Fun fact about the scene where the trainee takes his helmet off and the girl falls and blasts his brains out. Those 2 actors ended up dating and eventually getting married after meeting on set 😊
This movie was directed by Paul Verhoeven. Two other great movies directed by Paul Verhoeven with that same type of humor. Total Recall from 1990. Starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. & Robocop from 1987. Starring Peter Weller.
@@charleslatora5750 Yeah, the director did not read (or understand) the source material and turned human society in the movie into a fascistic joke. The book had a very Libertarian in flavor totally missing from the movie. Oh, and the lack of power armor is just sad.
I honestly im my entire life didnt add that together. P and pee. Now it's very funny but when I was a kid I found the whole movie very serious (being 10 with a cool dad) so I never thought of that joke lol
There are a few reasons why adult actors and actresses are generally used in high school settings 1. Between casting and filming the movie -- not counting post-production activity, it takes about a year. Puberty is magic. But it also means that over that year of filming, a teenager is going to age in a more significantly obvious way than an adult in their 20s. 2. Labor laws. It's illegal to require child and teenage actors from working the same hours as their adult counterparts. So, it's just easier to get a bunch of adults to play younger people.
Not only do teens look less serious in war movies (although in reality soldiers really are that young) I think they obviously wanted to do some nude scenes so.. adults it was. Plus the movie clearly wanted to show them rising through the ranks over time. so that by the end they're the adult with new recruits (who are casted unusually young for contrast)
One of the scouts for this movie came to my high school back when it was being planned and they made a point to visit the senior classes and get photos of a good selection of students who were 18 or older to use as reference material. Rspecially any who were going into the military or were in sports. So they did try to get them as close to looking like teenagers as possible.
Actually the second point is not valid. You can watch the podcast of Alyson Stoner about the child actors life in Hollywood. They easily avoid labor law. Starting with filming in given states or counties even where it’s not effective. And we can go on what she mentioned in that podcast how they treated children.
Your copyright disclaimer screen at the beginning says "this video is not a substitute for watching THE TERMINATOR." Which I have to entirely agree with.
Those are so stupid to have, I think most viewers have seen the movie being reacted to and just want to experience the first time again. It's like some studios claim trailer reactions, isn't adverticing the point of trailers?!
I think after being overexposed to nudity there is some kind of comfort zone. Is like watching "happy tree friends" first time is shocking but after some episodes it is fine.
Happy tree friends, dave chappelle and scared the unholy trinity of mtv. Good old times. 😂 watched happy tree friends with my 10 year old nephew a dew days ago. Still a banger even for the kids. 😂😂😂😂
Always makes me chuckle how excited Lucy gets at a film being gory but as a big horror fan myself I understand her excitement, so in that case she would definitely enjoy The Thing hoping it wins or gets picked at some point, Clancy Brown the actor who played sergeant Zim in this film he also played the Kurgan in the 1986 film Highlander, Also I think Lucy would enjoy the film Hellraiser it is after all a supernatural horror, anyway really glad she enjoyed the film it is one of my favourite Sci-Fi action films along with a few others, not sure if you will ever add Arachnophobia to the list but it certainly would make for a fun and interesting viewing.
spiders are so cool, it kinda pisses me off so many people are actually terrified of them. sure, if they were the size of dogs, we'd have much to fear from them; but they really are more afraid of us, than we are of them
It’s quite funny, that in the book, the big reveal at the end is that “all-american” Johnny is actually Juan, and they proceed to cast the whitest person they can find for the part!
What I discovered in the comments is that he was actually originally from the Philippines I think 🤔 but yeah, it seems they movie was REALLY not accurate in relation to the book.
On a more serios note, Red Dawn (1984) is often overlooked gem. At first, it seems a little over the top. However, it perfectly captured our fears of WWIII, in the 80s. Emotionally, it feels very real. (Watch it with the subtitles on. A lot of the enemy exposition is in Russian.)
"We have no information how this war started." We do. It was explained in the propaganda reels. 1. Mormon colonists went to an empty planet in the exclusion zone, against the warnings of the federation. 2. The bugs sent to that planet and slaughtered all of the unarmed colonists without warning or mercy. 3. Rico joins the military. 4. The bugs sent the meteor that wiped out Buenes Aires killing 8 million people. 5. The federation declares war. 6. Rico goes to klendathu and is almost killed.
Exactly, thank you. Too many people watching this forget that the bugs attacked first, twice. The Federation even gave them a pass for the independent Mormon kills, because they weren't sure if the Mormons provoked them somehow first.
And someday someone might make an actual adaptation of the Robert Heinlein novel, which this is very much not, despite using much of the content of the novel but sort of backwards. (Heinlein's novel is not, despite what Verhoeven's assistant thought, and what many people think, pro-fascist in any way. It *is* pro-military, but that's hardly the same thing. But I digress.) But this movie is a fun satire so long as one doesn't think of the Heinlein novel it's allegedly adapted from.
Also, "The Roughneck Chronicles" an animated TV series is closer to the Novel (available on DVD). I love the book and I actually still have the "Starship Troopers" strategy board game released by Avalon Hill back in the day...
@@ptthatswhatshesaid definetely read the book, but be warned - it's not an action book - Heinlein devotes roughly half of it to explaining the philosophy of the Federation. For all intents, and purposes, ST is a book about gatekeeping the franchise (literally) - the core idea is that authority, and responsibility must be equal, and that the cost to acquire something is part of its value - that's why the right to vote is restricted to those who understand its value, and accept the responsibility - because allowing people who believe they can get something for free just by voting for it to vote irresponsibly leads to disaster. Incidentally - including elements from the book in the movie is what completely undermined Verhoven's attempt at making a satire of fascism - because the UCF in the film isn't the least bit fascist - they just restrict the right to vote, but it's still a democracy, where constitutional liberties are sacrosanct.
@@ptthatswhatshesaid: it uses events and characters from the novel, but the novel is all about a political thought experiment and Heinlein's views on patriotism. One doesn't have to agree with him to note that this movie pretty much reverses RAH's views as expressed in that novel.
When he invented it Mussolini defined fascism as a union of the private and public sector. The book describes just that, so even though militarism has nothing to do with fascism the book is still pretty fascist.
There is an interesting story about how this film was made. According to interviews he did, Paul Verhoeven only read a few pages of the original book, believed it was very fascist and then tried to make this an anti-fascist film. The curious thing is, there is arguably no fascism depicted here. Instead the film depicts heroic characters in an existential fight to save humanity and we have no trouble rooting for them all the way. Clearly, there is plenty of superficial indicators of fascism; the militarism, the ridiculously attractive characters, the two-tier society, the actual nazi uniforms(!) and so on. However, this society is also extremely racially diverse with complete equality between women and men, freedom to choose your education and profession, liberal dating standards, etc. The status of Citizen is earned through meritocratic means, not through racial or class differences. So, given that Verhoeven evidently had no real clue about fascism, the fact that this movie turned out as good as it did is a miracle. But it is certainly his brand of good action with dark humor and in my opinion it's a modern classic.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when somebody says that starship troopers is a commentary on fascism. Whenever i ask them for even a single example of fascism in the movie, they always say "well that one guy was dressed like a nazi!" Nevermind the fact that nazis weren't fascist, the fact that a guy is wearing a hugo boss trench coat doesn't mean the entire government is fascist.
@@KurNorock Yes, it's just so uncanny that Verhoeven's version of fascism is better described as liberal, egalitarian and meritocratic. And it's still such a good movie. Remarkable.
I suppose he might not have a deep knowledge about it and went on a more superficial look of fascism xD its true that its incredible how the movie works xD to everyone really, its a fun war movie or anti-war, wathever you choose. everyone enjoys it 😂 I really need to check the book out now
@@ptthatswhatshesaid Yes, do it! It has been recommended to me many times but my own reading is slow and my list of books-to-read grows longer by the day. It's by _Robert A. Heinlein_ from 1959 and one of the more interesting/controversial aspects of it is Heinlein's own philosophy toward war and politics. Here is a video I think was very informative, comparing the book with the movie. Watch at your own leisure: th-cam.com/video/kVpYvV0O7uI/w-d-xo.html
@@ptthatswhatshesaid Michael Ironside has been in approximately ten thousand movies and television shows as a character actor. More bad guy than not, but not always. This is his second film (at least) with Paul Verhoeven (originally a Dutch director), having previously worked with him on TOTAL RECALL (starring Arnold).
