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Wow, very cool! Thx for sharing all the info! I had been watching the John Jones cave disaster vids just recently and you just answered all my questions! I seem to recall news of another kid getting stuck in the Nutty Putty cave before John Jones, but he was apparently smaller and was able to be freed. I think it was wise of them to plug that cave.
Two kids got stuck before in Nuttty Putty prior to Jones death. That tells me that depending on the cave, getting stuck is a very real concern in some caves. I've watched Nutty Putty crawl video....and yeah, you can get jammed and getting you out of those fox holes could be a nightmare because it's so hard to get the equipment there.
I was going to mention bad air and radon gas although I'm not sure if that's more of a mine risk? Im a novice caver in the uk and we have a very good cave rescue service. although this still relies on telling people where you are prior to going underground and what time you expect to be out etc. Do you not have something similar?
Kinda disrespectful af with the multitude of deaths that have happened in caves 🤦🏽 not just that one guy especially William who died even though he had a guide with him, and the other multitude of people needing professional assistance after becoming stuck in caves that thankfully survived and could've easily have died 🤷🏽 but sure lets just call them dumb right? Don't be afraid if you don't want to be, but don't undermined the deaths and horrors of what has happened. Anything can happen, and not all the deaths were even the cavers faults.
Lol, good one. In fairness, it takes several passes before we get the video we want. But dang if Jacob wont be giving some grade-A class presentations if he ever gets to go back to school.
Thanks. This has been good for him... learning eye contact, clear speaking... he's become MUCH better over time. Whether the channel blows up or not, this is a good thing to learn.
@@Bashki-tech I suppose it's my channel but we share it. He logs in to answer comments sometimes but I'm the one that takes the video and edits the video. But I tell him it's his channel. Hes My cavin buddy And he brings a ton of energy to the videos!
@@CalvinHikes amazing speaker, got my attention immediately. English is not my main language but I'm pretty good at it, the info was very well presented also for non native English speakers. Congrats
The real mistake John made was thinking he was in a different part of the cave than he actually was. He believed he was at the beginning of the birth canal, when in reality he was in a completely different passage. Any way you look at it, it was a tragedy.
The real mistake was the authority did not seal off that death trap after two previous near misses involving two other people. It has to be sufficient warning to seal it but they did not.
I recently watched an episode of Fascinating Horror about that incident. I was up late one night, couldn't sleep. After watching that, didn't sleep a wink, every time I shut my eyes all I could think of was being trapped in a cave. That poor bastard, what a way to go.
Thing is, i can panic in small spaces easily...idk why, im not claustrophobic but any indication of getting stuck makes me panic, which could lead me to getting myself stuck. Im also not really aware of my surrounding (sometimes) so, it wouldnt be very safe for me
Atleast you're aware of your own ignorance, most people are too wrapped up in their own ego to acknowledge they may not be the smartest. If you are aware you aren't very smart, than that just makes you a little bit more intelligent lol not alot, just a little
#1 rule whether you’re hiking, caving, diving, camping, kayaking or what have you… make sure you tell someone your plans, where you’re going, and when you should be back.
Even though they knew john jones was stuck they literally couldnt pull him out he was just too far deep too In there . And head first so blood rushing to his head Meant there was only so much time he could survive in that position.
@@ValensBellator Ok, I'm back, thanks for keeping a lookout for me! Sorry, it took awhile, I had to take shelter from rain in a cave and fell asleep. And when I was sleeping I guess the rain carried me deeper in and I almost didn't find my way out
@@CalvinHikes How what are your methods? It's amazing how you can keep your composure! I suffer from paralyzing anxiety and panic attacks. I would love to know what you tell yourself in your head or the things you do to push that anxiety away👋✨☺ btw amazing stuff love this* you're a superstar😍✨👋💜
@@CalvinHikes I also find it so bizarre that I've been scuba diving for 17 years and feeding sharks for about 10 and that's my zen place no anxiety but nothing really goes through my head besides happiness🤷 my conclusion is I'm a weirdo lol
It's appreciated. I generally watch videos about stuff I don't know or do. It's entertaining and exciting that way. I don't watch any caving videos... cuz I already know what caves are like. So it makes sense.
@@CalvinHikesAnd also although he went with a group of people he decided to go off on his own and not following known and prescribed routes, definitely a recipe for disaster!
Rest In Peace John Jones. Could only imagine being his brother in the situation not being able to help your brother at all. Stay safe everyone. The despair and thought of it. No matter how bad a rescue, you usually get saved no matter how long. So sad this rescue failed.
Well, the flip side is that John Jones is now a caving legend/meme. Highly unlikely that people will forget him/his name for a looooong time. Not that that's any consolation for the family.
Ah reminds me of myself, there's an apartment complex that requires a key to get through, me and my friend sneak in there by having me go under the fences and opening it from the other side.
That happened before to 2 underwater cave divers, one died one lived. Also I feel they exaggerated how unlikely getting stuck in a cave is. Watch MrBallen on youtube he's got alot of documented stories of people being trapped and didn't make it. Let alone the ones that do make it
@@markouellette6868 exactly. Hope it never happens, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Ballen tells a story about one of these dudes in this video in a couple years... “The kid had been known to explore caves successfully with no problems, and had EVEN made TH-cam videos about the safety in spelunking, until one day......”
"You can increase your risk by just being really dumb" is what describes every case of getting stuck, dying in a cave or dying in an underwater cave that I've read or heard about.
@@brooksgunn5235 That’s not a cave issue. More pertinent to caves is narcosis from the oxygen mixture, which impairs your judgement. Leads to a lot of diving deaths.
@@trevordillon1921 Oh I know it's not a cave issue in particular but a diving issue. That's why you won't catch me diving unless it's open water and not that deep.
I'm so claustrophobic that, when I was little, I could not even go into my walk-in closet. My mother would get so mad because I just tossed my dirty clothes to the back.
when i was a kid i got trapped in the narrow drain, trying to grab a toy and get stuck in there. being a child is the worst bcs the fear is felt to be 10x stronger.
“Getting stuck in a cave is so rare that John Jones is the only person in recorded modern history to have it happen to”… uh, what??? It’s happened plenty of times. It happened multiple times in the years leading up to the John Jones incident, including to a 16 year old boy that got stuck in the same section that John was in (but the boy didn’t push past the corner that John did that turned into a downhill slope, not into the 70 degree slopes section John got stuck in). I assume you meant to say John was the only person to get stuck and be unable to be rescued (but I don’t think even that is the case). I get you’re trying to dispel a perceived myth that going into tight spaces in caves is likely to see a person get stuck, but I think you’ve gone too far in the other direction. To me it came across as you saying it’s all but impossible to get stuck and that impression is dangerous. I’d suggest being more careful with your wording in the future, and preferably have some friends watch the video before publishing it to make sure it hits the right tone would be a good idea.
Yeah I don’t understand, I literally just spent two days going down a TH-cam rabbit hole watching video after video of people who got stuck and died in caves.
i think hes under explaining what he means. he means the john jones incident in particular almost never happens and he really means basically 1 for 1 as to how jones died. not just any way of dying in a cave. so that includes no maps, no proper experience, going in on a whim about a childhood memory, going in head first to an area he and others dont know, continuing down an increasingly tighter hole head first, while also just randomly thinking "this will lead to the place i went to 20 years ago." almost a pedantic level of specification lol.
This whole commentary sounds exactly like when my neighbour tries convincing me to join his cult. They even have the kids trying to convince you its all fun and games.
A couple minor points withstanding, all in all, a pretty great video! First, while true labyrinthian caves ARE very rare, you don't do yourself any favors by "cheaping out" on light sources. Especially in the beginning of a caving interest, it's VERY VERY EASY to get disoriented or "turned around" in the unfamiliar surroundings of the underground. To the untrained, all rocks encrusted in mud and all mud encrusted in rocks "and crap" tend to look very much "the same". They're not kidding when they suggest you not only bring extra batteries, but at least three (3) spare sources of light. What they don't always specify is that ALL THREE sources of light (if battery powered) absolutely NEED to use the same batteries, and give similar if not the same amount of light! Yes, it IS still possible to find and use non-electric forms of light underground. Some people even greatly appreciate those. I'm no advocate either way. BUT there are impressive machinations for light involving calcium carbide, to produce acetylene gas, and reflectors to provide relatively focused and bright beams of light if they're cared for and maintained properly. They also don't "crap out" when suddenly subject to intense magnetism, as can occasionally (again VERY RARE) happen to batteries. Never EVER go underground alone. In fact, you should never be more than ten feet into the twilight zone in any group smaller than THREE (3). This allows a person to be injured/stuck, and one partner to stick around and help with "morale support", while the third goes "runner" to get back out to wherever there's a signal possible and call for help. Even in a group of three, you should keep the trek underground "light" and not attempt anything that actually requires more than one person to get through it. Otherwise, you're forced to leave someone potentially alone in the pitch-dark, while two of you go off with hopes of finding help and returning... It gets darker down there than you can probably even imagine. Most of us have no concept of "dark" before we've been in a cave. Many don't "get it" until their second or third trip with "veterans" about, when the vet's stop progression and call for "black out"... That's when everyone in the party shuts off their light-source... and suddenly you remember just how bright even the darkest night of your life on the surface was. It's the kind of darkness that you can FEEL. You really can't even see NOHTHING in that kind of dark... and most of us who spend our whole lives above ground never really get to appreciate it. While the animals (if there are populations) aren't the direct threat posed in a cave, there are plenty of caves literally teaming with life, and they are quite dangerous. Bats produce guano (shit), and it piles up inside the cave system. This decomposes with bacteria that are often genetically unique to that cave. The outgassing of ammonia is often very heavy around larger guano deposits, and it's not difficult in a cave with only one entryway to find yourself suffocating with lungs on fire in the regions where air simply isn't moving and the ammonia can collect. In fact, most "cave mud" is (in point of fact) often manure (shit again)... SO even relatively minor injuries in a cave need attention absolutely as soon as possible. Excessive amounts of attention to cleaning and administering antiseptic solutions to the wound(s) should be paid as soon as YOU GET OUTSIDE THE CAVE. Dress the wounds, but avoid stitching, even "butterfly stitching" if you can. Better to seep a little blood (so long as you won't actually bleed to death) to help clearing foreign debris and bacteria from the wound-track, than to bundle it all up tight to control or stop bleeding and retain horrible bacteria into the wound to present a disgusting infection later. Obviously, on-site, you should wipe and cover the wound/injury as soon as possible, even inside the cave... right on the spot. This (however) is more to avoid causing more harm than necessary, and NOT to actually stop any bleeding. Finally, on getting stuck... I've been stuck. Yes, I'm still here. That's because I had a TEAM with me down there, or I wouldn't have been so cavalier about my own well being. The worst instance required a few hours waiting for the team to back-track to a "gear site" to get a rope, and then return, because I'd gotten "pinned" in a narrow section of an awkward and narrow tunnel. With only enough space for one person to get a hold of me at a time, I was too stuck to get back out... BUT with a length of rope, we were able to tie off to my ankles and team about six or eight people to give a concerted yank, and rip my caving suit and break me free. In the middle of the wait, the worst was my headlamp running out of juice and plunging me into the pitch black. We were surveying, so there was a "non-zero" chance that my team could misplace me... and with no light, there was no guarantee they could find me. However, waking night-terrors and all, they did return with the rope, and I was rescued. We called it for that tunnel, and in fact, we voted that we'd made enough good progress for the day that day. Mostly, I use a simple method for making progress in tight confines. I take a deep breath before attempting to proceed INto a cave. This makes it easier to "get stuck" a little bit before I'm actually in any trouble. If I can't go forward on a deep breath, I'm reluctant to let it out and try to "squeeze through". Stay safe out and "under" there!!! ;o)
This is amazing. I'd like to pin it to the top but we pin our own comments to the top! We might find a way to feature some of this but thank you for the input.
