126 even the japanese damage control could handle one plane exploding on deck, though the debris might take a little bit to remove. I know there's at least some historical precedence to decide how that scenario would pan out.

    • @delta5-126
      @delta5-126 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@settratheimperishable4093 How would it take for them to clear the flight deck of debris?

    • @Darthybuddy
      @Darthybuddy ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@delta5-126ealistically they would just shove it over the side. They wouldn’t have to worry about clearing minor FOD due to not flying jet aircraft. So maybe 15 minutes.
      If there was extensive deck damage then it may take longer and slow down the future launch rate.

    • @delta5-126
      @delta5-126 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Darthybuddy Ah ok

  • @davidcanoy8579
    @davidcanoy8579 ปีที่แล้ว +731

    Imagine the Japanese crews reactions to a Supersonic fly by... not having ever experienced man-made thunder.

    • @advorak8529
      @advorak8529 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The Japanese never had access to whips?

    • @Argosh
      @Argosh ปีที่แล้ว +84

      @@advorak8529 you very obviously were never even in the same postcode as a modern jet fighter taking off on full afterburner.

    • @Wubbeyman
      @Wubbeyman ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@Argosh first man made device to break the sound barrier and make a sonic boom was the whip. That “crack” you hear is the breaking of the sound barrier. This is what the other commenter was referring to.

    • @Argosh
      @Argosh ปีที่แล้ว +47

      @@Wubbeyman you too obviously were never in the same zipcode as a modern jet fighter taking off on full afterburner. It's not sound anymore. I was in Kleinebrogel in Belgium for a demonstration and an F-16 took off maybe 200m away from me. You don't hear that. It's not sound anymore. It's a physical thing smashing you.

    • @5505daniel
      @5505daniel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Argosh 🤖

  • @hegemonycricket9549
    @hegemonycricket9549 ปีที่แล้ว +248

    You forgot the attack submarine that usually accompanies every US carrier group. That's a major game changer that cannot be underestimated.

    • @lachyt5247
      @lachyt5247 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      If we're going to be realistic, the USN would have fast attacks deployed in depth to harry Hittokapu bay and would sink any carrier that steamed out of port. But assuming they did make it to attack range, 'game changer' is an understatement, a single SSN would bushwack every carrier in the fleet.

    • @Ofthehunt
      @Ofthehunt ปีที่แล้ว +30

      yeah everyone forgets about submarines. American submarines sunk 30% of the Japanese Navy in ww2.

    • @hegemonycricket9549
      @hegemonycricket9549 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Ofthehunt Yes, and that had affect on how Japan used its subs. Earlier in the war, Japan doctrine saw their subs as more of a way to deliver supplies, troops, etc. They changed that later on.

    • @russellmcphee72
      @russellmcphee72 ปีที่แล้ว

      They do that deliberately. There would be no war game to work on, hence nothing to entertain and inspire us.

    • @gristly_knuckle
      @gristly_knuckle 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hegemonycricket9549 , ah yes, the Type B did have a 100 person crew, didn't it? And a 100m test depth, barely undeath it.

  • @jamesstreet228
    @jamesstreet228 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    The LRASM's are capable of communicating with each other and formulating their own attack strategy. The AI is incredible. They can even single out and differentiate between ship's in the enemy fleet.

    • @snowmochi1373
      @snowmochi1373 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Can’t they also distinguish weaker parts of the ship and strike?

    • @killman369547
      @killman369547 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@snowmochi1373 I know some torpedoes can do that, not going to say which because i don't know either but it would stand to reason that if they can get a torpedo to exploit a ship's weak spots they could get a missile to do the same.

  • @MrSGL21
    @MrSGL21 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    i have a semi regular customer who comes in wearing a cvn-65 uss nimitz hat. i asked him "so where you there on the Nimitz on dec 7th 1941 when she took on the entire imperial japanese navy?
    His answer was "Yes. Yes I was. I'm in the movie twice as an extra"

    • @crazyeddie1981
      @crazyeddie1981 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      CVN-65 was the uss enterprise not Nimitz I should know I served on her and still have my hat. So either your story is a lie or his hat is a lie

    • @user-gy3hf9st9d
      @user-gy3hf9st9d 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its hard to know whomever is saying the truth online but regardless if you guys actually served . Thank you for your service ! Salute 😊​@@crazyeddie1981

  • @PhoenixT70
    @PhoenixT70 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    26:15 That's actually a bug simulating reality by accident. Those CVs have wooden flight decks, not armored flight decks. A warhead the size of an AMRAAM would probably punch a hole in one, especially if it touched off a fully loaded dive-bomber setting up to launch. The results of that can sink a ship, if you get lucky enough; 1940s warships were wonderfully flammable as a rule, and carriers especially so.