LOL! It's a hoot, isn't it? And yes, with that underlying satirical line that can make you think if you take a moment. It was a lot of fun rewatching this one with the two of you! Thanks for sharing this one. 🙂 Now we'll see how long it takes your patrons to push for the movie Arachnophobia.....Poor Lucy, LOL! 🤣
This is a fun book adaptation and great reflection on society too on many aspects as the book was too. It’s very far from being a simple action movie and the novel is a literal classic scifi.
Its a real multilayer movie. There is the fun part for teenagers. Then there is a political satirical layer even many adults did not get. And then there is one nore layer you guys got right. Some of the things shown as satire actually make sense - citizenship for example. That last layer comes from the book, where the author was really serious about it. Great movie! I would say - timeless.
The co-ed showers work out because like she stated, it takes the titillation out of nudity. Prudishness is what makes nudity seem sexual because most people of the opposite sex only see each other naked in sexual situations or relationships. Shower around each other because it's a normal thing and nudity isn't only equated to sex.
16:24 In combat probably you will have to poop in front of everyone, so better get used to see others naked. But the important thing is that the director always distract audience while they are talking about important thing for that world undestanding like the privileges of being a citizen for studies or maternity but people focus in nudity. It's like the classroom scene while they were distracted with the chewing gum videos the professor was implaining important things about that society.
If you like Clancy Brown you should watch Highlander (1986) Action Adventure Fantasy. Every one of those guys should have been saluting in the shower. Remember if you salute for 4+ hours see a doctor. Entrance (coming), Exit (going), Egress (emergency path to the outside) Warning! Stay away from Australia as they have some very large spiders. My first introduction to Starship Troopers was the board game in the late 1970s. I then read Starship Troopers 1959 military science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein. The board game was my gateway drug to Dungeons and Dragons. Elephants fear mice crawling into their trunk.
Highlander would be a very good choice for a next fantasy movie indeed 👌 Australia is just scary! I didn't knew it was also a board game! But I do want to read the book, that's for sure.
I think they cast older actors because the story spans a few years and most of it is set in the military, so the high school age is a minor part of the story.
"Oh my God that kid is playing with guns!" Yeah? With clear adult supervision. I grew up with guns from 5 years old and so did everybody i know. None of us have shot ourselves or anybody else.
"Starship Troopers is an American military science fiction media franchise based on the 1959 novel of the same name by Robert A. Heinlein and the satirical 1997 film adaptation by screenwriter Edward Neumeier and director Paul Verhoeven." Quote straight out of Wikipedia. The movie bears almost no relationship at all to the book except for the names of some characters and the title. There are no women troopers and the few women in the naval ratings are rarely seen. The military actually behaves like a military organization and not a dumb horde. There is no love story. The humans have other alien partners and allies against the "bugs" and other combatant races. Ricos father isn't killed but rather shows up later as another enlistee. That and so many other differences make one of the best arguments for reading the book I can think of. Once you understand what Robert Heinlein was actually writing about You will also understand why this is such a satire.
@@KurNorockthe closest thing in the movie to fascism I can think of is the part about needing government approval to procreate. Otherwise there is only imagery.
@kwangsoo515 Yeah, that's about it. But even that isn't fascism. A truly fascist state would have no limits on procreation because it just wants more people for the state to put to use. If a fascist state were to impose limits on who can or can not procreate, it would not be based on who decides to get a license or not. It would be a hard rule where some people get to and others do not, and there is nothing anybody can do to change their lot.
I like the theory that the meteor was not sent by the bugs at all, but it did serve as a pretext for war. A meteor traveling from Klendathu without the aid of special technology would take thousands of years to reach Earth. However, everyone accepts the claim that it was part of an attack by the bugs that requires an immediate response. I don't know if that was what was intended by either Heinlein or Verhoeven, but it's interesting to think about.
That's not a theory. It's just garbage made up by people who are desperate to make humanity out to be the bad guys. The meteor was sent by the bugs. There is literally zero evidence to say otherwise.
@@ptthatswhatshesaid the bugs have gigantic brains as their leadership. Who even knows how intelligent they might be? Why assume that they would be incapable of targeting earth with an asteroid when literally all of the evidence points towards it being true?
He was not a pussy for hiding in that cabinet ...if they got his brains they would've got his knowledge too ... When you see the force that comes after ...you will understand how him saving himself(a soldier that probs is worth a few hundred thousand in training) was a smart move
Rico lives in Buenos Aires because in their time, the Northern Hemisphere is all but destroyed possibly due to Global Warming, Nuclear Warfare, could be anything. What I love about this movie is the ambiguity of the plot, we don't even know why there is a conflict between Humans and Bugs.
We only know or see what the characters know, which in that world would not be much since the government controls the truth 🤷🏻♂️ who knows if the bugs actually sent that rock that wiped out Buenos Aires
@@ptthatswhatshesaid the government does not control the truth. Quite the opposite - we see the news being very transparent about what's happening (a totalitarian government that is hell-bent on controlling the narrative would never permit news of a disaster like Klendathu to reach the public. Hell - the Romans would literally "erase" all mention of legions that fucked up too bad. The rock hitting BA is a plot hole. The bugs attack BA, because they do it in the book, but in the book, they have actual spaceships, and FTL technology. The movie makes them dumb animals, which leads to the improbable asteroid.
Not a fan of spiders? Ah, so I take it william shatners kingdom of the spiders isn't an option then, or arachnophobia. Though speaking of movies with jeff daniels in them that involve the army i'd recommend gettysburg from 1993 and its prequel gods and generals. Very long movies at 3 - 4 hours each but worth watching at least once at some point
John Goodman has a small fun part as an exterminator in Arachnophobia. He's in the movie for only a few minutes, but totally steals the show. More like just a cameo, but so funny.
But the movie isn't really about fighting the bugs, is it? That's just a catalyst for the real message... And all the famous Verhoeven films carry a similar message
@@ptthatswhatshesaid It's a bit worse than just superficial. The book is the authors depiction of his idea of the perfect libertarian world. Limiting the right to vote and holding public office only to those who willingly served the federation is meant to be a filter to get rid of self-serving people in politics by simply not being worth the trouble when you have every other right without having to serve anyone. Verhoeven is a socialist and is very much fundamentally opposed to libertarianism so he chose to depict the federation as fascistic, that's why he added having children as something you had to serve to earn, sprinkled in the parody propaganda clips and gave Carl the snazzy SS looking uniform. But as a socialist, his ability to depict actual fascism is limited by the fact that fascism is just Socialism with some minor tweaks to make it work a bit more effectively, so he wasn't all that successful at making the federation fascist rather than simply militaristic. Under fascism the Klendathu fiasco would never have resulted in the Sky Marshall admitting fault, taking responsibility and stepping down while broadcasting it on their own propaganda network, because the state is infallible and all powerful. The fiasco would have been blamed on some random fall guy. In the book, military service is not the only way to serve the federation, because everyone must be allowed to earn their franchise if they want to, no matter their physical ability/disability. If you ask to serve, they WILL find something you can do. There's a lot of other minor differences too, like Dizzy being a guy, Ace Levy being two people, Ricos dad surviving by not being there when the meteor strikes and ending up serving under his son in the Roughnecks to avenge his wife and rediscover his masculinity. All in all the movie is an attempted smear-piece against the author of the book, but it wasn't done very well, so it ended up coming across as just a really cool sci-fi action film with some confused political points. The throwaway line in the beginning of the movie about the social sciences having brought ruin to society before the military veterans established the federation IS in the book and is fleshed out a lot more and actually feels very accurate to today's society.
@@CordovanSplotchVT Ok, veeeeery different from the book then 🤷♂ why would someone adapt something they have not even read?! Create your own story then! (and make it about an actual evil interstellar fascist empire - I'm sure it can be interesting)
10:28 that’s a good take the ages of the actors, notice how children are continuing to live at home later and later- maybe in the future people stay in high school until they’re 25. The movie never specifically says their ages (not sure if the book says the specific ages, I’m too lazy to read it)
34:02 Best line delivery in the whole movie. 🤣 Consider this: They showed off the orbital defense system early in the movie, easily shooting down a meteor. So you mean to tell me that bugs who are literally light-years away from earth can accurately propel a meteor across that vast distance, past orbital defenses specifically designed to stop this sort of thing, and then not only hit land (which only comprises 30% of the planet's surface), but hit a major city and destroy it? That's a level of belief only capable by a population who cannot question their government.
