For those wanting to see how tuned DDR4 memory performs with a 3rd gen Ryzen processor, you can find benchmark results here: th-cam.com/video/iH3qq_mSxTM/w-d-xo.html Disclaimer: We take no responsibility for any damage you might do to your system when following this guide, tweak/overclock at your own risk. Also be careful with Thaiphoon Burner and only use it as shown in the video. You may have to disable anti-virus software before running it (it is not a virus) and it's recommended you close any monitoring software such as Corsair iCUE for example.
I've used the Thaiphoon Burner and it doesn't give me any information, it says unknown on almost everything... I've got 32GB of corsair vengeance rgb pro 3200 cl16
I gave up on my ryzen 2600 year ago, team group delta rgb 3000mhz - xmp or if i set 1.35v and 3000mhz manualy - same. Kept passing mem test but crashing in games (idk how) when i put it to 2733mhz works fine.
[FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T CALCULATE XMP IN DRAM CALCULATOR] .Great tutorial but i was having a little trouble with the new 1.7.3 version and through looking through comments and other videos i found it. Thaiphoon burner > read > choose ram > report > scroll all the way down (bottom right)> show delays in nanoseconds > export > Complete HTML Report > DRAM calculator > Bottom Left Import XMP > choose file > done
Pro Tip bomb with Memtest: only run tests 6 and 8. Those are the 2 tests that it will most likely fail on. If it passes test 6 and 8 then you can run the full test if you want, but it's almost not needed in most cases. This will save you a ton of time! Great video!
Instead of reading the XMP in Dram Calculator, I suggest to export the complete HTML Report with latency in nanoseconds from Thaiphoon Burner and import that to Dram Calculator, as the XMP reading is often not correct.
@@Hardwareunboxed Was about to say. That by clicking RXMP You are reading Preset V1 values for 93% quality B-die kit for better Binned B-Die kit. Version 2 is Preset for Lower quality B-Die kit. And to have Quality of Your's kit You need to click import XMP and get the HTML file from Thaiphoon Burner that You export in nanoseconds values as Full Report. Then You get to see what quality of modules Your's kit actualy have under Avanced tab. Generally thats best thing to do if You cant get Profile V1 to boot or pass Error Free.
now i know why nothing worked :D DRAM calc read my XMP wrongly, but.. i cannot import the report anyway :S tells me i havent selected "show delays in nanoseconds" but i cant see such option anywhere :/
@@mashirohakase After you read the profile in Thaiphoon Burner, klick on report and then scroll all the way down. There you can find "show delays in nanoseconds".
I did this about a month ago and the benefits are huge! Everything was running pretty smooth with the occasional stutter here and there before, but now after using the FAST settings that I calculated I am getting 0 stutters. Really pushed my ryzen 5 3600 + ddr4 3200 ram to the limit with perfect stability.
When I used to test RAM using MemTest86 I started the process just before going to bed at night. No down time that way. Thank you for another great video!
Wow thank you dude! Just ordered a 3700x from PC Case Gear to arrive this week and I was literally just wondering how to go about this and this very timely vid pops up. Nice!
i looked it up, found the software despite lack of links.. newest version of software doesnt have a purple button. "import xmp" button (grey) opens a file search box, i assume its expecting me to have a copy of the xmp profile from the ram module saved to my desktop or something?
Two quick notes that I don't think came up in the video, if you're on Hynix dies or having trouble launching Thaiphoon Burner: 1) If your DRAM uses Hynix dies, check the PART NUMBER in the DRAM COMPONENTS section. For example my Corsair Vengeance LPX has the DIE part number as H5AN8G8NAFR-TFC, it's that "AFR" part before the dash that denotes my dies as Hynix AFR dies. Looking at the Die Density/Count one won't tell you the die type on Hynix. 2) If you can't get Thaiphoon Burner to run, try turning you antivirus program off while running it. Avast kept me from starting Thaiphoon Burner, it just died silently without a window coming up at any point, but stopping the protection for 5 minutes allowed me to run the program successfully.
Just did this. Got my cheap 32gb Gskill 3600 kit from CAS 19 to CAS 16 - stable. Thanks so much for this video :) I had opened the calculator about 2 weeks ago, but didn't know how to find what type of die my memory used. This tutorial really helped.
Good video, I've been using those programs to overclock my RAM for about a year and I've gotten my 3200mhz ram to run stable at 3600mhz. Good tutorial, but I might mention if your motherboard doesn't have a cmos reset button you might want to have a jumper on hand, or at least a flat head screwdriver to clear the cmos because it's easy to lock it up with too aggressive of timings.
@@silverwerewolf975 Well so basicly I think amazon might have sent me 2133 memory instead of 2666mhz, I saw it said it 2133 MHz but thought it was a small mistake, so I just went further as if I had 2666mhz meaning I overclocked it alot. I'm fully sure I bought 2666 so I will contact amazon later today. Also Im currently waiting for Cmos battery, I put it out 5 min ago. Are you sure I have to wait 1 hour?
@@killerbean5006 To wait for an hour is BS, you just disconnect the power cord from psu and remove the cmos battery for about 30 sec and you are god to go
So that would be before February/March 2017. :) Obviously quadcore still is mainstream, not everybody has had the chance to upgrade. I did finally from an i5-750 to a 3700X, there were some problems with the first BIOS'es from Gigabyte including consistent game-crashes but those seem to have been solved with the latest BIOS.
on the other hand.. saw a guy buying a 6600k (thats the 4/4 core ones) for a 180 bucks.. I'm sure they were desperate but thats the only thing I would've let them get away with
@@mazedmarky Or the ACO's, Far Cry 5, BF1 multiplayer on a large map, or BF5, Shadow of the Tomb Raider... More and more games require more than 4 cores. Tech Deals had someone Tweet at him that his 3900X got to 100% while playing ACO. Other than that with a quadcore on which HT is disabled you will notice a much bigger deviation in frame-render-time. The quadcore-CPU is outdated, nobody should buy a quadcore-CPU any more if he wants to play videogames with it, that is a fact. I am not saying that you should throw away a quacore-CPU if you have one, keep using it as long as you don't get annoyed by the higher frame-rendertimes for the slower rendered frames. The point is that nobody should have been buying a quadcore-CPU since late 2016/early 2017 with gaming in mind other than when you would exclusively play some MoBa's and e-sport games. That guy who recently paid $180 overspent severerly, possibly he did that to avoid a motherboard upgrade but I would take the motherboard upgrade and a 3600 any day over that. Then you even have the possibility to buy a 16C CPU of the next Ryzen-generation on the cheap 2-3 years from now.
Steve, you should recommend TM5.. that mem checker thing for quick tests between OC attempts. It's a heck of a lot easier to test with this in Windows than wait 3 hours every time. This stuff usually comes down to 90% DRAM Calc, 10% fiddling with it manually, so it's a lot easier to see if it boots, then give it a quick test with TM5. If it won't pass TM5 than it's useless to wait 3 hours for memtest. Use memtest only if it passes TM5.
thank you so much. i searched for teamgroup ram same as your's overclock info there was no info anywhere but after sometime my gpu died and NOW i find this.. but i'm still glad thanks
One thing Steve didn't mention: DRAM Calculator doesn't really work for the majority of Micron E-Die kits, if you do use it and your system fails to boot or the mem test gives errors your first thing to try should be increasing tRCDRD by 2 or so, and if that doesn't work increase tRFC up to around 600-650 if it isn't already.
Larwood I’m getting intermittent errors with Hynix CJR on the safe preset as well. It seems stable for the most part but throws an error once or twice an hour. I’ve already tried the alt tRFC timing and increasing the dram voltage by 0.01v but the error frequency is the same so I think it’s one timing in particular. It’s a 3200-16 kit running at 3600-16 1.41v.
You filled in, all the information I needed, to make sense in all the confusing information I already gathered and you did it, in a concise and clear manner. No other reviewer has ever impressed me that much and I know quite a few. Thank's a lot!
Silicone lottery my friend. My Micron E-die 3200 CL18 won't handle even CL16 but it WILL do 3600 at factory timings without issue. Strange. At least pushing to 3600 gets my true latency down to 10ns.
I used the Ryzen DRAM calculator and it's an amazing piece of software. For memory OC noobs like me it's a very helpful tool. I OC'd my ram from 2400 to 3466! I Definitely feel the difference! Games are so smooth now.
@@nindajuka8427 Yup I really lucked out! Considering this is a Nanya A-die. It's a Kingston Hyperx Fury single sided 8 GB DDR4 2400. I initially had a hard time which die to choose in the calculator since Thaiphoon shows it's Nanya manufactured. A quick google search shows that Nanya is under Micron.