    • @Raz0rking
      @Raz0rking 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Crunchy on the outside, Chewy on the inside

    • @yoface2537
      @yoface2537 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Something loke this happenedvat Midway, one of the 4 carriers was only hit by one bomb, it went straight through the wooden deck, made all of the spilled fuel from refueling ignite and blew up all of the munitions as the planes were mid armament switch, the attack would not have been nearly as successful if the guy in charge of the carriers hadn't been as strictly by the book as he was and if japanese doctrine hadn't decreed that you needed a full strike force to attack

    • @Captain_Rhodor
      @Captain_Rhodor 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@yoface2537 IIRC that was Akagi. Kaga also got nailed by a single bomb and basically burned to the waterline before she was put out of her misery by a second bomb.

    • @yoface2537
      @yoface2537 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Captain_Rhodor I remember hearing in one of the twenty different "WWII in color"s on Netflix that one carrier was hit by 54, one by 3, and another by 1 with the last being hit by too many to count

    • @Captain_Rhodor
      @Captain_Rhodor 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@yoface2537 Poor Zuikaku got the absolute snot beaten out of her across several battles before being sunk, so maybe you're thinking of her. Most of the other Japanese carriers went down after one of two well-placed hits. And both Taihou and Shinano were one-tapped by submarines thanks to inexperienced/incompetent commanders

  • @Mr_Dancy_Pants
    @Mr_Dancy_Pants ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This is literally the plot of "The Final Countdown" where the USS Nimitz went back from 1980 to just before Pearl Harbor. Worth watching.

    • @killman369547
      @killman369547 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, but this is the alternate ending where they decided to commit to a full engagement.

    • @jeffadams9807
      @jeffadams9807 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I Loved "The Final Countdown" Movie...

  • @DaydreamNative
    @DaydreamNative ปีที่แล้ว +177

    The Doppler-shifted piston engine sounds from the missile's PoV are INSANE. eg 11:55 - 12:10

  • @gordonpromish9218
    @gordonpromish9218 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    18:48 I'm pretty sure the ejecting Japanese pilots have a much larger radar cross section than the F-35. I'd LMAO if an errant AIM-120 locked onto parachuting popcorn

    • @grassulus158
      @grassulus158 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      “Parachuting popcorn” I’m saving this for later use.

  • @spacepants3
    @spacepants3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I’m an Aegis Fire Controlman who’s familiar with this sort of combat. Here are my notes.
    “The SM-6s will target the jets.”
    Probably not. The FCS directors will guide the missiles during their terminal homing phase.
    “They’ve stopped shooting SM-6s.”
    Yeah, 6s are EXPENSIVE. You use them when you need them. For a lesser threat level, it makes way more sense to close distance and use SM-2s or let the fly boys handle it with fox 2s
    25:03 those guys on the flight deck are too close to the jet, they got SMOKED when the jet took off
    The sea skimming missiles shot at the carriers are neat to watch, but it is WAY easier to disable a carrier by damaging her flight deck. If you damage the flight deck enough, she can’t launch or recover planes anymore.

  • @kiro9257
    @kiro9257 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    Finally! Another redo of a classic. Thank you Cap, this is certainly an early Christmas gift.

    • @totalnerd5674
      @totalnerd5674 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A piece of Candy, if you will.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Pleasure

    • @anathardayaldar
      @anathardayaldar ปีที่แล้ว

      @@grimreapers Please show Japanese carrier fleet vs star wars "assets"

  • @TR-Mead
    @TR-Mead ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I take it you have seen the movie from 1980, The Final Countdown? This is a modern version of that. I LOVED that movie as a kid. Long story short, a modern carrier gets caught in an electrical storm that sends it back to the morning of December 7th, 1941. Knowing what is about to happen, should they stop the attack? Minor spoiler: Its lovely seeing an F-14 going up against a Zero, but it can't get slow enough!

    • @flickingbollocks5542
      @flickingbollocks5542 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That was a great film.
      I'm now going to see if I can watch it for free somewhere...