Or a plot hole created by necessity of following the book, in which the enemy has working FTL technology, but making the enemies essentially dumb animals, but you still need them to attack your planet, because they do it in the book.
Did you miss all the parts where people were questioning the government all the time without reprecussion? Rico's parents, the reporter pointing out how many people were against the war, the debate on the talk show about whether the bugs were intelligent or not... I know people like to think this movie is a commentary on fascism, but it isn't. Verhoeven forgot to put any actual fascism in the movie. Lastly, the narrator said "the bugs sent ANOTHER meteor our way". That means this was a meteor sent some time AFTER the one that hit Beunos Ares. Which means the planetary defense system was probably built AFTER the first meteor hit.
@@KurNorock Yeah Verhoen wanted to make a movie critical of Fascism hence the uniforms but then did not read the book or even learn what real fascism is. He was a child of 9 when the war ended hence his view of what a NAZI/Fascism is was twisted into anything or anyone who opposed leftism. When in fact Fascism and Nazism are both leftist political ideologies.
@@WithTwoFlakes Maybe. But do we know that the meteor isn't self-guided? The Bugs have colonized multiple worlds. They could only have done that it they either had exceptional targeting capability or can course correct on the fly. Stands to reason that the Bugs would have a flight crew on the asteroid guiding it to its target. Especially if the Bugs are analogous to ants in that some casts are incapable of reproduction. Which means that those non-reproductive castes are expendable.
Hello Guys!😊 I just found your channel. Your girlfriend is funny. She felt sorry for the brain bug. This film is actually part of an unofficial trilogy. Director Paul Verhoeven made three futuristic violent films. This is actually the third film, with the most CGI. The other two films are "Robocop" (1987) and "Total Recall" (1990). The director's style can clearly be seen in these well made films as well. Great reactions to your first Verhoeven film, Kids!!!!🎬👏👏👏👏
Dunno, seems to me that Breckenridge would be dead even with his helmet still on... :) Anyway, he and the chick who shot him are a married couple now :)
If they were talking while shooting a video for TH-cam I would understand! 😝 But its the future, you can say that everyone speaks english in that universe xD
As soon as you start saying someone has to earn the right to vote - whether through military service or anything else - you're setting up a society with self-perpetuating divisions, where groups will work to ensure that other groups don't or can't earn that right. It's a terrible idea no matter which way you cut it
Unusual nasty but great movie. lol 😆 (1997). . . Another movie that came out in 97’ y’all should check out is “Money Talks” and “The Fifth Element”. 👌🏿
I had never heard of Money Talks, but I see it is also with Chris Tucker. She would like it probably, she loves Rush Hour 😂😂 The 5th element I definitely need to show her!
Just so you know, the book this is based on is a genuinely pro facist book. And this is the society he’s championing. The film was meant to satirize the book. Although they knew most people wouldn’t know that. But that’s why we get the propaganda cuts that are prima facia ridiculous. Also, the Actors *Really* didn’t want to do the shower scene but he somehow persuaded them. There’s another film I can’t remember that’s well known where they wanted to do the same but time had moved on just a few years and the actors refused. It’s interesting that we consider total disregard of gender as futuristic in this context considering right wing attitudes atm! Btw, he might have been in the wire but my guess is you recognized him from The Walking Dead.
She has never seen The Walking Dead, and I have seen the first couple seasons and don't recall him being there. On the other hand The Wire is one of our favourite shows ever 😋
@@ptthatswhatshesaid ok. Thx. The walking dead was actually quite good until around 4 years ago. Just looked him up on IMDB - Khary Payton is not in the Wire. Best known for “General Hospital” & “The walking dead” apparently! Also: Payton has portrayed Cyborg in the Teen Titans animated series and Aqualad in Young Justice. In the cartoon series Justice League, Payton provided the voice of the villain Ten from the Royal Flush Gang. He also provided the voice of Drebin in the game Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Ripcord in G.I. Joe: Renegades, Blade in Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Grimlock in Transformers: Robots in Disguise and Killer Croc in Batman: Arkham Underworld and is voicing Wasabi on the Disney XD original series Big Hero 6 based on the Marvel Comics by Man of Action and the film of the same name.
I have always had mixed feelings about this movie. The effects, action, and cinematography are phenomenal. The swarming of the bugs is probably the most terrifying scene of any film I have ever watched. However, the film has a weirdly mixed tone, I think. My late father, who also liked it for the most part, attributed this to the recruiting-film framing device. Or it may in part be because it has certain soap-opera qualities in the treatment of the characters. The source material, Heinlein’s book of the same title, won a Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1959. I thought it was outstanding when I read it in the late ’60s, but when I reread it after “Ender’s Game” was published, I felt that it was a very uneven novel You might consider reacting to the “Ender’s Game” movie. The book’s author (Orson Scott Card) intended it in part as an homage to Heinlein’s “Starship Troopers,” but its take on the subject and thematic focus are quite different.
It's the soap opera tone of most of the plot and characters I think, at least it's what I have always felt personally xD I now love how exaggerated that part is, but yeah, can seem quite weird
They did tellus what started the war. A mining expidition that went to the bug planet without authorization. The bugs killed them protecting thier teritory and the humans retaliated.
It is implied, but the bigger picture is still not for us to know. But anyway, like Lucy says in the reaction, the conflict tarted and the bugs wiped out millions of humans, yeah its time for war! 😂😂 Even though I'm a bit suspicious of that rock hitting Buenos Aires... 🧐
to decide for ourselves - this is our only real freedom. damn true! ❤(and believe me, young lady, only when we reach 50 years old, we stop "raising the flag" at the sight of every beauty we meet!😊)why are battleships in orbit where they can be fired upon?? well, because they have to support the troops down on the planet! what is the use of a battleship that is far from the battlefield???
Ok, that is a possible explanation on the presence of the battleships having to be on a certain side, but they could definitely be more spread out!! Love Rasczak! My favourite character 😜
Don't listen to anybody trying to tell you this movie is a commentary on fascism and militarism. It isn't. Yes, that was Verhoeven's intention, but he forgot to put any actual fascism in the movie. Instead he portrayed the federation as a small government, meritocratic, libertarian utopia. There is no nepotism, no corruption, public officials (along with everybody else) are held accountable for their actions, and nobody is forced to do anything. Also, this is a movie about a war, so of course the movie focuses on the military. But that doesn't mean the entire society is militaristic. The fact that joining the military is 100% voluntary and people can quit at any time, is proof enough of that.
The director (and writer) just wasn't very knowledgeable on that subject I think. It is clearly meant as a satire like the news segments are directed, but if that was the case they should have changed a lot more things definitely!
@@ptthatswhatshesaid the news segments showed nothing but 100% factual information. We know they were true because we saw the things happen. Rico was there.
Yes, one pod each but I would really love to get a different better set up! 🫣 And yes, we talk a lot throughout the movie, but keep in mind we do watch it with portuguese subtitles so we might not miss anything
Carl made it look easy to kill the bug because the bug was in a cage and unable to move much or attack. Carl was in no danger and could remain calm. Out on the battlefield, the bugs are far more mobile and able to attack back. Stress is high and hitting a tiny nerve cluster on a very fast moving target is much easier said than done. Also, while it was a propaganda reel, literally all of the propaganda reels in the movie show 100% factual information.
The movie is fun, but please read both the book by Heinlein and a critical response, "The Forever War" by Haldeman. Something gory? Challenge accepted. I propose the 2008 French version of "Martyrs."
The reason hollywood films use older actors is because of filming restrictions for minors. They can only shoot a limited number of hours a day and it slows down filming costing more money and they cant do nude scenes. Also there isnt as many quality actors that are that young and lack experience.
You know what, I might just risk it and have her react to a certain movie with a lot of spiders indeed 😶 Of course I'm aware I will mysteriously die in my sleep that very night...