Good video overall. Here are more tips regarding memory overclocking: If the DIMMs are picky and not liking the recommended timings, especially at faster memory speeds (more relevant to first and second gen Ryzen), then going to manual/debug instead of V1 is possible. You then enter the ns timings found after doing a read SPD in Thaiphoon Burner into the fields that were populated when you hit the R-XMP button. This is entering the values that the ram manufacturer has validated for XMP values, rather than the more general timings that 1usmus has found to work with the different memory types. It changes the timings slightly that are recommended and can help with pesky higher speeds OCs. In alternative, you can use V2 for lower quality memory DIMMs for the type of memory it is. For testing, there are three in windows mem tests that can help test for stability: 1) Testmem5 V0.12, 2) HCI Memtest (now integrated into the DRAM calculator), and 3) Karhu memtest. I personally use number 1 and 2 to test for errors on my memory. I start with TM5, which is relatively fast for checking for errors. If that can pass, I then run HCI memtest overnight to check for errors. Now, going into windows has the possibility that if the memory is throwing errors, it can corrupt system files. ALWAYS do a backup of your system before doing memory tuning. If Windows starts to act funny or corrupted, go to command prompt or powershell to run SFC /scannow for it to check for errors in system files and replace them. If you suspect the ram corrupted those files, obviously reset the ram to default before you do this, or the ram could further corrupt the system. There are even more tips and tricks, but just wanted to give a little bit more information. Also, sometimes what you set for voltages in the BIOS is not necessarily what is sent at times. This can be due to MB mfr compensation for LLC of components, etc. If having trouble with stability, you may want to open HWInfo in windows and check the voltage set versus what is delivered. For example, my Taichi X399 reads as 20mV higher for VDIMM voltage in HWInfo versus what is set in the BIOS. When trying to achieve faster speeds, especially on first gen Ryzen/Threadripper, having too much voltage may be the issue on Vsoc or VDIMM. So, unless you have a digital multimeter, HWInfo is a good way to do a sanity check and adjust your voltages up or down accordingly. I use two 2x8GB Trident Z 4133 19-21-21 kits from 2015/16 (bought them when I had my Skylake 6700K). So the timings and voltages recommended in the timing calculator did not work perfectly for me on my 1950X when getting 3466 and 3600 stable (I ran 3600 CL14-17-17 until a bios update no longer allowed that to run stable on my system, at which time I went to 3466 CL14 15 15). If I gave the SoC or the VDIMM too much voltage, it would increase my errors in memory testing rather than decreasing them (same with too little voltage). It was a balancing act. Also, the creator of the DRAM calculator has a tuning guide on TechPowerUp which is worth a read for trying to fine tune the ram. When using faster speeds on ram overclocking, the calculator becomes more of a guide and you will need to fine tune your sticks for what they are capable of. Either way, thank you for the video!!! Edit: Also seconding BKMorpheus mentioning exporting the HTML report with Thaiphoon Burner then importing that. For awhile, the import was not available. Hence telling how to enter those values manually.
ajc9988 so its fine to follow this video guide or any recommended link guide in video since im not a pro and really dont understand about this. I buy trident 8x2 with 3200mhz but only get 2133mhz
@@haseofans haseofans I would say yes, generally. It will not help with certain cases where more fine tuning and experience in overclocking are needed. The links to the software, from a cursory look, seem to link to the proper pages for distribution of the software. If you run into issues, there is the community page on overclock.net for the dram calc.
Holy crap it works! Thanks a lot! Never touched the timing cuz I don't know what to do and seriously my nose is bleeding when I look in the bios for that lol
R-XMP= Read XMP was all I needed. Sadly, the latest version of the DRAM calculator requires the XMP values to be imported into it. So, After you read the SPD using Thaiphoon burner, you'll need to click the report button, scroll down and click "Show Delays in nano seconds", Save the complete report as HTML file, and then import it into the Ryzen Calculator. I'm only doing this because the default XMP profile for my RAM is unstable and gives me random crashes BTW, thank you for making this video. It was helpful and reassuring that I won't damage my RAM or CPU by doing this.
I went through this yesterday. One value per reboot for me. My memory wasn't quite as good as the calculator suggested. It only took me 2 CMOS resets. Still impressive that I can get my rubbish hynix mfr dies (Corsair 3200 c16) up to 3333 c15. I can definitely feel the extra snappiness in the computer.
@@sbcbronzeadventures9158 I'm not sure, but I don't think that matters with gen 2 Ryzen. Being that I can match the infinity fabric with the ram speed. Was trying for 3400 but wouldn't boot. Might try again with more voltage. Only using 1.38 for now.
IMPORTANT: a wrong tRFC timing can make any OC you do on your RAM unstable! Because recent versions of the DRAM Calculator won't show tRFC 2 and 4, only tRFC and tRFC(Alt). If your motherboard has tRFC 2 and 4, you have to set those timings using an older version of the DRAM Calculator (v1.41) that shows up those timings.
@@williamtael8379 I have no idea, but I'm assuming some sort of mathematical computing/electronics relationship. They seem to work though. One extreme, and supposedly stable OC example I checked indeed has the same ratios. My present OC is using this rule (after applying DRAM Calc's trfc advice) and is stable. I don't know how precise the settings have to be though, haven't tried it myself.
It remains to thank Steve (for the detailed video) and Yuri (for the DRAM Calculator). Recently I started assembling the system on Ryzen and would like to delve into memory overclocking, since I had no idea about this. Up to this day. By the way, I live in the same city as the author of Ryzen DRAM Calculator and am very glad that my compatriot's program is used by computer enthusiasts around the world.
Thank you for this very helpful guide! I tweaked the RAM on my Ryzen 3 2200G rig and without a frequency increase (from 3600 MHz), I was able to increase my Fire Strike score from 2276 to 2922! Very nice jump and my games are running faster by 5-10%. Might give this a shot for a while then see if 3733 might be possible.
hello i also have a 2200g, i have 2x xpg d41 3000mhz one is samsung B-die and the another is samsung C-die both are Rank 1 and their latency are the same 16-18-18, dram for ryzen suggets 14-17-17 for the B-die but the C-die doesn't appear in dram for ryzen, do you think i could only set the first 5 main timmings parameters? or could i increase frecuency on the x.m.p profile to 3200mhz without touching timmings?
Thanks for this guide. While I have been overclocking CPU's and graphics cards for many years, overclocking memory and setting the timings has always been a bit of a mystery for me (too many settings to really wrap my head around). Thanks to this guide and the tools mentioned it seems like a far less daunting exercise than it has previously been.
So... since this thread is perfect for that --- I wanted to share my early tuning results of the Threadripper 3960X and 128GB RAM done by me using Thaiphoon Burner and Ryzen DRAM Calc 1.6.0.2. Hardware : CPU 3960X, Stock (for now), AIO Cooled (Liqtech 280, swapped liquid), 64GB kit of 4x16GB Ripjaws V 3200 CL14 (B-Die, DS), 2 x 32GB kits (2x16GB) of Crucial Ballistix 3000 (Hynix E, DS), Mobo: Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Extreme with F3b UEFI (AGESA 1.0.0.2). Crucial Ballistix is a secret tip for anyone not scared to OC the RAM. According to different utilities it can go up to 4150 with correctly upped voltage. So... managed to get the TRX40 Platform stable with fully populated banks (8x DS 16GB RAM Modules) running at 3600 with CL of a mix between 16 and 18 :-) i.ibb.co/jw7DQV3/3600.jpg i.ibb.co/3FG1g3T/36002.jpg For that - since the Calculator doesn't officially support TRX40 yet - used the Processor : 2970WX 2990WX, MoBo : X399, DIMM Modules 4, Freq 3600 + safe values (will tune this later even further). This was my baseline... not all the values recommended were applied, but 100% of the values from the middle of the Main page (except tRFC2 tRFC4 - left on Auto). RAM 1.39 V I just LOVE the new TR3xxx Platform ! Oh, and you might want to use TestMem5 with the custom profile v3 created by 1usmus himself for some serious mem-stability testing! www.overclock.net/forum/27937684-post4314.html
I bought a pair of Patriot's Viper Steel 3000Mhz 8GB modules last week. I was struggling to make the system boot with the 3000Mhz CL16 factory D.O.C.P Profile, some times it would boot other it wouldn't but after watching this I could get 3000Mhz but with CL14 and it booted straight away, now I'm going to run some tests to see if it is stable or not. I'm glad I found this video because otherwise I would still be running this kit with the normal 2400Mhz profile, thanks a lot.