    • @TR-Mead
      @TR-Mead ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@flickingbollocks5542 it was free on Amazon Prime (if you have that) a few months ago.

    • @exidy-yt
      @exidy-yt ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It's pretty safe to say that everyone involved with GR has seen it since they have re-done the exact scenario of that movie about 4 times now with different layouts and pretty much everyone who is a fan of naval aviation has seen The Final Countdown. It's cheesy like cheddar but you can't help but love it.

    • @TR-Mead
      @TR-Mead ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@exidy-yt Ya never know.....kids these days.....

    • @flickingbollocks5542
      @flickingbollocks5542 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TR-Mead Thanks for the tip👍

  • @exidy-yt
    @exidy-yt ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Fun mission that went about as I expected when I saw 120Ds would be used this time in huge loadouts per plane. Would the boys (and Violet) have been able to re-arm with anti-ship loadouts had they actually landed on the carrier instead of just respawning? Also wanted to say that it's amazingly cool that someone took the time to simulate the huge billowing clouds of smoke that would occur when a fuel bunker is hit in reality. Just awesome.

    • @avroarchitect1793
      @avroarchitect1793 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Really depends on how fast the USN can rearm and refuel the jets after landing all while launching the next wave of fighters.

    • @blademaster2390
      @blademaster2390 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, rearming would probably involve landing, taxiing the planes below-deck, mounting the weapons, syncing the weapons, taxiing the planes back to the deck, preflight checks, taxiing the planes to the catapults, final checks, and then takeoff

    • @exidy-yt
      @exidy-yt ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@blademaster2390 Thank you, but I was talking about a video game, not reality. 😀

  • @petersmith4943
    @petersmith4943 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Others have mentioned it but…….. could anti ship missiles be fired first to destroy the carriers in a first strike and stop the launch of aircraft.

  • @strambino1
    @strambino1 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    What would a backfire raid against a modern 2025 spec carrier group look like? Like the one you did last year in the Black Sea where the F-14s tried and failed to stop the raid.

    • @Echowhiskeyone
      @Echowhiskeyone ปีที่แล้ว +13

      A replay of Red Storm Rising carrier attack or Sum of All Fears carrier attack with 2025 CSG.

  • @mattmiller4613
    @mattmiller4613 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was amazingly put together and amazingly fun! Thank you very much!

  • @Hawkskull
    @Hawkskull ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This was exactly as expected, but Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack whilst this video had two Aircraft With A Circular Spinner (AWACS) already airborne and detecting. I think that the Japanese might have a smallest chance if just the ship radar was used until the first Japanese asset was detected, then scrambling the AWACS (from one of the airbases on Guam), along with the US aircraft.

    • @amgia2265
      @amgia2265 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      *Laugh in modern radar combining with computer and AI technology

    • @drtidrow
      @drtidrow ปีที่แล้ว +5

      IIRC, the Navy expected the Japanese to attack somewhere in the near future, they just figure the Philippines was the most likely target. As such, I'd expect a modern carrier task force to keep at least one Hawkeye in the air at all times, just to make sure that nothing could get close without being detected.

    • @Afr0Thund3r
      @Afr0Thund3r 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Just here to point out, AWACS does NOT stand for "Aircraft With A Circular Spinner", it stands for "Airborne Warning And Control System".

    • @drtidrow
      @drtidrow 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Afr0Thund3r well if you want to pedantic, but I like "Aircraft With A Circular Spinner" better! 😀

    • @Afr0Thund3r
      @Afr0Thund3r 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@drtidrow How am I being pedantic?

  • @martinjefferson3395
    @martinjefferson3395 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great work Cap and the team. Very enjoyable if predictable outcome given the updates.

  • @jim.franklin
    @jim.franklin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent scenario - probably your best yet, thanks for all the hard work.

  • @jamses23
    @jamses23 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video! What about a 1980’ Navy with Tomcats, Hornets, Intruders, Phantoms with Iowa class escorts? Or, modern Airforce based out of Hickam? F-22, F-15, Vipers….🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @captainrevenge5960
    @captainrevenge5960 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Some early Arleigh Burke class destroyers still have the Harpoon launch tubes. At about DDG 85 they gain a helicopter hanger and lose the Harpoon launch tubes and the front CIWS.