@@ptthatswhatshesaid People just assume those were live bullets. When I was a kid, I was really interested in the army and ended up writing them asking what it was like in real life. They sent me a letter back with some memorabilia. Pictures, some dog tags, and a rifle bullet. It was perfectly safe, it still had the bullet attached but it didn't have any primer or powder so it couldn't be fired. As far as 7-year-old me was concerned it was just about the coolest thing ever.
Normally I agree with the weirdness of believing that 30+ year olds are 18, but I think it kind of fits in this world. Consider that they have very advanced biotech (like the healing pods) and are super militaristic, I don't think it's unrealistic to think that people have been engineered to physically age more quickly. It would also likely result in more brain development prior to adulthood, allowing them to be indoctrinated more quickly while also having fully developed brains (normally happening in the mid 20s). I don't believe that was considered in any way for casting, but I think it justifies suspending disbelief for this one.
In the book very few people get citizenship through the military most of them get it for doing other dangerous or unpleasant volunteer work. Nobody is born with citizenship if you want it you have to earn it and they cannot turn you away even if you are disabled they have to find something for you to do as it is your right. Civilians have all rights except the ability to vote or hold office. Its a harsh meritocracy the basic idea is one must show they are willing to work for and sacrifice for society before they can have a say in how it is run or be a leader in it.
Well, not a terrible idea tbh Like you said, sounds like a harsh meritocracy, but at least it is one! which doesn't really align with the fascist satire they were going for xD Need to read the book
@@ptthatswhatshesaid The movie wasn't originally a Starship Troopers movie it was called something along the lines of "Bughunt at Outpost 9". Over half way through production someone noticed the similarities to the novel and then attached the IP. Director couldn't read more than a few pages because he found it "boring" and read a synopsis instead then decided that it sounds fascist and wrote it as such in a satirical way. In book they dropped from orbit in power armor miles separate from each other and used an excessive amount of nuclear weapons. The novel actually pioneered the concept of power armor as we now know it in the sci-fi genre.
"Spiders that weren't spiders"? They were called Arachnids. What do you think that means? How can you feel sorry for the Brain Bug that was sucking out brains to get intelligence and giving the orders for the other bugs to attack and kill humans? Didn't you get that the Brain Bug was in control of all the others?
The filmmaker wanted to portray the source material as being a fascist distopian future, but he accidentally made an ideal society where people who are invested in it get to make their views known, where today every moron gets a voice
Ahahah! Well, its clear he wanted to do a satire on fascism (and we do get some more superficial elements: love those propaganda news reel 😂), but then he should have put and actual full blown fascist society, without all the personal freedoms we see in the movie! Anyways, it is still a massively militaristic society. Very entertaining however you choose to look at it 😜
Fun fact about the scene where the trainee takes his helmet off and the girl falls and blasts his brains out. Those 2 actors ended up dating and eventually getting married after meeting on set 😊
That's sweet actually 😊
"Make it 20 minutes". EPIC AND LEGENDARY.
No conversation, direct and straight to the point!
This movie was directed by Paul Verhoeven.
Two other great movies directed by Paul Verhoeven with that same type of humor.
Total Recall from 1990. Starring Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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Robocop from 1987. Starring Peter Weller.
Yeah I need to show her Total Recall!
Robocop she has already reacted to for Patreon. I swear one of these days I will edit it for TH-cam! xD
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Right on. Love the channel.
Hello from SoCal.
Read the original book by Heinlein. Director changed a lot.
@@charleslatora5750 Yeah, the director did not read (or understand) the source material and turned human society in the movie into a fascistic joke. The book had a very Libertarian in flavor totally missing from the movie. Oh, and the lack of power armor is just sad.
I'm sorry but every time I hear Neil Patrick Harris say, "We're going back to P", it just makes me giggle. I guess part of my brain never matured. 😂
I honestly im my entire life didnt add that together. P and pee. Now it's very funny but when I was a kid I found the whole movie very serious (being 10 with a cool dad) so I never thought of that joke lol
There are a few reasons why adult actors and actresses are generally used in high school settings
1. Between casting and filming the movie -- not counting post-production activity, it takes about a year. Puberty is magic. But it also means that over that year of filming, a teenager is going to age in a more significantly obvious way than an adult in their 20s.
2. Labor laws. It's illegal to require child and teenage actors from working the same hours as their adult counterparts.
So, it's just easier to get a bunch of adults to play younger people.
Yeah, I get the logic behind it, still so jarring seeing like people on their 30s in highschool 😅
Not only do teens look less serious in war movies (although in reality soldiers really are that young) I think they obviously wanted to do some nude scenes so.. adults it was.
Plus the movie clearly wanted to show them rising through the ranks over time. so that by the end they're the adult with new recruits (who are casted unusually young for contrast)
One of the scouts for this movie came to my high school back when it was being planned and they made a point to visit the senior classes and get photos of a good selection of students who were 18 or older to use as reference material. Rspecially any who were going into the military or were in sports. So they did try to get them as close to looking like teenagers as possible.
The addition of the newer younger recruits later in the movie would have fallen flat if the main characters also looked like kids.
Actually the second point is not valid. You can watch the podcast of Alyson Stoner about the child actors life in Hollywood. They easily avoid labor law. Starting with filming in given states or counties even where it’s not effective. And we can go on what she mentioned in that podcast how they treated children.
Your copyright disclaimer screen at the beginning says "this video is not a substitute for watching THE TERMINATOR."
Which I have to entirely agree with.
Those are so stupid to have, I think most viewers have seen the movie being reacted to and just want to experience the first time again. It's like some studios claim trailer reactions, isn't adverticing the point of trailers?!
Well, I have to agree with you on that as well 😅😅😅
Every guy is that kind of guy. He's not wrong.
100%
I think after being overexposed to nudity there is some kind of comfort zone. Is like watching "happy tree friends" first time is shocking but after some episodes it is fine.
Happy tree friends, dave chappelle and scared the unholy trinity of mtv. Good old times. 😂 watched happy tree friends with my 10 year old nephew a dew days ago. Still a banger even for the kids. 😂😂😂😂
I think I never got used to watch Happy Tree Friends 😅😅 complete madness!
@@ptthatswhatshesaid madness starts with the dvd, nearly all 5 minutes comes the intro music on an hour dvd and we watched all 3 of em. 😁😂
Real life age of these “teenagers” at time of filming.
Rico - 28
Diz - 28
Carmen - 25
Zander - 28
Ace - 25
They were so young!
Yes, so, so young!
thank you for the info
One of my favorite movies as a kid and never did i think of Shazfuk, that was incredible : D
The chad bad guy turns out to jump into combat in an impossible situation and tries to save the girl, not what you'd expect
And he is real fun once we get to know more of him 😁
"every guy is that type of guy"
pretty much
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research has shown...
Lucy gets far too excited for the blood and guts 😂
Wouldn't put it better 😅 I need to start showing her some slashers
Lucy serve in the army? it's hard to imagine this fragile girl in the army =)
Always makes me chuckle how excited Lucy gets at a film being gory but as a big horror fan myself I understand her excitement, so in that case she would definitely enjoy The Thing hoping it wins or gets picked at some point, Clancy Brown the actor who played sergeant Zim in this film he also played the Kurgan in the 1986 film Highlander,
Also I think Lucy would enjoy the film Hellraiser it is after all a supernatural horror, anyway really glad she enjoyed the film it is one of my favourite Sci-Fi action films along with a few others, not sure if you will ever add Arachnophobia to the list but it certainly would make for a fun and interesting viewing.
The Thing and Hellraiser I think would be great yeah!
I don't think I would call her reaction to Arachnophobia a "viewing" 😂😂😂
spiders are so cool, it kinda pisses me off so many people are actually terrified of them. sure, if they were the size of dogs, we'd have much to fear from them; but they really are more afraid of us, than we are of them
Its a phobia, so most times it hás nothing to do with actual danger 😅 I suppose its because they looks so "alien" to humans 🤷🏻♂️
It’s quite funny, that in the book, the big reveal at the end is that “all-american” Johnny is actually Juan, and they proceed to cast the whitest person they can find for the part!
What I discovered in the comments is that he was actually originally from the Philippines I think 🤔 but yeah, it seems they movie was REALLY not accurate in relation to the book.