Thanks for this! I followed along on my Corsair LPX Vengeance 3200 CL16 to tune it with the FAST preset in the calculator and it was ok but I did have to increase voltage to 1.4 on my setup to pass memtest all the way. (R5 3600 + MSI Gaming Pro Carbon X470). At 1.37 memtest would get errors. 1.4 It passes. Also Memtest64 run in Windows would reboot the system after several minutes unless I set to 1.4v.
@@beemrmem3 Honestly I ended up going back to Standard XPM Profile for 3200 MHz. Only because from time to time the odd game would crash (as they sometimes do) and I wanted to make sure it was not RAM (Probably was not). But it still bugged me from time to time. It was still fun to experiment tho! And 3200 MHz CAS16 is still pretty good anyway.
Finally, thanks to this video I managed to set up my Viper patriot rgb 4133 with samsung b-die chip at 3600 CL14, at the beginning it was complex, but then I had the idea of printing the video data and those obtained with the ryzen calculator, so as to compare them and get feedback. Finally I feel satisfied, a very stable and more responsive system, happy to have written to the channel and to have put my like, it is one of the few, or rather, the only video done well on the whole TH-cam site! I can only say, God bless you brother! Thanks a lot, from now you have a new subscriber!
I noticed this too. Later in the video he said that if you encounter any errors in the test to try and up the voltage a bit. The safe zone is up to 1.45v. I assume it's just for peace of mind. If the calculator says 1.36, 1.37 cant hurt.
I was so excited to try this as I finally got some free time. Imagine my woe though when I learned I had Hynix BJR, so it's impossible to use DRAM calculator for it.
T. N. There are different types of Hynix RAM. When you look at the make of the RAM, you will find out what kind it is. BJR is a version of Hynix, but DRAM calculator isn’t optimized for it.
Wow this worked really well, passed the test no worries with the recommended settings on fast. Literally did it in about 20 minutes while watching the video excluding the memtest at the end
@@DrSpychology cclonline did have them, but it seems like everyone is out of stock. They'll have more at the end of the month. www.cclonline.com/product/291233/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX/Motherboards/MSI-B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX-AMD-Socket-AM4-B450-Chipset-ATX-Motherboard/MBD2680/ Fuck, I was hoping to get it before then.
Ive been playing around with my memory the last day and a bit on my new system, I have a stable (so far) 3600 cl14 profile, gonna test some higher settings now :D
mine is F die: Die Density / Count 4 Gb F-die (Z10B / 19 nm) / 1 die there is no option for F die in the latest version of DRAM Calculator. What should I select?
I had problems with 16GB Ballistix Elite DDR4 3600 MHz on ryzen 3900x, xmp didnt work. So had to run it at 3500 mhz. This tutorial worked is running on 3600 mhz with 16-17-19-36-56 this are timings taken from cpu-z. i used safe on ddr4 calculator. So ye works better than advertised, Thx Hardware Unboxed you get my sub
PSA: Please stop using the "DRAM calculator" I know it's been pushed by a large number of popular TH-camrs as a zero-effort, beginner-friendly way to overclock memory but its really not, and we seem to get daily posts on here from people complaining about issues arising from it. Let me explain a few of its core problems: 1. Thaiphoon Burner is woefully inaccurate The DRAM calculator relies on users identifying their own memory ICs, usually via Thaiphoon Burner. Problem is Thaiphoon is fairly rubbish -it's not a real memory IC detector, it just reads the SPD and matches it to a database of serial codes. The problem is that vendors like Corsair (seriously fuck Corsair, avoid buying their memory at all costs) will swap the memory ICs used in their high-speed kits from initial release, sometimes 2-3x, and Thaiphoon Burner will still read out the original IC. This is a problem because normally it incorrectly detects memory as being Samsung B-die (the best memory overclocking IC by far) and in reality most of the kits are Samsung C-die, which is about as different as possible. B-die can handle 1.5V or more without issue, C-die begins to suffer at 1.35V and can straight up die at >1.4V. B-die can run much tighter timings, decreasing tRCDRD on C-die by even 1 tick can cause it to fail to POST. B-die can run up to 4000MHz without much tweaking, C-die is just about capable of 3600MHz in most cases, and often fails to even overclock past 3400MHz. If your kit is less than $110 for 16gb - it's not B-die, and normally they will cost quite a bit more than this. Some common XMP configs that are 100% B-die are: 3200MHz / 14-14-14-34 / 1.35V 3600MHz / 16-16-16-36 / 1.35V 4400MHz / 19 -19-19-39 / 1.45V Identifying the right memory IC is essential to choosing the right timings. If you don't know what your dimms are, you shouldn't be overclocking them. 2. The settings it recommends are absurd, outdated, or better handled by the motherboard on auto There are so many settings that are ridiculous it's hard to know where to start, and impossible to cover everything: Every memory IC in any configuration is recommended somewhere between 1.36-1.42V, despite the variation even in different bins of B-die being larger than this. ProcODT values are often higher than is sensible, and the drive strengths seem to be picked at random. tRFC values are often too low (which on many ICs/motherboards will require a CMOS clear), and there's no mention of the temperature sensitivity of this timing. Spread Spectrum is recommended to be enabled, despite this being totally useless to actively detrimental. Some of the "fast" configurations suggest turning off Gear Down Mode, even for dual-rank or 4-dimm configurations. This is an extremely advanced overclock to try and stabilise (CR 1T) and won't work at all on most motherboards and DIMMs. There is no profile for Zen3, and even the Zen2 one has some questionable suggestions, e.g. reccomending VDDG CCD voltage >0.95V for 3600MHz configs. The SAFE profiles might work if you actually enter the right memory IC, the FAST ones are more likely to require a CMOS clear than work. 3. The included memory test is so bafflingly irresponsible I am convinced the intent is to corrupt users data The default memory test uses Memtest with 15% coverage. This is utterly and completely insufficient. Firstly memtest is out-dated and doesn't catch most memory errors, especially rare or intermittent ones. Secondly, 15% coverage is about 375% too little to be even semi-confident you can run a memory overclock. A suitable memory test will take in excess of 3 hours, and utilize many different types of memory operation to ensure all the timings are tested, not just the basic ones, and to give the dimms time to heat up (many ICs are temperature sensitive and will throw errors on stable timings when they get too hot). Additionally, there is no infinity fabric (FCLK) stability test. Not even a mention that users should test their FCLK. Until users try gaming or productivity tasks they will have no idea they are unstable, and might not even correctly work out the issue is their memory OC. The danger here is that even rare errors in memory or FCLK can cause cumulative problems such as data corruption, reboots, degradation of system components and potentially full-scale corruption of the OS. 4. No guidance on how to deal with failed memory settings is provided. Clearing CMOS is non-trivial, and beyond the technical understanding of many users who rely on a "calculator" to overclock. I would love to know how many CPUs/memory sticks/motherboards or entire PCs have been RMAed by users who tried DRAM calculator, bricked their PC, and freaked out. Even a warning pop-up when you open it would be sensible, but nothing of the sort exists anywhere in the program, and youtubers rarely cover it. Conclusion: Stop using DRAM calculator, stop reccomending DRAM calculator, and stop calling it a "calculator" - it's a crude lookup table at best. If you are sufficiently experienced to know how to recover from overclocking mistakes and know how to properly stress test your memory then it can serve as a somewhat useful reference for common timings, but most of the other settings reccomendations are useless. For anyone gaming at 1440p or higher - memory overclocking is a total waste of time. Even at 1080p your best case scenario as a beginner is to gain 5% more FPS in some titles (and only if you're CPU bottlenecked). If you are productivity-oriented - buy faster XMP memory or just leave it alone, it's not worth risking your workflow. If you still want to actually learn to overclock memory then start with this guide: github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md It's also quite outtdated, but it does at least cover the theory somewhat. I would make sure you read a number of different guides, and learn how your specific CPU performs for memory overclocking by reading around a lot before you venture into BIOS. Use multiple different memory tests (tm5 with Extreme1 config by Anta777, AND OCCT CPU test with large dataset/AVX2 for 1 hour, are considered the bare minimum to be deemed "stable"), stress your memory while alsop running GPU benchmarks to test infinity fabric, and don't dial in 20 settings at once, change them one by one and see if you're stable, so if you run into problems you'll know what setting caused it. source:RonLazer
Cool! It worked a miracle! I watched the video and followed your advice (everything except running Taifun as I knew the memory DRAM type I had already). Even to the point of using the FAST calculated settings, which I was REALLY skeptical would work. But it did! and perfectly too! I used the built-in Memory test part of the Benchmark tab in the DRAMCalculator though, ran it out to over twice through each block of memory (something like 3400% total) and it passed perfectly so I feel confident it's good. I'm very pleased: end result is I now have my FlareX 3200, CL14 memory at 3600, CL14, fast timings, FCLK 1800 on a 3700X processor, B450M Mortar. All without a ton of reboots and trials with crashes and CMOS resets. Very cool! thanks so much for that timely bit of how too!