  • @viper8434
    @viper8434 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is by far the most realistic one you have done for how a fight with modern ships vs ww2 type ships would actually go. except for the ai glitches it was pretty accurate. Well done and keep them coming mate

  • @shmevan_
    @shmevan_ ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Your point about modern jets vs. WWII is true if the modern jets try to turn fight, but usually if the jet takes the vertical the WWII plane can't keep up

    • @CareerKnight
      @CareerKnight ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not just that but you would also have to assume their guns are equal as oppose to modern jets having computer assisted targeting, in reality (combined with as you said a turning fight is not the only option) shooting them down would be no issue for the modern force and would be just barely more sporting than using missiles.

    • @Briselance
      @Briselance 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​​@@CareerKnightrue. In this situation, the modern jet pilots don't need to fill their windshield with the enemy planes to shoot them down. They just crank in the targetting system, send a short burp of 20 mm or 30 mm slugs (maybe just 5 shells per plane would suffice. Most WW2 Japanese planes didn't have much in terms of damage endurance), and rack up kills like this. The whole fleet of 2nd WW planes would be downed within 20 minutes, I guess. Way before they would even get the modern carrier fleet in their eyesight.

  • @michaelsublet3283
    @michaelsublet3283 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    A modern carrier attack group has an Attack Submarine in it. A modern sub should be able to attack the Japanese carriers with impunity with modern torpedoes and Tomahawk Cruise Missiles.

    • @mikewheeler3994
      @mikewheeler3994 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No such missile as Tomahawk cruise missile. There's Tomahawk and There's cruise missile. Tomahawk is Navy, cruise missile are AIR Force.

    • @Utubesuperstar
      @Utubesuperstar ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mikewheeler3994 the tomahawk is a type of cruise missile you are incorrect the harpoon is also a cruise missile, look at the actual definitions

  • @jsigmo
    @jsigmo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for all of the hard work. That was super entertaining. I appreciate it. Get well soon.

  • @brianpreece4410
    @brianpreece4410 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The most expensive American defense in TH-cam history. Great video and can't wait to see what is next .

  • @michaelmckinnon431
    @michaelmckinnon431 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Awsome video, hope you're feeling better cap.
    Also if there ever is a fix to the gummed up carrier problem, it should have at least a delay to simulate clearing the deck of a downed aircraft. What that time delay would be would be up to you guys of course.

  • @kellywalker9268
    @kellywalker9268 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Violet "someone's using a jammer" yeah, we already called that out!! Lol

  • @kenhelmers2603
    @kenhelmers2603 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive work Cap, thanks! Good work GR :)

  • @ryno07962
    @ryno07962 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is exactly what I asked for! Thank you Cap!

  • @geraldaffeldt8228
    @geraldaffeldt8228 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Should try sending the surface strike aircraft earlier, maybe 50/50 mix to see how many aircraft it keeps from even getting airborne.

    • @S1LVERF15
      @S1LVERF15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s what I would have done, I would have immediately gone for the crippling blows in terms of ships

  • @warbuzzard7167
    @warbuzzard7167 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loved it. What I didn't love? Cannonball turning southwest and shooting down OUR MISSILES!
    Conehead!

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Should check him, maybe he has some LYB friends and needs to be put in a camp for the duration...

    • @warbuzzard7167
      @warbuzzard7167 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BoraHorzaGobuchul lol

  • @Caktusdud.
    @Caktusdud. ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You guys should try and bring drachinifel into these types of videos. You guys are totally watching his videos. I just know it.
    All hail king of naval history.

  • @skatman3278
    @skatman3278 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Be interesting to see what would have happened of the anti-ship bogs took off first.

    • @michiganengineer8621
      @michiganengineer8621 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or 1 A-A group then the A-S group then the 2nd A-A group, although between the ship-borne A-A missiles and the first wave of airborne there might not have been a NEED for the 2nd group of A-A jets.

    • @skatman3278
      @skatman3278 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@michiganengineer8621 yeah. Just would be good to get the AS up as soon as possible. Don't need AA if no aircraft have been able to take off.

  • @GRDwashere
    @GRDwashere ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The LRASM looks a lot like the Federation's photon torpedo (Star Trek)

    • @JRGProjects
      @JRGProjects 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      LRASMs will be able to be fired directly from CVN-80 USS Enterprise Ford Class Carrier without jets for stand-off purposes. So in essence, the Enterprise has torpedoes. It is also rumored it will carry ship based direct energy weapons too (phasers).