@@CalvinHikes You're certainly welcome. I can only speak from my experience, and I only hope this helps. I wish you all the best, so help yourself as you like. ;o)
I will never use any of this information in my life but thank you very much for taking the time to share and inform. People like you are why I look through comments. The closest to pure black that I've been in was a power outage during a new moon. The power company shut the lines down just in case wind did bad things. I have blackout curtains in my room because I sleep off hours for work. The lack of local light plus no moon, plus blackout curtains is the darkest I've seen. After a few hours, I realized I could see my hand faintly, just an outline. I live near a major city and the light pollution coming over the mountains was faintly illuminating the surroundings, making some really peculiar shadows. That's the closest I've been to truly pitch black. I can't fathom absolutely no light.
@@gorisenke Some folks post to inform, and some to entertain... many more like to fight and argue... I'm glad you got something out of it, and I'm happy to share. Not to advise you do anything dangerous, particularly, but it might be worth your while to find a local "grotto" (caving group) and investigate a guided tour on one of their recreational runs... These groups often go on the "business" of surveying, but also take regular tours of caves to dip newcomers into the fun of it, as well as just to get underground and enjoy and share their noteworthy experience and wisdom... AND they often have veteran cavers who can administrate a good "black out" session (often over a lunch or snack-time) to appreciate all the light we enjoy above ground... BUT you know you a lot better than me. I rather enjoy the fact I've been the first human being to ever see some of the things I've seen, and I may well be the ONLY human being to stand or climb around a few spots, since even the rest of my team preferred to stand by in case I needed help or rescue and didn't want to venture into "such a hell of a place" themselves... haha... In any case, should you meet or know of someone who finds an interest in the "sport", you have some wit and wisdom now to help guide them in at least their relative beginnings... Whatever you decide, I wish you nothing but the best. ;o)
I think Jones underestimated both the cave and the dangers. And he was so confident in his abilities to do it without thinking too much like it's playing football after 10 years of sitting. He wasn't dumb but not smart either. I believe he remembered the good old times, he got excited, he had confident in his skills and so he thought he'd give it a try. But he forgot about his weight, he wasn't that prepared and didn't do his homework before doing so. RIP to him but people always be prepared even if that isn't caving. Think about it. Excitement leads to acts and words that you might regret later on. Stay down to earth, know yourself and your body and then do whatever it is you want to do.
He wasn’t alone though. He was with a group of people, with his brother being the one who was behind him. His brother quickly backed out when he sensed John was in trouble and went and got help while another friend stayed with John Jones.
@@CalvinHikes he went into the cave with 10 friends and family him and his brother and 2 friends split up to find a harder part and they split up going by themself and he went down and got stuck and his brother went to go help bit realised he was really stuck so backed out to call emergency services
Also, he never did Nutty Putty, and it was first/ last time. He had no mapping knowledge of it, so he went off what he thought he knew; he thought he was going through birth canal, but he was actually in an unmapped region near Ed’s push. Since birth canal apparently widens at some point, he decided to keep pushing forward which proved to be a fatal miscalculation.
I got lost in a cave in Laos. Entered with 50 percent phone battery thinking it’s enough light. Ended up spending hours walking in circles until phone died and just started screaming. Fell down a few times at 10 percent battery running around panicking. Never go alone. Thank god someone saw me enter the cave and went to rescue me.
The part about people rarely getting stuck in a cave… I don’t believe that buddy and I’ve seen more than 5videos about people being rescued from being stuck in a cave and 3 of them died
Exactly. I’d go in a cave that has some sort of beauty in it and I don’t have to go through tiny tunnels. But I don’t get going through dark holes and dirty rocks. For what? I guess I can understand the sense of adventure but there are better ways to get some adventure than this. The people who map the caves, that I understand because it’s good to know the structures beneath the Earth but for fun? I don’t get it lol.
4:46 , that would be incorrect, being in the middle of an open field during an earthquake would be a lot safer than being in an enclosed space of rock which has a slight chance of collapsing any second.
Probably. I can't speculate as to which is the absolute safest place during a specific kind of earthquake. But suffice it to say, a cave isn't as dangerous as most people think.
@@CalvinHikes listen, you know alot more than i do about caves. i was just thinking what was obvious thats all. im definately not doubting your knowledge because you are putting out very informative content.
I agree. I think Johns biggest mistake was not to consult a map before going into Nutty Putty, relying entirely on his memory of it. And even if there was just a tiny sliver of doubt about the tunnel he went in being the right one, he should've went in feet first. That way, even if you do get stuck or can't go on, it's always easier to get back out. Especially when those tunnels slope downwards (which the Birth canal also does, afaik).
@@DP-zm2bd Yeah, I don't know why this channel is saying that Jones had prior experience in Nutty Putty. It's weird to make a video like this and have the very first statement be false.
The biggest thing that stuck out to me about Jones was that he literally emptied his entire lung capacity to make himself smaller to squeeze through a gap and then got stuck after his chest popped over the squeeze because obviously your lungs expand when you breathe. I dont want to disrespect anyone but how he thought that was a good plan ASTOUNDS me.
Yeah. He did a number of things wrong and if he would have done any one of those things better he would have been fine. Just the combination of so many bad decisions. We all make bad decisions. But if you make 50 all at once underground... you're going to have a bad day.
Yeah he definitely made some really bad decisions, and that was the one that was his demise. He should have declared he was stuck at that point, but I guess he was under the impression that he could turn around once he went a little further, but was surprised to find out he wasn't able to. A mixture of freak accident and poor decisions.
@@ThouArtOfWar0724 Yes. Perhaps if he relaxed in that situation? Then breathed out fully while using his hands and feet to push onto the walls inching and dragging himself backwards. Work your way out the same way you worked in but at that point he might have started hardening and not loosing up his body etc..
My cave diving experience is the opposite. Getting lost in a cave while diving is minutes away from being fatal. Biggest concern is always visibility. Don’t touch the cave while diving.
Hey... I am a caving enthusiast and I go to tight squeeze caves alot ofc consulting a map and but it's way more different than cave diving, in land caving things are pretty chill, u don't move if u are confused and call using a button on ur helmet, it's a safety precaution
Caveman Hikes But does this ever happen? If you are crawling through a narrow entrance will you ever come head to head with someone coming the other way? What would you do if that happened or if it was too narrow to crawl backwards
@@CalvinHikes maybe you should think about it why you are the only one doing this, you can be as experienced whatsoevaaa but this is just to dangerous why risk it
This is a really good and informative video - I’m glad I found it. I don’t ever want to go into a cave I can’t stand up in but still it’s good that you’re there to allay general anxiety with straightforward logic.
It began as a self defense against people who were... upset about our previous caving videos. Like, "Hey we are safe don't worry about it." It did not work out very well that way. Although, the video has been fairly popular. We no longer defend ourselves. We just tell people off it's much more fun.
@@CalvinHikes I don't think you can completely deny the risks of cave diving. I do think it's cool to explore places like caves, and honestly I might like to do this one day. But at the same time there are other things I would rather do, things that are safer. How Jones thought it was a good idea to breathe in to contract his body is beyond me. We all make mistakes and lapses of judgement but God damn. I hope his family has healed. I wouldn't want to sleep at night knowing my siblings buried in a cave called the nutty putty cave, and how I allowed him to basically go into his grave.
Brock Clark had previously gotten stuck at Nutty Putty, Utah just after the cork screw section trying to turn around. The rescue team was able to help Brock Clark out utilizing a pulley rig system. John Jones died because he was literally upside down...i believe he would have survived if he was laying closer to being flat. You guys have excellent videos and i really like your commentary.
@@bentmercer No, not at all. Claustrophobia can be quite severe. I fainted once, I locked myself in a closet somehow. Had a panic attack and then fainted. When I saw the thumbnail I felt my chest tighten (still clicked regardless lol).
"Only one person in Modern recorded history getting stuck and dying in a cave".........meanwhile.......all the solo people that have gone out and died by themselves.
If you injure yourself and can't get out of a cave, you're stuck. Being stuck doesn't imply being physically stuck in a tight space under the earth. Being stuck can mean you can't walk out, you are trapped by water, etc. @@Thesngian
@lduff155 Thank you for speaking up for all of those people who have died in a cave that this video just ignores. This video is full of so much misinformation.
Pretty sure the context is about actual caving. Someone going in solo is a deathwish and an outlier, not actual caving and is more just suicide. It’s also impossible to “record” by the nature of it being solo. If someone goes caving “solo” but still informs people about it, then that really isn’t solo anymore because more than one person is now involved in the situation.
"You can increase your risk by just being really dumb" truer words have never been spoken And seriously the thought of crawling into a cave like this gives me such anxiety I don't know how anyone does it. You are very brave.
@@CalvinHikes I have watched multiple videos about John Jones and it scared the hell out of me. I crawl though a 11"x18" opening all the time accessing a crawlspace in my basement to do work. It is only 6" deep though and the thought of being trapped in a tube of that size literally made me physically ill. I cannot fathom what he went through. They say he had zero fear of claustraphobia but damn I would have just asked them to end me after awhile. I tried watching vids of the hellhole and could not get through the whole video. Strangely enough the more I watched the more I want to try caving. I have watched some of your tight squeeze vids and as long as I could be helped if something went wrong I think I would try them. The low ceiling passages do not look all that scary to me ( I am claustrophobic by the way). I watched a vid on the Blue crawl at tumbling rock and it did not seem all that scary. I think it is the fact of being completely immobilized is the terrifying part. With the Blue crawl there is space above you and you can even put your hand in a crack above you. The low ceiling passages seem to allow you to be able to move your arms and legs to the sides so you are not immobile. Something about having that sense of space in at least 1 plane seems mentally comforting. Tight tubes and water passages or even entering a cave that can flood would be a no go for me. I live very close to the caves of southern Indiana so I think I am going to try some of the wild caving guided tours and then contact a Grotto about beginner trips.
We mentioned Floyd Collins but not by name. We said one other caver. In any case that's the most similar death to how Jon Jones died. But it wasn't death by constriction it was death by entrapment. What Jon Jones got himself into was pretty unique.