On a more serios note, Red Dawn (1984) is often overlooked gem. At first, it seems a little over the top. However, it perfectly captured our fears of WWIII, in the 80s. Emotionally, it feels very real. (Watch it with the subtitles on. A lot of the enemy exposition is in Russian.)
That one seems interesting 🤔
"We have no information how this war started."
We do. It was explained in the propaganda reels.
1. Mormon colonists went to an empty planet in the exclusion zone, against the warnings of the federation.
2. The bugs sent to that planet and slaughtered all of the unarmed colonists without warning or mercy.
3. Rico joins the military.
4. The bugs sent the meteor that wiped out Buenes Aires killing 8 million people.
5. The federation declares war.
6. Rico goes to klendathu and is almost killed.
Exactly, thank you. Too many people watching this forget that the bugs attacked first, twice. The Federation even gave them a pass for the independent Mormon kills, because they weren't sure if the Mormons provoked them somehow first.
And someday someone might make an actual adaptation of the Robert Heinlein novel, which this is very much not, despite using much of the content of the novel but sort of backwards. (Heinlein's novel is not, despite what Verhoeven's assistant thought, and what many people think, pro-fascist in any way. It *is* pro-military, but that's hardly the same thing. But I digress.)
But this movie is a fun satire so long as one doesn't think of the Heinlein novel it's allegedly adapted from.
Also, "The Roughneck Chronicles" an animated TV series is closer to the Novel (available on DVD). I love the book and I actually still have the "Starship Troopers" strategy board game released by Avalon Hill back in the day...
Yeah, apparently its just loosely baded in that world right? Still have to read the book
@@ptthatswhatshesaid definetely read the book, but be warned - it's not an action book - Heinlein devotes roughly half of it to explaining the philosophy of the Federation.
For all intents, and purposes, ST is a book about gatekeeping the franchise (literally) - the core idea is that authority, and responsibility must be equal, and that the cost to acquire something is part of its value - that's why the right to vote is restricted to those who understand its value, and accept the responsibility - because allowing people who believe they can get something for free just by voting for it to vote irresponsibly leads to disaster.
Incidentally - including elements from the book in the movie is what completely undermined Verhoven's attempt at making a satire of fascism - because the UCF in the film isn't the least bit fascist - they just restrict the right to vote, but it's still a democracy, where constitutional liberties are sacrosanct.
@@ptthatswhatshesaid: it uses events and characters from the novel, but the novel is all about a political thought experiment and Heinlein's views on patriotism. One doesn't have to agree with him to note that this movie pretty much reverses RAH's views as expressed in that novel.
When he invented it Mussolini defined fascism as a union of the private and public sector. The book describes just that, so even though militarism has nothing to do with fascism the book is still pretty fascist.
There is an interesting story about how this film was made. According to interviews he did, Paul Verhoeven only read a few pages of the original book, believed it was very fascist and then tried to make this an anti-fascist film. The curious thing is, there is arguably no fascism depicted here. Instead the film depicts heroic characters in an existential fight to save humanity and we have no trouble rooting for them all the way.
Clearly, there is plenty of superficial indicators of fascism; the militarism, the ridiculously attractive characters, the two-tier society, the actual nazi uniforms(!) and so on. However, this society is also extremely racially diverse with complete equality between women and men, freedom to choose your education and profession, liberal dating standards, etc. The status of Citizen is earned through meritocratic means, not through racial or class differences. So, given that Verhoeven evidently had no real clue about fascism, the fact that this movie turned out as good as it did is a miracle. But it is certainly his brand of good action with dark humor and in my opinion it's a modern classic.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when somebody says that starship troopers is a commentary on fascism.
Whenever i ask them for even a single example of fascism in the movie, they always say "well that one guy was dressed like a nazi!"
Nevermind the fact that nazis weren't fascist, the fact that a guy is wearing a hugo boss trench coat doesn't mean the entire government is fascist.
@@KurNorock Yes, it's just so uncanny that Verhoeven's version of fascism is better described as liberal, egalitarian and meritocratic. And it's still such a good movie. Remarkable.
I suppose he might not have a deep knowledge about it and went on a more superficial look of fascism xD its true that its incredible how the movie works xD to everyone really, its a fun war movie or anti-war, wathever you choose. everyone enjoys it 😂
I really need to check the book out now
@@ptthatswhatshesaid Yes, do it! It has been recommended to me many times but my own reading is slow and my list of books-to-read grows longer by the day. It's by _Robert A. Heinlein_ from 1959 and one of the more interesting/controversial aspects of it is Heinlein's own philosophy toward war and politics.
Here is a video I think was very informative, comparing the book with the movie. Watch at your own leisure:
th-cam.com/video/kVpYvV0O7uI/w-d-xo.html
@@Bonko78 thank you so much 🙏🏻
Watching Lucy playing Helldivers 2 would be so entertaining.
Her playing any game would be entertaining tbh but that is something that I still have not been able to convince her to do 😂😂😂
Fun fact . The actor who play Zim also played Mr. Krabs in Spongebob. He is an awesome voice actor.
Did not know he did voice acting roles 🤔 more used to see him in bad guy roles
@@ptthatswhatshesaid Michael Ironside has been in approximately ten thousand movies and television shows as a character actor. More bad guy than not, but not always.
This is his second film (at least) with Paul Verhoeven (originally a Dutch director), having previously worked with him on TOTAL RECALL (starring Arnold).
Lol, it took me a few moments that you weren't referring to Invader Sim. 😂
@@superme63 To be fair , Zim and the rest of the humans were the invaders in this movie 😁😁
... and Carmen became a Bond girl with Pierce Brosnan.
At that age ANYTHING can make a guy stand to attention. Communal showering could cause death from blood loss, as it rushes from one head to the other!
Yes, most of them are supposed to be straight outta highschool!!
So all the girls get to wash the boys? 😁
"Space: Above and Beyond" is a short TV series with a similar theme...
Should've been longer
Such a great show
Definitely NOT a replacement for watching "The Terminator".😂😂😂
Nope, not at all! 🤦🏻♂️
I like her energy
LOL! It's a hoot, isn't it? And yes, with that underlying satirical line that can make you think if you take a moment. It was a lot of fun rewatching this one with the two of you! Thanks for sharing this one. 🙂 Now we'll see how long it takes your patrons to push for the movie Arachnophobia.....Poor Lucy, LOL! 🤣
Ahahah thank you, we'll see about the Arachnophobia movie 😂
@@ptthatswhatshesaid If you haven't seen The Equalizer, you both might enjoy that one. Denzel Washington, actiony stuff, a cut above the usual fare.
@@ThistleAndSea we are both big fans of Denzel and we did love those movies :p
This is a fun book adaptation and great reflection on society too on many aspects as the book was too. It’s very far from being a simple action movie and the novel is a literal classic scifi.
Its a real multilayer movie. There is the fun part for teenagers. Then there is a political satirical layer even many adults did not get. And then there is one nore layer you guys got right. Some of the things shown as satire actually make sense - citizenship for example. That last layer comes from the book, where the author was really serious about it.
Great movie! I would say - timeless.
Yes, always great to revisit this movie!
Started reading the book a couple days ago
The co-ed showers work out because like she stated, it takes the titillation out of nudity. Prudishness is what makes nudity seem sexual because most people of the opposite sex only see each other naked in sexual situations or relationships. Shower around each other because it's a normal thing and nudity isn't only equated to sex.
16:24 In combat probably you will have to poop in front of everyone, so better get used to see others naked. But the important thing is that the director always distract audience while they are talking about important thing for that world undestanding like the privileges of being a citizen for studies or maternity but people focus in nudity. It's like the classroom scene while they were distracted with the chewing gum videos the professor was implaining important things about that society.
Yeeeess exactly! That is something that becomes pretty obvious once you rewatch the movie 😜
Pretty spot on with the guessing IMO. War against alien creatures.
She was close enough! At least with the information provided by the poster
So Arachnophobia (1990) is your next film reaction, right? 😄
She would kill me... 😅
@@ptthatswhatshesaid Make it a glorious demise, For the Fans!!
or Eight Legged Freaks
If you like Clancy Brown you should watch Highlander (1986) Action Adventure Fantasy.
Every one of those guys should have been saluting in the shower. Remember if you salute for 4+ hours see a doctor.