  • @kenbrown9773
    @kenbrown9773 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oh, could we see a redo of the Core game US Carrier Strike Group vs Modern Strike Group? It'd be interesting to see the gap as it widens.
    Thanks for all the hard work, this stuff is always fascinating.

  • @dgthe3
    @dgthe3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For fleet battles, you should probably be sending a mix of air-to-air and anti-ship. At least if you're using LRASMs. 2 or 3 flights of A2A followed by a flight of anti-ship. Then repeat the cycle. As the anti-ship missiles are heading in, they get covered by the next set of fighters. If the first wave of LRASMs doesn't destroy the fleet it'll at least be crippled.

  • @dragonlips2005
    @dragonlips2005 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love these missions. Thank you for putting these together!! Is there any place to download a base mission for Pearl Harbor? I’m a cadet when it comes to DCS, this would be such a cool scenario to practice on.

  • @readhistory2023
    @readhistory2023 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    The wood decks the US carriers had gave the hangers more head room. The US used that extra head room to hang air frames from the ceiling which almost doubled the carriers carrying capacity. If the choice comes down to more planes or a armored deck I'd go with more planes.

    • @tanker335
      @tanker335 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The crew of The Bunker Hill would disagree. They watched bombs that would have penetrate 3 decks bounce off British carriers. And I have never seen a photo of, or read an account of, a plane of any sort hanging from the ceiling of a hanger deck or anywhere else for that matter. Do you have a credible source for this? Also a wooden deck required much more support than an armored deck so the "more head room" statement makes no sense. It would be the exact opposite.

    • @ambientlightofdarknesss4245
      @ambientlightofdarknesss4245 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@tanker335 The planes being stashed in the roof thing is actually historically accurate. Games that show this are Aircraft carrier survival and oddly enough Call of duty Vanguard. But the planes on the roof weren't used for extra planes they were only used for spare parts and repairing other aircraft.

    • @tanker335
      @tanker335 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ambientlightofdarknesss4245 Games? Storing aircraft on a ceiling isn't practical for one. Retrieving them would be a big job that would negate the space below them. Not to mention the risk to crewmen with having tons of metal hanging over their heads on a ship that could be rocked by explosions at any moment. Spare aircraft deemed out of service were stripped of usable parts and stored in a organized fashion that only the military could achieve. The useless bits went over the side. I've been an avid WW2 enthusiast for almost 50 years and again, not once have I heard of this.

    • @ambientlightofdarknesss4245
      @ambientlightofdarknesss4245 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tanker335 th-cam.com/video/yfAAJzKr_y0/w-d-xo.html
      7:17 they stashed up as much aircraft parts up on the carrier roofs for extra storage of spare parts.

    • @kellywalker9268
      @kellywalker9268 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      False. Some carriers used to the space for spare parts, but never did they hang aircraft from there.
      The wood decks were used because they were cheap, easy to maintain/repair, and lighter. There were completely different philosophies regarding carrier design, deck construction, and most importantly, damage control. Read some history, I recommend a handful.of books about Midway, they explain the different philosophies quite well because it was those philosophies that helped determine the outcome of the battle.

  • @Andrew-wv7qp
    @Andrew-wv7qp ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Japanese fight to the death tactic during the island hopping campaign was part of a larger strategy to make the US progress as painful as possible, in the hope it would convince the US to negotiate a peace before they reached Japan. Instead, it convinced the US to use atomic bombs to avoid an invasion.

    • @stephencosentino553
      @stephencosentino553 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We cut off and bypassed a lot of islands too.

  • @ICY69HOT
    @ICY69HOT ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you're talking a modern Carrier group from the 90's... you have Ageis Cruisers that carry over 100 TLAMS.. Those alone would take out the Japanese fleet. The Carrier's aircraft could take out the oncoming Japanese aircraft.. Remember those TLAMS can take out a target hundreds of miles away to within feet of the target.. I know I worked on one when we launched 9 TLAMS against Baghdad.

  • @Brian-mr4gf
    @Brian-mr4gf ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Over the 2022 holidays, I had an opportunity to speak to an elderly Skyhawk pilot. During the conversation, I showed him some of the GR missions that used the Skyhawks. Then we came across the missions to stop the pearl harbor attacks. He thought that the Skyhawks would be successful on this mission. He sighted the speed and ordinance, would allow for a successful mission. 6 to 8 Skyhawks should suffice with no cap. What do the GRs think?