Thanks a lot. Out of the box my Patriot viper steel series 3733mhz Cl17 only ran stable at 2133mhz. Its XMP profile was useless. After following this guide I managed to clock it at 3733mhz, Cl16 😍 Only the safe preset works for me. Fast preset boots but has unstable memory (fails memtest, exits apps). But I'm happy with that anyway.
I bought 3200mhz cl16 which is a optimum price/perf , enabled xmp and just changed the mhz to 3333 and Im done with it. Rest of the R5 3600 system is on auto. I just recently updated the bios, which made the CPU work much better - lower Mhz at iddle, higher boosts. These higher boosts made the CPU hotter, so I changed my CPU fan speed curves accordingly on my huge C shaped 2x fan noctua cooler accordingly. Its still silent. I operate between 40 degrees iddle, 70 degrees prolonged all core 100 usage. I updated the AMD chipset drivers as well. And thats it. I believe this way my system works at top performance. I get boosts exceeding the advertised 4.2ghz slightly.
@@fortunefed8719 My windows got corrupted once due to faulty RAM. I wasn't overclocking anything, I had bought a new 32Gb memory kit and one of the modules was faulty (corsair vengeance LPX 32Gb 3200Mhz). Just started BSODing randomly more and more freqently untill it crashed near instantly.
Using this Ryzen Calculator: www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20419956 Using preset in bios ( simply the Mhz selection ): www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20420076 RAM: Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz ( OC: 3400 ).
@@groovymotion5706 I haven't got Bitdefender, I have Avast instead but I disabled it and ran thaiphoon.exe as Admin and the mouse pointer spins for a couple of seconds as if it is loading, Then it stops and nothing else happens.
@@groovymotion5706 I found disabling UAC gets it partially working. I get the initial popup but when I click close, it closes and nothing else happens. It's no good for me but may be of use to someone else. I think that on my PC there is some program that it is not compatible with.
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For those wanting to see how tuned DDR4 memory performs with a 3rd gen Ryzen processor, you can find benchmark results here: th-cam.com/video/iH3qq_mSxTM/w-d-xo.html
Disclaimer: We take no responsibility for any damage you might do to your system when following this guide, tweak/overclock at your own risk. Also be careful with Thaiphoon Burner and only use it as shown in the video. You may have to disable anti-virus software before running it (it is not a virus) and it's recommended you close any monitoring software such as Corsair iCUE for example.
Could you do a RAM tweaking guide for Shintel too? I know it's less useful for my i5 8600k but it would be interesting.
I've used the Thaiphoon Burner and it doesn't give me any information, it says unknown on almost everything...
I've got 32GB of corsair vengeance rgb pro 3200 cl16
That is probably single rank micron e-die, but google for exact info. That is pretty popular ram stick.
I gave up on my ryzen 2600 year ago, team group delta rgb 3000mhz - xmp or if i set 1.35v and 3000mhz manualy - same. Kept passing mem test but crashing in games (idk how) when i put it to 2733mhz works fine.
If I buy 3200mhz RAM, aren't they already at 3200mhz?
[FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T CALCULATE XMP IN DRAM CALCULATOR] .Great tutorial but i was having a little trouble with the new 1.7.3 version and through looking through comments and other videos i found it. Thaiphoon burner > read > choose ram > report > scroll all the way down (bottom right)> show delays in nanoseconds > export > Complete HTML Report > DRAM calculator > Bottom Left Import XMP > choose file > done
Thank you very much.
Same issue, thanks!
You legend.
Thank you !
You da real MVP!
Pro Tip bomb with Memtest: only run tests 6 and 8. Those are the 2 tests that it will most likely fail on. If it passes test 6 and 8 then you can run the full test if you want, but it's almost not needed in most cases. This will save you a ton of time! Great video!
Instead of reading the XMP in Dram Calculator, I suggest to export the complete HTML Report with latency in nanoseconds from Thaiphoon Burner and import that to Dram Calculator, as the XMP reading is often not correct.
Good tip, thanks mate 👍
Good idea is to turn of software that is using Access to SPD like corsair link. When running Thaiphoon Burner
@@Hardwareunboxed Was about to say. That by clicking RXMP You are reading Preset V1 values for 93% quality B-die kit for better Binned B-Die kit. Version 2 is Preset for Lower quality B-Die kit. And to have Quality of Your's kit You need to click import XMP and get the HTML file from Thaiphoon Burner that You export in nanoseconds values as Full Report. Then You get to see what quality of modules Your's kit actualy have under Avanced tab. Generally thats best thing to do if You cant get Profile V1 to boot or pass Error Free.
now i know why nothing worked :D DRAM calc read my XMP wrongly, but.. i cannot import the report anyway :S tells me i havent selected "show delays in nanoseconds" but i cant see such option anywhere :/
@@mashirohakase After you read the profile in Thaiphoon Burner, klick on report and then scroll all the way down. There you can find "show delays in nanoseconds".
I did this about a month ago and the benefits are huge! Everything was running pretty smooth with the occasional stutter here and there before, but now after using the FAST settings that I calculated I am getting 0 stutters. Really pushed my ryzen 5 3600 + ddr4 3200 ram to the limit with perfect stability.
When I used to test RAM using MemTest86 I started the process just before going to bed at night. No down time that way. Thank you for another great video!
I started the test then he said should be 3 hours... and I got sad lol
Wow thank you dude! Just ordered a 3700x from PC Case Gear to arrive this week and I was literally just wondering how to go about this and this very timely vid pops up. Nice!
Eek. I’m sorry.
@@curt8806 What?
Do tell us how did it go for you if you tweak your RAM.
@@guillermoz5765 Sure. Hopefully it is arriving today some time though I don't think I will have the time to put it together this week, maybe...
@@MaTtRoSiTy You'll be happy with the CPU, i know i am :) Grats mate.
"I'll include links in the description"
>doesn't include the link
who are you quoting
@BlindBison you wouldn't know
@@abointedtoyblingofmats Who do you think, Santa? 🤷♂️🤣
i looked it up, found the software despite lack of links..
newest version of software doesnt have a purple button. "import xmp" button (grey) opens a file search box, i assume its expecting me to have a copy of the xmp profile from the ram module saved to my desktop or something?
@@Ghryst use this guide th-cam.com/video/5uWX-i8Afvw/w-d-xo.html
Hi, we need a ryzen 5k update :)
Its almost the same. Check gamer nexus video too.
Agree. With a benchmark at the end to show any gains...why there was no benchmark is beyond me
no we dont. zen 3 is impossible to get
@@EpicGamer440 I have the 5900x :D in my PC rn
@@FRSpartan And I have 5600x on the floor waiting to be installed in my nephew's first build as video cards are far harder to get.
Two quick notes that I don't think came up in the video, if you're on Hynix dies or having trouble launching Thaiphoon Burner:
1) If your DRAM uses Hynix dies, check the PART NUMBER in the DRAM COMPONENTS section. For example my Corsair Vengeance LPX has the DIE part number as H5AN8G8NAFR-TFC, it's that "AFR" part before the dash that denotes my dies as Hynix AFR dies. Looking at the Die Density/Count one won't tell you the die type on Hynix.
2) If you can't get Thaiphoon Burner to run, try turning you antivirus program off while running it. Avast kept me from starting Thaiphoon Burner, it just died silently without a window coming up at any point, but stopping the protection for 5 minutes allowed me to run the program successfully.
Just did this. Got my cheap 32gb Gskill 3600 kit from CAS 19 to CAS 16 - stable. Thanks so much for this video :) I had opened the calculator about 2 weeks ago, but didn't know how to find what type of die my memory used. This tutorial really helped.
Good video, I've been using those programs to overclock my RAM for about a year and I've gotten my 3200mhz ram to run stable at 3600mhz. Good tutorial, but I might mention if your motherboard doesn't have a cmos reset button you might want to have a jumper on hand, or at least a flat head screwdriver to clear the cmos because it's easy to lock it up with too aggressive of timings.
A couple of weeks ago I used a spoon to clear my cmos.