Entrance (coming), Exit (going), Egress (emergency path to the outside)
Warning! Stay away from Australia as they have some very large spiders.
My first introduction to Starship Troopers was the board game in the late 1970s. I then read Starship Troopers 1959 military science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein.
The board game was my gateway drug to Dungeons and Dragons.
Elephants fear mice crawling into their trunk.
Highlander would be a very good choice for a next fantasy movie indeed 👌
Australia is just scary!
I didn't knew it was also a board game! But I do want to read the book, that's for sure.
4:03 I'm really glad your reaction to "Starship Trooprs" isn't a replacement for watching "The Terminator".
Yes, just wanted to make that clear people: also watch The Terminator! xD It's a great movie
I think they cast older actors because the story spans a few years and most of it is set in the military, so the high school age is a minor part of the story.
Yeah , and of course its more practical xD or highschool ends much later in the future
"Oh my God that kid is playing with guns!"
Yeah? With clear adult supervision. I grew up with guns from 5 years old and so did everybody i know. None of us have shot ourselves or anybody else.
ahahah It's just too foreign an image for us. I've only seen a gun when I was already an adult 😅
"Starship Troopers is an American military science fiction media franchise based on the 1959 novel of the same name by Robert A. Heinlein and the satirical 1997 film adaptation by screenwriter Edward Neumeier and director Paul Verhoeven."
Quote straight out of Wikipedia. The movie bears almost no relationship at all to the book except for the names of some characters and the title. There are no women troopers and the few women in the naval ratings are rarely seen. The military actually behaves like a military organization and not a dumb horde. There is no love story. The humans have other alien partners and allies against the "bugs" and other combatant races. Ricos father isn't killed but rather shows up later as another enlistee. That and so many other differences make one of the best arguments for reading the book I can think of. Once you understand what Robert Heinlein was actually writing about You will also understand why this is such a satire.
It would have been nice to see the standard-issue power-armor from the book, with their inbuilt jetpack and missile launchers.
Definitely need to read it!!!
Except Verhoeven failed at his satire. He meant to portray a fascist society but completely forgot to put any actual fascism in in the movie.
@@KurNorockthe closest thing in the movie to fascism I can think of is the part about needing government approval to procreate. Otherwise there is only imagery.
@kwangsoo515 Yeah, that's about it. But even that isn't fascism. A truly fascist state would have no limits on procreation because it just wants more people for the state to put to use. If a fascist state were to impose limits on who can or can not procreate, it would not be based on who decides to get a license or not. It would be a hard rule where some people get to and others do not, and there is nothing anybody can do to change their lot.
I love Lucy's laugh, she sounds like Lilu in the 5th Element!
Ahahah I need to show her that movie!
The whole training with guns Vs guns was because it builds teamwork improves reflexes and creates a harmonious fighting force ....
And it made sense, at that time they didn't thought they would be starting a war with the bugs
Have you watched Battle LA? It's also military and aliens...I sometimes describe it similar to blackhawk down action but with aliens.
Nope, that one I'm not familiar with!
Casper Van Dien and Dina Meyer were 29
Denise Richards was 26
Neil Patrick Harris was 24
Thank you!!
That Klendathu Drop music always works. 😌
Absolutely! 👌
Another Great Reaction !!! Thank You
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Movie : "Eight Legged Freaks"
I thought it was a joke until I actually typed that on Google... Oh no...
I like the theory that the meteor was not sent by the bugs at all, but it did serve as a pretext for war. A meteor traveling from Klendathu without the aid of special technology would take thousands of years to reach Earth. However, everyone accepts the claim that it was part of an attack by the bugs that requires an immediate response. I don't know if that was what was intended by either Heinlein or Verhoeven, but it's interesting to think about.
That's not a theory. It's just garbage made up by people who are desperate to make humanity out to be the bad guys.
The meteor was sent by the bugs. There is literally zero evidence to say otherwise.
Yes, its a very suspicious and very precise attack from the bugs part
@@ptthatswhatshesaid the bugs have gigantic brains as their leadership. Who even knows how intelligent they might be? Why assume that they would be incapable of targeting earth with an asteroid when literally all of the evidence points towards it being true?
He was not a pussy for hiding in that cabinet ...if they got his brains they would've got his knowledge too ...
When you see the force that comes after ...you will understand how him saving himself(a soldier that probs is worth a few hundred thousand in training) was a smart move
yes, it was good he was not captured and that they did not sucked his brains out, but still... yes, he was a pussy! 😂😂
Rico lives in Buenos Aires because in their time, the Northern Hemisphere is all but destroyed possibly due to Global Warming, Nuclear Warfare, could be anything. What I love about this movie is the ambiguity of the plot, we don't even know why there is a conflict between Humans and Bugs.
He's Filipino in the book
We only know or see what the characters know, which in that world would not be much since the government controls the truth 🤷🏻♂️ who knows if the bugs actually sent that rock that wiped out Buenos Aires
@@ptthatswhatshesaid the government does not control the truth. Quite the opposite - we see the news being very transparent about what's happening (a totalitarian government that is hell-bent on controlling the narrative would never permit news of a disaster like Klendathu to reach the public. Hell - the Romans would literally "erase" all mention of legions that fucked up too bad.
The rock hitting BA is a plot hole. The bugs attack BA, because they do it in the book, but in the book, they have actual spaceships, and FTL technology. The movie makes them dumb animals, which leads to the improbable asteroid.
So why is Harvard still around?
Hi i bet Lucy would absolutely love "300"
Although I'm sure she would not be a fan of the fact that the movie is so stylised and not realistic, I know she would LOVE the vibe! 👌🏻
Not a fan of spiders? Ah, so I take it william shatners kingdom of the spiders isn't an option then, or arachnophobia. Though speaking of movies with jeff daniels in them that involve the army i'd recommend gettysburg from 1993 and its prequel gods and generals. Very long movies at 3 - 4 hours each but worth watching at least once at some point
No spiders for her!! 😂😂 She would kill me!
Thanks a lot for the suggestions, its all movies that both of us have not seen
@@ptthatswhatshesaidArachnophobia 1990
John Goodman has a small fun part as an exterminator in Arachnophobia. He's in the movie for only a few minutes, but totally steals the show. More like just a cameo, but so funny.
@@rikuruohomaki3230 John Goodman is always gold! I might try for her to see the movie yeah
But the movie isn't really about fighting the bugs, is it? That's just a catalyst for the real message... And all the famous Verhoeven films carry a similar message
For info on how the war with the aracnids started you'll have to read the book.
Verhoeven conveniently left out a lot of that kind of info.
Based on all the comments, it appears this is a very, very superficial adaptation of the book
@@ptthatswhatshesaid It's a bit worse than just superficial.
The book is the authors depiction of his idea of the perfect libertarian world.
Limiting the right to vote and holding public office only to those who willingly served the federation is meant to be a filter to get rid of self-serving people in politics by simply not being worth the trouble when you have every other right without having to serve anyone.
Verhoeven is a socialist and is very much fundamentally opposed to libertarianism so he chose to depict the federation as fascistic, that's why he added having children as something you had to serve to earn, sprinkled in the parody propaganda clips and gave Carl the snazzy SS looking uniform.
But as a socialist, his ability to depict actual fascism is limited by the fact that fascism is just Socialism with some minor tweaks to make it work a bit more effectively, so he wasn't all that successful at making the federation fascist rather than simply militaristic.
Under fascism the Klendathu fiasco would never have resulted in the Sky Marshall admitting fault, taking responsibility and stepping down while broadcasting it on their own propaganda network, because the state is infallible and all powerful. The fiasco would have been blamed on some random fall guy.
In the book, military service is not the only way to serve the federation, because everyone must be allowed to earn their franchise if they want to, no matter their physical ability/disability.
If you ask to serve, they WILL find something you can do.
There's a lot of other minor differences too, like Dizzy being a guy, Ace Levy being two people, Ricos dad surviving by not being there when the meteor strikes and ending up serving under his son in the Roughnecks to avenge his wife and rediscover his masculinity.
All in all the movie is an attempted smear-piece against the author of the book, but it wasn't done very well, so it ended up coming across as just a really cool sci-fi action film with some confused political points.