  • @gavin1506
    @gavin1506 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Small suggestion, when having Players flying, perhaps have a second carrier for them to launch from. They then have the limit of a carrier for them to have "lives".

  • @OriginalLictre
    @OriginalLictre 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The concentration of the two battle groups incidentally does act as a defensive improvement for them, since it thickens up their very basic defensive abilities against both missiles and aircraft by putting them in position to assist each other. If the original battle groups had been even 30 miles apart, they would be easier to destroy.
    Modern PILOTS would know to use the advantages of their aircraft, avoiding low-speed agility fights, favoring slash-and-extend tactics, as well as close support tactics that were developed against the IJN in WWII, such as the Thatch Weave. For pragmatic reasons, they would first concentrate on destroying the enemy fleet assets, then destroying the lower-value, lower threat aircraft, trusting that fleet defensive fire would gut the attackers.

  • @gregormwalula7555
    @gregormwalula7555 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is like a "Back to the Future" battle... 😂😂.
    Reverse it with modern Japanese tech and current fleet via 1940's American battle fleet..
    That will be Wow to see too. 😊

    • @zinedinezethro9157
      @zinedinezethro9157 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's actually a light novel that has that setting called Nihonkoku Shoukan (Japan Summon) in which modern day japan got transferred into another world where the tech is WW2 level at best. It's interesting seeing how absolutely overpowered modern weaponaries are against those older arsenals.

  • @drewfierman3834
    @drewfierman3834 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Cap, the f-18e/f can’t carry dual missile racks on its outer underwing pylons, and neither it or the f-35 carry aim-120s on the wingtip/outermost pylons, replace those with aim-9s

  • @waynec3563
    @waynec3563 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What if your human fliers had the LRASMs while AI took care of air-to-air?
    Scenario would have probably been over quite quickly!

  • @jamesthomas7102
    @jamesthomas7102 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'll be honest I'm technically British, even if I Consider myself Welsh before British, but even if as many people pointed out the British armoured carrier deck ended up being scraped in the end, it still meant that per battle they could launch more planes short term which in a battle could mean everything, its short term durability per hit vs reparability

  • @Not-TheOne
    @Not-TheOne ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Did that F18 shoot itself down at 41:10

  • @nathaniellazo5912
    @nathaniellazo5912 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Dam, the 2025 group absolutely swamped the Japanese, where the other group struggled.
    Can't wait to see more carrier simulations in the future!!

  • @darrellseike3185
    @darrellseike3185 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved it! Nice new A6M model.

  • @TheWeatherbuff
    @TheWeatherbuff ปีที่แล้ว +6

    CAP & Crew... Thank you for the hard work setting this up. Awesome entertainment, and education, for us Newbies! 🙂 (Hope you feel better soon, Cap!)

  • @haldorasgirson9463
    @haldorasgirson9463 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At least some of the Japanese bombers were carrying battleship main armament AP 1000kg+ projectiles converted into bombs. No deck armor in existence could stop those bombs. I learned that from Drachinefel's video about salvaging battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor.

    • @tonyennis1787
      @tonyennis1787 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That is a fantastic series. We all know more or less about the attack, but the effort expended to restore the harbor is epic.

  • @Fiedman
    @Fiedman ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow you read my mind this was exactly the war game I was thinking of you trying with the new weapon your team is developing, great job as always.

  • @andywilson5828
    @andywilson5828 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im really enjoying these

  • @331SVTCobra
    @331SVTCobra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    American carriers had wooden flight decks to reduce weight high above the waterline. This made the ships more stable in rough seas.

    • @tonyennis1787
      @tonyennis1787 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Compare to British CVs which were heavily armored. The US CVs were rarely within (credible) land-based attack range. The Brits always were.

  • @cestall1
    @cestall1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Final Countdown (1980): "We're going to intercept and destroy the Imperial Japanese Fleet."
    Grim Reapers: "Hold my beer..."

  • @byzmack1334
    @byzmack1334 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Imagine naval A-10s with anti ship missiles or aerial torpedos. Modern ships don't have armour so that gun would be brutal if used against them.

  • @muskyelondragon
    @muskyelondragon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So friggin' awesome!