Floyd got stuck in mammoth cave by his foot becoming trapped, not his arm. That basic information is available in every article I've read so the fact that he got that wrong makes me wonder what other info he got wrong. Telling people this is a completely safe thing to do on a platform that is mainly watched by children is just plain ignorant and dangerous. I'm a lil shocked that he has the nerve to say only 2 people have died in modern time cave exploring, that's a hairy fucking lie lol
@@rachelroberts1880 any kids watching this arent gonna notice the difference with the way he worded it. He's too careless when describing caving. He's treating it like it's a walk in the park which could give alot of young people false courage. It's nice seeing someone trying to promote caving in a positive manner and all but he might wanna consider being a lil more cautious with what he says pertaining to cave safety. Caves are dangerous for anyone
I feel bad for john jones getting stuck in a cave like that and his body is still in that cave right now my heart breaks just thinking how hard his last moments were
I bet it was unbelievably horrifying. From some experience getting jammed in tight passages it is really scary. You just have a very very small world in those passages.
Cant imagine without feeling panicked… terrible way to go. Im sure he regretted every decision that led him there. I wonder if his whole family that were down there with him weren’t positive of which canal was which… or was it just him? Youd think they would have buddied up better or made sure to only stay in familiar areas. I just cant imagine pushing myself head first into a tiny canal that is getting smaller and smaller and getting steeper. I also think you would notice that the particular canal was less traveled… you can usually tell when an area has traffic through it
I could personally never do something like this so thanks for providing this content! I also really respect how you can share your passion with your nephew while also taking it very seriously and educating him as well as having him think through tough situations before offering help to become more experienced (referring to other vids). Very responsible
Although John Jones‘ death is a very sad tragedy it’s important to speak about the different mistakes he made. Thank you for that. Sometimes it’s a kind of taboo to mention the mistakes of a poor victim, but nobody can learn from that then. You both did a really great job.
Whatever else we may have failed at I really appreciate that I guess it's a compliment. It shouldn't be taboo to talk about victims mistakes. People have long been obsessed with the nutty putty story and they deserve to know that wow its tragic it is also extremely unlikely to happen to them.
Good call. It certainly rarely yields good results. I think the main way to combat this is a serious dose of humility. Confidence is fine, but over confidence can get you hurt in a hurry for sure.
@@CalvinHikes I have a question that you might have already answered, however I will ask. Did you explore nutty putty before it was closed off? Was just curious if you were ever there. Thanks.
To be fair, the passage he went down should've been blocked off when the cave was reopened in the first place, especially since it was unexplored specifically *because* it was too small for anyone to get through. John mistook it for another passage that he knew was accessible but was also small, so he didn't know it wasn't meant to be that narrow until he could no longer move. I think the whole thing should've been blocked off so no one would accidentally mistake it for the birth canal like he had.
@@CalvinHikes The passage that John went through eventually went with gravity, it was an L shaped crevasse and a teenager was stuck there like John eventually was. However that kid was stuck with gravity.
@@countinmecrow2252Wildly terrible example. The ocean and a cave with two similar passages are completely different concepts. There absolutely should’ve been a sign or something.
This video did help me feel more reassured about caving. I still feel, however, that Nutty Putty Cave was seriously mislabeled as a cave for beginners and should have been for more advanced cavers with experience in narrow spaces. The area that John Jones got stuck in was also previously involved with a 16 year old who got stuck there after thinking it was the Birth Canal passage like John did but was able to be rescued due to being smaller and lighter than John. After that incident, I feel that area should have been blocked off somehow so that no one else would have gotten stuck there after mistaking it for the Birth Canal.
The problem with the nutty putty cave was that it did have some dangerous areeas, but was 100% public. In the era of social media, people tend to push boundaries... taking pictures and video of themselves doing dangerous things. This is a recipe for disaster. Caves can be done safely, but if they are public and people can just have a free-for-all, eventually, someone was going to get hurt.
@@CalvinHikes I completely agree. People need to be more socially conscious of what they post and the potential dangers of someone less experienced than them attempting the same thing but with tragic consequences. It's why I appreciate videos like yours so much as they educate people and teach them how to do the activity safely, rather than showing off. With regards to Nutty Putty, perhaps if its more dangerous areas had been closed off to the public and there had been a system of experienced guides in place, then John would not have gotten stuck.
Jones is not the only person to get stuck in a cave, the nutty puddy caves were closed before Jones died because many people had gotten stuck there and I'm sure it's happened in many other caves as well. Jones was unique in that he was so badly stuck that the rescuers weren't able to get him out, Al though it has taken rescuers 5+ hours to get other people out of similar situations.
@Exo Spellbreak Exactly , it just takes 1 wrong turn or trying to fit through a hole that's a tight squeeze. i've seen videos where if a caver was by himself he would pretty much be screwed, but because his friends are with him they could pull him out legs first .
@@PeninsulaPaintings the difference it was that he was without light his only source of light: a lamp had broken so he had to go from his own senses, pushing a loose rock and releasing a lot of gravel over him, dropping the sharp shapped rock into his ankle making him unable to move
I'm not even scared about getting stuck. It's the thought of being underground, with not enough room to stretch and no easy way out that gives me a panic attack. I had many nightmares that involved a similar scenario and it's probably the reason why it's one of my worst fear. But to each their own, I admire your bravery!
Sometimes thinking about not having Room to move is worse than actually being there. Even know some of these passages are small comet the ability to lay out fully is not too badd. It's when you get cramped in a little ball that's frustrating. Or when you have to back out of a space feet first. We have some terrible terrible videos coming.
I feel more trapped watching a video of the squeezes than I do actually squeezing through them. It's all perception. Do you often get stuck getting out of a car?
@@QurikOfficial like I said, i'm not terrified of getting stuck, it's not having a quick exit. I can open the car door and get out in seconds, while underground you have to crawl and walk (usually) for a long time in order to get out.
@@kat4923 it's only as far and long as you go in. Go in and out of same passages multiple times until your get comfortable being in it. That's what I did to help me get over being in narrow passages. I thought even if I get stuck I'm so close to the entrance rescue can easily get to me.
I love how so many people on this website that have never been inside a cave ever think they know more than you from watching a 15 minute video about a guy taking no safety precautions and dying doing it.
Yeah that's about how most people live their whole lives though. Including me. In a kind of willful ignorance. We aren't necessarily trying to educate from this video. We just thought it would be a fun rebuttle to all the fake horror videos about the situation. And no one believes as anyways!
Well those guys absolutely know more about cave and how to survive on it. But us common folks have a common sense to not goes in that dangerous place in the first place. No hard feelings about the hobbies tho its cool if you love it.
...those cheap remarks You made do not change a thing. Rocks still falls down, earth still orbits the sun and it is still just as terrible and insane to go into those traps, no matter how much snarkiness You could spew. Those 'people' You are dismissing are perfectly right about it. I feel that if You 'persuade' someone to do terrible act like that and things won't go smoothly - You should be locked up for a long time.
Well because he's not doing the same thing ☺️ As the video said, the only reasons you could never do it is because of your irrational fear, not backed up by logic, really. Still, i respect claustrophobic people and i understand fear is fear however I'd still encourage people to go caving in a more open cave, or just a normal one without tight passages because no matter how much you people deny it there is something beautiful about it lol
You know I can't imagine all the people that died in caves simply because it never gets reported or found which would explain why one would think it's only John jones...
@@theyounghistorian5791 It's hard too put the call of the abyss into words. Physically its a grueling test of mental and physical endurance delving deeper into the void through every means you can get your hands on. Rock climbing up a wedge before, repelling 300ft chasem, and squeezing through a tiny hole at the bottom. Using rope too cross chasms, swimming through submerged areas, sleeping 100's of feet underground anything too push the cave just a little bit farther. You load up in a complete set of heavily bundled warm fuzzy clothes, and cover it with a waterproof wading bib, waterproof shirt, boots and gloves. load yourself up with the 100's of feet of rope youll need, and say a prayer before dropping into the darkness below. It's hard too truely capture the magic of this experience, the addictive nature of pushing out limits, and exploring places no human has ever been. A place no human should be. I think this video is the closest thing ive seen too capturing the magic of the experience, I highly suggest you watch it. th-cam.com/video/7MOKTU9tCbw/w-d-xo.html
Hearing that Jon Jones story filled me with so much fear of caves. It's gotta be the worst way to go. Trapped with no way out and all you can do is wait for the end
Not to mention being UPSIDE DOWN for the entire ordeal. I guess that REALLY fucks with the body; towards the end they couldn't even merely poke his foot without him screaming in pain.
How did caves get mapped without someone thinking if I carry on I might get stuck, some of the crazy gaps you go through must have been an unknown or would there be a point a experienced caver would go back
Most experienced cavers know how to navigate a cave without a map. A good labyrinth cave will confuse most people but... Someone who is experienced with caves will have no problem in most cases. I'm not great at it yet but I have friends who can create mental maps in their heads. they literally can memorize a cave while inside it. They can go outside and sit down with a pen and paper and draw the entire cave.
It seems that they only go in to the point where they know they can still go backwards to get out. The assumption seems to be that it's a one-way kind of thing, but that doesn't seem to be the case (unless one has fucked up).
My dad's cousin is a spelunker. Once, he got stuck in a crevice he was exploring for over 6 hours before he was able to free himself. He's still alive today and still does caving, but it was definitely a frightening experience.
Yeah that's a long time to get wedged in! It does seem to be easier in vertical passages where gravity does the assist of pulling you into the crevice. Glad he got out that's a cool story but probably very scary
I disagree with the getting lost thing though. If you’re in a cave where you’re lowering yourself deeper and deeper with ropes and get in pretty deep and your flashlight dies and you have zero source of light….you are quite literally screwed! I went into a pretty massive cave here in South Africa, we lowered ourselves down with ropes via a tiny hole quite deep into the entrance of the cave where suddenly there is a tiny hole in the ground that has a solid drop of at least 10 meters onto a rock with a much larger drop on either side of it, I mean easily over 20m down the side to the bottom. Once down there we traveled for quite some time and did one standing squeeze through a wall and ended up in a pretty massive cavern with multiple tunnels leading all over. We all switched our torches off and it was a devastating darkness that you cannot even imagine. Trying to navigate your way back like that would simply be impossible, not to mention trying to find that hole in the ceiling with a rope hanging out to try get back up. Yea I would say that’s a very real danger.
Sounds like you had fun and had no problems. Actually it sounds like a cool cave but everything we said in the video is still true. We don't mean that they aren't a danger at all we just mean that they aren't primary dangers. People spend a lot of time being worried about getting lost and they end up freezing to death. In the caves around here, it's very cold and wet.
John wasn't entirely alone. He had his brother and at least a few others with him. Though, he was the first to enter the passage, and likely because he relied on memory, he ended up in an unchartered section of caves which was much further away from where he thought he was. Also, the rescue crew got him a fair way out, but the soft rock and increasing weight as he was lifted up caused a bolt to snap down, dropping him back in. Edit: I do appreciate the information you give in this video. Many people trapped in caves do manage to get out and they almost always provide help to 'beginner' cavers, such as maps or guides as you said.