@@nathangamble125 Awesome.
Mines locked :( and cmos reset doesn't seem to work
@@silverwerewolf975 Well so basicly I think amazon might have sent me 2133 memory instead of 2666mhz, I saw it said it 2133 MHz but thought it was a small mistake, so I just went further as if I had 2666mhz meaning I overclocked it alot. I'm fully sure I bought 2666 so I will contact amazon later today. Also Im currently waiting for Cmos battery, I put it out 5 min ago. Are you sure I have to wait 1 hour?
@@killerbean5006 To wait for an hour is BS, you just disconnect the power cord from psu and remove the cmos battery for about 30 sec and you are god to go
Last time I was this early mainstream CPUs were still quad-cores.
So that would be before February/March 2017. :)
Obviously quadcore still is mainstream, not everybody has had the chance to upgrade. I did finally from an i5-750 to a 3700X, there were some problems with the first BIOS'es from Gigabyte including consistent game-crashes but those seem to have been solved with the latest BIOS.
they're not dead unless you need high performance ACC (unity) on your behalf :P
on the other hand.. saw a guy buying a 6600k (thats the 4/4 core ones) for a 180 bucks.. I'm sure they were desperate but thats the only thing I would've let them get away with
@@mazedmarky
Or the ACO's, Far Cry 5, BF1 multiplayer on a large map, or BF5, Shadow of the Tomb Raider...
More and more games require more than 4 cores. Tech Deals had someone Tweet at him that his 3900X got to 100% while playing ACO.
Other than that with a quadcore on which HT is disabled you will notice a much bigger deviation in frame-render-time. The quadcore-CPU is outdated, nobody should buy a quadcore-CPU any more if he wants to play videogames with it, that is a fact. I am not saying that you should throw away a quacore-CPU if you have one, keep using it as long as you don't get annoyed by the higher frame-rendertimes for the slower rendered frames. The point is that nobody should have been buying a quadcore-CPU since late 2016/early 2017 with gaming in mind other than when you would exclusively play some MoBa's and e-sport games.
That guy who recently paid $180 overspent severerly, possibly he did that to avoid a motherboard upgrade but I would take the motherboard upgrade and a 3600 any day over that. Then you even have the possibility to buy a 16C CPU of the next Ryzen-generation on the cheap 2-3 years from now.
@@peterjansen4826 What about 4c 8t please?
Steve, you should recommend TM5.. that mem checker thing for quick tests between OC attempts. It's a heck of a lot easier to test with this in Windows than wait 3 hours every time. This stuff usually comes down to 90% DRAM Calc, 10% fiddling with it manually, so it's a lot easier to see if it boots, then give it a quick test with TM5. If it won't pass TM5 than it's useless to wait 3 hours for memtest. Use memtest only if it passes TM5.
thank you so much.
i searched for teamgroup ram same as your's overclock info
there was no info anywhere
but after sometime my gpu died and NOW i find this.. but i'm still glad thanks
about to do a Ryzen 3600x build and the "timing" of your tutorial couldn't be better, fantastic!
Great video. The number of downloads of both programs will skyrocket starting today....
Been looking forward to a vid like this...I'm poop at overclocking ram...thanks dudes
One thing Steve didn't mention: DRAM Calculator doesn't really work for the majority of Micron E-Die kits, if you do use it and your system fails to boot or the mem test gives errors your first thing to try should be increasing tRCDRD by 2 or so, and if that doesn't work increase tRFC up to around 600-650 if it isn't already.
Typhoon actually won't tell me which Micron Die is being used.
The settings suggested by the tool yields no boot. Micron E-Die user here. I'll try what you suggested and update.
Larwood I’m getting intermittent errors with Hynix CJR on the safe preset as well. It seems stable for the most part but throws an error once or twice an hour. I’ve already tried the alt tRFC timing and increasing the dram voltage by 0.01v but the error frequency is the same so I think it’s one timing in particular. It’s a 3200-16 kit running at 3600-16 1.41v.
@@integraxnine745 Try starting with e.g. 2666 and working your way up step by step and see how this "training" goes.
Yep, won't boot for me.
You filled in, all the information I needed, to make sense in all the confusing information I already gathered and you did it, in a concise and clear manner. No other reviewer has ever impressed me that much and I know quite a few. Thank's a lot!
Micron E-Die is INSANE. Got my 3600MHz from CL18 Down to CL14 :O
And everything is stable
Do you know how to do this, because of these applications he showed in the video? I'm new to OC ram and trying to figure this all out !
@@Mr_SamuelAdam which memories do you have?
Man, I have Trident Z RGB 3600 C17 - DRAM Calculator just says not supported :(.
Silicone lottery my friend. My Micron E-die 3200 CL18 won't handle even CL16 but it WILL do 3600 at factory timings without issue. Strange. At least pushing to 3600 gets my true latency down to 10ns.
Yes right, micron e die is fantastic
I used the Ryzen DRAM calculator and it's an amazing piece of software. For memory OC noobs like me it's a very helpful tool. I OC'd my ram from 2400 to 3466! I Definitely feel the difference! Games are so smooth now.
Thats huge boost!
Hot damn.
@@nindajuka8427 Yup I really lucked out! Considering this is a Nanya A-die. It's a Kingston Hyperx Fury single sided 8 GB DDR4 2400. I initially had a hard time which die to choose in the calculator since Thaiphoon shows it's Nanya manufactured. A quick google search shows that Nanya is under Micron.
Good video overall. Here are more tips regarding memory overclocking:
If the DIMMs are picky and not liking the recommended timings, especially at faster memory speeds (more relevant to first and second gen Ryzen), then going to manual/debug instead of V1 is possible. You then enter the ns timings found after doing a read SPD in Thaiphoon Burner into the fields that were populated when you hit the R-XMP button. This is entering the values that the ram manufacturer has validated for XMP values, rather than the more general timings that 1usmus has found to work with the different memory types. It changes the timings slightly that are recommended and can help with pesky higher speeds OCs. In alternative, you can use V2 for lower quality memory DIMMs for the type of memory it is.
For testing, there are three in windows mem tests that can help test for stability: 1) Testmem5 V0.12, 2) HCI Memtest (now integrated into the DRAM calculator), and 3) Karhu memtest. I personally use number 1 and 2 to test for errors on my memory. I start with TM5, which is relatively fast for checking for errors. If that can pass, I then run HCI memtest overnight to check for errors.
Now, going into windows has the possibility that if the memory is throwing errors, it can corrupt system files. ALWAYS do a backup of your system before doing memory tuning. If Windows starts to act funny or corrupted, go to command prompt or powershell to run SFC /scannow for it to check for errors in system files and replace them. If you suspect the ram corrupted those files, obviously reset the ram to default before you do this, or the ram could further corrupt the system.
There are even more tips and tricks, but just wanted to give a little bit more information.
Also, sometimes what you set for voltages in the BIOS is not necessarily what is sent at times. This can be due to MB mfr compensation for LLC of components, etc. If having trouble with stability, you may want to open HWInfo in windows and check the voltage set versus what is delivered. For example, my Taichi X399 reads as 20mV higher for VDIMM voltage in HWInfo versus what is set in the BIOS. When trying to achieve faster speeds, especially on first gen Ryzen/Threadripper, having too much voltage may be the issue on Vsoc or VDIMM. So, unless you have a digital multimeter, HWInfo is a good way to do a sanity check and adjust your voltages up or down accordingly. I use two 2x8GB Trident Z 4133 19-21-21 kits from 2015/16 (bought them when I had my Skylake 6700K). So the timings and voltages recommended in the timing calculator did not work perfectly for me on my 1950X when getting 3466 and 3600 stable (I ran 3600 CL14-17-17 until a bios update no longer allowed that to run stable on my system, at which time I went to 3466 CL14 15 15). If I gave the SoC or the VDIMM too much voltage, it would increase my errors in memory testing rather than decreasing them (same with too little voltage). It was a balancing act.
Also, the creator of the DRAM calculator has a tuning guide on TechPowerUp which is worth a read for trying to fine tune the ram. When using faster speeds on ram overclocking, the calculator becomes more of a guide and you will need to fine tune your sticks for what they are capable of.
Either way, thank you for the video!!!
Edit: Also seconding BKMorpheus mentioning exporting the HTML report with Thaiphoon Burner then importing that. For awhile, the import was not available. Hence telling how to enter those values manually.
ajc9988 so its fine to follow this video guide or any recommended link guide in video since im not a pro and really dont understand about this. I buy trident 8x2 with 3200mhz but only get 2133mhz
@@haseofans haseofans I would say yes, generally. It will not help with certain cases where more fine tuning and experience in overclocking are needed. The links to the software, from a cursory look, seem to link to the proper pages for distribution of the software.