  • @Gromit801
    @Gromit801 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The biggest plot hole here? The USN would do this at night. The IJN would have no idea what was killing them.

  • @donaldtireman
    @donaldtireman ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Some 340 aircraft were shot out of the sky in the Turkey Shoot, Ozawa's carrier fleet was essentially eviscerated in that clash

  • @KroMagnum4
    @KroMagnum4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely done.

  • @FalcoGer
    @FalcoGer ปีที่แล้ว

    lrasm only uses passive sensors, can use ir for target classification, ew and ai for autopilot around escort and datalink for midcourse updates as well as missile to missile datalink. its also really expensive.

  • @TopFloorSnipa
    @TopFloorSnipa ปีที่แล้ว

    Btw the amraam or side wonder can be used for defensive persons it can take out missiles as well

  • @christophero55
    @christophero55 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff 🙂

  • @willwozniak2826
    @willwozniak2826 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Everytime I wake up and Grim Reapers has a notification, turns out to be a beautiful day!

  • @JadeFoxAlpha
    @JadeFoxAlpha 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    *Final Countdown begins playing*

  • @raptorblarg2284
    @raptorblarg2284 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was awesome. I wonder if it would have been a little better to do F35 then antiship FA18 to try and destroy ships before they can launch everything

  • @CASA-dy4vs
    @CASA-dy4vs 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Imagine being a Japanese pilot and seeing a white needle explode your fellow pilots aircraft

  • @V-RADIO
    @V-RADIO ปีที่แล้ว

    Reminds me of "The Final Countdown" a film about a US Carrier getting caught in a time warp and emerging before Pearl Harbor.

  • @jtscustomcutlery317
    @jtscustomcutlery317 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Having served on a carrier in the gulf I have to say this was very entertaining loved seeing the jolly rogers in action again, although they were still tomcats back then 👍🏻

  • @arcadecreative3641
    @arcadecreative3641 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love these videos!

  • @henrygibson9613
    @henrygibson9613 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A carrier strike tactic. Due to LRASMs range it would be interesting to see it launched with CAP flights before and after as opposed to just before. Would also give USA a CAP boost late in game. Would work for China or Russia though as they would be picked of by 260 I'm guessing. Can admirals choose which planes takeoff when?

  • @mrlodwick
    @mrlodwick ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Get well bro! - thank you that was outstanding.

  • @Borel-nv5bq
    @Borel-nv5bq 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you imagine being a pilot in a swarm of other prop planes and just seeing all your buddies get deleted out of nowhere without ever seeing another aircraft

  • @tonyennis1787
    @tonyennis1787 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Zero might be the most classic plane ever. Just gorgeous.

  • @timblack6422
    @timblack6422 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s a great day! “Serial killer loadout”. I like it!

  • @bearcatracing007
    @bearcatracing007 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hope you feel better soon Super Cap

  • @tarksable
    @tarksable ปีที่แล้ว

    That was cool. You could make a pretty epic battle of Britain remake using DCS as the external combat cameras.

  • @cganale
    @cganale 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely amazing how they just got rolled back. This is practically a blueprint for a much larger-scale modern vs. WW2 fleet wargame me and a bunch of friends are running. We're even fighting over Guam, as well.

  • @USMCArchAngel03
    @USMCArchAngel03 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If a plane gets destroyed on the deck of a carrier in real life it will gum up the operations too.

  • @TTCS
    @TTCS ปีที่แล้ว

    Also with them being already up simulates the a/c carrier having a/c already in the air.

  • @dexlab7539
    @dexlab7539 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hope you feel better Cap! We need you 😃

  • @Archangel3083
    @Archangel3083 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I served onboard the USS Russell out of Pearl Harbor and Arleigh Burke definitely have harpoon launchers just aft of the aft superstructure.

  • @scottr9900
    @scottr9900 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool sim, Cap!

  • @GeorgeLiquor
    @GeorgeLiquor ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been waiting for this ever since I saw The Final Countdown

  • @RobbyQuarantined
    @RobbyQuarantined ปีที่แล้ว

    Question: what’s that pew zew zew pew sound when in sm -6 cam?

  • @MsKinnara
    @MsKinnara 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Japanese thinking "I think we woke up a sleeping giant".