Thanks. Our info wasn't all spot on. But our point was: You're unlikely to die the way John Jones did... as there are bigger threats like falling or freezing. We think we found a worse way to die than Jones. We're putting that vid together now.
“It’s safer in a cave during an earthquake than it is on the surface”.. Are you kidding me? It only takes one rock to block your only passage out, and you’re trapped.
It only takes a power line or building to fall on you and you're trapped. There's no good place in an earthquake. Maybe a helicopter. Or if you can find an open field. Caves in general do not collapse very easily. Or ever.
@@CalvinHikes in land we freely get into open space or ground fastly but in cave we not so fast while earthquake so cave is also dangerous beacuse its blocks the way you to get out so there is nothing in the cave only rock what are you doing this and what for it no use at all
I'll still suffer from claustrophobia since I got stuck in a cave passage for a couple of minutes, it sucked because I was thirsty and I wanted to drink
You guys are awesome!. I love watching your adventures . I can feel my claustrophobia kick in watching you squeeze and crawl through. However the more I've watched its actually begun to make me feel less claustrophobia in all situations . So Thank you for sharing these videos ! Jacob is my hero ! 💪🫣🫡
1:34 "takes a very specific and special set of circumstances in order to get stuck in a cave" Narrator pretty much called him a dumb ass in a polite way lol.
Well, some of the circumstances were uncontrollable by John. Like the configuration of that cave. Having many similar, tight, vertical passages. It was a public cave. These are also things which contribute to the possibility of trouble. So even if it's all on John, we're not poking fun at what happened. It sucked for him, it's just not likely to happen to anyone else.
I dont get why they didn't bother to at least get his corpse out. So his family could have a proper funeral and not knowing his dead body is still in there...
Honestly that's really bullshit. The area he got stuck in wasn't too hard to reach. A whole search team got there. His corpse has to of shrank a little making it easier to pull out. Even if it does still break his legs, it's a corpse. Like bodies in way more dangerous situations have been recovered so the fact that they gave up on that is bullshit to me.
What you guys didn't mention is that his family was already outside the cave waiting for him after he led them on a little excursions in the open parts of the cave. His pregnant wife was waiting outthere and there was a rescue team who tried to get him, but he died of blood rush to the head after a full day upside down
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Wow, very cool! Thx for sharing all the info! I had been watching the John Jones cave disaster vids just recently and you just answered all my questions! I seem to recall news of another kid getting stuck in the Nutty Putty cave before John Jones, but he was apparently smaller and was able to be freed. I think it was wise of them to plug that cave.
Two kids got stuck before in Nuttty Putty prior to Jones death. That tells me that depending on the cave, getting stuck is a very real concern in some caves. I've watched Nutty Putty crawl video....and yeah, you can get jammed and getting you out of those fox holes could be a nightmare because it's so hard to get the equipment there.
I was going to mention bad air and radon gas although I'm not sure if that's more of a mine risk? Im a novice caver in the uk and we have a very good cave rescue service. although this still relies on telling people where you are prior to going underground and what time you expect to be out etc. Do you not have something similar?
What are you talking about, TH-cam is full of cave disasters, people getting stuck and drowned in flood waters etc.
Kinda disrespectful af with the multitude of deaths that have happened in caves 🤦🏽 not just that one guy especially William who died even though he had a guide with him, and the other multitude of people needing professional assistance after becoming stuck in caves that thankfully survived and could've easily have died 🤷🏽 but sure lets just call them dumb right? Don't be afraid if you don't want to be, but don't undermined the deaths and horrors of what has happened. Anything can happen, and not all the deaths were even the cavers faults.
Regular people: Stress of public speaking, Claustrophobic
This kid: Gives a Ted talk under ground.
Lol, good one. In fairness, it takes several passes before we get the video we want. But dang if Jacob wont be giving some grade-A class presentations if he ever gets to go back to school.
Caveman Hikes good video also brave kid
I want to go cave climbing
Hahaha it was a great intro
@@charlielong7836 don’t.
"Getting lost in a cave is a rather difficult task"
You sir underestimate my abilities.
I can get lost in a minecraft cave
Challenge accepted!
I’m a raccoon.. hold my feckin beer
Speedrun for getting lost
indeed
The kid is a pretty good presenter congrats to him
Thanks. This has been good for him... learning eye contact, clear speaking... he's become MUCH better over time. Whether the channel blows up or not, this is a good thing to learn.
@@CalvinHikes i thought the channel was his
@@Bashki-tech I suppose it's my channel but we share it. He logs in to answer comments sometimes but I'm the one that takes the video and edits the video. But I tell him it's his channel. Hes My cavin buddy And he brings a ton of energy to the videos!
@@CalvinHikes amazing speaker, got my attention immediately. English is not my main language but I'm pretty good at it, the info was very well presented also for non native English speakers. Congrats
His school video projects must be great
these skinwalkers trying to lure us into their caves saying it’s totally safe
Hahaha
Lol
No, just that if you're careful enough and don't make any unnecessary risks.
They think they can fool us
@@carloz1536 another skinwalker detected
Me in a narrow cave : **little bit worried**
This kid : *JOHN JONES GOT STUCK AND DIED IN A HOLE MUCH LIKE THIS*
lmao yea
Kid was too brave.
hahaha 😂
Jones tunnel was vertical and narrowed more and more as he went on
how can u even go in a hole like that
The real mistake John made was thinking he was in a different part of the cave than he actually was. He believed he was at the beginning of the birth canal, when in reality he was in a completely different passage. Any way you look at it, it was a tragedy.
The real mistake was the authority did not seal off that death trap after two previous near misses involving two other people. It has to be sufficient warning to seal it but they did not.
he was also not alone his brother was there with him right behind him
He should’ve used a map and not gone off of memory then
I recently watched an episode of Fascinating Horror about that incident. I was up late one night, couldn't sleep. After watching that, didn't sleep a wink, every time I shut my eyes all I could think of was being trapped in a cave. That poor bastard, what a way to go.
@@Alex-lt5ho He should've gone to Specsavers.
"You can increase your risk by just being really dumb"
Well I guess that cancels it out for me
Being aware of your own limitations probably makes you smarter than most people right of the bat!
Thing is, i can panic in small spaces easily...idk why, im not claustrophobic but any indication of getting stuck makes me panic, which could lead me to getting myself stuck.
Im also not really aware of my surrounding (sometimes) so, it wouldnt be very safe for me
Atleast you're aware of your own ignorance, most people are too wrapped up in their own ego to acknowledge they may not be the smartest. If you are aware you aren't very smart, than that just makes you a little bit more intelligent lol not alot, just a little
Which is most of people are especially if you don't know anything about cave
Sean H if we’re talking about long term then it’ll multiply he’ll/she’ll be able to avoid situations,and save lots of time
This was really informative and helpful thanks for what you guys do and please make sure to always come out of those caves for us!
so you are not really buying what they are saying? I think you shouldn't either
@@softbreeze941 elaborate
Informative?
What are they doing there?
What is the purpose?
Me watching a cave video: *extremely uncomfortable*
Some kid: John Jones died in a hole a lot like this
HAHSHAHHAHSHD SAME
Hahahaha yeah bro like whyyyyy
"And I too am stuck"😂😂
I think the kids name is Jacob.
I literally died
“A cave is not a place you could get lost in”.
Me looking for diamonds: ._.
I got lost in a cave in minecraft lol
Redux G just mine up
A normal weeb BROO IM OUTT THANK YOU 😂😂
@@splashiernutt7832 Thank u my dude
I never get lost. I out torches on the right side when going IN the cave, so to leave just make sure the torches are in the left.
Gotta admit, that intro was dope.
Reduce patreon prices you ..
I was scared for 'em
@Ayden Prickett yessss
@Ayden Prickett hi
Disagree
#1 rule whether you’re hiking, caving, diving, camping, kayaking or what have you… make sure you tell someone your plans, where you’re going, and when you should be back.
Even though they knew john jones was stuck they literally couldnt pull him out he was just too far deep too In there . And head first so blood rushing to his head Meant there was only so much time he could survive in that position.
Can I tell you? I'm going hiking to the nearby forest and should be back in about 4 hours
@@RJiiFin ehhh ok, you planning to post again when you get back? 😂
@@ValensBellator Ok, I'm back, thanks for keeping a lookout for me! Sorry, it took awhile, I had to take shelter from rain in a cave and fell asleep. And when I was sleeping I guess the rain carried me deeper in and I almost didn't find my way out
@@RJiiFin 😂
I wouldnt die from being lost, id die from my Anxiety hitting me like a Semi truck
You gotta push that anxiety down!
@@CalvinHikes How what are your methods? It's amazing how you can keep your composure! I suffer from paralyzing anxiety and panic attacks. I would love to know what you tell yourself in your head or the things you do to push that anxiety away👋✨☺ btw amazing stuff love this* you're a superstar😍✨👋💜
@@CalvinHikes I also find it so bizarre that I've been scuba diving for 17 years and feeding sharks for about 10 and that's my zen place no anxiety but nothing really goes through my head besides happiness🤷 my conclusion is I'm a weirdo lol
This is such a mood
@@tripiehendrix1 just do it more and more or just dont do it
I can't comment on anything you've missed as I'm not a caver, I just like watching your videos and adventures, great vid guys
It's appreciated. I generally watch videos about stuff I don't know or do. It's entertaining and exciting that way. I don't watch any caving videos... cuz I already know what caves are like. So it makes sense.
Same
Caveman Hikes I could not fit in any of that tiny stuff y’all fit into I’m so claustrophobic I’ll probably have a panic attack
Caveman Hikes..... and I love your videos even know I get scared for y’all
Did you think they were waiting for you to tell them what they did wrong? 😂 What a pedestal you put yourself on....
RIP John Jones, a terrible, terrible way to go. May the Universe rest your soul.
Even though it's only happened once, John Jones death has had the effect of giving every caver a sense of caution about exploring tight spaces.
@@CalvinHikesAnd also although he went with a group of people he decided to go off on his own and not following known and prescribed routes, definitely a recipe for disaster!
@@CalvinHikes now that i know how rare that type of death is, it makes me feel even sadder for him...Anyway this is very informative
Tinhamodic I mean he was being very dumb doing that but he was a good person
@Jimmy Crackcorn they can't get him out, ever
Rest In Peace John Jones. Could only imagine being his brother in the situation not being able to help your brother at all. Stay safe everyone. The despair and thought of it. No matter how bad a rescue, you usually get saved no matter how long. So sad this rescue failed.
He made it even worse by helping, because of him he slipped deeper inside...
@@MadeInGER he paid with his life for his silly choices.
Well, the flip side is that John Jones is now a caving legend/meme. Highly unlikely that people will forget him/his name for a looooong time.
Not that that's any consolation for the family.
Normal kids: Omg im not going in a cave
This kid: JOHN JONES DIED IN A CAVE MUCH LIKE THIS
Right hahaha
Ajajajahahahahahahahaahahah
I was not expecting that intro lol
That intro
Savage
Nobody:
TH-cam algorithm: Here's a video about cave safety
Lol. I'm not mad! It's actually SUPER encouraging for us... knowing that TH-cam is randomly force feeding our videos to strangers!