The throwaway line in the beginning of the movie about the social sciences having brought ruin to society before the military veterans established the federation IS in the book and is fleshed out a lot more and actually feels very accurate to today's society.
@@CordovanSplotchVT Ok, veeeeery different from the book then 🤷♂ why would someone adapt something they have not even read?! Create your own story then! (and make it about an actual evil interstellar fascist empire - I'm sure it can be interesting)
@@ptthatswhatshesaid Verhoeven had a bit of a semi-public spat with the author if I remember correctly.
@@CordovanSplotchVT Interesting 🤔
10:28 that’s a good take the ages of the actors, notice how children are continuing to live at home later and later- maybe in the future people stay in high school until they’re 25. The movie never specifically says their ages (not sure if the book says the specific ages, I’m too lazy to read it)
Who knows, but highschool might last longer in that world
Im gonna try to conquer my laziness and read it 😜
34:02 Best line delivery in the whole movie. 🤣
Consider this: They showed off the orbital defense system early in the movie, easily shooting down a meteor. So you mean to tell me that bugs who are literally light-years away from earth can accurately propel a meteor across that vast distance, past orbital defenses specifically designed to stop this sort of thing, and then not only hit land (which only comprises 30% of the planet's surface), but hit a major city and destroy it?
That's a level of belief only capable by a population who cannot question their government.
Or a plot hole created by necessity of following the book, in which the enemy has working FTL technology, but making the enemies essentially dumb animals, but you still need them to attack your planet, because they do it in the book.
Did you miss all the parts where people were questioning the government all the time without reprecussion?
Rico's parents, the reporter pointing out how many people were against the war, the debate on the talk show about whether the bugs were intelligent or not...
I know people like to think this movie is a commentary on fascism, but it isn't. Verhoeven forgot to put any actual fascism in the movie.
Lastly, the narrator said "the bugs sent ANOTHER meteor our way". That means this was a meteor sent some time AFTER the one that hit Beunos Ares. Which means the planetary defense system was probably built AFTER the first meteor hit.
@@KurNorock Yeah Verhoen wanted to make a movie critical of Fascism hence the uniforms but then did not read the book or even learn what real fascism is. He was a child of 9 when the war ended hence his view of what a NAZI/Fascism is was twisted into anything or anyone who opposed leftism. When in fact Fascism and Nazism are both leftist political ideologies.
Yep, it sure was a lucky shot !
I wonder if the bugs bought a lottery ticket the same day ? 😎
@@WithTwoFlakes Maybe. But do we know that the meteor isn't self-guided? The Bugs have colonized multiple worlds. They could only have done that it they either had exceptional targeting capability or can course correct on the fly. Stands to reason that the Bugs would have a flight crew on the asteroid guiding it to its target. Especially if the Bugs are analogous to ants in that some casts are incapable of reproduction. Which means that those non-reproductive castes are expendable.
11:30 if Rico’s parents aren’t citizens how did they have Johnny Rico? Was he adopted maybe?
That is one possibility. Maybe that rule wasn't implemented at the time they had Rico also
Hello Guys!😊 I just found your channel. Your girlfriend is funny. She felt sorry for the brain bug. This film is actually part of an unofficial trilogy. Director Paul Verhoeven made three futuristic violent films. This is actually the third film, with the most CGI. The other two films are "Robocop" (1987) and "Total Recall" (1990). The director's style can clearly be seen in these well made films as well. Great reactions to your first Verhoeven film, Kids!!!!🎬👏👏👏👏
Thank you! ☺️
We have very recently also seen Robocop (still need to edit it for TH-cam), but Total Recall we still need to see yeah!!
Dunno, seems to me that Breckenridge would be dead even with his helmet still on... :)
Anyway, he and the chick who shot him are a married couple now :)
Yeah, that was something fun to discover 😋
Such a great score composed and conducted by Basil Poledouris.
So epic 👌🏻
PSYCHO Girlfriend First Time Watching..... The first honest woman! 🤐🤪
😂😂😂
Flip six three hole play, then you can score.
"They're from Buenos Aires? Why are they speaking English"
she said in English
If they were talking while shooting a video for TH-cam I would understand! 😝
But its the future, you can say that everyone speaks english in that universe xD
As soon as you start saying someone has to earn the right to vote - whether through military service or anything else - you're setting up a society with self-perpetuating divisions, where groups will work to ensure that other groups don't or can't earn that right. It's a terrible idea no matter which way you cut it
watch hacksaw ridge. plenty of gore, but also a true story
Absolutely, its her favourite movie 😁
We will record a rewatch one of these days
Loved your reaction! It was great
THank you very much :p
Unusual nasty but great movie. lol 😆 (1997). . .
Another movie that came out in 97’ y’all should check out is “Money Talks” and “The Fifth Element”. 👌🏿
I had never heard of Money Talks, but I see it is also with Chris Tucker. She would like it probably, she loves Rush Hour 😂😂 The 5th element I definitely need to show her!
there are a few sequels you could watch related to this but the best of them by far is the animated movie in my opinion.
Never seen it. Never knew it existed actually!
"Arachnophobia" seems to be in the cards then... 😁🕸
😬😬😬 oh no...
@@ptthatswhatshesaid or Eight Legged Freaks
Just so you know, the book this is based on is a genuinely pro facist book. And this is the society he’s championing. The film was meant to satirize the book. Although they knew most people wouldn’t know that. But that’s why we get the propaganda cuts that are prima facia ridiculous.
Also, the Actors *Really* didn’t want to do the shower scene but he somehow persuaded them. There’s another film I can’t remember that’s well known where they wanted to do the same but time had moved on just a few years and the actors refused. It’s interesting that we consider total disregard of gender as futuristic in this context considering right wing attitudes atm!
Btw, he might have been in the wire but my guess is you recognized him from The Walking Dead.
She has never seen The Walking Dead, and I have seen the first couple seasons and don't recall him being there. On the other hand The Wire is one of our favourite shows ever 😋
@@ptthatswhatshesaid ok. Thx. The walking dead was actually quite good until around 4 years ago. Just looked him up on IMDB - Khary Payton is not in the Wire. Best known for “General Hospital” & “The walking dead” apparently!
Also:
Payton has portrayed Cyborg in the Teen Titans animated series and Aqualad in Young Justice. In the cartoon series Justice League, Payton provided the voice of the villain Ten from the Royal Flush Gang. He also provided the voice of Drebin in the game Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Ripcord in G.I. Joe: Renegades, Blade in Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Grimlock in Transformers: Robots in Disguise and Killer Croc in Batman: Arkham Underworld and is voicing Wasabi on the Disney XD original series Big Hero 6 based on the Marvel Comics by Man of Action and the film of the same name.
Y’all should watch the animated sequels to Starship Troopers 😊
yeah everyone seems to recommend those (and tell use to avoid the live action sequels xD)
@@ptthatswhatshesaid do them all in order. Storyline turned out well and I enjoyed it personally
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I like this movie ! 👌
0:22:10 Yes this is planet Earth
I have always had mixed feelings about this movie. The effects, action, and cinematography are phenomenal. The swarming of the bugs is probably the most terrifying scene of any film I have ever watched. However, the film has a weirdly mixed tone, I think. My late father, who also liked it for the most part, attributed this to the recruiting-film framing device. Or it may in part be because it has certain soap-opera qualities in the treatment of the characters.
The source material, Heinlein’s book of the same title, won a Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1959. I thought it was outstanding when I read it in the late ’60s, but when I reread it after “Ender’s Game” was published, I felt that it was a very uneven novel
You might consider reacting to the “Ender’s Game” movie. The book’s author (Orson Scott Card) intended it in part as an homage to Heinlein’s “Starship Troopers,” but its take on the subject and thematic focus are quite different.
It's the soap opera tone of most of the plot and characters I think, at least it's what I have always felt personally xD I now love how exaggerated that part is, but yeah, can seem quite weird
They did tellus what started the war. A mining expidition that went to the bug planet without authorization. The bugs killed them protecting thier teritory and the humans retaliated.