  • @kolinskiparadox
    @kolinskiparadox ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how in the low right corner it says it was recorded in 2020

  • @elmateo77
    @elmateo77 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What would really happen: The modern fleet detects the WW2 fleet hours before the WW2 fleet knows the modern fleet is there. The escorts launch a volley of anti-ship missiles, and every carrier in the WW2 fleet is sunk before they even realize they're in combat.

  • @totalnerd5674
    @totalnerd5674 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just curious, any plans to add Zumwalt, pre or post refit? Perhaps no, since the CPS tests will only start in 2025.

  • @valuedhumanoid6574
    @valuedhumanoid6574 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not only your hard work but DCS has put in some work as well to the core game. I was hearing shit I never have heard before. Passing sounds of engines, strong to fading missile effects, all sorts of ambient sound! ED should put you on the payroll. I would! And I watched the movie Isoroku Yamamoto, the Commander-in-Chief of the Combined Fleet which is the war from the Japanese side on Pearl Harbor Day a few days ago. I can only imagine what the admirals on the flagships would be thinking in this mission. None of their planes left visual range and the "demons" on flaming rockets were everywhere!

    • @Darthybuddy
      @Darthybuddy ปีที่แล้ว

      I’d imagine the pilots might have thought that it was some kind of insane flak. I don’t think they would have been able to describe the missiles before being killed. Just a wall of explosions and dead zeros.

    • @drtidrow
      @drtidrow ปีที่แล้ว

      My guess on what they would think: "Okay, this was a bad idea..."

  • @jamison884
    @jamison884 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cap, someone else posted this idea, but I second it and want to try and get it more exposure!
    I think it would be fun to see the new Aegis system defend Pearl Harbor without the carrier. The humans can either fly F-15/F-16 from the island airfield to replicate the P-40s on Hawaii, or if possible, perhaps they can have fun and man the guns of the ships? I'm not sure if you can control the guns and still allow the missiles to fire per Aegis, or if a player takes control of the ship it also means the missiles stop firing?
    Also, is it able to simulate the Japanese surprise attack portion where they are all in the air approaching the harbor instead of simulated take off per this video?
    I think the goal is really just to simulate the attack on the ships, so even if that means the possibility of not seeing the incoming enemy until ~15 to 20 mi out so the SM-2 and ESSM get firing, that would be awesome. I want to see the full missile screen in action almost non-stop until the threat is gone hah. Thank you regardless of what's coming out way!

  • @MaddollarzGaming
    @MaddollarzGaming ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Never bring a gun to a bomb fight

  • @karlryan2967
    @karlryan2967 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    have you ever done final countdown aircraft carrier vs pearl harbour

  • @waynesworldofsci-tech
    @waynesworldofsci-tech ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Nice! Now I see which Japanese plane you were having issues with.
    This may be a bit of an ask, but I’d love to see what happens if the IJN was up against four RCN Frigates, but since I doubt they were modelled yet how about doing it with a representative Swedish surface fleet since you do have models for them?
    It would really be interesting to see how a fleet without air cover but anti-ship missiles and 21st Century AA could handle this.
    Just curious, have you ever monitored CPU temp and usage on the server during these big battles? It would give a feel for any potential bottlenecks as scenarios get more complex.
    One battle I’d love to see you run is Operation Tidal Wave, the low level bombing of Ploesti by the US Desert Air Force. It would be interesting to see how it would have turned out without the navigational errors.

  • @ra2grizgaming701
    @ra2grizgaming701 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Viewer request: Ace combat 7 featured the Alicorn Class Submersible Aviation Cruiser. Here's the question: IF such a ship were to exist in real life, could a US task force effectively eliminate it?

  • @Gilbertmk2
    @Gilbertmk2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One thing to think about too is that the US carrier group would be able to send up Growlers to jam the Japanese radar. Their fleet would be completely blind and they'd have no radio coms.

  • @MichaelMcKinnon-do5ev
    @MichaelMcKinnon-do5ev 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The P-51 was used to model the Type 0 fighter aka A6M (Japanese year 2400) to mimic the maneuverability of the Zero in real life because the original DCS programming equated higher speed with better maneuvering although in reality you have to throttle back to turn tighter. The IJN during WWII would have used flying boats rather than helos. The AIM-54 missile should be repurposed into a multipurpose missile

  • @hudsonadams9963
    @hudsonadams9963 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love watching my nightly movie guys, you are all very entertaining, thank you, I will give this all a try