Caveman Hikes I’m kind of glad it was recommended
ENOUGH WITH THE RECOMMENDED COMMENTS!
Lol
Brave kid and he has the advantage of being a child
That Kid Is A Freakin Daredevil
Ah reminds me of myself, there's an apartment complex that requires a key to get through, me and my friend sneak in there by having me go under the fences and opening it from the other side.
He’s brave unlike me
@@Zetr0 Damn, the kid in the video is so much cooler than you
Sea Noob lmao true
Reminds me of the guy talking about how safe his submarine is.
Except here I am, about to go to bed comfortably and he's dead.
@@CalvinHikesMay the lord protect you and your family. And everyone who seek thrills in places where normal people would refuse to venture 🙏
@CalvinHikes lol well to be fair he spouted bullshit for quite some time before dying. So give yourself time
@@CalvinHikes Survivor Bias at its finest.
@Caveman Hikes Are you guys still going to put out videos? I really hope so.
Everybody gangsta till the caves entrance or exit is blocked off.
OH MY GOSH DID YOU NOT BRING TORCHES
GIVE ME YOUR COORDINATES IM COMIN
John didn't spend enough time throwing gang signs, to find out how hard the opening was.
True statement. Aint no amount of street cred gonna save your ass when your upside down headfirst stuck in an underground crevice.
That happened before to 2 underwater cave divers, one died one lived. Also I feel they exaggerated how unlikely getting stuck in a cave is. Watch MrBallen on youtube he's got alot of documented stories of people being trapped and didn't make it. Let alone the ones that do make it
@@markouellette6868 exactly. Hope it never happens, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Ballen tells a story about one of these dudes in this video in a couple years...
“The kid had been known to explore caves successfully with no problems, and had EVEN made TH-cam videos about the safety in spelunking, until one day......”
"You can increase your risk by just being really dumb" is what describes every case of getting stuck, dying in a cave or dying in an underwater cave that I've read or heard about.
He basically made his own grave and the dumbest part is that he had a kid and he was having a kid coming in 2010 that's the worst way to die🤦🏾♂️
Look up Delta P, though. There's an example of something you probably won't expect diving.
@@brooksgunn5235 That’s not a cave issue. More pertinent to caves is narcosis from the oxygen mixture, which impairs your judgement. Leads to a lot of diving deaths.
@@trevordillon1921 Oh I know it's not a cave issue in particular but a diving issue. That's why you won't catch me diving unless it's open water and not that deep.
I don’t like the idea of going underground surrounded by rock in a tight passage
Welcome to the claustrophobic family!
Above ground gang 🔥
I'm so claustrophobic that, when I was little, I could not even go into my walk-in closet. My mother would get so mad because I just tossed my dirty clothes to the back.
when i was a kid i got trapped in the narrow drain, trying to grab a toy and get stuck in there. being a child is the worst bcs the fear is felt to be 10x stronger.
I am not too claustrophobic but I'll have trouble breathing (even if the place has tons of air) if the space gets smaller than my closet
“Getting stuck in a cave is so rare that John Jones is the only person in recorded modern history to have it happen to”… uh, what??? It’s happened plenty of times. It happened multiple times in the years leading up to the John Jones incident, including to a 16 year old boy that got stuck in the same section that John was in (but the boy didn’t push past the corner that John did that turned into a downhill slope, not into the 70 degree slopes section John got stuck in).
I assume you meant to say John was the only person to get stuck and be unable to be rescued (but I don’t think even that is the case).
I get you’re trying to dispel a perceived myth that going into tight spaces in caves is likely to see a person get stuck, but I think you’ve gone too far in the other direction. To me it came across as you saying it’s all but impossible to get stuck and that impression is dangerous. I’d suggest being more careful with your wording in the future, and preferably have some friends watch the video before publishing it to make sure it hits the right tone would be a good idea.
No
@@CalvinHikesdude
Yeah I don’t understand, I literally just spent two days going down a TH-cam rabbit hole watching video after video of people who got stuck and died in caves.
i think hes under explaining what he means. he means the john jones incident in particular almost never happens and he really means basically 1 for 1 as to how jones died. not just any way of dying in a cave. so that includes no maps, no proper experience, going in on a whim about a childhood memory, going in head first to an area he and others dont know, continuing down an increasingly tighter hole head first, while also just randomly thinking "this will lead to the place i went to 20 years ago." almost a pedantic level of specification lol.
the kid crawling through that tunnel gives me paralyzing anxiety
Us too. ; )
I could barely watch it.
Yeah....
Its creepy or is that just me
Yep me too I’m literally crying while in class because of this
him: "cave is the safest structure during an earthquake"
also him: would I want to be here in a earthquake? *No*
Correct. It would be terrifying but you likely be OK.
Hahaha
@@CalvinHikes physically, maybe
Ikr, safer like you might be safe in one cavern. doesn't mean exits will not blocked with moved stone or debris 😬
Lol
This whole commentary sounds exactly like when my neighbour tries convincing me to join his cult. They even have the kids trying to convince you its all fun and games.
Yes... join the caves. The caves are safe. Your family can have their own cave. Caves loves you.
Hahaha exactly .. trying so hard to sell the monthly magazine subscription
🤣🤣🤣🤣
What’s the cults name
@@janedaniel5217 caveism
I was once in a cave during an earthquake and i have to say it was actually pretty frightening! 30 years later I still have a vivid memory of it.
Did you feel the tremors alot?
Yea right, I was in a building once and that was bad enough...😅
Really? What cave?
A couple minor points withstanding, all in all, a pretty great video!
First, while true labyrinthian caves ARE very rare, you don't do yourself any favors by "cheaping out" on light sources. Especially in the beginning of a caving interest, it's VERY VERY EASY to get disoriented or "turned around" in the unfamiliar surroundings of the underground. To the untrained, all rocks encrusted in mud and all mud encrusted in rocks "and crap" tend to look very much "the same". They're not kidding when they suggest you not only bring extra batteries, but at least three (3) spare sources of light. What they don't always specify is that ALL THREE sources of light (if battery powered) absolutely NEED to use the same batteries, and give similar if not the same amount of light!
Yes, it IS still possible to find and use non-electric forms of light underground. Some people even greatly appreciate those. I'm no advocate either way. BUT there are impressive machinations for light involving calcium carbide, to produce acetylene gas, and reflectors to provide relatively focused and bright beams of light if they're cared for and maintained properly. They also don't "crap out" when suddenly subject to intense magnetism, as can occasionally (again VERY RARE) happen to batteries.
Never EVER go underground alone. In fact, you should never be more than ten feet into the twilight zone in any group smaller than THREE (3). This allows a person to be injured/stuck, and one partner to stick around and help with "morale support", while the third goes "runner" to get back out to wherever there's a signal possible and call for help. Even in a group of three, you should keep the trek underground "light" and not attempt anything that actually requires more than one person to get through it. Otherwise, you're forced to leave someone potentially alone in the pitch-dark, while two of you go off with hopes of finding help and returning...
It gets darker down there than you can probably even imagine. Most of us have no concept of "dark" before we've been in a cave. Many don't "get it" until their second or third trip with "veterans" about, when the vet's stop progression and call for "black out"... That's when everyone in the party shuts off their light-source... and suddenly you remember just how bright even the darkest night of your life on the surface was. It's the kind of darkness that you can FEEL. You really can't even see NOHTHING in that kind of dark... and most of us who spend our whole lives above ground never really get to appreciate it.
While the animals (if there are populations) aren't the direct threat posed in a cave, there are plenty of caves literally teaming with life, and they are quite dangerous. Bats produce guano (shit), and it piles up inside the cave system. This decomposes with bacteria that are often genetically unique to that cave. The outgassing of ammonia is often very heavy around larger guano deposits, and it's not difficult in a cave with only one entryway to find yourself suffocating with lungs on fire in the regions where air simply isn't moving and the ammonia can collect.
In fact, most "cave mud" is (in point of fact) often manure (shit again)... SO even relatively minor injuries in a cave need attention absolutely as soon as possible. Excessive amounts of attention to cleaning and administering antiseptic solutions to the wound(s) should be paid as soon as YOU GET OUTSIDE THE CAVE. Dress the wounds, but avoid stitching, even "butterfly stitching" if you can. Better to seep a little blood (so long as you won't actually bleed to death) to help clearing foreign debris and bacteria from the wound-track, than to bundle it all up tight to control or stop bleeding and retain horrible bacteria into the wound to present a disgusting infection later. Obviously, on-site, you should wipe and cover the wound/injury as soon as possible, even inside the cave... right on the spot. This (however) is more to avoid causing more harm than necessary, and NOT to actually stop any bleeding.
Finally, on getting stuck... I've been stuck. Yes, I'm still here. That's because I had a TEAM with me down there, or I wouldn't have been so cavalier about my own well being. The worst instance required a few hours waiting for the team to back-track to a "gear site" to get a rope, and then return, because I'd gotten "pinned" in a narrow section of an awkward and narrow tunnel. With only enough space for one person to get a hold of me at a time, I was too stuck to get back out... BUT with a length of rope, we were able to tie off to my ankles and team about six or eight people to give a concerted yank, and rip my caving suit and break me free. In the middle of the wait, the worst was my headlamp running out of juice and plunging me into the pitch black. We were surveying, so there was a "non-zero" chance that my team could misplace me... and with no light, there was no guarantee they could find me. However, waking night-terrors and all, they did return with the rope, and I was rescued. We called it for that tunnel, and in fact, we voted that we'd made enough good progress for the day that day.
Mostly, I use a simple method for making progress in tight confines. I take a deep breath before attempting to proceed INto a cave. This makes it easier to "get stuck" a little bit before I'm actually in any trouble. If I can't go forward on a deep breath, I'm reluctant to let it out and try to "squeeze through". Stay safe out and "under" there!!! ;o)
This is amazing. I'd like to pin it to the top but we pin our own comments to the top! We might find a way to feature some of this but thank you for the input.
@@CalvinHikes You're certainly welcome. I can only speak from my experience, and I only hope this helps. I wish you all the best, so help yourself as you like. ;o)
I will never use any of this information in my life but thank you very much for taking the time to share and inform. People like you are why I look through comments.
The closest to pure black that I've been in was a power outage during a new moon. The power company shut the lines down just in case wind did bad things. I have blackout curtains in my room because I sleep off hours for work. The lack of local light plus no moon, plus blackout curtains is the darkest I've seen.
After a few hours, I realized I could see my hand faintly, just an outline. I live near a major city and the light pollution coming over the mountains was faintly illuminating the surroundings, making some really peculiar shadows. That's the closest I've been to truly pitch black. I can't fathom absolutely no light.
@@gorisenke Some folks post to inform, and some to entertain... many more like to fight and argue... I'm glad you got something out of it, and I'm happy to share.
Not to advise you do anything dangerous, particularly, but it might be worth your while to find a local "grotto" (caving group) and investigate a guided tour on one of their recreational runs... These groups often go on the "business" of surveying, but also take regular tours of caves to dip newcomers into the fun of it, as well as just to get underground and enjoy and share their noteworthy experience and wisdom... AND they often have veteran cavers who can administrate a good "black out" session (often over a lunch or snack-time) to appreciate all the light we enjoy above ground...