If you run into issues, there is the community page on overclock.net for the dram calc.
Holy crap it works! Thanks a lot! Never touched the timing cuz I don't know what to do and seriously my nose is bleeding when I look in the bios for that lol
Jean S Sullivan did you put the „T“ behind each timing youve chanched
This was the best most straight forward ram overclocking video I've ever seen. THANK YOU!
R-XMP= Read XMP was all I needed. Sadly, the latest version of the DRAM calculator requires the XMP values to be imported into it. So, After you read the SPD using Thaiphoon burner, you'll need to click the report button, scroll down and click "Show Delays in nano seconds", Save the complete report as HTML file, and then import it into the Ryzen Calculator. I'm only doing this because the default XMP profile for my RAM is unstable and gives me random crashes
BTW, thank you for making this video. It was helpful and reassuring that I won't damage my RAM or CPU by doing this.
Wow, Steve. Great moves, keep it up. Proud of you!
THIS IS ETHAN
@@Hardwareunboxed Just a ryzen fanboy :)
Instructions unclear, RAM sticks started flying on their own.
I was able to tweak my timings WAY down. It was quite the hassle.
@John Doe In the process yes. Not since. I still need to run memtest.
I went through this yesterday. One value per reboot for me. My memory wasn't quite as good as the calculator suggested. It only took me 2 CMOS resets.
Still impressive that I can get my rubbish hynix mfr dies (Corsair 3200 c16) up to 3333 c15. I can definitely feel the extra snappiness in the computer.
@@slysithejuicegy wouldnt it be smarter on ryzen to go 14cl 3200. Thats what i did with my hynix. As i know ryzen dont really like odd cl numbers
@@sbcbronzeadventures9158 where is it that Ryzen doesn't like odd numbers?
@@sbcbronzeadventures9158 I'm not sure, but I don't think that matters with gen 2 Ryzen. Being that I can match the infinity fabric with the ram speed.
Was trying for 3400 but wouldn't boot. Might try again with more voltage. Only using 1.38 for now.
2 years later and this guide is still amazing! got my ballistixs 3200mhz cl 16 ram to cl 14 and huge improvements to sub timings
9 months later than your comment but just curious, which model ballistix do you have?
I love this channel, especially these how-to guides and games performance optimization guides. Keep up the good work
Another top notch content, awesome work Steve, thanks for the effort
More than satisfactory. Thank you, Steve!
IMPORTANT: a wrong tRFC timing can make any OC you do on your RAM unstable! Because recent versions of the DRAM Calculator won't show tRFC 2 and 4, only tRFC and tRFC(Alt).
If your motherboard has tRFC 2 and 4, you have to set those timings using an older version of the DRAM Calculator (v1.41) that shows up those timings.
it doesn't work for 3rd gen
i found about and applied the rule: trfc2=trfc1/1.346 ; trfc4=trfc2/1.625
@@memedbengul4350
Nice! What those numbers mean?
@@williamtael8379 I have no idea, but I'm assuming some sort of mathematical computing/electronics relationship. They seem to work though. One extreme, and supposedly stable OC example I checked indeed has the same ratios. My present OC is using this rule (after applying DRAM Calc's trfc advice) and is stable. I don't know how precise the settings have to be though, haven't tried it myself.
@@memedbengul4350
I wonder if those numbers mean voltage...
Maybe. I don't know. Anyway, I'll test.
It remains to thank Steve (for the detailed video) and Yuri (for the DRAM Calculator). Recently I started assembling the system on Ryzen and would like to delve into memory overclocking, since I had no idea about this. Up to this day.
By the way, I live in the same city as the author of Ryzen DRAM Calculator and am very glad that my compatriot's program is used by computer enthusiasts around the world.
Yes, but tell your compatriot that most of the program instructions are still in his own language it appears! do english translations ;-)
What an amazing tutorial!!! It is both concise and informative. They simply don't get any better. Thanks!
worked like a charm! thank you so much! Now DDR4 3200 at CL14 ;) SWEEETTTTTTT
Was it 3000 at 14 before?
Thank you for this very helpful guide! I tweaked the RAM on my Ryzen 3 2200G rig and without a frequency increase (from 3600 MHz), I was able to increase my Fire Strike score from 2276 to 2922! Very nice jump and my games are running faster by 5-10%. Might give this a shot for a while then see if 3733 might be possible.
hello i also have a 2200g, i have 2x xpg d41 3000mhz one is samsung B-die and the another is samsung C-die both are Rank 1 and their latency are the same 16-18-18, dram for ryzen suggets 14-17-17 for the B-die but the C-die doesn't appear in dram for ryzen, do you think i could only set the first 5 main timmings parameters? or could i increase frecuency on the x.m.p profile to 3200mhz without touching timmings?
Holy shit you really did it - i salute!
omg are you serious? wow this is so great! do more of these kinds of tutorials. thanks so much
Thanks for this guide. While I have been overclocking CPU's and graphics cards for many years, overclocking memory and setting the timings has always been a bit of a mystery for me (too many settings to really wrap my head around). Thanks to this guide and the tools mentioned it seems like a far less daunting exercise than it has previously been.
This was the exact video I was looking for !!! Thank you so much I just OC'ed my RAM from CL16 to CL14!
Thank you very much for this guide, perfectly executed!
So... since this thread is perfect for that --- I wanted to share my early tuning results of the Threadripper 3960X and 128GB RAM done by me using Thaiphoon Burner and Ryzen DRAM Calc 1.6.0.2.
Hardware : CPU 3960X, Stock (for now), AIO Cooled (Liqtech 280, swapped liquid), 64GB kit of 4x16GB Ripjaws V 3200 CL14 (B-Die, DS), 2 x 32GB kits (2x16GB) of Crucial Ballistix 3000 (Hynix E, DS), Mobo: Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Extreme with F3b UEFI (AGESA 1.0.0.2). Crucial Ballistix is a secret tip for anyone not scared to OC the RAM. According to different utilities it can go up to 4150 with correctly upped voltage.
So... managed to get the TRX40 Platform stable with fully populated banks (8x DS 16GB RAM Modules) running at 3600 with CL of a mix between 16 and 18 :-)
i.ibb.co/jw7DQV3/3600.jpg
i.ibb.co/3FG1g3T/36002.jpg
For that - since the Calculator doesn't officially support TRX40 yet - used the Processor : 2970WX 2990WX, MoBo : X399, DIMM Modules 4, Freq 3600 + safe values (will tune this later even further).
This was my baseline... not all the values recommended were applied, but 100% of the values from the middle of the Main page (except tRFC2 tRFC4 - left on Auto). RAM 1.39 V
I just LOVE the new TR3xxx Platform !
Oh, and you might want to use TestMem5 with the custom profile v3 created by 1usmus himself for some serious mem-stability testing!
www.overclock.net/forum/27937684-post4314.html
I bought a pair of Patriot's Viper Steel 3000Mhz 8GB modules last week. I was struggling to make the system boot with the 3000Mhz CL16 factory D.O.C.P Profile, some times it would boot other it wouldn't but after watching this I could get 3000Mhz but with CL14 and it booted straight away, now I'm going to run some tests to see if it is stable or not.
I'm glad I found this video because otherwise I would still be running this kit with the normal 2400Mhz profile, thanks a lot.
Best guide I've seen yet. Thank you! I will do this ASAP.
Was just watching a XMP vs Overclock video and got the notification for this video.
Illuminati confirmed.
I got a mid video advertisment for the RAM he used. THAT'S illuminati af.
Holy shit, I was just thinking of learning how to oc my memory this morning. Are you readin my mind?
Mystery Notes yes
Thanks for this! I followed along on my Corsair LPX Vengeance 3200 CL16 to tune it with the FAST preset in the calculator and it was ok but I did have to increase voltage to 1.4 on my setup to pass memtest all the way. (R5 3600 + MSI Gaming Pro Carbon X470). At 1.37 memtest would get errors. 1.4 It passes. Also Memtest64 run in Windows would reboot the system after several minutes unless I set to 1.4v.
Charles Earl I have the same RAM kit. Is there a downside to running 1.4v. Wonder if I should just start there
@@beemrmem3 Honestly I ended up going back to Standard XPM Profile for 3200 MHz. Only because from time to time the odd game would crash (as they sometimes do) and I wanted to make sure it was not RAM (Probably was not). But it still bugged me from time to time. It was still fun to experiment tho! And 3200 MHz CAS16 is still pretty good anyway.