It is implied, but the bigger picture is still not for us to know. But anyway, like Lucy says in the reaction, the conflict tarted and the bugs wiped out millions of humans, yeah its time for war! 😂😂
Even though I'm a bit suspicious of that rock hitting Buenos Aires... 🧐
Service guarantees citizenship isn't a bad idea 🤔
to decide for ourselves - this is our only real freedom. damn true! ❤(and believe me, young lady, only when we reach 50 years old, we stop "raising the flag" at the sight of every beauty we meet!😊)why are battleships in orbit where they can be fired upon?? well, because they have to support the troops down on the planet! what is the use of a battleship that is far from the battlefield???
Ok, that is a possible explanation on the presence of the battleships having to be on a certain side, but they could definitely be more spread out!!
Love Rasczak! My favourite character 😜
@@ptthatswhatshesaid michael ironside has always been one of my favorite actors.great screen presence!
@@boqndimitrov8693 Agreed!
13:51 this must be the most 'fantasy' part in this entire movie.
Got this awesome 😎 movie on dvd 📀
Don't listen to anybody trying to tell you this movie is a commentary on fascism and militarism. It isn't. Yes, that was Verhoeven's intention, but he forgot to put any actual fascism in the movie. Instead he portrayed the federation as a small government, meritocratic, libertarian utopia. There is no nepotism, no corruption, public officials (along with everybody else) are held accountable for their actions, and nobody is forced to do anything.
Also, this is a movie about a war, so of course the movie focuses on the military. But that doesn't mean the entire society is militaristic. The fact that joining the military is 100% voluntary and people can quit at any time, is proof enough of that.
The director (and writer) just wasn't very knowledgeable on that subject I think. It is clearly meant as a satire like the news segments are directed, but if that was the case they should have changed a lot more things definitely!
@@ptthatswhatshesaid the news segments showed nothing but 100% factual information. We know they were true because we saw the things happen. Rico was there.
Why would the reporter be there? Mate there is an actual job called 'War Correspondent.'
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Which should not go with the first wave!!! 😂
@@ptthatswhatshesaid They do though and they get killed even if they don't.
Spiders. Hmmmm. Arachnophobia? A movie that traumatised me when i was younger. Lol
Even I managed to never watch that movie 😬😬😬 but I think we might give it a shot yeah xD
The Just 2 question do you really watch movies with one pod each and talk through out the movie ?
Yes, one pod each but I would really love to get a different better set up! 🫣
And yes, we talk a lot throughout the movie, but keep in mind we do watch it with portuguese subtitles so we might not miss anything
Carl made it look easy to kill the bug because the bug was in a cage and unable to move much or attack. Carl was in no danger and could remain calm.
Out on the battlefield, the bugs are far more mobile and able to attack back. Stress is high and hitting a tiny nerve cluster on a very fast moving target is much easier said than done.
Also, while it was a propaganda reel, literally all of the propaganda reels in the movie show 100% factual information.
suggestions:
"We Were Soldiers" (2002) *True Story*
"Flags of Our Fathers" (2007) *True Story*
"American Sniper" (2014) *True Story*
"Black Hawk Down" (2001) *True Story*
"Patriot Day" (2016) *True Story*
"Lone Survivor" (2013) *True Story*
"The Great Raid" (2005) *True Story*
Thanks a lot!
I think most of those she has seen since its here type of movies, but I'll check with here 😉
This movie is such a good test to see if someone has a mind vulnerable to propaganda and authoritarianism.
that rock hitting earth seems very unlikely to have been sent from the bugs...
@@ptthatswhatshesaid the army of children at the end is very...the allies are 5 miles outside of Berlin...
@@badrhetoric5637 no, they are just fresh out of bootcamp 😅🤫
@@ptthatswhatshesaid they're children. They're clearly losing the war.
LOL'S THE GIRL IS AWESOME!! 😂 AND REALLY ADORABLE! .. SHE FELT THINGS FOR THE BRAIN! SHE DOES NOT HAVE WAT IT TAKES THOUGH TO BE A CITIZEN !!! 😎😎😁😁
too much sympathy for non-humans xD but that's it, she has everything else 😂😂
"star wars or something?"
how dare you!
Just casually throwing that name.. 😂😂😂
The movie is fun, but please read both the book by Heinlein and a critical response, "The Forever War" by Haldeman.
Something gory? Challenge accepted. I propose the 2008 French version of "Martyrs."
I'll definitely check the book out, and "Martyrs" seem to be really f'd up! 😬😬😬 interesting xD
The reason hollywood films use older actors is because of filming restrictions for minors. They can only shoot a limited number of hours a day and it slows down filming costing more money and they cant do nude scenes. Also there isnt as many quality actors that are that young and lack experience.
Zander Is the real hero of this movie with the least moral and personal flaws.
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Can't disagree! 😁
yes please
Very good reaction. Thanks
Thank you so much! ☺
Anything with spiders now. Anything
You know what, I might just risk it and have her react to a certain movie with a lot of spiders indeed 😶
Of course I'm aware I will mysteriously die in my sleep that very night...
12:50 Well to be fair a gun is just a fancy club without bullets.
It is indeed xD but we do see the soldiers just handing out bullets to everyone 😂😂😂
Don't you want your kids to be citizens someday? You saw how weak those guns were...I bet it could barely even kill a small child.
@@ptthatswhatshesaid People just assume those were live bullets. When I was a kid, I was really interested in the army and ended up writing them asking what it was like in real life. They sent me a letter back with some memorabilia. Pictures, some dog tags, and a rifle bullet. It was perfectly safe, it still had the bullet attached but it didn't have any primer or powder so it couldn't be fired. As far as 7-year-old me was concerned it was just about the coolest thing ever.
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Yes please xD
Normally I agree with the weirdness of believing that 30+ year olds are 18, but I think it kind of fits in this world.
Consider that they have very advanced biotech (like the healing pods) and are super militaristic, I don't think it's unrealistic to think that people have been engineered to physically age more quickly. It would also likely result in more brain development prior to adulthood, allowing them to be indoctrinated more quickly while also having fully developed brains (normally happening in the mid 20s).
I don't believe that was considered in any way for casting, but I think it justifies suspending disbelief for this one.
ahahah that is indeed an interesting theory!!
In the book very few people get citizenship through the military most of them get it for doing other dangerous or unpleasant volunteer work. Nobody is born with citizenship if you want it you have to earn it and they cannot turn you away even if you are disabled they have to find something for you to do as it is your right.
Civilians have all rights except the ability to vote or hold office.
Its a harsh meritocracy the basic idea is one must show they are willing to work for and sacrifice for society before they can have a say in how it is run or be a leader in it.
Well, not a terrible idea tbh
Like you said, sounds like a harsh meritocracy, but at least it is one! which doesn't really align with the fascist satire they were going for xD
Need to read the book
@@ptthatswhatshesaid The movie wasn't originally a Starship Troopers movie it was called something along the lines of "Bughunt at Outpost 9".
Over half way through production someone noticed the similarities to the novel and then attached the IP. Director couldn't read more than a few pages because he found it "boring" and read a synopsis instead then decided that it sounds fascist and wrote it as such in a satirical way.
In book they dropped from orbit in power armor miles separate from each other and used an excessive amount of nuclear weapons. The novel actually pioneered the concept of power armor as we now know it in the sci-fi genre.
War....War Never Changes! FallOut
One of my favourite games! 😜
"Spiders that weren't spiders"? They were called Arachnids. What do you think that means? How can you feel sorry for the Brain Bug that was sucking out brains to get intelligence and giving the orders for the other bugs to attack and kill humans? Didn't you get that the Brain Bug was in control of all the others?
Don't try to find a logic 🤦🏻♂️😂😂
The filmmaker wanted to portray the source material as being a fascist distopian future, but he accidentally made an ideal society where people who are invested in it get to make their views known, where today every moron gets a voice
¤ Watches Verhoeven pastiche on fascism ¤
"Hey, maybe some of the ideas in this movie are onto something!" ;D
Ahahah! Well, its clear he wanted to do a satire on fascism (and we do get some more superficial elements: love those propaganda news reel 😂), but then he should have put and actual full blown fascist society, without all the personal freedoms we see in the movie! Anyways, it is still a massively militaristic society.
Very entertaining however you choose to look at it 😜
great movie
Ps: have you guys watched Arachnophobia (1990) ?"? 😇
It is a very entertaining movie for sure!
None of us have watched that one yet no, but I'm seriously considering it 😅😅 she will kill me though