BUT you know you a lot better than me. I rather enjoy the fact I've been the first human being to ever see some of the things I've seen, and I may well be the ONLY human being to stand or climb around a few spots, since even the rest of my team preferred to stand by in case I needed help or rescue and didn't want to venture into "such a hell of a place" themselves... haha...
In any case, should you meet or know of someone who finds an interest in the "sport", you have some wit and wisdom now to help guide them in at least their relative beginnings... Whatever you decide, I wish you nothing but the best. ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 you haven't lived until you've had sex in a cave. any tips you can offer?
You look like the kid from home alone lmao
Yoo I swear he does 😂
Now, I look like him... in his 40s and lived a hard life. ; )
KEVIN
@@missstealyowife4930 is that a star wars reference?
that's what i thought
"There's no way you can get lost in a cave"
Me trying to remember where i parked my car: ?
LOL
LMAO
Me trying to remember where is my phone when it is in my hand
I think Jones underestimated both the cave and the dangers. And he was so confident in his abilities to do it without thinking too much like it's playing football after 10 years of sitting. He wasn't dumb but not smart either. I believe he remembered the good old times, he got excited, he had confident in his skills and so he thought he'd give it a try. But he forgot about his weight, he wasn't that prepared and didn't do his homework before doing so. RIP to him but people always be prepared even if that isn't caving. Think about it. Excitement leads to acts and words that you might regret later on. Stay down to earth, know yourself and your body and then do whatever it is you want to do.
Kid of the cave, lend me your wisdom.
don't get stuck
@@doomgod5949 all hail the lord
@@doomgod5949 How to not die early?
*DON'T DIE*
That's his name now lol
He wasn’t alone though. He was with a group of people, with his brother being the one who was behind him. His brother quickly backed out when he sensed John was in trouble and went and got help while another friend stayed with John Jones.
Thanks. Maybe we missed that. A few people have agreed with you.
dave ortwine nope, he went with a group of folks, but broke up from the group into a smaller group with his brother being one of them.
@@CalvinHikes he went into the cave with 10 friends and family him and his brother and 2 friends split up to find a harder part and they split up going by themself and he went down and got stuck and his brother went to go help bit realised he was really stuck so backed out to call emergency services
I think one of the rescuers got stuck with him for a bit too
Also, he never did Nutty Putty, and it was first/ last time. He had no mapping knowledge of it, so he went off what he thought he knew; he thought he was going through birth canal, but he was actually in an unmapped region near Ed’s push. Since birth canal apparently widens at some point, he decided to keep pushing forward which proved to be a fatal miscalculation.
I got lost in a cave in Laos.
Entered with 50 percent phone battery thinking it’s enough light. Ended up spending hours walking in circles until phone died and just started screaming. Fell down a few times at 10 percent battery running around panicking.
Never go alone.
Thank god someone saw me enter the cave and went to rescue me.
Thats crazy! Glad you made it out.
But did you eventually make it out of that cave? 😁
Laos? Yeah. You are very lucky. Laotian caves are no joke.
Whole lee shit 😂
@@HighlanderNorth1 No, but he did find a charger and spends his days watching youtube and eating bats
The part about people rarely getting stuck in a cave… I don’t believe that buddy and I’ve seen more than 5videos about people being rescued from being stuck in a cave and 3 of them died
I'll let Buddy know
@@CalvinHikes cope asnwer
If I can't explore it standing up, I'm not going in. What's there to see anyway? Darkness and dirt. "Oh look, a dark, empty room. Let's find another."
minecraft diamonds
Agreed 100%, I can see stalagtites in walk or crouch caves, I can also get out if my o2 monitor chirps or detects h2s
Exactly. I’d go in a cave that has some sort of beauty in it and I don’t have to go through tiny tunnels. But I don’t get going through dark holes and dirty rocks. For what? I guess I can understand the sense of adventure but there are better ways to get some adventure than this. The people who map the caves, that I understand because it’s good to know the structures beneath the Earth but for fun? I don’t get it lol.
Dude you need iron armour EVENTUALLY
Its for fun, if you dont get it then its fine
4:46 , that would be incorrect, being in the middle of an open field during an earthquake would be a lot safer than being in an enclosed space of rock which has a slight chance of collapsing any second.
Probably. I can't speculate as to which is the absolute safest place during a specific kind of earthquake. But suffice it to say, a cave isn't as dangerous as most people think.
@@CalvinHikes listen, you know alot more than i do about caves. i was just thinking what was obvious thats all. im definately not doubting your knowledge because you are putting out very informative content.
Safest place during a earth quake is in the sky
@@Mr.Elf_T4YT how are you going to get to the sky then lmao
@@clangon if i jump high enough i might stay up ther 😂
“Getting lost in a cave is a rather difficult task”
Challenge accepted.
Your with that one alone
@@Asa_TheNightmare I was rescued already I’m fine 😁
@@anthonykelly913 You actually did it!?.. well your actually more brave than me
@@Asa_TheNightmare yep😁😌
I agree. I think Johns biggest mistake was not to consult a map before going into Nutty Putty, relying entirely on his memory of it. And even if there was just a tiny sliver of doubt about the tunnel he went in being the right one, he should've went in feet first. That way, even if you do get stuck or can't go on, it's always easier to get back out. Especially when those tunnels slope downwards (which the Birth canal also does, afaik).
They had a map and this was the first time John went into Nutty Putty
@@DP-zm2bd Yeah, I don't know why this channel is saying that Jones had prior experience in Nutty Putty. It's weird to make a video like this and have the very first statement be false.
@@perfectlycalm3635that was what was always reported.. it may not be true, but that is the info that was reported by multiple outlets
Kid is literally reenacting the part how John Jones died as chill as possible.
Ya wtf lol
The kid is much smaller, wasn’t all the way in the cave, knew the layout of the cave, and was with another person
Shuba Ducc
Fr the kid built different
He built hell diffrent
The biggest thing that stuck out to me about Jones was that he literally emptied his entire lung capacity to make himself smaller to squeeze through a gap and then got stuck after his chest popped over the squeeze because obviously your lungs expand when you breathe. I dont want to disrespect anyone but how he thought that was a good plan ASTOUNDS me.
Yeah. He did a number of things wrong and if he would have done any one of those things better he would have been fine. Just the combination of so many bad decisions.
We all make bad decisions. But if you make 50 all at once underground... you're going to have a bad day.
Yeah he definitely made some really bad decisions, and that was the one that was his demise. He should have declared he was stuck at that point, but I guess he was under the impression that he could turn around once he went a little further, but was surprised to find out he wasn't able to. A mixture of freak accident and poor decisions.
@@JonCollinsMedia Even if he could turn around it would of still been hard to come back. If you have to empty your lungs 🫁 to fit thats a no go.
@@ThouArtOfWar0724 Yes. Perhaps if he relaxed in that situation? Then breathed out fully while using his hands and feet to push onto the walls inching and dragging himself backwards. Work your way out the same way you worked in but at that point he might have started hardening and not loosing up his body etc..
If you pizza when you're supposed to french fry you're gonna have a bad time
No matter what you say I’ll still be terrified of caves.
Cool. Probably a good idea. ; )
Caveman Hikes U good homie?
@Nick does Quad drumming john johns
i not but when it come to ridculys tight spaces like tihs im out
@@motokid1492 ridiculous*
My cave diving experience is the opposite. Getting lost in a cave while diving is minutes away from being fatal. Biggest concern is always visibility. Don’t touch the cave while diving.
Hey... I am a caving enthusiast and I go to tight squeeze caves alot ofc consulting a map and but it's way more different than cave diving, in land caving things are pretty chill, u don't move if u are confused and call using a button on ur helmet, it's a safety precaution
"Getting lost in a cave is a rather difficult task"
I got lost once trying to put a sweater on ...
Side note: sweaters and caves are a terrible mix.
Lmao!
The Joke flew over your head.
@@nuone_9636 I don’t think he was even referencing the joke. He said side note lmao
@@CalvinHikes What about preventing hypothermia?
Guy wasn't even in the right place for caving. He was well over 200 pounds and was a big guy, no matter how skinny he looked
It's just dumb
Everybody gangster until another group of people is coming down while you want to get up.
What group of people? We're the only ones doing this! ; )
Caveman Hikes
But does this ever happen? If you are crawling through a narrow entrance will you ever come head to head with someone coming the other way? What would you do if that happened or if it was too narrow to crawl backwards
Your well cool copying peoples comments
@@luigi9230 its not that hard of a question to come up with fool
@@CalvinHikes maybe you should think about it why you are the only one doing this, you can be as experienced whatsoevaaa but this is just to dangerous why risk it
This is a really good and informative video - I’m glad I found it. I don’t ever want to go into a cave I can’t stand up in but still it’s good that you’re there to allay general anxiety with straightforward logic.
Thank you!
I’d rather be flying in a plane or something during an earthquake
Yes I'm sure that would be safer.
bruh
Imagine if the entry and exit of the cave is closed by earthquake .....its better to die outside or try to survive than having a painful death...😶
that’s just being in an airplane the earthquake doesn’t effect you
I'd rather be In the International Space Station or something during an asteroid impact
This video should be called; "dudes who love caves, defend caves"
It began as a self defense against people who were... upset about our previous caving videos. Like, "Hey we are safe don't worry about it."
It did not work out very well that way. Although, the video has been fairly popular.
We no longer defend ourselves. We just tell people off it's much more fun.
@@CalvinHikes I don't think you can completely deny the risks of cave diving. I do think it's cool to explore places like caves, and honestly I might like to do this one day. But at the same time there are other things I would rather do, things that are safer.
How Jones thought it was a good idea to breathe in to contract his body is beyond me. We all make mistakes and lapses of judgement but God damn. I hope his family has healed. I wouldn't want to sleep at night knowing my siblings buried in a cave called the nutty putty cave, and how I allowed him to basically go into his grave.
This is like a presentation about drugs and how good they actually are by a user in school.
@@nonenone2669 um....cave diving and drugs are not the same.......
@@idk2211 yeah your right cave diving is just really dumb idea
Brock Clark had previously gotten stuck at Nutty Putty, Utah just after the cork screw section trying to turn around. The rescue team was able to help Brock Clark out utilizing a pulley rig system. John Jones died because he was literally upside down...i believe he would have survived if he was laying closer to being flat. You guys have excellent videos and i really like your commentary.
Thank you so much!
I respect the heck out of this kid but I'll never be partaking in this hobby.
Los Trem if your in a group then as long as you stick together you’ll be fine, most caves aren’t just constant crawling like how it looks in videos
@@elkermito4763 it's the phobia that gets us
You spelled "deathwish" wrong.
@H H the caves Ive been to are 50% crouch walking, 30% just walking, 19% wading through water, 1% crawling. 99% of caves aren’t just squeezing around
@H H yeah I even am scared of when I have to crawl even if it’s only 10 ft of crawling it’s still horrible
My claustrophobia is triggered just seeing the thumbnail.