ER, what do I do if the Pc isnt booting anymore?
Finally, thanks to this video I managed to set up my Viper patriot rgb 4133 with samsung b-die chip at 3600 CL14, at the beginning it was complex, but then I had the idea of printing the video data and those obtained with the ryzen calculator, so as to compare them and get feedback.
Finally I feel satisfied, a very stable and more responsive system, happy to have written to the channel and to have put my like, it is one of the few, or rather, the only video done well on the whole TH-cam site!
I can only say, God bless you brother!
Thanks a lot, from now you have a new subscriber!
Success. Thanks for the tutorial.
@Hardware Unboxed I noticed you said 1.36 volt but you entered 1.37V. But thanks for the video!
I noticed this too. Later in the video he said that if you encounter any errors in the test to try and up the voltage a bit. The safe zone is up to 1.45v. I assume it's just for peace of mind. If the calculator says 1.36, 1.37 cant hurt.
the calculator said 1.365 recommended but you cant enter that so he rounded it up
I was so excited to try this as I finally got some free time. Imagine my woe though when I learned I had Hynix BJR, so it's impossible to use DRAM calculator for it.
What do u mean? Hynix rams wont work with this?? Bc i think i have hynix... 😕
T. N. There are different types of Hynix RAM. When you look at the make of the RAM, you will find out what kind it is. BJR is a version of Hynix, but DRAM calculator isn’t optimized for it.
@@AlfredEiji ok i jus checked mine, it says hynix cjr so im guessin im good lol.
How to know what b die you have?
@@AlfredEiji Hey I'm sort of lost here how do I check "make" of my RAM? I can only see that the manufacturer is Hynix ....Asking for a friend
Thanx. Just tweaked my ryzen 5600x with 4000Mhz (2000mhz fclk gave me sound issues) so i used these utils to go down to 1900/3800.. very nice!!!
Wow this worked really well, passed the test no worries with the recommended settings on fast. Literally did it in about 20 minutes while watching the video excluding the memtest at the end
Looks like you're the only one who actually has a B450 MAX board, still waiting on them to arrive
They landed in Australia early, I bought mine over a week ago.
They're out in the UK too. Maybe all of Europe
@@TheAssassin642 What stores? I've been checking scan uk, alternate and caseking
@@DrSpychology cclonline did have them, but it seems like everyone is out of stock. They'll have more at the end of the month.
www.cclonline.com/product/291233/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX/Motherboards/MSI-B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX-AMD-Socket-AM4-B450-Chipset-ATX-Motherboard/MBD2680/
Fuck, I was hoping to get it before then.
Got it half a week ago in Germany
Ive been playing around with my memory the last day and a bit on my new system, I have a stable (so far) 3600 cl14 profile, gonna test some higher settings now :D
I googled Yuri and came up with an old KGB guy called Yuri Bezmenov, the interview was really eye opening....
Absolutely S U B V E R S I V E
200%
_D E M O R A L I Z E D_
Glad you didn't do a picture search since Yuri is basically the genre name for Japanese lesbian hentai 😁😁😁
thanks, I have something interesting to watch today
If it's the one I'm thinking of it's just shitty propaganda video
Thank you for this! I've been researching this for the last month for my new Ryzen build, but I could find nothing recent!
I just ordered trident z rgb ram today for my first pc build. This vid is hella well timed for me because I'm brand new to overclocking
What perfect timing, I was literally just researching this and was a bit confused.
Perfect.......timing?????? I see what you did there.
mine is F die: Die Density / Count
4 Gb F-die (Z10B / 19 nm) / 1 die
there is no option for F die in the latest version of DRAM Calculator. What should I select?
This is what Yuri said while tuning his RAM "Empty your mind, and submit to my will. The less you know, the better off you will be. I am Yuri." 😎
Great guide! 3600 CL14 holy hell :D
I had problems with 16GB Ballistix Elite DDR4 3600 MHz on ryzen 3900x, xmp didnt work. So had to run it at 3500 mhz. This tutorial worked is running on 3600 mhz with 16-17-19-36-56 this are timings taken from cpu-z. i used safe on ddr4 calculator. So ye works better than advertised, Thx Hardware Unboxed you get my sub
Is there an updated dram calculator for 5000 series yet?
PSA: Please stop using the "DRAM calculator"
I know it's been pushed by a large number of popular TH-camrs as a zero-effort, beginner-friendly way to overclock memory but its really not, and we seem to get daily posts on here from people complaining about issues arising from it. Let me explain a few of its core problems:
1. Thaiphoon Burner is woefully inaccurate
The DRAM calculator relies on users identifying their own memory ICs, usually via Thaiphoon Burner. Problem is Thaiphoon is fairly rubbish -it's not a real memory IC detector, it just reads the SPD and matches it to a database of serial codes. The problem is that vendors like Corsair (seriously fuck Corsair, avoid buying their memory at all costs) will swap the memory ICs used in their high-speed kits from initial release, sometimes 2-3x, and Thaiphoon Burner will still read out the original IC.
This is a problem because normally it incorrectly detects memory as being Samsung B-die (the best memory overclocking IC by far) and in reality most of the kits are Samsung C-die, which is about as different as possible. B-die can handle 1.5V or more without issue, C-die begins to suffer at 1.35V and can straight up die at >1.4V. B-die can run much tighter timings, decreasing tRCDRD on C-die by even 1 tick can cause it to fail to POST. B-die can run up to 4000MHz without much tweaking, C-die is just about capable of 3600MHz in most cases, and often fails to even overclock past 3400MHz.
If your kit is less than $110 for 16gb - it's not B-die, and normally they will cost quite a bit more than this. Some common XMP configs that are 100% B-die are:
3200MHz / 14-14-14-34 / 1.35V
3600MHz / 16-16-16-36 / 1.35V
4400MHz / 19 -19-19-39 / 1.45V
Identifying the right memory IC is essential to choosing the right timings. If you don't know what your dimms are, you shouldn't be overclocking them.
2. The settings it recommends are absurd, outdated, or better handled by the motherboard on auto
There are so many settings that are ridiculous it's hard to know where to start, and impossible to cover everything:
Every memory IC in any configuration is recommended somewhere between 1.36-1.42V, despite the variation even in different bins of B-die being larger than this.
ProcODT values are often higher than is sensible, and the drive strengths seem to be picked at random.
tRFC values are often too low (which on many ICs/motherboards will require a CMOS clear), and there's no mention of the temperature sensitivity of this timing.
Spread Spectrum is recommended to be enabled, despite this being totally useless to actively detrimental.
Some of the "fast" configurations suggest turning off Gear Down Mode, even for dual-rank or 4-dimm configurations. This is an extremely advanced overclock to try and stabilise (CR 1T) and won't work at all on most motherboards and DIMMs.
There is no profile for Zen3, and even the Zen2 one has some questionable suggestions, e.g. reccomending VDDG CCD voltage >0.95V for 3600MHz configs.
The SAFE profiles might work if you actually enter the right memory IC, the FAST ones are more likely to require a CMOS clear than work.
3. The included memory test is so bafflingly irresponsible I am convinced the intent is to corrupt users data
The default memory test uses Memtest with 15% coverage. This is utterly and completely insufficient. Firstly memtest is out-dated and doesn't catch most memory errors, especially rare or intermittent ones. Secondly, 15% coverage is about 375% too little to be even semi-confident you can run a memory overclock. A suitable memory test will take in excess of 3 hours, and utilize many different types of memory operation to ensure all the timings are tested, not just the basic ones, and to give the dimms time to heat up (many ICs are temperature sensitive and will throw errors on stable timings when they get too hot).
Additionally, there is no infinity fabric (FCLK) stability test. Not even a mention that users should test their FCLK. Until users try gaming or productivity tasks they will have no idea they are unstable, and might not even correctly work out the issue is their memory OC.
The danger here is that even rare errors in memory or FCLK can cause cumulative problems such as data corruption, reboots, degradation of system components and potentially full-scale corruption of the OS.
4. No guidance on how to deal with failed memory settings is provided.
Clearing CMOS is non-trivial, and beyond the technical understanding of many users who rely on a "calculator" to overclock. I would love to know how many CPUs/memory sticks/motherboards or entire PCs have been RMAed by users who tried DRAM calculator, bricked their PC, and freaked out. Even a warning pop-up when you open it would be sensible, but nothing of the sort exists anywhere in the program, and youtubers rarely cover it.
Conclusion: Stop using DRAM calculator, stop reccomending DRAM calculator, and stop calling it a "calculator" - it's a crude lookup table at best. If you are sufficiently experienced to know how to recover from overclocking mistakes and know how to properly stress test your memory then it can serve as a somewhat useful reference for common timings, but most of the other settings reccomendations are useless.
For anyone gaming at 1440p or higher - memory overclocking is a total waste of time. Even at 1080p your best case scenario as a beginner is to gain 5% more FPS in some titles (and only if you're CPU bottlenecked). If you are productivity-oriented - buy faster XMP memory or just leave it alone, it's not worth risking your workflow. If you still want to actually learn to overclock memory then start with this guide: github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md
It's also quite outtdated, but it does at least cover the theory somewhat. I would make sure you read a number of different guides, and learn how your specific CPU performs for memory overclocking by reading around a lot before you venture into BIOS. Use multiple different memory tests (tm5 with Extreme1 config by Anta777, AND OCCT CPU test with large dataset/AVX2 for 1 hour, are considered the bare minimum to be deemed "stable"), stress your memory while alsop running GPU benchmarks to test infinity fabric, and don't dial in 20 settings at once, change them one by one and see if you're stable, so if you run into problems you'll know what setting caused it.
source:RonLazer
Just watching this made my system faster.
This video plus the comment section fixed my new setup. X570, ryzen 3600, and 32gb of corsair 3600 ram. Thanks
Wow. Great video. Saved for later. Putting together a Zen 2 build later this month and been thinking about dabbling in RAM timings for the first time.
There is no R-XMP on the newer version
same. no idea what to do... dram calculator is probably useless anyway
Ну, Юра, твой калькулятор наконец "доехал" до Стива.
We used it a year ago ;)
@@Hardwareunboxed that's why it is in quotes ;)
ОНИ ГОВОРЯТ НА НАШЕМ!
I dont see the R-XMP button
There no xmp in your ram,
www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/dram-calculator-for-ryzen-1-7-1-%E2%80%93-what-is-new,1.html
@@cellanjones28 thank you stranger
It could be called *DOCP*
@@Akanohifalse lol
Cool! It worked a miracle! I watched the video and followed your advice (everything except running Taifun as I knew the memory DRAM type I had already). Even to the point of using the FAST calculated settings, which I was REALLY skeptical would work. But it did! and perfectly too! I used the built-in Memory test part of the Benchmark tab in the DRAMCalculator though, ran it out to over twice through each block of memory (something like 3400% total) and it passed perfectly so I feel confident it's good.
I'm very pleased: end result is I now have my FlareX 3200, CL14 memory at 3600, CL14, fast timings, FCLK 1800 on a 3700X processor, B450M Mortar. All without a ton of reboots and trials with crashes and CMOS resets. Very cool! thanks so much for that timely bit of how too!
How did I miss this video first time around?! Awesome guide!
Prepare yourself for the flood of tech support questions of people unable to boot their PCs after trying this lmao
Yeah mine too.. no dp signal. Monitor not receiving the signal.
@@Rainyumz Reset your CMOS, look at manual on how to do it
@@Stalast. why can't i oc my ram?
@@Stalast. my 3200 mhz gskill trident z is running at around 2100 mhz wtf
@@Rainyumz That's the default speed of RAM before applying XMP. OMG if you don't know even the basics about RAM, you shouldn't bother with this guide.
You could do more teaching guides Steve, very easy to learn from this!
Good work!
I've never gotten this to work for my memory with any of the settings, so it's definitely not a guarantee.
Me either, so ijust gave up.
Great guide, looking forward to see your Zen3 memory testings
Was just looking for this yesterday. Thank for the effort and explanation!! Subbed. Excellent work.
Thank you so much. just saved my PC from my mediocre Overclocking skills!
@Billy Barter No, thats Justin Y
i need help, R-XMP doesn't show in the DRAM Calculator app.
help as plzz
NO B550 selection to be made in DRAM calulator
Also no R-XMP bottom in the latest version of DRAM calculator
Thanks a lot. Out of the box my Patriot viper steel series 3733mhz Cl17 only ran stable at 2133mhz. Its XMP profile was useless. After following this guide I managed to clock it at 3733mhz, Cl16 😍 Only the safe preset works for me. Fast preset boots but has unstable memory (fails memtest, exits apps). But I'm happy with that anyway.
Simple tutorial and explanation is understatement ! Giving you a sub mate
Is there any other way to read the SPD?
Thaiphoon isn't working at all.
Run it exempt from windows defender and run it in admin
My memory is C die . not listed in DRAM Calc ? how do i proceed
Yep mine is M-die, not listed either
just don't
Omsui Skies If you have Hynix C-die, like myself, then you need to select (Hynix CJR). And for those who have M-die need to select (Hynix MFR)
I have a C-Die. I feel like that will make my timings different but there are no options on the calculator for C-Die.
Hynix CJR
Hynix C-Die = Hynix CJR
@@rizkydzilarsyputra7996 Kingston HyperX C-Die.. So?
is this same?
I bought 3200mhz cl16 which is a optimum price/perf , enabled xmp and just changed the mhz to 3333 and Im done with it.
Rest of the R5 3600 system is on auto.
I just recently updated the bios, which made the CPU work much better - lower Mhz at iddle, higher boosts.
These higher boosts made the CPU hotter, so I changed my CPU fan speed curves accordingly on my huge C shaped 2x fan noctua cooler accordingly. Its still silent. I operate between 40 degrees iddle, 70 degrees prolonged all core 100 usage.
I updated the AMD chipset drivers as well.
And thats it.
I believe this way my system works at top performance. I get boosts exceeding the advertised 4.2ghz slightly.
Mobo?
Thank you, thank you, thank you mate!
Simple, to the point and ignores all extraneous information.
10/10 instructional video
Also has links for the programs used!
You know how rare that is!?!?
Get ready for "HELP MY PC WONT TURN ON ANYMORE"
Some pc can just reboot a few times and go to save mode themselves.
@digital sprite You can corrupt your entire windows install with unstable memory so it's not exactly risk free
@@fortunefed8719 My windows got corrupted once due to faulty RAM. I wasn't overclocking anything, I had bought a new 32Gb memory kit and one of the modules was faulty (corsair vengeance LPX 32Gb 3200Mhz). Just started BSODing randomly more and more freqently untill it crashed near instantly.
Just remove the cmos battery after full shut down 0 power and unplugged wait 15 min put it back in and try again
@@atnfn what was the bsod notif code for faulty ram?
R-XMP button is missing in latest version...
jep. Just do the prefered Typhoon-variant of getting the XMP data
download full report with nanoseconds from typhoon and import into calculator
Still waiting my 3900x.. :( Seems to be sold out in every single store
Microcenter in the US finally got some in stock, but you can only buy it in store, can't even order for online pick up.
Same here. There might be some arriving to Jimm's next week.
@@evatanen There should've been this week, luckily I've ordered from three different stores :D
Using this Ryzen Calculator: www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20419956
Using preset in bios ( simply the Mhz selection ): www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20420076
RAM: Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz ( OC: 3400 ).
Thank you so much for this video tutorial! I needed exactly this! :)
Hmm I cant get Thaiphoon burner to run even with my antivirus disabled.
Same issue here, run as admin and Bitdefender disabled! :(
@Yume Tried that, All I get is the spinning symbol on the mouse pointer for a couple of seconds and then nothing.
@@groovymotion5706 I haven't got Bitdefender, I have Avast instead but I disabled it and ran thaiphoon.exe as Admin and the mouse pointer spins for a couple of seconds as if it is loading, Then it stops and nothing else happens.
@@pds8475 No such lukc for me, nothing happens at all. I even put the Thaiphoon folder in the safe folders before disabling Bitdefender!
@@groovymotion5706 I found disabling UAC gets it partially working. I get the initial popup but when I click close, it closes and nothing else happens. It's no good for me but may be of use to someone else. I think that on my PC there is some program that it is not compatible with.
wow you can remember that much? some good memory there
G.skill trident z 3200mhz cl14 best bay
Is there an Intel version of this? I despise memory OC and end up turning on XMP.
FORKTAILEDD3VIL lol at least it’s an option for Intel. Whenever I try auto for AMD I get no boot. Lolz f amd
@@curt8806 If so, you're either doing it wrong, or your parts are faulty and you should be able to get them replaced.
@@nathangamble125 Neh I think it has to do with AMD architecture. Just not good for compatibility. I am going to stick to Intel from now on.
@@curt8806 lol
@@curt8806 This is a joke right. Some mothers have em
Very solid and detailed video! Liked and subscribed.