Good. Let the claustrophobia flow through you...
It's not claustrophobia, it's called common sense
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@@CalvinHikes it is and i cant make it go away
@@bentmercer No, not at all. Claustrophobia can be quite severe. I fainted once, I locked myself in a closet somehow. Had a panic attack and then fainted. When I saw the thumbnail I felt my chest tighten (still clicked regardless lol).
Why even cave? I get anxiety just watching this video.
We like the anxiety.
Caveman Hikes You’re braver than I am, brother. Hahahahaha
Some people like it some people dont
Adrenalin junkies
@@CalvinHikes Adventure is life
"Only one person in Modern recorded history getting stuck and dying in a cave".........meanwhile.......all the solo people that have gone out and died by themselves.
What makes you think they got stuck and not just Injured themselves?
If you injure yourself and can't get out of a cave, you're stuck. Being stuck doesn't imply being physically stuck in a tight space under the earth. Being stuck can mean you can't walk out, you are trapped by water, etc. @@Thesngian
@lduff155 Thank you for speaking up for all of those people who have died in a cave that this video just ignores. This video is full of so much misinformation.
@@AndrewWhiteKhantywhat other people? Post some links you are referring to please.
Pretty sure the context is about actual caving. Someone going in solo is a deathwish and an outlier, not actual caving and is more just suicide. It’s also impossible to “record” by the nature of it being solo. If someone goes caving “solo” but still informs people about it, then that really isn’t solo anymore because more than one person is now involved in the situation.
Why y’all tryna coax me into a cave?🤨
It feels like they’re trying to persuade me to get into a narrow cave 😂
Because its way more fun than it looks.
1, no small caves suck
2, ya it can be fun if the cave has some stand up room
"You can increase your risk by just being really dumb" truer words have never been spoken
And seriously the thought of crawling into a cave like this gives me such anxiety I don't know how anyone does it. You are very brave.
Thank you. We're only brave if it scared us at first. Brave would be if YOU did it! ; )
Staying out of caves reduces my risk of being stuck or trapped in a cave to nearly 0%. If I ever meet Ed Sorenson, it's going to be above ground!
@@CalvinHikes I have watched multiple videos about John Jones and it scared the hell out of me. I crawl though a 11"x18" opening all the time accessing a crawlspace in my basement to do work. It is only 6" deep though and the thought of being trapped in a tube of that size literally made me physically ill. I cannot fathom what he went through. They say he had zero fear of claustraphobia but damn I would have just asked them to end me after awhile. I tried watching vids of the hellhole and could not get through the whole video. Strangely enough the more I watched the more I want to try caving. I have watched some of your tight squeeze vids and as long as I could be helped if something went wrong I think I would try them. The low ceiling passages do not look all that scary to me ( I am claustrophobic by the way). I watched a vid on the Blue crawl at tumbling rock and it did not seem all that scary. I think it is the fact of being completely immobilized is the terrifying part. With the Blue crawl there is space above you and you can even put your hand in a crack above you. The low ceiling passages seem to allow you to be able to move your arms and legs to the sides so you are not immobile. Something about having that sense of space in at least 1 plane seems mentally comforting. Tight tubes and water passages or even entering a cave that can flood would be a no go for me. I live very close to the caves of southern Indiana so I think I am going to try some of the wild caving guided tours and then contact a Grotto about beginner trips.
@@duncanevy negative, don't do it.
Problem is everyone makes dumb decisions in the moment occasionally.
Well if you get lost just dig up and build up
Too risky gravel might fall on you or lava
this is not mine craft
@@EpicWheatleyWOW R/wooooosh
@@EpicWheatleyWOW it is
@@EpicWheatleyWOW true is not minecraft but IRL I've had my bucket with water and the lava never harmed me.
There is more than two deaths from getting stuck in caves… those two are just well known. Rare but horrifying
i was gonna say the same thing...there are MILLIONS of stories like his
maybe not millions but a lot to be sure 😅 apologies if that was hyperbole i just didn’t detect
Yeah I guess they never heard of the Donald Weltner caving tragedy for example.
“No other person in modern history has gotten stuck in a cave.”
Floyd Collins: am I a joke to you?
We mentioned Floyd Collins but not by name. We said one other caver. In any case that's the most similar death to how Jon Jones died. But it wasn't death by constriction it was death by entrapment. What Jon Jones got himself into was pretty unique.
Floyd got stuck in mammoth cave by his foot becoming trapped, not his arm. That basic information is available in every article I've read so the fact that he got that wrong makes me wonder what other info he got wrong. Telling people this is a completely safe thing to do on a platform that is mainly watched by children is just plain ignorant and dangerous. I'm a lil shocked that he has the nerve to say only 2 people have died in modern time cave exploring, that's a hairy fucking lie lol
@@2ndTooth He said that only two people have died in modern caving from getting stuck, not in general
@@rachelroberts1880 any kids watching this arent gonna notice the difference with the way he worded it. He's too careless when describing caving. He's treating it like it's a walk in the park which could give alot of young people false courage. It's nice seeing someone trying to promote caving in a positive manner and all but he might wanna consider being a lil more cautious with what he says pertaining to cave safety. Caves are dangerous for anyone
Two boy scouts I think got stuck in 2006 in Nutty Putty, that is why it closed for several years. They needed to be rescued.
I feel bad for john jones getting stuck in a cave like that and his body is still in that cave right now my heart breaks just thinking how hard his last moments were
I bet it was unbelievably horrifying. From some experience getting jammed in tight passages it is really scary. You just have a very very small world in those passages.
@@CalvinHikes yup and i think i have fear of tight spaces now just the thought of it
I know and he said his name how many times, geeze leave it be, bless him and his family and friends...🍃🕊🍃
Cant imagine without feeling panicked… terrible way to go. Im sure he regretted every decision that led him there. I wonder if his whole family that were down there with him weren’t positive of which canal was which… or was it just him? Youd think they would have buddied up better or made sure to only stay in familiar areas. I just cant imagine pushing myself head first into a tiny canal that is getting smaller and smaller and getting steeper. I also think you would notice that the particular canal was less traveled… you can usually tell when an area has traffic through it
Plus he had a kid and a baby on the way!
I'm really sorry he died such a horrible way 😰
I hope he rests in heaven peacefully
I could personally never do something like this so thanks for providing this content! I also really respect how you can share your passion with your nephew while also taking it very seriously and educating him as well as having him think through tough situations before offering help to become more experienced (referring to other vids). Very responsible
Thanks. The entire family caves, but usually just Jacob and Caveman in the super tight ones. It’s a very enjoyable sport. Caveman’s dad.
No problem going in mapped caves with guide with decent tunnels, in fact I’ve done it several times....but I’m not squeezing through anything.
the moment you must crawl thats a nope for me
Any passage less than about 3 feet around makes it a NOPE!
@@hanindhira I did a caving trip in middle school. Thinking back to that now gives me MAJOR anxiety
Although John Jones‘ death is a very sad tragedy it’s important to speak about the different mistakes he made. Thank you for that. Sometimes it’s a kind of taboo to mention the mistakes of a poor victim, but nobody can learn from that then. You both did a really great job.
Whatever else we may have failed at I really appreciate that I guess it's a compliment. It shouldn't be taboo to talk about victims mistakes. People have long been obsessed with the nutty putty story and they deserve to know that wow its tragic it is also extremely unlikely to happen to them.
Everybody gangsta until you’re underground and feel a little shake
Great advice and clear-up! I appreciate these facts.
Every accident starts with someone thinking they're doing the correct thing, when in reality they're doing the wrong thing.
Good call. It certainly rarely yields good results.
I think the main way to combat this is a serious dose of humility. Confidence is fine, but over confidence can get you hurt in a hurry for sure.
@@CalvinHikes I have a question that you might have already answered, however I will ask. Did you explore nutty putty before it was closed off? Was just curious if you were ever there. Thanks.
Also known as Confirmation Bias.
You don't know how right you are
No. You're wrong. Sounds smart to Muricans, I guess
To be fair, the passage he went down should've been blocked off when the cave was reopened in the first place, especially since it was unexplored specifically *because* it was too small for anyone to get through. John mistook it for another passage that he knew was accessible but was also small, so he didn't know it wasn't meant to be that narrow until he could no longer move. I think the whole thing should've been blocked off so no one would accidentally mistake it for the birth canal like he had.
You are correct. Any passage that leads against gravity into an unavigable pit is absolutely unsafe.
@@CalvinHikes The passage that John went through eventually went with gravity, it was an L shaped crevasse and a teenager was stuck there like John eventually was. However that kid was stuck with gravity.
Exactly what I have been thinking
You can't put a fence around the ocean because people drown.
@@countinmecrow2252Wildly terrible example. The ocean and a cave with two similar passages are completely different concepts. There absolutely should’ve been a sign or something.
I cant describe how my anxiety went up while watching this kid crawling in this cave
Perfect. ; )
After watching all cave videos this one was so informative.
You guys are fantastic
Thank you!
This video did help me feel more reassured about caving. I still feel, however, that Nutty Putty Cave was seriously mislabeled as a cave for beginners and should have been for more advanced cavers with experience in narrow spaces. The area that John Jones got stuck in was also previously involved with a 16 year old who got stuck there after thinking it was the Birth Canal passage like John did but was able to be rescued due to being smaller and lighter than John. After that incident, I feel that area should have been blocked off somehow so that no one else would have gotten stuck there after mistaking it for the Birth Canal.
The problem with the nutty putty cave was that it did have some dangerous areeas, but was 100% public. In the era of social media, people tend to push boundaries... taking pictures and video of themselves doing dangerous things. This is a recipe for disaster.
Caves can be done safely, but if they are public and people can just have a free-for-all, eventually, someone was going to get hurt.
@@CalvinHikes I completely agree. People need to be more socially conscious of what they post and the potential dangers of someone less experienced than them attempting the same thing but with tragic consequences. It's why I appreciate videos like yours so much as they educate people and teach them how to do the activity safely, rather than showing off. With regards to Nutty Putty, perhaps if its more dangerous areas had been closed off to the public and there had been a system of experienced guides in place, then John would not have gotten stuck.
Even if it was labeled as a cave for experienced cavers he probably would've still gone. He apparently considered himself advanced.
Jones is not the only person to get stuck in a cave, the nutty puddy caves were closed before Jones died because many people had gotten stuck there and I'm sure it's happened in many other caves as well. Jones was unique in that he was so badly stuck that the rescuers weren't able to get him out, Al though it has taken rescuers 5+ hours to get other people out of similar situations.
But they got out! John Jones is still there. Hes stuck.
@@CalvinHikes Donald Weltner got stuck and died in Crooked Swamp Cave New Jersey 1982 very much same way as John Jones did. So thats two...
@Exo Spellbreak Exactly , it just takes 1 wrong turn or trying to fit through a hole that's a tight squeeze. i've seen videos where if a caver was by himself he would pretty much be screwed, but because his friends are with him they could pull him out legs first .
@@PeninsulaPaintings the difference it was that he was without light his only source of light: a lamp had broken so he had to go from his own senses, pushing a loose rock and releasing a lot of gravel over him, dropping the sharp shapped rock into his ankle making him unable to move
@@CalvinHikes you should pay for rescuers after they take you out. Noone or govern should pay for your bs nerdy hobbies
I'm not even scared about getting stuck. It's the thought of being underground, with not enough room to stretch and no easy way out that gives me a panic attack. I had many nightmares that involved a similar scenario and it's probably the reason why it's one of my worst fear.
But to each their own, I admire your bravery!
Sometimes thinking about not having Room to move is worse than actually being there. Even know some of these passages are small comet the ability to lay out fully is not too badd. It's when you get cramped in a little ball that's frustrating. Or when you have to back out of a space feet first. We have some terrible terrible videos coming.
That’s scary but getting stuck is worse lol
I feel more trapped watching a video of the squeezes than I do actually squeezing through them. It's all perception. Do you often get stuck getting out of a car?
@@QurikOfficial like I said, i'm not terrified of getting stuck, it's not having a quick exit. I can open the car door and get out in seconds, while underground you have to crawl and walk (usually) for a long time in order to get out.
@@kat4923 it's only as far and long as you go in. Go in and out of same passages multiple times until your get comfortable being in it. That's what I did to help me get over being in narrow passages. I thought even if I get stuck I'm so close to the entrance rescue can easily get to me.
I love how so many people on this website that have never been inside a cave ever think they know more than you from watching a 15 minute video about a guy taking no safety precautions and dying doing it.
Yeah that's about how most people live their whole lives though. Including me. In a kind of willful ignorance.
We aren't necessarily trying to educate from this video. We just thought it would be a fun rebuttle to all the fake horror videos about the situation.
And no one believes as anyways!
Well those guys absolutely know more about cave and how to survive on it. But us common folks have a common sense to not goes in that dangerous place in the first place. No hard feelings about the hobbies tho its cool if you love it.
@@CalvinHikes what about those videos are fake exactly
Watching this video is hard for me😵
...those cheap remarks You made do not change a thing. Rocks still falls down, earth still orbits the sun and it is still just as terrible and insane to go into those traps, no matter how much snarkiness You could spew.
Those 'people' You are dismissing are perfectly right about it.
I feel that if You 'persuade' someone to do terrible act like that and things won't go smoothly - You should be locked up for a long time.
bruh how can this kid talk about someone dying doing the same thing he’s doing 😭😭 i could never
Well because he's not doing the same thing ☺️
As the video said, the only reasons you could never do it is because of your irrational fear, not backed up by logic, really. Still, i respect claustrophobic people and i understand fear is fear however I'd still encourage people to go caving in a more open cave, or just a normal one without tight passages because no matter how much you people deny it there is something beautiful about it lol
Stop saying bruh u annoying brag
@@dankovac1609 😂
@@daytona2924 nawwh, just stop listening
Kids a little badass, good presenter too.
I'm more scared of all my lights dying and being lost forever.
I feel like John Jones is the most generic name ever
Because they’re two first names; and you hear them a lot because superhero’s commonly have names like this.
Davey Jones has a better ring.
David johne
Yes he's the UFC former light-heavyweight champion...
John Johnny Jones
You know I can't imagine all the people that died in caves simply because it never gets reported or found which would explain why one would think it's only John jones...
If that were the case then that would certainly explain it.
Ok, where the diamonds at
Fr
Close to lava
They are formed by heat and pressure. Look where it it hot.
The only way doing this makes any sense!
Dig straight down
I’m not claustrophobic, but even I get a bit uneasy when I see this stuff.
Yes
I'm slightly claustrophobic and I'm in love with caving.
What is it like?
@@theyounghistorian5791 It's hard too put the call of the abyss into words.
Physically its a grueling test of mental and physical endurance delving deeper into the void through every means you can get your hands on.
Rock climbing up a wedge before, repelling 300ft chasem, and squeezing through a tiny hole at the bottom. Using rope too cross chasms, swimming through submerged areas, sleeping 100's of feet underground anything too push the cave just a little bit farther.
You load up in a complete set of heavily bundled warm fuzzy clothes, and cover it with a waterproof wading bib, waterproof shirt, boots and gloves. load yourself up with the 100's of feet of rope youll need, and say a prayer before dropping into the darkness below.
It's hard too truely capture the magic of this experience, the addictive nature of pushing out limits, and exploring places no human has ever been. A place no human should be.
I think this video is the closest thing ive seen too capturing the magic of the experience, I highly suggest you watch it.
th-cam.com/video/7MOKTU9tCbw/w-d-xo.html
Ok
“It’s actually one of the safest places to be when there is an earthquake” Me: *breaks a gravel block above my head* I’m not getting out of here
Hearing that Jon Jones story filled me with so much fear of caves. It's gotta be the worst way to go. Trapped with no way out and all you can do is wait for the end
Dude if that happened to me I’d be begging them to shove me full of Herion so I can go out in peace
Lolest
Not to mention being UPSIDE DOWN for the entire ordeal. I guess that REALLY fucks with the body; towards the end they couldn't even merely poke his foot without him screaming in pain.
I explore caves only in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon lol.
Loool
Lmao😂
Amen
Same but in minecraft
@Corey ikr xD
How did caves get mapped without someone thinking if I carry on I might get stuck, some of the crazy gaps you go through must have been an unknown or would there be a point a experienced caver would go back
Most experienced cavers know how to navigate a cave without a map. A good labyrinth cave will confuse most people but... Someone who is experienced with caves will have no problem in most cases.
I'm not great at it yet but I have friends who can create mental maps in their heads. they literally can memorize a cave while inside it. They can go outside and sit down with a pen and paper and draw the entire cave.
It seems that they only go in to the point where they know they can still go backwards to get out.
The assumption seems to be that it's a one-way kind of thing, but that doesn't seem to be the case (unless one has fucked up).
My dad's cousin is a spelunker. Once, he got stuck in a crevice he was exploring for over 6 hours before he was able to free himself. He's still alive today and still does caving, but it was definitely a frightening experience.
Yeah that's a long time to get wedged in! It does seem to be easier in vertical passages where gravity does the assist of pulling you into the crevice.
Glad he got out that's a cool story but probably very scary
I disagree with the getting lost thing though.
If you’re in a cave where you’re lowering yourself deeper and deeper with ropes and get in pretty deep and your flashlight dies and you have zero source of light….you are quite literally screwed! I went into a pretty massive cave here in South Africa, we lowered ourselves down with ropes via a tiny hole quite deep into the entrance of the cave where suddenly there is a tiny hole in the ground that has a solid drop of at least 10 meters onto a rock with a much larger drop on either side of it, I mean easily over 20m down the side to the bottom. Once down there we traveled for quite some time and did one standing squeeze through a wall and ended up in a pretty massive cavern with multiple tunnels leading all over. We all switched our torches off and it was a devastating darkness that you cannot even imagine. Trying to navigate your way back like that would simply be impossible, not to mention trying to find that hole in the ceiling with a rope hanging out to try get back up. Yea I would say that’s a very real danger.
Sounds like you had fun and had no problems. Actually it sounds like a cool cave but everything we said in the video is still true. We don't mean that they aren't a danger at all we just mean that they aren't primary dangers. People spend a lot of time being worried about getting lost and they end up freezing to death. In the caves around here, it's very cold and wet.
2:40 in the 1950s it happened to Neil Moss in Derbyshire (in the UK). Similar scenario, it was a vertical shaft and a dodgy shape.
John wasn't entirely alone. He had his brother and at least a few others with him. Though, he was the first to enter the passage, and likely because he relied on memory, he ended up in an unchartered section of caves which was much further away from where he thought he was. Also, the rescue crew got him a fair way out, but the soft rock and increasing weight as he was lifted up caused a bolt to snap down, dropping him back in.
Edit: I do appreciate the information you give in this video. Many people trapped in caves do manage to get out and they almost always provide help to 'beginner' cavers, such as maps or guides as you said.
Thanks. Our info wasn't all spot on. But our point was: You're unlikely to die the way John Jones did... as there are bigger threats like falling or freezing.
We think we found a worse way to die than Jones. We're putting that vid together now.
“It’s safer in a cave during an earthquake than it is on the surface”..
Are you kidding me?
It only takes one rock to block your only passage out, and you’re trapped.
It only takes a power line or building to fall on you and you're trapped. There's no good place in an earthquake. Maybe a helicopter. Or if you can find an open field.
Caves in general do not collapse very easily. Or ever.
@@CalvinHikes "Ever"..? Loooool k
@@CalvinHikes in land we freely get into open space or ground fastly but in cave we not so fast while earthquake so cave is also dangerous beacuse its blocks the way you to get out so there is nothing in the cave only rock what are you doing this and what for it no use at all
@@CalvinHikes in that case happy just im telling that take care bro because we are enjoying watching your videos
@Dicky Tricky Have you ever been caving?
Love ya videos guys keep up the good work I just about join the MSS my local club can't wait to get caving myself!
This kid is brave. Going into cave being a kid with a lot of his life still ahead of him, but he seems smart and prepared to do this
8:26 Yay! watcing from Europe. Love your vids!
Lol, yep. Degrees in C, distance in meters!
@@CalvinHikes yeah! Like all the normal world lol
I'll still suffer from claustrophobia since I got stuck in a cave passage for a couple of minutes, it sucked because I was thirsty and I wanted to drink
You guys are awesome!. I love watching your adventures . I can feel my claustrophobia kick in watching you squeeze and crawl through. However the more I've watched its actually begun to make me feel less claustrophobia in all situations . So Thank you for sharing these videos ! Jacob is my hero ! 💪🫣🫡
1:34 "takes a very specific and special set of circumstances in order to get stuck in a cave"
Narrator pretty much called him a dumb ass in a polite way lol.
Well, some of the circumstances were uncontrollable by John. Like the configuration of that cave. Having many similar, tight, vertical passages. It was a public cave. These are also things which contribute to the possibility of trouble. So even if it's all on John, we're not poking fun at what happened. It sucked for him, it's just not likely to happen to anyone else.
The body is still in that hole. He died in 2009 so his bodyw as there for 11 years.
Damnnn
I’m pretty sure they sealed off the tunnel with concrete.
@@Aron-ru5zk I thought they shut down and closed off the whole cave but I could be wrong
I dont get why they didn't bother to at least get his corpse out. So his family could have a proper funeral and not knowing his dead body is still in there...
Honestly that's really bullshit. The area he got stuck in wasn't too hard to reach. A whole search team got there. His corpse has to of shrank a little making it easier to pull out. Even if it does still break his legs, it's a corpse. Like bodies in way more dangerous situations have been recovered so the fact that they gave up on that is bullshit to me.
What you guys didn't mention is that his family was already outside the cave waiting for him after he led them on a little excursions in the open parts of the cave. His pregnant wife was waiting outthere and there was a rescue team who tried to get him, but he died of blood rush to the head after a full day upside down
The kid's intro explanation at the start was perfect
Thank you! This was all Jacob's idea!